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Capt. James Baynham, U.S. Army, Air Corps, World War II, POW

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James Baynham had never flown a plane before entering the service in 1942. In fact, he didn't even have an interest in aviation. What he did know is that he did not want to be in the infantry, so he volunteered for the U.S. Army Air Corps. Soon he was off to training, eventually being assigned as a B-24 pilot with the Mighty Eighth Air Force based in England. By mid-1944 he was flying missions, but his war service came to an abrupt end over the skies of Germany in late September.

In this edition of "Veterans Chronicles," Baynham tells us what it took to make it through flight school, the planning and execution that went into each mission, and why his fourth mission was even more harrowing than his last one.

Baynham also walks us step-by-step through his eleventh and final mission, during which his bomber was shot down by German fighters. He describes jumping out of a burning plane, being captured as he hit the ground, and what it was like to be interrogated by the Germans. He also tells us about the conditions at Stalag Luft 1 and what daily life was like there. 

Finally, Baynham shares his memories of the prison being liberated by the Russians in April 1945, how he and a buddy did not want to wait around under Russian control and their grand adventure to get across Europe and eventually make it home.

Transcript

Welcome to Veterans Chronicles. I'm Greg Corumbus. Our guest in this edition is James Bainham. He is a US Army Air Corps veteran of World War Two, during which he flew B twenty four bombers. In late September nineteen forty four, his plane was shot down on what is now known as the Castle Mission Raid and he became a German prisoner of war until he was liberated near the end of the war in April nineteen forty five. And sir, thank

you very much for being with us. You're welcome being welcome. Where were you born and raised, sir well, I was born as a little warcker argans Law. I was raised mostly i'd say Petrick Kinda, Texas. What was the impact of the depression on your family? Manda. I had a church business and it is a texta kunta and in the early thirties, I guess the pressure hit. His customer has disappeared and it fold to see what broke. I was about ten eight or ten. We moved to Glenvin's,

Arkansas for a couple of years live with my grandparents there. How did you hear the news of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Do you remember where you were and how you heard that news? Yeah, I said, I was saying a home in Textakouna. I graduate from high school the summer before, and I was in actually lay in bed, listened to radio late morning and heard it on the radio. Yet, what was your reaction to hearing that news. I don't remember immediate, but I was like other kids,

serious, ready to enjoy something to everybody else. Now, you were about seventeen and a half years old at that time, So did you enlist as soon as you hit eighteen or did you get drafted? What was the process? Yeah, I soon as I was eighteen, I went over to Dallas, took the aviation to the test, passed it. I worked for a Safeway at the time, so soon as I passed it, of course I

was signed up. That was the somber of four to two. But went home and they sent me a note that I would be wouldn't be called active duty till December of that year, so I had to go make my job back for a while. Why did you choose the Air Corps because I didn't want to go into infagery. Where did you go for training and then flight school. Well, I signed up, called back to Dallas, sent to

send on to Lacland Air Force Base which was Kelly Field in December. Starting what took basic there was about eight of ten weeks sent for primary flight training, sent to Colon Airfield, ol West, Texas for nine weeks of a

primary flight train. From there, left and went to basic training which was a place called Waco Army Airfield. Took basic air for iron ten weeks and then set across the other side of Waco was a bit called Blackland Air Force Base and it was advanced training twin INDs in advance and I graduated and got my wings there. What was the most challenging part about flights, Well,

for you just surviving. I think about half the guys get worsed out, probably on purpose because that was the player, just to not get morsed out and study everybody of the driving force that was survival. At what point did they designate you to be a bomber pilot? When I went to twin engine advanced at work called black Foot, almost destined to go to Bolt the engine

flying and I graduated from twenty ends. You got my wings and commission and was sent to tart Field in Fort Worth, Texas, where they told me how to fly. I'd be twenty Four's described the B twenty four. I was a big old buck everything four engines, great, big old twelve fifty horse power. It was a box. It was hard to fly. It had a date what the called Davis League, which was very skinny, very

little left. But it holds more bombs than to be seventeen, and we're further so it was probably more of them built in World War Two than there were sevent these, But with seventeens, that was one of the one of the main heavy bombers that were for the europe. How much farther could it

go than to be seventeen, I don't really know. Don't remember that we could go as high we flew it about twenty eight twenty two thousand people for bombing seventeens would go up to twenty four twenty five thousand, so they had a little less accuracyve Flack had none that we did. Both of them had ten positions, a lot of guns on them be twenty fours, although in forty four they took the belly charts out, so we didn't have a billet

protection. They took those out, give us another thousand pounds of mobs because of them. It's because of chure of air force would come up unders and just lobb cantons. And sometimes you mentioned that it was like driving a big old box. So was that something that you adapted to pretty quickly or did it take a while? The Oh the conversation from then that sance that the

twenty four was harder to handle than the seventeen. Didn't have a minute mesch lift on it, so it took more muscle I think to make it, make it move and do things that needed to do it. But I guess we kids were fled. We took it as a matter of pride for rather than a problem. Now, you headed over to Europe on the Queen Mary in the spring of nineteen forty four. What do you remember about that voyage? Yeah? Actually, I think it was a Queen at the same ship

and it was taking us about four and a half days. It traveled fast, or fifteen thousand people on it. We were three pretty well, despite the fact that we had a lot of people on him, officers which we had arrived status. I had four officers on my crew, six inlisted van and the officers eight in the dining room with British wars and pretre you well, plus said we had on that trip. And memorable was it? Miller's

orchestra went over with us. Miller wasn't there, he flew over, but a drummer named Mary mckindley who had handled a band the Little Railver, and they put a few few shows on. So we were kids from Arkansas. That's pretty impressive. Absolutely, absolutely. So where were you stationed once you got to England? First went to Ireland for a little orientation, then a two three weeks and then wound up in East Tangiia. We were about twenty

miles in nors little area called Timpenham. Our bases were only about three miles apart all over that end of England. We had a lot of our singing division, which was betwenty four division, all over the place, just a few miles apart. Tell me about your first mission. What do you remember it most about it? I don't remember this particular. They took me off away my crew for the first mission and I flew with another crew as follow just to get it under my bells. I got and it was scary.

I remember my legs shaken when we rolled the flak room run on the bomb runs with flak busted right outside the windows. But it was meant to a doctrine and me to the world that it did. And the next mission I took my crew with our problems and we went back to Germany and bobbed again. I got to tell you one manner of pride for our for our bind group when I got there. Our COO COO for one of the squadrons was the extracy contribute Seward. Ever, ever, I took pride to that he

was a real genuine baller pilot. He actually flew missions over Germany, and I think he had twenty minu and Andrewsville when they promo him the wing. But he had a lot of respect. We took pride into the talking part that it was our boss. Now we'll get to the mission where you were shot down in a little bit. But you have said that perhaps even more harrowing than that one. Amazingly was your fourth mission. Tell us what was

happening that day and how it unfolded. Yeah, it was this. Now it was pretty deep into Germany. I forget what target was and we were flying long and one just starting the bomb run over their bombays, and a ship and a woman above us about five hundred feet got a dress hit by flack and exploded and dove down right into the plane amazedly in front of us, probably ondrew feet, and the two of exploded. We went through their

explosion and it blew us over on the back. We went straight down for about ten thousand feet, came out to dive someway and lost our group. Of course, we were out there by ourself. Our mombs old bookless on the shekels and tumbled out. But we came out of it and took handing, vaxing on and of it. He was nowhere. We were alone. We finally made it back home that day. So it was a harrying moment and scary. Our plane never flew again. It was so warped out of

truth, but we made it all. How tough was it to keep her in the air. It was really hard to bring her out of that dive. We were going straight down. Charlie Buskin was like co Violin and I were both on the wheel trying to pull it out of the dive. There are a lot of forces are. We were carbdent because I was the fact that to I stress my virgular park. So we took our time and yeah it was hard. That's James Banam, a US Army Air Corps veteran of

World War Two. Still to come in this edition, mister Baannam will tell us about his B twenty four being shot down over Germany, bailing out and becoming a prisoner of war for the next seven months. But up next, Baynam walks us through a bombing mission, from briefing to take off to the bombing itself. That's next. I'm Greg Corumbus and this is Veterans Chronicles sixty Seconds of Service. This sixty Seconds of Service is presented by T Mobile.

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the number one pharmacist recommended memory support brand. You can find Prevagen in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. This is Veterans Chronicles. I'm Greg Corumba's. Our guest in this edition is James Bainam, a veteran of the US Army Air Corps who served as a B twenty four bomber pilot in the skies of our Europe in World War Two. Ahead Baynam will take us to that fateful

day his bomber was shot down and he became a pow. He'll also share his adventure of getting home after being liberated near the end of the war. But right now, mister Bannam walks us through a bombing mission, from getting the assignment to flight preparation to executing the bombing. We lived in a little distant hut along with a couple other crews, at least the far off so he did, and in the middle of the night we would hear a jeep coming to wake us up, maybe a mile from the flight line, and

right here, the Lord he stopped outside our room. If we were on the list that day, come in to wake us up, and we get up, get our eyes open, and make our way to the flight line. We would wind up eating breakfast somewhere along the way got to the flight line. The briefing pretty much like you're seeing the movies where a bunch of guys are in a room, some officer walks in, pulls pull the curtain off of mat and shows the string going to Germany and the conversational weather,

the speed, the location, all that goes on during the briefing. Tell me about taking off and getting information? What did that process involve? Well, wait, of course, we cut the trunk out to the hardstamp where our bomber was. We had a position in the TEXI formation to get out

to the runway and take off where we did some three flights. Of course, me and my engineer would walk, complain, make us sure if we could everything was okay, and then we load on, get our gear on, get our crew in position, get a flare from them control tower, and start taxand and fulling into a bigger line. There'd be on our base about thirty OUs of thirty five would takeout finnerbout every thirty second saved fire, green player, and we'd head down the runway only loaded B twenty four.

We had about eight thousand pounds of bombs twenty seven hundred gallons of gas, so we were pretty heavy, heavily loaded. But take all the runway and get off. Just start climbing to the altitude. That was a pretty dangerous thing based for three miles apart, and we would take off and five couple thousand feet and maybe you turn to keep doing that till we got to like

twenty thousand feet. If anybody made mistake, there's us. There were using some wrecks during the the formation period, maybe a few planes would go down, but before we were and left for Europe. Now, did you generally have fighter escorts for at least part of these flights or no. Yeah, we did most of the time. I'm not sure when the peak fifty ones came in. Forty sevens were there when we got there, but they didn't go quite as far as the fifty ones would. So whenever the fifty ones

arrived they gave us full fire coverage. It was so significant because the minute you didn't have fire coverage, you had German fighters coming in right after. But that's fifty oneths were there. They finned a lull for the most part, and we only had to face flack. Tell me more about the flack. There's not much you could do about it. So how did you deal with it? Were dealt to? It? Said? By a pattern?

Go again. For the most part, there was a couple of gaps in the coastline of Europe that the German's intentionally left open for us, and our whole bombers free would go through those gaps. They in casely did that so they could get us into the one place they do where they we would be going. Usually, if we did that, we got over the coast without much flat. Generally then we didn't really have much unless the night of the take. We didn't have much until we got to the to the bomb zone

and when we got on to the target. Because most ivory bombers Frankfurt, Berlin or Hamburg a big city area and they had their flat cars on rail cars, so when they found out where we were heading, all the guns went to that towards that area that were available. So generally they had good flat coverage no matter wherever you were heading. Tell me how things unfolded as you approached the bomb target. We had what they was called an IP initial

point. That's the area where all your all your planes from one target would go through to form up to head towards the target, which is quite a few minutes to give your volveteer time to line up and aim and drop their bombs. And from that point to the target there was always a lot of flat It was really heavy. They were eighty eight. They were really good

at what they did. Usually immediately when we got in the flat area, they were right right on us and our flike shelves were bursting royal center our windows, and many times we'd get theirs and a plane we got shot down, dockle wingall whatever. Did you deal much with enemy fighters? Only a couple of times we had fighters come through our group and had Bronzer gone time and they did us. But they came through the element of our group,

not down five planes in one pass. They came from above. They were developing a genetic graphic. Time had a jet led for FW one nineties to our group, shot some planes down, dough for the ground and took off. That's only a time we had fighters other than Castle and Castle that is in mass. That's James Banham, a US Army Air Corps veteran of World War Two. When we come back, Baynum takes us step by step through the mission that ended with him as a German prisoner of war. I'm Greg

Corumbus, and this is Veterans Chronicles. This is Veterans' Chronicles. I'm Greg Corumbus. Our guest in this edition is James Banam, a veteran of the US Army Air Corps who served as a B twenty four bomber pilot. In just a moment, you'll hear the whole story of his eleventh mission, which

resulted in his plane being shot down and Beanam becoming a German pow. But first Batam shares more about the types of bombs his plane was dropping and how he and the rest of the crew dealt with the severely cold temperatures on board every flight I very one mission, we would have one hundred pounders, another ish so we'd have two thousand pounders. We'd hold four vols with a whole

fifty one hours founders. The sequence normally was that our group would be made up of different bombs, and the lead the lead squadrants going in would drop dead nators, big bombs that blow things up. Even some of them were delayed explosions for even after some hours are to go into their areas, stay there and then blow up later, but they were devised to make gruble to

uh tear things up. Then the second group behind them, maybe another quadrant two would be dropping and sindiory bombs which were generally smaller bombs, and the actually explodier one ground went in as smaller as sinderies, set everything old farm. And then the last group to be easily hundred pounders that would have shrapparral be anti personnel bombs keep the firefighters who put the wire out. There was another challenge that you faced just on board, and that was the severe cold.

What were those temperatures like and how did you deal with that? Well? They were I was seriously called that time of the year above Germany, around twenty to twenty four thousand feet to be forty degrees or fifty degrees below zebra. Usually. Of course, we were sitting there at seat for six eight hours at a time, so we had we had an electric suit to slip into, even had electric gloves, but they didn't work very well against

that heat. We wore or we could. We had silk gloves and wool gloves and leather gloves and panted shoes underneath our fl this but nothing was quite out. It was there was always post by. I'm not LEAs now don't work wall because they suffer from neurosity which has caused from way a boat. Then, sir, how many missions had you flown before the day you were shot down? Jim? I was on my level, all right. So let's go to that day September twenty seventh, nineteen forty four. Again it's

known as the Castle mission raid. What was the mission that day? And tell me how it unfolded. We were vombiting Castle and the targets were varied from different bomb groups, but there were a lot of probably triple art that

I was going into that area. We were leading wing our group was that day, and so we were first into the IP and headed towards castle for some reason, and it's been a big fight for many many years for the lead crew made the navigation era or where they may just made a JUDGM mineral decision area, but one way or another, our league group went eighteen euries to the left before we got to the target and took us off completely off

the bomber stream. The second group behind us corrected the problem, stayed on the route, and we wound up about fifteen minutes out of fighter covering. So there's only a level bit a time till the loopwoff identified us and came at us for about one hundred and fifty fighter planes. They made four passes and shut down twenty five hours of thirty of us in we and the fighter planes that she came back to the area shut down nineteen with the fighters.

We were gone. Yeah, so where was your plane hit? How did you know? It was in dire condition? The first task, we were hit with cannons twenty dollari cannons from way behind out of our range of our picture calibers. They just kind of set back behind us, and the first pass they love those cities. Those cannons did to us and blew things up.

Quite a few planes got drunk, heads explored, went down. Our formation got broken up, just completely, just centegrade and we wound up after the first year where there was some generators on fire that filled their plane with smoke, but it wasn't fatal and we got it out cleared to smoke and the second could pass. They center Bombay's all bar hundred detail Bombays which is where the gas tanks for Lokate Ronald cow Pom. We didn't mow up.

We fought it for a couple more passes, but eventually we blew up. Meanwhile, before we did, we all jumped out. Was that your call to abandon the plane? Yeah? Yeah, I try to looked that way that I ranging the bell A navigator and bombs Air were up at the front. They came to hundred eighth fright deck. Pont lailed after Bombay. My radio man flew up on the flight deck. He bailed Bombay. My co pid left. My engineer was in the turk top turret and he followed them.

My tail gunner got had a cannon exploded his turret and was blinded. One iron shot up pretty badly. The way waistcutters hooked him up, put his shoe on him and dumped him out because so he'd lived, and he did. He lived me ninety years old. Then the waistcutters followed him out to the hats. I obviously got out to the bombay with fire, fire going around here, and then were to hit the ground. Tell me what it was like jumping out of that burning plane. It wasn't a problem in

all with hard liquor at you it was. It wasn't a through pest at all. It just had to happen. We were fired about twenty twenty one thousand I jumped. We were down to about twelve thousand times. I jumped. I didn't help my sheet because there was so much wreckage in the air that it was dangerous. I let it. I free fell for about till I was about two thousand feet high, and then opened and floated on down to the ground and got captured. Do you remember thinking anything in particular on

the way down. John was glad to shee open. They always told us that, yeah, if you're free falling and the ground starts looking like it's getting larger. It's time to open your sheet, so I'll follow the ice. It seemed like it's okay. And what happened when you hit the ground A bunch of potato farmers, old guys for harvesting, and right below all

the fewer going on above them. So they had their fish forks out of Edinburgh Bridge ready to take the young American fires capture, probably still bragging about it. Were Are there crewmates near you where you landed? No? I seen there was a guy for another ship of what was brought in the global

village where I was. We were spread out quite a bit because from the time the first guy jumped till I jump, we were a little town there did their house and was the name of three of my guys landed closer there. All got caught pretty close to each other, put in cars and taken to a compermine nearby and just tortured and beat up and then shot. They were all murdered that day. The guys were trying to Durenberg and three umber

run for there were murders. What a difference depending on where you landed. Yeah, I have absolutely just I could have been killing. The crowd was some of them. You know, they had a national policy to kill flyers where they propaly God to call us terror figures, baby killers whatever. So a lot of scot killed by people on the ground because their families had been bombed and they're ready to fight. I had four of my guys got killed.

Two got injured severely jumping out of the plane and suffered but real seriousness all their life. Three of us didn't get hurt. Everywheund up in prison caps. Our young girl was about seventeen who watched me land that actually be captured in that old town, and she went and got a school teacher, a lady was older, spoking nice as she talked to me, and she as she calmed the crowds down, kept me from gettle. Inch, I'm

sure. And I actually met her a few years, about ten or fifteen years ago, back over there and went around the area where I went down, and she was so alive. She a lady, but the teacher or the young girl, the young girl, it was as a meet her.

Yet, So what happened once the German military took you into custody, Well, the first night I've wound up in jail, the second in Frankfort, and the second night, along with probably a dozen other guys, I've been given up and was in a jail cell and at an Air Force based at Ashwet. From then on we're pretty pretty safe because we were with the loop Flop and their handling out people was a lot towards those Geneva condition where the

asss were pretty brutal folks that they got here. Did they interrogate you right away? What did they do first? Yeah, there's there's I was sent I guess the second night I was a catch. I was sent to operas a little little interrogation sent around eight Frankfort, and I was set put in uh solitary UH for two three days and taken in and and interrogated by your guys who were going to shoot me and all that stuff, not to scare your kid. And then then there was one guy in charge of the center

that were pretty famous. Interrogated a lot of higher officers and I had a session with him. But then I didn't know like a lot. I was like I was a bomber bottle. But anyway, they finished us, put us on train and sent to Northern upon the ball succeed stallar both one two three day train ride from Frankfort up there. What were the conditions like in Starlight left one? They were sparse, but they were livable. When I first got there, we got Red Cross parcels of food, which kept it

from starving. We got those for two or three months after I got there, and then I guess all the whole systems in Germany started breaking down, and we didn't get much of bigges thing to eat, very smallowed out, got hungry and cold, and but we survived. What specifically did you eat and how much did you get to eat? When we first got there? The parcels had other things like tin of fish, oleod biscuits or hard crunchy cookies of some sort, how little same and maybe all sorts of stuff like

that. But it was a few cans, and it was enough to sustain you for a week, not to sate your affetite, but to sell you. And we had that. While we had that, it was we were fine. When we ran out of that for breakfast, we using it a couple of papers and slices of black bread and a couple of Urson's coffee for breakfast. I was about it then once our room had twenty guys and we

had a pot in there that would boil full of water. Put a couple of handfuls of dried turnips in there and each have a little soup without each seasonings, salted greaser, and then supper we used had three or four very small potatoes and a couple more pieces of the black. That was about it. So we loved. Wait, what were the sleeping conditions like they were? Okay, it was cold, no hesion there, but they were. It was out of the way. It was in barracks. We were in

barracks that had twenty guys for a room. They left us in at night at the endoor the train on one end for night years and the daytime there was a central tree outside that we use. We made okay, we were kids, Yeah, said were you allowed to bathe? Once every week we got to go to the h We had a game shower with bea gets in a big room and we walk on there. They turn the water on for a minute we could soap up, and then after another minute and the turning

back home, we could wars the soap Paul Man. We got there every week. Get did they force you to work now officers couldn't work. I was on a said Judeva convintion where we would have been better all because manually ever been better to be doing something then sitting there going crazy. That's James Bainum, a US Army Air Corps veteran of World War Two. He flew B twenty four bombers in the European Theater, was shot down and became a

prisoner of war. In a moment, the conclusion of mister Baynum's story, including his liberation by the Russians and an incredible adventure to get back across Europe and get home. I'm Greg Corumbus, and this is Veterans Chronicles. This says Veterans Chronicles. I'm Greg Corumbus. Our guest in this edition is James Bainum, a veteran of the US Army Air Corps who served as a B

twenty four bomber pilot and spent seven months as a prisoner of war. In a moment, you'll hear how Baynum's prison Camemp was liberated, and all about his adventure getting back home. But first Batam continues his description of the Pow camp and reveals that the prisoners were actually very well informed on the progress of the war. Yeah, we probably were really well versed. Someone had the

Swedish Red Cross had sent in a photograph. I guess it was as some of the wizards of our group had taken apart and found some crystals in it and actually made radios on them, and we had a radio on our barracks he had hidden somewhere and CEO of the barracks. At night after we were locked in, they would hook up the crystal radio BBC on it, and then of course during the day's the Germans shamus there news. We probably had a good idea of what was going on, as anybody with both those sources

tell me how you were liberated. Ran the end of April, we had we had a Colonel Fighter Powell who was a senior America so there Ziff Key was his name. He was our in charge guy in our in our military changing command. So the Germans dealt with him for things they needed to do. So they called him in and said they were moving us together us out. The Russians were on their way ant Our territory, so they were going to move us force march us out to keep us from Big Three to the

Russians and ziff Key rocutes for us to leave. He said they could leave they wanted to, but we were staying put. So and it works. And Germans actually the let very last year or sold may they vacated the camp, actually open the gates and marched. That has left us there, but Stiffkey in charge of us. The next day the Russian troops came through our

chair journey. Their decision was to put some trains bocked card take us to the Bictible of Believe overn Over on the eastern shore of Russian and post on bost and take us back to America. But Jiffy refused to do that. There were seven thousand opposite the camp, so we had little laders. We were being a big chore. He said, we're not moving, and they actually faced them down. So the Russians took on off and went. They kept going west and meet up with the English and the Americans. Oh,

we stayed there for a couple of weeks. The plans started, having made for the eighth there for us to come in and fly us out. Took a couple of weeks to get together. So after a week another kid died from Brooklyn. We didn't have the idea of just sitting there. We weren't sure what the Russians you're going to do and all these accused, so we

were just kids trying to do something. So he had our left camp one morning early after a week there and walked about ten miles right across some Russians who had taken all the Germans bicycles away from talking out of a couple of those. We rode, rode the Westway about fifty mile Vsar to English lines

and came back home that way. Good old American ingenuity. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, we're just done as we should have been killed probably, but if we weren't, being able to get that far, even on a bike is impressive. Given what you had just been through as a prisoner of war, what kind of condition were you in? How much weight had you lost? For example, I'm a skinny kid. I'm normally worried about an urn seventy five, and I was found about fifty but I was in medal shape.

We were still pid. I was twenty twenty one years old. Our trimp was the district. Of course. We rode to vs Far. The English took us in and posted on GI truck took us south a few miles to American lines. They posted on another truck rolled about half of they got the central Germany to Hildershein Air Force Base, which was a big base, and the Americas were flying at plane full of French, mainly French sleevely we're

flying them back to France already. So Pat and I went out to the airport, talked to some Polos and they let us sit on their flight back and we flew from Hildershin to Nancy, got over. I don't know how we did it, but we got on a buckard rode night tripped down to near Switzerman to an American hospital. They told us we be patient, they'd send us back to the Channel so we can go home, and that wasn't

what we were doing. So we got back to the station, jumped on the hospital train going north and the next day we were at camp like a strick up near the MP. After about ten days we got a boat and came out, Tom Bulson. So basically you bargained your way across Europe. Yeah, yeah, we just we like to say we had a adventure. Every where we went. The trained this was court martial, but would pretty

much do with appeal devils. They were going court martial. Z. I love that story, mister Bannon. Most of us will not know, thankfully, what it's like to lose our freedom, but you do, and you also know what it's like to get that freedom back. So tell us what it's like when you lose it and how it feels to get it back. It's pretty decimal vegue in prison, but it didn't kill you. Yeah. We had twenty of us in our room and we got along. I had

a sort of a little group there that ran our lives. We had rules about various things where we have one guy that we liked that we acted so we had to try out kick him al's room, made him go somewhere else and camp and find a place to sleep. We ran things that this we could. Every year. We got books, had some books paper banks from Red Cross, so we read. We kept along. We talked about girls at first, so we ran out of two. We talked about food.

Water went down for three days one time we talked about water. So whatever it was important in our lives is what we do. All telling you when you think back to your time and service, sir, what are you most proud of I just get through it. Yeah, I'm a pretty proud kid. All of us were our ten guys that were, you know, nineteen to twenty something years old, and they were just coming kids from all over

the country doing a job that they you had to be done. There, weren't they saying dramatic about it. May you brag about it, but oh all for your lives and some of them, several of them, David, pretty impressive stuff when you think about it for a younger where we were extremely impressive. And we're extremely grateful. Mister Bannam, thank you so much for being with us today, and most of all, of course, thank you for your tremendous service to our country. Yeah, your war com thank you,

Thank you. James Bannam is a US Army Air Corps veteran of World War Two. He piloted B twenty four bombers. He also spent some seven months as a German prisoner of war. I'm Greg Corumbus and this is Veterans Chronicles. Hi, this is Greg Corumbus, and thanks for listening to Veterans Chronicles, a presentation of the American Veterans Center. For more information, please visit American Veteranscenter dot org. You can also follow the American Veterans Center on

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