INTERVIEW CLASSIC: Keller interviews Justin Credible: Is Sami too much like Daniel Bryan, Roman's pros and cons, Lesnar's conditioning, more

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thank you for joining us today Thursday September twenty fifth, two thousand fourteen. James Caldwell and Greg Parks will be hosting tomorrow and we are flipping days and Interview Friday once again has moved to Thursday, so it is Interview Thursday, and today's guest is a returning guest, and we're very pleased. I'm very pleased. I don't know who we is. I am very pleased to welcome former ECW World Heavyweight Champion, former longtime WWE wrestler Just Incredible, also known as PJ

Bilocko by most people these days. PJ. Welcome to the.

going on in WWB today. One of the topics I'm curious to hear from callers on Justin and we'll delve into this is the pros and cons of WWE having a choice this January about and this might simplify their options. Things could change. But if brock Lesner is still the champion undefeated in WWE, has a choice of a returning healthy Daniel Bryan, of returning healthy a Roman Reigns or Dean Ambrose maybe gaining some momentum hopefully not being hurt

by being on TV more. Now, which of those three do you go with to win the World Rumble in face brock Lessner ort WrestleMania And if you have a fourth option that you think is a dark horse candidate, give us a call and tell us that too. And our phone number here is six four, six seven two one, nine to eight to eight. Peage your thoughts on that starting question. I'm curious what you think now that Roman Reigns is out with hernia surgery, out for one to three months estimated.

I doubt you know this would never happen. Probably but you know, just to see him punk card you always, you know, just just from well, you know how it is we all are as fans and what we would like to see. Not saying that that's going to be a possibility, but you could throw that out there. And of course the natural one would be Roman Reigns, because that's what we've all been hearing is where the ww

wants to go. So, I mean, those would be my but I honestly think it'll probably be Roman Reigns realistically, with the choice that they're going to go with if he's healthy.

Where do you think his strengths and weaknesses are in terms of showing that he is on pace to be at the level that WWE hopes and expects he will.

like anything else, you get better. I mean, it's just not a natural thing, especially the way they do it today where they force feed you lines and you pretty much have to do them verbatim, so it's a little more difficult. But I like what I see from him. You know, my biggest concern with the way they're handling him is they're so in pushing him down the fans

throats mode. He went from being cool to not. So, you know, I don't know, man, because it's just that we the fans, the real smart fans, and the males, you know, the young males, would drive that conversation of well, now he's getting pushed down our throats, we're gonna rebel against him, and he'd be the next John Cena where he's just you know, he's going to be the WWE's flag bearer for X amount of time. So I mean, I think he's doing a great job. I like what.

You know, he still has a ways to go. Now, we got to see if people be able to carry you know, fifteen twenty thirty minute main event matches on big time cards. So but I do like what I see, and I think he's got he's got a good move set and he could work. So I mean, I think it is it's certainly a big up.

and also seth throw it. So was he talked about both guys first sets, and then the bulk of it was Roman reigns. Uh, the strengths and weaknesses of both guys and what they need to do to get to that next level. And with Roman reigns, you mentioned, you know, maybe he ends up being the guy who John Cena

gets the John Cena reaction. My react. I've thought of that before, and certainly we've seen a little bit of that page the you know that he's not getting the reaction that's expected, but I haven't seen a rebellion yet. And the reason I don't think we're as likely to see the you know, let's go Roman Roman sucks phenomenon that we've seen with Sena is because I think Sena

brings on some of that himself. You know, I think Sena is And actually, just last Friday on this live cast, I interviewed Chris to Joseph, who was part of the rise of John Cena on the WWE creative team from two thousand and five through I think twenty eleven. He was around a lot at John Cena's rise, and I asked some point blank, is John Cena a cooler guy off air? Then he comes across on air and the Joseph who's been around scene a lot, like I said, you know, was in ww during scene his rise, said

oh yeah, he's a cooler guy. Then he comes across on air. Roman Reigns is from what I've heard from talking to people, Peage is a more witty, personable, intelligent personality off camera, then he's coming across on television. But what he but when he is on TV? Unlike Sena, I don't think Rains comes across is uncool or dorky. He just comes across as a little too careful.

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he got interfered with. I just thought, because I know him personally, that you know, that was a pretty authentic version of who he is. So I just worry with with them trying to make such a you know, uh, this this guy to carry this banner of this huge you know company that they're just going to eventually. You know, I just wish and I know this is never going to happen. They would just allow guys to go out there to some degree and find themselves, because that's where

the real magic is. I mean, hell, you know, when I did Austin's podcast not too long ago, you know, just by being in the ring with although Montoya and being able to kind of shoot on me that he discovered some of the some of the funnier sides or some the win your side. Because if that stuff was scripted, or you were trying to find that lightning in a bottle, it wouldn't happen off a piece of paper. Sometimes it's just you know, you're feeding off of that that moment.

I just wish that's something, you know, for them to really break business open again, they're going to really have to start relying on on some veteran talents to to step in and maybe help them. I don't know, find that again, because I think that's what's you know, Unfortunately, we're just getting. You know, when you have to read a promo and I've been there before, it's your memorizing lines instead of being able to hit bullet points and bring yourself in there. He seems he seems very capable,

but also very robotic at times. What I think a lot of those guys, do you know, So even Triple H, who I know, follows the script from what I've been told that the writers write, or even he has a hand in writing whatever, even even he at times stumble bubbles through words, you know, and that's not that's not likely of somebody of his caliber, because I think you know, you're it's a one take show, you know, to one

take business. But you're trying to replicate a movie script instead of what we've done in professional wrestling, which is just to go out there and steal it and do it so we'll see.

of your brain is working. And what you're doing is you're looking at words and it's traveling right to your mouth, right and when you send bullet points, you're seeing ideas and the words that come out of your mouth have to travel through your brain first, and when words travel through your brain, they come out sounding extemporaneous, They sound natural, they sound like their thoughts you have now that you're speaking, instead of words that were written down that you're reciting.

And it's a big frustration with WWB that they go to the extent to that in a kind of a control freakish way to know everything that everybody's going to say before they say it. And I really do think pro wrestling draws fans based on fans feeling a connection emotionally with the babyfaces that they admire, and feel a different kind of connection of friction with heels that you're supposed to pay to see get beat up. You want

to see them get what they've got coming. And when everybody's reading scripts PJ, you don't really feel that connection because they're just trying to recite memorized words.

even this translates to the wrestling. When I would wrestle certain guys both in WWE and DCW, when I wrestled guys that were more spot orientated, where I had to remember a lot of material, you could tell that character wise or my aggression or I didn't sell properly, or I was looked like I was second guessing because you're thinking instead of when I was out there with other you know, other times where we were more ad libbing or improving, I was more natural and it was just

it flowed better. So, you know, it's a big part of I think, in my opinion, just maybe I'm a little too old school now and I know things have changed dramatically, but I just think they need to trust their their wrestlers a little more and give them a little bit more of a leash to to, you know, help help them, help them, help the wwe.

free reign. He said, look, you know you're wrestling, you know, saboo and anarchy rules you know in Chicago, and this is you know, he's you know, you've been running from him. But you know, give you whatever kind of things he wanted to really accentuate. And that's why you went. And then of course after a couple of cakes, he might say bring it down, you know, reel it in a little bit, or I need more of this. But really it was that marriage of that creative put you know,

that a little bit of bancher where it's pulled. You know, you're both kind of in there trying to figure out what that natural progression is. And that's that's a little more you know, I get why they do what they do because it's a little more time consuming to do it the way you know Paul did it, or you

know w W E traditionally did it. You know, sometimes back in the early nineties to mid nineties when I was there as Aldo, you know, sometimes we'd be in the promo rooms till one two in the morning doing all kinds of market specifics and trying to nail down because of course, back then a lot more was pre taped than is today, so of course it becomes more time consuming. But again we were allowed a lot more for your rain to develop who we were, you know,

And and Paul was great at that. If he saw something that he liked, sometimes, you know, stuff we came up with stuff that you know, he like, you know, whatever. It was, just there were more ideas being thrown into the pot than being he handed a piece of paper. And I feel when the writers write for these guys, it's the writer's interpretation of who this guy should be, and they're not letting them be who he is. And I think that's being big, you know, thing that needs to change.

Roman reigns being so heavily scripted and and wwes and I mean there's good and bad in it. And I've had ex creative team members on and they defend it and they talk about us. Some guys just aren't they They need that scripting in order to survive in a three hour TV environment where you have to cut long

promos and so you can adapt each situation. And John Pymerine was on a few weeks ago kind of explaining, Hey, when you see words in a script, a lot of times those are the words that a wrestler came up with that he already spoke and feels, and someone just transcribed it. And it's just a guy both. So it's not like guys are handed a script they had nothing to do with it, and then they sit and memorize it.

That's not the case with most guys. But I would think you when Paul Hayman is getting you kind of in character and repped up, it makes it a lot easier to give a true emotional based promo instead of just reciting memorized words that you're nervous, you're gonna get wrong.

sent a camera crew and there were no writers. There was Tommy Dreamer and Paul, you know, and Paul did most of them and uh, you know, and Dreamers sometimes did the lesser guys. But you know, it's just it was I guess it's it's I don't know, man, for me, in what I think professional wrestling is. I know they don't like the I mean, wrestling is a bad word in the WWE.

the real, you know, organic thing with the audience. And and you know, I just I'm I just you know, I know, I know things are a certain way for a reason. I just don't particularly love the style that they did today as far as the promos. And also, like you said, I think it should be handled with you know, a guy like you know whomever, a guy like John Cen or some of the guys that don't need to be as a coach shouldn't have as much or sure to have a hell of a lot more input.

And they shouldn't have to hit every single line. I mean, because when you're sitting here wondering if you're supposed to stay in this or an end, you know, it's really you know, it's I don't know, man, it's just weird. It's just weird to me. And I you know, I've never had the opportunity to do long promos, I believe me and X Puck. When I was up there, I had one or two in ring promo segments, and you know,

I could tell you they weren't probably very good. That being said, I could just you know, I couldn't imagine Steve Austin capturing the attention of the entire world the way he did if he was out. They're reading for a school and maybe that's just an isolated guy, but I don't think so for the Rick Flairs back in the you know, the Ages or the other or the other greats, you know what I'm saying. So, I mean that's a that's an argument for the Ages, I guess, but that's my opinion.

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on the indie change. And it's not like TNA is in very good shape or even you know, Ring of Honors, ring of Honor, but they're you know, they have a very small piece of the pie. You know. Yeah, guys are on eggshells. Guys are trying not to make mistakes,

and you know, trying to be everything to everyone. And you know, and I could tell you, man, the times I was there, you know, I started to happen in two thousand and six when I Will was last there, But in the in the nineties it was nothing like that. And when I was there two thousand and one with the invasion angles all the way up until January two thousand and three, it wasn't like that at all either.

And I think when you have that thing where you're so scared that you're going to miss a spot or god forbid, you mess something up in a promo and you're going to lose your job, or not to mention the locker room politics, which is off the hook, you know, just ridiculous. You know, Yeah, everybody's walking on xshlls twenty four to seven.

drugs or alcohol. That's fine. I'm glad that the business has shifted from what it was, you know, to what it is today. In that aspect, I'm not talking about that, but I'm talking about just having fun, whether it's in the ring or whether it's you know, in the back, or whether it's you know, when you're talking. This business was about being loose and having fun and creating. I mean, if you see somebody, you know, even like when you watch the old d X stuff, they're out there having

a good time, you know. And I'm not a huge fan of DX believe it or not of you know, some of the over the top skit that thought some of them were actually quite vulgar, and I wouldn't want my kids watch it that stuff today. But nonetheless, they're out there having fun, and you know, it's just a looser atmosphere. You weren't so worried about if I go in this direction, am I going to get a call from Talent Relations saying I'm done? Or am I just gonna not be on the booking sheet the next time

something comes out? Or if I take this chance in the match and sell a certain way or do a certain thing, is it going to mean that I'm gonna have heat with the locker room leaders of the boys, whereas Hunter are gonna be mad at me if I did this? Or that it's too much thinking about kissing people off, excuse my language, then to just go out there and be able to create, you know, and that really causes a you know, a damper on things. I mean, this business, we used to get in the cars and

just learn. So we talk from you know, sometimes four or five hour car rides from you know, from the beginning of the ride till the end about what we did right, what we did wrong, how we think this could be better, and you know, just trying to really sharpen up our characters and ourselves to be better because you know, the guys I now would loved this business, and you know it was just times were fun, It was a good time. You were able to feel like

a part of something. And when you take that out of the equation, it just becomes about showing up, being a robots and doing it for the money. Quite frankly, if you.

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didn't want to take phone calls. We asked that question at the top of the show, Dean Ambrose, Roman Rains or Daniel Bryan, who would you go with? In why to win the Royal Rumble this year? To face brock Lesner at WrestleMania WWB. Yesterday, Peach had to issue a denial of rumors that brock Lesner was having some health issues.

People compared Lesner's performance at Night of Champions on Sunday to what Ultimate Warrior looked like at his Hall of Fame speech and during his WrestleMania speech, which is a scary comparison to make. Lesner was sweating and red faced and all of that. I just saw it as typical brock Lesnar to have a red face, that's kind of his coloring. And I expected he would be sweating because he was wrestling a match, unlike Ultimate Warrior, who wasn't

rushing a match. So I see some key differences, but I did comment before any of this came out that I thought Brock, to my eyes, did not look like he was in the greatest of physical shape compared to other appearances he's had for WWE. On this run, I thought he looked a little flabbier and got winded a little sooner and seemed half a step slower. And that

could be so many things that played into it. Maybe an injury cousme to not you know, a minor injury cousum to not be able to train his hard, or it could have been some stress or who knows what. But did you notice anything like that Peach on a Night of Champions on Sunday in I I.

view and that's fine. You can do all kinds of training, which I'm sure he does. I'm not saying he didn't train, but there's nothing like being in a ring full time, and then of course you got a factor in, you know, did he You know, when you have that kind of coloration, you're sweating like that, you know. For me, I used to always take fat burners sometimes for caffeine, Like I hated drinking too much coffee, but I take a couple of hydroxy cuts, for example, to try to give you

the caffeine. Sometimes that has that first effect where you know, you could start sweating and it, you know, raises your heart. So I mean, there could be a whole host of things, but I wouldn't think, you know, I would hope certainly, not that you know, it's it's anything like that. But no, I mean, you know, he did look a little bit more blown up, even a little more blown up. But I mean that could simply just be not working all

the time. I mean, that really does it to you, you know, to have somebody, to have somebody, even though he's a tremendous, tremendous athlete in brock Lesnar, you're still you know, you're doing it. You're in a worked environment, and he understands that. You know, it's possible to say, hey, maybe I'm just gonna you know.

be fine. But that's what you get when you don't have a champion who's wrestling on a nightly basis, because that's where you know, I do a lot of cardio, I do DT yoga, but not being in the you know, I wrestle sometimes only once once a week, you know, sometimes you know, every every other week, you know, so it's it's rare that I get more than you know,

two matches per week. And that's what you kind of really need to put on, you know, wrestling matches whereas the other guys out there wrestling and every house show every night, you know is in is in ring shape, and I'm sure you've heard of that ring shape and just being in shape. So it's a totally different thing. And you know, I think that's the case of him blowing up a little bit too early.

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timing was good in that regard. Is I talked about this for VP members on the Wade Keller hotline yesterday when I was answering VIP member email questions. Dean Embros to me, feels less like Steve Austin and more like Randy Savage Roddy Piper. That that type of of of role in a promotion. In other words, even when Randy Savage Peach was the top guy, I don't think anybody ever exhaled like, oh, we got our guys. This is we're gonna build around. Same with Roddy Piper. He was

never meant to be that top guy. He was that unhinged, crazy guy who was too uncontrollable to really be relied upon to be the face of the company. He's not to me, Dean Ambrose fits the role of that guy who just can't be that lead guy and shouldn't be

that lead guy. Not that he's a sidekick, but he's he's somebody who's most valuable, like a Roddy Piper was, and maybe less of a perfect analogy, but I'm still using it Randy Savage, where in a pinch you can go with him for a short time, but he's most valuable when he's not the starter and the headliner in the face of the company. Your your thoughts on that take on Dean Ambrose.

you know. He he like I said, his perfect analogy was the Rainy Savage when he had his title. And it's not like he's underneath the title. But he's certainly not He's not the guy that you could count on to build. He's not the next John seen that sort of thing. And I totally agree with you, and you know, I certainly and that's not a bad spot to be and because sometimes there's more longevity in that spot than there is in the top spot. So yeah, you know, so, uh no, I totally agree with you.

I mean it doesn't have to say it has to go into like you know, the little skivvies, you know, a little skimpy shorts, but some kind of wrestling tight and I don't know how you get there. You know, maybe when he comes back, just come back with a whole new look, you know, something cool and something that

fits his style. But yeah, absolutely, just something It's something more along of an MMA fighter, you know, something just intense and you know that says I'm going to kick your ass and I mean business now, you.

just move better and it allows more flexibility. But you know, I just and and I think it's you know, at least for me, because I would like to see it seem more sports orientated these days, at least as a fan of the major company in you know, in the world. Quite frankly, I'd like to see it mirror a sport.

along the lines of it, they were smart. They would make it more of a you know, go back to making it more of a sports field because it's still you know, so extremely popular, so especially with the USC and comparison, So I would, you know, as a stand I would just like to see that in a more sports oriented and base instead of the way it is being presented so much today.

internal logic to how they're filming their promotion. I think there should be a set of rules for every show, and it doesn't mean only one way works, but you have to pick away and stick with it and defend

it and make sure that it makes sense. And what I mean by that is, if it's a sports like presentation, you could never imagine turning it tuning into a NASCAR television show presented as real competition and have drivers and trainers just chatting about like top secret things about strategy and ignoring that a camera and microphone we're filming them. It's just absurd on the face of it. It would totally

take you out of it. That said, if I go to a movie theater, I pay a ticket, I sit down on a share, the film starts running, and it's something I know with film months ago, and it's seen the same movie scene over and over again, all over theaters, all over the place at different times. I'm expecting that to be more of a movie production where you kind of stuck me into that world. You draw me into

that world, and I buy into it. But of course the characters aren't acknowledging the cameras because that's the narrative rules of movies and you got to pick one and go with it and have a reason for it. With wrestling, I think you want to have that sports like feel, which is if a camera's there, the athletes know that the camera is there because you're an athlete, but cameras have been given access to what's going on behind the scenes, and they're roaming around filming you. I like TNA's roving

cameraman that sometimes ask questions off camera. Jason Hervey did that for a while. I like that approach because it seems more happenstance. What I do not like is WWE And just when I think of this, I just think a Hunter and steph because it's always a way that

they do it. They're always on the phone and then they are either interrupted or wrap up a phone call at just the right time for the cameras to be filming them when someone else walked in the room to talk to them about something really important for striving storylines on the show. And it's just too convenient. What if Kane didn't walk in the room and interrupt Hunter, or what if John Cena didn't walk in and interrupt Stephanie

on the phone? Would they have just shown us ten seconds of Stephanie talking on the phone and then they would have cut to a break, Like it's just stupid, It's just stupid or too old. What are they thinking? Just have a camera roaming backstage and it catches up the Triple Agent and there's somebody asking them a question off camera. Make there be a good reason for that, and so I agree with that. I just think WWE is kind of suffering right now from a lack of

taking a step back. Then we can talk about this as a larger issue with Raw. It's just taking a step back and having a meeting and deciding what is our narrative structure right now? Why do we make the choices we make? Like, to me, Miss Anddelfzigler had an icy title rematch on Monday at the top at the first match on Raw, second segment, and there were no promos to set it up, almost no backstory to it.

And to me, if you're gonna have an icy title match and you want people to care about championships, peg, don't you have to have the wrestlers do what they're good at and Miss and Dolph are both good at it and maybe very good draw us into what's set stake in the match and what their feelings are going into it.

the hour or something. Because sometimes it's the little things that make all the difference in the world in my opinions. And you know, unfortunately, I know Vince gets a lot of criticism for this is that you know, there's now when you're filling three hours of show. I mean, I hate to say this, you know, but I'm going to be bold about it. I mean, it's painful to watch three hours.

That was one of the beauty the beauty things of the Attitude era, and even with Nitro and stuff, you know, when it was really both were really hot that period of time. There is that you know, everybody sort of mattered on the show. You know, everybody kind of mattered.

And now it's like when you see certain guys, you know, I don't want to I'm not throwing any names out there to be rude, but when you see certain guys, you just know what it's going to be, and you know it's you know, back in the day, when you saw a job guy, you knew what was going to happen. You knew the guy was gonna go out there and get squashed. You know, when you saw PJ. Walker and the very early days of Raw against Razor Ramone, you

knew what was going to happen. But quite frankly, haven't these guys who supposedly have entrances and in the tron video, really they're just jobbers anyways, I know at the same extent, So really, if the WWE wants to regain the spark, I think they're going to really need to focus on the mid card. Yeah, they're quite Frankly, I think they're really going to need to to turn this whole thing around it and just to start because Hunter's done a great job with with NXT. NXT to me is my

favorite program, my favorite wrestling program. I watch it every every Thursday. It's perfect as far as it's one hour. You get a couple of good matches to kind of see what's good. It's it's easy wrestling viewing raw. It's like all over the map and it's so it's a marathon, and believe me, with Monday night football, it's hard to get my attention. So I think these are things they really need to to to, you know, ask the questions

of how are we going to present this? And uh, you know just and two just how you know you handle that third wall there that dimension of the camera and you know that's those are unanswered questions. Those are little things that could be fixed that would change a lot a lot of the logic that goes on.

had people just salivating at what's the next segment? And boy, that last segment was good, but I can't wait to see the next one and the next one. And they've really set it up and they've built my anticipation. They've they've they've made me want to see every single segment. Even if they did all that I'd still vote for two hours because I think two hours in the long run is better for the booking team. It's better to

not overexpose your top talent. It's better to not throw an icy title match out there the day after a pay per view, cheapening the pay per view and the icy title at the same time, just because you don't know what else to do, because you don't have enough guys over and so you just throw that rematch out there. Same thing with russav Mark Henry So I would still be for to our show. Even if the three hour show is going well. Despite the advertising revenue, I think

there's long term damage. I think it hurts the network. I think it hurts pay per views. I think it hurts SmackDown, and I think it hurts howse show ticket sales. You want people left wanting more, and three hours just doesn't do that. And people say, well, baseball games are three hours, or football games are three hours, but you're not watching the Colts against the Texans every single Monday for three hours. You're seeing Roman Reigns and John Cena

and Dean Ambrose every single week for three hours. It's the same team. So if the same two teams played every three or every week for three hours, that would get old. And that's where that analogy just doesn't hold up. And if you watch your team for three hours every week in the NFL, it's your team against a different team every week, and that creates novelty. But WWB doesn't

do that. So I'm with you as often as a case, almost always justin You and I are on the same page on this stuff, and it is frustrating, but I know they can do better. I know that there is stale on this there. I know, as you talked about that, there's some frustration there and it do do you remember September traditionally being the worst month in wrestling annually?

one time. So I recovered them and I'm putting them up and it's really fun to go back in time and listen to you know, this last week we've been talking about Randy Orton becoming the youngest champion of all time and all the backstage politics of the decision to do that. And one thing Pat McNeil said in an audio update that we just put up is why he was writing about on the newsletter too, why September is the worst month to be a wrestling fan. Do you

remember that being the case? Because it's people are just feeling post Summer Slam doldrums right now, and I'm wondering if that's more seasonal or if it's just kind of just a random bad time for phisic Man and company. I don't know.

feel that way. Plus, you know, just from a human being standpoint, you know, when you always have that thing in September where you're a little bummed out, summer's over back to you know, and that effects everybody's in some way. Plus football, the excitement of football returning, at least to me as a sports fan, it's always and as the case as many Americans, so wrestling gets to be a little bit forgotten, you know, even if you're a wrestling fan. So I think it all has something to do with it.

So yeah, I always kind of did remember it. I mean, it's not bad for me, as you know it with indie bookings it seems to be the opposite. But from a major league standpoint, I totally catch it. Yeah, absolutely, and then it really doesn't recover until around the Survivors series quite frankly.

Survivor's series. So I think it's I think it's just always been that way for whatever reason, I'm not sure.

fifteen twenty pounds, but it's not inevitable. You actually can stop after one cookie. You can decide the stress isn't going to cause you to break your your no pop habit and start drinking sixty four ounces of coke every day. It's like, there's other ways to deal with things. And ww ME needs to find new ways to deal with the post Summer Slam transition right now. In granted they've

had some some kurkfall thrown at them. They injury to Daniel Bryn right after Mania, and the injury to Roman Reigns. Now that just the kind of the mad timing, Rob Van Dam and Jericho being you know, kind of legacy special attractions who have gone away. All at the same time, it's it's tough and now you're world champion. And I don't disagree with them making him world champion, but this all happens when brock Lesner, a very part time guy,

is your centerpiece world champion. And I thought it was strange Peach on Monday that they didn't talk much about brock Lesner.

it was very educational for me. And you know, just when you think you know it all or you know it all, you hear some stuff and well, you know, the business in some ways has in very dire straits.

And I mean, I know, I'm not, you know, trying to be all doom and gloom, but if the WWE doesn't kind of start to figure out what's going on and how to present their thing and how to to hopefully get a good should I say, you know, a good a good road, you know, get on a good role where things are starting to feel things were feeling good with Daniel Bryan and injuries happened. They happened in sports,

that happen everywhere. You can't and that's the thing, you know, Unfortunately, they just don't have a whole a whole hell of a lot of veterans to kind of That's why I always thought, you know, because back in in in you know, the eighties or even in the early nineties to mid nineties, there was always a core group of veterans that could come in and save that saved the day, whether it

was from a rival promotion, were right in house. And I think now that you know, the business has eliminated you know, not territories, but the other company or you know, other major stars that have been built elsewhere. Really Steing is the only other guy that we're clamoring for to be in a WWE ring. But other than that, it's there's not going to be anybody to come here and save the day from another you know, company or whatever.

So WW has to really start thinking of long term, like how is this going to you know, are we going to be able to Is this what WW is going to be like for the next ten, fifteen, twenty years. And it's not very exciting if it is. You know, are we relying on you know, we thought the whyans we're going to be a big thing, and they've kind of fizzled out. I don't know by who are what's faught? So it's like, you know, it's just a lot of uncertainty. And in the fans, I think, you know, I think

fans are frustrated. I think they're frustrated quite frankly, and I think, you know, a lot of things are going to have to be retooled and restructured or else. Wrestling is in a very you know bleak out, you know as a bleak outlook as far as the what it is or how we know it today, you know.

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in their name. I just think that's stupid. I didn't like impact with a small I and capital mpact explanation point. I just I think you can have a logo, but just use regular English when you do stuff. But that's just a pet people mind, it's not a big deal. But to me, if Kent is going to be successful, he's going to be successful. His success is going to have nothing to do with the thousands or tens of thousands of people in the United States who know him by Kenta, and so to me, it's just it's a

non issue. I don't see it as disrespectful. I understand WWE deciding to have a fresh start with it in the United States. The flip side is WWE wants to make inroads in Japan, and I think what the concern is not so much about getting over in the US, because that just doesn't matter. Almost nobody knows who he is in the US relatively speaking, But in Japan, will they see a new name as disrespecting the history and heritage that he's built up in Japan and what the

Kenta name means and why he chose it. It's more of a risk in Japan, but come on, it's not He's gonna get over and not as long as he doesn't have an awful name, even if they change it from Kenta.

a big deal. And you know, and I get it in Japan, but you know what, as long as he gets over on WWE TV, it'll translate on you know, when it's when they broadcast it over there, and uh, et cetera. So I don't see it being a huge deal, although I do, you know, in a perfect world, I don't see this, you know. The reason to you know, I don't know. I was always a traditionalist. I liked when when people came in with their names and they brought their names over. You wouldn't change Ric Flair's name.

And I'm not saying Kenjas Ricclair, of course, but you know, I just I always liked you know that. You know it's a UFC doesn't make people change their names. So you know, again where we model, you know, we always talk about USC unfortunately, but uh, they seem to have gotten it right on a lot of way, in a lot of ways, and there their business just like the WWE, and uh, you know, I don't know, but it's not a big deal.

You know too, you know because sometimes like I never you know, if you put me out there for three or four minutes, I you know, you would probably think I was the shits. But you know, guys like like myself, I went out there for twenty minutes and that's where my strengths were. And uh, you know, I wasn't a

flashy guy. So and I know he hasked like you know, he has great move of move sets, but I think it's just you know, what I'm saying is I think he's more used to going out there and being judged on performance rather than a couple of moves and maybe you know, a signature little you know whatever he does like a little you know, that that moment where you're on TV. So I think he'll figure he's a very

smart guy. He will figure it out. I think he'll be more than okay, you know, but I wasn't super impressed. But that's not I wouldn't judge him by that, absolutely not.

athletically from what they watch on national TV. And indie guys are not always but typically the standout indie guys are smaller, more athletic, and it's all about just whoa, I got to see this cool dive in this high spot, non stop rapid fire. That's that's typically indie style, and there's absolutely variations to it. But in WWE, they're smart enough to know that is not sustainable, and they also know the formula of WWE is you make the most money in that last You know that second half of

your career. You know that that's when you've established who you are and the fans have a bond with you, and you're not gonna be able to keep up with guys who are a lot more athletic than you and younger and kind of burning out, using up all the bump cards, all their bump card points. So what they want is they don't want undercard guys to come out there and do all their moves on the undercard. And then,

and this goes back to Hulk Hogan. You know, there was pressure in the eighties on guys who were really good workers in the territories, their spirits were kind of broken, and then eventually they're like, well, maybe my spirit isn't broken. Maybe that's just an easier way to make a living. But guys who were great on the indie scene toned down their style because Hogan didn't want to be showing up. He didn't want the crowd burned out. So I understand

the rationale for that. I'm curious Page what you think of finding that balance between breaking the breaking the spirit a little bit of Kanta or restricting him like Gray Mysterio, Okay, pick your four of your favorite forty moves and only do those. You know, like, where do you stand on that? And it's kent of an exception where he should be allowed to go at a different speed because that is what's going to get him over.

you know, continue a certain style. You know, I think guys, you know, sometimes guys do get lazy up top, and you know everybody's always shunning you know, change up there. You know, it's very hard. It was very hard for a guy like me. I mean, you know, I didn't have a very impressive run into ever in w w E, you know, quite frankly, and you know it's like you get in there, it's like, oh, by the way, you can't do your tombstone piles driver. Somebody's always already doing that,

can't you, superkick? You can't do all this, you can't use it. You know, the things that basically made you popular. I couldn't do, you know. And it's not like I was able to go out there for thirty minutes and put on a match with you know, guys that could go. So, you know, you got to be very careful. If you want him to succeed, you're going to have to let him be him. Of course, he's going to have to also tone it down a bit and get it down to that four realize how how could I do that

in four or five minutes in a TV match? You know, And that's on him. But they're certainly going to have to let him be him or else he's just going to be a glorified you know whatever mid cart guy or you know, he's not going to be able to do the things that made him impress it, you know. And that's the thing is is I think unfortunately guys always feel when they go there that they have to

become something that they're not. And you know, the reason I got picked up, the reason you know, he gets picked up, or you know the other slew of guys that get picked up is for their work prior to getting there, you know. And we can all adapt. But again, when you adapt, are you necessarily oh you know, are you changing because you have to or they want you to. So I don't know. It's a sticky situation, but I think he's going to have to be him to a certain degree.

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big money promo will have hurt him. Possibly. I mean, I know he's taken strides to learn the language, and I'm sure you know, if WW wants him to get over, they'll also think of ways of getting him over through you know what I mean. They'll find clever ways of you know, having him you know, maybe not as much Mike time, but cool little ways, like even something as corny as the you know, little you know, little skits that they did to tie and tie back in the day.

There's just I'm not saying to do that, but there's just certain ways that they could assist you, regardless of what it is through gimmickry that it wouldn't hurt him as much. And I think he's trying to learn the language, and you know, he's doing good from what I hear, so I don't think it's going to be an issue at all for him. And believe me, man, it's amazing. Everybody in wrestling from Japan to Mexico knows you know, clothesline, body slam, tackle, drop down, hip took, Yeah, they know

all that stuff. Yeah, wrestling is a very it really is. It's very and it's it was made that way that it's a very universal language as far as entering performance.

the crowd, phykeed up. Everything seems really similar, and it seems like maybe that could be a reason why he doesn't make it whenever it gets.

and act and react very similarly to the crowd. Now, I think it's going to be up to Sammy to well, yeah, and in partnership with the w W two to kind of find something that makes him stand out. I'm sure he's not going to be coming up to the main roster just as we see him today. I'm sure there might be a little twist or a little something extra

that you could put on him. I mean, I know traditionally they try to keep it the same, but yeah, you know, yeah, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world, but it might be harder to to identify who he is and what he would what he he would bring to the w W roster. But like like Wade said, man Hew, you know, you know, you could have as many of them around as as you want, it would never be enough because they could always provide you know, great great restlance.

to have a similar slot. I get that, And I mean I think they probably will give Sam He's saying something to differentiate himself, and that could be the hold up. You know that they're trying to find that right moment in time. You know, people complain about NXT and oh, why don't they call this guy up? He's so ready, so much better than people I watch on Raw, and and part of that is just, you know, sometimes there's just disagreement over who's a good fit as the main

roster and who can protect a personality. And sometimes it's behind the scenes issues where they're worried about discipline or maturity and all that. But sometimes it's just they that top management in WWE loves them too, and they don't want to bring them up when they're going to be overshadowed by Resumania season or when there's not a good spot for them where they can really dedicate time to pushing them. I think they probably do that they lean

on those excuses too much. But sometimes a guy got not getting called up like Samy's aint isn't because the don't think he's ready. It's because they're not ready for him, right, Yeah.

That's just the reality of it. And you know, that's the way people keep their jobs up there is by saying yes, yes, yes, and really you can't argue much. So if somebody doesn't you know, somebody in the right place doesn't believe that they're ready or you know, this is this, this is that they're going to agree with it. So you know, it's a very h is a really hard situation. And unfortunately we will never just see who who are the best workers, the best athletes, and we

really you know, what's the funny thing. They always talk about what's best for business. We rarely see what's best for business in.

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pretty good faction as far as sactions go. andX Topic just oh, no problem at all, but I mean it, And uh, all right, Dean Ambrose Seth Rollins Roman Reigns with you know, Rains being out due to a you know, unfortunate injury, so that kind of pushing back his few with Rollins. He thinks there's a chance that they could look at doing maybe a three way Shield match heading toward WrestleMania, rather than pushing Roman Reigns into the main event.

And then, just one more comment before you tackle that one. I definitely agree one hundred percent that since the Shield broke up, I've been hoping that Roman Reigns is a tire would change. I just feel like he every time he comes out, he reminds you of the Shield and reminds you of a great group. They were awesome, but

they're gone. So I just don't think anybody should hold that look because they just remind you of the great matches they had, every raw, every SmackDown that just won't see anymore.

as you could get out of it. If something was clicking to that degree. Hell, you know, go with every possibility. And I just feel like they jumped the gun trying to find that that next big thing, whether when that next big thing might have been right under their nose to begin with, you know, go go to the left

field a little bit, go left a little bit. Who's to say that they couldn't have really run things for a while as maybe not that you know they're they're not the top babyface, but the top entity where you know, another horseman, faction of that nature, something of that, you know, think outside the box, not just all right, we're gonna split them all up and try to you know, send this guy to the top, and this one will be over here to the right, and this one'll be over

here to the left. I mean, yes, they could have gone so much further with that whole thing, so it. Yeah, it's the shame. I really liked the intriguing idea. Quite frankly, I didn't think about this. I'm surprised is that, you know, hell somewhere down the line put him putting them all in the match together.

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made made it. It just seem like way bigger, made way bigger of a deal out of it than it was because I don't think any viewers cared what the announcer looked like as long as long as the announcer did a great job calling the action. And nobody's been better than Jim Ross at that, So I agree with that specifically, Uh, Zach Gowan, it's very tough to have a one legged wrestler and not make an issue of it.

Though he you know, he's he was on the show right backtally back the weekend before Somnia this year, great guest, and he he knows he's going to be on the show as a novelty to a certain extent because it's a wrestling show and realistically, a one legged wrestler is not going to be treated the same as a two legged wrestler. But peech, what what do you think about the point CJ brings up? I guess my short my short take on it is it has to be situational. Case by case it is.

I agree, I think it is situational, very situational. Look, the bottom line is this, and you know, we hate to say it, but it's you know, it's about uh, you know, we live in a very in a society where what's pleasing to the eye is what sells. Whether it's that you know, tip go blonde hair, you know, whatever, the you know, whatever kids like, you know, whatever, the you know, thee whatever's considered sexy is what they're gonna think.

You know, what we they think the American public is going to find sexy is what they're gonna put out there as far as well with the men whatever whatever they think that men and women will will will dig

in a wrestler. Yeah, I think it's it's very it's it's you know, they're they're out there trying to I don't know, but you know, even just even saying with Vince, like how he's always liked and preferred bigger athletes, bigger wrestlers, the giants, the the guys that are six seven, you know, two hundred and eighty three hundred pounds, you know, muscle

bound guys. So yeah, I mean it's unfortunately, we live in a world, in the confines of Pro wrestling world, I should say, we're in a world that everything is again relies on the opinions of a couple of people, and it doesn't necessarily reflect, you know, react because it's it's a worked business. It's they pretend to the world.

So yeah, it's it's very situational and uh, you know, I think from a responsibility standpoint of WWE, which they do now because everything in the world is so politically correct, you know, in that PC environment where things that we said ten fifteen years ago we would never say or do today. So you know, but you know, but I don't. Unfortunately, I also know that the ww does that because they have to now, because they necessarily feel like they should.

on a case, my case fasis. Sometimes people are overreacting. Ted Robinson, an announcer is suspended for some for from what I've heard of it, I didn't hear the exact comment or I didn't hear the actual comments in context, but it seems like he got suspended for a ridiculous reason, and other people are getting suspended for pretty good reasons. And so it is case by case. But what it comes down to is being decent. You know, like you don't have to be on you know, on eggshells, but

are you a decent person? You know, are you somebody? Are you being empathetic or are you picking on the week or or going after somebody in a position of power who needs truth spoken to them. And that's kind of my guideline, you know, it's if you're if you're picking on somebody weak or discriminated against. You know, maybe it's not you shouldn't be proud to be to be

anti PC. But if you're just outlooking for somebody to make a mistake and blow it out of proportion, then you're the one with you is You're not the person you're policing. So it is so case so case by case, yes, it is is yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's just but the thing is wrestling is a cosmetic business, and it's there's a little bit more freedom CJ in wrestling to put wrestlers in the ring who have one like.

You'd never see that in the NFL, you know, I mean there's but you would see ugly announcers in the NFL and baseball, and there's plenty of quote ugly announcers based on you know, model standards, but they're really good at what they do and their FaceTime is limited because it's about the athletes and the networks value what they're play by play, and I think sometimes wrestling has gone too far in that direction. But CJ, did we do

a decent job addressing your your points? You do you want to add follow up?

and I agree with it to a certain extent. I guess what I see is that wrestling from a sociological standpoint is so fascinating and then at the same time it has such potential to be a force of good in kind of addressing these issues that are society. And it's totally since so much of it is scripted and predetermined, it's not exactly hard to do to undo racism or undo a bit of peptism.

It makes black lizards look like a jerk. However, they did really ever show a person that outside of disability with Zach Allen, and then for that to become is like down and fall of well.

as raising a special needs son. I get it, and and you're right, and we unfortunately in wrestling, we tend to marginalize things like that, and we kind of, you know, we do the you know, we take the easy way out. So I would like to see, you know, i'd almost like to see it be portrayed in a better light, or at least dig a little deeper if you're going to go that route. So I do understand what you're saying. CJ is one hundred percent. I do hear you.

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shame on them for that kind of stuff. But that's you know what that's again that in my opinion, that that for fraternity style alpha male environment, that WW is whether male or female. You know, it's like that, you know, hey, I'm better because I have less body fat and bigger muscles and whatever.

bit more about NXT because justin been watching it. But I do want to say, as far as wrestling being seasonal, our our traffic, our listenership for the p W Torch live cast since WrestleMania, and we've had four complete months May, June, July, and August since WrestleMania season those four months beat January, February, March in April. And I say that one because it's great that, you know, the show has been successful and

we continue to grow. But part of it too is WWE doesn't have to resign themselves to this big drop in ratings and business at different times of the year. There's there's a real I mean, there's a I mean, there's a there's ups and downs week to week, but overall month to month, we just consistently grow and so

there's not a big drop off right after WrestleMania. On this show, we have a really loyal listenership, and we actually did more listens in May than we did in April, which and we did more in April than we did

in March. So I'm just saying, I'm looking right at the chart, you know, and it's just I'm not seeing that seasonal drop that WW finds inevitable and I wanted to bring that just go back to that conversation or reference it page, you know, we talked about, you know, yeah, designing the film to it, and it's just I mean, people who listen to the show and download the show do it year round consistently, and I think wwe should

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went to a rematch Withsina. I thought the story they needed to tell to get Roman reigns over at or so Many thirty one or who met beats Lesner at Mania thirty one? If they even go with Lesner losing that soon. The way to build that storyline up is become promoters, not presenters, and promote the hell out of somebody for a month and give fans something to believe in that this is the guy who has what the

last guy didn't have. Not everybody's not every MMA fighter who beats another fighter is going to beat the guy that that guy beats. There's so many reasons that there's a tangled web of traits that lead to somebody maybe having a physical or mental or strategic advantage. So my thinking was line and I wrote this in end notes in the newsletter a couple months back. Line up opponents for Lesnar and have him go through a new next big hope every month. And Ryebek was one of my guys.

I thought, rye Beeck is a guy that they could build up in time for November December to be a guy. And Rybek comes out there and says, I've got the I've got more power than all of these guys who have been out here who have tried to take him down. And you know, give have three or four talking points where you give fans that story to believe even that

Ryeback can do it. And I'm not saying fans believe he would do it, but you'd give them enough to get invested in the possibility of it may be happening.

That's what they did with Hogan. Hogan went through new opponents during his late eighties early nineties title reign in the WWF, and it was a new guy every month or every couple months, and they built him up and made you believe whether it's Hercules, or whether it was earthquake, or whether it was Randy Savage, I mean, the whole race, big boss man, like, I don't see I don't, I don't they haven't done that, and I don't know who's next for Brock, and I'm disappointed, And so Ryback seems

like somebody who you know, he was out with an injury. We don't know his return date, but if he were available, I kind of liked that idea.

you know, Unfortunately the political system there. You know, he does a couple of things wrong or something that they might see that's a flood of his character or his ability, then you know, everybody gangs up on that. So you know, I can, I could see how that could gets spiraled out of control. But from a pure athletics standpoint and what he brings, you know, he's a charismatic guy, and I honestly think that it was a little bit of work that he could he could be somebody still regardless

of of the path he's gone down. You know that they put him down with, you know, with Curtis Axel. So yeah, absolutely, dude, I'm right there with you. I mean, you can't wait. I mean, he's not that many guys look like that, and you know, quite frankly, he doesn't have to do a whole hell of a lot. But he's a pretty talented guy, you know, all things considered.

for eight years. And I don't believe in that. I think somebody can be valuable at freshening up, giving yourself a break from the same guys incestuously fighting each other by building somebody up to be a main eventor for maybe three to six months, and that might be all they have in them. But if you do it, you'll make money with them, and you have no pre you have no you're not reliant on their ability to then be a main event full time for the next thirteen years.

no surprises. Fans know like, oh, Rum and Rams, he's the next guy, this is what it's going to be, and that's it. And I think wrestling could be so much more than that. You got to come from the left a little bit because, like I said earlier in the other part of the broadcast that you know, we don't have the privilege of getting guys that were already established, huge stars to jump on over. So now you're gonna have to think in house and you're gonna have to

shock the people once in a while. And you know, there's a lot I mean, they have a hell of a talent pool. It's not a lack of talent, it's just the lack of imagination and a lack of guts. Quite frankly, I hate to say it, but you know, it's a lack of guts to what you can do. Sometimes you're gonna have to take a chance and if it bombs, it bombs. But you know, hell, there's there's there's a lot of people you can play with on that roster. You know a lot of them, and he's one of them.

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for it. Took guys who were in seven out of eight ways, and I'm exaggerating slightly, had no business being in the ring, no business being featured on TV, and he took that one thing and he made money with them. Even if it wasn't for five years and it didn't, he found a way to make money and rotate guys in. To me, Titus O'Neil, there are absolutely disqualifying reasons to

say this guy doesn't deserve a push. I had a bunch of other guys, but there was a window there where he seemed to be connecting with the crowd in a way that was special, and I think you could have done something with him and made some money for three to eighteen months, and that's the window with him, and I think it passed. He's been defined down and we now there's no way.

And I don't want to blow his horn too much, but all seriousness, if he was a great self motivator, and that's what that was the brilliance of ECW was Paul's ability to to would I would even go as far as to manipulate the talent to believe that they were something he made. Although Montoya believe he was somebody. Therefore he acted on his dream because my ultimate dream was to be a world champion, or to be somebody, to be an event, a paper view or two, or

whatever the case may be. And I think if the wwe did a better job of possibly instead of having it being at alpha male you get it or you don't, or if you don't, you know, if you can't kind of follow the leader, you're going to fall behind. If they would take certain guys who they felt that potential and nurture them a little more. Then they'd be in better shape. I mean, sometimes it just takes a little bit of a mental switch to click off in that

athlete and then they act differently. Believe me, I acted much differently as just incredible getting a push in ECW or being the ECW World Champion than I ever did as a member of the X Factor, because I had Paul there to kind of say, hey, you are this guy,

you are that good. You just got to believe it, and I did so Therefore I went out and performed, whereas in the WWE, I was just one of the million, believing that I probably wasn't even deserving to be here, you know, And that's that's dealing with but that's dealing with individual psyche. But you know, you know, as an athlete, the psyche is is half the battle, if not more, because if you believe you're that guy, you will perform as that guy, and you'll go above and beyond to

be that guy. And that was the brilliance of Hayman, not even to get on a Hayman kick, but just to get on a where wand could change their approach to guys like Titus or ride Back or whomever to step up and catch that window of that three to six months of using them out on top.

do you think is potential money in the future. Who are two or three guys that you look at when you're watching XT and go, yeah, they're they're going to be main roster They're either ready now or will be soon to be money guys for w W and be long term guys.

somebody I watch and really enjoy is Tyler Brees. I really, I really enjoy his work and he's definitely somebody that that you know, I follow.

can become something more significant. Having the fans been on the journey with Damien just you know, being over kind of just grossed out at at Tyler Breeze's worship of miss To me, that's like that that fits well. I mean, I think there's other things Tyler Brees can do, but I'm not sure you bring them in and make them a giant killer. You know, that's not his.

that would be somebody, you know, somewhere to start. I mean, you know, we have the USOS, we have obviously Goldbust and his brother and you know, you know other teams. But it's just I would love to see a really healthy tag division because to me, I still love to see a great tag team match, and I think sometimes those could be the best matches on the card if you have the right guys to do it. So I'd love to see them, you know, really produce a great

tag division, which I think they're very capable of. And also, you know, I like to you know, and I think he has a lot of work though still to go.

go in the next five years. I think we're going to kind of know if it's going to be you know, a solely you know, solely a WWE entity as pro wrestling or sports entertainment or if there's going to be a healthy business of independent you know, places to work and and you know, bring of honor and hopefully TNA and stuff. So it's h we're at the crossroads right now, I think in this business, so h you know, and and uh and otherwise, just to promote the stuff I'm doing, dude, I'm.

but it's in the works. And I'm you know, so I've got a lot of stuff. I'm wrestling every weekend, still still hitting the you know, hitting the road, hitting every shore i can, and you know, and doing these things. I'm part of the All Star Chanel, and uh, you know, I'm still doing my pro wrestling one on ones as well. Oh yeah, I have a whole whole season of one on ones coming out. And that's it, man. You know, I'm just trying to stay busy and the keeping honest living, my friends.

been so many places. It's it's great that we can talk about today's wrestling scene with you and have it connect to different things, whether it was hanging out with a click on long car rides, being part of Paul Hayman's production of promos, being part of the WWE locker room during different eras and seeing changes in it, and watching the product today, picking out you know, future stars. It's it's it's great to be on and get your insight.

week's case Interview Thursday, PJA. Thanks. We'll hopefully see you October eleventh, which will be great, and hopefully we'll get you back on the show again too, because it's great. Like I said, having since you watch wrestling consistently but have so much history in it, it's a great combination for the style of show we do well.

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