From Chile to Illinois

My kid finishing up some antibiotic grounds and rappings the presents. Uh yeah, are you doing the whole Are you doing the whole family thing? First of all? Like, like, you know, just just so that week and our our guests can be a little of you know, climate to you. Why don't you just tell him about yourself? Oh no, no, job, these mothers know you already. Yeah. I'm a former Army ranger, but currently I mostly surfing, take care of my two kids,

Zoe and Avery. That's my day. How's your week, Marien? Um, it's been good. This is my first couple of days of vacation. I'm taking two eggs off of commissioning to sort of recharge because that ship will beat the hell out of you. Um And so yeah, I'm just kicking back rewatching the Matrix trilogy in preparations for the new film, which I'm very excited about. You I see that, I see that. That's that's scrooge E look on your face, sir,

What do you I mean? I don't know, man, I'm not gonna I don't like hating on anything that I haven't seen, so I'm gonna refrain from passing down any sort of judgment. But you know, I'm like a Matrix stam. I was. I was one of those weirdos back in high school where I honestly could sit down and just pantomime the entire movie for you, like in person, with all the pauses and the beats and the dialogue and like inflections like I was. I was nutsle with him

like that. So I can't nobody downplay my Matrix bona Fetus. But at the same time, it looks you know what, It doesn't look bad to me. It just looks like a regular movie. And that's what has me feeling like, you know, I feel like if you put everybody in the like just from looking at the trailer, if everybody was dressed as Iron Man in Captain America, it would look like a Marble movie. And that's that's what's gotta be. Like, got your little shook, Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it'll

be I'm sure it'll be dope. Now, will it be like the matrix to sound like some nerd like, Well, actually, I just I just don't know how matrix I want to say, I don't know. I don't know how the new one's going to be. But the old ones hold up. God's running around doing karate and computer ship. Everybody got the slim little sunglasses on. Cornell West is in the second one. I don't know if y'all remember that, remember that, Yeah, he's in that ship. That's probably my first like where

I first started hearing about Cornell West. The corporate goons are the bad guys. Love that, And then you get to the Resistance underground and it's all steam punkin and like everybody's all tribal and ship. It's beautiful. Dude. They couldn't they couldn't have just like done a little bit of tweak to the wardrobe though, I mean, Kanus straight up looked like then they came to the from the John Wick for shoot on his lunch break to go, they were just like, Yo, you don't even gotta bother

to cut your hair, cab. It was like, Yo, where'd you get those clothes? The matrix? Every time he box on a John Wicks set, they just everybody's just biting their tongue wanting to say it, but they can't. I mean, it's Kanu not just the same character in every film. He just walks from set to set wearing the same fucking flowing black robe and sunglasses and just like I know, like same, like you know intonation lists, just staring with his mouth slightly cave. There's an analogy I always like

to make Wick Keanu is. I would always say Keyana Reeves is the Nellie of actors because he's not really that good, but most of the joints that he's inter dope. Yeah. I mean, so it's like the same way with Nellie. It's like somebody could Benchermon like, oh I don't like his style, he's not using enough bars, and that might be true to you, but like hot in here Ei, like all that ship was dope. So people can like shoot out canaries and be like he doesn't have range.

He plays the same character, but literally at least for the last few years or so. You know what I'm saying. I'd say his his ratio is about fifty fifty. You know what I'm saying. I think for like each one that you don't remember, there's like John Wick or like, oh man, he was in the Matrix. Oh he was in that one. You know. So Cannery's batting averages for you know what I'm gonna see. I'm just gonna shut up. I'm gonna see it. It looks cool, you know, let's

see it. Yeah. Actually, I need to bring back the Green Tent. And then I'm kind of nervous. There's only one of the only one with Chowski. I need. I need both with Chowskis on my movies, you know what I'm saying. Like we have both of them on speed Racer, we have both of them on the first three Batrix. I want both of them on this one. But we gotta take make do what we got. So yeah, speaking of making do and what we got, we got a

lot of different things to talk about this week. We're gonna just kind of go through some of the recent happenings from Obama's music picks of the year to some ship going down in Latin America. We're talking about what's going on Fox News and potential coop coop coop. I remember the first time I ever read the word coop and I said it out loud, dumb, and somebody made fun of me like I never said, I never said that word before. I'm sorry, I don't know I didn't

have have silent p on the end. But anyway, we're gonna have all that and more for y'all after the jump. All right, everybody, we are back with our pre holiday is are we gonna? Are we gonna be back before New Year's Um? I mean we can. I was playing doing an episode next week, Okay, yeah, so then yeah, well I guess we'll be back pre neier. But we

are going to be doing this before Christmas. So as we get ready for the Christmas cheer, we're gonna run down some very depressing story, so depressing news stories for y'all. Just give our thoughts about it. So first up, Mariah,

what you got? Okay? So, I mean this is perhaps the source of cheer to some Obama put out his annual list of his favorite songs from the year went Admittedly to me, feels a little bit tone death in the face of, you know, the mas and miseration we as a society are facing at the this pinnacle of late stage capitalism. So what do you have? But yeah, I'd like Nobody by Nas and Lauren Hill, which I personally thought was a banger. Montero my Little not X

also a banger. Head Shots I'd say ever Shot also a banger. Um a Ventura by Bad Bunny was up there. So, like, you know, his his taste runs the gamut. I think it's something for which he's very proud and tends to boast this time of everywhere here like, oh, I'm so worldly. It wasn't all the ship. But I mean, why, like why do I first of all, why do you all think he does this over here? I think that I think it's like some pr stuff, you know what I mean.

It's it's it's considering that he's been doing it consistently since his left office. It's one of those sort of things that you can make like a press release about and you know it just it continues on the quote unquote legacy or the myth of Obama and just you know, maintains his cultural if I don't think, yeah, I was gonna say, I just don't think he wants to end up on a ranch doing paintings for the rest of his life. You know what I'm saying. They don't have

a good track record. This is his that, this is his that Yeah, yeah, I do. I do gotta say, though, you know, I think it's I think it's lame to be honest with you, especially for what he for what it for, what it is now, because it is kind of like a taste, a taste making playlist for you know, like liberal the liberal masses to follow Obama. So I don't know, it seems like it would be iller if he used it like Oprah used to use her her

book club list. You remember that, You remember how like like like off writers who hadn't yet broken nationally would kind of like that would be their thing, like oh man, like Oper included me on her on her book that.

So it would be kind of cool if the list was filled with I'm not talking about like super super little motherfucker's like me or anything like that, if I just mean, you know, like some not like the most popular, if the if the three random things that you read out are like some of the most popular artists in the world, it just seems kind of I don't know, though,

for the Democratic Party, it's kind of ballsy. Like imagine Hillary if Hillary Clinton came out with that list, Clinton coming out with bud In, Isaia Shot and Little Not definitely, but maybe I'm wrong. What do you think I wouldn't believe her. I mean, like I've got hot sauce in my hand. That's what I wouldn't believe for like something consultant like handing her a list of songs that she's supposed to like. So then we do are we all? Then?

Are we all sitting here thinking that that Obama is actually like oh man, I bumped Isaiah shot in bad Buddy. Maybe I don't know. I hate to think that it's so dry. It just sounds like an elevator in his house. I don't know. I feel like that's wrong. I don't know Obama I would I don't know. I would be shocked if just like if if you could be like a fly on the wall, I would be shocked if Michelle in in Obama aren't listening to you know, late late eighties early nineties type stuff, you know, I mean

like Obama is like, yo, I'll make huge. Yeah you're fifty that you you know, it makes sense that you're you know that you're you're bumping like maybe you're looking for the new post and didn't go some styles peace that dropped something, you know like that. That to me seems like, yeah, that's what was out when Obama was in his like late twenties and early thirties and trip like that. Like, I don't think Obama's listening to a

bad buddy, but that's just me. Well, what I found really interesting about this list is that it also um featured an anti communist joint that we talked about actually on our Cuba episode. It's called Patria Vida Evita Um, which is if you recall, list has never recalled the titles a twist and a slogan popularized by Fidel Castro

in the n Revolution of Patriot Fatherland or death. And so these anti communist rappers, some of them were expats, you know, living in Miami or whatever, trained to sprays into Patria Vita Fatherland and life calling for an end to the socialist government in Cuba. And some folks have said that this track is even like a CIA plant. There's actually a long history of the CIA using arts to to destabilize or undermine left wing governments, including in Cuba.

UM and so I just thought it was really funny um on their particularly considering, you know, under his presidency policy, relations between the US and Cuba relaxed. Um they left the travel restrictions. UM. Yeah, reopen their respective embassies and stuff like that. UM. And I actually learned that all of that was facilitated by Pope Francis. I don't know if y'all know a lot about Grope Francis. I don't know a lot about most popes, but I'm just gonna

go ahead and say that Pope Francis is probably my favorite. UM. In his speeches, he's like endorsed you b I and like urged like a radical response to climate change. But anyway, so he was like, yo, Obama have then like y'all need a fucking chill with the embargo on ship and star stuff started getting better. But nonetheless, Uh, it's got

this this joint on his favorite list. Um that may have been that may have been you know, like some way crafted by the C. I I don't know, I think it's definitely politically motivated in my opinion, because, um, you know, like Republicans are making some inroads with the

Latino demographic for various reasons. Very good point, but one of the reasons that that you know, that I've been hearing is, oh, you know, a lot of especially older Latinos, they have like they're they're they're they're more susceptible to the right wing propaganda about socialism and communism and stuff like that. So I think that this, you know, this could be you know, virtues like hey, we're anti communists. I know, I think I'm thinking of the Brazil episode.

But I just remember that part icular song, like I remember that ship being hard as fun. It is kind of the music video already, Like it's actually pretty like it's somewhat of a banger. Yeah, it's see now that one. Whether it's about communists or not, that ship sounds like some ship that Barack Obama was listening to him. Ok, you know what, Like that sounds like some dusty some

dusty boom bout. Although I mean it sounds like a response like do you remember in Seen when it looked like Bernie was going to take the nomination, and you had every large donor go on every news station saying I wish he would just drop the socialist part. And I feel like they have gotten scared, Like that's a scary proposition if I can't make the younger people kind of like glom onto capitalism as it sits and they

start revolting. You have Black Lives Matter talking about police issues, you have ant all the anti fascist movements for clear reasons. I don't know, this seems like a bid for the Democratic Party at least maybe maybe not consciously. I mean, i'd like to think it was. He seems like a tactician in that way, right, He's like the Captain American President. For me, I think it's like a little bit of

a little bit of both. Like I think there's an element of it that is, like, you know, kind of oblivious, like, oh, it's a it's a fluffy playlist and ship like that. But I would not put it past them to be to have that in consideration. I mean, it was it was a big it was a relative. It's a relatively popular song, you know what I mean. It was something that came up in me and Mariah search As when we were talking about Cuba, you know, so yeah, I

can see that well. Speaking of toppling left wing governments, um uh, there is a presidential election in Chile, um Sunday and Gabriel Borick, a leftist millennial who were roast a prominence during anti government protests in two thousand nineteen. They like hiked the subway fairs all across Tile and people lost it and they were like mass protests all over Chili's tule. So he like kind of came up

and all that. He got elected with of the votes, handily defeating uh Jose Antonio cost whose grandfather was an actual Nazi like like like one of the one of the like we fled to South America Nazis. Oh yeah, yeah, like high up in like the Nazi military. Uh never, you know, like yeah and yeah. And so it's in

the aftermath of the election. It's been wild watching outlets like the BBC like interview folks like the grandson of Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet on their networks, and he's on there talking about all the downfall of his great country, like to which I say, l M A O fuck um.

But then one article I read even tried to say that like Chilean Jews were concerned about Boricks pro Palestine stands even though and I repeat, his opponent's grandfather was an actual Nazi um and not to mention, Chile has the largest Palestinian population of any place outside Palestine. So like it's just so funny, like people are just so trying so hard to discredit him doing a really poor job because it's like, bro, like Homie was a Nazi.

You're you're up here dragging out like his the Pinochet's grandchildren from like the basement. Uh right, you have to do one or two things. You have to give something to most people that they did they like and cherish, which is really hard to get through any congressional body, no matter what country you're in, unless you're a dictator or you take away something and blame it on the other guy. That's pretty much how we do it here.

I think that's kind of simplified. But people's brains, I don't know, people's brains be turning into because it's like look for no for real, man, like come on, like like just what is the explanation for that? Like like how like what what cognitance? What dissidence is going on to where you're like, oh man, you're supporting Palestine and the other Niggas and Nazi you know what I mean,

or like you know, related to Nazi. Just there's just there's like a there's like a level of intellectual dishonest that it's like I don't believe you. I don't believe that that's what you're problem is, you know what I'm saying, Like like if somebody's like, oh man, I don't like him because he's he's against Israel, but then you're supporting the other guy, then I just have to like think

that you're being disingenuous from the job. You might like really actually not like the guy for you know, leftist policies or whatever whatever. But I don't think that aspect of the game is really what's upsetting. Does that make sense? Yeah,

for sure. I mean I feel like somebody like they were told to write this or felt like they were they had to like kind of uphold the status quo of like, you know, our country lots of country supporting is real, and like they came back to the editor like I don't know, man, I'm not sure if this is making sense. They're like, no, we gotta run it. Let's run it, like, don't ask you know, don't ask you questions, don't actually apply any logic to what you

have written down on this piece of paper. Run it's see the headline and just retweeted or whatever, like oh my god. Yeah that And maybe we'll do a whole episode because the history of like left wing like democracy democracy in Chile is very interesting. Um, but I won't get all into it now, but hey, we should, you know, I was just thinking this just reminded me, and since we're just talking and just gonna talk, we should do

an episode about China's growing influence on the continent of Africa. Oh, bro, that ship is fascinating. I was doing some reading about that too, because when I was a kid, you know, growing up just in different countries in Africa and stuff, I would always you know, see, there was always like a military relationship between some of the governments and Israel.

So you know, I like my first actual real girlfriend was like an Israeli and her father was like an Israeli military guy, and I always used to seeing Israeli officers, you know, patrolling along with Liberian or African police or um training them and stuff like that. And now I think it seems like China's kind of in in the last few decades. It seems seems like China's overtaking that role to where they're doing a lot of that training, a lot of that infrastructure investment and stuff like that.

And I mean, obviously nobody's given anything for free, so you would imagine that there's some sort of, uh, whether it be political or economic interest in it for China, but it just it seems like they're going into hyper drive with it. And you know, there's a lot of a lot of infrastructure projects and going on in Africa right now that are totally cool and seemed totally you know cool, and it's like, oh man, that's like a

that damn is a Chinese investment. I wonder, I wonder what what's what they're getting out of that, But that's something that we can go into. It's just so we're talking about, yeah, stuff for the new year. Um So back to Obama. What do y'all think about Obama's legacy? Generally, it's a it's gonna be a mixed bag, you know. It's um, I think it's it's still too fresh to really put into full perspective. You know, the homies only not been president for four years right or through five years?

So um, you know, I think from from anything from oh Trump came in the aftermath to you pretty much continued Bush's Iraq policy for a long ast time. You weren't strong enough, You didn't do enough when you have the super majority. There's a lot of tainted stuff in there, but I think there's enough platitudes too, had the stats that I think overall his legacy will be as favorable as an American president's Canada too. Yeah, I think that it's gonna I look at it favorably, mostly in comparison

to now. I don't remember a lot about Clinton all except for reading like everybody else did. Right. Um, I think that Obama will be looked at super kind. Uh. I think he made some poor, poor military decisions and foreign policy decisions, and he was just real timid about making any large changes in the United States. And I think he was far too timid. He could have got away with a lot more, especially with the super majority

in the beginning. But I mean, he acts like his hands were tied behind his back, like Biden's kind of are, but they weren't. I don't know, but that's also the congressional fault at that point. I mean, I don't know that's true. You generally have a very short window in which to accomplish anything when a party gains a majority in Congress, because almost in a dobly they lose that majority in the following mid terms. But it's so funny. I got into an argument, like on Facebook with this cat.

I was like talking about Obama and this dude with like no profile, pick like six friends or some ship, jumped in. I was talking it on me, and I was like, you know what, I don't even like the flex on niggas like this. But I went through and laid out all of my legislative accomplishments, including raising the minimum watricity employees in fifteen dollars an hour, and he was like, that ain't ship. And then I was like, yeah,

you're right. Wouldn't have been great if the most powerful person in the world from two thousand eight until two thousand and sixteen had done something about that issue. So I did, so we could be talking about twenty three dollars an hour today. And he didn't respond for some reason. I don't know what. I don't know why but yeah, I mean I feel like Obama like I can first for his ass and I was like seventeen, you know,

I couldn't vote. I was like mad, like hype, and I feel like coming to understand some of the darker parts of his legacy as an older quote unquote older adult was like my Santa Claus moment of like when I was like seven and like saw the presence in my parents closet, was like what the hell he like become like turning twenty seven and being like, what do

you mean? Black wealth fell my under Obama? And like he didn't prosecute any of the people responsible for the wide, widespread admiseration of the American people given the two eight financial crisis. You mean to tell me none of those my fathers went to jail. The stith that you don't

realize at the time. It's like a perfect storm for Obama because you know, like he I think he cracked that code of like a alright, so this is the sort of this is a sort of leftist tone that I gotta strike while I'm campaigning when he's actually more

like an your liberal moderate and stuff like that. So on his end, what was working to his disadvantage is like he's like he had to run kind of like Bernie, and it's like, you know, it's like it's if you weren't, if you weren't really like like paying attention to it, like you know, the way that we all might be

paying attention to elections now and stuff like that. It's like I I remember, like following that election, like Obama was sounded like Bernie like while they were running, And I think that with that came a lot of expectations that he'd never had any intention of living up to, like mother Like Motherfucker's was really like, yo, dude, I bet you after the first year, he's gonna grow his

after a while, you know what I mean. Like people were really having that sort of expectations in Obama, like he was about to come in there and like really in turntables over like I can't take this ship no more. And I don't think that ever was his intentions. So it's like, very early on in the presidency, there was like a you know what I mean, why, Well, if I've learned anything about governance is that the machine itself

will moderate you. Like that's why I support pretty much the most left wing candidates I can at any time that I can, because I know that they won't actually be able to govern that way. That the machinery of of you know, the swamp of the legislature or whatever, you know, even just the establishment within your own political party will break you and and push you into line.

And so that comes as no surprise to me as Obama running kind of like a burniesque populist campaign and then ultimately like you know, getting shoehorned by Wall Street, getting uh kneecapped by the loss of the Democratic majority after the mid terms, after his um election, etcetera, etcetera. Um, you know, it's just like it's just it is what it is. Kind of you know what kind of gave him a lot of cover to is Um and Patrisa. Neil kind of had a had a bit like this

back in the day. We're here talking about this, But I think like that was the beginning of the Republicans, like just like completely out in the open flirting with like just straight up white supremacy, racist ship, you know what I mean. Like it was there's a lot of like dog whistling and plausible deniability type of ship going on. But it's like when Obama got in. That's when it was like I accidentally came to work today in my kkknif.

I'm sorry, guys. So I think a lot of that shielded Barack Obama from criticism, because I know, even me back then was like, oh man, what the fund is this dude doing with the super majority? Fun these Democrats is messing up. But I'm not fun these Tea Party guys though, you know what I mean. It's like I'm not gonna go with them too hard because the other motherfucker's got nooses at their rally, you know, yeah, right up.

I haven't seen this corroborated in the media, so y'all like if you have seen any sort of confirmation that this is true. This is like a wide bread leftist myth that Obama stepped in during the primaries to get and uh, you know, Amy klobchar to drop out and endorse Biden so that Bernie could not you know, it was just like there's nothing he could do to stop the time. Okay, Like I hear about the phone call a lot, but it's like, I don't know, I haven't

read any additional details on it. Um, Yeah, it's not really it seems it seems like some ship that you would expect. But I know that's what I'm saying, Like it seems like some ship that you would expect, but that you can't just always lean on that. It's like, well, this makes sense to have happened. That's how you get

like it makes sense that there's a microchip in the vaccine. Well, I mean, it's like, I don't know, I would expect that, you know, any sort of like entrenched power in some sort of situation like that, they're gonna, you know, they're gonna pull out their their big guns at the end of the day when they when they felt like a it's like our guys gonna lose, they consolidated their power and they did they did what they had to do.

I don't know, you know that that sort of thing does never really personally, it doesn't really make me upset because it's what I would expect, you know what I'm saying, Like if Bernie, if Bernie had a bigger or if if the if the leftist part of the Democratic Party had more influence and we're ingrained more in the infrastructure of the Democratic Party, I would expect us to consolidate our power to and to stop establishments figures from gaining power.

You know, it's just the ship is gonna be you know, at the bottom line, that ship is gonna be hard. It's like you can't. Yeah, on one hand, you can't. You can't, like your rhetoric be man, the democratic establishment, the democratic establishment, the democratic establishment, and then when the democratic establishment does democratic I can't believe you guys would do that to me, Like what like no, Like no, They're they're gonna look after the Buddha judges. They're gonna

they're gonna amplify the voices that they want. We're we're working at a disadvantage. We know that, so we know it's uphill battle. It's just it just comes down to whether you're like this, there's nothing we can do, or

you're down to put in the fight. You know. I partially bring this up because I've recently seen comparisons for the way is that Obama wheels his influence over politics today, as in, you know, he made that phone call to stop Bernie, But where was his ass when earlier this week Joe Man killed Joe Biden's signature piece of legislator, Like where like Obama could have Where was that where

is that phone call? He was Obama was doing the same thing that he does exactly when when it's like that, that motherfucker just comes up, like the week before an election. It's like, you guys, another two years and so and so with that, I will pivot to discussing build back Better and the fact it's fucking debt. So is it

officially dead? So Joe mentioned announced just as the Senate was closing up shot for the year that he wouldn't be supporting the current iteration of the Build Back Better bill, effectively dooming it. I mean, it could re animates in the new year, but nothing like it, you know, with

even more reduced provisions that are currently in it. You know, it contained extension of the child child tax credit, produced prescription costs, covered hearing benefits, and medicaid, huge investment, affordable housing, so like it could come back with less of all of that, but for now, already less of it was already less of a bunch of stuff to begin with. That it was already down to ten trillion dollars to

one point seven. So that's pretty bleak um, I mean, so okay, So and maybe maybe Maria you can help shed or help clarify this. Um So, how much of this should heads be blaming Joe Mansion, Kristen Cinema or whatever, and how much of this should uh, you know, rightfully go to general Democrat fecklessness. So yeah, I was having this discussion with some of the other day that was bitching about Joe Manchin, Joe Manono mansion, and I honestly see this as a systemic failure. This is the failure

of Chuck Schumer to break some motherfucking kneecaps. This is a failure of Joe Biden. They put out like this excoriating statement like fun this nigga, he said all this

ship hit about. You know, the thing came out about him saying people are using the child text credit to buy drugs, which like, if you are having kids as hard if you got smoke, you need to relax when that baby is just like, I don't think he's I mean, it's all I think it's a false premise, but it's like I think that he's trying to project something stronger than weed. Well, of course he's also the motherfucker that wakes up on a yacht and drives past his constituents

begging on their knees to d clie to change. Although the Democratic leadership knew for a fact how he was going to vote on that, his voters. You can pull his constituents right now and you can watch young turks and they'll talk about like how popular certain bills are and I'll agree with them. But his voters would not go for it unless it was super super sold to them, and it wasn't. It was sold to me really well, I'm I was all about it when it was like

ten billion dollars. Yep, sounds great, should probably add some more to that. And then they dropped it. I was still for it. Anything's better than nothing, But I don't think he would have ever voted for it. They knew that was coming. How did they not know that was coming? It is my question? Yeah? So what? So here's the thing, though, So Mariah, what could they have done? Like, Okay, let's say let's say that his turn wasn't like a last

second thing. So let's say that we knew four months ago, five months ago that no matter why, he's gonna gonna screw the bill. And to say no, what could the Democrats have been doing in the past five months to get around that. I don't know. That's the thing is that I'm sure there are incalculable tools in the presidential and senatorial toolbox to get that negative fucking do the thing.

If it's like, oh, we're gonna put out a primary challenger against you next week and they're gonna have the full funding of, you know, full backing of the Democratic Party, I'm gonna saying, Kamala down there and goddamn mass I don't know, Snoop Dogg down there to like stop for this guy, strip him off, Strip Joe Mansion of all those committees, threatened stripping of all those committees like they always do with the fucking Republicans when they're on their function,

like they try to do with Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Bolbert, not them. Um, They're like, I can't even imagine the a math, the massive things that are probably available at their disposal to get him off fucking to like do the thing. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and I'm sorry didn't want me. I didn't mean to cut you

off my bed. I mean you know that like Joe Biden and them are also in like Nancy Pelosi are in the pocket of like big oil and big tech and all these industries that are probably lining his pockets as well. You don't think they could have a word with Jamie Diamond or whoever at the fucking I don't know, Goldman Sacks and be like, look, we really gotta get

this bitch to do this thing. Okay, just like Hill a little bit, like there's so many things and so I mean, and it also speaks to just the inherent undemocratic nature of the Senate. The Senate is just ambolished.

The Senate bolish Senate. It's not fair that a single person that represents two people can block an agenda that's popular with sev of the American people, of tens of millions of people all across the country who need child tax credits, who can't afford hearing aids, who can't afford the prescription drug costs, blah blah blah blah lah, and so the Senate just sucks. The Senate needs to not exist at all, and so that in itself is a

systemic failure. I think the my my takeaway from like some of these things that with the Democrats having trouble running through some of the agenda that they have is like it. It seems like they're too worried about maintaining like a status quo that's destined to not be there.

So it's like, you know, even though I'm not like completely up to speed on the minutia of the situation, it's just like there's a lot of things where it seems like the Democrats are saying, oh, we can't we we would have to take this out, like the filibuster for example. It's like, hey, we'd have to take this step on the filibuster so that we could you know,

push through, build back better or something like that. But we don't want to touch that because if we touch the filibuster change or something like that, then the Republicans are gonna be able to use it against us when we're not in the majority. And the whole thing is like, yo, they're gonna do that anyway, and that that is you know, and it's like, you mean, m Christopher or Goldsmith are gonna kind of touch on it in our talk, but

it's like the Republicans are gonna pack the court. So so it's like the Democrats can like, oh, we don't want to do it because it's the fundamentally blah, blah blah.

It's like they are going to do it, you know what I'm saying, Like like if they were in this situation, whatever ship that they have to do to fundamentally change the institution forever and stuff like that, They're gonna just do it and then we're and then Democrats are gonna be sitting around crying that they they told you that four years ago when they didn't put Mary Garland on on the seat, that they don't give a funk about

the rules and ship like that. So the whole like playing with kids gloves and it's like, hey, we're trying to maintain civility and blah blah, bah blah. It's like I can't believe that after four years of Donald Trump that Democrats are still on that ship. And it's like they're gonna sunk around and have us all in concentration camp doing that stupid shift for real only matter time.

Speaking of bleak shit, UM, at least six Amazon workers were killed in the warehouse and Edwards Built Illinois last week. While tornadoes bore down on the distribution at on the distribution center where they're teaking refuge and um, the warehouse roof collapsed upon them. So it's deeply sad. I mean, there was an incredible horrific wreckage all across you know, Kentucky, in the in the Midwest as a result of these storms.

But to think that these folks, you know, Amazon has a policy where they like take people's phones at the beginning of their shift to like increase productivity. Thinking about people that weren't able to call for help. Um, that these folks were out. A lot of these delivery drivers, um were among the folks that got killed, were out on their shift trying to deliver packages in the middle of tornadoes. And we're like, who, I think we should

get back to the warehouse. This is getting kind of sketch out here, and you know, try to go hide in the bathroom, but by that time it's too late. Um. It's just really, really deeply sad. A sad account that I saw was um a text message exchange from one of the employees who was in there, UM where he was like telling his life, Okay, you know, we're among we're on the way because the storms come in. I'll

be home and a little bit and stuff. And then sometime goes by in between text messages and she's like hitting him back, and he's like, Oh, they won't let us leave, we gotta stay. Yeah, and then I mean that sounds. That sounds there's a liability there. You are liable as a business owner for the safety of your workers and if any worker or family, Memer can prove beyond even like a slight shadow of a doubt that they had the responsibility at the moment they knew it

was coming, and they knew it was coming. How long was that tornado track? Do you know? I don't quite remember off him, but it was. It was some unbelievably long tornado track of just the storm cut depositing one after one, so it was coming. It was probably had a warning. I don't know how long it had a time, but if it was an hour or two, they're screwed as a company. Why would you do that? That's insane.

Isn't this on the heels of them trying to do union busting, because that that was like this couple of weeks ago. Yeah, they just declared that they're going to have a new election down in Bessemor where they try to unionize the first UH Amazon distribution center in the country. But like other than declaring, they got to do a new election to slap them with some fines. Oh fifty

dollar fine, don't give a ship. That's like, that's like pocket change with Jeff Bezou, So he'll be like Wen'll be like, oh, just add a couple of extra zeros on the end of that check just because sweeten the deal. Like, who the funk? You know? So what is true accountability

in this case? Even if a lawsuit is won. I would be very happy those for those families to get that money, but it doesn't really do anything truly punitive to the bosses that created these conditions, because they will just you know, go about begging their billions still and those people will never those people will can never be

brought back ultimately. Um So it's darts. I wanted to put that out there as a reminder though, as we approach Christmas, etcetera, like don't try, like, don't use Amazon. I know you, I know, I know, I love getting the ship in two days and like not happen to go through the home depot and find the fucking ship. But there is I don't remember the name of right now. There is a browser extension or you can go on

Amazon find the thing. That you want, and it will tell you what other website has the thing, and you can click you can click on it, you know, take you to the other website we can buy the thing before. And so, like all kinds of alternatives out there, don't support these motherfucker's with their union busting and their literal

like just negligence for human life. How the fuck that the thing I picked an hour ago get to my house without a drone because like this dude woke up from a nap in his car and threw it at my door. And I'm like, this is unbelievable, and who died to get me this ship? This fast? Something wrong? It's not really wrong. But the story also raises the issue more generally of climate change because the series of

storms this severe in the Midwest. I mean there's a lot of tornadoes up there generally, but this is just like almost unprecedented and generally warmer, warmer winter period just all around. And oh yeah, I was out on a walk the other day and I was like really bundled up because it's supposed to be fucking cold, and I'm like, oh, I'm sweating a little bit, and like I'm like, okay, enjoy it. Just enjoy it. Have a nice time. The

birds are singing, it's sun shining. But like I just like the weight upon me of like the promise of extinctions. Just like, yo, this ship. Actually, this is not cool. It's not cool. I heard a motherfucker talking about it being sixty five in Milwaukee the other day. Not cool. Yo, that ain't like for real, And I mean anybody who knows anything about Milwaukee in December, that's like day after tomorrow. The heat dome they had in Canada, that was the beginning.

They had people die because there was a heat dome in the beginning of winter. Wait wait, wait, n what's so? It's like, imagine a rain system that sits above like a city that also has sidewalks. The it just it basically creates a positive feedback loop where the heat from the storm is capturing all the heat right and then all of the rising air from the sidewalk is causing it to get stuck and trapped because the cold air

around the storm is is sinking. So what you have is like a dome of heat and like the size of Texas. I think he killed ten people, yo. Yeah. Yeah, But there's the next level to this is so Amazon not having a centralized mailing system, so our post office is highly efficient. It just is it's super centralized. We have it to a bare minimum of like gas trips from here to here. If there's a local dude that Amazon can call deliver my package quicker, that's awful. How

many packages did he have in his car too? For Like, that's not good. How did they get to his house a whole another driver? Why didn't it go to a central location? That doesn't make any sense. The cost of that is the environment on top of their other ship that I don't think anybody's gone that. I didn't even

think about that. So they're robbing us of our president killing people out here today, and they're killing people out here tomorrow and Tony Amazon, Amazon and Disney those are the two companies to look out for in the next ten years. When when you see your local police department with the Mickey Mouse arm patch on, yeah, it's about it's about to be bad, Joe, you know what I'm saying. When when like the when the military is gonna be

gonna have the episode Arrow on it? Like what's that movie? Specific? Like you're gonna be able to order your own, your own dude like me and mac yo, are drones coming in to borrow We gotta hurry up and link this stood up. Eight hundred thousand people ain't no fucking joke, yo. That is that is a staggering number that if you told Americans that, if you told Americans in February of that, come December, the eight hundred thousand people were going to

die from one thing. Come on, now, you know what I mean. So it's like like part of the you know, part of like the COVID skepticism, whether it becomes you know, the COVID vaccine or COVID policy skepticism, whether it's coming from the right or the left, is I personally can't at this point, I can't personally say that I know

it's because they don't think COVID is that bad. You know, Like I'm not sure that this wouldn't that people's vaccine skepticism and sure like that that it wouldn't be going if we were having like a worldwide smallpox epidemic, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't I don't feel like I don't feel that this is coming from a place of like, oh, COVID is not that bad, so we don't really have to like go overboard with these

measures to prevent it. It feels like it just feels like it's coming from more of a place if people generally don't care about people anymore, and that it's like wear a mask, you're taking away my freedom, you know. And it's just the whole, the whole, the whole discourse around COVID. It just it just it has it's a very It's like when people are talking about climate change

and you get kind of doo marie about it. Like people's reaction to dealing with a global pandemic just has me really down in the dumps for like our ability to come together to solve big issues that affect us all, you know what I mean, Like I'm not really looking at us thinking that we're going to like get a

handle on this climate change stuff. When the pandemic went across the world and killed five billion people in a year and there's still mad people in the world like we could have if you think about some of the past plagues and pandemics, all the people that didn't take any safety measures fucking died. We don't know how many of those are were this might be the best response

we've ever had. And you can't really compare us to fifties US, right, like our twenties to fifties US through from the nineteen fifties, you're like height of America, Captain America. Everybody's for America. We were in World War one and two, everybody was kind of like working together. It was easy to convince us to get vaccines. It's hard now, it's just real hard. But but okay, And I hate it when I hate it when Libs make the fucking oh COVID. It's like a war. We've got to have a wartime

footing in a wartime policy and ship like that. I hate that. I hate that. But just for the sake of argument, though it's nineteen like forty two, right, or whenever whenever Pearl Harbor was bombed or whatever, Pearl Harbor just got bombed. Germany's taken over most of Europe, them in Italy, or like, the whole world seems like it's on the brink. And if you had a population of people who are like you'd have the commercial I think

you got. You guys are going over board now, but you don't know what you guys are complaining about it. You guys, are you trying to take away by freedom? I don't want to rash and food. Why do you guys trying to take away by freedom? Why do I have to know? It's missing? Is missing? And this year and if you haven't got your vaccine, you're not in American?

Do you know this, Mariah Um There there's been some studies coming out that have been showing that at this point in time, I think the more town like the people who are dying, who are have been dying from COVID have been overwhelmingly Republicans. Do you think that that could have enough of a shift in in numbers to like affect election outcomes? I mean they are not to save the Democrats in the return, I'm not I'm not talking about saving the Democrats interns. I just mean, do

you think that that could affect Republican voter turnout? Well, I mean, let's say, for example, Georgia flip blue this last election cycle, um, and the election of Joe Biden in Georgia was decided by ten thou votes. Over twenty thousand people have died of COVID in the state of Georgia, and so I think when we consider the the electoral college or statewide races like a Senate race. UM, I absolutely do believe that uh COVID death can impact the

results of a coming election. You just gave us the ill transition, Mariah, You just gave us the ill transition, ill transition because dig this right. Okay, So this report came out in the Washington Post with these three retired generals right who have been warning that there's enough of a political fracture within the U. S. Military that should a Trump be they had They're not trying to single out Trump because they're saying that this honestly, they're saying

that the riff could go either way. But they're saying that if the next election were to be called, you know, called into dispute, that there's enough of a fracture that they can foresee elements of the military being like, oh no, our guy didn't lose and in going with them, and that could cause civil dispute, possible civil war. I'm gonna

read you this excerpt from the Daily Beast. Three retired three retired Army generals have warned of insurrection, possibly even civil war if the results of presidential election are not accepted by sections of the military. Retired retired Major General Paul D. Eaton Antonio M. To Guba joined retired Brigadier General Stephen M. Anderson and urged today's leaders to act to prevent such scenes by calling on today's leaders to

do war games of an attempted coup. The former military leaders said that they're increasingly concerned about the potential for lethal chaos inside the military, which would put Americans at severe risk in the aftermath of an election. Now, if we're talking about margins being so thin that states were flipped historically on ten thousand votes, and then we're talking about a party that's being reckless in vaccine policy to

to to you know, mitigate a deadly disease. If we're talking about those numbers are taking shaving off twenty thousand of them here, five thousand of them here in that county. If the Democrats are able to squeak out victories and mid the mid terms and then again going to the presidential election, the Democrats are able to squeak out numbers because the dumbass Republicans got themselves sick on covid YO,

they're gonna lose their ship. Like they're like like that ship is gonna make that January ships ship January six thing look like a cookout. Man, I'm trying to think. I mean, when they say civil war, they mean like a militias. Well, I mean, I think civil war in this context is hyperbolic and in a lot of ways metaphorical. But I just think, like like they're talking about like some road communits and stuff like that, you know, what

acting independently to do. Because I mean, you know, we we've mentioned this before, but if you wake up, if you wake up in the morning and you scirl on Twitter and you read, oh, a group of fifty dudes stormed the Montana Capital House and took it over, you know what I'm saying, just imagined ship like that, But it happens like six times in one day, you know, and then and then the local law and for the local authorities have to go deal with that incident or again.

You know. I mean, you know, we've got like like people shouldn't overlook that. It's like, you know, like Dylan russ attack was like a politically motivated right wing attack, you know, in the Al Paso shooter in Texas, like that was the politically motivated, like a lot of these mass shootings and things that happen are politically motivated. It's just because of Overton window, that link isn't necessarily drawn

in in you know, harped on in the news. So in this event, you know, just kind of think that, but think of it more organized and with military guys behind it. Because I was at first wondering if it was like between factions in the public, in which case we're not looking at a civil war, we're looking at a genocide. Well, you had a you had a general in where is it. I don't want to say the wrong state, but you know, Mississippi, Alabamash type of state.

But this guy actually came out of his mouth saying, Oh, our state's national guard doesn't work for the federal government. Bro, nigga, what like is the national guard? Motherfucker? But ship like that is starting to happen, you know what I mean. So this we're not we're not talking about like like, oh, maybe people that John served with, you know what I'm saying. We're talking about like, motherfucker's who are in the ship now with rank Don't forget Michael Flynn was the National

Security Advisor. But like you know, like, it doesn't get any higher than that. It doesn't, it really does not get like that's you know, that's like one of the highest positions that a military man can have, you know what I'm saying, and still be a military man and not have to be a civilian. So it's like, I don't know, I just it's just one of those things.

It would be hard. So you may not know this, but it takes to like move a single just let's say you have like a twelve man group within like a hundred man squad of some sort in any military unit. To get your weapons, you don't have to go to another building and talk to an armor who has to get approval from a first sergeant. It's just it's kind

of like one of those conspiracy windows. It would take probably eighty people to approve you leaving with soldiers from a base with a valid excuse and an operation plan, and then to get AMMO is a whole another route you have to go to do another There's no AMMO depot near weapons in any military base for a reason because nobody who has higher brass trusts anybody who isn't for the most part. But if but can you can you say, like with full confidence at some of these

gatekeepers and barriers of them. So the reason, the reason why seven is because your brain they know their brainwashing you on purpose when you're coming in, your susceptibility, like if you were to be assessed by the FBI just coming out of the military is really really fucking high. This is why there's like debriefs in the army when

you do like crazy exotic ship. When you come back, they have to like talk about what you did, Let's talk about how that affects the mission plan, because they don't want you to come away with the idea that there's a conspiracy involved in some way and you to tell another person. They're pretty balls deep about what what level of detail they'll go into to make sure that you're not leaving a base with weapons. But that doesn't mean it can't have. Now, like you said, let's say

there's a brigadier general at a National Guard base in Virginia. Right, Let's say that his first sergeant and lieutenants are all on the Trump train, and then let's ay he has to disseminate to his squad leaders to get all the lower guys because it wouldn't be no general can go and wake you up in your tent or your bunk, wherever you're at, no matter how low rank you are, that's not his job, and it would be odd and everybody would stop him from his function or from doing that.

I know. So there was like and it's only because the level of they brainwashed you to come in and that's a that's a poor term. So it's in indoctrination process, right, just like if you came from another country to America, we it doesn't sound as bad, but we'd have to

indoctrinate you to like our ways. If you were to immigrate in let's say you were like somebody that worked with the U. S. Military in a foreign country that we worked in, we brought you in here, we would have to indoctrinate you into how everything works here because we can't expect you to perform without breaking laws. If you were to come from Afghanistan and or Iraq, I think the same thing. We don't give anybody that works in a military unit that's not super high ranked any

power except for over other soldiers. Like you can't get items, you can't get equipment. There's another dude, and then you're looking at them. Are not white, So you're gonna have to convince a lot of people have a lot of lies. From my view, I think one of the one of the things that the generals were saying, though, is that

some of that can a lot of that convinced. That's the scary part, You're right, happen is the point that that's the point that they're making because one of the solutions that they suggested, like their their call to action, as it would be. It's not like they just put out there we're scared, you know what I mean, Like they actually feel that they have a solution. But their solution was that every single member of the military have

to over undergo civics reviews. Not a bad idea because they've they've identified that, like because they're like like people to make sure everybody knows who they're supposed to take orders from, how the American government actually functions, who your bosses are, because, like we've been saying it, don't know how the government. Most Americans can identify how many chambers of government that there are, Like that motherfucker's don't know

the secession order. They don't know who becomes president when this person dies or when that like a lot of these things are ship that's just kind of been taken

for granted just off of like the strength of America. Fun. Yeah, that you know, I just I'm not I'm not too confident that just off the strength of confusion and not knowing who to take orders from, that that ship couldn't go down, let alone having like, you know, a good chunk of the military World War two, What did we have a bunch of soldiers from Germany saying that I was just following order. I mean, you're looking at the

same situation and we're getting warnings in a similar way. Um. I mean, I could I could point you there's there's mad countries in Africa where all it took is three hundred dudes in the bush organized to bring the whole ship down, the whole ship, you know what I'm saying.

So if we're even even if we were even if we're playing like even if we're even if we're downplaying it to like the highest extent that we can, even if we want to be like yo, there's only like one percent of the American military that would be down to the ship we're riding with. What's that? I think it's bigger than that too, But I'm just saying, just for Devil's advocate, let's just say that it's only one percent.

Well what's one percent of people? Well, here's what I'm thinking is that it's not so much that like they're the threat is of an organized like institutional affront on

our democratic institutions. I mean, just drawing from a person old experience, had a cousin who was in the military, who learned how to kill people real good, um, and who then ran away from the military and killed someone and so because partially because of the way it had being in the military had broken him, but also probably because he knew a lot about weapons and a bunch of other ship that made it easy to go out and fox somebody up real bad and take a life.

And so imagining what individuals who have that kind of training in their individual capacity out you know, perhaps they've been distarted from the military or bad or whatever. Um, how that that knowledge can be used um two personal ends, perhaps in an organized fashion if like a group of such folks comes together, so like, yo, we've taken on

the capitol or some ship. I think from what Jonna said, I'm a lot less worried about like the actual military rising up versus like former members of the military utilizing

what they know about warfare do warfare. That that is I mean, it's it's to me, it seems like that is the that's the situation at hand, you know, I don't I don't think that like like like you said, Mariah, I don't think that there's necessarily a threat of like the military itself being like, oh, we're you know, like a part in the Specifically they're warning about rogue units, you know what I'm saying, like like people breaking off from the military to do exactly so I'm using the

training that they have to do other ship that's not in the interest of anybody is. And and with that, I feel that that's a very very realistic possibility. Like I said, none, none of this ship fires and numbers, and I think we'll we'll give ourselves a false sense of security by thinking that the numbers aren't there, because ay, we don't know that the numbers are there, but be it just takes one dude to be like, maga, I'm going into that nightclub with a gun. True. That's that's like,

that's like a hundred lives ruined. You know what. I'm saying, you got two of those guys was doing that, that's two lives ruined. You know what I'm saying. If you got like fifteen thousand, and that's being a conservative, yeah, I mean a very conservative number. If you have fifteen thousand, motherfucker's are like yo, the next time as soon as they give the word all right, we're doing it, right. I just I don't think that's you know, and each one of them is. I just know, And that's the

ship I'm scared of. So I've told Mac this before, but um, I don't know if anybody if you can research it when we get off, but white nationalists have been trying to sneak people into military units for years. I had one in mind, a very vocal one that they probably should have done something over. I mean I told Mac about this, like when I got out. I'm like, no, you don't understand. There's people they just they just let

this go. They don't care. Everybody's brought it up to the higher up people and they're like, hey, yeah, we trained. If we don't care, we don't give a fuck. And where does he go when he leaves? Alright, Yeah, so we are going to take a little break, but when we come back, we're going to be talking about some sad news in the world of hip hop. So we will be right back after the jump. And I don't know if you guys are picking up my puppy growling,

but he's growling. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we are back and we've got some music news for that ass. Unfortunately starting out with a bit of sad news, right, you want to you want to tackle this? Yeah, So drinking O the Ruler Um was really tragically stabbed and killed Um at the Once Upon a Time Um at Once Upon a Time as an l A concert at the Bank of California Stadium. Um, a person with direct knowledge of the incident, told The l A Times that Um

he'd been attacked backstage by a group of people. Paramedics responded to reports of the stabbing at the stadium on eight forty pm and direk He was taken to the

hospital and critical condition and later died. Um Stoop Dog Um, in a statement, said that he had heard about the incident while in his dressing room getting ready to perform, and chose to immediately leave the festival grounds and since then been calling for peace for non violence, people to put down the weapons, put down their beef, and stop

kill him another. Because we have lost a lot of folks this year, UM and in general and hip hop, this is just too frequent in occurrence, and so I find it heartening occasionally when rappers kind of stand up and speak out about the need for us to find peace to resolve conflicts non violently. But with these things, I feel like it lacks a framework. Like it's easy to say, but like, what does that mean? What does

that look like? Who is modeling that for people? Who is um, you know, uh, proselytizing with the Gospel of what that actually would would look like in practice? Is the is the element that is missing when folks respond to killings in this way. I've I'm you know, it's my my two cents on this is like and I don't. It's like, I definitely don't. I'm not gonna be able to just say ship that people might just want to hear to make them feel better and stuff like that.

But this is coming on the heels of Young Dolf being gunned down, rapper Young Dolf being gunned down in his hometown, and after that happened a couple of weeks after that happened, rapper for the rapper Freddie Gibbs and the rapper Jim Jones got into a similar situation to this one, like a crew on crew beef beat down at some public spot that didn't result with anybody getting stabbed. It just resulted with somebody people getting severely beaten and

it was celebrated on the internet for a week. And I'm serious, I'm like that every hip hop political publication was talking about Freddie Gibbs and Jim Jones got in to fight. It's so awesome, world star, world star, you know what I mean. And then literally the next week, the same situation should happens, except somebody has a knife and somebody gets stabbed. Somebody could have had a gun and bust off shots. And then we're having a different

different discussions together. So there comes up there. I don't know, it just seems like there comes a point where like we're not talking about like sixteen year old kids, you know, like like some of these people are grown men, and like there has to be like some accountability of like, ye know, what the funk are we doing having a brawl and ship you know, like everybody's everybody's rich where they're like to make me. And again, this is like not putting any blame on any any victims of any

of the situations. But if you know, if like we were more fortunate and somebody didn't have a knife, then this would this I have no reason to believe that people wouldn't be like bigging up this whole situation like it was some cool ship just because somebody didn't lose their life, like the like the the the chaos itself is cool, you know, I mean, but you can't just say stop doing that. You have to offer people alternative. So, like,

you know, if you beat in with someone. I think it may have spoken on a recent episode about how this group in l A set up a boxing ring and when they were hearing about beefs going down to the community and like, oh they're about to go by and spring up your spot, they would bring people together to get in the boxing ring and put on boxing gloves and duke it out there, because it's a lot of harder to kill somebody if you bang on the

head with a boxing glove. Um in in a monitor environment in which if it gets out of hand, there's people who could break up the conflict, and yet it was shown to be a really promising way to settle dispute because eventually somebody wins and somebody loses, and that there you go. You got your conflict resolution, get out

the ring. Nobody died, and so it's still giving something you know or like people just don't have, because conflict resolution is not to something social, it's also something psycho social.

And the fact that you have to you have to have the problem solving skills and the learned behaviors, the reasoning in order to understand different ways of duking this out, like and if you are have always been funneled into one way of thinking, Oh, I've been disrespected, I'm gonna go stab this nigger, like that's all you know how to do. You have to absolutely saying it's unacceptable, but

it's not. But like if you say, don't do that, but don't give anyone an idea of what else they're supposed to do and engage in the intensive process of helping lead someone in that new direction, it's just a platitude to make someone else does to make Snoop Dogg look better. I agree. I mean, I'm not saying that I've got the answers or anything like that, so I'm

not even approaching it from that. But I just feel like if we have to organize a charity boxing event or else, I'm susceptible to stab somebody in the neck. That's like, that's that's like a problem with me. You know what I'm saying, Like I have an issue that

needs to be addressed. If like you know what I'm saying, and it's like, you know, I mean, because everything you're saying is right and I agree with it, but it's like there comes a certain point where it's like you you can't recognize if we see these guys it's on site, we're gonna while out, and then when the wild out happens, well, I mean somebody should have done something, you know, I mean, somebody should have done something about it when it's like

they're the ones who were you know what I mean. I don't know, man, I just it's just if I don't know, I don't know what's gonna stop it. It's like we we could have been having this conversation resting and fights, you know, like we were having at nineties seven. We were having this conversation in two thousand two odd man,

Why is why is ja rule fifty? Stabbing each other in the studio and ship like that we're having, you know, and it's just like it just takes one variable to these situations to turn it tragic and for it to not just be like some a haha, that was like

a scuffle that you know, people got over. It's like just in the realm of celebrity and show business in general, like I'm sure many times people are in rooms with motherfucker's that they hate, you know, even if we're just talking about rappers, I'm sure plenty of rappers go into situations where there's a crew they got beef with, or there's guys that they don't like, or there's something like that.

It's just that extra step, like, well, I don't know what element it is that makes people like yo, yeah, like you know, it's funny. I don't know. I have a different view. I feel like, uh, it's amazing that it's not worse. So I remember coming to the conclusion a long time ago. I don't know what I read.

I couldn't tell you, but that, uh, money isn't just evil, It's really just a representation of resources in our society, right, Like if I have five drops of water left and this motherfucker wants four of them, and while he doesn't want four of them, but what he wants to do is take my image. An image in this society is really highly prized for somebody that's in the image game. I mean, any affront to that money or resource is gonna result in some violence. I don't know, I could

kind of, but I know it's bad. It's that I'm just saying. I'm amazed that it's not worse, honestly. So, like take take nineteen early ES wrap and what we were saying then about the drug game and prostitutes, all the worship you could imagine, and now imagine you had an online reputation to keep on top of that. I don't know, I feel like we're doing a little bit better than I thought we would. I thought this ship

would have blown up a long time ago. And you know, I think I think the data backs up what you're saying, because crimes of all kinds are historic lows, with the exception of murder unfortunately, but like aggravated insults and things like that, lesser but still violent offenses are going down. So like things are in on on like a macro level,

better than they have ever been. But that doesn't negate the fact that like every time we lose someone that's you know, the whole family that's devastated, friends and friends and you know, colleagues that are devastated, fans that are devastated, and so the trauma really ripples wide. But honestly thinks like it isn't like it like it could be a lot worse. Like John said, where are the o g s?

Is my question? Where are the because I mean the ogs like Snoop Dogg or say, everyone put the guns down, like, well, what are they instead of a gun? He's been forever, But I feel I don't. But that's what I feel like. I I that's the thing that I personally don't like. It's like, what are you supposed to pick up instead of a gun? Like how about you started rapping? Like like whether you know? And this is not to put the blame on Drake you, but like all the motherfucker's

who are in is Crewe. It's like y'all been crewed up with Homie this whole time so that he could get into position to where y'all like we don't got to be in the streets in the back smoothing with

the stars and ship like that. Who is the O G that's gonna like be like, Yo, this is ridiculous, guys, everyone show I mean or even like, let's handle this another time somewhere else, like like like that's that statement that Snoop Dogg made would have been real dope to not be in a letter hour after a motherfucker was

already stabbed in debt. It would have been It would have been cool to see a viral video Snoop Dogg and his crew standing in the middle of those two crews like yo, young man, I'm fifty, I'm the O G. Let me let me you guys calm down, because like coming up growing up in hip hop, there's mad stories about O G rappers stopping the rappers of our generation from killing and shooting each other and ship like that. There's a reason that a lot of people don't know

that nas In Tupac had beef. Know what I'm saying, There's a reason a lot of people don't know the MC hammer almost got Motherfucker's shot for dissing them for thinking that he was sweet. You know what I mean because O G s were like, yo, man, we're making millions. Stop the ship. And that's what I just feel is like there's like a disconnect, you know. I mean maybe

it might be a generational I don't know. Um, I don't necessarily think that that's the that that it's like that cut and dry, but there is a failing in this situation that goes beyond well, what would they supposed to do other than like start a massive like melee

and fight each other? Like you know, it's it's like I hear what you're saying, right, but it's like there's another event where it's like I just can't look at that mass a young man and think that everybody in there is just like a mindless, impulsive, instinctive animal is just gonna react and can't like critically think for them. So I mean, like, hey, guys, like we're having like a fucking like fifty men like fight at this show, Like you know, I mean like maybe we should maybe

maybe we should chill right now. Like I don't think that's like too great of an expectation or to you know, am I making sense? So what do you do when someone disrespects you? Mac? I mean it's for me personally. Yeah, Like, what do you do personally when you're disrespected by someone personally? From like you know, and again just the personal thing, so I can't put that on anybody else personally. One of the ways that I have lived my life is I have lived to be the age that I am

never having caused any harm to another black person. That's just me. That's me. I've never and John, you were there, so you've you've seen me in the ships, you know. I mean, I've definitely been in my share of fights. I've been in my share of drunken things. But I've put myself in a situation to where if I were in a situation that was going to lead me to potentially have to be in a physical confrontation with another black human being, I'll take that l I'll get embarrassed,

I'll I'll back pussy down or whatever. I'll do that because I don't want to be in that situation, you know what I'm saying. And just generally, like in a situation, like what do I do when I when I'm disrespected? I tend to think about what the worst possible outcome of a scenario could be, and that affects how I go about doing stuff, you know what I mean. So I always imagine a motherfucker might have a gun. Is the number one thing that I go to when whenever

I'm in a confrontation. So man, fuck you, Well fuck you. What you're gonna do about it? Man, I'll kick man. These motherfucker's a stupid ye know, these motherfucking stupid They got guys, I'm not, you got it? Whatever. That's that's usually like my response to ship like that. People can make fun of that, and people can be like, oh, blah blah blah. But it's like if if the choices, well, what was I supposed to do other than stab them?

Then you know, then I'm that I'm a pump. Then I'm just illustrating that, like sharing our personal expertise on the alternatives to engaging with violence. For me, when I get disrespected, I might go take a walk, I might say right about it. Sure, like you said, that might be seen as pussy ship, but it's these are these are alternative norms that can be shared within the community of hip hop, but aren't being for one for one

reason or another. Um, So that's what I'm saying, Like We'll put the gun down and pick up what it's it's not a show. Put your shoes on and take a lap, bitch. Like you were a writer, you like to write bar sit down and write about how piste off you are by this nick that's talking about you. See, if I'm popularizing other ways of dealing with this is what I mean when I say put the guns down

and pick up something else. You're you're you know you're right, and and that that you're right, and that that just that takes you know, it's it depends on the people who are in those situations. It requires a huge norm is a huge cultural shift. Yeah, if I if I were a rapper that we're at that level to where it's like, oh, I meant rolling loud and these festivals

and ship like that. In like a situation like that played out, it would be a viral video of like this dude screaming at me and me like being like a why you know what I mean, like being like a fucking dick head white and that's like just like dissing on him and like us like just like like hurling insults in our crews, yelling and you can't hear everything you'd be like, oh, do you guys see that video where Dope Knives crew and such and such crew

were like yelling at each other and screwing each other, And that's what would have been with it. Because if I see you motherfucking my crew swing, I'm shutting it down. I'm sorry. I'm like, I am going to have the wherewithal to be like, yo, guys, this is my job. You know what I'm saying, Like, this is how I make money. If I was working at the car wash, y'all niggas wouldn't be coming in here starting starting to fight with somebody working because that that's gonna sunk up

my job in my livelihood. So that kind of thing has to be taught. When everybody's talking about being a businessman in a mogul and I'm making billions and I'm trying to take over no right from wrong, They're not like idiots. They know they know what they're supposed to be doing. Somebody who was in that situation new hey man, this is absolutely ridiculous. Everybody, however, was caught up in like, oh this was cool cruises fighting. We don't have we

don't have the details on this incident. Whether or not someone tried to intervene and prevent the stabbing, we can't say that nobody didn't. It was this was the stabbing. Stabbing was a show, just like the crew fight. It was security and both of the like I'm not I'm not, you know, I can't imagine being famous like one of the crews, one of the crews. People are they just bros? Like I want I want some dude I don't know to like diligently unless he loses his job to be

like watching entrances and ship. I don't want to deal with that ship? Why would someone want to deal with that ship? But I don't know When I was younger. When I was younger, horribly mac knew me at the precipice of me like me realizing that everything is not the way I thought it was, right, Like I kind of had a post military awakening of military are you awakening? And all of this was just defended on who I

read and what I watched right like anybody else. But I mean now I have a ralsey and approach, like what would this look like if everybody did what I did? Right? Like how would I create a set of rules and not know who I would be when they're enforced. Um, I don't know that's how I would do it now. But this is like some like step twelve logic ship that I don't know what step one is. Yeah, Mariah, what do you think we can do? Like, like, what

do you think can be done? Just like uh, Like, I guess, I don't know, like it was like behaviorally or culturally to kind of just change that the mindset. I guess. Well, I mean we're already so we're already using music too established and in the sense established and reinforced a certain reality, and people increasingly through music are starting to branch off into different ways that things could be.

You have folks like No Name or Sava or even Kendrick or a lot of different people who are talking more about mental health that are talking more about avoiding conflict, that are talking more about I don't know, a love of reading and various things that we don't historically associate

with the black experience. And so through those means encouraging folks to speak on alternatives to the status quo of resulting and you know, resorting immediately to violence as a way to shift norms in the community, to get more people to say, oh that they got played a show with topic he was talking about, you know this or that, about taking a walk instead of hitting somebody in the face.

I'm gonna reflect on that and building those relationships. So it's like, hey, yeah, let's kick it after the show. And like, you know, I saw he was really heated and like beefing with those cats, Like let's you know, let's take a walk and talk about it as a

way of helping shift some of those norms. Um, you know, I think I think in this case it does take a lot of I mean, obviously I think about the policy level, but it also has to be interpersonal within communities to people, say to really start thinking intentionally about like let's just not like I was saying, not just put the guns down, but what alternatives would we like to see people doing, and how do we mentor them and getting to that place because they might be really

smartly you said, these people aren't idiots, but you're only as smart as like if you're giving input to then process and do something with. And so we gotta start giving people input to then like use their very smart brains that they used to make very genius lyrics to apply it to other circumstances in the life they're currently

not handling well. Smaria, what are your thoughts on perhaps like the nature of the vein of hip hop that we're talking about involved with having an impact in this because like I remember, I remember interview back in the day with MC light and she was like they were asking her about like the hip hop Cops, and you know, it was back in like two thousand six when the NYPD had their like hip Hop Task Force and they were like, you know, really good and they were asking

MC light about it, and she was like, I don't worry about that ship. She's like, nobody's coming on my tour of us looking for God. She was like, She's like she's like nobody, nobody's pulling over Q two like to see if you know what I mean, if his crew is packing. It's like, you know what I mean, because that's not the ship that we're doing. And you know, I had this discussion with somebody the other day where

or me and Mariah. I think we've had this discussion before, but it's like there's like we can't only say that hip hop is the most influential, impactful force in the world when we're talking about good ship and then be like, oh, but we promise you that none of the influences were bad,

you know what I'm saying. And one of the influences is that you get you know, if you if you're a little kid and you're listening to rap music growing up, and I'm just I'm gonna speak anecdotally just for my personal experience, there is a nature of don't back down to like to to to hip hop music, especially the ship that I was listening to growing up. And you take aside that refrain that I told you about like fighting black people are being in physical confrontations with black people,

you put that aside. One of my physical confrontations in life are from a Napoleon complex of like, oh no, I can't back down. Oh like what DMX back down? I'm going at it, you know what I mean. Like I'll say, I'll get my ask with to show you that I'm not no punk because fucking chuck the aint

no punk, and you know what I mean. Like, so there is that element of it that it's like, hey, if you're if, if you're if, your mind is being bombarded seven where I hit you with the strap, I hit you with the stick, We roll up on you, I pull up on site, I pull up on site, we catch you on site, pull up. You know what

I mean? You know, then when you're in a confrontation, maybe maybe that that makes nobody in a in a in a room where they can have a sober state to be like, hey, maybe we should back down in this, or maybe we should deescalate the situation, you know what I mean, Maybe there's something subconscious where it's like, oh no, we gotta handle this situation. You can't disrespect my crew.

M you think there's any you think there's anything to that or is that like just like oh no, absolutely, I think that that like overlaps flat with what I

was talking about. Yeah, oh go ahead. I mean I was gonna say, it's funny like you mentioned, uh, I mean, it sounds like you're infantilizing a little bit, like is it the culture that swang us or is it uh not just musically, but but what you grow up in, like so environmentally, like we know this is the case uh DMX had like tax evasion court case before he died. And I don't know if you ever heard about this, but they were gonna sentence him to five years, and

they decided not to. They gave him like one year with parole, like the option for parole. And the only reason they did that is because they played slipping or Slipping for the judge. I don't know if you remember that song, like I'm slipping, I'm following, I can't get up, and the whole song is about like his life, like how he was abused by his aunts and his uncles, and his his mom had died when he was early on, and like all the trials and tribulations, and they reduced

the sentence to a year. And the judge's explanation was similar to Mariah's, like, uh, the environment that he was, how could we expect him to take five million dollars in his first year of having his first album, having no experience with money and this type of life, and now we're expecting him to pay back money he'll never have and we should never have expected him to pay And it sounds like you're infantilizing somebody. In the same way.

Ryan was pointing out that, like there's clearly some environmental issues here, and how do we change environmentally the way these people are educated? Right? But I don't know. I find myself stuck between both roads, Like you can't blame either one of these things for me, Like there is a personal accountability there, But I don't know. I mean, I don't I don't necessarily think I'm I mean, I don't I don't mean to like infantalize because I mean, I'm not saying that any at the mercy of the

ensway of the things that we listen to. You, I mean that that's likeat so I shout up by school, like no, I'm not not necessarily something like that. But again it's just again, it's just like you know, calling

balls and strikes, you know what I mean. Like I would be lying if I were to say that I know for a fact that there is not that there's a generation if I were to say that there's a generation of men who are my age, who at a very young age, we're listening to me so horny and bitches ain't ship, and that thirty years later that might in some incremental way effect the effect how they treat women,

you know what I mean. So it's like just using that same sort of logic, It's like, yo, man, if you grow up, I bust you with the stick, I bust you with the stick, and it's like that's regurgitated over and over again. Then perhaps if you're in a situation you know, I mean, you might be less inclined to think what can I do to do? You know what I'm saying, that's not necessarily like a cause and

effect you know, in infant infantile infantile infantalization. But you know, it's it's just it's just like like I said, it's it's all just like a net, like you know, like there's like emergent like the brain doesn't work on just we can't just say your neurons do it, or your brain does it, or your sensory inputs on your body as well like brings consciousness. But what every scientists say is that it's like an emergent property. So like, yeah,

that's a good point. Like this this does seem like it's all the things kind of wrapped up right exactly exactly all the things in any event, this is a super tragic situation. Um rest in peace to Drake e O and you know, wishes his his family and his friends. Uh. And you know, regardless, Homie was just like a really smooth, cool, cool ass cat. You know what I'm saying. So hip hop lost one. Alright, y'all. Um, we've been going on and on, so we are about to go home and

celebrate Christmas. Hope all you guys have a good Christmas with all your family. Hey John, of course, anytime, anytime, anytime, coming through. But we're gonna close it. We're gonna close it like we always do. And that's with raps. So Joe, once you give us a beat and let's give some holiday raps. Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, so so hey yeah, pull up on the beat. And of course it was slow when I gotta eat with a force to behold. She is antique like the Morse in the Code.

Now I gotta spit like the pork in the roast, or I p draking up that ain't it? Stop violence? Every day? The same ship they used to be down the lane switched fun Fox News. I gotta beat for the sat nick. I don't vibe with a corporate holiday. Take your whole check. And of course there's a robbery and the music bullshit follows me and I gotta tie

for a present. Probably I'm a fucking I'm a bitter gridge looking like climbate the Pocka lips to when Nick all I really wants a little bitty house on the Helena Honey to block them lips on the Nigga trying fish for Nickel, watched the brains versus socks when niked instead of them sitting in the shock for nack ramon Fox Tom about Amazone workers killed to deliver of brox properly filled with some simple bundles of socks to love the building blocks could the way to but the box

moved a billion, then the billion, then the billion, then like a phenivoment from a tropical illness. But that to this giant, the only one tripping And I'm open guy willing one day we overcome women, defeat these fucking villains. Hey cope, knife with Franca and we are waiting on reparations. How it is, See you next week. Waiting on Reparations is a production of iHeart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, check out the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.