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#8 - Perimenopause vs. Menopause: Key Differences and Hormonal Impacts

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Speaker 1

Step into a journey where every step is packed with purpose, insight, and empowerment. This is Walk with Wisdom with your host, Genevieve Wisdom. Walk with Wisdom is a dynamic podcast series designed for men and women forty and over who are ready to embrace their best years. Yet life at this stage isn't about slowing down, It's about leveling up. Each episode is a walkthrough guide to mastering life's transitions, rediscovering passions,

and thriving physically, mentally, and emotionally. We bring you expert advice, real life stories, and actionable strategies to help you strive confidently into a future of vitality and fulfillment. So now please welcome the host of Walk with Wisdom, Genevieve Wisdom.

Speaker 2

Hi everyone, I'm Genevieve Wisdom and welcome to Walk with Wisdom, a lifestyle show on youthful aging, which is looking great and feeling amazing as you age while persevering for those things that you may have thought of in your younger years. I love that so many of you have already been really faithful in following the show. We really appreciate it,

and we also thank you for your feedback. So follow us on YouTube, Facebook, LinkedIn wherever you're watching us live right now, and of course don't forget that we're on all the podcast platforms like Spotify, Apple Podcasts, give a thumbs up, and of course subscribe to both Brave TV. That way you can get the updates on our show. Now let's get right into it. This week's show is about you. It's about you because you have given us

so much feedback. Thank you again everyone who do the comments on the live and thank you to those of you who email after the fact, and thank you for those of you who listen after the fact and give a thumbs up. I compile all that information because as you get to know, like and trust me and my guests,

the feedback you give me is invaluable. So this show, we thought we would go deeper on some of the things that we introduced because you asked, and so we have the amazing seeing Bruce Pollock back with us today. He's going to be with me for the entire show.

Speaker 3

Hi, Bruce, Hey Genevieve, how are you doing today?

Speaker 4

Fantastic? Great to see you yet again.

Speaker 2

So Bruce, let me introduce to a show more in detail. While you're with me so we've gotten a lot of feedback from the guests and they really love.

Speaker 4

The intros that we've given them.

Speaker 2

But as you know, everything that we've done can be complicated from the hormonal cascade, which I think is one of your You do it better than anyone else.

Speaker 4

Everyone.

Speaker 2

Bruce talks about hormones, hormonal cascade which we go through through menopause and menopause better than anyone else.

Speaker 4

And so a lot.

Speaker 2

Of the listeners' viewers asked for you to come back and go deeper. I asked you, and you said absolutely, Genevieve, So thank you for that. Just to reintroduce you a bit, just so everyone remembers who you are. So Bruce, well, I'll tell them a little bit more. I'll go deeper on our relationship. I've known Bruce for almost two decades. Bruce, can you imagine time flies when you're getting younger?

Speaker 5

Right?

Speaker 4

Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2

So I've known Bruce for almost two decades. He's a homeopath, businessman and he has many decades of coaching and counseling people on integrative health protocols. So he's a nutraceutical expert and not unlike myself, we know how to help to put those together if you have a referral with on the pharmaceutical side, et cetera.

Speaker 4

So it's all about integration.

Speaker 2

And why I love Bruce more than anything else is I have seen people come to you, Bruce when they've gone everywhere else and you've taken what they have taken the complicated, made it simple and they get a change on their symptoms. So thank you for being here and thank you for helping us walk with wisdom through menopause and menopause.

Speaker 4

So today we are going to focus.

Speaker 2

Primarily on your hormonal health cascade. Now, Bruce, I have a question on that. Is that mainly for girls?

Speaker 3

No, absolutely, it works the same way for men. You have to deal with it differently, but you have the same problems when you start getting stressed. It's still high cholesterol or cortisol. Sorry, high cortisol still causes leaky gut. But as we go through this, I'll say just a few things for men as opposed to women.

Speaker 2

Fantastic. So what we're going to do everyone is just jump right into it.

Speaker 4

Bruce. I will let you start and let us know how.

Speaker 2

You want to lead us today on the hormonal cascade in menopause.

Speaker 3

Menopause absolutely well. I brought some slides and we also start with slide one. Now, for those of you who are watching this on their phone, slide one is not going to show up that big, so I'll go into a little detail and talk about it the next slide. Please, there we go. So what you're seeing is is just the normal healthy hormonal cascade. Hormones all start with cholesterol.

They convert to pernang alone, then they convert to DHAA, which separates into testosterone and estrogen, and that's down the right hand side of the picture. On the left hand side you see progesterone and then another line going down to all destroone. This is a perfectly healthy, natural hormonal cascade system right now. The next slide, if you could switch slides this slide. Now you're seeing the red and you're seeing the perlang alone going to progesterone and then

down to cortisol. So this is when we start getting stressed out, our cortisol levels go up. And if you think about this, this is a survive instinct for us, because this would be the sabertooth tiger jumps out of the woods and you have to be able to take off and run. Why it's tracking you. So you need that corrizoon to just have the energy to keep running. So you've hit fight flight mode here. You need to either run or fight. So this is a situation, but

this is right now we're looking at serve. An acute situation could be you're going into exams high school to university, exams your university. You're going to exams. You're starting to get a little anxiety, you're starting to get a little sleeplessness. But it's not true cortisol. It's not true adrenal issues. Yet, you've just got high cortisol. So the next slide, if we go to the next slide, the next slide, now we're starting to get into more of a chronic situation

and you'll see that down below the cortisol. Now we have insulin resistance and from that we have weight gain. Because you will see why do I gain weight when I have high when I'm under stress, Well, your body goes insulin resistant. Also, the high cortisol causes leaky gut on the left hand side. On the far left hand side, the aldestrone stops being fed because everything is going to

the cortisol. Because remember fight flight, So the aldesterone's not being fed, and this controls the sodium potassium balance in your in your body through the kidneys, so you fill up with sodium. Now, again, if you're running for your life, this is a good thing because you've got those minerals there you can sweat out and keep healthy and keep going. But in our situation, we don't sweat them out and we get put on water weights. We gain we gain

water weight from there. So now if we go to the next slide, The next slide starts talking about the effects of the high cortisol on the leaky gut. But before we go there, your your progesterone is converting to cortisol to keep you alive because your body didn't have eyes. Again, I think you're running for the saber tooth tiger, So you're lower pgesterone at this point. And pgesterone is a calming hormone for your brain to help you sleep and to not send fight flight messages to your drenals. So

without it, you're not sleeping very well. Plus you're sending these fight flight messages because you're not very calm at this point. And some of the side effects of high cortisol is anxiety and waking up in the middle of the night or several times in the middle of the night. Often people say, I wake up every morning at four o'clock. Well, if you wake up every morning at four o'clock and you have anxiety, the odds are you have high cortisol.

So from there, we'll just sort of talk about a few things here that we didn't really get into detail with the last time we talked about this.

Speaker 2

Absolutely, and Bruce, let me just jump in one moment here, and I know I'm getting comments, and primarily the ladies. A lot of us wake up in the middle of the night, and I know that I have it and you have had that when I say have it have ladies? And do you see that with the guys. Do the guys have that same kind of cascade when the court is all is high at night so they're waking up early. Do the guys have it as much as the women, especially over forty.

Speaker 3

Absolutely not. Men. Because we compartmentalize the way we think, as opposed to attach every experience to emotion to an emotion, we can close the box of a lot easier than the ladies can. So we tend not to be effected that way. Although after saying that, I've been in a few situations where I've been so stressed. I have been waking up at night, I have had the anxiety. So it can happen, but not at the same level that will happen to a woman. Oh yes, it didn't happen,

but you don't have with a man. You don't have to wait to get there before you start feeding the madrinal stuff.

Speaker 2

Absolutely, and everyone, we are going to talk about some of the things that you can do for that, but right now we're just having a conversation. Bruce's slides are phenomenal with a cascade. I just thought I jump in on something that I know is always always a thing, and it is with me. That's why the show is called Walk with Wisdom. You're walking with me through this journey. But you know what, we're gonna get better at the end. And we have many protocols that we've put together. We've

narrowed it down that will get results. So thank you Bruce for explaining the court is all and really the differences between men and women. Now, I have one of the questions, a question actually that came up with one of our valued viewers is, so, why does it seem to get worse forty and over?

Speaker 4

And so I would love to hear your take on that.

Speaker 2

And when I say, why does it seem to get at worse the entire hormonal cascade, but specifically the cortisol.

Speaker 4

Can you speak to that.

Speaker 2

Why it's not following the healthy hormonal chart that you started out with. Why does it break down over time?

Speaker 3

Well, there's a number of reasons. One is we tend to get more stressed as we get older. We have the kids, we have, the job, we have, God forbid, the divorce, all these things. All these things build up over time, and we start getting stressed in our twenties by the time we're fifties. If we don't, if we're not, if we're not handling it every single day, none of

us honestly really have time to. Now you've got thirty years worth of stress that's been building up in your body, and your body is starting to reflect that more and more with the high cortisol and the and the adrenals and that sort of thing. So that's the easy answer. The other answer is inflammation, because inflammation gets worse because our digestion track tends to get worse, and that kind of leaves me where I was going to go next actually is into the digestion track.

Speaker 4

Perfect.

Speaker 3

So we tend to think about the gut as the acid bath. Let's not. Let's think of the gut from the mouth down to the anus. Everything included is the gut. And when we're talking about leaky gut, which is where we're going next, we'll be talking mostly about the small intestine, which is very long but very narrow. That's the small intestine. We're gonna be talking about good floro and good bacteria, and how the gut is eighty percent of our immune system and that sort of thing. So follow along and

hopefully I can make this clear. So we have about six pounds of bacteria in our digestion track, and this bacteria, if it's good, we have a healthy gut. If it's poor, we have a poor gut. We don't have a healthy gut. Our gut is eighty percent of our immune system. And what happens is when something comes into a virus or that kind of thing, a pathogen, the good bacteria builds a wall between it and the wall of the gut, so it stops it from going through. If it can't

kill it outright, it stops it from going through. So we need this good bacteria. The good bacteria also eats fiber. You've heard about y'all know about fiber. But it eats fiber, creates shorttain fatty acids, which creates the mucosal immune system, which is a layer that stops that stops everything from going through again to the bloodstream. So we have all this activity going on. Hopefully we have enough good bacteria

to keep this going. And I repeat myself, I'm sorry, but eighty percent for our immune system is this good bacteria. So it's very very important. Now we go back to cortisol and we make the connection. If you have high cortisol, it causes leaky gout, and there's several ways that does this. Cortisol affects the short chain fatty acids, which I mentioned before, which means your mucle your mucosal immune system gets dropped, and so you're not you're not making that mucus anymore

to keep the bad bacteria ways as you should be. Secondly, cortisol creates more zonulins, and zonulins is a cool name. I feel like I'm on star trek whenever say is onuline, but anyway, zio control the tight junction, which could be a star trek thing as well. They control the tight estions between the cell walls of our gut because our gut has to open up to permit the nutrients go

through their bloodstream. But if it opens up too much, now you're letting all the bad things in your gut in and so high quotosol creates more zonuline, so it's opening up way too much, letting way too much into your bloodstream. The third way is because your body is in flight flight motion, in flight fight. This the red line going for progesterone to cortisol. Your body thinks you're being taste by that saber tooth tiger. It's not worried about your digestion. It's not putting any energy at all

into digesting the food you're eating. So you're getting undigested and I don't mean again sandwiches. You're getting molecules unbroken down food going into your lower digestion track or your small intestine, which causes hyperinflammation, which causes leaky gut. So the three these three reasons the cortisol. Now you have bad digestion, you have leaky gut, which leads us into

what happens when you have leaky gut. Now you have all these things in your gut going to your bloodstream that aren't supposed to be there, and this causes inflammation. And this food, this food, this undigested food, these pathogens. Some of them the pathogens can cross the blood brain barrier, which cause you inflame brain. This slows your brain down. You ever woke up and you just say, wow, I

just feel dull today. Inflamed brain, and the microgelia in the brain start trimming the brain off, thinking it's it's unhealthy, when in fact it's just inflamed and not not functioning correctly. So you have your brain one moment.

Speaker 2

One moment, Bruce, I had to jump in because I had a couple of comments about brain and brain fog. Now everyone, Bruce can't see the comments, but I can, so when I jump in, Bruce is gracious enough to let me jump in because I can make a comment and it's more meaningful because we're doing it in real time. So brain fog seems to be a thing that's very, very common. And so when you mentioned about leaky gut, and things that we don't want crossing.

Speaker 4

The blood brain barrier. Now we're getting brain.

Speaker 2

Fog, and so we're going to talk about away everyone because people are wondering what do we do.

Speaker 4

We're going to talk about that later.

Speaker 2

Bruce is just really showing the cascade of how it goes from hormone to got to brain fog to sleeplessness. He's really going deeper in tying that all in together. And this is actually a really good time for me just to have to wrap up the slide for you, Bruce, because we are going to take a short break coming up. And then when you come back, where were you going next with this between the leaky god and the brain fog, etc.

Speaker 4

Bruce?

Speaker 2

Inflammation, inflammation, Oh my goodness. Okay, everyone, please make a comment and don't forget to email Wisdom at walkwith Wisdom dot ca. Wisdom at walkwi Wisdom dot ca. Dan will put it up under my picture. Bruce and I. The emails just go to one place to make it easier for you, because that way, if you have any questions specific to.

Speaker 4

You, because remember we're all a little bit different.

Speaker 2

Bruce and I are absolutely happy and willing to have a complimentary consultation to talk to you about it. So inflammation, We're going to take a short break. We'll be right back.

Speaker 5

Thinking the bone bob yet?

Speaker 4

Can the thing?

Speaker 5

Think of the bone bob.

Speaker 2

Yet?

Speaker 4

Can the thing? Hi?

Speaker 2

Everyone, I'm Genevieve Wisdom and welcome back to Walk with Wisdom. This is a lifestyle show on youthful aging, and today we have the great mister Bruce Pollock who is breaking down hormones for us, breaking down the stages of Perry menopause. Bruce, I had to bring that up just quickly, Perry menopause, Perry menopause. We never leave the men out because we all change as we get younger, as I like to call it, and that Perry stage is ten to fifteen

years before the real thing happens. So for women it's easy. It's a cessation of men's teas over a year, you're in menopause. Men, Bruce, I'm gonna leave that to you. Eventually we're gonna get to explaining what that looks like for men, how they know that they're really going through. The official name is Andrew pause and just everything going down, going to everything going down with their hormones.

Speaker 4

So my.

Speaker 2

Number one thing that happened to me with going through this stage and having all my hormones go down is inflammation. So glad you brought that, Bruce. And this week everyone, Bruce is going deeper. So we started with the gut, the liver, He introduced the hormonal cascade. He went through all the slides. Now he's going to go deeper. Bruce, take us away in inflammation and.

Speaker 4

To help us.

Speaker 3

Okay, So now we have the high courts all it's upset, the digestion track as we just went through. Now we're getting all these things dropped into our bloodstream and so our body reacts to this, and this is what causes the inflammation, is our body trying to wipe it all out and get it out of our body. So now we have a cascade of inflammation. I had I think I mentioned this once, but I had a lady come in. She says, I have a sore wrist, and I said, well,

what else is wrong? She says, well, now that you mentioned I got tennis album, my shoulders are sore, my hips are sore, my knees are sore. And I said you will how's your digestions? She says, oh not very good. So I put it on a digestion protocol as opposed to curcumun or an anti inflammatory, and within a month all the pain had gone away. So we're talking real pain here. But what happens is is some of this these particles get into the joints and go through. Your

body attacks the particles and now you've got issue. Now you have joint joint problems, this kind of thing.

Speaker 2

So absolutely, Bruce, I have to jump in here as well. And I know you and I had talked about this and everyone although the show is for useful aging, Bruce and I talked about how important it was for us to take care of or gut and we have these symptoms even younger. And I know even though a lot of our private coaching and counseling group or whether we do it, you know, in a pharmacy setting, although a lot of the patients and clients are over forty, a

lot are also under forty. And I just had someone talk to me about pain in the elbow.

Speaker 4

Is this a thing?

Speaker 2

But pain in the elbow, pain down the back? And so what would you recommend for someone like that? So I'm gathering for the question to go with your inflammation is two part. I gather that is inflammation, even though this person is in their late twenties early thirties, and would now be a great time to do some of the nutraceuticals and the protocols we're going to be talking about to help to prevent it getting worse later.

Speaker 3

Yeah, absolutely connected. See if you can connect it to a food you ate. I had a friend who who said, you know, I don't hurt when I'm fasting, but I hurt when I eat. That's digestion. It is just that clear, because if you're fasting, you don't have all the food going into your blood stream, right, So so if you can connect it to meals or a specific type of food,

it's definitely GOT related. Sometimes you just bang your elbow and it's elbow, but if it's if there's no reason for it, generally it's it's going to be GOT related problem. So yeah, I would definitely. I would definitely. If they didn't pull their back and the pin comes and goes, it's probably connected to it to the food they're eating, or just the fact they're eating food and it's going to the bloodstream, not even necessarily the type of food. So yeah, especially it comes and go like it comes

and goes. Those those are a good giveaway too. So so to connect this now, to connect this back to cortisol. Remember cortisol for the progesterone is feeding the cortisol, So your low pagesterone at this point because you're feeding the cortisol to fight flight. Well, once you get inflammation, cortosols and anti inflamm so cordilole is going to come out to try to bring the information in your body down. So if you have leaky gut, you have high cortisol.

If you have high courticol, you have leaky gut. If you have leaky gut, you have trained.

Speaker 2

Bruce, I needed to repeat that. And here's why I know, and you know remember I'm getting the comments. Thank you for keeping the comments going. But I had an email actually just this morning because there's so much information out there and everyone. What Bruce and I try to do is take the complicated and make it simple, and I think based on your feedback, we do it well. I just needed to repeat that again. It's kind of like a feedback switch. If you have one, you have the other.

If you have the other, you have one. Could you repeat that because people are googling and not understanding that it's interrelated.

Speaker 4

And what came first.

Speaker 3

Absolutely, First of all, I want to say, I am simplifying this. There there are since in thousands of papers written on leaky gut, high cortisol, all that sort of thing. So this is simple. Thanks for mentioning that. All right, So, as I say, high cortisol drains your progesterone, so it puts you off balance hormonally. Then all your food, all the all the parlangal loone is feeding the progesterone, and it's not worried about anything else. It's just trying to

keep you alive. So your loan progesterone. You're high in cortisol. It's causing leaky gut. Leaky gut is putting things into your bloodstream that don't belong there. Your body attacks it. Inflammation. Inflammation causes high cortisol, So you get more cortisol to try to fight the inflammation that's been caused by the

leaky gut. So it is very circular. And as as you said, which came first, the chicken of the egg, which came first, the high cortisol or the leaky got You know, I also hear people say, oh, I'm going on vacation, I don't need to take anything from my drenals. Well, your drenals are under nourished, so you're taking your undernourished adrenals with you. You're not you know, you may not be in a stressful situation, but you're still taking the

problem with you. So don't don't think a two week vacation is going to heal this problem that you've been working at for twenty twenty five thirty years. Right, you need to nourish the adrenals and you need to heal the because it won't heal on its own. You need to heal the gut. So so yeah, that and then if we just go to the final slide, if you would to the next slide back when, Yeah, that one,

that's when we're looking for Now. We've talked about the progestero and the cascade of inflammation and all that down the progesterone side, but we didn't talk to the dha dha side, So we're going to do that for now. So the preangnon in a healthy body, remember, go back to our original side. It feeds a dha which the disastro and the estrogen and the thyroid through the hell hypo hypothemos materitory axis. So now because the preparing loan

is feeding the progesterone, it's not feeding the DAHA. So you're not getting the testosterone you need, women the testosterone you need, and that causes low libido, and you're not getting the estrogen you need. Yet you're still eted in dominant because you have more estrogen than progesterone, so you're still having this estro dominant situation although you're not having much estrogen in your body. And then the final thing

that happens is you're not feeding the thyroid. So what I see happen a lot with doctors is they put people on progesterone and thyroid, which is great because you need progesterone and you need to support the thyroid, no argument, but they're not going to the cause of the problem, and that's the drenals which are causing cortisol, which is causing low pogesterone, which is causing and the cascade goes on. So when you're thinking about this, you need to think

about the whole the whole picture. But you were asking earlier about men and women. So if you're not on progesterone already and you feel like you're low and pogesterone, which is you're not sleeping, well, you're you're you're not calm, wired and tired is a good expression. Vitext converts to pogesterone.

It's it's also called chaseberry, which by the way, is called chaseberry because the monks used to eat it back in the day, so they could say chased because you lose your libido eating progesterone, having progested too much breath progesterone as a man. So women's yeah, I know the things that are filled my brain, the things my brain

is filled with. So in a manse situation is instead of doing the vitext, they would do a really good multibe and a multi bee which would bring them, would would calm them down in a similar fashion that vitext would do for women. But don't give I text to a man.

Speaker 2

So don't text men, don't take vitext. And I'm going to jump in here a little bit, Bruce, when you're talking about the estrogen dominant condition, that's something that I know.

Speaker 4

There's buzz.

Speaker 2

There's a word on the street about estrogen dominance in both men and women and is I'm gonna just.

Speaker 4

Maybe just change it up a bit and just ask what are some of some.

Speaker 2

Simple things that tends to cause estrogen dominance in women? Now I know, of course we're going through that hormonal change, and you just mentioned it.

Speaker 4

That was a really good explanation.

Speaker 2

If you could just explain that again for us ladies, because I had a couple of questions on that. So just explain again about the progesterone and still having estrogen, but it's not the estrogen we need, so we're estrogen dominant. I'll get you to re explain that. But also can

you talk about the men? And thank you for telling us about the monks, because now I know, but if you can you explain the men when we've herod out there that males now are estrogen dominant, like what's going on and why that happens?

Speaker 3

All right, So the first one is to just talk about what I've said. I'll just say it a little differently. Yes, please remember we're running for our lives, so our hormonal system is there to keep us alive. So it's most of our hormones are being fed to progesterone to keep the quarters all up because our bodies believe are being chased by saber tooth tiger or by an army of enemies, or whatever the situation may be. But this is because

our lives are so stressful. You know, we have we had I think I said before, we had like forty thousand bits of information in the sixties come at us. Now we have over five hundred thousand bits of information coming at us because of our little phones and the TVs. If you watch a commercial every three seconds, there's a cut to another another scene, but your brain has to

keep up with that. We're designed to run about fifteen kilometers an hour, the very fastest, yet we drive at one hundred klometers an hour, don't even think about it, and we have people going by us at one hundred kilometers an hour. Put that together, two hundred klometers an hour,

and our brain has to take all that in. Plus you've got this stress of the day that you never had before, and you include our diet, so you've got all that and our body, our poor body, is just trying to survive this stressful situation which we call life. And we don't even think about anymore. This isn't natural.

It's been created through all this mechanical age we're in, and of course we do a lot more, we perform a lot more because we've got the computers and we've got all these things that make us more efficient, which means we work harder and we have to focus more. So our body is trying to keep us alive. So it's feeding the progesterone to the cortisol because again the cortisol is there to keep us run for the saber

tooth tiger because we're in this fight flight mode. Because of that, it's not feeding the DHA properly because it's keeps. It doesn't care about the dh side because that's not life or death. The cortisol is life for death, right, It's it's we've got to keep moving. We've got to keep moving. We've got to keep moving. So the cortisol is life or death if the body in the body's mind. So it's not feeding the d g A. So without the b dah g A being fed correctly, I mean

some is getting through. Don't get me wrong. We wouldn't survive without it, but but not enough to be healthy. So the two things that the three things the DAHA take care of is one testosterone and number two is estrogen and number three is the thigh roide. So if you're low on we're low on estrogen, because we're not, it's just not being fed. But because we're so low on pgesterone, we're still estrogen dominant because the estrogen is

compared to the progesterone. So without the progestroone, we've dominance.

Speaker 2

Now one moment, we're actually coming up to a break, which is actually a really good time because then we can just start on the men when you come back. But everyone I know that that just clarified for me, especially as girls you hear about at this stage Bruce, with estrogen obviously, especially perimenopause. Menopause, the estrogen goes mensi's changes,

but we're estrogen dominant. Your explanation, again is the best that I have heard to explain how we can be estrogen dominant on one end and be low on the other. But we have solutions. We're going to take a break, a short word from our sponsors, and Bruce will come back and you'll talk about how men can be estrogen dominant.

Speaker 4

We'll be right back.

Speaker 5

The thinking going by, Yeah, the thing the thinking going by, Yet.

Speaker 4

Can the thing Hi everyone, I'm Genevieve Wisdom. I'm here with Bruce Pollock today.

Speaker 2

Welcome back to Walk with Wisdom, a lifestyle show on youthful aging, and we're talking hormones. Bruce, you have done a phenomenal job giving us a foundation from how the gut and the liver affects the symptoms we're going through with that hormonal change. That was a hot flash of Bruce. But I know you know because I'm not the only woman who's been fanished help.

Speaker 4

Oh my goodness. So we left on inflammation.

Speaker 2

By the way, everyone, don't forget to like and subscribe, share the link, set your reminders, and of course if you want to go deeper, because this is just the tip of the iceberg, isn't it, Bruce. It's just we're just talking in general. You're really making it so that everybody can catch it, but everybody is an individual. Please don't hesitate. Email Wisdom at walkwith Wisdom dot Ca. Now, Bruce and I are happy to do complimentary coaching sessions

because you've been watching the show. We're glad to do that to give back and say thank you. Also, some of the supplements that we're going to talk about Bruce, I'm sure I'll be able to give a gift to our viewers. So let's talk about is it inflammation and men or is it estrogen dominance and men.

Speaker 4

I think we start with the estrogen and go to inflammation.

Speaker 3

Yeah, two separate issues. Definitely, Definitely, estrogen is an issue now with all of us, and estrogen dominance is an issue with all of us. Estrogen is just so prevalent in our world today that it's hard not to be estrogen dominant. You can spot it in men, the men breasts, the dad gut, estrogen dominance. That doesn't mean every guy who has a god is estroen dominant, by the way, but you can see it in men, and even things like beer are highly esten dominant. You know, the prefabricated

foods that we eat are estrogate. A lot of this phrase we use in the house, A lot of the soaps we use, excuse me, a lot of the soaps we use caused estrogen estrogen dominant. So it's really really difficult not to be estra do dominated in our society. We'd almost have to walk back to the woods to get away from it. It's so prevalent in our anxiety.

Speaker 2

So yeah, perfect, And you know that's funny you should mention that because I'm just grateful for you as a guest. And we have another valued guests that will be coming on talking about the household things that we have and how it can cause the disruption on this hormonal cascade that affects us later on. So thank you Bruce for mentioning that. Now, inflammation, the inflamed brain, for instance, you're talking about high cortisol and all of that. Does it look the same in men and women?

Speaker 3

That does? The inflamed brain is the inflame brain. Absolutely, But again you'll women tend to be more aware of it than men. We don't. This is general and I stress that, but men don't tend to be that in touch with their bodies and their functions. They just sort of get up and carry on with their day and don't think about it. They're not that sensitive to their bodies. So women tend to notice it more. Although it's the same with men.

Speaker 2

Absolutely, And you know, everyone, thank you for mentioning that, Bruce. That's why I have Bruce and I and Bruce has been so gracious. He love what we're doing here, He loves the discussions we're having, and he said, Genevieve, I'll come alongside you and give a male perspective because I didn't want to leave the men out. Bruce, I don't think it's fair. We all go through changes, and I think we should just have a really honest, real discussion. That's one thing I wanted to do with this podcast

is just be real. We have a lot of things that's been called real, and we know it ain't, so this is truly real. We're talking about men and women what we go through. And again, we can start early to help prevent a lot of these symptoms so they may not be as adverse when we get older. And I think you're going to talk about some of those things we can do, Bruce, I am.

Speaker 3

But first I'm going to make an unabashed plug for next week. We haven't talked about this story about this, but next week we have a fellow coming on board who knows about men, Andrew Pause, and it's going to be really, really exciting. I'm looking so forward to hearing him. He's been a friend of mine for years and years and years, and so you want detail on Andrew Pause. You want to know what men are going through and how they feel. Tune in next week.

Speaker 2

It's going to be amazing, absolutely, and thank you Bruce for jumping in with that, because I was going to mention it as well.

Speaker 4

Now is good.

Speaker 2

Now is as good a time as any, And the entire show Bruce also agreed to come back. The entire show will be about so we won't be jumping back and forth. We will have this expert on men's health and we can put it all together.

Speaker 3

And ladies please tune in. There's not a lot of information out there about what men go through through andropause. Please tune in. It's gonna be very very interesting.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Bruce. No, that's awesome. That's awesome.

Speaker 3

Now.

Speaker 4

One of the things that and remember this show is going deeper on what we.

Speaker 2

Have introduced before because it's a lot of information and although we've made it in bite size, the bite.

Speaker 4

Is still pretty big. So we kind of throughout the.

Speaker 2

Different levels of symptomology in menopause and menopause that's my name, it's Andrew Pause.

Speaker 4

It's just our decrease in hormones. And Bruce knew me.

Speaker 2

If you didn't see the shows, by the way, everyone go back and look at the last three shows, but I think three shows back Bruce interviewed me about my walk through this, which is why we're doing this, and that's when we decided we'll put together protocols to help. And they're called mild, medium, hot picante, meaning every level you have more things to deal with and you may need to stack those supplements. When I started, I talked

about stacking. Now it's not just supplements, it's lifestyle hygiene. We know that, but today specifically, we're going to just talk about a few of the things that will help to decrease the symptomology from a gut and liver and hormonal and Bruce, can you lead us on that?

Speaker 4

Please?

Speaker 3

Absolutely, Well, we talked about the gut before and what to take and glutamine. I really like and again unabashed Plug Designs for Health. It's a fabulous, fabulous product. They're just really good quality. We had Gary on a couple of weeks ago to talk about it. They make a Gira vibe that if you take this just short term, it will turn your it'll heal your your digestion track from the inside out. As he likes to say. It's

an amazing product. They also make glutamine, which I would say continue with after your gut's been healed, because glutamine will maintain that that that health of your gut. It brings the cells together, It helps with the mecosal layer, all those things that gi reviv will do as well as well. I think that you need think about a probiotic, a really good probiotic, and I'll leave that one for genete to talk about. But that leads us into the

thing we haven't talked about, and that's adrenals. We haven't mentioned how to feed the adrenals. Now, if you feel that you're in a chronic adrenal a chronic cortisol situation, this fight and flight situation, you're in anxiety all the time. You wake up every night, you you you, you wake up in the morning, you're full of energy, but you crash around three o'clock the afternoon. You just or even worse as you're dragging your your butt out of bed

every morning. Every morning is a Monday morning. I say, these are adrenal issues. So you want to feed the adrenals. And there's a really good complex again by by Designs for health, and it's adrenal complex. It's called and it's got adrenal cortex in it, meaning it's got actual adrenal in it. And as a Chinese say, you eat the you eat the organ that you're weak in. Well, they've got this cortex in here. And this this is an

amazing product. There's got a bunch of other things into I won't go into a lot of detail about it. Designs also make a multibe and I think that if you're not taking a good multi vitamin, you should be taking a multibe. Bees keep you calm. B five is really good the adrenals. B six is good for the hormones. So you want that. You want the whole base of vitamin bs if you're going to build stronger on some of them than other ones. So you just don't take B five B six, You take a multibe and then

you add that on top. So that's really good here. Now, So now we're at we're we're at about five products. Now we're at adrenal product, a multib We've got the three gut and again if you're wired and tired, y tex one in the evening, and that's now we're now we're starting to deal with the whole symptomology at this point. So that's where I would with with with supplements to begin with. That's that's as much as I would take for a while.

Speaker 2

Absolutely, thank you for that. Bruce and everyone email Wisdom at Walkwi Wisdom dot ca. I can give Bruce and I of course, together with Designs for Health, we're happy to give fifteen percent off to get you started. I am actually redoing everything.

Speaker 4

That I have done. And remember Bruce and I have helped others, but I'm here now. It's very different when I'm.

Speaker 2

Going through it now and I'm going to redo everything, and I'm going to start with these protocols that we're talking about.

Speaker 4

So this would be on the mild level.

Speaker 2

It's foundational, and Bruce mentioned, of course you might want to add a probiotic because it's really important. We talked about the gut health, so the algludamine, the probiotic, and what I like to add is a digestive enzyme, which you mentioned. But remember everyone, I'm on the piicante end of things. I've got a lot going on. So you do foundational things and then you stack it, you add So I take a digestive enzyme with food because I know I need that extra to break the food down.

And Bruce, tell us a little bit again about when you started out with this foundationally you mentioned hydrochloric acid. Why is it important? And actually DFH has a great digestive enzyme with it. Can you explain to our valued audience why that's so important?

Speaker 3

Okay, first, I'm going to talk about the enzyme though is remember I was saying, you're in flight flight mode, your body is not concerned about breaking down your food, so it's not creating those enzymes. So your body that your gut needs to break the food down. Generally it's created by the pancreas. It gets injected just below the acid bath to break down the rest of the food in small testine. Well, if that's not happening, I said, you get hyper fermentation and which causes a lot of problems.

So when you're in this state, digestive enzyme is a fabulous, fabulous idea. I'm really I think it's a great idea with every meal because you don't want any fitting to the small intestine that isn't broken down, because now you're going to cause a lot more problems. And I'm sorry, Genevieve, what was the question, Well, that was it.

Speaker 2

I just wanted you to talk about a digestive enzyme and just how low we are on hydrochloric acid.

Speaker 4

Just a quick.

Speaker 3

Hydrocortic acid is really a misunderstood thing. Generally, when people get acid reflex over forty forty five, they feel they have too much stomach acid. But I ask you, what chemical in our body do you get more of as we get older? Right, there's hardly any. It's actually cortisols like that gets that we get more, so we have

less and less. And what happens is we get so little stomach acid that the spincture doesn't close, that leads upward to our mouth, and thus we get what we call acid reflex because what's little left is able to come up. And this is why it's way worse at night when you lay down, because now there's no gravity holding it to the bottom of your stomach. And you'll find that many seniors actually sleep on an angle so that the acid doesn't come up and they don't get burnt.

So hydrochloric acid it's mixed with batane to keep it neutral till it hits the stomach, but it actually fills your stomach up with stomach acid. So that that spincture says, oh we've got stomach acid. Now I can close. And this is how, this is how the natural way to solve acid reflex over forty five is and why you're

doing that though, I do suggest taking diglycerooide liquors. It's called DGL because it'll put that it chewable youable dj L because it'll put that mucle layer down your digestion track. So if any acid comes up while you're filling it up, you don't burn yourself. So that uh, I think everybody who says, well it's when I have that spaghetti sauce or I have that glass of wine too much, when I your low stomach acid, that's why that's happening. And

it happens to me once as well. And I always I always keep a bottle of h C L or baitane in the house for these for these situations.

Speaker 2

Fantastic, Thank you, Bruce. Now we're going to take a break for sponsors. We'll be right back everyone day.

Speaker 5

Can do a thinking going by, Yeah.

Speaker 2

Can.

Speaker 3

Do a.

Speaker 2

Hi everyone, I'm Genevieve Wisdom. I'm here with Bruce Fallock. Welcome back to Walk with Wisdom. A lifestyle show and looking great and feeling amazing as we age. Bruce, you did a phenomenal job today going deeper on the hormonal cascade and really talking about the protocols that we have to help women primarily but also men.

Speaker 4

Feel better in.

Speaker 2

The gut and help to alleviate some of those menopausal and menopausal symptoms.

Speaker 4

Do you have a thirty second wrap up on what we talked about today?

Speaker 3

Yeah, okay, quickly, quickly, if you find you have a lot of gas, you're you're burping your passing gas a lot. That's not natural. You you have digestion problems, and so do these proto calls help your help yourself out. And just remember stress causes problems and and stress is Stress and gut are the two leading causes of most problems that we get in our body. So I say, if you're if you have gut problems, you've got leaky gut, Your toxin, your beaning toxins in your body, they don't

belong there. If you have high cortisol, you've got low low progesterone, your hormonal or your homero balance is off. Plus you have leaky got, you have leaky gut, you have high cholesterol, your hormonals are balanced, and you have leaky gut, so the loop. It's just really important to keep all the consideration, all these things in consideration and uh and deal with it. Don't let it go on because it will cause further harm down the road.

Speaker 2

Absolutely, and again everyone Wisdom at Walk with Wisdom dot ca a wisdom at Walk with Wisdom dot Ca.

Speaker 4

Bruce and I use that email.

Speaker 2

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and emailing. Specifically, you will get fifteen percent off the designs for health products, as well as a complimentary consultation with Bruce and I about what we've talked about so far. Because you are different, we'rerun a little bit different still, right, Bruce. It's not a one size fits all, so yes, absolutely, Now,

I wanted to just add something. At the end of each show, we're going to talk about skin and the reason being those of you who know me and those of you are getting to know me when I started this show, and Bruce you this as well. It's to show on useful aging. It's talking about looking good and feeling amazing as we age. Now, when we're going through all these menopausal and menopausal symptoms, we get fine lines. Inflammation and stress shows up on our skin, doesn't it.

Speaker 4

Burst.

Speaker 3

Oh, absolutely, every rash, every exzema ever, any of those things that haven't been caused by touching something and isn't caused by by fungus is from digestion. So ezemas from gestion, The rashes are from digestion, all of these things. So everything every when we have toxes our bloodstream our bloodstreams trying to get rhythm, and our skin is one of the biggest cleansing organs we have. So it's pushing the toxins out our skin. And this is where we get a lot of the rashes and the exemas from.

Speaker 2

Absolutely and so I have an organic line of skin care care. It's called Revived twenty five skincare dot com. Revive twenty five skincare dot com. I have an apple stem cell cleanser. Bruce, I'm gonna have to get.

Speaker 4

It to you.

Speaker 2

We may be low on that stock, but I want you all just to go and check it out because beauty from the outside. And I said that because of my fashion background, because this is what we see first and going through what I'm going through with menopause, and not just meet all you ladies and gentlemen who come to us for consultation. If we look good, sometimes that's all we need. We need to look at and go, you know what, we're getting younger. I'm gonna put on

some good skincare. But this skincare actually goes with the nutraceuticals. So there's a toner or refresher, it's a spray. It's called resi vitrol, which is an antioxidant. It calms the skin down from the outside, will help to decrease the fine line, help to decrease that the breakouts, et cetera. But remember you're gonna pair this with a probiotic, with a digestive enzyme. You're going to take care of the gut from the inside. So I always want to mention

a skincare product. Thank you all who know and love Revive twenty five. By the way, Bruce We're going to have a show on skin and we're going to talk about the hormones and skin, and I would love to have you there because I love a man's perspective.

Speaker 3

I love beautiful skins. So it's a good deal.

Speaker 4

There we go, There we go. Now, Bruce, we have about thirty seconds left.

Speaker 2

I thought it would be apropos for you to reintroduce next week's show and what we're going to talk about next week.

Speaker 3

So I'm so excited. The gentlemen we have coming on board has been in the industry for thirty thirty five years. He does his homework. He was with the people who are founding these companies that we buy our products from today. It's just that he's amazing. It's encyclopeda wealth of knowledge. I go to him when I've got questions, so I'm just so excited to hear what he has to say. He's been a trainer, a fitness trainer, he was a martial artist, he's an athlete. It's just I'm just so excited.

I'm just going to leave it at that.

Speaker 2

Fantastic and I go to him as well, and he's really going to focus on the men next week on entire show dedicated to the men, and as Bruce said earlier, ladies, we know that we often watch and get things to help the men in our lives. Son, husband's brother. Please email us Wisdom at walkwi Wisdom dot Ca. Thank you all so much for your support. We actually have people that have come back week after week, Bruce, and they've asked for you, so thank you for coming back.

Speaker 4

We look forward again to see you all next week.

Speaker 1

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