For Dilla

Fucking whack. I'm sitting right in healthy is stress. What's the trend? I got my own ship dog. I've always been the Loana dealers and the my Condolas with a pendless and the donuts with a bird. And I'm cracking jokes, punch lines, packing dope. I trined Jack and Coke, becausing like a mac and Roth. Even though I'm stone, still controlling the flow, best rapping that you know that nobody knows.

Don't play with me unsavory, especially when I don't get my reparations for that one slavery dope, dope, dope, dope, Hey, what's up? What's up this is dope, knife franca and we are waiting on recretion. So how you doing? Could ask? I'm good, tired, you know, long commission meeting. Life, Life is just long snow running. What was the commission meeting about tonight? Oh? You know, just a horrible housing stuff? Um um, there's something like big that you're working on

right now, isn't there. Yeah, I mean I've been working on the negotiations with these developers to try to get some horrible housing in this gigantic complex that they have proposed for my district, and so trying to use the opportunity's leverage to get stuff for working folks. And it passed.

It passed this evening, So it's gonna be sixty six apartments were just like working class people at minimum potentially dred twenty if the local government decides to like shell in a little bit, which, like, you know, do you think they will? Yeah? I think so. I mean it's pending like a community approval. Do we have these advisory boards that are signed off on use of these special funds? And so I think people will be like hell, yeah,

I mean more places for like working class people to live. Sure, you know, let's do it. So it should be. I mean, like it's just funny because like working within the system just sucks so bad that like when you even when you win, it just feels growth. Like I would prefer it would so much prefer to just like seize all the people as homes and put people in them like like a dictator, you know, and just like, uh, we gotta just work within the capitalism, so and think what

I gotta do, But yeah, what you gotta going. I'm in the or racking process of putting out music independently, so I feel like I'm about to have a panic attack. Yeah again, shameless promotion. I'm dropping a new song tomorrow because you guys listened to this on Thursday, right, Yeah,

so I'm dropping a new song tomorrow. It's tedious, you know, write my own press releases and sending out dozens and dozens of emails and ship and you know, it's it's one of those things you got you gotta go through, but it's all worth it in the end, after you put the music out. I did stumble across this article that I did want to run past you, even though it's not about what we're talking about today, Because today

we are talking about legendary hip hop producer J Dilla. Yeah, J Dilla's anniversary or it was a fifteen the anniversary of Donuts on Sunday? Um, and was it? Yeah? No, I'm confused. Okay, it was a few days ago, a couple of days ago. Yeah, everybody was posting their diala stuff. You know, I get confused. I get I'm confused because Sunday was the fifteenth anniversary of Donuts. Sunday was also my mom's birthday. It's not going to maxed up because

Dila's birthday, No, that it is correct. Yeah, so my mom and Jay Dilla have the same birthday. Yeah, they have the same birthday. And they also you know, suffered from the same chronic illness lupus, and so like, you know, this was like, Paul, I'm seeing a lot of people's reflections on Ja Della this week. I was like, und touch because they have a similar struggle, similar birthday, the exact same birthday, and so I was excited to talk about him as we both his musical legacy and like

some of his struggles. For the listeners who don't know, um, Donuts, when we say that Donuts is like the seminal last album of Jay Dilla, So we're gonna be delving into that, some of j Delah's life, some of his music, and also you know, talking about how his struggles with America's health care system relate to what's going on today, right, yeah, still are still impacting his family, despite you know, that's

fifteen years ago. So well, before we get into that, I wanted to tell you about this article that I just just read, right, So it's um, it's about that movie Judas and the Black Messiah. Have you heard of it, the one the Fred Hampton one. I heard, you know, they stripped Fred Hampton's politics out of the film. That's what I was just about to mention. I didn't see it, though, so I read an article about how No Name didn't want to be on the soundtrack because of that that

very issue. I wanted to know what your thoughts were about that, because that's great, I mean, at the same time, it's sort of like fucked up that folks. Bred Hampton would have definitely hated or on the soundtrack instead, like it would have been lit if like you know, he's like all right, you know, like let's say they brought him back from the dead. They're like, all right, we're gonna make a movie about you. He's like okay, and

but but we're not gonna put your politics in it. Well, we're gonna have like a modern day black revolutionary and like communist beyond the soundtrack, it might be like, oh okay, you know, like cut of down, but that it's like, we're gonna take your politics out of the film, and we're gonna have a bunch of like black capitalist neo liberals like on the soundtrack, Like that's just a couple of sorts in the back. Oh No, I think it's

a bit overblown. I mean, there's there's nothing that I've seen in any of the previews or any clips or even just like the title of the movie, there's nothing I've seen that suggests that this was supposed to be about Fred Hampton. I mean, it seems like it's about the informant guy. It seems like it's about a whole other dude. I mean, the movie is called Judas and the Black Messiah, not the life and philosophy of Fred Hampton. I don't know. It seems like he's a character in it,

but not the main character. So I don't know to frame it like they stripped him of his politics in the movie when that's not even necessarily the point of the movie. Althought. You know, I haven't seen it, so I gotta wait till I see it first. Yeah, I don't think that's what it's about. And perhaps we'll talk about it talk next week or something. Right, do you remember that movie with Brad Pitt, the assassination of Jesse

James by the coward Robert Ford. I mean, yeah, vaal, yeah, it's like, if you're with you hear the title of the movie, it's got like another dude's name of the title in the movies about him. So somebody went and saw it and they're like, man, this is fucked up. How this movie wasn't about Jesse James. Like, yo, it's not about Jesse James. I don't know, Like this is like in the film, like it looks like and somehow it doesn't only get into at all, like the shitty

is about It's not unprecedented. There was a movie with Don Cheetle playing Miles Davis that it wasn't a biopic at all. It's like a private investigator detective thriller with Miles Davis in it. I mean, it all depends on the way the movies made. If they're trying to make Malcolm X style of movie but they stripped fred Hampton involves politics, then yeah that's fishy. But it seems like they're trying to make Deep Cover but set in the backdrop of what fred Hampton was doing. So I don't

I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, so many questions. I guess I gotta see the film. Yeah, yeah, does look it does look cool though, like and she did give it props. I'm saying that the cinematography is also acting is dope. So you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Well took that out next week and weren talk to something about it. All right, We're gonna get into this J dillas stuff after the job. Sunday mark the fifteenth anniversary of Jay Diller's second studio album, an inaugural masterpiece, Donuts.

It was released on his thirty second birthday, three days before his death after years long struggle with blood disease and lupus. So this week we're going to look back on the iconic album and its impact on hip hop culture and discuss J dilla's medical struggles leading up to his premature death. What they tell us about the health care system in the United States, And that's the thing I mentioned a little bit um like at the top.

You know, Sunday is also my mom's birthday. She is recovering from having COVID, which was a terrifying or deal for our family because she also suffers like from lupa's like Jay Diller did, and complications to los it from u comprelations of lupus have caused have severe long problem. She's like on a breathing machine most of the time. So we we're fucking like that. We're all like, oh, shoot,

mom is dead. I mean she's she's like better, but like the remains to be seen the the long the long lasting impacts of her having had COVID until well see what happens with it. But I'm glad she's doing okay. But the coincidence of their shared birthday and their struggle and what health care access means for people like her and you know, people in the United States and people within the hip hop culture make this episode a special one for me personally. It's so very excited to talk

about it. Yeah, J Dilla's death kind of hits close to home too. When he around when he died is around when my father started getting sick. So my dad passed away two years after Dillah did. And I just have this real vivid memory of me and a bunch of my you know, hip hop rapped friends, and we were watching something. It was like a live show. I want to say. I want to say it was like rock the Bells or something like that, but I don't want to say the wrong thing, so I'll strike that.

But we were watching some tape of like a live performance and Dila came out at the end. It might have been like Slum Village playing or something like that, but Dila came out at the end to do like a you know, surprise versus. The crowd went crazy and everything. And it was around when I first started getting into Dila, So I didn't even really know what Dila looked like like that. I just knew him for like, you know, as credits on a on an album liner in the beats.

So I saw him and I'm like, oh, it's dope. And all of my friends were like shocked because they're like, man, he looks really skinny, you know, And I just I'll never forget, like how like all shocked they were to see him looking different than they, you know, had seen

him before. And then it was like shortly after that I had went home after not being there for a while, when my dad's already getting sick, and when I saw my dad again, he was in the same sort of skinny state because he he was like a really big, you know, big guy, and I saw him and he was he was small, and and just that that connection of like jay Dilla passing and how sad that made everybody, and then me discovering his music a bit later and not really getting the chance to really like dig into

it while it was happening in the correlation with like my dad when he started getting sick. That's just that's just oh way, It's hard for me to even hear Dillah without thinking about my father instantly. So this episode definitely hits close to home too. Oh man, are we am? I gonna cry? Are you gonna cry? We're gonna be okay, But let's go ahead and get into the album right um so. On Metacritic, Donuts received universal acclaim from critics, based on an aggregate score of eighty four out of

our hundred from game reviews. Pitchfork put the album at number thirty eight on their list of top fifty albums with two six and number sixty six on their list of top two hundred albums. From the two thousand's Rolling Stone write the album six out of their greatest albums of all time now. Structurally Donuts is a thirty one track instrumental hip hop album. The only lyrics are the short phrases and samples that are snagged from other records. Most of the songs are quite short um as far

as like. The length goes about a minute minute and a half for each one, and they vary in style and tone. The album's original press release compared its sound to scanning radio stations for in an unfamiliar city. The track order is also kind of unusual, so the album begins with an outro and then ends with the intro, and then the ending of the final track flows right into the beginning of the first one, forming Some might say, uh, the circular shape of a doughnuts infinite loop if you

would yo when that ship came out. I mean I have wrapped over those beats so many times because we just used to have that on like an infinite loop. And just like you know, just get a little quick little sessions in all the time, Like whenever before we would go out, heads would spin it, you know, caps would be smoking and freestyle and over that ship. And then eventually once like the hip hop Nights and stuff all over the country started getting that into their rotation.

When dudes would go cipher, you know, they would always be spinning Doughnuts stuff. So I feel like I've wrapped like four albums over those beats at this point. I will always think like Doughnuts is well always when we think of like sneaking and watching like Adult Swim as like a child, Like I was pretty young in like two thousand six or whatever. Yeah, I guess it wasn't like a child per se, but like were you in six, um,

I was fifty fifteen and two done? Yeah, But like so like watching like Adult Swim late at night and like just like them, like the kind of hip hop like they would play. It's like the bumper music during

like the Adult Swim programming block. Like I didn't learn until later that they had a partnership with Stone Star Records, UM, and like actually like collaborated on having a lot of Stone Stow artists like make the music for like that time of night on Cartoon Network, but like like waking up like bleary eyed in the night and what is like you know this sounds cool, but then like kind of just having this ambiance in the background of of ship of like ship like Jay Della, and it wasn't

until like an adult and it's this is true of me with a lot of well, I feel like I'm a latecomer to a lot of like of hip hop up his era, just because like I was like a weird age to like access it when it came out, um like as an adult like sort of purposefully, like in the way that like you go to like a dojo and like learn all of the fucking moves from the sense like going back through the discographies of artists like Della to like learn about you are, like our

history as a people, to gain like a like a conscious sense of what like this music means and is, um And so I'm just like deeply appreciative now. Whereas as a younger person, um he like I kind of remember like having it on in the background or like hearing snippets here and there and were like let's nope, I don't have to come back to that. I'm gonna

have to cycle back to that one. And just to give some of our listeners who aren't familiar with J Dilla a little bit more context, Just to give you a sense of some of the artists that J. Dillah has worked on. I'll try to say something that are pretty popular. We've got a tribe called Quests Far Side. He's made Beats for Day Last, soul Buster Rhymes, Keith Murray, Um Mad Skills. He's known for working heavily with Slum Village, which has els I in it and els Eyes. One

of the greatest um he's worked at. Janet Jackson, Ericapat do Q, Tipped the Roots. The list goes on. Dealer realized there was something not quite right with his health back in early two thousand two, fresh home from Europe but sick to the stomach. When feverish, he thought he might have a bad flu, but his mother took him to an emergency room in suburban Gross Point, Michigan, and his blood plate lit AC count should have been above

one fifty, but it was below ten. Doctors told his mother they were surprised he was still walking around, and so J d was diagnosed with drombotic romocytopenic purpora tt P and incurable disease of the blood that results in low plately count, low red blood cell count, and often kidney, heart and brain. This function this is what it was also battling lupus, but she had been diagnosed with the

previous year. J Dill's illness and medication caused dramatic weight loss in two thousand three onwards, forcing him to publicly confirm speculation about his health. In two thousand four, two five Data underwent treatment at Cedars Sinai Medical Centator for complications brought on by a c TTP and lupus. Put tracks from donuts recorded in the hospital during this time using a Boss SP three or three sampler and a small forty five record player that his friends by him.

That's fucking amazing, Yeah, because like I can't even like it's so easy for me to get taken out of my artistic zone, you know, I know, like, oh my could be mood not today, Like I could be like typing some ship, you know, and like type like four lines and then forget to save it and those lines go away. It's like, oh yeah, I wasn't supposed to write today, I'm just gonna drop this, you know what I mean. I can get in a bad mood and not feel like being creative, So that's I mean, I'm

not even sure if that's dedication. That sounds like it's just like a natural extension of his body, you know what I mean. It's like, Yo, I'm in the hospital, son, break my MPC. I mean, I wonder if like a sense of his own mortality pushed him to like bring the most you know, artistry he could out of what must have known We're going to be some of his

last days. Yeah, I wonder. Yeah. So. Jay Diller's mother, Maureen Yancy, herself a former opera singer, spoke of watching her son's daily routine during the creation of Donuts and Two. In a two thousand and six issue of Fader. She recounts him being in the hospital trying to go over each beat and make sure that it was something different, make sure that there was nothing he wanted to change.

She said, I got a glimpse of the music during one of the one of the hospital stays around his thirty first birthday, when friend and producer House Shoes came out from Detroit to visit him. She told The Fader, I would sneak in and listen to the work in progress while he was in dialysis. He got furious when he found out I was listening to his music. He didn't want me to listen to anything until it wasn't finished product. I know that feeling. Throughout the Throughout the year,

his medical condition worsened. His legs started to swell up, making it difficult for him to walk, so at times he'd wake up his mother in the middle of the night and ask her to move him from his bed to his instruments. At times, his hands swelled up so much he could barely move them. As well, his mother would massage them smooth the pain so he can continue

working on his album. According to Kelly el Carter at Detroit of the Detroit Free Press, J Dilla told his doctor he was proud of the work and that all he wanted to do was finish that album. And he did finish it um three days before he died of cardiac ars and his death dealt a heavy blow to

the hip hop community, especially Detroit's hip hop community. But sadly, you know, though, I remember I think his mother was quoted as saying she was so glad that he wasn't suffering any more the troubles in there for Della's family, unfortunately. In an interview with The l A Weekly, Arthur Urk, the executor at Dilla's estate, described how difficult it was for the estate to protect his legacy due to bootlegs

and unofficial mix tapes. Dilah's just kind of gave out CDs of his works to rappers to wrap over them and stuff like that. And that's actually like like a known story, like Dillo would make these Dila beat tapes, and I mean, if you if you watch certain interviews with certain rappers, like everybody had a fucking dilabeat tape.

And I think they were like all different too, but just everybody had these beats and they were just like I'm not even necessarily sure if they would pass him around, because I'm pretty sure they would respect like the craft. But there was just a lot of them around there because Dillah was so prolific and he worked with so many heads that there were so many of these beat

tapes around. Yeah, so his beats were just kind of everywhere, and it was hard to get money out of people for their use or expressed the importance for the estate to gather all possible income related to Dala's name. Since between the taxes, video, the i R s, and being uninsured in the hospital, dealer racked up six figures in depths toward the end of his life. And I mean, this isn't surprising really, given that the United States has

the highest overall healthcare costs in the developed world. As an example, one year is of one year of Dela's dialysis probably costs between fifty three or seventy thousand dollars, and that was just from one part of this treatment. Imagine how much it must have cost for him to be in the hospital for months and months at a time. About a hundred and thirty seven million Americans struggle with

medical debt. In two thousand nineteen, to study down that sixty six point five percent of all personal bankruptcies are tied to medical issues. About a third of the money raised on go fund me in seventeen was for medical expenses. Ensure. You know, the Affordable Care Act had been passed since Dilla's death, but it still leaves so many millions of people uninsured and so many others left out in the

cold by the barriers of bureaucracy. Um. You know, just trying to navigate the marketplace and figure out how to get health insurance isn't enough for some people to just say fuck it, I will take my chances. Particularly, you know, young people that don't think. You know, young people of Villa's age are younger that start off life thinking that

they're invincible. They're gonna be fine. But then, on top of that, since two thousand eight, health insurance adoptables have increased eight times quickly as wages, So the situation isn't really improving. Over the past year of Americans say they've steered clear some sort of medical care, including doctor visits, medications and nations, annual exams, screenings, vision checks, and even routine blood work because of the expense. So a blurry

eye goes blind. Blood sugar roller coaster, A blood sugar roller coaster gives way to amputation and fatigue you think is a bad cold to actually lupus and if untreated, will kill you. Um. With the way the system works, even if you're fortunate enough to have insurance, it can still be difficult to understand what you're being built for and how much you really owe, so you can have insurance, but even then be too scared of surprise bills co pays or deductibles and to actually use it even if

you do have the money for it. Yeah, Like I have insurance through my job, but i only use it for like therapy, because I'm like, it's just so distrust doctors showing up for an appointment and my co pays this, but actually my deductible is this, But actually I get a bill six weeks later saying I owe them that. Like, I just rather just take my chances and maybe die

than deal with this bullshit sometimes should. I sprained my wrists like a while back and ended up going to the doctor and literally just saw the doctor for fifteen minutes. He told me that it was a gangly insist that it might go away on its own or I get it drained or whatever. I was like, okay, words, so

I could go and think about it. Left, and they ended up hitting me with a bill for a lot, just a lot more more than a visit warranted that I know, all you need, all you need, this had to happen once, and you know, just terrified I've ever going to doctor again. And then you start to get sit like, oh, my back's hurt, and I don't know what that's about, but like I don't want to get

billed to g again. Yeah, exactly out of the cries you have, like spinal cancer or something terrible that you could have survived, but you didn't get checked out the doctor. So it doesn't have to be like this. And I think it's interesting to take a look briefly at how the number one healthcare system in the world works just a few thousand miles or north in good old Canada. A you know, I used to live in Toronto? Did

he really? I don't know, of course you did. I assume you lived everywhere, so like a surprised for a second, and then I was like, oh wait, I knew that, but actually did I know that? Or did about? Just assuming of course he did. I've lived in more places over the world than I have in places in America. Fun fact of the week. All right, so what's tell

us about Canada? Bit? In Canada, doctors in private practice are generally paid through fee for service schedules that itemize each service that you received, and then they pay a fee to the doctor for each service rendered. So you know, you go in for your gangle and sist or whatever the fun they got like a you know, fee for service schedule that tells you how much that's gonna cost.

That's how much the doctor gets paid for that. And these fee for service schedules are negotiated between each provincial and territorial government and the medical professions in their respective jurisdictions. Nurses and other healthcare professionals are generally paid um salaries that are negotiated between their unions and their employers. So that's how kind of everybody's paid is worked out on

that end. Then hospitals are generally funded through annual global budgets that set overall expenditure targets to limits, as opposed to these fee for service arrangements. So they're gonna say, like, all right, in two thousand and twenty two, this is what we think we're gonna you know, that we think healthcare is going to cause for this hospital, and then that's negotiated between the hospital and the provincial or territorial

ministry of health or with the regional health authority or board. Um. Again, all paid for by like these I guess akin to like states, the states, you know, negotiating with either the private health care providers to the hospitals. Right. So, for long term care, let's say you're in some a position like villa health care. Services provided in long care long term care facilities are paid for by provincial and territorial governments, um. But then room and board costs are paid for by

the individual. Usually in some cases, payments for room and board are also subsidized by the provincial territorial government. So not only is it like all right, we all baby like medical costs like also, it's very expensive for you to literally stay here and sleep here every day, so

we're gonna cover that too, fucking pig uh. And then I mean, but the kicker, the catch, if you could call it that, is it supplementary health benefits like prescription drugs outside of hospital, central care, vision care, medical equipment appliances like per THESS or wheelchairs, um, and you know, other health professional services like this's your therapist aren't usually

covered unless your kids are very old. So people who don't qualify for the supplementary benefits pretty much like if you are a normal age or whatever, um, you need to pay for these services out of pocket or through private health insurance plans like in America, and like America, many Canadians either to their employers, are on their own are covered by private health insurance that helps, you know, cover the cost of these supplemental forms of care for

your doctor, for your dental appointment, for your glasses whatever, whatever. So super cool. So, I mean, fans of Medicare for all probably know all this already. But here's a few things that I think are superior. Number One, usually, I mean most obviously, you usually don't even see a bill, and even if you did, it wouldn't be nearly as high as a bill that you see here. Because in Canada costs your control. Canada pays ten percent of his

GDP for its health care system, and boom, everybody's covered. Plus, the tax payments that fund the health care system are progressive, so if you are the lowest twenty percent of income earners, you pay six percent of your income into the system, while the twenty highest of income earners pay about eight

percent of their income into the system. Another plus, the simplicity of the system leads to major savings and administrative costs and overhead, so you don't have to like hire someone, so you don't have like your own your insurance company like that, but you have to pay to like hire the person that goes through and try to figure out why they're going to deny you care for some reason, and like pay that person's salary. Like all that extra ship gets cut out, and then you can really choose

your doctors and hospitals and keep them in Canada. There's no like list of in network vendors and no extra hidden charges for going out of network or anything like that.

And then there's the outcomes as well, So Canadians have longer life expectancies and were infant mortality rates then do US residents, So it actually like turns out better for people that would come in super clutch right now, yo, Like I mean, I feel like Medicare for all or like you know, single care of universal health care is like maybe my second favorite like policy, and it's because everybody,

like hell, everybody has health. Like if you eat, maybe you don't want free college or maybe like this or that, but like we all are mortals that are gonna fucking die if we don't go see a doctor. So literally everybody is impacted by this, and just like thinking about like the sigh of relief like that just ease on your chest of just saying like I don't feel good, I'm gonna go see a doctor. And to have that kind of agency, Yeah, to just be able to go do it and not feel that it's going to be

like a like crippling, serious financial blow or somebody. All you need to worry. All you gotta worry about is if your hands broken. Yeah, there's just one thing, Like my hand hurts a lot. I think it's broken at all you gotta focus on right now, is they in my hands broken? And not like it's just especially now in the age of pandemic. You know, it's like a you don't know, you don't know what the long term effects of COVID are actually going to be down the line.

And it's just like the more people that have that sort of flexibility to get themselves taken care of and still like live like a life is a real crew. Yeah. Now, I can't know for sure if affordable health care would have meant that Dilah would have gotten treatment sooner or have been able to afford higher quality of treatment, either of which could have prolonged or saved his life. Lucas and T. T. P. R killers, So perhaps the conclusion

was foregone. But I do think about the number of Dilla's out there that end up selling their MPC to pay their for their treatment, or never get a chance to make their masterpiece in the first place, or who who can't muster the strength to create dig in the record store because they can't afford treatments that they need to feel well. And in his personal case, I consider the fact that his medical debts kept his family from enjoying the royalties of his music after all these years.

So yeah, I mean, we can't know what, how the how a different health care system in America would have changed the trajectory of Dilla's life, but we can't imagine the impacts that does have on creators or would be creators that do live here now and do see their potential is constrained by the you know, hurdles of bureaucracy, the expense, and then the very real cost of life that comes with m delaying treatment or not being able to afford the kind of quality treatment. And I'll give

you a high quality of life, the longer life. And also another thing to make it hit home is just consider that it's like I mean, I don't know what Jay Diller's finances are like, but we just read a whole laundry list of famous rappers that Jay dill has made songs with. So, you know, if you haven't experienced the America's health care system personally, then just consider that the dude who had all those songs had financial troubles dealing with the ship once he got sick. So what

are regular people who don't have hit records? I know, Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, So let's take a little break real quick, and when we come back, let's do a little discussion of the impact of Donuts and Jay Dilla on um hip hop a process spectrum ever since. Alrighty, so we're about to dig into some Jay Dillers songs, uh, some some joints that are off of Don't Nuts and kind of go into some of the rappers that decided to rap on them too. So up first, we've got one

of my personal favorites out of this crop and crew favorites. Uh. It's the track one for Ghosts, which ghost Face Killer ended up using on his album Fish Scales under the name Whip You with the Strap. Pretty much ghost Face flipped it to make it a joint about his mom be acting out as a kid. That's so funny that he like so j Dela finds these little samples and just throws them as like a little adornments on his

minute long songs. And then you see it further being like copy and pasted and stretched a new direct and where it's like the little sample like when I was bad, Like he's like, you know, you can see ghost Face like musing on that and then having the whole story in his head about getting his ask meat by his moms.

I love it when cats do that with especially for songs that have the vocal samples in them, you know, like when somebody writes around with the vocal sample is because sometimes sometimes cats are just rap over it, you know what I mean. It's like, oh that that vocal sample is just like another instrument in the beat, So I'm just gonna wrap over it. It's just part of

the beat. But I love it what cats are like, Nah, I'm like pause, so the vocal sample can just play by itself, or I would even make the whole song

about what the sample is. Like. I wonder if Ghost Face told him yo, I have an idea of for a song about getting beat by my mom's and so Jay Della found the sample or did jay Deal find the sample, and ghost Face heard it and then wrote the song It's crazy, and then the whole narrative like actually when he's describing like himself doing as like this bad as whole kid in cussing and stop at yeah, pick the peas off my plate, poured juice in the nickafus,

just being a little like god like little minutes. It's just really adorable. Yeah, I love that song. I love that now. That's great. Yeah, Oh, not to go too far off topic. It probably is far off topic. But there's another song on that album called It's about like the difference between a Kilo and a Graham or something

like that. Remember, yeah, that album is so good fish sales, Yeah yeah, okay, So up next from the Donuts, we're gonna check out the track the Last Donut, which Buster Rhymes and Raw Digga ended up using for their track the Best That Ever Did It. We're just gonna listen to the Best that Ever did It and you'll you'll hear the instrumental on this. Yeah, what a little bit of play. That's a fucking classic banger right there. Rod

Digga is so dope. Yeah, classic and classy. It just like makes me want to sip some fucking cavernet on a goddamn like balcony overlooking a Parisian canal. That's another one of those joints that you know, you go to any hip hop knight in the country, any hip hop knight in the country, if there's a cipher going on, they're probably going to spend that beat for people to wrap over. Yeah, like I was saying, Rod Digga doesn't

get her, Rod Digga is not do. If you guys don't know who row Digga is, highly recommend you go listen to some raw Digga. She's insanely dope. Don't come back until you Yeah, I'm like, you're not allowed to listen to the show anymore until you listen to Until you don't listen to Rode Like for real, this next one,

I don't. I don't want to get two out of pocket and say that This is possibly the most popular, or at least most recognizable joint off of the Dilla Donuts, because Dave Chappelle ended up using this as a theme to his Netflix specials recently. A couple of years ago, this is the track working on it Um. It was used by the Roots for a collaboration with Saigon for the album Game Theory. The verse from Saigon can be heard in the mixtape Return of the Yard Father. Let's

check that up, Catching Yo. I just get sucking hype every time the ship comes on. I'm just like I'm in a spaceship, or I'm in a taxi cab flying through Detroit, or am a toime machine going back to nine seventy. I don't know it's happened in me, but I love it. We're getting it, like I just fucking I don't know what it is about that track. So

it's so inspiring, you know. I recently found out that, you know, a lot of people think that Diligenous used to you know a lot of people think that dill It was just like a master at like chopping the loops and stuff. But I recently found out that he actually, towards the end there he was replaying a lot of those samples. So he would like sample the track and make the ship, and then he would go back himself and like play the keys in the MPC baselines over

the stuff to re like replace the samples. I don't even know if it was necessarily, you know, to not use samples, but I just think he started going more towards that direction in his production style. That's just like inspiring because like I I didn't even know that he did that, but that's like something that I try to do when I'm making joints because I I sample for

my beach too. But it's like I'll actually get friends of mine who are musicians to replay stuff and then you know, letardly the other day, this dude is just doing that ship himself. Is like, fucking musician. I'm the musician. Let me sit here and figure this out real quick.

The next five, Nfdom and Guilty Simpson wrapped over the track mash Um, which they then called Matches Revenge, which appeared on a Stone Slope Camp compilation called Feeballs Don't Be Worn Because Jealous Van came to the back with blankets along with two of the bassest brought back stacked with black spits. Jesus Christo, you were You were such a crazy motherfucker too. You're talking about okay, Uh what does he say? Uh? Dyla raised the beat like an

anchor banker. Overstand the shooter and plays the heat and Shanka anchor and then he's like, guess what, chicken head Bucks. He's just saying, crazy ship. Yes, somebody should have made and I don't know if somebody has already done it, but somebody should have made like one of those uh mashup joints with like just m F Doom and donuts. Oh, it's got to be out there. So I mean, it's just like that. That just seems like somebody, you know,

I'm not talking about a track or two. I mean like just take all the best m F Doom joints and just put the acapellas over donuts, like I want to hear it. Hold on, wait a second d J producer out there? If it doesn't exist, okay, No, I got excited and I was like, wait found it. Yeah no, it's just a couple. So they got like, uh this the Dan Ghost, Doom the NiFe really and I knew about that. And then the light works Yeah I knew

about that, but it's not like a whole thing. Yeah, now I want to hear like a whole out there. You know, Doom definitely has enough songs and enough verses that you could do it. So yeah, Okay, So for the last one, let's let's make it a bit more temporary. Let's check out a contemporary rapper like Big Sean paying some tribute to Ja Della. He raps over the instrumental for the song only two can win, Only two can win, and that's worth more than another flower. Sometimes being yours

worn't more than promote. The only problem with it, it's not even Big Sean's fault. It's just like listening to a Big Sean verse directly after you listen to MF Doom verse. It's like that's cue. It's like if you read. It's like if you read a novel and then you read something that's written in crown and it's like, okay, yeah, you just finished. You just finished, like the Simarillion, and then you scroll Twitter for an hour. Big that's not

Big Shots responsibility. He didn't tell us to listen that that was dope. That was dope, but draw our attention because likely to like how different all these beats sound, And so I totally get the comparison that they like us in the original press that release for Doughnuts, that like, I do feel like I'm scroll like I'm scanning the radio in a city I've never been to before. But like it's not completely random or it's like it's still

all in the same time period. It's still like but like it's still like popping back and forth between the rock station and like the conservative talk radio and the jazz and the you know it just it does sound like two different you know, two different producers at war with each other. For we never heard it. I've never heard it describe that way. Um, as far as like the whole concept behind it being like you're scanning the radio stations and it's like when to hear that that

is the actual direction. Now I can kind of hear it, and now I want to go back and listen to the album against I can like, you know, listen to it with that set of ears, knowing that that was the direction that they wanted to take with it. Well, I think that is going to do it for us this week. If you guys haven't listened to jay Dilla, you should listen to some jay Dilla and check out the description of this episode because we'll have a list

of the songs that we're playing in it. Um, I have a new song dropping tomorrow to go check that out. It's on all of the the I'll you know the thing, I really wish that we had it like that, that we had what do the kids saying? The kids say cloud, right, I wish that we had the cloud that we could spend our favorite j dillaby and start wrapping over it

like that. So you know, soon maybe maybe with you'll support if y'all keep subscribing and listening, and you know, I'm saying that maybe they'll let motherfucker's used to beat Joel. It's gonna beat. I probably should have thought about what I was gonna wrap work. He started to beat, Yo yo yeo. Yeah, reparations, dope knife, you know, the sun pillage, the illess love tainted free like the slum village. Got the dutch cracked open. Someone come fill it, roll it

real tight round the back now, the sum spillage. I'll be lying if I said I ain't rambling. I was trying to stay focused, not to go on the tangent. I came in there with a plan. I don't know where I landed. Now I'm sitting here and wrapping about weed and I'm stranded. I closed better next week, get a technique. So when I go in wreck beats and make you shake your flesh cheeks. Dope Knife linga frank dogs like a ten piece with a side of grits, make you want to get the recipe to my homie dealer,

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