Election interference. Donald Trump found guilty on all thirty four counts. Welcome, it is verdict with Senater Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you. Senator. You are in the car right now. I am in the studio. It's about ten to thirty Central time, eleven thirty Eastern. Give me your quick thoughts on what America just witnessed.
Well, it's an absolute travesty. What unfold is in light As you noted, I am in a pickup truck driving south of the forty five Free Way. I spent all day in Dallas, Texas, and drive it home to Houston. Right now it is ten twenty seven pm. Now i'll get home past two in the morning. But we're doing this podcast on the phone. Let me apologize. Our audio is not going to be the same quality we normally
do when we're using the audio equipment. But we wanted to get this out fast to address the issues tonight. Everyone on planet Earth knows what happened tonight. The New York try convicted Donald Trump of thirty four counts felony that if the sentences were consecutive, could put it in jail for more than a hundred years. That's not going to happen. It was an absolute miscarriage of justice. This was not law, This was not criminal justice. This was politics.
This was a political hit job. This was a spare. This was the worst instance of election interference our country's ever seen. What we're gonna do tonight is we're going to break down what it means. We're going to talk about what happens next. We're going to talk about the next steps, how it impacts the elections, how it impacts Donald Trump, how it impacts the American people. All of that we're going to impact in this special issue.
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was found guilty on all counts. Some don't even know what they were even charging him with including I think Donald Trump because the rules changed at the last minute. We talked about that in the last podcast. But let's look at the immediate future. There's a sentencing that is coming the same week as a Republican national convention. There is a legitimate chance that a Donald Trump could be in jail or b could be under house arrest, and that means he wouldn't be able to go to his
own convention. How is that not alone election in it?
Well man, that's not gonna happen. But it is the illustrative of just how ridiculous what's transpired is we saw Trump convicted on all thirty four counts. I have to bet emotions. I am, on one level furious. This is an outreach. It is It is a disgusting assault on democracy, on the rule of FAW. But I'm also heartbroken. I'm heartbroke. I believe in the I believe that our justice system, our justice system is supposed to provide equal justice under law.
And you know, yesterday and we talked about on Wednesday's podcast, we talked about the different possible outcomes. We talked about the arracle that could happen, which would be an acquittal which I would have loved to have seen, and we talked about the possibility of a hung jury. One juror out of twelve people, one Dura will not be part of this sparse I will not be part of this this charade. I'm done, no, no, no. The justice system is not meant to attack your political opponent, and I
won't play a part. Sadly, that didn't happen. Twelve New Yorkers decided they were Democrat partisans. Now I will say a significant part of that was, no doubt, driven by the absurd jury instructions given by the judge. This judge has made the New York justice system into a global laughing stocker. Across the planet. People know that the justice system in New York doesn't follow the rule of law. It doesn't care about each under law. Instead, it is
a tool to attack your political enemy. That makes me sad that that's not the way our justice system is supposed to work. As you asked, what's next, Well, Trump has been released on his own recongnissance. The next step is sentencing. Sentencing is going to happen four days before the Republican National Convention. In the interim, there are a series of steps, including Trump has to go to a pre sentenced evaluation. He may have to submit to a
psychiatrist or a psychologist. They compare a report all of the steps that are standard after someone is convicted, that a report gets presented to the judge to help the judge make a decision about sentencing. We will find out about sentencing literally the week of the Republican National Convention. I don't think it is by accident. This entire trial is designed to an interfere with the election. I'm going
to make a prediction right now. The chances that this conviction is overturned on appeal, I believe are one hundred point zero percent. It will be overturned on appeal. I think the judge does that. I think the judge in this trial then over backwards, did everything possible, gave jury instructions that just defied the US Supreme Court President. Did not require the jury to be unanimous on all the
elements of the crial. Let the jury mix and match and pick different potential other crimes to elevate this from a misdemeanor to a felony. All of that is reversible error. The judge knows that but I don't think he cares. I don't think the prosecutor cares, because the objective here is not to get a conviction that sticks, is not put Donald Trump in jail. The objective is to spare him. Within minutes of the verdict coming down, the Biden Whitehouse put out a statement referring to him as a quote
convicted felon. That was the entire point of all of this. We will hear the words convicted felon referring to Donald Trump from Democrats and from the corporate media one between now and election day. Every other sentence they say will say bell and Bellen, Bell and Bell Bella. That was the point. And they know it'll be reversed on appeal, but that will happen after election day. And this is all their effort to try to stop the American people from reelection Trump.
All right, let me play Devil's Advocate with you. If we're underestimating the Democrats again, I still go back to the real question. This judge has gone rogue. He went rogue on sentencing. He went rogue from the beginning. He's a donor to Biden. If he knows, Senator, and we use what you just said that he knows it's going to be overturned. Why the hell wouldn't he throw Donald Trump in jail or under house arrest where he can't travel.
Look, and I fully believe this judge's partisan enough he would love to throw Donald Trump in a deep pit, to throw him in a pit of despair, to use a princess bride analogy, He would do everything in anything he could. But I also I don't have any indication that this judge is stupid. I think he's a partisan. I think he hates Trump, and I think he's willing to abuse his power. But a sling, he's not stupid.
I don't know that if he orders Donald Trump sent to jail, that will be subject to an immediate appeal, and I think the immediate appeal would be successful. I don't know if it would be the state courts of New York or if it would be the federal courts, but I don't think the courts are going to allow the presumptive Republican nominee, and I think likely the next president of the United States to be hauled away to Rikers Island. By the way, New York State is also
a state where you can assault the police officer. You can punch a little old lady in the face on the street, you can practically rape or murder someone, and these imbeciles won't send you to jail. But if your crime as being a Republican who's the leading anident for president, You're right, this partisan judge just might said go to jail, but I think he won't do it.
So you're saying that if Trump, and this is where I love your legal mind, you're saying that it's more valuable to not put him under house arrests, yes, or put him in jail, because then he's the convicted fell in through election day. Then it's overturned after election day and you interfere with the election results. And if you actually put him in jail or under house arrests, then it would escalate the timeline rapidly, so then he may actually be found innocent, not innocent.
But listen, I think the judge is not going to put Trump in jail because it would be bad politics. This is not law, this is not criminal justice, it's politics. It would be bad politics because it would force the appellate courts to act. And I think neither the partisan judge nor the partisan DA want the appellate courts to give a victory for Donald Trump before November. So they're not gonna do anything, I think to tee up a legal victory for Donald Trump before November. They want any
legal victory for Trump to be after November. And I will say, I will give her one caveat. I could see some scenario or the Trump issue issues some sort of house arrest order says you gotta stay at bar Lago, you gotta wear an ankle bracelet. I don't think the judge will do that, but it is conceivable. But you're allowed to go to the convention and give the convention speech. You're allowed to go to the debate and participate the debate. That that house arrest with enough exceptions that it is
not transparently election interference. It's just obvious to anyone with an IQ above twelve that it's election interference that is not outside the realm of possibility. I think that's probably doesn't happen either. But I do not think the judge would be foolish enough to order him set to jail, because I think it would force a rapid appellate reversal of that's terrible politics.
All right, So let me ask you this, and people are going to say this case was extraordinary. It involves the former president, units it's America running for office. Why can Donald Trump not get his appeal heard very quickly? Why is this going to drag on until after election day? Shouldn't this move its way through? And the appeal moved through very very quickly. And is there anything he can do to force the hand for this case to move out?
And whatever? This judge asides the sentence out very quickly and say, okay, no, this isn't right.
Yeah, look at the good question. I can tell you in any ordinary case, the answer would be done that. Typically if you're facing a criminal conviction, particularly if you don't have an order to go to jail, if you're allowed to be out and free pending the appeal. The way criminal convictions and appeals typically work, they can take years. I mean they can take their death penalty appeals that have taken decades. I think the wheels of justice move
slowly moving through the appellate process. So in any ordinary case, you would never get the appeal resolved between now and the end of the year. Just take longer than that. And and so that's and the way it would work normally, from a trial court conviction in the New York state courts, you would appeal it typically to the New York Intermediate appellate courts, and then you would appeal it to the New York Court of Appeals, which is the Supreme Court in New York. It's the it's the top court of
New York. So you would go through you'd have two levels of repellate courts in the state court system, and then after the top state court decided your appeal, you could then appeal to the US Supreme Court. From that that process could be in a normal criminal appeal easily take one, two even three years. I mean that process can be quite slow, depending on how long the judges take to issue attention. You could try to file an emergency appeal, but in an ordinary criminal case it would
never succeed. Now there is another evidence that the Trump lawyers I suspect their debating to Night, the Trump lawyers couldn't try to file an emergency appeal straight from the trial court to the US Supreme Court. Now that's not easy to do. Whine straordinarily uncommon.
This is extraordinaryly uncommon, but so is trying to imprison a presidential candidate, the leading candidate who's leading in all the polls, in a former president. Wouldn't that be enough for the Supreme Court to raise their eyebrows, going, yeah, we might want to get involve.
So it might, and the Supreme Court has has a variety of jurisdiction to grant a series of rints and the Supreme Court it wouldn't be a direct appeal, but you can craft an appeal that went straight from the state crowd court to the US Supreme Court. As I said, it is extraordinarily rare, but it is theoretically possible, and I'm sure the Trump legal team is debating that right now now. If they did the risk of that, in any ordinary circumstance, the Supreme Court would never ever ever
taken this. The Court's general approach to appeals is let the process play out, let the timeline play out. Maybe
another court could resolve this. So if this were not the leading candidate for president of the United States, the Supreme Court's approach would be even if this conviction is wrong, maybe the New York Intermediate Apellent Court versus it, Maybe the New York Toppeller Court reverses, and there are lots of ways this could get fixed without the Supreme Court getting involved in So that's the overwhelming approach of the Supreme Court in almost every case. Now this is not
almost every case. And so if I were part of Trump's legal team, I would give very serious thought to filing an extraordinary rit at the US Supreme Court. Now to grant that, you'd take four justices, and you'd have to have four justices that saw this as the outrage that it is. And I think that's probably right, and who were willing to put the Court in the middle of it? And I'll tell you, the US Supreme Court has a very, very strong and self protective instinct to
keep the court out of political conflicts. If you look back at twenty twenty, twenty twenty, when you had multiple election challenges lawsuits all over the country, I wish the US Supreme Court had gotten involved. Then I urged the Supreme Court to take the appeal from Pennsylvania. There was a Rentisterceerrari that was filed. Retisterurceerri made an appeal to the US Supreme Court that was filed from Pennsylvania. I
urged the Court to take that. In fact, if you remember, Donald Trump asked me if I would argue that appeal if the Supreme Court took the case from Pennsylvania, and I said yes, I would. The Court ultimately did not take the case, so I never argued it. I think the reason they didn't take the case is because of the self protective instinct of the Supreme Court that their sort of institutional approach is keep us out of a
political mess. Now, let me give a countervailing argument. So twenty four years ago, I was a baby lawyer and I was part of the legal team that's litigated Bush versus Gord, Bush versus Gore. You'll remember happened right after the two thousand election, and in the state of Florida, there was a series of litigation challenges. George W. Bush won Florida, but out Lord challenged the election. He filed multiple lawsuits. In today's world, I guess they'd call out
were an election denier. But he challenged the election, and I was part of the legal team that defended George W. Bush's victory in Florida. The votes were counted four separate times, and Bush won all four times. But the first time we went to the US Supreme Court, and there was a legal team that came together from Bush versus War that I still think is the finest legal team ever assembled. It was an amazing team, all of the best Supreme Court litigators of the planet. And I was twenty eight
twenty nine years old. I was a kid carrying their bags. But I got to be a very junior part of an extraordinary team. And what was interesting is is we were writing the petition for sarcer oring, asking the Supreme Court to take the case, and I was part of the team writing that brief. There was a real debate among the lawyers about whether the Supreme Court would take that case. In two thousand and the divide, interestingly enough, was between those of us who had clerked to the
Supreme Court and those of us who had not. Almost all of the lawyers who had not clerked at the Supreme Court believe the Court would not take the case. They'd want to stay out of the fight. They would not want to get in the middle of this political fight. And I and most of the other lawyers who had clerked at the Court believed the Court would take the case. I was adamant. I thought the Court would take the case, and I agreed that the Court would see risk, they'd
see political risk to itself as an institution. But I believe the Court would also feel a responsibility to step in and act. And I personally believe. I can't prove this, I have no inside information, but I personally believe that the Chief Justice, Chief Justice Rnquist, which is the justice for whom I clerked, and so I knew Chief Justice
Rnquist very very well. I think he, in particular felt a great responsibility that when the country was all waiting on the resolution of the presidential race, that the Court had an obligation to step in and engage. Well, I think there's a chance the Court will feel that same thing. I think there are certainly justices who watching this are outraged of the lawlessness of the abuse of power. I
don't know where the Chief Justice will fall. John Roberts was part of that legal team down in Bush versus War. I worked side by side with John Roberts in writing the petition for sirchu Or. He was part of the team that wrote that my recollection. Although I don't have a distinct recollection, but I assumed. I think he was among those of us who believe the Court would take the case now fast forwarding. He obviously has a very different role because he's the Chief Justice, and I think
he's very protective of the Court's legitimacy. Will say, the Democrats are mounting a frontal assaults on the Court to delegitimize the Court, so I think there will be justice as afraid of getting into this matter. All of which is to say, I don't know if the Court would grant an extraordinary wrist, but I'm confident the Trump legal team is debating that and debating that extensively right now.
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hours on social media. It's really been popping up, and there is a divide when it comes to this court case, and there's been a lot of anger by a lot of conservatives have said, see, I told you so. We should have gone after one of the liberals out there that was committing crimes and gone after them to say to the Democrats, if you do this to Donald Trump, we're going to come back and do it to you. And now there's people that say, well, there it is.
The cat's out of the bag. This is law fair and if we're not willing to do it back to them, they're going to keep doing it to us. Give me your reaction to people like that are extremely frustrated on that aspect of us that we're we're playing by the rules, they're not, and yet they're winning.
Look I get that sentiment, and it's frustrating because the other side, the other side is willing to destroy the rule of law. They're willing to destroy the judiciary, they're willing to destroy our country in pursuit of partisan powers, and and and it is it's why I'm so sad today. Uh you know, I was on Sean Hannity yesterday, I
was on Shannon John Hennity tonight. Yesterday, Sean and I got in a little bit of an argument because the jury was still pending, and I said, look, I'm holding out hope that maybe one juror will say no and there'll be a hung jury. And I'll tell you Sean laughed at me and he said, no, New York is too far gone. It's not gonna happen. Donald Trump cannot get a fair trial in New York. And I didn't want to believe it. I gotta say Sean was right.
This this justice system, the justice system, I don't know that it ever recovers from this. It will always be known as a Democrat, but that a Republican. If you're a Republican in New York. There are a lot of in New York who are calling their real estate agents who are looking to leave New York. If they say, okay, you cannot count on the rule of law in this state. I understand the sentiment. If they're going to burn it down, we ought to burn it down in the views our power.
I don't agree with that. I I at the end of the day, I believe in the Constitution, I believe in the rule of law. I don't want power of views by either side, now, but me that that you give the other side a pre past my view. I've said many times I don't want a Republican Department of Justice. I don't want a Democrat Department of Justice. I want a Department of Justice that follows the law and that
prosecutes the individuals who commit crimes, regardless of their party. So, for example, I hope if we in January we have a new president, if Donald Trump is reelected, which is what I hope will happen, and we have a new
Department of Justice. I hope right at the outset, they open investigations into the fundings of these anti American and anti Israel and anti Semitic protests on college campuses, and they trace down, follow the money, and they find out our terrorists finding financing this, our foreign countries financing this. I hope they use the full investigatory resources of the Department of Justice to get to the bottom of that. Now, note I'm not saying that because I have a target
I want to put in jail. I'm saying that because I see the evidence of a crime, and I want the Justice Department to investigate that crime and to prosecute whoever is guilty, and sadly, I don't believe the Justice Department is prosecuting that crime right now, because the flip side of what they're doing is they will abuse power to target their enemies, and they will also so abuse power by protecting their friends. And so I get the
vindictive instinct, but I think it's the wrong answer. I think we should demonstrate that the rule of law matters. And by the way, there is plenty of real criminality that prosecutors can pursue without engaging in the blatant abuse of power we've seen from Democrats in these cases against Donald Trump.
All right, let's talk about the politics of what we mentioned the very beginning. We know from the White House that the words that we're going to hear over and over again between now and November fifth are convicted felon, convicted, felon, convicted felon.
There is a convicted fella.
Yeah, right, exactly. So how powerful is that going to be politically? It is clearly engaged people today on Trump's side. I had two people walk up to me today this afternoon and they said, I've never given a political donation in my life, but damn it tonight when the website gets back up. It crashed multiple times because some of you were going to donate. They said, I'm going to write a big check. And one of them said to me, I'm you know how much I'm going to donate. Seventeen
seventy six. That's my number I'm donating. And this is someone that had never donated, he said, in his entire life to any political campaign, local, state, or national. And he said, this is our country under siege, and I'm going to get involved now. Now, I think there's a lot of patriots out there and new patriots who are going to probably make that decision. But there's also center the other side. Democrats are going to be inspired by this.
It's no longer looking at an incompetent Joe Biden. Their hatred for Donald Trump is now back front and center.
Yeah, look that this will inspire both sides. I don't believe this decision will change the outcome of the life in no effort. I think it's baked in the in the cake. I think rabbit partisan Democrats hate Trump so much they were going to vote against them in November. They're still going to vote against him, and and and and this that this is revenge born for them, that that that they're just living their fantasy. Uh. In terms
of Republicans, I think this energizes Republicans. You're right that the Trump website collapse win Read, which is the portal to contribute to Trump to Republican senators. That portal collapsed tonight. So I think a lot of people went and said, I want to contribute to the Republicans who are running this cycle precisely because of that. I think this will energize Republicans, and this may well energize people. Let's say you're not a Donald Trump. Then let's say you say
you don't particularly like it. Maybe you're strongly apart. If you care about the rule of law, you ought to be outreaking about this. If you care about actually a justice system that is not simply a tool to attack your enemies, you ought to be horrified by this. Because listen, you go down a Latin America, you'd have a banana Republics. My dad's from Cuba. Cuba understands what happened to night.
There are banana Republics throughout this country that understand what happened to night, which is one party gets in power, and they use the justice system to try to lock up their predecessors, to try to lock up their opponents. If you don't want that to happen to America, even if you might even despise Donald Trump, you should be
very upset about what happened tonight. The Democrats calculus at the beginning of this is that there would be two to three to five percent of voters who are not very engaged, who are not paying attention, a lot who will decide the last couple of weeks before election day. And if they hear the word fella fellon Felon repeated a gazillion times, we'll say, oh, I can't vote for a felon, and so we'll vote for by it. I'm really skeptical. I don't think it's played out that way.
I think most Americans, other than the rabid Democrat partisans, recognized this was a political persecution and and and so I don't see this changing votes. And I think even some Democrats and some in the media have backed away from their fervor from this because they see it backfired to some extent now not tonight. They're not backing away because they're too jubilant this is too much. This is cathartic, and this is ecstasy, and this is shoden Freud, all
unfolding at once. But at the end of the day, I don't see this changing the outcome on election Day.
You've been in a lot of debates, Senator, and you've been on the president of debate stage. You debated Donald Trump. But I and I've I've one of my things that I love is debate prep. And I was putting myself in the room tonight mentally. All right, if I'm in the room before the debate with Joe Biden, I know Joe Biden at some point is going to look over at Donald Trump and say, well, you're a convicted felon.
How does Trump respond to that? And that's I mean, that's a pretty hardcore line that they have been obsessed with and they've got it. Now, how do you overcome that when there's people watching that I'm sure are going to watch this thing and maybe just engage the very
first time. Weren't watching the trial. Don't understand how corrupt it was, don't understand how these charges shouldn't have ever been used, how they change things to get rid of the statue limitations, how the federal government didn't bring these charges eight years ago for a reason. I mean, all of that they've missed, and they look at the president sitting president, Look at Donald Drungle. You're a convicted felon. What do you do with that?
Well, Look, I think the Biden debate prep team, he's going to spend a lot of time trying to convince fides and try to help Biden not to seem like a smug s op. His instinct is going to be smug and sanctimonias and to rub Trump's face, Trump's face in it. I think that is a bad look for Biden. If he doesn't, my prediction is they'll fail by the way that Biden can't resist being smug and sanctimonious on this,
I think he probably just will. But if his debate prep team is any good, they will try to get him to resist that. On Trump's side on this whole topic and more broadly, on everything in the debate, I think they're going to try to stop Trump from just being volcanically anxious. Look, Trump typically engages in very little debate prep. He is not. You're right, I have debated Trump many, many, many times. He doesn't engage in extensive
debate prep to the Instead they have debate prap. I think the team around him, if they're any good, likely will try to get him to be calm and matter of fact and not angry and cambative. If you go back and look at the twenty twenty debates, the first debate, Trump was angry and combative. That many observers believe that that hurt Trump because he was too angry and combative in the debate. I think that will be an instinct here. And Trump has reason to be pissed. Look, he was
just railroad. He was railroaded by a kangaroo court. Any natural person and any person's natural reaction would be pissed. And Trump is not someone who generally hides his emotions. You know, I'm reminded of back back in two thousand. So we were talking about Bush versus Four earlier in
the Pods. After Bush one, after the Spring Court resolved the case, and after he came in, he appointed his Attorney General, John Ashcroft, And I was part of the team that promp John Ashcroft for his confirmation hearings, and so we voted John Ashcroft multiple times for his confirmation hearings the Attorney General and you know, I'm young at this point, thirty year old lawyer, and there were several
of us in the room. But we would try to get a noxious with Ashcroft and the preparation for confirmation. We try to piss him off, we try to insult it. And in the prop sessions he would blow his top. He'd yell at us and get mad. And we were asking if noxious questions and he would scream at us, and then we'd say, okay, senator can be a senator. At the time with his senator, I get what you're saying. You're right, that was a totally unfair question. It is
completely wrong. You are perfectly justified yelling with us. Here's the problem. They don't have the votes to beat you right now. The only way they'd beat your confirmation is if they provoked you to say something stupid at the hearing and what you say, thanks your nomination. And so we worked with him. We said, Okay, yell at us, get all of your anger out of us. But when
you get into hearing, don't yell at the senators. Give them nothing because they have nothing to defeat you, and they can only win as if you could give it to them. So you fast forward to the hearing, and you had Democrat senators that just made fool to themselves.
I remember Ted Kennedy at one point leaning forward, he was reading something Ashcroft has read about the Second Amendment, and he talked about the Second Amendment being as the Framers as James Pattison, another Framers wrote about it a check on tyranny. And Ted Kennedy and his Boston Brahmin boye goes tarranny in the United States. What you know what that is? That is treason, I tell you treason. And John Ashcroft, to his credit, he had Ted Kennedy
screaming at him and calling him a trainer. And John Ashcroft said, senator gets confirmed as Attorney General, I will follow the law. And I don't know that. His heartbeat got about sixty five and he got confirmed. You know, John Ashcroft, Well you and here are good friends.
Yeah, he's one of my mentors.
Yes, his confirmation hearing, he didn't take debate, I promise you. In the prep sessions he did it got it out of his system. I think the Trump debate prep sessions will be similar. They will try to get that out of his system. I don't know if it will succeed or not.
Final question for you on this, and it deals with the presidency and Joe Biden. I don't know how you can separate what this judge did from the corruption of the Biden White House. We know the attorneys that left the DOJD go work on this case. We know that Alvin Bragg ran on this. We know he raised money off of it. We know that this judge UH has as a as a daughter that's heavily involved in fundraising the Democratic Party.
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And this all was orchestrated from from the Biden administration down. Now they're trying to act like now they're sprit from it like this is we stood back. We were just watching the wills of justice and and and and and a man be found accountable by a jury of his peers. That is clearly going to be their line. But make no mistake, none of this would have happened without the direction UH of Biden. I said today, America has its
own Vladimir Putin. Now his name is is Biden. Joe Biden is America's Putin right now, going after his political opponent and trying to lock them up.
You know, in law, if you look at something like anti trust law, there's a concepts in law called conscious parallelism, which is people that all have similar incentives behaving similarly. But it's not a conspiracy. They just all are acting according to the same incentives. I don't know that Alvin Bragg is taking orders from the Biden White House. I agree that the Biden Joe Biden has been dictatorially, he's abused his power. But I think Alvin Bragg is a
petty dictator of his own. He's George sorows Da. He ran on getting Joe Biden. You know, when his was the first indictment, I think a lot of Democrats were kind of sheepish. They said, Okay, this one is really sketchy. They didn't want this to be the lead case. And look, ultimately, the bidend OJ they sent the number three lawyer at DOJ, who had been a Democrat donor before in a Democrat comsultant. They sent him to be part of the trial team. So the Biden d OJ got in bed with the
partisan prosecution. But but I'm not convinced that Alvin Bragg did so at the direction of the White House. I just think he hates Trump's guts, So does everyone in the Biden, the Oja Biden, the White House, so does Fanny Willits down in Georgia, so does just about every
wild eyed partisan Democrat. And so I wouldn't say it as as much a direction from the White House as that they're all suffering from the same Trump derangement syndrome where they're willing to burn it all down, to destroy the rule of law, to abuse the justice system because they hate Trump so much, and they've convinced themselves if he is re elected, if he's president, it's the end
of democracy. I mean, we played on Wednesday's pod Robert de Niro going on and on that'll be the last election ever if Trump is elected, which is just it's deranged, it's unhing. But I don't think de Niro is lying and that I think he believes every word he said. I suspect Alvin Bractas too, and I suspect the Biden, the White House that DFJ does as well.
Final question, you're a poll guy. I love polls. I want your prediction. The first major polls that come out after this verdict has obviously come down, will they show that Donald Trump starts to lose momentum. Do you think he'll go backwards in the polls nationally or in swing states? Do you think this could even backfire more because you did say, and I agreed with you, that if they indict make him more powerful, his poll numbers would go up.
That happen when the court case started. You said, it's going to make people solidify their support behind Donald Trump. But now that he has the he's a convicted felon around his neck, and that what happens in the polls.
So when the indictment first came down, the first indictment, I said on this podcast, this indictment will be worth ten points for Donald Trump in the polls. Now that's in the progress. A week later, Trump was up ten. That prediction proved exactly accurate. Now, to be fair, that's a primary poll. Primary polls are different than general election polls, and so it caused Republicans to rally around Trump, even some Republicans who were not supporting Trump at that time.
The general election, it's a little harder. I think most of the views on both sides are baked in. But if you forced me to make a prediction, my prediction right now is Trump. I think it is pildly beneficial for Trump and the polls. I don't think it is major league because I think most of the people on both sides are baked in and it almost doesn't matter at this point. They're not moving. But if you press me, I would say, I don't think it's going to cause
hilling the polls. And I would say I think it's likely to be a mild positive benefit for Trump and the polls, and he's already leading the polls right now.
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