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It is verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you, Senator, you had one heck of a day and anybody that was watching the SpaceX launch, so you standing right next to President Trump and Elon Musk, this had to be a very interesting day of conversations as you spent eleven twelve hours with him.
Well, I did, and I'll tell you last night, I was on the Senate floor till nearly midnight because Chuck Schumer is ramming through a whole bunch of judges and we were fighting him until midnight, kept the Democrats on
the Senate floor until midnight. And then this morning, I woke up early, I got on a plane and I flew from DC down to Palm Beach, and then I flew with President Trump from Palm Beach to Brownsville, Texas for the launch the SpaceX launch today, and spent the afternoon with President Trump and Elon Musk, and then flew back with President Trump to Palm Beach where I'm overnighting and I'll be back in DC to So it was a full day. It was a fascinating day, a lot
to talk about. We also are going to talk about today Alvin Bragg's attempt to extend lawfair, to extend this criminal trial for five years, to punt it down the road, and to hold it as a sort of damocles over President Trump. This is going to fail, is my prediction. But we're going to talk about that as well.
Yeah, we're going I got a lot of questions to ask you about that plane ride and what I was talked about, because it's the first time you guys have spent some real quality time together since election Day, and I know everybody listening has got a million questions in their head, just like I do. I'm going to get as many of those out as I can. Let me tell you real quick about an incredible organization called USCCA.
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Text the word America to eight seven two to two right now, all right center, We're going to do rapid fire here because there's a million people that are thinking what I'm thinking and that is how does it work. You go down to Florida, you meet at the tarmac, and then you get on Trump Force one.
What is the process of that? Even?
Like so, that's exactly right, and the way it worked is I got to call yesterday from Trump's team saying, hey, you want to fly fly with the President down to Texas and go to the launch.
And I said sure, And so I had to get myself down here.
Uh, And so I flew in commercial down to Palm Beach and then went over to the to the FBO and met the President on Trump Force one. I have to say, it's the first time I've been on Trump Force one. I've been on Air Force one with him a lot of times, but it's the first time I've been on his campaign plane.
You know. It made me.
It reminded me of the first time I joined him on Air Force one. And this was just, I don't know, a couple of months after he became president in twenty seventeen, and when I came on Air Force one, I said, mister President, nice plane. And he looked at me and laughed and said, yeah, my other one was nicer, And I said, true, but that one didn't have missiles, which he laughed as well. And I have to say his having been on both Trump Force one is really nice.
It's a very well decked out. It's a beautiful plane inside a lot of space. And so we sat sad had about a two and a half three hour flight to Texas and about the same back and so spent a lot of time sitting in the plane talking. It was beautiful. We were there also with a number of folks. Don Junior came, Don Junior's eldest.
Or Kai came.
Uh. We we had Actually, you are going to be very impressed.
By who came. Do you know who was there?
Who else?
Bryson Deschambeau.
Well, see that now I'm now I'm having fomo right now. That's that.
And for people that don't know who Bryson is, Bryson is a is a world class golfer. He has won majors, uh and is and has been a huge Trump supporter and loves hanging out with him.
They play golf together quite often.
Well, and he just won the US Open.
Yeah, And and it was I'll tell you a good chunk of the discussion. So so I was there were four of us seated together and I was across from Trump and Bryson was next to me.
A good chunk of the conversation was about.
Their golf game and and he he and Trump play a lot, and what do you think Bryson drives?
So I'm gonna go three forty would probably be somewhere in that area. I mean, the guy just hammers the ball, and he had he's had some that have been three seventy five, three eighty as well.
He said he drives pretty consistently three fifty to three sixty.
There you go.
And that yeah, with technology now, he's getting better every year. That makes sense, and that is insane. If you've ever played golf, you know, I mean I hit the ball pretty decent and my average drive is like.
Two sixty five. So he's got a hundred yards on that.
Trump was saying, you play a part four and he's on the green and one.
It's unbelievable. So he just went to go watch the launch as well. That's so much fun.
Yeah.
No, he's he is, and he's a he's a Texan and he went to SMU. He's from California originally, so I didn't know him, but I hung out with him.
He was a great guy.
I really enjoyed hanging out with him. Linda McMahon was on the plane. Now, Linda McMahon was just announced as as the new Secretary of Education. I know lynd under the first administration, she was the administrator of the Small Business Administration. And actually Trump told us on the plane, he said, well, what do you think Linda's going to be our new Secretary of Education? What do you think of that? And we were like great. In fact, he was talking with Linda. Do we put this out today?
We put it out tomorrow, And they ended up putting it out today, so the news broke. She's going to be terrific at that, and so that was a good discussion, and so I had a good chance. I know Linda well and she's she's been sharing the board of the American First Policy Institute, so she's been very engaged with the president. She's helped leading she's helping lead the transition
team for President Trump. And Linda and I talked quite a bit about the legislation that I authored during the first Trump administration that that would be the most far reaching federal school choice legislation that's ever passed, and it was legislation that I announced with Betsy de vas Trump's first Secretary of Education at the Department of Education, and it became the Trump administration's lead school choice proposal was my legislation, and in fact, he talked about it in
one of the State of the Union addresses, and so Lenna and I talked about that and working to push for school choice, to expand the options for students and working together on that.
And she's an advocate for her school choice from what I've read, is that correct? I mean, that's something that certainly she is saying, yes, I like this idea.
Yeah, she is certainly an advocate for school choice. And she also has been an advocate for workforce training and education. That's something she's done a lot of at America First Policy Institute. And the proposal that I authored, what it consists of is federal tax credits dollar for dollar tax credits ten billion dollars a year, so one hundred billion dollars over ten years. Five billion of it is focused on K through twelve education, and five billion of it
is focused on workforce development education. And the way the legislation is structured, each state can choose whether to opt in or not, so it's not forced on the states, and the states can opt into the K through twelve part or the Workforce Development part, or both. And the way it operates is once the state opts in, any individual or corporation that makes a contribution to a scholarship granting organization in that state gets a dollar for dollar
tax credit on their federal taxes. And so what it results in is ten billion dollars in additional resources going to education and school choice. The way it is drafted, however, the federal government stays out of the business of curriculum. The federal government has no control, no strings over what's taught. The only requirement is that for the states to participate, they cannot discriminate against private schools.
Or religious schools. They have to let parents and students decide.
And if they do that, the money flows, and it would be transformational. To give you a sense of what it means means for a state the size of Texas. Texas is about ten percent of the national population. The money is allocated pro rata, so that would mean about a billion dollars a year in additional scholarships going to young people and adults in.
The state of Texas, which would be really, really potent.
So let's talk about that reform since you mentioned her name. And this is the best part about this show is we get to, you know, go down these rabbit holes. There has been such just fervor from the left to not move towards school choice because it's all about the teachers' unions. It's all about putting the unions first instead of the kids. There's a lot of kids in failing schools. There's a lot of African American kids, minority kids. The stand of
kids that are in failing schools as well. Is there the political will power this go around to actually do it, because look, I've seen a lot of concerns say, oh, they like the idea a keyword idea of school choice, but when it comes down to it, they're afraid their Gunshi. Do you feel like we're seeing a turn now, especially if you have a Secretary of Education that's on board with it as well.
So at the state level, definitely, at the federal level, it's still going to be a challenge. Let's talk about the state level for a minute. I think next year Texas is going to pass landmark school choice legislation and that's something I've been incredibly active in and so going down this rabbit hole, as you mentioned in the state legislature.
So out of one hundred senators, to the best of my knowledge, ninety nine of them avoid making endorsements and primaries in their states and state legislative races.
And there's a reason for that. Bennett.
You're a US senator and you make endorsements and primaries in your state.
It is a political loser for you.
The rule of thumb is when you make an endorsement, you get half their friends and all their enemies. And so most people don't do that, they stay out of primaries. I am the only exception of which I'm aware, and I regularly I make many, many endorsements in primaries in the state House and the state Senate. And I make those endorsements based on a single criteria, which is school choice. I think school choice is the civil rights issue of the twenty first century, and I am absolutely committed to
fighting for school choice. I think every child should have the right to have access to an excellent education, regardless of their raiths, their ethnicity, their wealth, their zip code. And so the way I do it in Texas, it is every two years. Every election cycle, I have my team prepare an Excel spreadsheet of every vote that every state legislator and every state senator is cast on school choice.
And if you've voted in favor of school choice, and you're otherwise relatively conservative, you are very likely to get my support. If, on the other hand, you voted against school choice, the chances of your getting my support are zero. And if you have anything resembling a credible primary challenger, I am quite likely to support that primary challenger. And when I do so, I don't do so gently.
I come in.
I'll often cut radio ads or TV ads. I'll come in and actively campaign. And I'll tell you, over the last two cycles, we have repeatedly beaten incumbent state legislators who opposed school choice. Two years ago, we almost passed school choice in Texas, but it failed because a bunch of Republicans voted against it. And this cycle I endorsed against those Republicans, so did Greg Abbott, the governor. He jumped in this time and we beat almost every one
of them. And I actually think the opponents of school choice are going to regret killing it two years ago, because I think what passes in Texas this spring is going to be much bigger and bolder, and I'm hopeful will be the biggest and boldest school choice program in America.
So stay does that become the blueprint then?
And part of the reason why you've taken these political risks and hit and doing what you decided to do with in these primaries, I'm guessing is because you want Texas to be the beacon for the blueprint for the way to get this done state by stake.
Correct, Yes, Texas should be leading.
And one of the things to remember, Texas has about ten percent of the school kids in the entire country.
So when Texas leads, when we pass.
The biggest and boldest school choice program, that is going to impact the whole country profoundly. Now, at the federal level, at the federal level, the pass legislation, you've got to get it through the Senate, which means you've got to overcome a fellibuster, which means you've got to get some Democrats. Right now, we do not have any Democrats, not even one in the Senate.
Who supports school choice.
Part of the reason my legislation combines K through twelve education with workforce development is with the workflow development. I'm trying to broaden the coalition. The Democrats are perfectly happy to tell African American kids and Hispanic kids and their parents go jump in the lake. We're not going to do anything for you, because we're bought and paid for by the teacher junions, and so we get no Democrats because of that. I'm trying to expand it so we
get the trade unions and construction unions. All of them care a lot about workforce development, and they are historically significant constituents of Democrats. I'm trying to expand the political coalition. That being said, we still have a significant journey to go, so I think I'm much more optimistic at the state level than the federal level. Now let's talk more about the plane trip with President Trump. I'll tell you just
mood wise, the President was in a great mood. He was laughing, he was as happy and relaxed as I've ever seen him.
As I said, we were talking about golf quite a bit.
It we were hanging out. He was he was glowing in the election results.
I saw him.
I think two weeks before the election was the last time i'd seen him, So I hadn't seen him since the election. I've talked to him since the election, but this is the first time I saw him in person. And he was he was just he was justifiably really happy about the election results.
And and and we.
Were talking about how it's a mandate, about about how his election results, how winning the Senate, the House, and how he's winning the popular vote, how he's winning all.
Seven of the swing states.
Really is a mandate to deliver on our promises and and and that was a big part of what we talked about on the plane.
Well, let's talk about also policies and cabinet. You mentioned he you know, you guys are on the plane he named one. Does he does he talk policy with you.
And with everybody around?
Is he talking about cabinet positions that are still left and open and need to be filled? Or is he talking about confirmations and and how that's going to I mean, I mean, how how organized is it when it comes to just or is he just picking your brain saying all right, what are we up against?
What do we need to do next?
So look, we're just sitting there.
It's, you know, a three hour plane ride, so you're just talking back and forth.
You're you're you're hanging out and and talking.
He mentioned at the beginning of the plane ride, he said, RFK really wants doctor oz uh To to to be his right hand and and and so he asked what we thought of that. I said, I I don't know Oz personally, but he seems like an impressive guy, seems like a good communicator.
I was obviously a medical.
Doctor who who knows how to communicate issues of healthcare effectively, which is.
Something that that I think is very valuable.
And so he showed us, for example, a statement that that they were going to put out that he was like writing right there on the plane and he he would be with his comm.
Staff and they'd come up with a statement they put it out.
And I mean, it's a wild thing where where where he composes a statement or a tweet that goes out and like five minutes later, you know, the TV on the plane is on and there's there's the news with his statement boom right on the TV. And so the news broke that doctor oz was what was was gonna be Rfk's right hand at Health and Human Services and.
That and I know you guys, you had it on CNN and MSNBC. Right, No Fox on the plane right.
All Fox, thankfully, Although we did talk some about Joff Scarborough and Mika going down to to mar A Lago and we were kind of laughing about that.
And what did he say about it? Because it was and we know what they said on TV about it. What did he say about it? Why was there why what was the logic behind having that meeting?
Look, he didn't say a lot.
He was pretty gracious about it. It was I will say, you know, Don Junior was was was less. You know, he made a comment something to the effect of my dad's a lot nicer than that I would be. Yeah, but you know he he met with them and and sort of look that MSNBC is is in crisis because they've lost their viewers. I will say we watched as we were flying back on Fox to Night Rosie O'Donnell, who had this like blistering statement blasting Joe and Nika, how dare you go talk to Trump?
You'll never be forgiven for this?
And I will say we all got a pretty hearty laugh at that watching the intense hatred from Rosy O'Donnell on the left, who are angry they're angry at the voters, they're angry at America, they're angry.
At the world right now for where we are.
And I think in mind you, Joe and Nika, we're desperate to try to respond to change circumstances. But apparently when they spent two years or four years or ten years saying he's Hitler, He's Hitlary's Hitler, apparently they want to sit down and palla around with Hitler.
Yeah, hang out with Hitler and come back and say we had a really nice meeting with Hitler. Said no one ever. But that is exactly what they did on TV. And I think that's part of the reason why there were such a strong reaction from both sides. It was pandering in its worst form. I actually think it was a brilliant move by Trump. And this goes back to that I call it the Trump Doctor. And he's willing to meet with anybody pretty much at any time, even
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Well, yeah, and we spent a good chunk of the plane ride, also talking about number one, how to resolve the war in Ukraine and Trump's concern and my concern that Joe Biden is escalating the war and it really is getting dangerous where we are in these next two months. But also talking about how to end the war in Israel,
how to defeat himas and get the hostages back. And so we had a really robust conversation on both of those fronts, and those are major foreign policy challenges that Trump was inheriting, and I have predicted for a long time that both of those wars will come to an end in the next year and maybe even sooner than that, because they were both caused I think fundamentally by the weakness of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, the.
Weakness of our commander in chief.
And I think having a strong commander in chief is going to dramatically alter how our enemies behave and bring those conflicts to an end.
So we talked about that at considerable length.
Yeah, and you can see people taking his lead at Germany, even talking with Russia saying maybe it's time to wind this thing down. That's not something they'd said before. So let's talk about confirmations. For a second, what does the schedule look like right now? And I'm sure this had to be part of the conversation because he names people. And then what you do next is you go meet with members of Congress to try to gain support. I'm
assuming that's full speed ahead right now. Those meetings are already taking place.
Sure that is moving forward. And what's going to happen is at the beginning of January, the new Congress will be sworn in, So the new Congress will be sworn in before Trump is, and so we will begin in the Senate hearings on the people he's name to the cabinet even before he's president. Now, we can't confirm anyone before he's president because he can't nominate anyone until he
is president. But we can do the hearings the first couple of weeks of January, and I fully anticipate that's what the Senate will do, so that we can move expeditiously with confirmations, in particular of the top cabinet appointments. And so we talked about that at considerable length as well. And then I got to tell you when we landed
in Texas, and we landed in Brownsville. Brownsville, as you know, is the southern tip of Texas, and it's where SpaceX at Boca Chica has built their launch site and has built a factory.
And the factory is where they build.
Starships, which are massive that that they're the largest rockets in the world.
They're absolutely massive. Uh.
They build them there, and it's where the launch was and and and the size of it just the rocket booster has thirty three Raptor engines in it.
Wow.
And each of those Raptor engines produces twice as much thrust as all four engines on a seven forty seven. So, I mean, it is incredible the power that comes out of the engines. And by the way, SpaceX makes those engines, they make the boosters, they make, they make the starship. And so we were gathered at the observation deck to watch the launch. And the observation deck is a couple of miles away from the launch because you can't be
too close the noise it is too great. And so we you know, saw the launch control room and and and then stood there with it with Elon and he was telling us about all the challenges and listen, they're still in the in the testing mode.
I mean, this is this is.
A star ship that that that Elon hopes and intends to take to Mars. And so they are testing that that they're improving, for example, the the the ceramic heat shield tiles that are on the starship. They're improving their thrusters, and then they're experimenting and learning what works, and so we you know, look, Elon was was very honest. He said, look at a test like this, we don't know what happens. And sometimes when you're testing rockets, you know, rockets can blow up.
It's why you test them to.
Make sure that that that that if they do have a problem, that they have a problem before you have a man's crew on it. And there was no man crew on this launch. But you're testing different different technology to see how it operates. And so we stood there and watched the launch, and people all around the world watch the launch. The launch was successful. It was amazing to watch. We saw it. What was really striking is you see it and then then it takes several seconds
for the sound to travel that distance. So it's already and I mean you're literally even at a cut several miles away, like like the ground is shaking from the force of the rocket launch.
And Elon is someone whom I know.
Well, I've spent a lot of time with Elon, but every time I'm with him, the guy is just so friggin smart. I mean, it's look, Ben, I've been blessed to get to know a lot of really scary smart people, and I got to say, Elon is just in a class all by himself. I mean, it's the guy just thinks it's not even outside the box. He doesn't know there's a box.
He just you look at.
Something like rocket ships. Everyone fired rockets in the air and then the boosters fell and you just discarded them and you did it again, and so every rocket was a single use rocket, and and Elon revolutionized said well, wait a second, why do we have to have single use rockets? Why not fire rocket in the air and then have it come down, and why not catch it out of the air with giant robot arms which he calls chopsticks. And everyone said, Okay, that's absurd, that's insane.
Nobody can do that. That doesn't make any sense. And of course that's exactly what Elon built, and it's it has so changed it was kind of funny. Elon referred several times, uh to the to this as alien technology and and and you know it, I don't think that's too much of an exaggeration watching it, so we all watched an amazement as.
As as we were watching it, or I was watching on TV, and many others were. I do have to say one of the most fun parts for me of watching you know, Trump and you and everybody there is just the boy boyhood excitement is and I say that in the in the in the the most sincere and authentic way ever on the faces of everyone that was.
Able to watch this.
I don't care who you are, just getting to watch it and to see Elon's face and in your face and President Trump's face and others that were around you guys. I saw Haggarty there for example. It was just the moment of like, this is unbelievable.
Well, and it was traveling, so the starship itself traveled halfway around the world.
The booster separated.
We saw the booster separate, and initially the plan was that it was going to go down and be caught by the robot arms where it had been launched, and in fact it separates. So the booster was attached to the starship for a minute and a half and then it separated, and we initially got the call catches a go, which we were excited about because they only tried to
catch it if all the conditions are right. And so they were going to catch the booster, and then they ended up altering the plan and not doing the catch, but having it instead landed the Gulf of Mexico, and so the conditions were slightly.
Off, and so they had it landed the gulf.
But Elon was really happy because it landed in the gulf, but it did not explode, and last time when it landed the golf, it did explode. And so look, they're testing different things to see what happens. And it was interesting. It floats in the water, and I was asking Elon why does it float? He says, well, look, once once the liquid methane and liquid oxygen is out, he said, it has the density essentially of an empty beer can.
And so just like you throw an empty beer can on the water and it floats, that's the same thing as the booster. And so they're going and salvaging the booster and discovering Okay, what happened? What's going on there? So that landed pretty quickly. The starship traveled for about an hour and it landed.
I think about go inside after how long were you outside?
And then where did you get to watch the second part?
So we were outside.
We arrived probably an hour before the launch, and so we were talking with Elon and we were in the control room and just having conversations, and we watched lunch, and we watched the booster separate, and.
Then we watched the booster come down, although.
We couldn't see the booster landed far enough out in the gulf that we couldn't see with our naked eye the booster landing in the water, but we had the video on a.
Big screen, so we were watching it there.
And then what we did, because you had about an hour while the starship was traveling in space and it was going about twenty six thousand kilometers an hour. It was about one hundred and sixty kilometers above planet Earth. One of the things Elon said is that the starship was traveling about ten times the speed of a bullet out of an assault rifle, which there's an analogy you can understand. Ben and as find out. Junior was laughing, going, all right, that makes sense to me too.
But that's fast.
Yeah, that's fast on a whole nother level. And so you got to watch all of this take place. How important is this just this technology and the fact that it's being done in Texas, because that is the reason why you were on that plane. That's why they asked you to go down there, because this is in Texas. I don't think people realize what this is doing for the Texas economy as well.
So it is incredible.
And while the starship was flying halfway around the world, left the launch observation site, we went to the factory, which is right at the launch site now the factory, so five years ago this was essentially an empty beach, like just sand and nothing was on it. And in five years Elon has built this incredible and I've been to it before, I've toured it before, but it is it takes your breath away. They are manufacturing about one rocket ship a month, and then these things are massive.
So you go into the factory and there I think it was twenty two stories high. As how tall the booster is, I mean it just goes up and up and up and up, and it's huge. And you know, we went in and saw and they are manufacturing them to a level of precision down to the tenth of a millimeter. I mean, you think about this, it's not like it's not like SpaceX is making just widgets. I mean, if a screw is wrong, the damn think can blow up.
There's so many ways for something to go wrong. And and they have a level of precision that is just astonishing. And so we went in and saw and toured. And one of the things Elon said is is, look, they're doing launch after launch after launch and everyone they're improving the technology and they're trying different things. So one of the things they did on this one is they're testing different angles of re entry to see, Okay, if you angle the starship at a slightly different angle, is there
more heat, is there less heat? What what happens? You know, what what's the optimum angle? So they're trying all sorts of different things. So we we toured those facilities. By the way, they like basically built a whole town. They built housing for the employees. One of the things Elon said that that you know, is a challenge when you're recruiting the best engineers and rocket scientists, and they're literally rocket scientists.
Is he said, you've got to.
Find a place that that there significant others want to live. And so they basically built the whole community with like houses all around there and like, I didn't go this time, but I've been previously.
They have like a little.
Tiki bar that's sort of a club that that that the employees can go and hang out. And then you know, he said, look, you gotta you have to create an environment that that that that that both your your incredibly skilled employees and and their significant.
Others want to be in.
And and one thing you know, but not every every Verdict listener may know. Look, Brownsville has historically been faced very significant economic challenges and and so to have this incredible high tech billions and billions of dollars invested in Brownsville and in in deep South Texas in the Rio
Grand Valley was really significant. By the way, when we took the motorcade from where Trump Force one landed to the launch site, the entire road side of driving along that there were thousands of people waiting, waving American flags, cheering, and one of the most significant aspects of this election in Texas is is that both Donald Trump and I, both of us won Hispanics in the state of Texas.
I won Hispanics by six point statewide. That's unprecedented. And the Rio Grande Valley, South Texas has been bright blue for one hundred years. It has been just an absolute bastion of the Democrat Party. And this election, South Texas flipped red. I mean, the Star County had a fifty point move. It's the most Hispanic county in America and had it had a massive move, Trump won it. That the move in South Texas I think is generational and transformational.
And you could just see it as people were cheering and thrilled the President was there.
That was a very cool aspect of it as well.
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All right, final question on this trip.
So you get done with all this excitement and then this is still kind of awesome. You get back on Trump Force one and you fly back to Florida. What was the conversation like on the way home again?
It was relaxed. We're having fun, We're talking.
You know, we had had Fox on and so we're watching Jesse Waters, Lori Ingram and Hannity. We're talking about all that and just sort of rifting back and forth. You know. As we were landing, Trump began playing music. And so when he's standing at mar a Lago, Trump likes to basically be the DJ, and he has an iPad there that he controls the music at Marlago and they'll sit there at the table and just play the
songs he wants to listen to. And so as we were landing in Palm Beach, he put on guns N' Roses, a music video that he loves from guns N' Roses, and then he put on another music video from Pabroti, which would you want to talk about some breadth in music Taste. That's what we were listening to as we went wheels down back in Florida.
Now, did you eat any McDonald's, Because there's a lot of pictures that get taken on Trump forts one eat McDonald's.
We did not. Our dinner instead was Waterburger because we were in Texas.
Dammit, I love it. See I set you up perfect for that answer.
So the answer to that, did you?
I know?
But I set you up there perfectly. So what did he say about Waburger compared to McDonald's. Was it a no brainer for him?
He was like, this is a really good Hamburger. Wow, this is really great. I mean he was I would say he was a fan.
I love it. All right.
I want to ask you lastly about big news that happened, and this is much more of a serious topic. Trump team is declaring victory after the Manhattan prosecutors push for a four year freeze on sentencing Donald Trump in his business records case. I've never heard of this before in my life. Maybe this is something that's normal. And Alvin Bragg is upset. He's like, no, no, I still want to go after Donald Trump. You gonna delay it. We'll delay it. But I want him. I still want him. I still
believe I'm right. I still want to put him in jail.
Well, President Trump has filed emotion to dismiss his criminal conviction, and the Manhattan Prosecutor, instead of agreeing to that, has suggested to the judge, no, no, no, don't dismiss it. Just put it on hold for four years, just freeze it. Don't sentence him, just leave the conviction hanging out there. And I got to say, look, unprecedented doesn't begin to describe it.
It is an absolute abuse of power.
And look, you had to understand, Alvin Bragg is an elected Democrat in Manhattan. In Manhattan, you've still got an overwhelming majority of Democrats, many of whom hate Donald Trump's guts, and so for Alvin Bragg, even though politically nationally the persecution and lawfare of Donald Trump, I think actually played a significant factor in his winning.
And that was the point I made to him on the play, is.
That I said, we talked quite a bit about all the cases and everything he's endured, and I said, look, ironically, the more they went after you, the more I think it helped you.
And if it had been just one indictment, it might have been more harmful, but.
There were so many that it became obvious to anyone that this was just a persecution.
This was a political witch hunt.
This was a partisan effort to go after someone because they were terrified that what would happen.
Is what, in fact did.
Happen, that the American people would vote to re elect him, and and and I think, as I said, it ended up boosting him significantly in the polls well. Even though it it I think was harmful to Democrats nationally in Manhattan, I suspect it's quite helpful to Alvin Brad because there are a lot of partisans who hate Trump. And I got to say, I am very hopeful, you know that this will be thrown out. The judge, Juan Marchan has demonstrated, I think, a lot of bias he is. He is
a partisan Democrat as well. It'll be interesting to see what he does, because I think if he agrees with the prosecutor, if he says, okay, we're going to just put this on ice for four years, I think that will prompt an appeal. It will probably prompt what's called a ridaman damus to an appellate court to order either
the case dismissed or to order him to rule. Because what Alvin Bragg wants to do is he wants to run for reelection, saying I prosecuted Donald Trump, I got a conviction of Donald Trump, and to use it number.
One, for his political advantage.
Number two, he wants to avoid a depellate reversal, so he wants four years of the appellate courts not examining the many and the rampant legal errors in his rulings. But number three, he wants to use this to threaten the president to have it hang over. And this guy's enough of a zealoth that. I mean, he's literally talking about okay, four plus years from now, when he's done with being president's eighty two years old. Alvin Bragg wants to put him in jail like it just to be
there to threaten the president every day. And by the way, number four, he wants CNN and MSNBC and all of the corporate media to refer to him as a convicted felon over and over and over again. And if the case is thrown out, that becomes a lot more problematic. I do not believe Album and Bragg will succeed in this.
Either the trial judge will say, look, this is not tenable, you can't you can't have a jury verdict, and then just free sentencing for four years, or if not, I think we will see an appellate court step in and say that this is inconsistent with New York law and it's inconsistent with the Constitution.
I'm very hopeful that's what will happen.
Well, I think it's fair to say one heck of a day, Senator, and a great day for the citizens in Texas, for just everybody down there in Brownsville, and also to hear that things are full speed ahead on the Trump train after this mandate and a big victory. I also just love hearing the Donald Trump's and such good spirits. He's been through hell and back. He's literally
been shot in the last six months. And to see him enjoying life the way that you described it with so many heavy things around him, I think that's just great for everybody to hear. Don't forget we do the show Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Make sure you hit that subscriber auto download button and write us a five star review if you would as well. And the Senate, and I will see you back here on Friday morning.