In Honor of Breonna

But Happy International Women's Day to you, Mariah. Thanks yeah, which, uh I guess, little Joan fact. International Women's Day started off as International Working Women to Day, as a socialist holiday to celebrate the international female proletariat. So shout out to my my working class ladies everywhere showed out to the pros, the hose and the pros like, what's up? We see you, we see you? So yeah, I don't know,

uh lesser known. It's funny to see it get co opted by uh like corporations and ship I don't know if you saw, like on Twitter today there's this bot that every time a corporation or like a company tweets about international Women's Day, it will retweet it with the pay gap between men and women at that company, and likening is left and right have been like deleting their posts, like I guess you're not going to celebrate women today

because we got called out? That a good thing? Though, isn't that like a good contribution though, Like isn't it isn't that good information to know? Or no? Oh no, it's great, fabulous, Yeah, it's fantastic. I really appreciate that someone took the time out to write that code. But uh, I mean I haven't been able to avoid like the ads and the commercial breaks, Like every YouTube ad is like theme like that I when I'm watching ship But I mean it's it's always funny because it's like dudes.

Whenever I hear like dudes like giving their shout out to International Women's daying, it's like heads always give example examples of women that they know personally, which I guess is unavoidable. But I mean it's like it's definitely supposed to be like a broader celebration. Like for me, it's like, yeah, you don't want to give a shout out to my mom and you've annoyed the ship out of her for your first eighteen, if not forty years of life. So um next um oh yeah, I also shout out to

my godmother May Jamison. You know, yeah, we need to do an episode on her this month. Oh we should? You know we do? Yeah, those Women's History months all month long. Yeah, I don't think, you know, it should be Women's History Month everybody, the same way it should

be Black History Month every month. But you know, I guess if things, if the conditions of society were such that these things wouldn't have to be highlighted as months for the first place, it would just be the way things are and everything, you know, everyone would consider always have this appreciation. Here's the thought, what if everything were about black women all of the time, so it's both of the things together and all of the time and

only that thoughts. I'm with it. I'm with it. I think we're halfway on the way there, because I just came back from the theater from seeing a movie that had a real dope black woman in it. You know what I'm saying. Ze Kravitz was whipping his asses a catwoman in that new Batman. Joy. It was fire. He's check it out. Remember when you remember when we're talking about the matrix a couple of weeks ago or a month ago or so, like it's the complete opposite of

the major So like, what do you mean good? Yeah, like good you know what I'm saying with like good acting and that's still the opposite of bad. Like I'm just checking in a point of view. You know, it was not it was dope, though I recommend we I'll gush over it. It's some other day. But women's Women's International Women's Day. What are we talking about? So this week, you know, it's Women's History Month, It's Women's International Women's

Day today. So this week we're paying tribute to a woman we lost almost two years ago to the day, Brianna Taylor um Last week her one of the officers involved in her death, Brett Hankinson, was found was acquitted of charges of wanted endangerment for shooting into her neighbor's apartment. It's not even four her murder, so his only consequences

he got fired, only consequences that they got fired. So yeah, we're gonna be talking a little bit about all of that, revisiting the case, also talking a little bit about the ratio of racial violence acains black women in terms of just like Black Lives Matter movement, and then no Knock raids, which are still a thing now and ever worsening crisis

in some ways. If you look over the last couple of decades and just kind of talk about like black people's rights to defend ourselves or lack their own, you know what, that just made me think of you saying that. So George Floyd died, Ranna Taylor died, and Marda Arebury died. Motherfucker is marsh for that whole summer, right, And two years later people are still getting shot from No Knock awards.

We didn't we weren't even able to change that, Whereas like the fucking January six, motherfucker's did their right it they're legitimate, like assault on the state. And a year later, like thirty states have implemented all these ridiculous Republican laws in anti voting legislation, and you're like that, see how

that ship works. It's just and that's one topic I want to get to later on in the show is like revolution fatigue of like a prettyular on the left of like there's a catalytic moment and everyone takes to the streets and then like nothing happens and everyone stops. I'm like, I think it's going to require a little more persistence than that, people, and so like what do we do about that question? But yeah, we're gonna get into all of that today, but first we'll take a

little break and we'll be back after the jump. All right, ladies and gentlemen, party people in the place to be are listening to waiting our reparations. We are back. So, Mariah, this case I didn't why is it? Do you think that this didn't make the news like that? Do you

think it's because there's so much going on? Because truth be told, I didn't know about this until we were getting ready to uh do this episode, and I guess I kind of fell into that malaise that everybody else fell into where it's like, okay, Derek Chopin went to jail. I guess everything's gonna work itself out in this case kind of went out of sight, out of mind. So no, absolutely, I feel like this has been This has garnered surprisingly

mute response. Little little I haven't seen it anywhere, I mean, like topic, I haven't seen a hashtag, nothing, Nope, nope, And like any other day, you know, people hashtag say her name all that stuff, And yeah, I think that does come down to what I talked about at the top about like quote unquote like revolution fatigue. That's not

a good term for listeners. If you have a good better term for that, holla me d MS on Instagram or something revolutions though, I mean it's not it's not the most flattering I guess phrase coming depending on your point of view, but it sounds accurate. People a part of this don't even aren't even about revolution. I don't even think of what that either, because that sounds like

messy and auchi. But you know, it's all some people out here like just want the ba the bare minimum, like no knockerdes to not happen anymore period, you know, and like we haven't even gotten that, but like it's just it's so exhausting. I mean, and during at the time, like white folks were getting made at the time, like you know, upright to white folks were getting made fun of for like talking about like ally ship fatigue, like oh,

I'm so tired of being an ally. I'm so exhausted from being in the streets because it is traumatic, like putting your body on the line against the cops, Like what do I Am I gonna die today? I'm gonna lose an eye to day? Am I gonna like cry today? Am I gonna eat some fries that? You know what? Like not knowing what's gonna happen, And so it's exhausting.

It is austing, but contributing factor might be just some of the ways in which we consume media now where it's like everybody has a short attention span, and yeah, the twenty four hour news cycle doesn't help because there's always a new calamity, like literally every single day, UM, there are increasing numbers of people who have utterly lost

faith in UM the criminal legal system like that. That's you know, it's become a very mainstream understanding that justice does not come through like the punishment bureaucracy, like after a mod the mod are very verdict. You saw so many like you know, Senator Warnock and like all these like progressive organizations and politicians talking about how true justice could not be gained through a verdict because true justice would be a mod are very still being with us today.

And the fact that people are willing to acknowledge that

now very mainstream figures people a lot of power. Just shows how much the Overton window has shifted on this you, but it also explains why like kind of nobody, like very few people have given a funk about this because it's like, well, of course not like impunity remains the status quo for police officers, like the overwhelming majority of cases, it took nationwide rioting in order for us to even get um Derek Chauvin arrested, like protesting, but also like

I nation my protesting. But but I've been talking about this lately. I think that non violence only works because the implication of violence. So like non violence marching and all that, ship only works because they're scared that you will burn ship to the ground. They're like, oh my god,

this mob. What if we don't appease them? And they like, you know, a store in the capital, right, and so yes, peaceful protests, but also I imagine the the you know, burn ing up the third Precincts in Minneapolis, didn't you know. I'm sure that contributed somewhat to them being like, oh ship, we better fucking do something. Are weird. Definitely did definitely did not at all advocating for those tactics, but I'm sure it weighed heavily on their minds and they were like,

do we actually hold the people accountable? What? Really don't? Right? I really don't. Do you remember me enough that night when that move when the precincting Minneapolis were burned down, like I felt like, I was like, wow, this is a new day's here. I don't didn't want to wake up to this day. But here we are coffee and get on the bus. Well, we might be dropping the lead a bit. So just to get everybody caught up to speed, so exactly tell tell them what the situation

is with Rihanna Taylor's case. Okay, So I mean just to review the facts. March Um, Jonathan Maddenly, Burt Haikison, and Miles Cosgrove, three agents of the Louisville Metro Police Department, forced entry into Brian Taylor's department and as part of an investigation for drug dealing, and they thought her boyfriend Um was the drug dealer. Her boyfriend thought the officers were breaking in trying to you know, rob them or something,

and fired a warning shot at them. Um. The officers fired through two shots in return, killing Taylor but on but um Walker was uninjured, her boyfriend Tyler Walker, and so UM in the aftermath, Walker was charged with I think it was attempted murder, later dropped you know charges. But um, the Brent Hakison was brought up on UM

was indicted for wanted endangerment. So the a G the Attorney General of Kentucky, did not give the jury the option to um try him for any kind anything connected with was already predetermined that that wasn't a crime, that's not something make an indict him on. So they gave the jury the option and the grand jury to bring him up on charges of one daydreamant for endangering her neighbors by firing randomly. Right. So um, that's where we

were at. UM up until about last week. We had a bunch of you know rappers from Kanye Little Baby donated and supported Brianna's family's legal team. She showed up in a variety of songs, including Tiana Taylor's self directed UM music video last year where she dressed up like Brianna Taylor in her A M T uniform. It was kind of like cringe, but like a thing that happened. But um, but yeah, so UM, here we are Brett

Hakison was fired. UM. The city of Louisville did agree to pay Taylor's family twelve million dollars and reform police practices. But UM, Ultimately Hankinson was acquitted of all of all charge. It's never charged with her death. Actually, UM, Miles Cosgrove was often with her. Ballistics determined that he was the actually the person that killed Brianna, but he was never charged with anything. Brend Hagison acquitted of one endangerment. Only

only consequences he faced was being fired. And it's my understanding the other two. Sure, let me look this up a quick. I think the ELECTI still work for police department. Do you know, UM, when this verdict was reached or when the when it was dropped or whatever? Um, the first things first, let me see if this guy still works for UM. He was acquitted UM four days ago. Okay, so four days ago didn't even make a blip. I

didn't hear anything about that whatsoever. Um. Yeah, So I mean this like all fits like a trend, like a going trend of like during these you know, with all of with the fervor that gets you know, the comes up when these sort of incidents happen. It definitely seems like there's an imbalance of the attention against when it happens to a black woman as opposed to when it

happens to a black man. Now, I mean, it definitely doesn't sound circumstantial because like the cases in the black women are just as tragic and just as chaotic, more newsworthy or whatever sensational, whatever you want to apply to it. That makes these things like big stories and people like in the public lexicon and ship. So, I mean, what's going on here? I mean, I do think it ultimately

is a matter of like of the media. I don't think it's a case of like these communities themselves not raising this issue and raising Hell, it's whether or not it turns into a movement regionally or nationally, by whether or not it's getting picked up by CNN and to

what degree the protests on the ground are getting covered. Um. So, like, I just can't explain it any other way because particularly with the way that they like contemporary incarnation of the Black Lives Matter movement are really the whole time it's been led by black women who have insisted that all Black lives matter, centering trans folks and centering queer folks

and women and all like all of us. Um. But really it's just I think I just think it comes down to the media, what they report on, what stories they think are important, um, and the way that then allows these stories to catch fire in the public imagination and inspire wider um um awareness and action. Because I think, for example, okay, so think about a mod are very So people out in Brunswick were like raising, how about a mod are very way before that video came out.

They knew something was fucky about the whole situation, but it wasn't until the video came out and that got picked up by the national media and national pundits and activists that that whole ship popped off because it got into the national media um. And so I think that's the case of a lot of these black women were like around. I mean, the video is key. Unfortunately, like people have to see it with their own eyes to

actually be upset about it. Um. Increasingly so now that we are paying closer attention and also not because we're all exhausted from how much attention be paid to it in the last two years. But yeah, I mean, ultimately, I don't know how it's explained it. I mean, yeah, that's I think that's exactly what it is. It's like it it's fucked up because like the video really is the key. It's like, especially now, you know, people have

to have that visual stimulat. I mean, you know this, you make music, it's like you know, it's it's kind of not even worth putting out us all unless you have something visual for people to look at. Now, So maybe there's something like that because our brains are geared towards seeing that that when we see the MODBA you know, like you said, the mode auberating situation happened way before anybody saw that tape, But seeing that tape is what kind of spurned that and made that thing that went

into you know, the public consciousness and stuff. Same thing with George Floyd, whereas we didn't have a tape or Brianna Taylor and what would even be saying Brianna Taylor's name today if George Ford hadn't been killed two months later, Like you know, we we heard about that ship, like you know, her her death came days before the pandemic really hit the United States, and folks were like, oh, that's sucked up and sad, But then I didn't do

anything until we watched George Floyd die. I mean you know where I was there, you know, like I was saying even back then, like I even wonder if any of that ship would have happened if we weren't in the pandemic, Like I'm mad, I'm not even sure about that that I wanted to a degree as well, the pandemic has influenced that sense of revolution fatigue, where like people were also experienced pandemic fatigue, and like you know, at the time, we're like folks then felt like there

was no other option to hit the streets. Now there's like, well, you know, I'm vaccinated, but I'm not boosted, and like, you know, doing this dance around what's safe and what's not in the more like a more thought full place. Then at the time we were like, don't you know, give me, give me the coronavirus. I'm out here, I'm out here in these streets. I don't give a damn um. So what are some other cases that have Like I mean, I know the one that happened in a Columbus, Ohio

with are you pronouncing McKay bryant? Oh? That was actually she was in a like a fist fight in her yard and that's how she got So also like whatever happened with that, never heard about that again thanks to national media. Appreciate you for that. But um, real quick though, I wanted to bring up two other women that we're killed that like note like people didn't like have never talked about the same way they have talked about male

counterparts have a similar kind of death. So Ianna Stanley Jones seven year old, um, you know cost bus in her house and actually shot her dead, no outcry whatsoever. Comparable with like Trayvon Martin that happened a couple of years later, Like tray Bond was definitely like a like a critical moment with like Black Lives Matter, I think of like growing awareness, growing movement action nationwide in the modern era. That probably kicked it off. I mean what

was that? It was like I would say that like after that and then Mike Brown a couple of years after that, that was kind of the start. Ferguson was like the real like pop off. But yeah, but yeah, Trayvon was like the definitely planning the seeds of that and then going even farther back. I mean, I got a song on this of a new album that we played on the tow last week talking about the killing Natasha Harlan's shop sixteen year old girl, you know, shot

in the convenience store. The um killer like pretty much got like a fine and like community service for like murdering a teenager. Um and so on the ground, people on the ground in Los Angeles. This was a big deal. This was fucked up. But it wasn't until the video of any King getting his aspeat that like the l A riots popped off. So I mean that that visual element though, you know, like a visual element though, I mean, you're right, You're right. I mean part of it is

seeing it with your own eyes. Um. Yeah, So we're going through that again again, and we're still going through ship with no knock warrants to this day. Um so let's talk a little bit about what those are. I'll let you take it. Talked a lot. No knocks are issued under the belief that any evidence they hope to find maybe destroyed between the time the police identify themselves and the time that they secure the area, or in the event of where a large perceived threat to the

officer's safety during the execution of a war. So in other words, like you know, if they think somebody's gonna go flush some drugs down the toilet, or if they think that somebody's particularly dangerous at the minute that they hear police that they'll pull out a gun and start spraying at the door. Pretty much, it's like a paranoia or fear that every situation they're going to get in is going to turn into die hard partly, you know

what I'm saying. So, so that's that's that's kind of you know, that's a layman's logic behind the idea of a or not. So why is it so persistent? Why

do they use no knock so persistently? I mean, I think it's to do with the militarization of the police since the nineteen eighties, where it's just like because they can, they will, because they've been given more tools, the flash playing grenades and the and the armor and the drones and all this ship they're just like, well we have it, why not you know, and that um yeah, you know, LARPing,

you know, loving the power play or whatever. Um. Also as a function of like creating dangerous situations for themselves where there isn't actually a threat to like really to like reinforce their own unders like their own beliefs about

how danger us the job is. So for example, like you know, policing is not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs in the country, most cops, most you know, or like coronavirus, These COVID killed more cops than anything else, than anything else, anything else, And so they're like, Okay, we need to create this really tense situation to make ourselves feel scared, to like justify how scared feel about this job. Yeah, person, like you know, inventing threats where

there are none. Um So, the use of no knock worms increased substantially over time. By one estimates, there was fift hundred annually in the eighties, whereas by there were sixty thousand and seventy thousand no knocks or quick knock rates conducted by local police annually, the majority of which we're looking for marijuana. So they definitely just fucking just

blow your mind. Yeah, we'd a plant I plan. I could walk down the look, I can walk down the street smoke at a joint full of dried tobacco plant and that's cool. But if that dried plant is weed, I can be put into metal shackles, strip searched, deprived of sunlight, um, deprived of contact with my family, Like what the what? What? What? What are we still doing?

Even even if you wanted to, like let's say you just even if you wanted to give an inch to the argument and be like, Okay, no, you you might need this, you know, for the things that you encounter

when you're you know, serving a warrant or whatever. Even just thinking about, like from a practical nature, like if it were to go wrong, the repercussions of that with it seems like, you know, that should influence several hundred thousand judges to not give out sixty and seventy thousand of these damned things in a year, you know what I'm saying, Like you burst them the wrong person's ship obviously, like you drop a flash bang in a baby's crib,

blind them, You go into something, you see somebody on the couch, they're surprised, you shoot them. Everybody. There's three hundred million guns floating around the country. Everybody's got one.

And then you're getta like burst into my house. And in my house that is like you're just gonna burst in That's what's crazy, is that, Like, that's how you that's how you know that the ship is not happening to people who quote unquote matter because if they had to live with even the possibility of the threat, if there was even the possibility of the threat, then a swat team could bust into Elon Musk house accidentally and spray them up or spray ups you know what I'm saying,

Like they wouldn't be doing that ship. Now, you're right though, You're right though, and like our our right to like what is our right to defend ourselves. They had an episode on this recently, but like and one of these, well it wasn't a super recent case. I think it was two thousand six, but two year old lady Katherine Johnson here in Atlanta assumed her home was being invaded during a no knock raid and tired a warning shot over the officer's head. Has anyone ever do if there

as their house is getting busted too? But police fired thirty nine shots in response, five of which hit this ninety two year old lady and one of the officers, who was Atlanta convicted of planning three bags of marijuana in her home and then the others. I mean, this is a rare case. Why you're saying the next one? I need to find out what the hell happened to

those cops. No, so okay. So one of the officers was convicted for planning weed in their house, and then the other officers involved the raid UM were convicted of manslaughter, of making fall statements, conspiracy to bylight civil rights um result saying in someone's death, feel like that they were actually held accountable for this, but like nothing's gonna bring

you know, their grandma, their mom, their neighbor. They're like, you know the old church lady that brings the fruit, bread or whatever like that she's dead and so like it's a banana that she was, like that I want to bring into her house. So she fired a warning shot and they just like literally unloaded with Like does that sound like anyone who is trying, like who's number one priority is like protecting life and protecting the peace

and trying to make sure that nobody gets her? Does a bunch of yah who's firing letting off thirty nine rounds? Is that? You know what I mean? I'm not like I've never been an operator or a military guy or anything like that. But that sounds like, hey man, if if you don't want to like hit somebody who doesn't deserve to be hit, like would you just go into

somewhere shooting thirty nine times? Or or if you're so petrified that like you heard a gunshot, warning shot or no. And this is all of this what I'm saying is why I'm not a cop. But it's like, if you hear a gunshot, warning shot or no, in your immediate response is to just unload your gun in a direction until it's empty. That doesn't that doesn't sound like good

police work. I mean yeah, And that's why I've increasingly come to refer to police and prison supremacy in this country that like this, like policing in prisons matter more than like anything like collateral damage of like killing a child or in person falsely and you know, um, imprisoning someone for decades um for a crime it didn't commit,

Like none of the ship matters. Um. The thing that matters most is like keeping the system propped up protecting the people that are killing the people, Like that's the number one thing. And so like the term supremacy invokes usually you here in in in relation to like white supremacy, and they are interlinked. But it's like a way to refer to the way to the mattering of these institutions

more so than human life. That someone protecting yourself. Like if I, for some reason it was a police officer, I would be like, all right, kill me before I gotta kill you. What I mean, Like, I'm here to

protect and serve the public. I'm willing to, like actually willing to lay down my life, Like if someone I think it's firing warning shot, like because I'm breaking into their house and they shoot me, Like that is the a's part of the duty, Like I wanted to be that way that situation should rise, but it's literally the job.

That's the thing. Is Like the whole entire idea behind a police officer being a hero or you like having like the like being like a heroic figure in society is based on the like premise that you're endangering your life, that you're sacrificing your life and your well being in your safety for the good of everybody else, Like a police job is supposed to be I'm gonna risk my life to protect everybody else, Not I'm gonna risk everybody else's life so I can feel safe. I can fuck

do that ship. Yeah you know what I mean, don't let me do it. Yeah, I'm five six a hundred thirty five pounds when I have changed in my pocket. Like yeah, if like, if I get into any sort of like scuffle or altercation, I'm fighting for my life. You'd rather be just I don't know, you know, I don't want to be clear because I don't want to like talk about whose lives matter. More like in this instance,

it's it's really that this is an avoidable situation. Like they were coming after this little while with lady for weed. Next case we're gonna talk about they're coming after the guy for like fifty dollars worth of meth. Much like got this bad? Really wish people weren't doing that. But also like these situations don't have to arise at all if we treated this like the public health crisis that it is with regards to more serious, more serious substances

than wed because weed is not even a problem at all. Um, But yeah, it's bananas. It's bananas. We live in a police supremacist state. But to move on to another story from Georgia, another pleasant one. Actually this is oh this is a lot. But Cornelia, Georgian Um, a police informant, alleged that he bought fifty bucks worth of meth from this thirty year old dealer at a residence belonging to his mother. Um wan is Dona Teva. No, I don't want. I don't want to kind of want to. Don't want

to say because I'm messing up. I think. I mean we try, Okay, one is don't Yeah, I don't know. I just to keep over it. So this man did not proside at the house. Um, but you know who did? A family with four young children. So uh Sheriff's deffie for Cornelia secure to know not warrant um and uh you know just apparently woke up the county magistrate at his house and like making false statements to him to

secure the warrant. But in any case, they executed the warrant throwing a flash band grenade into a room containing a nineteen month old child. Um. The grenade exploded in the child's playpen, causing severe burns and other life certaining injuries that ultimately required the child to be placed into a medical coma, and received more than one million dollars in surgery. So this became a subject of a lawsuit

against the police department to pay for the medical bills. Um. You know, the legal case argued that like there's literally like a child plastic pool in the yard and packaging for the play plan playpen, that the infant was sleeping in next to the door that the police came in, and like there was literally like evidence everywhere on their approach that they are a children, but children lived in this house. Um, Like, what kind of gross negligence could

you imagine beyond this? I'll tell you what type of GRESSI negligens is they don't recognize that as being a human child. Let's just keep it all right. It's depends on the neighborhood they're in and where the cops who are doing the ship are front. You know what I'm saying.

If they're walking, if they're in a black neighborhood or whatever, and they see a kids pool, that doesn't register to those dudes who are all geared up in their ship with their MP five ready to go, Like they're not thinking, oh, there's there's children running around. That's just what it comes down to. It's like a lack of like it's like a lack of empathy fee like you know what I'm saying, like a lack of recognizing the humanity and others really plainly,

plainly yeah yeah. And the way that fear points into that and to sort of say, well, I fear from my life to just completely erased and minimize any sorts of situational awareness or concern for other human life that comes into a situation like this, where like if you're scared enough, you can say like, oh, well I was, you know, terrified, and so I didn't see the child's

plastic pool in the yard. And it's like because the police supremacy is like, oh, that's a that's a that's a you know, a good enough, yeah, good enough excuse. You're cool and things are bad, things are bad enough if you even just say, hey, shit happens, you know what I mean, Like even even just chalking stuff up to hey, this is their job. Sh It happens, and you know, it sucks that that little girl got burned

or that person had to die or whatever. But like even doing that is and this is how you know, conservatives and right wingers are full of shit about it. But even doing that is like making the like the mental lead that people generally aren't like really that corrupt that heart or at nature, which is like the whole

conservative like mindset. So you're let you're giving police in general in these institutions all this power and all this unaccountability and you're not even factoring into it, Like, Yo, what if what if some of this ship was deliberately done? You know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, you've had you've had gangs, gang units busted and cops doing illegal stuff. You had you had cops arrested for they're selling drugs. You've had the cops cover up murders and stuff like that.

So like, let police like have this sort of like to have let them have this power is assuming that you know, somebody won't use the excuse of a no not warrant to make a hit on someone, thinking about like a civil asset forfeiture and their ability to just like steal stuff from people. Swatting Yeah, yeah, all that ship um just like yeah calling in swat hits on

people like oh, this person is making a bomb. So you can like here's a question if somebody, let's say somebody called let's say somebody swatted someone else, right, and the cops. You know, the cops did they're no, they're no, not thing or whatever. In some in the homeowner got shot and they found out who the person was who called in that swatting. Would the district attorney try that person for murder? No, because it enabled them to like because going in there just like an out of controlled

death squad. Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean there's a way in which like, yeah, I don't know, I am am I making some am I saying? Am I saying that clear enough? But maybe I didn't know, And I don't know. I don't I don't know like case history about whether that has ever happened. I don't think it has happened, But I think I think the day that that happens

is gonna be one hell of the case. Well, I mean, you know, I don't want to say for certain, but like it just it feels to me that if a district attorney can press charges on someone for attempted murder for them calling the cops on somebody else, like you kind of you know what I mean, Like you're it's like, yeah, what else did you expect the cops to do except

go kill that person? It's pretty much homeboy. Yeah. But um, thankfully, the county did end up paying this family three point six million dollars, including UM one point six billion for pain and suffering, so the child surgeries were covered. But the search yielded no drugs, no drug drug dealer, no weapons, and the grand jury in Happerston County UM declined to

indict any of the participants in this raid. UM though ultimately the federal federal prosecutors did secure an indictment against one of the deputies, but then she was acquitted by any wrong for any wrongdoing. Uh So it's like back and forth like, oh, maybe the fans will do it. Oh, the fans aren't gonna do it all maybe no, no, no, no no, And it just comes down to money. They're just like, oh, here's some money for all your pain and suffering and a lifetime of trauma. Have a good time.

You know, it doesn't it doesn't ring back what you lost. You know what might cut down on police brutality if like someone makes uh strong effort to go after prosecute

prosecutor misconduct and stuff. You know what I'm saying, Like, if if prosecutors have to start paying like gigantic fines or they start losing you know, they're there ability to practice law or ship like that when when like cases that they tried turns out the person was innocent, you know what I mean, or that they unfairly went after. I think you can probably bring a several suit against someone for like wrongful conviction. I don't know, I need

to not talk about you. I don't know about I know, I don't know that, but um no, yeah, but like if you're like paying fine, paid a fine to who a higher chord that's also super corrupt, Like I don't know, it's it's turtles all the way down. Man, It's fucked up. It's not it's m well, um, let's take a little break and then let's come back with some final thoughts on this issue, because you know, we we definitely don't want to keep it all doom and gloom and stuff

like that. So we will take a break and we'll be right back. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back. Dope. Nice La Franco waiting on reparations. You know what it is? So Mariah, what are you? What are your parting thoughts on this? Like? What what can I mean? What can we do? I don't even want to ask, like, what can we do to bring awareness to the sort of thing, because, like you said, it's not about Wayne, which case matters more, And like a lot of that stuff, you know, you

can't really control it. Some thing's for you know, for good or bad. Like some things just like catch the public's attention in public eye comes out the right time, the right moment and the right context and whatever. So what are some of the things that people can do just generally to raise awareness about these cases that slipped

through the cracks in general? Well, I think what this, all of this tells us that no one remembers Iron Stanley Jones, that people didn't talk about a mirror lock twenty year old killed in a no knock raid maybe about a month ago in Minneapolis. Minneapolis the police department, which is like notoriously one of the most corrupt and violent in the country. Like, raising awareness isn't doing it.

I think that when we come back to this question of like quote unquote revolution fatigue, where people are just so tired of hearing about it, sadly is that folks who were new to this and have been more aware of it ever since and trying to struggle against it even if superficially did not have robust resiliency practices in place to carry them through how long this fight will

require of us? So, um, folks, just we are throwing themselves out there every single day and giving themselves p atsd getting you know, getting secondary drama from like watching all this death on social media and they didn't have like just living in a capitalist like society. Don't we lean on consumerism to make us feel better by like, oh, let me order some uber eats, let me watch the next episode of euphoria, let me buy a new hoodie on you know, Instagram shop, which is what I do.

I have a retail therapy problem. Yeah check out Yeah where in my like for for everyone collective to reabilitate the carcerat shirt because that was to make me feel better when I'm tired and sad. But um, so yeah, we don't know how to just care for each other like deeply, and um we need to build that kind of practice in order to sustain our engagement with with

the truth. You know, people raise awareness and people. For us to truly continue to engage with it, we have to be ready to by like being in a deeply grounded place. I think there's additional value to that in that some like folks of like an abolitionist strain, they don't funk with the state at all. They like, the government ain't never gonna get us free. I kind of get it. Having worked in the government, I'm like, Wow,

this ship really isn't getting people free. That's weird. Um. And so it's like it's us, we keep us safe, that's it. And so thinking about that in terms of like longevity of the struggle, like, all right, we're gonna take care of each other to help us get through this because we've gotta keep fighting. But also if the state's not gonna give you the substance of you s treatment or the mental health counseling or the community garden or whatever you need to promote community stability, you go

out and do that. Shape yourself so bold in terms of like a like a practice to keep yourself sane, and also a way to minimize the reach of like state violence by just being like, you know, we don't even need to We don't. We don't even need five of them around here. We like do our own thing. We're good. Um, It's like a way forward that I think, Um, it's worth considering because I don't know, I think right when is it's getting raised, that's just getting retweets or whatever,

and it has the five minute segment on CNN. But those people don't know how to like be well enough to keep it, to keep engaging, to keep acting on it because they're fucking quote quote tired. You know. Well, one of the things that y'all can do is check out the National Police Accountability Project and other organizations like that. Um, you know, see if there's any volunteering things you can do. Retweet a post, donate, if you can stuff like that.

There's there's definitely people who are out there doing your work. And you know, it's just like Mariah just said, it's just gonna take like a collective consciousness to get these things done. Ship, throw me some money if you throw money around Venmo, Yeah about here every day, baby, I need that over eats. I love consumerism. I need a couple waiting on reparations. You know, we're always writing yeah from Atrey month, like, bitch, what what are you doing? Well? Ship?

I mean, right now is what they're doing. I can hear it. Why why don't we vent it? Hey, why don't we vent Let's let's get into some rapping. But before we get into some rabbing, there's something I wanted

to talk to you about. I want to talk to you about it, like while the show is on, not like off anything like that, but we we've had this idea like sort of like bubbling an exception since the beginning of this podcast, and I kind of just want to talk to you about it so that everybody can hear us, because like I want them to anticipate it to what we've been kind of talking about doing an episode where we're completely rapping and whatever it is we're

talking about that the entire the entire topic of the episode. We're going to discuss it in the form of rap. It's going to be very difficult and logistically challenging for the two of us to do with our schedule, But I know Mariah knows, and all the people who work on this show knows that when we do get it, it's gonna be kind of fucking amazing. I have I have, I have confidence in our team. We'll we'll get it right. But anyway, y'all look out, that's to be something that's

gonna come soon. Maybe Mariah can do a poll as to what the topic will be because of debate might actually be the best way to go about it. Oh like back, oh like ba yeah, rap debate about whether hot dogs were a sandwich? And Mariah was pro when when you were proer against? I think I was pro, And I also think I was pro and that I won. And I was like, yeah, I think you want to because who the hell thinks? Yeah, like, who the hell thinks that hot dogs aren't a sandwich? Yeah? Well know

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