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It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you as always and center. Every once in a while, you and I get to do a show that I say is one of those where I ask people to share it and especially if you have girls, if you have kids that are athletes, if you wanted to defend women and women's rights in sports, this is one of those episodes that will be around forever, and it's a
really important conversation. We've been planning on doing this for a while and now we've actually gotten to have the conversation that's so important, and that is with Riley Gaines, someone that you've had testify, that you brought to Congress, that had powerful testimony.
Well, that's exactly right. We have a special guest on this podcast. It's Riley Gaines. Riley Gaines was an amazingly talented athlete who found herself for senior year competing against a biological male, Leah Thomas, and what happened to her. It wasn't fair, it wasn't right. And then she's shown just remarkable courage speaking out against it and shining a light at what's happening. And she's she's paid a price
for that. You and I have both gotten to know Riley and her courage is a lot of people admire it, and so on this podcast today, we're just going to let Riley tell her story because I think her story is going to inspire you. But it also speaks powerfully for fairness and against the madness of the current ideological left.
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Now, I'm glad to welcome to the podcast someone who's become a friend and someone who I really admire, Riley Gaines. Riley Gaines was an All American swimmer at the University of Kentucky, and she competed in the twenty twenty two NCAA Division One Women's Swimming and Dining Championships, where she competed against University of Pennsylvania's Leah Thomas, a biological man who much of the politically correct world refused to insist, refused to admit that that that that that he was
physically male. And I'll tell you, Riley, I think has shown incredible courage speaking up not just for herself, but but I think for every young girl, every young woman, everyone that wants to see women's sports and girls sports continue and continue to be a fair and real competitive landscape. And so so Riley, thank you for joining Verdict. We're really glad to have you.
Well, thank you, thank you both. It's a joy as always to be on with you, to be chatting with you, so I very much appreciate you. Guys.
Well, it's uh, thank you for your courage. All right, I'll tell you what. Let's let's just start by telling your story. Tell us, tell us where you grew up, how you got into swimming, and how you know you didn't seek this out, this this this kind of landed.
On top of you.
To put it lightly, Yeah, I grew up in Nashville, Tennessee. Uh, many generations back we are. I'm a native, which is as you guys know in Texas. There are very few of us Nashvillians who are who are born and raised, but I am one of them. Come from a family of athletes. My dad is an SEC Hall of Famer. He played football. My mom he played softball. My oldest sister went to Ole Miss and she played softball. And my brother who's in college, he played football. My youngest sister,
she is fifteen. She is an elite level gymnast and never tell her this, but she's probably the best athlete out of all of us. My dad went on to play in the League for a while. All my uncles won super Bowls all the things, so it's like family of sports. I am.
By the way, can we just pause for that one moment? Did you hear that?
I heard the old miss and I heard your legs start start trippling with excitement?
I mean, you know, there's just greatness here.
But ole miss, another Ole Miss and athletes it that I'm just going to bask in this moment of excitement and I apologize, but that's a big moment here, So keep going because hatty Toddy, and.
I got to say, by the way, Riley, so you came from Tennessee but then went to University of Kentucky. That's that's quite the movie.
I know. I know you know, Ben, I've got to ask he are you familiar with the Chucky Mullens tory?
Oh my gosh, yes, so Chucky Mullens, I mean, obviously a legend. But I remember when he got hurt and George Bush forty one actually visited him in the hospital at the med in Memphis because when they when they brought him to Memphis after he was the spinal cord injury, and George Bush forty one came and visited him.
It was it was a story I'll never forget.
And and if you don't know football, for people that are listening, there is still a bust of CHUCKI Mullens and every player touches basically his head as they're running the bus of him as they're running on the field for every home game.
So my father was the player that Chucky tackled that game for games. And so no run very very deep with ole Miss and and all the things. So it's always good to be talking with ole Miss fans. Even after Hey, Kentucky, that win this past weekend.
Come on, I was waiting for you to throw that in there. I was. I was like, how long is.
It going to be until the decor of just disappears from this disappearance you guys, you guys look good. I'm not gonna lie. You almost had Georgia, and I was worried. And I actually got a text from a I will say unnamed SEC football coach who I'm I'm good friends with, and he was he said literally before the game in a text, He's like, dude, I'm not joking. You guys better watch out there better than everyone thinks this year, And that proved to be true.
Well that's good to hear, but yeah, you know, I do it was it was. I didn't know I was going to go to Kentucky. I thought, truthfully, my entire life, I thought I was going to be a Florida Gator. Ever since middle school. That's what I thought was in store for me. I remember taking my official visit there. Truth be told, I could have gone anywhere in the country that I wanted to go, and so, you know,
I'm weighing the pros and the cons. And I remember being on my visit and one of the coaches, who was, you know, walking us around all day and assisting the recruits. I asked him, I said, how do you know if you're at the right place? And he said, well, we're gonna take you to a football game. You're gonna go on the field. You're gonna hear the fight song, and if you get the chills when the fight song plays, you'll know you're at the right place. And so we're
on the field. You know, it's a big it's a big stadium, and the fight song starts playing, and I kid you not, I just remember thinking everyone starts doing that weird chomp thing. I'm like, this is the weirdest thing ever, and orange is objectively ugly. I don't want to be wearing orange. No thanks, kept taking my trips, went to Kentucky, and I just I fell in love
with the university. Had a pretty illustrious career there. Twelve time All American, five time SEC champion, actually the SEC record holder in the two hundred butterfly, making me one of the fast Americans of all time, two time Olympic Trial qualifier, SEC Scholar Athlete of the Year, SEC Community Service Leader of the Year. But again, just really to reiterate, it's a lifelong.
Journey, all right, Rather go back because I was looking at your bio and it actually said twelve x all American, and I was like, twelve x, how can that be possible? So I didn't mention the twelve x, like twelve times that's pretty far out there.
Yeah, no, it's it's I look back now, and it is wild to think again, all that goes into it. We train six hours every single day. You're swimming fifteen thousand yards, which is about ten miles every single day. Three of those hours are before eight am. It's brutal, and so I look back and I'm really proud. I'm proud of my all the things that I was able to achieve, not just in the pool, but also academically and within my service. And really, really it's wild to
look back on. But yeah, twelve twelve times. It was definitely even dealing with COVID during all of this, we were rap siven in a championships in that way. It's crazy to look back on, that's for sure, all right, So.
Tell us how guys in women's sports intruded on your experience.
So my senior year, I was had a goal of winning a national title, which would of course mean becoming the fastest woman in the country. I'm right on pace to achieve this until the instabl a allows a man,
a mediocre man at that. Actually that's probably generous, a less than average man competing in his rightful category, the men's category, where he swam for three years on University of Pennsylvania's men's team, ranking you know, in the four hundreds and five hundreds nationally, so then switching to the women's team in his final year to where he would dominate.
He went on to win a national title in the five hundred free style and the event that he and I raced in the two hundred three we actually tied in, which is is is really rare? Right, It's it's virtually impossible when you're racing for a minute and forty ish seconds to go the exact same time down to the hundredth of a second. It's also mildly embarrassing for six foot four man, he couldn't even beat me.
Yet?
How tall?
You're not that tall?
No, I'm like a whopping five five five six maybe. So he's took a foot on you, that's right, that's right.
So that's a lot of arms with a lot of legs.
Oh, you're telling me his feet on the block. You know, you're standing on the starting block and you look at the visual of him next to seven women, and his feet take up the whole entire block. Obviously, he's tall, and his arms are lanky. He stills his Adam's apple. Forget the bulge that that is very glaringly obvious in his women's swimsuit, lady like it would is. It's not the word I would use to describe mister Thomas. But really what thrusted me over the edge into no longer
being willing to lie? I mean to wait for someone else. That's what I was doing. I was waiting for someone else to say something. Was After we tied, we go behind the awards podium where the INSTABLA official looked at both uh Thomas and myself and said, great job you two, but you tied, and we only have one trophy, and we're going to give that trophy to Leah because we've been advised as an organization that when photos are being
taken it's crucial that the trophy is in Leah's hands. Wow, Ultimately, to you, our entire life down to a photo op.
So was it even a conversation or was it more like we're dictating to you because I've dealt with the NCAA when when I was playing, and I've I've said this about the NCAA for a long time. They treat us as athletes like we are their slaves and we have basically, once you're in their system, you have no rights. They don't care about you. It's all about making money. It's a mafia, is my opinion on the NCAA. I think it's been a terrible organization for far too long
and taking advantage of far too many athletes. You're the biggest example of that in my opinion. But like, was there even a conversation like with your coach or your AD or anyone that was representing you.
There was no conversation at any point the whole season. Forget the trophy and said there was no Actually it was the exact opposite of a conversation. We had to do all of the training and learn how to be kind and inclusive and about pronouns. As a twenty one year old senior in college, they made me go to sensitivity training and literally word for word, the verbiage that they used was I had to keep going through this training until they felt like I had been re educated enough.
I will say I had great support from my coaches. There's no doubt about that. My coaches, I mean my coach was my best friends for four years really, and he was very supportive. My head coach, my athletic director, Mitch Barnhardt at the University of Kentucky. He's been the AD for twenty plus years. He is an incredible I mean an incredible human. He's a wonderful Christian. He leads by example. I had tremendous support from him as well. I still I mean we talked today. I still stay
in touch with him. But the academic institutional side of things, that's where a lot of this forceful I mean, the trainings and all the stuff, it came from the academia side of the university.
Man, And what are the record books show? Do they list you as the national champion or what do they say?
They just show as Hi, That's what it shows. My university went on to nominate me for NCAA Woman of the Year, which is the most prestigious honor for collegiate female athletes, to which I was super excited about this. It's a very humbling award. The was in civil Women of the Year was not exclusive to just women because Thomas was also nominated. So blessed and bla yeah to your point, Bend. They have remained and continue to remain the weak, need spineless, morally bankrupt cowards.
That they are.
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There's two parts of this story, and I think part of it is the NCAAA, but the other part of it is the threat to female athletes. And your sport is not one where there's like interaction directly with one person, like there isn't posting up in basketball or football, or or field hockey or volleyball for example.
Yours is you know you're in your lane.
But there is still a very weal threat to women you specifically when you have to share a locker room with a grown man. And I'm assuming the NCAA did not protect you from that scenario at all.
Again, they did the exact opposite of protect us. They told us that we weren't even allowed to oppose this. Actually, they we weren't even forewarned that we would be sharing
the locker room. But then, of course, once we understood the reality of the situation, only after being exposed and exploited, simultaneously exploited to a six foot four naked man inches fully intact, by the way, and had no problem exposing himself inches away from where we were simultaneously fully undressed in approaching, you know, an official on the pull deck. I will never forget I went up to him and
I said, hey, what in the world. I understand the guidelines that allowed a man into the pool with us, Sure, those guidelines are posted whatever, But in the what guidelines
allowed a man into our locker room? And so nonchalantly this official responded back with, oh, well, we actually got around this by making the locker rooms unisex, meaning first, I remember, the first thought that came through my head actually was okay, you realize by admitting you had to change the rules, you're admitting that Thomas isn't a woman, right,
you realize that. But secondly, unisex, so any man, any coach, any official, any parent, any pervert who wanted to, quite frankly, could come down there and share this changing space with us, with us in bare minimum. We weren't even forewarned about this.
Can any of the women get a choice, get an option to opt out, to say, look, I really don't want to undress with a naked man.
No, there was no place on the pool deck that we could have gone that Thomas did not have access to. And I really cannot put into words the feelings of I mean, of course it's awkward, it's embarrassing, it's uncomfortable, it's humiliating, but really it's feelings of utter violation and
feelings of betrayal. And I mean it's traumatizing, really, and not even necessarily traumatizing because of what we were forced to see or how we were forcibly and non consensually exploited, which used to correctly be called sexual abuse or sexual harassment. It was traumatizing for me again to know just how easy it was for them to throw our rights to privacy as women entirely out of the window.
I think people need to understand too, Riley. And if you'll explain it, because I've seen the locker rooms the NCAA, especially when you're at events, so if you're playing in a championship for you know, your conference.
A lot of these venues.
The locker rooms, when we say there's zero privacy, there is not a stall to go into to change. There is not a set of lockers, even like you might see at a country club, for example, or a sports club that you can go in another aisle for some privacy. Many times of showers there are not even shower curtains. It's communal showers. When I say there is no privacy in locker rooms, there is not. I'm assuming that's the scenario you guys are in.
Yeah, and it's important to set that scene. Especially a swimming locker room not a place of modesty. These suits that you're putting on, I mean you're raising suits, you know, their papers in their skin tied. It takes about at least really twenty minutes to poke and prod yourself into these suits. And that's that's twenty minutes of which you're fully exposed. And Yeah, the locker room, it's a it's a giant square. Like there's no there's no rooms, there
were high there's no nothing. It's a giant square. It's a very intimate space. And that's just growing up a swimmer. Of course, locker rooms in general aren't comfortable, but growing up a swimmer, you almost become comfortable being vulnerable in that environment. But let me tell you that vulnerability was stripped from us when I had my back turned and I heard a man's voice in that changing space.
Now, now let me ask you, what did the other women think? Because you really, you've demonstrated a courage and you've paid a price. People have demonized you. You've been attacked and vilified. I'm willing to guess the other women weren't thrilled about it either, but they just weren't weren't able or willing to speak out the same way you have.
Let me tell you of my team at Kentucky, a forty girls, thirty eight of us feel the exact same way. That's not because there's thirty eight staunch conservatives swimming at the University of Kentucky. It's because there were thirty eight girls who understood we worked our entire lives to get there, all to have the rug really ripped out from under us. And that's the general consensus of how we all felt.
I won't claim to speak for every single person, though, but I do claim to speak for the overwhelming majority of us because Ted, look, I can attest to the tears. I can attest to the tears not just from the moms in the stands who were watching as their daughters were being obliterated in the sports that they once loved, but the tears from the girls who placed ninth or seventeenth and missed out on being named in All American by one place. And I can attest to the extreme
discomfort in the locker room. And I can attest to the whispers because that's what they were. They were whispers of anger and frustration, again from girls who, just like me, worked from the age of four to be able to compete on that athletic stage. So understand, people aren't staying quiet because they agree with this. They're saying quiet because they're terrified.
But what are the consequences to speaking out?
I can tell you what I faced. I was told I would lose all my friends. I was told I would never get a job. No employer would ever hire me because they would look me up and they would see that I'm a transphobe. My school told me, you know, Riley, you want to go to dental school. No dental school will ever accept you or even look at your application
if you speak up about this. They said, you know, you signed a scholarship, and remember when you sign that scholarship, you gave away your rights to speak in your own personal capacity. Remember who you represent. Remember whose name is across your chest and across your cap, because it's not yours, it's ours. And Riley understand, we have already taken your
stance for you. My university went as far as to tell us that if we did speak out in any harm whatsoever, we're to go towards Thomas's way, whether it was in the form of physical harm, emotional harm, self inflicted for that matter. They said, then understand that could result in a potential death, and that would make you a murderer. And you don't want that, dude, You don't want to be a murderer. No, So I suggest you'll be kind, and I suggest you'd be inclusive, because otherwise
you'll have blood on your hands. But it's effective. I mean that type of emotional blackmail that works when you're talking to eighteen nineteen twenty year old girls telling them they're going to be murderers. I don't blame others for kind of just shutting up and putting up.
So let's talk talk fairness for a second. One of the things you said at the outset, as you said when Leah Thomas was competing as a man, that he was a mediocre in fact, that he was in the bottom half of men competing in college swimming. That he was in I think you said the top four to five hundred, So it wasn't close. It wasn't like he was near the top of man and then just ended up the same place in women. It was a pretty massive differential, is that right.
Yeah, this was not a lateral movement at all. He never even got remotely close to qualifying for NCAA's in the men's division, to again a measly twelve months later winning a national championship. And I forgot to mention this Will Thomas figure is actually from Texas. He grew up in Westlake, Texas or and swam here, went to school here before going on to UPenn, So there's a unique connection of course to the state here as well. But yeah, no, not a loteral movement at all, which is the case
we've seen across the board. The story is the same every single time. A mediocre man turns into a record smashing woman.
Of course in air quotes, so Riley help people who are listening understand who haven't been competitive swimmers. So you know, maybe you go swimming in your backyard, you play around with other kids, but you haven't competed at the elite level swimming. What are the advantages that the physical advantages that a biological man has over a biological woman in competitive swimming.
Well, of course, a whole list of them. Let's start with with things that I guess testosterone would impact testosterone levels, things like your of course, your your muscular structure, right, but also things like your lung size, your heart size, you're the size and lengths of your limbs. I mentioned his foot size, all things that are paramount in the sport of swimming, which, let me just ad, this is a sport we are working again all year in hopes to shave a few one hundreds of a second off
of your time. There's not a lot of margin of error here, or you know, we're hoping to shave tenths of a second. So to compete against someone who has advantages that far outweigh anything you could ever do. There's no amount of training there's no amount of sleep or diet or anything that you could do. And let's say, for example, one hundred yard freestyle to shave at that level a full second or two seconds off your time, you're fighting to shave hundreds of a second off your time.
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out of an incredible prestigious award. When you talk about shaving time and then this advantage that he has over you, what was the difference between first place in tenth place when it talks about when you're talking about shaving seconds or tens of second and it's off, Like, I don't think people understand just how close it is at the elite level.
Yeah, again, tens of seconds, that's how much you're even in the fifty freestyle for example, it's first place to sixteenth place, which is what qualifies of being an All American top sixteen in the country. It's tens of a second.
Now we're seeing this not just in swimming. We're seeing this in sport after sport after sport. Right now, it's become an issue with San Jose State Volleyball, where there's a biological man who's playing on the women's volleyball team, and there have now been multiple women's teams that have refused to play. Give us your reaction to that, having competed in a different sport but at the same elite level.
Well, first, this is the first time we have seen something like this, a movement in motion where teams are standing in unity together saying we won't allow this to happen. Enough is enough. You're not going to continue to discriminate against us on the basis of our sex, which is of course everything that Title nine was passed originally to prevent from happening. As you described San Jose State University, they allowed a man onto their team to take a scholarship.
He's taken a roster spot. He has taken when they travel, you know that travel spot that rightfully belongs to a girl, to a woman. But in talking with and working with these presidents of these other Mountain West Conference schools like, for example, Southern Utah, Boise State, followed by University of Wyoming and most recently just last night, Utah State, these four schools have said, hey, we're not going to compete
against this team. The universities, of course haven't specifically cited a reason, but I can tell you in talking to these teams, these girls are fearful of their safety. They understand and look, we know we're going to take a loss. That's what it means when you forfeit a match, but this is a worthy cause. We don't want to be on the receiving end. I've seen this boy give career ending concussions to girls, and so they cite safety concerns
these women for not feeling comfortable to play. And I'll tell you there's more schools in the pipeline coming up who will soon also cancel their games against San Jose State University.
Well, and the risks of physical safety, particularly in sports that have more and more direct contact, whether you're dealing with volleyball and someone spiking the ball into your face or a sport like basketball, or we saw at the Olympics so called women's boxing with biolet logical males competing. Give us your thoughts on the risks of really serious injury that can happen when you have biological males engaged in direct physical violence in a sport against women.
Well, I'm not even going to give you my thoughts. I'll tell you exactly what is happening. I'm going to give you factual information here. Let's look, for example at Peyton McNabb, a high school senior she was at the time in North Carolina, a similar situation. Actually, it's the sport of ball, of volleyball. A man on the opposing team, he jumps up, he spikes, the ball, hits her in the face. She's knocked unconscious, where she lays for many
minutes before you know, finally coming back around. Still to this day, that was two years ago. That was September of twenty twenty two, so over two years ago. Still to this day, she's partially paralyzed on her right side. Her vision is impaired, her memory is impaired. She has to have special accommodations for testing at school because she can't retain information like she once could. She was supposed to play softball in college, but because of this brain injury,
she will not go on to do that. She just had part of her pituitary gland removed out of her brain because of how traumatic the head injury was. Let's look for or look at for example, what we saw at a high school in Massachusetts where a male was allowed to play field hockey with the girls against the girls, and this boy he slaps a shot at the women. One of the women on the field. It hits her in the face, in the mouth, and it knocks all her teeth out. Even she had to undergo reconstruction, facial
reconstruction surgery to reconstruct her jaw. This male player, he's given career and in concussions to girls. Like I said, most recently, we saw him hit a woman in the face from University of Delaware to where she doesn't even have time to defend herself. Okay, like there was no reaction time for her that would have been able to prevent this hit from hitting her in the head. The list goes on. We saw recently even what the Olympics
has done. The IOC allowed two men, two plural males, to compete in women's boxing, which naturally these both of these and went on to win gold medals in their respective weight divisions. And one of the female boxers who fought against this boxer, one of the male boxers, said she had never been punched that forcefully, that hard in her entire life. She said, this was nothing a punch that a woman could throw.
How is this remotely fair? In what universe? Is this even arguably fair?
Well, it's absolutely not. And I'll tell you the people who are lobbying for this, who are voting in favor of this, who are advocating for this, they don't even believe it. Even recently, Senator Cruz, when I testified actually before your committee, I had some of your colleagues from across the aisle come up to me before the hearing and say, hey, look, you know, I played football at Stanford. I totally get where you're coming from. I totally agree.
And then gets on the other side of the table and what.
Does he do.
He starts grilling me and sympathizes with those on the other side, not the women. So they don't believe this. There are again just cowards, and they know that. That's why one you have been incredible on many issues outside of the gender ideology movement, but your opponent here in your state. I was so enthused to see this ad come out recently. It was so powerful, it was so effective. If the people listening haven't seen it, go watch it.
I've reposted on my page. It's this perfect depiction and that very even if you just watched the last ten seconds, you see a man in a jersey with al right on the back of it and he tramples a young girl. And that is the message, perfectly depicted. That is the message that we are receiving and that people are voting for. That's what you're getting if you vote for someone who advance is these progressive and harmful policies.
Let me ask you. You've gone to a number of campuses and you've spoken out, and I admire your courage because you've had some really unpleasant receptions and threats of violence against you. Describe a little bit what you've experienced as a consequence of speaking out against this.
Well, I was just actually explaining to Ben I'm actually a University of Texas and Austin's campus today, and I'll tell you there was some minor heckling, but for the most part, was very well received because these students are desperate to hear the truth, to be honest with you, they've been denied it from their universities, from these you know, institutional academic institutions. They've been denied the truth through censorship and other things. And so I had a great reception tonight.
But you're right, I have been in scenarios where I have not been over well received. One, for example, is San Francisco State University where I mean I was accosted, I was ambush, I was attacked by these these protesters, hundreds of them. They rush into the room, they turn
off the lights. They I mean, I'm being punched in the face by these men wearing dresses, which again they ultimately held me for ransom for about five hours, demanding that if I wanted to make it home to see my family safely again, I had to pay them money. All the while the police are being held for ransom with me. Because remember this is San Francisco, and the police don't know I shouldn't say they don't know how to do their job. They just don't do their job, and in this city, well.
Prevented from doing it by the political leadership who doesn't let them protect protect the rights of innocence because ideology, Trump's actually defending people's rights and people's safety. And we see whether it's in San Francisco or Minneapolis, or New York or or Los Angeles, we see that left wing democrats prevent law enforcement from protecting innocence in many cases
from violence. That the ideology on the left is if the violence is carried out by someone whose politics they align with, then they're happy to look the other way and to effectively handcuff police officers from protecting the innocent from violence.
And that's exactly what these officers said. You know, I asked them, can't you do something, to which they said, no, we can't. We're not allowed to do anything because we're not allowed to be seen as anything other than an
ally to that community or else will lose their jobs. Again, the same community who's on the other side of the door where we were barricaded, who called these officers racist pigs for protecting a white girl like me, That's who they again were almost forcibly had to side with in this scenario.
Well, Riley, thank you, thank you for speaking out. Thank you for speaking out not just for yourself, but you're speaking out for women, You're speaking out for young girls, You're speaking out for the next generation of athletes. You know, Title nine transformed athletics and created opportunity for millions of schoolgirls to compete and develop discipline and teamwork and get
all of the benefits of athletic competition. And I got to say, the current insanity of pretending there is no such thing as girls and boys, there is no such thing as women and men. It really threatens the ability of both women and girls to compete in athletics. And I think your courage there are a lot of people who are grateful to you, even if they don't say so. I'm telling you there are millions of Texans and millions of people across across the country who are grateful to you.
Riley Well. I appreciate both you, Senator Cruz, and of course been for everything that you guys have done. I mean, I think Senator Cruz, in terms of the gender ideology movement, there are really few who have done it as such a great job as you as highlighting the insanity spreading awareness. I think of the activist judge Sarah Netburn who I mean, your line of questioning was just brilliant, It was perfect, It was just enough. I believe the vote was twelve
to eleven. Yeah, but again that's largely a part of of well because of everything that you and your colleagues have done, and so just very very grateful for you guys and doing the necessary work even when it's not the popular thing. So thank you.
Well, there's a power to common sense and and just just speaking the truth at a time when when when it seems so many others are terrified to do so that that has an enormous power to enormous force.
Well, thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm waiting for the day when Kentucky and Texas flag.
Well that will come soon enough, and I will be happily rooting for Texas. But we'll see what happens.
Rilly, thanks again for coming on. People can follow you on social media obviously and see where you're speaking around the country. If you've never seen Riley speak, put it on your list. Tell your kids, your grandkids at colleges to make sure they see her if she is coming to their campus.
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