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Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This is back to your regularly scheduled programming, I would say, officially. It feels like longer because... It's been even longer since we actually recorded. Since we physically did. Yeah, we ran it back with that throwback episode. I hope you guys enjoyed it. I thought it was great sort of reviving it for the video pod. But now, well...

A whole bunch of stuff has happened since then we get to talk about it again. We have Spotify wrapped has come out, so everyone's talking about that. Also, the new Jaguar concept EV is revealed. We have our thoughts. How the Verge is changing.

And we're going to wrap it up with a game because we just can't get enough of games. So all that's happening. But first, Black Friday and Cyber Monday did happen in between the last recording and now. Did either of you, did anybody in this room buy anything? I actually did. Yeah, me too. I was... Okay. Well, okay. Okay, go, go, go. I don't like, you know, a lot of the time, yeah. It's not fun to contribute to capitalism. And on top of that, at this point...

Most Black Friday deals are total bullshit. Right. Yeah. the only thing that i posted on black friday was a reminder about the amazon price tracker just to keep an eye on so that's the one everyone keeps talking about there's one that i also found that had higher ratings and that seemed to have even more information And it's basically just, if something says 50% off,

You can just check a history and see if it was just 50% off a day ago before they raise it back to full price so they can raise it back down again to say it was 50% off. That sort of thing. But what did you get? So, unfortunately, I am once again going through through an existential crisis over two products, so I bought both of them. Nice. Sounds about right. I am buying, finally, a smart lock for my apartment. Currently, my apartment is weird.

Because New York apartments are weird. My apartment was built in the 1800s. And so I have this special lock called the Mortise lock. It doesn't work with most smart locks. Right. So they're all usually what you have to do with these is you basically have to get a special lock that just goes over the deadbolt like Turner and it physically turns the deadbolt for you as well as.

In New York City, you're not supposed to change the actual lock on the inside of your door. And so you don't even want to make it look like you have a smart lock on your door. Otherwise, your landlord will get really angry at you. I originally bought the SwitchBot Lock...

Pro. Is this going to get you in trouble talking about it on the podcast? You think that? Avid listener, David Slamlord. Listen to Waveform? Just checking. You never know. I really hope not. He's not brought it up, but he does live underneath me in my basement. Okay. So.

Yeah, so I bought the SwitchBot Lock Pro, and then unfortunately, because I had searched about SwitchBot Lock Pro, I heard about this new lock from this existing company that basically does the same thing, but it's way faster, and it runs over matter over thread. As a protocol guy, I wanted it more. It is like double the price, but yeah, the SwitchBot Lock Pro currently has to use a hub that has to plug into the wall. Kind of annoying. It's like a translator.

yeah oh okay yeah so i would rather just have something that works over matter so i bought both of them to sort of compare them um just to make sure it works because the the second one said it works on uk mortise locks but i don't know if that's the same as mine anyway that's what i bought they were both cheaper i did check the price

And it was like 30% cheaper than it usually is. A real discount. A real discount. Hooray for a real discount. Hooray. Nice. Yes. Andrew, you got something too? I bought three things. Oh. Sort of. Oh. flex on them one I only want to bring up because David and I had this conversation the other day and it's super related to his I was putting up Christmas decorations after Thanksgiving when it's legal and I bought some new

I've been using the smart outlets from May Ross, I think it is. They're super simple. They're cheap. So when I search for more to plug in some Christmas lights so they can all just come on and off when I want them to, so they can be on all the time for Lane because she loves them.

I had the option to pick two, one with matter and one without matter. And I picked the one without matter because it was cheaper. This is a mistake. Do you want to be future-proof or do you not want to be future-proof? I don't. see these cheap outlets as something I'm worrying as much about future-proofing. Although the ones I have have lasted a very long time. But if you have to buy new ones, you could have just bought the Matter ones. Yes.

Well, the difference between the smart outlet and the smart outlet with threads or matter support isn't as different as the lock where you have something in the wall versus nothing in the wall. Correct. So it's worth paying more to not have something in the wall, maybe.

But I don't know if you'd get anything out of a smart outlet with threads versus not. To me also, I almost only buy it to set schedules on them. So I'm never really interacting with it that much and turning it on and off. It is really cool to be like... hey G turn on Christmas and all my like Christmas lights come on in the tree and everything so I guess thread would do that a big benefit of matter over thread is that it

is much faster because it creates its own little local intranet and they all talk to each other. Christmas intranet? Yeah, because it doesn't have to go into the internet, ping a server, come back to you, and then say, turn on. It can just, like, send the signal directly to the device. Which is a nice benefit, but from experience, the Miros one for me takes like three quarters of a second to turn on. Yeah, but what if it could take one quarter of a second? That would be cool.

I don't know if I'd pay more for it. It'll be cool. It'll be cool. Yeah. Did either... Wait, hold on, hold on. That was one out of three. Get out of here. Okay, second one is not really related, but still kind of related. It wasn't a deal, but there's this... I'm going to talk about disc golf again. I'm sorry. There's a disc golf company where all the discs they make are recycled, and they did a week of recycling interesting things to make discs.

And they made one completely out of iPhone cases. So I bought it. Oh, that's very cool. And I think it's really cool. There was only a few for sale because they were doing it more for like a video test. But this is officially a disc from Trash Panda made out of... iPhone cases. Does it suffer from being made out of iPhone cases, or should they just start making all of them out of iPhone cases? No, it's probably not as good as some of the other discs, but it is pretty.

it is yeah which is cool it's got flex like this was my way to incorporate disc golf into our office vaguely related but yeah but the big thing that i bought was an ipad mini whoa wow the newest look at that the a17 ipad mini it was a hundred dollars off from costco yeah and i told myself if i could find any reasonable deal for the new ipad mini whether that was like same price but included a pencil or like

More than $20 off I would pull the trigger and I did it's been awesome. Can you tell the full story behind this iPad mini? I thought I ordered silver And the purple is so minuscule that I still kind of thought I had silver, but did think there was like a purple hue. You were like setting it up. And I was like, oh, you got the purple one. It's the truck that drives by that has purple inside. And you can just set it up.

vaguely this is the LaCroix purple yeah um color uh so you whisper purple in the factory but then yeah Adam was like no that's purple and I looked down and I ordered purple I guess I didn't realize it I mean that was the correct color it looks good

The purple is the best color. It's a good color. But yeah, I'm pumped. I've downloaded so many Google apps onto it, which kind of doesn't make sense. But part of the reason I got it is because like a bunch of my family has iPhones and FaceTiming them with Lane will just be a little easier to do this at home. plus it's really nice just like when I'm sitting on the couch looking at hockey scores or Reddit or

That's how they get you. Suddenly you're going to be using the Apple Sports app. All of you have. That hurts terrible. So I'm not using that. It's gotten better. Great selling point. It does work on the iPhone mini now. That is correct. It does in fact work on the iPhone.

mini everyone's told me i'm gonna switch to an iphone now and i've been like no this is kind of like the reason that will make it so i will never switch to an iphone because it's the couple little things that maybe in my house are a little i don't think this is nearly as much of a gateway device as the MacBook is, so personally. I just think Android tablets aren't.

Fantastic. Tablets are pointless. This is a mini. It's not even like I really care. Traveling and watching some Netflix and stuff on this will be great. And sitting on my couch. posting in hockey game day threads making fun of how bad the rangers are is gonna be way easier i called ipads the gateway drug to apple i think this is how they slowly get you and pull you in is this how they got you indeed oh

There's ways they can get you through the iPad. You said FaceTime was one of those things, and then maybe you're out, and this one's cellular or Wi-Fi? Wi-Fi. So it's Wi-Fi only, but what if you're on the go and wanted to FaceTime? I have never wanted to FaceTime on the go. I can very sternly say that. But you're going to start FaceTiming more. Do any of you guys FaceTime in the grocery store? I don't get that. Oh, no, no, no. I think it's...

A lot of the Zoomers will just FaceTime in public. I think a lot of the boomers also have seen that. Okay, I have this theory that boomers and Zoomers, neither of them know how to use technology or know how to do critical thinking. But only at DavidAmel.com. The Millennials. Your theory has two theories. Yes, they're all wrong.

Or us as millennials are the wrong ones. And everyone else who is wrong. It is one o'clock somewhere. So live, laugh, love. The generation that systematically gave way every ounce of their data knows how to use technology. Way to go. Great point. It was back with the company. Never friendly.

Google's motto is don't be evil. How was I supposed to know they were going to be evil? There's no way of knowing. Surprised their face got eaten by leopards by the person who voted for the party. I have two things to say. One, I almost did buy the 10-inch iPad.

because it was also on sale because the Air or the iPad? The cheapest. The iPad. The $420 one or whatever. Yeah. Because whenever I'm in the coffee shop, I often want to use three... like three screens and I can split arc in two but I always want a third one like if I'm I've been coding my website recently and I need a version of it that is on

the page that i can refresh the version of it that has like the code in it and then another window open for like researching stuff but then i was told by a friend You should just use the three finger swipe gesture on the Mac. Spaces, I literally have never used that before. Game changer. And I'm now realizing I should start using that. Spaces is great. Yeah. Yeah. Apple's going to get rid of that because it just realized.

it lost an iPad sale from it. It'll save you a lot of money on buying an iPad. I use spaces a lot. Yeah, and then my last thing to say, just really quickly, because I mentioned the SwitchBot Pro, the other lock I am... going to test is the Acara Smart Lock U200. So if you have experience with these locks, I would love to know which one that you like better. For renting.

I just think that's a very specific thing. These are bolts specifically made basically for renters. But for people who are going to replace the bolt. Hit them up on Blue Sky. Hit me up on Blue Sky. So you got the iPad, you got the disc, and you got, what was the first name? Non-Matter Smart Outlets. Exactly. Okay. Okay. You said nothing, right? I didn't actually buy anything. Did anybody over there on that side buy anything for Black Friday? I bought two things. One of them was...

New Joy-Cons because my Switch Joy-Con was broken. Evergreen? They were in knots. Everyone else is buying things. I need to do something. And then on top of that, I also got an iPhone. this season. Tis the season. For those that don't know, I've known Adam for a very long time and him and I used to cover phones at Android Authority and he would come with me sometimes and help me film.

And every single time we'd go to a briefing, he'd be like, I'm buying this phone. I'm like, Adam, you need to stop. I have a problem. I just flip phones into other phones. So that's what I did. What number phone is that this year? Three. That's it? Yeah.

i thought you were higher no i'm on three i think he had more last year maybe i'm also on three daily drivers this year that i bought with my own money and used yeah so that's i mean in total i've spent zero so i consider that a a plus you spent zero on this new iphone yeah oh That's huge. Not yet. I'm going to flip my Z Fold 6 which will cover the price. So what did you sell to get the Z Fold 6? The Z Fold 6 I had my mom's old iPhone and then my S24 Ultra. Oh.

Yeah. Which I also flipped. This feels like there is money being spent in there. There definitely is. Tech bro math. This is bro math. If anyone is doing the math and trying to figure out, I'll just say my three daily drivers that I spent money on. that wasn't a review unit that I used personally in between review units this year were the Pixel 8 Pro, which I got last year and used up to the beginning of this year, the Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, which I used for a very long time this year,

and then the pixel 9 pro xl which i've used since it came out from the s24 ultra those are the three phones that i bought with my own money that weren't review units now we have multiple of them in the office but those those are the ones i spent my money on so I did buy one thing. I just forgot about it. What did you buy? I bought a one-year update plan for a software package called Resolume Arena. Nice. Is that it? Do we use? No, we don't. We did use it.

uh, on the trivia extravaganza last week. Shout out to them then. Yeah. Cause the trivia extravaganza was incredible. Yeah. If you haven't watched that already, just watch the first three minutes. You're going to want to spoiler. Great. I won. Hey, that's a really big spoiler. Oh yeah, we got like the beginning of a new season this episode. We're starting from scratch. Zero, zero, zero across the board right now. Oh man. That's huge for me. That's huge for me. Okay. What else? Okay, so...

So that was great. Cyber Monday was a thing that happened. I got 800 emails during those days. One of those emails was that The Verge was announcing a new subscription service. We wrote service, but it's more of like a tier. Subscription tier. Yeah, that's a good way of paying. They're kind of like splitting it up now. Sort of. How do you break this down? Because they used to just have a free blog.

that everyone could read mostly as ad supported but they had a paid newsletter they have a couple newsletters yeah so what is happening now yeah so in prior years a few of their reporters had different newsletters based on different things so alex heath had a newsletter called command line which is sort of about social media companies has

has yes sure that was a paid newsletter paid newsletter yeah tom warren has one called notepad that's about microsoft and xbox and that kind of stuff um now they are doing something where they are introducing something called a dynamic paywall

So it's not a traditional paywall like the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times where you basically can't read anything. It's basically like you can read most articles, but certain articles will be behind the paywall. And then also... if they notice that you are using the website like a lot a lot they'll start asking you to pay there are still a few things that are going to be free forever so they're basically asking hardcore

people who use the site every day to chip in some money. Kind of like Wikipedia. Yeah, but Wikipedia doesn't force you to. Oh, they are going to force you to. Sort of. Yeah, after a certain amount of articles per month. If you're like a Verge Power user. So if they pick up that you're a heavy user, they will start restricting. Yeah. Because you've read a lot of free things. Yeah.

I think it's really important to put in here before we talk about how much they're charging and everything. The reason of this is the reason we've talked about a billion times on this podcast. is the more with AI and AI search stuff and like AI overviews that are pulling from content without pushing to the content to get them paid.

companies and websites like this are going to start losing money. So this is a way they're combating that by having subscriptions. I mean, it's not new to have a subscription on a website with journalists. That's everywhere right now. Yeah.

I'm sure a lot of us are subscribed to some sort of news organization or something at some point because it's getting so much harder for... journalists to be able to put in a lot of time for sure i mean that's definitely part of the reason another reason is that seo has just completely ruined the internet if you don't know what that is it's search engine optimization when you are writing an article if you want to appear in google

You have to use certain keywords. If you have noticed that a lot of the URL slugs that you look at on the website that you're on have just like random keywords in the slug. Extra words. It's because they have.

seo specialists that help articles rank on google those are always funny when you like copy and paste something and don't see the whole url and then like just your text message just has like 50 words yeah yep but the annoying thing about this is that it incentivizes writing about specific things

using specific keywords to like frame things in a specific way just so that Google says it's authoritative and whatever and it kind of like homogenizes the internet and that sucks. It also doesn't guarantee a good result when you get it. So like somebody who has all the perfect seotastics for titles and bylines and quick stuff like that and then you click into it and it's like

a gallery yeah and like garbage yeah like they're winning because google likes them more exactly but it's not necessarily bringing you the content you're actually yeah or information so if you subscribe yeah it also gives you access to full text rss feeds as well as a physical copy of their magazine about how SEO ruined the internet, which is very fun. Physical copy? Physical copy. Sure. Yeah. So for the people that want physical goods, that's really fun. Yeah.

Yeah, I think overall this is a very good value. I think that The Verge in general has done a really fantastic job over the years at making a website that people still go to because... Over the last 10 years or so, social media sites have just become aggregators of news and information. And it's not very common anymore to actually go to a physical website to read an article. And so...

I personally go to The Verge like every single day. I think that they said that they had a lot of, they had a lot of people that go to the website every day. I think it's like half a million unique users or something like that. Half a million, something like that. Yeah, so they've done a really good job evolving over the years already, and I think that this dynamic paywall is a very good in-between option, because if they completely paywalled the site...

they're stopping themselves from growing and just hoping that they get enough people that pay enough, but they're still limiting their reader base. Sorry, 55,000 every single day this year? Right. That is extremely different numbers. Those are... vastly different I mean I've been I've been in like deep in the forest where I didn't have data for multiple days this year so I'm not one of those people even though I consider myself like a superpower user of this website

I know you're reading The Verge on that 13-mile hike. Yeah. It is actually kind of one of my tics, though. Like if you're bored in the doctor's office or something, like the few things that you do on your phone. Verge it up. Refreshing The Verge is one of my things that I do. That's pretty funny. Yeah. We didn't mention the price. Yes. So 50 bucks a year. It's 50 bucks a year. We have some experience at that price point.

Very different things. Seven bucks a month though, $50 a year. Yeah. I'll probably pay it. I'll bite.

So this reminds me of panels. A lot of things remind me of panels, obviously, because I help run panels. But the two things that it reminds me most of are you're going to get a reaction when you make something paid that was previously free. Totally get that. And it's just about... whether or not you can justify the value to the people that actually care about that thing so for us it was like we have a small pocket of the internet that we see

likes art and will pay for art so here's the product we made for them and for them here is a probably much larger but a pocket of the internet that will see value in paid journalism and pay for it you will get reactions of people who are like a paywall

I'm not reading anymore. Like, that's going to be a thing. And I totally get that. But I do think they've sort of structured it in a way where they can appropriately find the people willing by what you were saying, that dynamic paywall. People who read a lot, people who are on the site a lot and sort of bring them to. the way to support them that helps them make more good stuff. I do really like this dynamic paywall idea because there's times where like...

I hit a Bloomberg because there's like one specific article that I really, and like paying for that at that point is like, I don't know if I'm going to come back here again anytime soon. So this is like. And The Verge is probably one that I would get hit with the dynamic paywall. So like I will most likely be paying for The Verge. It really, that's, it's like a behavior thing. Like if I read, like I don't, here's pure honesty. I don't read Bloomberg very much.

But when Mark Gurman tweets a link to the thing that he wrote on Bloomberg, I'm clicking in and reading Bloomberg that day. And if that thing is behind a paywall, my first thought is always, I could pay for this one article, but I don't think I'm going to read Bloomberg that much, so never mind. Now, I happen to have an Apple News subscription that unlocks it, so that's not a dilemma I face very often, but I feel like a lot of people leave that article at that moment.

and so the more things that you can have available for free they probably thought a lot about this the more people will trust and read the verge and become power users of the verge and that's going to be good for them so yeah the other thing that you mentioned which is like the seo

sort of shaping the actual content and the websites. I think about that a lot because YouTube is the same way. People try to figure out what the algorithm is rewarding and they... tailor their content around that and it kind of seems like no one is immune to that and I wonder if there are

YouTube channels that can just make whatever they think is best and ideally the algorithm serves it. And if there are similarly websites that don't think as much about SEO and just try to make the best stuff. But I don't know that that's... much of a thing anymore i think it's impossible to be completely immune from seo and algorithms um but they are at least trying to make it so it is less incentivized by having a monthly

revenue stream so that they don't have to think about that i mean i think everyone's the best practice in it is draw your line in the sand of like where will i take like what is maybe a best practice and where i'll incorporate that in but i'm not going to lose my initial morals of what we want to want to do here so that's probably the best way of doing it and this is gonna i mean this is gonna help them i do think they need like they probably need to do this because if

A bunch of the articles they write, if you are just asking a specific tech question, Google's probably going to AI summer it. Probably straight from The Verge. And they're going to lose that viewer every single time. Or write it and you'll break your device. So. Yeah, I mean, I think this is awesome. I'm interested to see how dynamic.

works i'm interested to see how many days until dynamic pricing hits me and then i will start paying for the verge another cool thing is if you were already subscribed to one of the newsletters those were 70 a year so the day before this dropped a lot of people got emails

that were like, we refunded you $20 from your newsletter subscription. They were like, wait, what's happening? And so they actually got money back and got more stuff. That's cool. Which is very cool for those people. Those are the power power users. Power power users, yes.

Yeah, I don't know. I think it's they've been changing really rapidly like every year as the Internet changes. And I'm I'm rooting for them. I hope that this works. So, yeah. All right. Well, hey, there's one more thing that just came out this week as we're recording this. Spotify wrapped is officially out.

And it was funny because every year everybody looks forward to Spotify rap and then it comes out and everyone goes, look at my thing. Look at how many minutes I listened. And it's all super fun. And I, every year I think I kind of want to know that about more than Spotify. I want to know that about. My YouTube watch history. I want to know that about my life.

I want to know all the stats. Don't you want to know all the stats? What grocery store do you go to the most? What if your car told you how many minutes you were driving? It probably could. Your car probably could. Definitely could. So I kind of thought about that.

YouTube Rewind, as it disappeared, had a perfect branding opportunity to bring it back. Show me how many channels I watched, which ones I watched the most, how many scrolls, how far did my finger travel on my phone to scroll through shorts this year?

It was like, you could have made it halfway to the moon. That would be awesome. And then I could flex how far I could scroll. It would be great. But they didn't do that. But what somebody mentioned that was really interesting is there is like no switching. off of youtube like someone said oh what is vimeo gonna do watched and then people use vimeo it's like no people just watch youtube no matter what but spotify i saw people say that they continued to use spotify because rapt is so good

And I think that's real. That's crazy. And they're like, I don't want to ruin my wrapped if I leave halfway through the year and start using something else. So it is, I found that interesting as well, that it's a competitive advantage for them. Apple Music does it now, right? Yeah. It's a very similar thing. I believe they do something extremely similar. even nearly as detailed.

as spotify spotify has so many features in wrapped especially this year they added a bunch of new stuff our podcast app pocketcasts kind of does a version they can't call it wrapped but they do something else that's kind of similar yeah i want that for everything basically yeah so

Yeah. YouTube would be perfect. We talk about this every single year. Yeah. But it would be so perfect. I don't know why they haven't brought it back. They literally could keep the YouTube Rewind branding, too. It's so... Neil. Come on. Come on, man. Neil. come on man i feel obligated to tell you for us specifically it wouldn't be as interesting as you think

Because this morning I downloaded all of my YouTube history and put it in. Someone made this app like just on the website. If you Google it, like YouTube Rewind, whatever you put in the JSON file. And it tells you what channels you watch the most, what videos you watch the most. And it's all things. that I was researching for work.

I would still look that up. It's really interesting. It's Marques, MKBHD, Waveform Podcast, iPhone, the studio. Sure. All the things while I'm looking for B-roll. As a creator, it gives you viewership wrapped. They give you like, here's...

Here's how many likes your videos got this year. Here's how many things. They'll tell you some stuff, which is kind of cool. But yeah, I want that for everything. Yeah. So they did add a lot of new features to Rapt this year. They really did. So we can go through some of them.

This year, they actually teamed up with Google. And if you remember Notebook LM, which launched a few months ago, that's basically where you can put some documents into this Gemini thing. And they have these AI... podcast hosts that basically talk about your files to you and like teach you things or whatever i don't know why youtube music didn't use this because that seems like it would have been a better collab but okay

And so now you can have these two podcast hosts basically just talk for five minutes about the music you listened to in your year. I did not do it. You listened to it? Yeah. It was pretty cringy, but here, I'll play something. I was going to say, wait, can we just play mine for a second because I didn't use it? Yeah, like it really gives the classic. Does it play music or it just talks? No, it just talks. Okay, so we won't get copyrighted.

I won't get copyright struck. Oh, something went wrong. Please try again later. Also, AI content cannot be copyrighted anyway. I'm in airplane mode, that's why. Oh, am I not still on the Wi-Fi though? No, I turn on airplane mode to... to not have it interfere with the mic okay wrapped your rap ai podcast okay let's unwrap this it's time for your 2024 spotify wrapped and we're your hosts

Visiting from Google's notebook LM. We are here to take you on a musical journey through your year. Yeah, your year in sound. And what a journey it has been. 37,116 minutes listening to music. Wow, that's like listening to your entire wrapped playlist nonstop for over six days. That is amazing. That puts you in the top 8% of Spotify listeners globally. You are dedicated.

Very dedicated. You must really love music. June 20th has been great. That is just like, holy. But it's so much worse than I thought it was going to be. It gets into personal things. It's like June 20th was your most listened day. 300 minutes.

Were you road tripping that day? And most people go back on their calendar like, wow, I was. And it's like you learn something about your music listening history. And it's kind of cool that it sounds like people talking about it. I thought that was terrible. I think people are going to be into it. Yeah. I don't think it felt.

Like a real conversation at all? I think it felt close enough that people would enjoy it because it sounds like it's a podcast about them. It's just good enough to be there. And they're not going to share it. They're not going to...

you know, post it anywhere, but they'll listen to it and be like, oh, yeah, that's cool. People like personalized things. Yeah. And, yeah. So they also... added this new playlist that you can listen to they have a music evolution playlist that basically brings you through your music tastes as the year progressed so you like your top songs per month and then they have like your overall top songs as well uh and then they release

some global stats which are not at all surprising and extremely boring that the most streamed artist was Taylor Swift and then The Weeknd and then Bad Bunny and then Drake and then Billie Eilish. Does The Weeknd still make...

Am I that bad? He released a new album. I haven't heard of him from The Weeknd in so long. Adam and I literally had the same conversation. Oh, did you? Okay, I thought you were making fun of me when you started laughing. I haven't heard of him since the Super Bowl. Because he was saying how good the album was, and I was like...

He has a new album? It's not new anymore. I have nothing against The Weeknd. I just haven't seen him since the Super Bowl. I just forget about the first half of the year at this point. It might have come out a while ago, and I just don't remember. Cue the gif of him looking through things, and it's Andrew looking through things.

for the weekend album. Also, the most stringed song was Espresso, which, by the way, there is a great Today Explained episode about how this was basically manufactured. Espresso. How it's the most played song? Yeah. Because it basically was autoplaying after anything you would play for a long period of time. And they were basically like, yeah, the music group paid to have that happen.

I think I've heard that song. You've definitely heard that song. We've played it in the office, I'm pretty sure. It's a great song. I've probably heard it. It's a good song. Most streamed album. is taylor swift's tortured poets department is the name of the album yeah it's pretty okay i'm not a swifty so this is news to me cool

And the top podcast was the Joe Rogan experience. I guess that would be fair for Spotify to declare that, wouldn't it? Yeah, but I did some research. I actually did some independent research into that. and I found out that they were fudging the numbers, and it's actually Waveform. Oh! Oh, because Waveform I've heard of. Yeah. Yeah.

right and if you haven't heard of it then it doesn't exist and they just had their big trivia extravaganza and they just did this like huge rerun that everyone was listening to obviously that checks out i will say a lot of people um tweeted at us and were like

The Spotify wrap thing is unfair because I watch the YouTube podcast every single week. Yeah, that's true. But it's not on my Spotify. Yeah, interesting. If you do listen on Spotify and haven't watched Spotify wrapped, I think there's a special little treat. If we're your number one. True. You don't even have to be the number one because you can go through all the little... But I saw that and I... So I don't listen to podcasts much on Spotify, but...

That was for artists? Is there a podcast one where you can search through all your podcast things? Good question. Yeah, there is. So there might not be. There is. And you have to be in the top X percent of that artist listeners, I believe. And then you might see something special. Well, I had Sugar Ray on there, so. So did I. Hold your millennials on peak.

We give you our data and we listen to Sugar A and it's a good time. All right, this is your opportunity. If you had a YouTube wrapped, what do you think would be in it? Whether it's a channel. Let's just do most watched channel for 2025. Single channel? Single channel that you think you watch the most of. 2025? 2024? Thank you. That's why we ain't running it. I'm going to go first. I feel bad about, but yeah, I think my most watched channel.

of 2024 is a channel called Ants Canada. I've heard of that, actually. Probably because you said it. Ants Canada is this guy...

who doesn't live in Canada, who has this giant rainforest vivarium that's almost self-sustaining. He has to add stuff every now and then. And the only reason it's my most watch channel is because he puts out... 40-minute video multiple times a week that I watch all of every single time this dude is like the master of Taking something I could not possibly care about which is bugs and making me just like

care so deeply about his bugs. Every one of his thumbnails is the exact same thumbnail. He's crazy. He is so algorithmically cranked to just be a retention maxing psychopath but a war broke out in my giant rainforest vivarium but if you want to watch some sick sick content there's a there's a crocodile in there

Wow. I know. It's a crazy Bavarian. Anyway. I found mine. Thank you, Ants Canada, for making my year. His video called My Fire Ants Are Planning an Escape has 46 million views. Dude. It is a 15-minute video. Dude, you gotta... Everyone should go watch Ants Canada. It's sick. What? The next most viewed video is I gave fire ants a chicken head and it's a dead chicken with fire ants eating it. Jesus. Cockroach giving birth while being devoured by fire ants. 15 million. Jesus.

Look, it's lit. It's lit. I don't know what to tell you guys. I think we should answer Canada. All right, who's next? Adam? Unhinged. I had one very recently that you put me onto. it was epic spaceman oh i just he already turned into your most watched that was like two weeks ago there's like 10 videos i've watched them all like twice yeah they're already i was just sitting in bed next next did you have a favorite one

I think my favorite one was, I forget which video it was, but the analogy he used was the solar system on your fingertips. It's like that is the scale compared to the... continental united states it was like it was crazy yeah scale of the universe videos are that's a genre that i definitely watch a lot of i would say that's a good one

um i think though mine actually i watched a lot of uh youtube golf this year there's just a lot of good stuff happening and the thing about youtube golf is there's a lot of collabs And there's a lot of really long videos because a round of golf takes a long time and they just watch, they just film the whole thing. So like Good Good Golf will do a match play event or something, a 2v2.

and it'll be an hour and a half video and i'll watch it and i'll be eating and i'll finish what i'm eating and i'll just watch the rest of it it's just two hours right there So I'd say, yeah, YouTube golf in general, one of those channels, whether it's Grant or GM golf or something like that, they were killing it this year. Yeah. Mine's also golf.

Disc golf. That's like all I watch on YouTube at this point. They're pretty long. They're a little more cut down, like 25 minutes maybe. I think the only reason... Badanza disc golf is probably the most because he just posted so much and like every single day I could basically watch some but yeah if you like disc golf you probably know who he is already though so it doesn't really matter yeah

How about you? I unfortunately just drown myself in political commentary in the evenings and don't really watch a lot of... Did something happen this year? Regular YouTube. Uh, no, no. Oh, okay. But, um, yeah, that's kind of it. I don't know. There's probably a few new channels that I've found this year. Yeah. I just went through my YouTube subscription tab and just like... Can you sort by recently subscribed? That I don't think you can do.

but you can go to the list of subscriptions, and I think it's in recency order. I might be wrong about that. I thought when you did it, it's most recent new video. Oh, no. Oh, yeah, it's new activity, not most recently subscribed. Gotcha. yeah some good stuff hey we we have talked a lot without taking a break we should take a quick break when we come back we have obviously a game to play and some other news to cover but this begins a new season

Of waveform trivia. Zero zero. Ayo. Welcome back. To another season. Of waveform trivia. You don't know which season. We really don't. A new season. We lost track so long ago. But we've got some piping hot questions. The first of which is, so we were talking about Cyber Monday. earlier we all love cyber monday what was the first year where the monday after thanksgiving was referred to as cyber monday and we're doing prices right rules

Oh. Closest without going over, over being later chronologically. Okay. 1855. 1855. Yeah. Who's president? It doesn't matter. Is that right? No, no. Minus one point for Marcus. We all have zero. Herbert Hoover. And we'll think about it. I love the idea of the... term Cyber Monday predating the invention of the computer. That would be awesome. That'd be sick. The internet came after. It refers to the mahogany wood of the cyber tree.

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that they came out with i actually think we had some pretty interesting nuanced thoughts about like what jaguar could be up to anyway they've announced and unveiled now a concept car to go with this new rebranding effort that they're going through and how do i say this it's gotten some reactions because it's very Unique looking. I think red flag immediately is announcing that we're first going to see a new car at Miami Art Week.

There was never going to be anything good coming out of announcing something at Art Week. I don't even know what Miami Art Week is, but there's so many different cars, shows, and events. Yes. However, most, if not all, luxury car brands have stopped exhibiting at those worldwide anyway. Like Aston... bentley like they all only exhibit new cars at like yacht shows now because they know that's where people who would spend the money on that like okay yeah

So it does fit into an industry practice. Also, I was going to say, can we start calling it the cyber jag? Yeah, it doesn't. Yeah. Should we describe this car for audio listeners? Yeah. So, OK, first of all, first of all, first of all, first of all, it's a concept car. This is not a real car.

that it has a price tag or any specs or anything like that. This is a concept car, so it's a design that Jaguar is unveiling to associate with their new rebranding image. That's number one. So this isn't a real car, but it's called the Type 00, and this concept has no door handles, no rearview mirrors.

all the classic not real car stuff however they could ship a car that looks similar to the silhouette which i would describe as a cyber loafer so let's get into it it's i think rocket league car rocket league car is good it's kind of a hot wheel Sort of. Big wheels, long hood, low sloping roof line, two doors. Extremely long front. Really, really, really long front. It looks like a Cybertruck and a Lincoln had a child.

yeah and it was pink and was pink yes there's so they've had this flagship pink version there's a couple other colors that they've shown in renders but the pink one is the one that we have footage of miles got some good footage of it uh for autofocus and it is a fully electric car that's the other thing so no tailpipes it'll have a battery down there and this is part of jaguar's huge again they're rebranding as a company but they're also sort of rebooting as a car company

And are just making EVs now? Or are they planned to? So here's what they said. They said type 00 is the name references both zero emissions and its position as the first in a new lineage. So are we assuming lineage is the complete?

Path or this is just a new tree branch that's falling off? TBD. So this is the first new thing in a while. And does that mean they are stopping making their other cars? Probably not. But I anticipate... they will make more electric stuff after this this is just the first one the flagship one the concept one yes started off the interior uh looks

Like a lot of those CES concepts. It is the most CES-ass thing I've ever seen. I don't think I see any... arm rests or door handles or pedals but there is a steering wheel and there is two seats and a bunch of modern materials and sleek lines and leds and screens the last time i saw an interior like this was a at ces it was like the bmw What was that like kind of small hatchback car we filmed? Oh, not the EQXX. No, it was like, I mean, probably like 2020 when we went or 2019.

And the interior looked like this and you sat in the back and I filmed you and you're like, okay, let's get the other side. And they're like, don't scoot across. The middle's a piece of cardboard. Yeah, it was. Yes. So there's this thing that a lot of car companies do where they will build on one hand a functional prototype of a car. And on the other hand, they will build a design.

finished version of the car and then they will sort of meet in the middle after some years of development so if they want to show people what the car will look like they will build a non-functioning but aesthetically accurate version of the car and they'll show that off at the car shows and fashion week or whatever and you can even open the door and sit in it but it doesn't drive and please don't sit in the middle and don't pull the steering wheel too hard because this thing is glued together

And then they have a functional prototype, which is, okay, we have the battery, we have the stuff, and it's just not, it doesn't look like the car it's supposed to look. That's kind of how this works. Wasn't there a Hummer EV we got way before production where they're like, this version... You have to park it in the shade because the steering wheel might melt or something. I think it was the glue that was holding on some of the...

Yeah. I've done videos about cars in various parts of the stage. I remember back in the Faraday Future days, I got to do one video with both. They showed me the driving prototype separately from the aesthetic prototype. i got to see okay now imagine if they were the same car that's kind of how it goes um this one is just yeah jaguar's aesthetic concept some people kind of like it i don't know if it has the strongest sentiment score right now but it's out there

It's different. It's definitely different. I think that's what they're going for. I think it's easy to go different in a concept car is like, let's get everyone talking about us. And now it's probably going to look way less pink. Yeah, or like standing out from a crowd. I don't know how to say, like purposely. It is a head turner. It's a head turner for sure. Like, what is that? And then when I turn my head back, I would be laughing. It's interesting because that's.

So I wonder about this. The Cybertruck kind of went through the same thing. Online was one reaction and in-person was a totally different reaction. And I'm reading all the online reactions and it's very... slanted in one direction, but I think if you drove this thing into a ShopRite parking lot right now, people would walk over and be like, ooh, what is this? This looks cool. Tell me about this. How much is it? I think this would get that. I don't know.

It's going to have to have a price tag eventually. They're going to have to sell a real car someday. Also, I have a theory about this whole thing. I think Jaguar, when they started to make their rebrand, this whole thing... they've been frustratingly not changing their target demographic for so long that i think that the mission behind this was

Do absolutely nothing the same as the previous cars. Not the font, not the size, not the shape, not the angle. Not a single thing can be the same as before. I think that was the mission. Because the old brand doesn't really tell young people anything. Young people have no perception of what the Jaguar brand meant to them at all. So because of that, they're like...

Well, young people know the name Jaguar. They know it's a car brand, but they don't have any association with what that means. So they're able to like leverage the existing brand. brand name but they can give it a completely new identity and not really ruin anything that's fair so

I'm trying to see if there's any other specs, because there was an event, and there was a CEO on stage, and I think they said something about 1,000 horsepower, so I just want to find it. Why is the hood so big for the vibes? Aesthetics. I don't know. There are cars drunk. That would be like a huge frunk. It'd be a coffin frunk. It'd be like a hot tub frunk. That would be sick. Okay, so there is a little bit of spec talk for this concept car. Okay.

The Grand Tourer will have a WLTP range of 478 miles. That seems like a lot and probably will not happen. That's because it's WLTP? It's WLTP, but it's also probably not going to happen. But hey, we will see. There's no word on the battery capacity required to achieve this. But a charging speed of 200 miles added in 15 minutes with the right charger.

is another one of the promises okay it will be at least 125 000 ish dollars which is about double the price of the average jaguar transaction but again this is all new um And is there a date? Okay, I'm looking for a date. I thought last time we read this, it said end of 2026. Okay. I remember the date we were saying was quite a ways out from... Yeah, Jaguar said it would end production of all internal combustion cars by early 2026. No. No. Sorry, no, no. This year. Oh, I don't remember. Dang.

Wait, sorry, I'm reading this too fast. The on-sale date of the new Jaguar has been delayed by a year, and having said it would end production of all internal combustion engine cars this year, they said it this year, but not by this year. Oh. that this car will come out sometime after that interesting that was a lot of ways of saying we have no idea this car is coming yeah yeah

Yeah, you know, it's a concept car, so I think I take all these things a little bit more lightly, but at least we have an aesthetic now. It's different. It is different. It's different. I will give it that. I don't think it looks horrible. They could finish rendering it. It might look sweet.

Yeah, it did two passes. This is some huge doors. It made about 8,000 more passes. It has like a Rolls Royce type of characteristic going on. I think it's like the Spectre. Remember the Spectre? Mm-hmm. I like that car. It has a little bit of that too. Yeah. I don't hate it. I'll say that. We shall see. Cool. In other car news people have been begging Tesla to make an Apple Watch version of their app for literally a zillion years. Serious question. Have they?

Yes. Okay. Yeah. Moving on. I have been. It makes sense. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, it very much makes sense. So last week, this is probably related. Actually, it's definitely related. Last week. Tesla pulled a Reddit and started charging a bunch of money for their API, which...

basically forced a bunch of third-party Tesla apps to shut down, of which I did not even know that there were third-party Tesla apps, but there apparently were, and they were very popular. There were a few. One of the most popular ones, the person that is developing it, stated it would cost them $1 million a year to keep running it so yeah they basically Sherlocked it because with this holiday update that they do every year they released an Apple Watch version of the app

You can have phone key access, which means you can walk up to it and it'll unlock, give you charge stats. You can pop the frunk, remotely warm the car. You can view dash cam and sentry mode recordings from your phone and save them quickly remotely. That's huge. I love that.

Huge. You can also now set an arrival energy, which lets you tell the car how much power you want to have when you arrive so that it dynamically changes how long you should charge at the superchargers, which is useful. I drove to Pennsylvania this weekend. And I got there.

extremely cold, extremely middle of the woods with 10% charge remaining on my car. And I was fairly nervous. Luckily, I was able to plug in my car to the house. Again, it still only added like 13%. But if I hadn't been able to do that, that would have been scary. So that would have been useful. And then there's some other improvements. So yeah, at least there's an Apple Watch out now. And those all sound great. It's funny that you say they pulled a Reddit because Reddit pulled a Twitter.

And we've just gone full circle at this point. Good point. Everything's copying X. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Mercedes also released an Apple Watch app this week. Which is nice. Seems like everyone's getting on it. Subaru 2? Well, they already had one, right? No, not for Apple Watch. Their phone app sucks. There's no way. And they don't have key...

Phone key entry that I know of. They don't. Not in the app. Not a lot of cars do. I don't think so. There's only a few that do. Like the Polestar did, which is nice. Just a few do it and it's convenient. The watch key, that's very convenient.

Yeah, you're just wearing a watch, you walk up to the car and stuff. Rivian should do that because they have that bracelet, which kind of wants to do the same thing, but I don't want to wear an extra bracelet. If it's just on my watch, it would be sweet if they did it for Garmin, also Rivian. coming from someone who doesn't own a Rivian. But a Garmin. If you're not driving your Rivian, how else will people know you of a Rivian if you're not wearing the special bracelet? That's true.

It's fair. You just have a Patagonia jacket on. A neck tattoo. Patagonia fleece. You exclaim, I'm from Colorado anywhere you go. I saw two Rivian R1Ts driven by people who did not know each other. like next to each other at a red light when I was in Detroit. How do you know they didn't know each other? Because they turned on to the red light from separate directions. And I was like... They might have known each other.

You can't know that. In Detroit? Those two people are listening right now and they're like, that was my brother. That would have to be like a coordinated meetup. That'd be sick. This was during Thanksgiving, right? Both live in the same town going to a different family member's house. No, because this was in downtown Detroit. No one lives there.

I don't know enough about Detroit to continue this story. I just want you to be wrong. Detroit is cold. Detroit is cold this time of year. And I think an all-wheel drive EV makes sense in Detroit. And it was cold and having four wheel drive electric torque grip helps. Boy, it helps. That's crazy. Well, yeah.

The other thing about being in Detroit, because last time I was there, I was close enough to GM's HQ that you would just see tons of random new GM vehicles and kind of wonder if these people all are testing them or if they work for GM driving company vehicles. It's just kind of a vibe where, like, they are all over the city. Something I noticed. I hope I never go back. Anyway. We're sorry, people in Detroit.

it was way outside of detroit it was really miserable to get there oh um yeah okay so yeah great they have the the apple watch apps for the for the cars you can get into your car shout out to the people with those new cars great cool you want to do trivia again Yeah, let's do it. Trivia time! That was way better. Trivia, dude. So... Jaguar isn't only the name of a car company. It's also the name of Cat. It's also a big cat, specifically. And the processor inside the PS4 Pro.

The Jaguar processor inside the PS4 Pro was made by what company? Get rekt. It'd be sick it was made by Jaguar. We're pivoting. It's really slow. Wow. Okay, yeah. I didn't know it was called Jaguar. Yeah, I didn't know that either. Well, I'll make a guess. And that'll be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. support for waveform comes from miro innovation is what makes a business grow

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All right, welcome back to our third and final segment. And video listeners, video listeners, video watchers have already noticed something's different. So audio listeners, let me just fill you in. Ellis is sitting where Andrew is sitting. Let's go. And Andrew is sitting where Ellis was sitting. I thought I was smart. So this must mean something's happening. Andrew, explain. Take it away. So we have a little game to play. This game is...

100 stolen from a podcast i was listening to the other day so shout out the grip lock podcast it's a disc golf podcast but i thought it was pretty fun and i thought it could be turned into a tech thing okay so

explaining this, it's a little complicated. I'll try my best. The goal of this game is you guys want to find the most expensive things sold on eBay in the category that we are going to give you. The way it works... is we're gonna have three rounds in each round you have a set number of keywords you're allowed to use so we're gonna do the first round you have three keywords the second round you have four keywords the fifth round you have five keywords

So what I'm going to do is I'm going to give you a category. You are going to give me three words in the first round to type into eBay. to try and find the most expensive item being sold on eBay. Okay, but we're not allowed to order our search results by... No, no, you guys aren't going to go on eBay at all. So what's going to happen is I'm going to give you the category.

you're going to tell me the three words to type in. I will type them in, and then I'll tell you to pick a number between 1 and 10, and I will pick that in the sold listing of eBay. Does that make sense? I think so. Isn't that just kind of chaotic? Wait, so we give you the keywords? Yeah.

So you're going to give us a category. Sure. So I'm going to give you an example here. Okay. Here's the other twist. Okay. Once a keyword's used, it cannot be used again by anybody. Okay. I think I'm starting to understand. I get to use military. Okay. Oh, no. So here's an example. Adam and I thought of if the category is computers and you have three keywords, someone might tell me to type in MacBook Pro M4.

So I'm going to type in MacBook Pro M4. I'm going to go to the sold things under that search, and then I'll say pick a number between 1 and 10. You pick 3. I pick the third listing, and I say... That sold for $500. Okay. So you have $500. Oh, it's just random. If Marques uses a keyword, I can't use that. None of you can use keywords. So no one at that point can use MacBook Pro or M4 for the rest of all of the rounds. I have one more.

annoying questions. Can a keyword be like a compound or does it have to be like literally a single word? Can you give me an example? No. Because then they'll steal it. Macbook is one word. For example, a keyword could be something that I would never use. You're thinking of claw grip? Yeah, claw grip. That's how it's generally...

You can't tell me like throwing all of them with no spaces counts as one word and you know eBay will fix it. That you cannot do. We'll do it. Okay, so we'll start. I think the first round will be a good introduction into it. You get one keyword for each round. but you're losing all of the keywords people have used. I get it. Okay. So the category for all three rounds is just phones. We're searching for phones being sold.

on ebay they have to be a singular phone it can't be a lot of phones so if for some reason the one you pick Like if you pick number three and it comes up and it's like 10 iPhones, I'll just pick the one after it. That's a singular iPhone. Does this make sense to everybody? I'm giving you three keywords. The first one's going to be three. Okay. Can I go first? Well...

You guys can decide who goes first. Yeah, is it just in order or do we use buzzers? We should have some sort of fair determination. I have a number written down on my computer right now. Okay. Whoever gets closest without going over goes first. Oh, without going over? Between zero and 20. Without going over. Yes. 16. 7. Ellis, what is your number? I'm looking into his soul. I know this man so well.

I know him so well that I know for a fact he picked the number four. The winner is Marquez. Damn. The number was 14. I knew it. You got the four right. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So it's Marques goes first. All right. Then Ellis, then David. So I want to max. I want the highest price phone. Yeah. Just real quick. Three keywords.

You're going first so you can say anything. We'll say the word phone can be used by anyone as many times as they want if you want that to be one of your keywords. Okay. Gold. Plated. New. That's it? And gold-plated, I assume, is two words? Okay, hold on. I'm gonna... It needs to bring up a phone. I'm not putting it in the category. And if it's not going to... Okay, so phone is... Oh, I see, I see. Gold-plated new phone.

That's four. Yeah, but didn't you say you could use phone as many times as you want? It counts as one of your words. Well, I would argue gold-plated is one keyword. That's what I was hoping. That's kind of what I was hoping. Gold-plated phone. Gold new phone.

how about just gold new phone gold new phone yeah now it's not going to be gold plated so i need to think what number to pick which one would be number gold because like the first one is just going to be a phone with like a cheap phone with like a gold case or something i want i want to pick like the give me the number four just put some dollar signs in there okay so dollar dollar uh-oh i'm going to give you Number five, because four isn't a phone. Number four is two angry bird plushies.

How? So does that count or does that not? No, I'm just going to give him, I'm always going to go one down if it's not inside of the category. I want this to still be tech related and still show tech things. So you have an Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max. Just in gold. It's not gold-plated, but still good. Sold for $690. Nice. Okay. They listed this at $1,600. iPhone 13 Pro Max. One terabyte. What was the price?

$699. That's pretty good. Guys, I hate to bring it to you. I secretly suspect that I'm about to be the Barry Bonds of this game. Okay. Putting up ridiculous numbers. Yesterday, Adam and I went over this. We went back and then you two were looking at stuff on eBay.

It's like, you have to search the sold function of it. And we're like talking about this. And Adam and I were just staring at each other. Did you know how to do it? Yeah. Okay. I've always done that. Yeah. All right. Will you let me use inbox? As one keyword. That's what I said yesterday. That was my example. It's two words. That's two words. Okay. Then I'm going to my first word is going to be mint. My second word is going to be original. And my third word is going to be mother.

iPhone. That was my exact example. That's pretty original iPhone. That's pretty insane. Number one. You could strike out with a number. Oh, no. I didn't like that look. I did not like that look. That was bad. iPhone 15 Pro Max original silicone case. No! $15. Wait, that's not a phone. Oh, is a phone in a case? It's not in a case. It's still tech-related. The other thing was an angry bird plushie. Okay, what was number two? I'm going all the way down to try and find a phone. Here we go. Okay.

You can buy an original iPhone 2G for $23. Good luck, Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds didn't always hit a home run. He whiffed a few, and then he cranks them out of the park. He's still got time. You know, one of the most famous people from my high school was the personal trainer for Barry Bonds. That's the easiest job in the world. So the analogy is that I'm about to be your personal trainer.

Wait, hold on. Let's real quick before you do that. I think the case should have counted because it's still phone related and in the phone category. I'm just being a... Well, no, no. So let's just go from now on if it's in within the phone category because you have to be specific about what you're searching for here. And vague doesn't always help. Can I just say pixel ninefold?

And you can. Number three. All of those, none of those words have been used yet. Pixel nine fold. Okay. And number three. David won. It's going to be used one with a broken screen. You got pretty unlucky here. Google Pixel Fold, 512 gigabytes, $173. You put ninefold? Well... Yeah, somebody put that in their tags. Just a Pixel Fold came up.

Right above that was $1,300. So that was a great choice. Unlucky guess. eBay's search engine is bad. I think that's part of the chaos of this game. That's part of how SEO results change the content. That's true. That's a good point. That's a direct example. Can you update with score? This hurt. First round. I'll take that point, though. I can't believe I wasted mint. It's not a point. It's all of these go together.

Oh, yeah. The most money spent at the end is the winner. So far, I almost got it. Because I just got $23. No, you got $15. So after the first round, in first... With $690 for his gold new phone is Marquez. $173.61 goes for the Pixel 9 fold, which is actually just a Pixel fold. It was $173? $173. That's a cheap pixel full. It was damaged. And in dead last for now is Ellis with $15.59 with the words Mint Original iPhone. I really thought I had it.

boys so now you cannot use any of those words moving forward okay i'll try to remember all right so for fourth category back do you want to go back to marquez or do you want to snake it and have david start on this one snake it i think snaking it's the more fair way Okay. David, start. You have four keywords for this round. Oh. And it's still phones. We're going to do phones the whole way through. Oh, still phones? Still phones. Okay. You have less words to say, but you have one more word to...

Enter into the search. Okay. And iPhone is used? Correct. Frick. Yeah, it's a lot of resale right there. I'm helping you with that one word. new apple wait new was already used oh okay damn refs wake up apple one terabyte 5G... That's it. Oh, you get four. Oh, but you can say phone as many times as you want. Phone. Wait, we get four now? Yeah, that's what it is. You get four now. Wake up, Ellis. That might work.

Wait, so this is how I'm typing it in, and I'll let you guys be the judge of this. Because I'm counting phone as a keyword. Right. So I have Apple, 1TB as a, okay, 5G phone. Yeah. Cool. I agree. I think that should be. Number two. Oh, no. No. Yeah? This is pretty good. Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max, one terabyte green, $635. Okay. Not bad. Well played. Could have been worse. There you go. Yeah. That was a great... You are...

You are guaranteed 500 up to like 800, but you are not striking out on that search. Good. So one TB is used. Yeah. And if you use 512, I'm not close. All right. All right. No, we're going to, we're going to, we got to pull out some big bucks here. So I'm going, I think there's one y'all are missing. So Huawei trifold. Oh, unlocked. That's exactly what I was talking about. And for my fourth word, I choose phone. Fun. Mate.

XT. Is the trifold a mate? Yeah, mate XT. Mate XT. I shouldn't have told you that. You can only pick mate or XT, I think. Oh, they're two words. Huawei trifold unlocked mate. Interesting order, but I don't think it matters. Yeah, send it, send it, send it. Order doesn't matter in SEO. It just kind of goes away. Oh, I got to give you a number now. You do. Yeah. This is a real lottery. 14. Three.

I like never pick one. I picked three in it. It shot me in the face last time. I don't like this lug. $5,599. Let's go. You got a cash register sound in there? That was good. That was really good. Thank you, thank you. Wow, unlocked. You were right, Marquez. I shouldn't have given you a name. When he hits. When he connects, that thing is, that's for real. Okay. Wow. Unlocked. Okay, I can't use new, I can't use...

$5,000? Okay. Here we go. Here we go. Has to be phones? Phone category. I think they're on eBay. I'm going to take a wild swing because I don't know if these are on eBay. Okay. Now, who had the moon? Everything's on your bag. Not Escobar. Can we even catch caviar? I haven't searched that deep into this, so maybe. Okay, I'm going to try. Dang. Caviar. iPhone. We can't do iPhone. Caviar verified. We used original already? Yeah. Yeah, you did. Caviar verified.

I think I have to say phone and 512 GB. Yeah. What number? What number? Number two. Okay. So it's not a Caviar phone, but you somehow hacked into still getting iPhones. So it's an Apple iPhone. Well, I think Caviar only made iPhones, right? I do think so. I think so. Apple iPhone 15 Pro 512 for $787. Okay. Not bad. Made a dent in Ellis' lead, but that's okay. Just out of curiosity, were any of those actual caviar? None of them are the actual caviar. They're all iPhones.

Yeah. No caviar. How else am I going to get five grand? So after round two, do you guys want to know your totals or just totals? Okay. So, so far Marquez has $1,477. Ellis has $5,614.59. David has $808.61. Ellis far in the lead. Respectable. One round remaining. Who will win? I wonder. So five. Five. Five. Five keywords. Okay. Phone still.

counts it still has to be if you want us to go over all the ones or we'll just tell you if it still has to be a phone yeah just tell me if we phone category I'll say you know we start with Ellis we start with Marquez again yes snake back just goes back Oh, so it has to be a phone. And I need to find a phone that's selling right now for $5,000 to take a lead over Ellis and have a buffer for when he gets something.

Well, it doesn't have to be selling right now because it's purchased listings. I don't know how sold works. I assumed it was more recently. Yeah, sold. Okay. And I kind of want to stretch the definition of a phone, but that might not work. Oh, no. Let's go industrial. Working. Industrial working. You're looking for the Dogo phone or Doogoo? Doogie? Doogie. No, those don't go for five grand. Those are not five grand. I'm looking for like the phone.

That like hooks up to the tractor. There's no way this costs $5,000 though. This isn't going to work. This is a failed strategy. I have an idea. I saw the spark in both of your eyes as Marquez started talking. Yeah. We're probably going to say the same thing. If we get a smartwatch, would that count? Or does it have to be like a phone? I think phone should be. It needs to make phone calls. Or be a phone accessory, we said, because of the cases before. Phone accessory?

The Garmin Lockheed Martin collab watch that pairs with the F-22 Raptor in the cockpit. Like that doesn't. I don't think so. We allowed front cases. I mean, like it should be like. No way. I don't know if it's the F-22 Raptor, but Garmin does. make smart watches that pair with fighter uh fighter jet cockpits but we're saying like if i if i hit the like garmin two thousand other smart watch that won't count because it doesn't make fun it seems like that's what yeah all right yeah let's try it

Okay. Yeah. Working Motorola briefcase. I was going to do a similar thing. I was going to do like original Alexander Cranbell. Working Motorola briefcase phone. What's the fifth word that's going to... Make sure it's... Expensive. Vintage. Why are you helping him? I can't say original. I can't say new inbox. I can't say... Classic. Inbox was not used.

Was it not? Because it was two words. It doesn't even come in a box. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's just go with pristine. Pristine. Good word. Okay, so before I click search... I tried to search this the other day and maybe my keywords weren't great, but I don't know what's going to come up here. I don't think anybody sold these on eBay. Okay, there's plenty of things that are in the category. You're fine. Give a number. Okay, five.

I didn't. A Moto G-powered, gently used, and partially working. 1338, baby. $13? $13. MotoG power. Oh, my gosh. What a backfire. Under that video I'm going to get for lunch is $14. There was a working vintage Motorola car phone under that, but it's still only $25. I am going to go with a very different tactic then, because I was originally going to go there too. We're going to try something crazy.

We're going to do official. Does a pay phone count as a phone? No, I'm keeping strat. Official. Signed. Rare. Phone. Authentic. Diamond. And I want you to choose. Before you look this up, I have signed some phones. Am I screwed? Two out of the top 10 are actually phones. So whichever one you get closest to, and I'll read some of the other ones. Andrew, just answer me this. Are either of the two phones worth more than $100? Yes.

Somebody signed a phone. Number six. Okay, you are closer to the more expensive one. An Apple iPhone XR. What? It says rare iOS 13 grade A. I don't know what that means. It's $154.99. Who is it signed by? It is not signed. The number one is a Joe Montana signed football. What is it? How much was that? $77. What? Flappy bird. Oh, no. You remember that? I have an idea. You just. Marquez, you cost me a game. I lost the radio. It's not going to be that. I don't think there.

Yeah, I don't think. You can download the APK off APK. They sold. Like at one point. That's true. If you can get something that's $5,000, secure the win. Okay, how about AT&T Emergency Response Industrial. Did we actually use that or he didn't wind up using it? Okay. And then flappy bird. That's too many words. Flappy bird is a proper noun, right? Just flappy. Bird.

Just bird. Just bird. No phone? You're sure? Oh, wait. Sorry. Phone. Bird phone. You got to pick one. Okay. AT&T Emergency Response Industrial Phone. Okay. Diamond. Alright, pick a number. Luxury. Four. Please. I'm going to give you... Please. I'm going to be very nice here and I'm going to go one above it. Okay. Because yours is an emergency phone print ad. was number four. So I'm gonna go for the 4G LTE cellular dialer phone elevator emergency communicator. Elevator? $159. Let's go!

Because under that was a phone that says 999 crossed out and says best offer accepted. So I don't even know what that means. Do they have any of the AT&T like briefcase emergency response satellite phones in there? It was satellite. Satellite. Oh, I should have said satellite. Satellite probably would have been a solid one. I should have said...

What's the thing that's in space that's orbiting Earth? The ISS. The moon. ISS. Oh. I should have said ISS communication device. If you'd said original Starship Enterprise communicator, would you have gotten credit? From TV show. It's not a phone, but it would have been really funny. So in first place was $5,769.58. Made XT. Ellis Rover. Let's go. From the desk.

Tahir came to win. Took it all. Coming up the rear with $1,490.38. Respectable is Marquez Brownlee. Let's go. And all the way in last is David. $968.56. David Emma! I like this game. I would play again. I want to say... Ellis getting the Mate XT over both of you guys was very surprising. I'm very surprised either of you didn't get that. I knew Ellis was going to go the autographed vintage route at some point, which I thought would be fun. Autographed by Barry Bonds.

Yeah, hopefully you liked it. I thought it was fun. We left it at just phone as the category, so in the future maybe we could do computers or something else. Can you try one more search for me? Just out of curiosity, can you search MKBHD signed phone? and see if anything comes up have you signed someone's phone before i've signed a lot of phones and i'm curious if someone ever listed it and sold it on ebay i just want to know so you can beat them up i just want to know

My theory is I'm taking value off your phone when I write on it. Wow. Here's one that would have won, though. What? What? Apple iPhone 16 Pro Max signed by Jaws. $15,000. And it sold for that? Yeah. How did that not come up when I... Yeah, when we did iPhone, we should have done signed. I think you did too many, like, authentic... But it was without iPhone. Yeah, it was. It was just... Ah, fair enough. Yeah. Damn. Johns? Really?

Hey, see, he adds value. None of us thought of that. Yeah, none of us. That's too bad. I bet Steve Jobs signed iPhone would be insane. I don't think that exists. It probably exists. Steve Jobs signed iPhone. There's probably at least one. I don't know if it was recently sold on eBay.

Yeah, but that would have to be like a first round pick with your keywords. There's an office poster signed by Steve Jobs that sold for $32,000. Would you have accepted that? We wouldn't have gotten points for that. You can't make a phone call. It's especially because it's a poster about the Macintosh. I feel like one day when we play this game, we should just have no category.

And Jesse, who can think of the most expensive things on eBay? Buick. No, just kidding. No, that was fun. I think we should bring that game back at some point. And maybe we should switch it up and go from Amazon to like... random like bestbuy.com just just to see it's like it's a fight of like do you go old new what is the listing going to be? Like how chaotic is the listing going to be with keywords? Um, so yeah, I thought it was fun. That was fun. Shout out to the disc golf pod as well. Well,

In order to switch back to regular trivia, I think we have to do a little shuffle. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. Should we do the magic? Definitely. What? Get out of my seat. Well, you have to clap then. Whoa! Oh, Jesus. Oh my goodness. That would, like, hurt. Like, normally they're easy, but, like, I don't know, that would really hurt going through there. Poor audio listeners. Audio listeners, they teleported by clapping.

It was great. In real life. You know what time it is. You know what it is! I think that's the number one song on Ellis is Spotify wrapped. It's the trivia song. Do you know the name of that song? No. Trivia Dude. I believe it's called... By Adam Molina. Would you like another pineapple? I... That is some truly royalty-free... You know who's really unaffected by SEO? Royalty-free music. Yeah, but they're very affected by AI. The name of the song doesn't matter. It's called...

Another pineapple, please, by theflyguy5. I love that. I agree. And no one will ever find it on Google. No, but... It's not royalty free, so you can't use it. You got to pay for it like we did. Like we do. Question number one. Can I steal one? Please. Please. Question number one, Price is Right rules. What was the first year that Cyber Monday was used as like a marketing term? And this question might be a little confusing because...

Cyber Monday was coined in the middle of the year to describe the year before. Like, oh, a lot of people bought stuff that day, so we're going to call that Cyber Monday. But then it was users of marketing term for the first time in the year that I'm looking for. And it's price is right rules. So if you guess a year later than the correct year, you are disqualified.

What year do we think it is? Who would like to go first? Actually, David should go first. Is it because I'm the most wrong? You're not the most wrong. Okay. I wrote 2006. That unfortunately is later than the year in question. All right. So I'm wrong. 2010? Yes. Wow. I was debating going 90s. I said 2002. That is not the right year, but within the acceptable parameters, the correct year is 2005. Ah.

Really? 2005? Why don't we ever do Delta? Internet mattered enough then? That was the first year that people... So people in early 2005... were looking back and were like, wow, people bought a lot of stuff online right after Thanksgiving. In 2004? Yeah, Thanksgiving 2004. And then throughout 2005, they were like, oh, I guess there's this sort of Black Friday online. We'll call it Cyber Monday. It started as like an industry term coined by one executive named Ellen Davis. From what company?

She was not an executive of a specific company. She was at one of those trade groups called the National Retail Federation. That sounds the most capitalist thing I've ever heard of in my life. National Retail. Next question. Jaguar isn't just the name of the car company. Are you going to do that every time? Yeah. It's also the processor inside the PS4 Pro, which was made by what company?

There's a PS4 Pro as well. There was. I had the PS4. That was my first ever console. Really? What? PS4 Pro. Ever? My first ever console. Yep. That's it. In the middle of college. Never had a GameCube or any of those other ones. I had a PS4. Wait, was that in the... apartment where you guys had like that little kind of half room between like the bedrooms and you had that giant curve TV. Flip him and read. What do you got? Oh, boy.

Let's go Marques first. We all wrote different ones. I wrote NVIDIA. NVIDIA? Yeah. Nope. Dang it. I wrote Intel. Intel? Mm-hmm. Nope. David? It's AMD. It's AMD! It's called an APU. Suckers. What does that mean? Something processing unit. Is it AMD processing unit? It's probably advanced processing unit or something. Or like all-in-one. I don't know. I should know this. I don't really know. I don't know this.

I'm officially carrying the one now. David's carrying the one now. And I'm where I should be. Behind everyone else so I can come back in the trivia extravaganza. It's an accelerated processing unit. Interesting. That's a beautiful, beautiful place to be with nice, even round numbers for trivia. Yeah. Wait, what? When has it not been round numbers? Also, these are not even numbers. Nice odd round numbers. Zero is a number. Zero is a number.

Is zero even number? Yeah, I guess. Zero is a concept. Zero is neither even. All numbers are concepts. Or both? I think it's even. Is it a number but not an integer? I'm not saying anything more because I'm an idiot. Zero is... Or is it an integer or a positive integer? It is an integer but not a positive integer. Zero is an even number. In other words... According to Gemini.

No, also according to B-Y-J-U apostrophe S dot com. What is that? I have no idea. There is also a Wikipedia page called Parody of Zero. Thanks for listening. Yeah. Thanks for watching. hey yeah thanks for watching thanks for listening this week thanks for joining us for a new season of trivia and uh yeah we'll we'll be back on our regularly scheduled well we are but we'll be back even more on our regularly scheduled programming next week see you then peace

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