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Jason Middleton hosts your Wednesday morning Wake Up Call. ABC White House Correspondent Karen Travers joins the show to discuss Biden aiming to tout manufacturing investments in South Carolina. ABC Tech Reporter Mike Dobuski comes on the program to talk META’s launch of their new app “Threads.” Jason speaks with ABC News Reporter covering Israel & Palestine territories Jordana Miller about Israel withdrawing forces after a 2-day operation that left 12 Palestinians & 1 Israeli dead. The show wraps with ABC’s Crime and Terrorism Analyst Brad Garrett talking about innovative approaches to help head off the next would-be shooter out there but need more than lip service to be implemented.

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You're listening to a wake up call on demand from kf I Am six forty. Here's Jason Middleton. Good morning everyone, Thursday, July sixth This is your wake up call. Everybody grab a Thread's account last night? No, okay, just me and ten million other people. I guess okay, cool. Hey, Look, nobody knows if it's going to be a thing. Meta has a track record of seeing something and then copying something, so we'll see all this goes. We have an interview later this hour with Mike Dubuski

from babysit to talk about threads and the competition for Twitter. Twitter's approach being rather than bigger, stronger, faster, going with slower, weaker, smaller. We'll see. We have a few other headlines before we get into some local news out of the KFI twenty four hour news room. Holiday gun violence has totals. This morning, a new report shows there were at least seventeen mass shootings across the US during the Fourth of July holiday. The Gun Violence

Archives says the shootings took place between Friday night and into yesterday morning. The shootings shootings led to eighteen deaths and more than one hundred injuries, and spending on political advertising for the twenty twenty four elections is already double, already double what it was in twenty twenty. Ad Impact reports that more than four hundred and fifty three million dollars have been spent so far on next year's election.

At this point in twenty twenty, the spend was two hundred and twenty two million dollars. That's amazing. Someone strapped a baby into a carrier and then strapped that carrier onto the roof. It's a baby doll into a carrier onto a roof of a Tesla and then drove her out a mall parking lot in New Jersey. Nine one was flooded with calls. The apparent motive was to

create a viral video for YouTube. We're getting dumber. Let's start with some of the stories coming out of kf I twenty four hour news room and internal affairs investigation will look into the actions of two La County Sheriff's deputies as they arrested a man and woman in Lancaster. Sheriff Luna said he saw body worn footage from the deputies and a cell phone recording showing a woman pepper spray then

tackled to the pavement. No one likes to see that. I don't think anybody ever wants to see any force being applied in any manner, especially from somebody in uniform, and I said yesterday. On June twenty fourth, deputies were sent to the Windco grocery store after an employee called nine one one to report a security guard had been assaulted. Luna said when deputies arrived, they saw men and woman matching the description, and as they tried to detain them,

they resisted arrest. Luna called the recording disturbing. Steve Gregory Tanka Fine News. A fifty thousand dollar reward is being offered for information leading to the arrest of a fatal hit and run driver in Wilmington. Richard Smith says he watched his best friend die Monday night. How can you live with that on your conscience? You destroyed a whole bunch of people's lives by taking this one

individual away. How could you possibly not own up to it. Smith says his friend was lighting fireworks when a woman and a Ford explorer hit him and sped away. The Department of Justice has appealed a court's decision to restrict some federal officials and agencies from communicating with social media companies. A Trump appointed judge

issued a sweeping order this week barring talks between the two. Lawsuits claimed the Biden administration colluded with social media companies to regulate information about the pandemic and elections. An attorney for former President Trump has retired ahead of his potential disbarment over Trump's attempts to overturn the results of the twenty twenty election. Lynn Wood says his retirement was not on his timing, but the Georgia State Bar agreed not

to pursue disciplinary proceedings against him if he did. The agreement declares Wood cannot practice law in any state and he cannot apply for readmission. California Republican Congresswoman Michelle Steele is pushing a bill to make school's disclose use of personal ratings in college admissions. Fellow Republican Congresswoman Young Kim says supports eight Steals initiative because a

student's race and background should not be more important than their merits. We've found that without the racial discrimination in admissions, California public universities had more racially diverse Susan bodies. Kim said yesterday the US Supreme Court's decision last week to end affirmative action is a win for students nationwide. Five people have been hurt in

a shooting at an apartment complex in Florida. A woman who lives in the complex says it's a scary world and she cannot believe it happened right outside her door. A couple of guys like thrill of them was running from around a corner and they were like, Oh, I'm shot, I'm shot. And the guy he had blood all over, she says. A group of people in the courtyard were confronted by a second group last night before guns started firing,

and no arrests were made. A new survey shows millennials maybe the biggest liars. Millennials are apparently the worst offenders when it comes to lying on social media and in the workplace. A new survey from online casino play Star looked at more than thirteen hundred people to ask them how much they lie. Thirteen

percent of millennials said they lie at least once a day. On the other hand, only two percent of Baby boomers admitted the same, and five percent of both Gen X and Gen z. Some of the biggest areas of deception include fabricating something on a resume and lying on social media to impress others. Mark Ronner, KFI News. In just a couple of minutes, we're gonna have ABC's Karen Travers with is talk about Bidena makes the South Carolina chapter.

But first from the Southern California Toyota Dealers Traffic Center. Let's go places, and let's get our first check on traffic issues for you in the New Hall Pass. As you're making a southbound along the five before the fourteen, it's a crash. Is the two left lane shutdown? That's gonna be early morning

delays for you. Guys are coming away from Colgrow really really packed in tight for you, actually know it looks like it'll be from about lions on the five south bound as you make it into New Hall Pass heading towards the fourteen. Got an update on this or anything. I'm slowing you down pound to fifteen. Your cell phone keyword is k by traffic westbound side. I'm the ninety one not too far from the two forty one toll road. Got an

earlier problem clear to the center divider. Still seems the Patsy delays for you ninety one westbound from the seventy one as you head to the two forty one coming out of the High Desert on the south on side of the fifteen through the Cone Pass going to be patchy delays for your overall leaving Oak Hill, passing the escape ramp in the one thirty eighties you continue toward Klaig Horn.

Things get a little bit easier for you the closer you get to Kenwood and beyond to the split with the two fifteen in DeVore, seeing some heavy slung for you threw Colton on the two fifteen southbound from before the ten. As you make your way into the Grand Terrace adjacent area around Washington's where things get a little bit easier for your drive again, Pound to fifteen yourself on keyword K by traffic if you have an update of what's causing those delays. Pound

k ify in the sky helps get to there faster. I'm Nick paul o'keini. The first topic for today on Wake Up Call is biden Omics. Like I said, the South Carolina version, ABC White House correspondent Carren Travers is with us right now. Good morning, Karen, Hey, good morning. President Biden's going to head to South Carolina today to tout that infrastructure. What are his investments in South Carolina? What's the interest? Yeah, So Bidenomics

is this new phrase that the administration is really pushed with. All the President talk about this last week in Chicago and now today at South Carolina. It's

really his economic agenda and how it's benefiting Americans. Today, he's going to be announcing that companies have committed over five hundred billion dollars in private sector manufacturing and clean energy investments in the US since he came into office, and the White House is highlighting this, and the President highlighting this one particular company, Encha's Energy, a solar tech company that is going to invest sixty million dollars

and create eighteen hundred jobs nationwide, including six hundred in South Carolina in clean energy manufacturing. And the White House says that this company is part of a growing list nationwide that's mobilized by funding and investment from one of the President's signature

pieces of legislation, the Inflation Reduction Act. So this is all meant to show, look what the legislation we sign that's very big, kind of broad you know, it's hard for people to see right away some of the handible impacts of these pieces of legislation, the Infrastructure Law, the Inflation Reduction Act. They want to get him out on the road saying here's where that money is going. And so that's what he's going to do today and try to

highlight here's where the investment is happening. It's happening in this community, it's creating jobs, it's coming nationwide. Also, look for the President to go after some of the South Carolina members of Congress Republicans who voted against these pieces of legislation and now are seeing investments in their districts, in their communities. The President's going to say, you know, if it were for up to them, this money would not be coming back to their states. The interesting

of Senator Lindsey Graham remains unscathed after this visit as well. We've had about two Sunday cycles of news shows and how is bidonomics playing out in the real world so far? Yeah, And that's the thing. I think the fact that they have to do this shows that, you know, when you look at how Americans are paving and understanding some of the legislation it's not registering yet and they get that, and that's why this type of event. You're going

to see a lot more like this over the next couple of months. The President is not doing campaign rallies, He is not hitting the trail in a traditional sense as an incumbent. That's normal. We didn't see President Obama do that until twenty twelve for his reelection, so he's not behind schedule right now. But the White House has to figure out a way for him to get

out a reelection message without launching the full blown reelection. And it's going to be events like this because they look at polls and see people don't know what we have done, and they want them to know that as we have deeper into the campaign season. Right. Thanks a lot for that. That's actually really great context. I was looking at some gallup polling from Reagan in the Reaganomics era and it's similar to what we're seeing this time around too. So

what's past is prologue. It seems ABC's aren travers. Thank you so much. I would great say carriage covers the White House, all things politics on Capitol Hill, and so happy to have her as much as we can. According to that gallup poll. I did look up his lowest rating. Reagan's lowest was thirty five percent, and that was in nineteen eighty three, before

seeking reelection, and that's when Reaganomics was rolling out. So maybe there is a bit of a playbook being played out here by the Biden administration as well. So let's get back to some of the stories coming out of the KFI twenty four hour news room. The Attorney General's annual Use of Force Report shows

officers in California shot more Hispanics than any other ethnicity last year. The report also shows there were five hundred ninety seven uses of force where there was a severe injury or death, and seventy five percent of those originated as a traffic or pedestrian stop. Numbers show there were more than thirteen hundred gun related encounters overall in twenty twenty two. Eighty three percent of those officers involved were not

injured, seventeen were, and four officers died. Almost half of those shootings happened during a call for service, and sixteen percent happened while the crime was in progress or when officers were investigating suspicious circumstances. Steve Gregory, Cafe News The Huntington Beach Police Department is looking for three men they say robbed a jewelry store in Bella Tera. The district's Jessica Kuchila says businesses can help by making

sure they have working surveillance cameras. We definitely encourage anyone to call us if they see anyone acting suspiciously around their business or hanging around in the parking lot. Police say the thieves used hammers to smash into display cases Monday and took off in a black car with an unknown amount of jewelry. LA City Council member Tracy Park says she's concerned the annual homeless count does not track homeless people

moving between cities. Parks says the West side of LA has seen the largest jump in homelessness. Other communities are moving populations, and we are absorbing the brunt of it. On the West side of Los Angeles, Parks District, which includes Beverly Hills and Culver City, has had an increase of more than two thousand homeless people. Jet Blue has ended its alliance with American Airlines in

an attempt to save its plan to partner with Spirit Lines. The move announced by Jet Blue yesterday, follows the judge's order and warning it was in danger of becoming a monopoly. The airline has been hit with multiple lawsuits, including from the DOJ, which says the merger with Spirit would violate US antitrust laws. Now, Jet Blue says there won't be any immediate changes for already booked flights, in case you were looking at your wallet or your digital wallet.

Singer and actor Dominic Fike has revealed he was high on drugs while filming HBO's Euphoria. Fike, who plays Elliott, says he struggled with addiction issues for years and being on a show mainly about drugs was hard. He says he was so messed up he almost got fired and was given an onset sober coach, which he says did not work. He says he's sober now though, and excited to start filming this next season. Private sector jobs did surge by

four hundred and ninety seven thousand last month. That's well ahead, I think. I said two twenty two the expectation was two hundred and sixty seven thousand, so about an eighty five to eighty eight percent beat on expectations, and weeks to just two hundred and twenty in this month coming up in July two, so that's probably going to beat those expectations. We'll see leisure in hospitality led those hires. Two hundred and thirty two thousand people alone were hired in

that sector. Construction added ninety seven thousand jobs last month, and trade transportation utilities another ninety thousand was added there. The unexpected jump in payrolls does show a very strong labor market. Also shows that wage increases are at the very least still on a slight increase. And that's despite the Fed doing its thing with the interest rates, which we're probably going to get at least two more hikes, and this Job's report is going to do nothing to slow them down.

ABC Tech correspondent and analyst Mike Dubuski is on the line. A brand new social media app arrived last night, at least according to my feeds, and it comes from Meta slash Facebook. Good morning, Mike, Good morning. Yeah. Meta kind of jumped the gun a little bit here. It seems they were planning to release this new app called Threads, which is their Twitter competitor. They were planning to do it today at ten a m. Eastern but as you mentioned, Jason, a lot of people got on last

night. It feels like they kind of just opened the floodgates. The excitement level, the hype for this got to be too much that they were like, come on in, and a lot of people jumped over last night in the evening time here on the East coast. And it's an interesting sort of proposition. If you've been on Twitter, this will feel very familiar. It's short character limited posts. It's arranged in a feed. There's an algorithm that

presents you things that it thinks you will like. You can go follow people, they can follow you, you can like, comment, reshare. It's a lot like Twitter, and that's very intentional on Meta's party. Absolutely. So, if real estate is about location, social media apps are about timing. Do you think that maybe Meta pushed this out a little bit early, not just last night, but I mean just overall. Do you think it was already baking it and then decided to pull it out of the oven?

Yeah, so Meta's been working on this for a while. Rumors indicated that we were going to get this sort of mid July, and now we're talking here on the sixth, and Yeah, it seems like they may be pushed this ahead a couple of weeks, and that gets back to this sort of direct target at Twitter that meta has here Adam Missi, who is the head of Instagram. That's the team that would kind of put Threads together. It

is its own app, but it's very closely linked to Instagram. He said that recent volatility and unpredictability at Twitter under Elon Musk's leadership provided an opening for them to put this product out. So they were like, if you don't like Twitter, here is basically Twitter again, but it's not run by Elon Musk. That's their pitch. Yeah, kind of hoping to see Blue Sky come out a little bit quicker than it was. I've been beta testing that for a couple of months. Now, are you on threads yet? I

am on Threads? Yes. I poured it over my Instagram account last night when I got back from dinner. And I will say that's kind of the argument here for on the user end of things when it comes to Threads, right, is that because it's so closely linked to your Instagram account when you first sign up and I'm sure you saw this when you did, Jason, there's a screen that says, hey, do you to follow everyone that you follow on Instagram? And then you just click yes and then your feed populates.

Right. So it's very easy to make that jump. And you can imagine all of the people who follow you on Instagram are making that similar discussion. So it's not like you're starting from zero when you sign up on threads. Your following is there and your followers are there as well. When you have a blue sky, when you have a mastadon, you kind of got to rebuild that. You have to go looking for those communities to build your

following and to go follow people that you think are interesting. That doesn't seem to be the case here. It seems to be a lot less, a lot less friction getting onto Threads. I've only got you for thirty more seconds. So Meta is a copy paste kind of a thing. Do you think this threads is going to stick around? It didn't necessarily work as well with Snapchat at first, but now it does. That's very true, and I think you know Instagram Reels is another good example of them copying a feature from

a popular new app and then integrating into their own service. This I think is a significant moment for Meta because It has been a long time since the general populace has been really excited about something from them. Right, we talked about Instagram Stories is a copy of Snapchat Stories. People use it. It's popular, but I don't know if excitement is the right word to describe that. Same deal with Instagram Reels. It's popular, but I don't know if

people love it. This is something that people are kind of rooting for. It seems like the conversations that I've seen happen on threads on Blue Sky, on some of these Twitter alternatives. They don't like what's going on on Twitter, they don't like some of the recent decision making that Elon Musk has instituted on that platform. Now with Threads Meta, you know, seemingly what a reversal of fortune, fortunes for them. They are kind of the hot new

thing. There's something that people want to succeed. So whether that will remain right, we're just in the first day of this, I think that remains to be seen, but it's certainly an interesting reversal of fortunes for Matta. I think Mike, thanks for coming on with this Morning. Always a pleasure YouTube. Speaking with ABC Tech, We're spondent and analyst Mike Dubuskie. Right, there a couple of things about this, just in case you're interested in

porting over, like he said, and you're right. He's right, there's not much excitement around it. It's more like a relief. You can sign up with your Instagram account, keep your user name, That's what I did. It's really easy to follow all of your Instagram connections, and people who are already verified on Instagram get to keep those blue checks, which is one

of the differentiating marks from Twitter as well. Threats are going to have the same content moderation policies and infrastructure as Instagram, which means equals stability, and the app will eventually connect to other social media sites like Mastodon, which is

also a competitor of course to Twitter during this diaspora. And I think the last thing about Twitter is the only aspect of Twitter that has not been addressed by a competitor yet, is that most journalists used to use Twitter as an assignment desk, and that's not been ported it over to anybody else just yet.

Maybe Blue Sky is the one who steps into that. Let's get some more news coming from the KFI twenty four Hour news room, California Republican Congresswoman Michelle Steele says she's pushing for legis for schools to disclose use of personal ratings in admissions. A version of the bill was introduced in twenty twenty two, but it was never voted on. Congresswoman Young Kim says she's supporting Steele's efforts

after the US Supreme Court ruled last week to end affirmative action. This decision is a win for all Americans, but especially those hard working as students, especially from the minority backgrounds, under privilege, or underrepresented communities. Kim said yesterday. A person's race and backgrounds should not matter more than their merits and character. Chris Adler ka FI News. A brush fire in the hills west of Temecula has burned more than seven and a half acres and threatened homes.

Riverside County Fire officials ordered evacuations yesterday for fifteen homes in the area of Sandia Creek and Elprado. As of last night, the fire was contained. A fifty thousand dollar reward is being offered for information leading to an arrest in a fatal hit and run in Wilmington. One arian was allegedly lighting fireworks in the

middle of Free Street when a speeding suv slammed into him. Friend and roommate Richard Smith says the car sped up, aimed at his friend and intentionally hit him, and he flew one hundred and twenty feet and as a car was pulling out a food for less, he ended up under the car. He didn't get hit twice, the only guy hit once. Police say the suv that crashed into Aryan Monday night as a two thousand and eight Forward Explorer,

and the driver is described as a Hispanic female Chris Adler. KFI News officials say the man accused of killing five people and injuring four others in Philadelphia told police he went on the shooting spree to clean up the neighborhood. Thea Larry Krasner says they will do justice in court with this case. We'll be facing multiple counts of murder and we'll also be facing multiple counts of aggravators assault as

a first greefelony weapons charges, among others. Krasner says the man who was in court yesterday posted disturbing messages on social media before the attack Monday and had a previous gun conviction years ago. Krasner says resources have been provided to the community to help people cope with the tragedy. Some soft economic data as well, from the peak season of home sales. This time, we had a

strong jobs report. Now we see mortgage rates last week hit their highest level since the end of May, which in turn is pushing down, you know, new mortgage applications. Total mortgage volume down four and a half percent compared to the week before. That's according to Mortgage Bankers Association. Demand is now at its lowest level in a month. Right now, on Wake Up Called, Israel withdrew its forces from the Janine refugee camp just after midnight, ending

the largest military operation there in years. ABC's Geordana Miller is with us to help us unpack this morning's news. Good morning. That's right. After really almost eighteen months of escalating violence, the Israeli army decided to go into the Janine refugee camp and carry out what it called the counter terrorism operation. It lasted forty eight hours. They found thousands of ammunition, rifles explode, even bags and bags of cash, and even some hidden in the local mosque there.

They were able to arrest about three dozen militants and question about one hundred others. But at the end of this operation twelve Palestinians killed. Israel says they were all combatants, but no activists in the camp. Say a handful of those killed were indeed civilians, a few young teenagers, one Israeli soldier was killed. And really massive destruction left behind in one section of this refugee

camp. I mean they tore up streets, bulldozed them and damaged you know, dozens of buildings and cars, cut power lines and water lines, and of course the internet is not working in those areas either. So the Palestinian civilians who are not involved with militant activity coming back really finding um, you know that their neighborhood, their streets, their homes you know, have been

you know, extreme severely damaged. Jordana, thank you for that. Can for more context around the situation on the ground, Can you tell us what Janine refugee camp looked like ten days ago before this happened. Well, the Janine refugee camp is located in the disputed West Bank in the northern section uh It is home to eighteen thousand Palestinians. It is you know, been around since nineteen forty eight, since the It's a long history of Palestinian militancy,

going back most recently just twenty years ago during the Palestininea Uprising. It was one of the most explosive areas. But you know, the terrible part of these kind of operations is that you know, there's you know, hundreds of militant oparate in the in the camp, but they're eighteen thousand, you know, innocent civilians who live there, and it is part of the militant strategy to live among civilians, and they end up paying a huge price, really

an unfair price. Jordanna, thank you for that too. Any new expectations so far coming out of this, either on the Israeli side or Palestinian expectations, Well, I think this question is, you know, will this actually be an operation that you know will be effective in any way, meaning will

it create some deterrence? Will it break then nearly eighteen months of violence we've seen, uh, you know, this is already on record set to be the deadliest year in twenty years, right, almost thirty Israeli civilians killed, over one hundred and sixty Palestinians in you know, these nightly or daytime Israeli military raids, you know, will will there be you know, finally an end to this wave. And the other question is whether we're going to see

more of these raids. Maybe the Israeli army now is going to stop the nightly raids and go in maybe once a month for you know, one or two or three days and try to clear out. And the other part of this equation is the Palestinian authority are they going to take up a proposal that was put on the table by the Biden administration to really retrain their Palastinian police and get them in to do job. Jordana, We're having a little bit of difficulty, but I think I could get one more question in um you

mentioned there the deadliest year in twenty years. Why do you think this happened now? Or there was there any indication on either side that things are going to tick up deadly violence for the first time in twenty years? Why now? Well, this two day read was kind of the climax of eighteen months of intensifying violence, and it started under the previous government, which was not

a far right government by any means. It was, you know, a diverse coalition of right and left, including an Arab Islamist party, and it was then that the violence first began. And I think there's a lot of factors why. I mean, on the Palestinian side, you know, there's

deep frustration and apathy. They've lost faith in the Palestinian authority and the leadership of Palestinian President Mahmoudabas, who they believe is corrupt and weak and even a partner of Israel and policies that they disagree with, and he has done very little to move forward on the goal of an independent Palestinian state, and so

there's been a turn to militancy among young Palestinians. On the other side, the Israeli government, you know, whether it was even the previous government there there there's also resistance there and about really restarting a peace process, a meaningful peace process, and that's because much of the public also has lost faith,

i think, in a real peace process. And before that, it was years and years of a government under Natanniall that didn't want a peace process, and certainly the current government is not interested in a peace a peace process at all, and even you know, in any kind of full dial Jordanna, thank you so much for joining us. We'll talk again soon. Thanks so

much. Now, ABC's Jordonna Miller, they're joining us from Jerusalem. A little bit of a body connection, but very important information coming out of the region this morning. Let's get back to a few of the stories coming out of the camp by twenty four hour news room before we progress towards Brad Garrett later. At this hour, police and Huntington Beach are looking for three smash

and grab robbers who hit a jewelry store in Bellata. The men allegedly broke into the store in broad daylight and used hammers to break through display cases. The departments Jessica Kucia says businesses can help prevent break ins by reporting suspicious activity. Please call the police department and inform us. We'll go out there and check to see why they're in that area. Police say the men took off in a black car Monday with an unknown amount of jewelry. Anyone with information

is urged to call Huntington Beach PD. Chris Adler Ka FI News Climate activist Greta Tunberg has been charged with disobeying law enforcement over a protest in Sweden. Prosecutors say the group stop traffic in the oil terminal of a port last month, and Tunberg refused to comply with orders. They say the crime is typically punishable with fines. Tunberg will face trial at the end of this month. Scientists say Earth's average temperature yesterday remained at an unofficial record highs that the day

before. The University of Maine's Climate Now reanalyzer sorry shows the average global temperature was sixty two point nine degrees fahre kneit. As Wayne Resnick pointed out yesterday, though that's kind of a fishing number, because you know, half of the world is in winter right now, but still six or two point nine is a new hottest day ever. Over the long holiday weekend, there were eighteen mass shootings across America, according to report out this morning, seventeen and

eighteen deaths, more than one hundred injured. ABC's Brad Garrett is with us to talk about the news and also to discuss gun policy and politics. Welcome back, Brad, Thank you, thank you so. Seventeen mass shootings, according to a report over the holiday weekend to celebrate the Declaration of Independence signing not a great look for America. Zeitgeist, where are we well? Of

course not. You know, if you look at all Jason, of the different angles of how you you know, you sort of go at gun violence. You know, we've had endless discussions about guns, get controlled, banning, a R fifteen, all of these things. They're really not going to get us anywhere because we're just not ready as a society to actually address this and as a huge component to this problem. But if we can't change people at least it across the board generally speaking, then when else can you look

at? And the other component of this is mental health. And I'm not

suggesting mental health of people that are schizophrenic or like severely mentally ill. I'm talking about behavioral stuff like hopelessness, despair, isolation, self loathing, self harm, depression, It goes on and on that there are studies that would support that if you start to identify some of those behaviors and others of kids actually an elementary school and start to work with them and I'm not again talking about putting them into therapy, but teachers are aware, social workers at the

school are aware to identify and help these kids become better functioning, less angry, etc. That if that consistently has followed through through elementary school, middle school, high school, and then even community programs like mobile mental health units that LA probably has, but maybe even in an expanded version that the study support that it can reduce crime rate overall, and it certainly can address and reduce gun violent type crime. So, Brad seems like the politics after these

things, everybody comes out. There's also the thoughts and prayers aspect of it, and then there's some that say from electron that things need to be done.

Are you seeing anything different coming out of the July fourth Holidays? No. I mean it's interesting because the Governor of New Jersey, Philip Murphy, has basically done a study and he's pulled together a bunch of experts in this particular arena that you and I are talking about, and he's come up with some of the things that that you and I are discussing, and I think he's going to attempt to implement those. Are there cities, Jason that are

due some version of this? I think so. But a less than a third of the school systems basically have any mechanisms to address, nor have they really adequately educated teachers and administrators what to look for and in sort of common sense ways to approach helping kids, right. I know you've been analyzing this and covering this, and this is your expertise. I know that politics is

not necessarily your expertise. I'm wondering, just in a very macro kind of way, does this conversation, this policy discussion, create an avenue for another platform, a third party even to put forth some solutions. You mentioned mental health right there. I'm not familiar with any concrete solutions to that. No, And I guess the problem, Jason, is that it does have an

immediate effect. I mean, you're really talking about investing resources as early as elementary school to get people better functioning so that they become less angry, less violent adults. And how do you measure that And how do you convince politicians of today that this could really help down the road when they're really, at the end of the day interested in what can get them around the corner instead of down the road. And so that's a problem. I don't know about

third parties. I mean, the reality is you have to have the money to do this, and you have to have the will of the people in your jurisdiction because a lot of this will boil down the fence can help money wise, grants, whatever it might be. But it's like everything else, it's all local. Right when it comes to the stuff I talk about, it's really all local, and that's who the folks that would have to jump in and when they'd have to have the financial and professional support to do these

things. And again it's I think a bit of an uphill battle with politicians for reasons we discussed. Yeah, I agree, it's an uphill battle. Looks like to an horizon point that's way far off. But you're right, acting locally, at least there's something that can be done and seen there and been able to analyze them, maybe a proof of concept that they can emanate into a more regional or even national kind of scale. I hope have you

seen anything along those lines. Can you think of a specific example with a city or a county that may have implemented something that might be worth repeating? No, I mean there are cities and counties that have a version of what we're talking about. You know. Governor Murphy references those in the study he did, and I think his goal is to implement some of these policies in the of New Jersey and so it'll be interesting to see where that goes.

Again, let me go back to it's so difficult, Jason to measure these things, how effective really are they because you're really talking about human behavior. Just because you offer all these things doesn't mean that there's going to be some

people that are going to go south violently at some point. But to better identify and in particular to better identify them on the street and do follow ups with them, because that's what we really miss in a lot of these mass shooters is there's no follow up when you have initial conversations with kids or young adults. Big issue. ABC's Crime and Terrorism Analyst Brad Garrett, thanks so much for your time this morning. Brad much appreciated it. As always,

You're welcome, take care of Jason. Thank you. Let's get back to some of the stories coming out of the KFI at twenty four hour News Room before we roll into Handle on the News with Wayne Resnick. A new report shows spending related to La Mayor Ass's Inside Safe program to house homeless people has reached nearly forty million dollars. The money has been spent on hotel rooms, keeping the La Grand Hotel open for another year. Service providers over time to

LAPD officers and reimbursing the city's Department of Transportation. A new report shows police in California shot more Hispanics last year than any other ethnicity. The State Attorney General's Annual Use of Force Report shows that of the six hundred and twelve civilians involved in an officer's use of force, forty eight percent were Hispanic, twenty

five percent were white, and nineteen percent were black. The report also shows that of the five hundred and ninety seven situations where a gun was used and resulted in serious injury or death, seventy five percent happened during a traffic or pedestrian stop. And a study has found a high BMI does not necessarily mean a higher risk of death. Researchers say their work published yesterday shows that BMI

by itself is a poor indicator of health issues. The study, which looked at BMI and the risk of death in more than five hundred and fifty thousand people, compared equal BMIs with different waste circumferences and found that I was looking down and found that waste circumference is actually a better factor to determine health. Last month, the American Medical Association adopted a policy advising doctors to consider other

things like fat distribution, genetics, waste circumference, and muscle mass. We lead local live from the KFI twenty four When He's Room. I'm Jason Middleton. This has been your wake up call. You've been listening to wake up call? You know you can always listen live on kf I Am six forty weekdays from five to six am, and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app

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