Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you. Senator, nice to chat with you today, and let's start with the big headline that so many people, especially in the Catholic faith, are talking about, and that is the fact that it looks like the FBI was trying to infiltrate Catholic groups and using trying to use people in the church to basically become, you know, FBI informants.
There's also a lot of people that are asking the question, now, did the FBI lie to Congress about this, saying I don't know, we didn't do this, and now it's coming to light that, in fact, this was actually happening. Your initial reaction to that, well, I think these reports are very concerning. We have seen that the Biden Justice Department has a persistent animosity to religious faith and that they are willing to weaponize the Department of Justice in the
FI to target people of faith. We've seen that in a host of different context We've seen that, for example, in their unwillingness to prosecute the protesters who are committing federal crimes by protesting outside the homes of Supreme Court justices and because the Attorney General disagrees with the dab's decision, he refuses to prosecute even a single one of them.
At the same time, we've also seen the Attorney General in the Department of Justice and the FBI bring very limited prosecutorial resources to going after violent terrorists who are attacking, who are vandalizing, who are firebombing crisis pregnancy centers. Again, because they're politics, they don't prioritize those acts of violence.
And now the latest news we knew publicly because of a whistleblower who had leaked it that one of the field officers the Richmond Field Office of the FBI had written a document that was entitled interest of racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists in radical traditionalist Catholic ideology almost
certainly presents new mitigation opportunities. And so this this memo was called a domain perspective, was leaked by a whistleblower, and when Chris Ray, the head of the FBI, was asked before the Senate Judiciary Committee about it, he denounced the document and he said the document was appalling and
that it had been withdrawn. Well, what has now broken this week is that Jim Jordan and the House Committee on the Weaponization of Law Enforcement has a public that the FBI and in particular the Richmond Field Office was using undercover agents and in particular at least one undercover employee to try to penetrate local Catholic churches. And so, for example, this is a quote from the Opportunities that
part of the memo. It says, in addition to redaction, we don't know what's under the redaction, engage an outreach to the leadership of other Society of Saint Pious, the tenth Chapels in the FBI Richmond Area of responsibility to sensitize these congregations to the warning signs of radicalization and to enlist their assistance to serve as suspicious activity trip wires. And so this piece, Chris Ray had not indicated before
that the FBI was was placing undercover operatives. Well, I don't know whether they were trying to recruit undercover sources from within the Catholic Church or whether they were trying to place agents undercover. Either way, that that is a major escalation from what was known previously, and it's very concerning. It also has to concern you the fact that we're not getting straight answers yet again from the DOJ and the FBI. And this isn't the first time that's happening.
We've had reports even they have come out recently about the White House may have actually been involved or at least read in on the Donald Trump Marlago raid. We know that they lied about, you know, having parents be labeled as domestic terrorists is another example there that we're
going to school boards. I mean, there have been quite a few instances now where the documents call into question the FBI and the DOJ on their explanations when they come before you and your fellow members of Congress, where their stories don't add up. You can be old fashioned to say, it seems like they're lying to you guys
on a pretty regular basis. Well, unfortunately, neither the FBI nor the Department of Justice have shown really any willingness to be held accountable by Congress or the American people. In with both the Attorney General and the head of the FBI, they are highly resistant to answering questions. They typically will stonewall, they'll refuse to answer any specifics. By the way that they've done this persistently concerning January six.
When I've questioned the Department of Justice, when I've questioned the FBI about undercover agents that were involved in January six, they refuse to answer. When I've questioned them about ray Epps, they refuse to answer. They simply stonewall. When I asked the FBI if undercover agents were involved in inciting acts of violence, they refuse to answer. And I think that
is highly concerning. That there's an attitude within the FBI and the Department of Justice that they get to decide the rules, they get to decide what's acceptable, and that no one, no one can hold them to account. And I think it's producing an enormous lack of trust in
law enforcement. It's it's the reason I wrote the book a few months ago, Justice Corrupted, How the Left is weaponize the legal system, because in that book, I outlined how under Joe Biden, the Department of Justice and the FBI have deliberately been turned into weapons to target the political opponents of this administration. And with regard to the to the targeting of the Catholic Church. Look, these documents indicate that they see as a quote warning sign people
who attend Latin masses. Now, now that that is Latin masses are something attended by millions of people across the world and simply being following traditional Catholic beliefs. The idea that that is indicative of being a criminal, or being
violent or being a terrorist, it is absurd. But but it also it demonstrates a deep animosity and distrust to people of faith and and and and this is it's a pattern that that that's sadly, the FBI director seems to have little or no interest in in drilling down and holding the people accountable who are demonstrating this animosity. Center. On Tuesday, I was hosting out Numbered on Fox. I was in New York and we were sitting there talking about this exact now, Ben, Ben, is that is that
known as a humble bragg? That's a humble bragg right
there right? You know the other day when I was piling around with my buddies, you know, Jay Z and Beyonce, and then you know, Frank Sinatra wandered in and and uh, I'm sorry, go ahead, Ben, I didn't interrupt now, but we were sitting there on set and they were talking about this, and I said the question that I now want Congress to ask forget the Catholic part just for a moment, because I think now the question has to be, Okay, if you're now an extremist in the eyes of the
FBI and the Biden administration, because you go to a very traditional Catholic Mass, then who else is on this list? And how many other religions are they trying to infiltrate right now? Are they going after Baptists, Are they going after Methodists? Are they going after Presbyterians? My question now is, well, if they're doing this with Catholics and and and those that are traditional their words traditional Catholics right now, but
now you're an extremist traditionalist Catholic, all right? You used to just be a traditionalist Catholic. Now you're an extremist. If they're doing this and labeling this on Catholics, I just want to know who else is on this list and who else are they sitting these guidance out on their religions or conservative groups. If you're on the Tea Party, if you used to be a member of the Tea Party, if you've gone to Republican convention, if you've gone to a Ted Cruise event, a rally, are you now on
a list as well. Well. We know that they define extremist by politics, and their definition of extremist is anyone who disagrees with their politics. With regard to Tea Party groups, we know that the Obama IRS explicitly targeted Tea Party groups and went after them. We know that they tea Party, that they targeted groups that defended the Constitution because they viewed the Constitution and Bill of Rights as as a threat,
and that all of that is detailed. There's an entire chapter in Justice Corrupted called the Irs Comes Knocking that walks through chapter and verse. And it's worth remembering. When that story broke that the Obama IRS was targeting Tea Party groups and conservative groups, Barack Obama publicly gave a press conference where he said that he was angry, and he said the American people have a right to be angry.
So he recognized, at least he pretended to recognize that it was appalling, that it was wrong, that it was an abusive power. And then what happened was the Obama Department of Justice stonewalled over and over and over again. Lois Lerner pleaded the fifth refused, it refused to testify and the Department of Justice refused to prosecutor, so that they stonewalled across the board. If you look at this this recent FBI memo, they explicitly focus on politics. So
for example, this is a quote from the memo. The ongoing convergence of the far right white nationalist movement and RTCs RTCs of their fancy acronym for quote radical Traditionalist Catholics was further demonstrated through the increase in hostility toward abortion rights advocates on social media in the run up and the aftermath of the Supreme Court's Dobbs League. In other words, if you're pro life, that is an indication
that you are a dangerous radical. And the document at for appendices, one of which was a list from the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is widely denounced for smearing conservative groups as hate groups and for being a hard left political advocacy organization. And now you have the FBI relying on that to target people they politically disagree with. That is highly, highly concerning. Well, let's talk about another aspect of this, and I want to go back to
the FBI. I remember, you're a boot guy. You love cowboy boots. I love cowboy boots. By the way, I got a new pair. I'll show you on set this week. I'm upping my game. You're going to be jealous, but you've got some pretty nice boots. And you used one of those to make a point of the absurdity of FBI guidelines on quote symbols that they also put a list together that indicate extremist groups. I guess now, maybe you know if you have a Catholic symbol that's going
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use a promo code Verdict center. When this happened with a Catholic church, it was immediately reminded me of that moment where you were questioning Ray before the Senate and you used your actual boot, put it on the table because of a symbol that is on your boot. And this is what it sounded like, and this is a text that I was particularly struck. Is the Gonzales battle flag? Come and take it as indicative of being a violent
extremist militia. Well, I will self report right now that every day in the Senate I wear my boots that have the Gonzales battle flag on the back of them. Director Ray, what are y'all doing? This makes no sense. Do you agree with this FBI guidance that the Betsy Ross flag and the Gadson flag and the Gonzales battle flag are signs of militia violent extremism. Well, Cent, I'm not familiar with the particular document you have behind you, and I'm not in the practice of trying to comment
on documents that I haven't recognized. But I will tell you that when we put out intelligence products, including ones that reference symbols, which we do across a wide variety of contexts, we usually make great pains, take great pains to put caveats and warnings in the document to make clear that a symbol alone is not considered evidence of our extremism. I mean, Center. Some of these symbols are on license plates and states, for goodness sakes, including the
Great State of Texas and look that that exchange. There I had behind me a poster board showing this document from the FBI that was in identifying these symbols as signs of extremism. And there are things like literally the Betsy Ross flag, the Gonzales battle flag. It's it's worth for those who are not familiar with Texas history, the
history of the Gonzales Battle flag. That there is a town in South Texas to the town of Gonzales, and in the eighteen hundreds, Texas was part of Mexico and the dictator of Mexico was General Santa Anna, and General Santa Anna issued an order to the Texians who lived in Gonzales, and at the time Texans were called Texians, and the order was for the Texians to hand over their guns and also to hand over the cannon that guarded the city. And in response, what the Texians did
is is they erected a battle flag. And the battle flag simply has a picture of the cannon with a star and underneath it the legend come and take it. And that battle flag became the beginning of the Texas War for Independence, where Texas Sam Houston was Texas's George Washington, he led the army of the Texians. Santa Anna came
and attacked Gonzales, attacked Goliad, attacked the Alibo. And just like the Continental Army under George Washington, who lost nearly every battle of the American Revolution to the Red Coats, to the British, the Texans likewise lost nearly every battle to the Mexican army, which was much bigger, much better armed, right up until the Battle of San Jacino, where we won a decisive victory and won our independence and Texas became an independent nation, the Republic of Texas for nine years.
Texas was its own nation from eighteen thirty six to eighteen forty five until in eighteen forty five Texas joined the United States and became a state in the Union. That's the history of of the Gonzales Battle flag, and the reason I wear it on my boots is I admire that rugged independence, that spirit of freedom. It's been really an unofficial flag of when I first ran for the Senate, that that standing up for freedom is a
fundamentally a quintessentially American value. And for the FBI to identify that and say, well, that shows that you're an extremist. What that really shows is an antipathy to anything other than far left democrats and and and all. The Gadson flag also flag from the American Revolution. It's if you're a patriot, if you believe in America, that makes you suspicious. And you know, I'll say this, So you heard Chris Ray's response where he said, well, gosh, I don't know
what that memo is. Well, you know what Chris Ray hasn't done, to the best of my knowledge, gone and figured out who wrote that memo, Gone and figured out why they were targeting symbols of American patriotism and freedom. Gone and figured out who has that partisan animosity and bias. And likewise, with the demonstrated antipathy to traditional Catholics, as
best as I can tell, nobody's been held accountable. Now, it is possible that that that the antipathy to Catholics was was particularly concentrated in the Richmond Field office that's where this memo originated, and the FBI did retract the memo targeting Catholics the peace though That's new that just came out is that, in addition to the memo that the FBI had relied on at least one undercover agent to spy on the Catholic Church and at least one
other at least where George is concerning to everybody listening, it is so. So here's how Jim Jordan put it. Based on the limited information produced by the FBI to the committee, we now know that the FBI relied on at least one undercover agent to produce use its analysis, and that the FBI proposed that its agents engage in outreach to Catholic parishes to develop sources among the clergy and church leadership to inform on Americans practicing their faith.
So they're trying to enlist priests, they're trying to enlist church leadership to be FBI informants to spam their own congregations. And that you know, we've talked before about Chris Ray. I do not believe Chris Ray is as a hardcore leftist. He was appointed to that position by Donald Trump. The problem with Chris Ray as directors so he's not nearly as bad as James Comey was. James Comey abuse the power of the FBI and effectively waged war on President
Trump from within the administration. Chris Ray has not been nearly as abusive as Comy, But I think Chris Ray is fundamentally a company man. I think he views his job as defend everyone at the FBI, even if they are hardcore partisans who burrowed into senior career positions and are corrupting the machinery of justice with a partisan lens
or a lens of antipathy to people of faith. And what Director Ray is not doing is digging down and saying, Okay, I may not have known about this memo when it issued, but I know about it now and I want to see who wrote it. I want to see what we've done. I want to go in and stop it. And we don't see any of that. And that's if he's not doing that. He's not doing his job, and he's allowing
the FBI to continue to be abused politically. Oh L ask question for you, if you're the person that wrote this memo at the FBI, should you lose your job over this? Look? Probably we need to see. We don't seem to have any accountability anymore. It's like everybody in government can do whatever the hell they want and then when they get busted. And I think this is where Americans are getting really frustrated. Center is that they see this happen. We keep seeing these stories and no one
loses their job. Lois Learner another example that you mentioned earlier. I mean over and over when they admit something happens and they're like, Okay, this memo went out and it shouldn't have. No one seems together get fired. Well Lois Lerner was allowed to retire and she kept her pension. Yeah, look at the Biden administration. Can you name one person
who's lost his job. That's my point. Look, the last podcast we did, we did a deep dive on Afghanistan where at the time of our disastrous surrender to the Taliban and the catastrophe that unfolded, everyone recognized that it was a catastrophe. Now you have the Biden White House trying to whitewash the whole thing and pretend it was all terrific and we should be proud of the great surrender Joe Biden did. There not a single person, as far as I know, has lost his or her job
because of that screw up. And so this is a consistent pattern, which is the people who are weaponizing the machinery of justice, not only are not held accountable. They don't have any fear of being held accountable because the White House is certainly not willing to actually demonstrate that
the buck stops here or anywhere else. I want to get to another big issue, and that is I was really excited Center because I thought that you were going to get us to hook up with Spurs tickets at some point when we were doing this podcast, that we definitely get to go to see the Spurs play, and we're gonna get great seats for that. Apparently that's not going to happen now because Coach Craig had some words for you. I'm going to play that for you to moment and sag it your fault that we got all
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years for free. Eight seven seven the number four gold I r ah there. If you don't know about the spurs coach. He made me hate the Spurs after I used to love them because he's become such a hardcore woke activists and he now is taking aim at you. Senator, I got to play this for people. Take a listen. Are you in this room? When we were in school, we worried if Nancy you would dance with us on Friday after the football game or something. That was anxiety.
But they're going to cloak all this stuff. You know, the second of the myth of the Second Amendment, the freedom, you know, it's just it's a myth. It's a joke. It's just a game they play. I mean that's freedom. Is it freedom for kids to go to school and try to socialize and try to learn and be scared to death that they might die that day? With Ted Cruzel fiction because he's going to double the number of cops into schools. That's what he wants to do. Well,
that'll create a great environment. Is that freedom? Or is it freedom to have a congressman who can make a postcard with all his family holding rifles including ay or fifteen or whatever. Is that cool? All right? Centator? He says the Second Amendment is a myth and this is a guy that has the Alamo Is in the town where he lives, and for the team that he represents, you'd think he can learn a little bit of history
before he starts saying stuff like this. Well, look, we've seen for a long time that there are a lot of institutions in sports that don't really like their fans very much, don't really like their customers, don't respect their customers, that look down on them. Popovich is someone who has been a partisan for a long time. He's a liberal Democrat.
He is someone who listened to Spurs are a terrific team. Uh. In twenty fourteen, I had the great joy of taking my dad on Father's Day to see the Spurs win the NBA Finals, and I happily cheered them on. They've had some terrific players on the teams over the years. I am first and foremost say a Rockets fan. But but but I happily cheer on every Texas team. But you know, I do wish you know the end. You
see this in the NBA. You see at the NFL these incredibly rich athletes who hypocritically dis dane their fans and customers and who lecture them almost inevitably from a point of ignorance. So Greg Popovitch is telling you that that that it's a myth that the Second Amendment protects your rights. It's a myth that the Second Amendment protects your freedoms. I mean, I mean, that's a fairly astonishing proposition. And I would note, Uh, you've been to NBA games.
I've been to NBA games. You know what, there are a lot of at NBA games, a lot of security, armed police officers with weapons strapped in their holsters. Uh. You know, Popovich is surrounded by armed security most of the time. And and this is true, This is true with so many Hollywood liberals that have armed bodyguards protecting them. And they say, you little people, you don't have a right to defend your family. You don't have a right
to defend your children. But me, I'm gonna be surrounded in perfect safety and take away your rights to defend yourself. I mean that Unfortunately, that that kind of condescension is all too common. But beyond that, he also, uh, you know, went after me by name. Now listen, this is not new. Uh. You know, this is the same guy who supported Beto O'Rourke when he ran against me. And you know when when Beto O'Rourke said, damn right, we're going to take
your guns. You know, I guess Popovich was cheering because you know, he has his police officers to protect him, so what does he care about if you can defend your family. But but I thought it was really striking what what he went after me at in this this little rant. He went after me for proposing that we double the number of police officers in schools. He says, do you want that? Let me be clear, yes, I
want that. Look, I don't get this, this recent conceit of leftists that police officers don't may us more safe. But like it is a bizarre view. Listen, it is horrific the rise in violent crime that we've seen across this country. But leftists like Popovich put none of the blame on George Soros DA's that are releasing murderers. They put none of the blame on the leftist that they
support who are calling for abolishing the police. Instead, they put the blame on you for exercising your right to keep in bare arms to protect your family and your children. And and it is Look, if you look at the number one factor that stops a violent crime. It is an armed police officer who stops that crime. And look, I gotta say, it's a very strange thing for the left that they just they have decided cops are bad.
Let me tell you this right now. I guarantee you if someone stood up and said we're gonna pull all the police officers from Greg Popovich's neighborhood, he'd be horrified. I'll tell you, I'd be horrified someone announced they were pulling the police officers from my neighborhood. I'd be like, that's a terrible idea. I want officers to keep my family safe. I want officers to keep his family safe.
But there's a political talking point now that if you want to keep our kids safe, clearly police officers are not going to do anything to help. That's just weird and it's stupid and it's counterfactual. Yeah, I gotta tell you. I texted why you were talking there to a buddy of mine that played in the NBA, actually played for Papovich, and I asked him, I said, I got to ask
you quickly. I said, I won't use your name. What was a security like when you were at the Spurs specifically around you and the team, and he wrote back, I'm reading this exactly like this is. I just got this in real time. He said. One, all, at all times on the road, we had a security detail with us. When we were at practice, there were security details with us. As soon as you got to the facility, there was
security detailed there. There was heavy security at every away and or home game, security in the tunnel, security outside the locker room, and security to our cars that included the coaching staff after games. And of course there is look, I just criticized that. My point is your hypocrisy that you're mentioning. Yep, this is a coach that has and again it's a former player saying this. He had security around him all the time when he traveled, all the
time when he's on the bench. He also just said there were three police officers around their bench at all times, at least three. He's still texting me as we speak. He said. On the road, they had a head of security that was with them at all times. We planned all of their security with the hotels, me and two and from the arenas on the road. He said, In essence, we had twenty four hour security around us for all
operations around the team that included the coach. So he's got basically twenty four hour security for him, but he mocks your idea of having that for our children. Yeah. Yeah, for some reason, the protection that that is suitable to ultra wealthy left wing athletes is not suitable for our children. They deserve less protection beyond that. So so I'll say two two stories. One, you know, I just went a week ago to a Rockets game, um where where the
Rockets were playing. And actually my daughter Katherine, who's twelve h was was one of the dancers at halftime. She's in a girl's dance troupe and they had a bunch of a bunch of kids dancing at halftime. She did awesome. It was I I was chaired her on and had a blast and she really that they did a fantastic job at halftime. But at the game, which was just in the last week, you know, there were I must have talked with myself thirty police officers maybe more. And
and that's great. You want police officers at something like a like a game because you don't want anyone to commit an act of violence. That keeps us safe. That's a good thing. I'll also tell you a few months ago, I was visiting a friend of mine on the East Coast and he's someone who who every week trains doing jiu jitsu, and somehow he talked me into joining him doing jiu jitsu, which which is not something I do as a kid, I took judo for several years. But
I'm trying not to laugh right now. Center. You know this is how you get real injuries. Well I know, and like I'm sitting there going, Okay, I'm gonna get at tendon hyper extended, I'm gonna get something. But he brought me in to train with where he trains regularly, and I said it was actually it was really really fun. But the guy who who was who was doing the training was a police officer who traveled with an NBA
team doing security for them. And say was, you know, a very high level black belt in Brazilian jiu jitsu and a police officer and he helped leave the security for an NBA team. That's a good thing, But explain to me why what's good for the rich guys is not good for everybody else. Maybe you should have just described as I want the same security for our kids that coach Popovitz kids, and then it would then he
wouldn't have said anything. Maybe that's how we should move forward, saying I just want the same protection that the NBA gives to their players and at the arenas for our children. You know, Unfortunately part of it is the social pressure. You notice that there are not NBA coaches. Look Steve Kerr as another one who is a very loud and outspoken leftist, and he usually pops off, you know, pops off with with inane leftist, hyperpartisan statements, and they are
rarely carefully reasoned. Um. You know, I remember some years back Steve Nash, who was a great player but when he was a coach, had a quote. And I'm doing this for a memory, so I may get it slightly wrong, but my recollection is his quote was something to the effect of all wars are immoral. There have never been any good wars. And I remember thinking at the time he said it that that was a very odd statement. I look, I am, I don't like war. I think
we should avoid war. But but I really wish some reporter had asked him, excuse me, coach, could you name five wars? I mean, I mean, you've just given us a statement about history. In the history of just name five wars. Now, what's interesting is very quickly like if he had to name five wars, I don't know if he could, but let's assume hypothetically he could. Maybe he goes to the Civil War, maybe he goes to the American Revolutionary War, maybe he goes to World War One
or World War Two. I'll bet you twenty bucks if you ask him to name five wars. He can't do it without naming World War Two. Yeah, and he can. And he can't do it without naming the Civil War. And I would challenge any leftist give me your argument for why World War Two was an immoral war. Why stopping Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, why stopping the Holocaust, why stopping the face of evil was an immoral war?
Because I'll tell you, when our boys scaled the cliffs of Normandy, I think it was one of the greatest acts of heroism the world is ever seen. In the Civil War, I'd be very interested to hear a leftists explain why it was immoral to fight a war that resulted in ending the abomination of slavery in the United States, and the problem is all of the political dynamics in modern sports. Tell players, tell coaches, you can get involved
in politics if it goes to the radical left. If you're Colin Kaepernick and you're taking a knee during the flag and disrespecting our soldiers and sailors and veterans, that's fine. If you're disrespecting our police officers, that's great. But you certainly can't say anything pro America, pro police, pro anything
that is other than left of center. Yeah, and it's really sad, but this is the NBA now, and this is what's happening with all these teams are trying to go woke in it's it's amazing they continue to say things like this, I got it. And by the way, you look at edis Cantor Freedom Cantor who spoke out against genocide and over a million weekers imprisoned in China in concentration camps. And his reward for doing that as he was fired and he's unemployable in the NBA. His
numbers were strong. He was putting up double digit scoring average, double digit rebounding average, his numbers, he was producing at an NBA level, but they decided, if he stays on our Team China won't allow us to broadcast our games in China, so we care more about the money, So that politics was not acceptable. But you could put Black Lives Matter on the on the NBA court and never mind that it's a Marxist group that is rapidly anti American.
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go really woke center. They decided to put a chick dress or a dude dressed like a chick on a beer can and give them a deal to go woke. This is part of their new marketing campaign. Are you gonna throw away your bud light and go to white call? Now? What happens? Well, look, it is an amazing phenomenon. How woke corporations have decided that their customers are idiots that
they look down on their customers. We're seeing big business after big business in brace the radical left, embrace a left wing and Jenda in this case and Drey embrace someone who's transgender. Put them forth as this is the spokesperson for bud Light. What when I saw this whole thing, my first thought was, have they ever met a typical bud Light drinker? But yeah, there's any dumb move and I'm just talking about just straight up dumb beer drinker,
especially dudes at drink Beer. They do not want a can with a dude dress like a chick. That's just nothing. That's something you want. And listen, if it were you know, you know, dark cherry flavored hard cider, maybe maybe that's a marketing play that makes sense. But this is bud Light, and you know the idea that it's like they're not interested in what the customers want. They want to be
praised on Twitter or they want their ad executives. Boy, look, part of the problem is Madison Avenue is hardcore left wing. You look and you look at this across the board over and over and over again. Um. By the way, we saw this with the NFL. The NFL likewise looks down on the typical fan who goes to an NFL game. Um, and I got to say, it's it's it's making people
pissed off. What's interesting is the backlash In a lot of instances, it seems that the right is not very good at Boycott's and so companies feel they can do this with impunity. Um, this spud light issue is getting some some real traction, it seems to me. And and the phrase go woco broke listen, I think this is this has gone beyond just Twitter to two people saying, you know what, there are other beers on the market.
And I got to tell you in my instance, so a company that pushed me over the edge was Nike, and Nike I didn't. I didn't like the Colin Kaepernick thing at all. It really pissed me off. But even then it didn't it didn't push me away from Nike. It wasn't until that they began actually to go back to the FBI story we started the podcast with the
FBI identified the Betsy Ross flag as a symbol of extremism. Well, you remember Nike decided to pull the Betsy Ross flag off one of their sneakers because people like Colin Kaepernick wine happy with it. And that was the point where I said, all right, enough is enough, and I got to tell you that, look, they don't care if I buy their products. But I was not only a Nike consumer.
I was an incredibly loyal Nike consumer. Like every pair of tennis shoes I had owned from being a kid till my mid forties was a Nike that that's just what I bought. I bought Nikes. Every pair of athletic shorts and T shirts that I wore to play basketball or sports or do whatever. Almost everything single thing I owned were Nikes. And I just finally said, enough is enough. I'm not going to support a company that has decided it's business model is mock an attack America. The problem
is that, you know it's not. Nike stock has continued to do fine. They're continuing to make profits. Part of it is they also do this. One of the reasons they virtue signal is to cover up from their otherwise questionable practices. So Nike figures if they're showing how leftists and woke they are, maybe you won't ask about the child labor that's assembling their tennis shoes. But what's interesting about this bud issue is is it at least appears
right now? You know, you probably saw the video online of Kid Rock shooting up several cases of bud Light and expressing his uh, his, his sentiments. I would say, clearly and unambiguously. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Um. It seems to be getting some real traction. And and I hope this serves as as as a warning to other companies just stay out of politics. Just just sell your damn beer, Like, like you don't have to have of you on on transsexuals one way or the other,
Like why does a beer company get to engage in that. Look, if you're a makeup company, I can understand a makeup company saying we're going to decide to advertise to people who are transsexual. That that could be a marketing decision that is not nuts. But for bud Light, it is hard to imagine the ad exactly said this, Yeah, this
is really tap it into our demographic. Yeah. This is one of those moments where for me, when I as soon as I saw the can and saw the promotion during March Madness, I was I was like, yeah, I'm done, Like I have no doubt I will never drink a bud light again in my life. If you bring me one, I will refuse it. That's how That's how offended I
was by it, and I was like, now, SCREWT. And then you watch where they Nike doubles down and brings the same dude dress like a chicken to sell Nike Sports braws, and I'm like, yeah, the hell with you guys too. It'll be interesting, like you said, how this plays out, don't forget down with the podcast on Monday, Wednesday, and Fridays. We do this show three days a week. We do one podcast a week that's on videos, so you can watch it on YouTube and also on Facebook.
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