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It is verdict was center Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you, and it is our debate show. If you watched the Republican debate, you saw some lively moments. Senator, you watched it, I watched it. Give me your overall takeaway. Who was the big winner and was there any even a second place?
So you and I are recording this at is eleven forty one pm East Coast time.
I'm in DC.
So the debate just ended a few minutes ago. I gotta say my reaction to it. This was a bumpy debate. There were a lot of rocky moments. I think most of the candidates did not help themselves. But my clear conclusion from tonight is the big winner was Ron de Santis.
Why is that?
I did well? I did not think that in Debate one? So remember Debate one. We came together and I said, the winners in Debate one were Vivek Ramaswami and Nikki Haley and a little bit Mike Pens and the real winner was Donald Trump because all three of them were elevated, and that hurt DeSantis, and DeSantis needs to make it a two man race with Trump, and so that was my take on debate one. I think going into the night, Dessantus needed to do well, and I think he rose
to the occasion. I think he did by far the best of anyone on the stage several reasons. Number one is just the behavior of the others. I think they bickered like children, and I don't think it helped them. I think when they were just yelling at each other, back and forth, and back and forth and back and forth. When you see a bunch of people screaming at each other, they don't look like presidents. They're not behaving like presidents.
Presidents don't have to yap at each other. And I thought there were times, particularly early in the debate, when the debate kind of got away from the moderators. As the debate went on, the moderators did a better job of getting a little bit of control of it and having a little bit more discussion. But DeSantis had several
He had the best answers of the night. The single best answer of the night was his answer on education, and he was the topic came up about education, It came up about school choice, and he gave a strong, powerful answer about school choice. About how Number one Florida implemented universal school choice. Florida's led the country in school choice, so they've got a heck of a record to talk about.
He was asked about the attacks on their efforts to root out critical race theory in Florida, and he directly confronted that, and I thought it was a tight, crisp answer that was strong. A second answer that was very very strong is where he talked about having victories and listen, the reason people got excited about Dissantis when he launched the campaign is the victories that he had in Florida,
big policy victories. He emphasized that. The third answer that was really strong is where he talked about winning, and he talked about winning in Florida even as nationally we were getting clobbered. In twenty twenty two, he won by nineteen points. And I think he did an effective argument in many ways. His strongest argument against Trump is that he won by while many other candidates that Trump had
supported nationally did not win that cycle. And and and his argument, you want a winner, you want someone who can beat the Democrats. I'm that guy. I think he articulated it much much better tonight than he did in the first debate that that's why I think Ron de Santus won tonight.
You know, he mentioned that that you know, there's we've lost the last three times. As he described it, right, we were supposed to win in the last midterm elections. We were supposed to win the election before that and the one before that, and we didn't. And and he he also compared in contrast as you mentioned, I think extremely well, and it clearly clicked I think with people watching.
As I was watching it live, just like you were there, I was like, okay, this is this is one of those quasi moments where he was reminding people of history, like not only did we win when when the nation was losing, when the Republicans are losing on nights, we should have won, but we want it expanded in Florida. That was a potent moment to remind people that we should have control of the Senate right now and we don't because we had some bad candidate selection.
Let's just be honest.
Look, Republicans desperately want to win. The Biden record is an absolute train wreck. And I got to admit I lay awake at night in cold sweats that we will see the Democrats re elected in twenty twenty four. The damage they've done to the country in the last two and a half years, Holy cow, if they get another four what a bad outcome for the country. So, as I'm looking for a candidate, I want someone to can win the damn race. And in many ways that is
Desantus's strongest argument. And in the first debate he didn't really make it, and he came a lot closer to making it tonight, so I think he did better as a result.
Let's talk about the poll numbers coming out of this real quick, give me your predictions of who rises and who We had already had one candidate out of Arkansas who's fallen off the debate stage, did not qualify for this one. Everybody's goal is to make it to Miami to the next debate in what four or five weeks?
That's obviously the center goal.
But who helped themselves, who is going to go backwards and who could be in real trouble.
Look, I think the ends of the debate stage we saw Asa Hutchison fall off. I think the ends of the debate stage are at real risk of being eliminated from the stage. Doug Bergham. His numbers, it's not clear that he qualified for tonight, but they allowed him on the stage. But I think his numbers, he's going to have to do a whole lot of movement to qualify for the next debate stage. I think Mike Pence, he's the vice president, former vice president of the United States.
He's a good man, he's a friend. But I think he's right at the edge of not making the next debate. Also, narrowing the debate stage is a good thing this race, if there's going to be a real race. Look, in many ways, this is sort of like a basketball playoff, where it's a playoff to see who goes gets to go against Donald Trump. And I guess you can sort of think about it that Trump gets a bye. He's the former president, he's decided to skip the debates. So in some ways, ask.
You this real quickly. Is that still you think the smart strategy? Obviously, I think was the right strategy for debate number one at the end of tonight, Was it also the right strategy for him to skip debate number two?
Maybe maybe not. Look, I think he's enough ahead in the polls, the national polls, He's up forty plus points. I mean, that's a strong lead. And I think his his analysis, and it's not a crazy analysis, is he's so far ahead, why would he go and from his perspective elevate the other candidates. You know, you think about in twenty sixteen, you had two debates. You had the main debate and you had what everyone called the kid's table, which were the candidates that were at one and two percent,
and very few people watch the kids table. What Trump has effectively done by skipping the debate is he's trying to turn everyone else into the kids table, like this is not the real candidates, He's the only candidate. I understand that strategy. That is a perfectly rational debate strategy. I will say, you know, Trump got popped a little more tonight than he did on the first night, and in particular, I think desanis hitting him on abortion in life.
Look Trump's answer where he said it was a terrible thing that the state of Florida passed a law protecting life. That's an answer if you're talking to pro life activists in Iowa. I don't know how you defend that answer. And I think Trump did a good or rather dissantis did a good job of really holding Trump to account for it. Now, if he'd been there, Trump could have given it an answer. Trump would have presumably said, look, I'm the guy that appointed three justices that overturn Roe
versus Wade. I mean, he would have made a forceful response. But he wasn't there. And that's one of the consequences of not being there is someone can take a swing, they can hit you, and there's not anyone there who's gonna respond or defend you. So there were several shots at Trump. I think that's the the two that hit in any material way where I think DeSantis's point on
abortion hit. And I also think the general point about we want to win and what Dessanis argued is that he won in Florida while Trump supported candidates elsewhere we're losing. Those were two shots that scored some blood. Now do I expect major movements in the polls.
No.
I think the polls will be very similar next week to where they are this week. So I don't think you're going to see a dramatic move. But I think Desanis took a meaningful step towards making this a two man race, and the only conceivable way anyone has a shot at beating Trump is for this to be a two men raise, and I think this was a step in that direction.
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to it as the Washington not it all arrogance. And then you had the who had a pretty good debate last time. I don't think he had as good of a debate this time, that's my opinion. And you know, he was getting hit from all sides tonight, a lot of people attacking him on maybe some of his naivete on things like China, and he even said, look, sometimes I come across as and know it all, almost accepting.
That about him.
Your reaction to that dynamic of two very different people at very different stages in their career.
Yeah, Look, Vivek had a much rougher night tonight than he did in the first debate. First debate, he did excellent. He surprised a lot of people. He got on a lot of people's radar. He really did well tonight. Look, the other candidates don't like Vivec and they did not hide that they were taking shots at him, and it
was that there was some pretty sneering moments. I do think that the shot that scored the most was the argument that several candidates made, that Nikki Haley made, that Tim Scott made about being in bed with communist China, and they made some pretty specific allegations of him being paid by the same players that paid Hunter.
Biden five million by the way, paid to Hunter Biden five million dollars, the same people, which when when you hear that on stage, that's a that's a big for me, a red flag, right.
And Vivek did not have a good answer to that. He he he just he didn't respond on the substance, he just said, well, well, we need to follow Ronald Reagan's eleventh commandment, so don't criticize me. And and and I got to say in the last debate, Vivek did not follow Ronald Reagan's eleventh commandment. And I will say, to Tim Scott's credit, Tim's best moment was when he turned to him and said, hold on a second, Vivek, you said every one of us is bought and paid for.
Who the hell are you to say that. That was a good moment for Tim because it really was a pretty obnoxious thing for Vivek to say to allege that the other candidates are bought and paid for. And if you're gonna do that, if you're gonna say to the other candidates, you guys are all prostitutes, you don't get to complain moments later, Hey, don't criticize me, be nice to me. We shouldn't be be criticizing each other. And so I think that, uh.
That was almost one of the big inexperienced moments when I laugh when people say I want a new face who hadn't done this before, and I'm like, until you don't. And my point is sometimes experience in politics is actually important, and it's important especially when you get elected. It's really important when you're dealing with foreign leaders and world leaders at a very high level, when you're dealing with negotiations.
If you've never been there before, this whole idea of oh, I'm the new guy in the block, it's cute until it's not.
Look, I think the job of president of the United States is a very serious position. I think the burdens of it are enormous. There's a reason why just about every president who's ever served seems to age about twenty years in the job. It is an insanely difficult job.
You know.
I'm reminded of when Trump was newly elected, and I think it was March of twenty seventeen. Trump had heiding and me and the girls to the White House for dinner and it was a marvelous time. It was very nice of him to invite them, and we brought our girls there and as we're walking, we're walking by the Rose Garden, Trump looks at me and says, Wow, who knew this job was so tough? And I got to admit I was. I am rarely at a loss for words. I was genuinely flabbergasted. I was like, yes, some of
us kind of had that idea. I mean it was really a kind of And listen, don't take that comment wrong. I think when Trump was president, we accomplished an enormous amount.
But I also think this is a job that requires a seriousness of purpose, a seriousness of execution, on ability to communicate, to motivate, to get the job done, and it is a I am generally skeptical of any candidate who's never served in in any government position waking up and saying, you know, I should be president of the United States other than generals who won World Wars that there's not a great history of that.
Yeah.
Great point when you look at this moving forward and you sit there and you go, okay, I'm Donald Trump tonight. Afterwards, I'm obviously going to watch this thing he did his counterprogramming with you know, uaw et cetera. But afterwards, eventually you're gonna sit down, You're gonna take a look at this. Are you uneasy or do you still feel very confident that you're still going to have a forty point lead after all this?
Oh, look, I think Trump will still have a big, big, lead, but he's not happy that DeSantis did well. Trump would have been very happy if if Ron De Santis had sucked tonight, because as long as they're a bunch of candidates. It's why in Debate one, I said the biggest winner in Debate one was Donald Trump, because if there are two or three or four people on the stage that are gaining a pointer or two, he's winning. As long
as that field is fractured, he's winning. If DeSantis gets some real momentum, if he makes it more of a two man race, that's not ideal for Trump. And so I'm confident Trump is not happy about that aspect. I do think the next debate we will see one or two people eliminated from the stage. I think the smaller it gets, the more of a threat it poses to Trump and everyone in the media who is saying this race is over. Listen. That is at least a historical
at this point. At this point in the race, we're still in September before the election. At this point in the race, Jeb Bush was still the dominant leader. He was starting to fade, and Scott Walker was becoming the dominant leader. In twenty sixteen, after Walker, you had a Ben Carson moment where he says for about two weeks he had a huge surge, and then after that you
had Marco Rubio. And at the end of the day, if you look at twenty sixteen, Trump and I went head to head, we were one and two in almost every single state. No other candidate won more than a single state Kasikua, Ohio, Rubio one Minnesota, and Trump and I won every other state in the country. I won twelve states, He won the rest of them. So my point is, the people who were dominant leaders in the polls today in the twenty sixteen cycle did not win a single state. So the world can change a lot.
That being said, Trump is still in a very strong position. I mean, a forty point lead in the polls is not nothing. It just doesn't mean the race is over. As some in the media are wont to say.
Let's talk about foreign policy.
I actually was a little bit disappointed in the depth of that conversation, and I want to get your reaction to it. There was obviously a lot of talk about China, specifically with Vivek, but then you deal with Ukraine and you deal with border. The border issue, for example, it didn't seem to have a lot of depth there that I think many people were hoping for.
Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot of substance. There wasn't a whole lot of analysis of what caused the border crisis. I don't think any of those candidates have spent significant time at our southern border. I didn't get the sense that any of them fully understood it. You didn't have an explanation as to the to the real human tragedy that our crisis of the southern border is and why Joe Biden is directly responsible for it. Look, I will say Chris Christie, Chris Christi is the one candidate on
that stage who attacks Trump and does so repeatedly. I don't think he helped himself a whole lot tonight. So, for example, one of his big attacks on Trump, and he's been doing this on Twitter before, is he says Trump didn't build the wall and he didn't make Mexico pay for it. Now, look, I get that's probably a pretty good line if you're dealing with hedge fund owners and donors, but it's a stupid policy attack. Look, there are things that I wish Trump had done differently as president,
but on immigration, his record on immigration is excellent. And when Trump left the White House, we had the lowest rate of illegal immigration in forty five years. He negotiated the Remain in Mexico Agreement. The Remain in Mexico Agreement worked, It worked spectacularly well. Joe Biden inherited an incredible success on illegal immigration, and Joe Biden deliberately blew it up within days of becoming president. And so I think Christy
attacking Trump. Look, do I wish he'd built more border wall, sure, but not acknowledging that on securing the border. Donald Trump did more to secure the border than any president we have had in our nation's history, and in any candidate. Not saying that is being dishonest. So if you want to find grounds to disagree with Trump, fine, but that attack.
I don't know of a Republican voter who's persuaded by that attack, unless it's someone that already hates Trump, and then they're like, yeah, yeah, Mexico didn't pay for it. It's like, come on, guys, I mean, he did more than anyone else has ever done, and the results were really good.
And look, yeah, he was clearly trying Chris Christy was clearly trying to have a moment. I want to play that because it was a very interesting part of the debate you just mentioned it. Here is Chris Christy, in his own words.
Governor Christie, as governor of a non border state in twenty ten, you supported a path to citizenship, but when you run for president in twenty sixteen you flipped saying immigrants should be trucked like Edix packages. Where do you stand now on a path to citizenship for eleven million of on the commented immigrants.
The problem is that since no one has done anything since we first had this discussion thirteen years ago, we're not in a position to be able to do any of that anymore. What we have to do now is first treat this like the law enforcement problem. It is. Our laws are being broken every day at the southern border every day, and Joe Biden and his crew is doing nothing about enforcing that law.
They are letting it go.
And by the way, they announced during the presidential race that we're going to.
Let it go.
And we need to have a president who acts like I did as governor, enforce the law first and foremost. And that means what I'll do on day one is sign an executive order to send the National Guard to partner with Customs and Border Patrol to make sure that we stop the flow of fentanyl over the border, but also to make sure that we send a much different message. We want you here in this country to fill the six million vacant jobs we have, but only if you come here to follow the law, and only if you
come here legally. Come here illegally, we will apprehend you and we will send you back across the border from which you came. And the fact is that until we set a lawn order agenda in this country, not only now but in the future, we won't be able to continue this. And I'll look, I'll tell you this. Donald Trump failed on this as well. He said he was going to build a wall across the whole border. He built fifty two miles a wall and said.
Mexico would pay for it.
Guess what I think if Mexico knew that he was only going to build fifty two miles, they might have paid for the fifty two miles.
But by the way, let center, if he would have just stopped before he took the cheap shot at Trump, which I don't think landed with anybody that was watching, certainly not Trump supporters. It would have actually been a pretty decent response to the question.
Yeah. Look, there is not a single human being on planet Earth that thinks Chris Christie would be better on stopping illegal immigration than Donald Trump was.
There just isn't.
The question began with, gosh, you flip flopped and you've embraced amnesty repeatedly in your career, and Chris Christy built his career as a blue state governor and a liberal, demoderate Republican and so the attack. Look, I think in debates and in politics, truth and authenticity matters that when you have when you make a point that's from the heart,
that's real, that can land. And so it's why I think Dessantus's point about we need to win and we didn't win the way we should have in twenty eighteen, twenty twenty and twenty twenty two, that's a real argument. That's something primary voters are like, holy crap, we can't lose in twenty four and I'm a little bit nervous. I don't want us to lose, Like that's an argument that has some teeth. The argument that Trump didn't care
enough about securing the border. It's just not true. And I don't think it hurts any of the candidates to acknowledge truth and reality to say, yeah, look, I mean, we had some real successes on securing the borders. There're more to do, sure, but you didn't have anyone explain what caused this crisis was the decision one decision from Joe Biden, which is to embrace catch and release, so that now when illegal immigrants are apprehended, they let them go and they don't deport them. As long as you
do that, you cannot solve the problem. That means the next president. If you simply say, if you cross into this country illegally, we will catch you, we will put you on a plane, and we will fly you back to your damn country, that's the answer. That's how you secure the border. And you didn't have anyone with that clarity. But I think Christie's answer on that it didn't land because it was hitting Trump in an area of strength and not an area of weakness.
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Senator.
I also want to talk about China and fetanyl for a moment. You've talked a lot about fetanyl and the issue at the border. This did seem to be something that Republicans agreed on that we have a big problem.
The issue is how do you fight back.
Nikki Haley said, time to go to war economically with China.
As she described it, until they.
Stopped sending all the fetanyl into this country that's killing Americans. She described it as they're at war with us. They're taking our stealing our intellectual property. They're stealing everything then get their hands on from us. They're setting up spy bases in Cuba. They've done countless things that compromises countries, spybal over this country as well, and this president clearly seems to be compromise and cannot stand up to China.
I think we can all agree on that, but there did seem to be a sent on stage that hey, it's time to go on offense and to stop letting China run all over us.
Well, look, you know it's interesting. You just said a minute ago in your question you said this President Joe Biden has compromised on China. It was interesting. There was not a word said tonight about Biden's corruption, about the WHI was shocking, and there was very little said about Biden's record. There was very little said. What I found curious, and it's why I think most of the candidates did
not have a great night tonight. There was very little said about why they were the best candidate to beat Donald Trump. And in the primary, that's the only question is who can win the primary, And there was very little said about why they were the best candidate to beat Joe Biden. And at the end of the day, that's what Republican primary voters are looking for. And it
was it was odd. When it came to Trump, most of the candidates seem to forget that he existed, and when it came to Joe Biden, by and large, most of the candidates for god he existed, and you're trying to prosecute a case. You're trying to make the case that I'm the guy or I'm the gal to take us to victory. And on China, look, there was some rhetoric China's bad, China's bad, China's bad, But what we didn't hear from anybody was a systematic, comprehensive plan to
how do we beat China. And I believe I've talked about this a lot, that we need the sword of systematic plan that Reagan had to win the Cold War, a plan that takes on that that combats China's lies. It's murder, its torture, it's genocide, it's espionage, it's theft, its propaganda that goes after China, and there was very little said about how specifically.
We do that.
There was some general rhetoric China bad, but not a whole lot of substance. So therefore, what.
I was shocked by what you just mentioned, and let's dive into this for a moment. I think it was a huge mistake to not bring up the big breaking news that you and I broke on this podcast yesterday in a.
Quarter million dollars sent to Joe Biden's house.
Yeah, from Beijing, and no one mentioned it. On top of the fact that it broke after we did that show that based on the Plea deal agreement that was given by David Weiss, it said in that plea agreement that during the time that payment was made, the residence for Hunter Biden was in California.
That's in the plea agreement.
That came out as kind of like, hey, if you think that he was living in this house, that's the same residents of the President of the United States of America, you know, in Delaware, you're wrong. The plea agreement said during the time, and it also came out afterwards Center that in his own book that Hunter Biden wrote, he also said his book that he was living in California at the time that wire transfer would have come through. So there's even a bigger problem there, and no one
said anything about it on stage. That was a huge mistake, I think for all of them.
Well, if you think about any moment, and this was a long debate, this was a two hour debate and by the way, I got to say, there's something weird about the debate at the Reagan Library. So in twenty sixteen, we had a debate at the Reagan Library, right on the stage where they were, and the twenty sixteen debate that was the CNN debate, and it went three hours.
It was the longest debate of the entire cycle. And I remember, I don't know if this was true tonight, but in twenty sixteen, the Reagan Library did not have air conditioning that was made to survive the cleague lights of a television debate, and so it was hot.
And that many warm bodies in the room. People don't realize as rooms get hot and you have that many people in there.
There was a whole audience of people that there are bright lights. I remember by the third hour, we were drenched in sweat and I was standing there. I was actually standing, Mike Huckabee was next to me, Marco Rubio was next to me. Actually, Marco, to his credit, had a handkerchief which which he let both Huckabee and me use because we were both sweating like crazy, and it
was by hour three. It was unpleasant. Now, the good news is I think there were six people in the entire world that stayed up to watch the third hour of that debate, So it didn't matter that we all looked like we were drowning in our own sweat. I couldn't tell if they had the same issue this time, but I will say in two hours, it was striking that there was not really an effective case made. Here's how we beat Joe Biden and that matters a lot.
Nor was there an effective case. You know, Dana Prino tried to get to it when she said, Okay, write down on your piece of paper who you're going to vote off the island. And by the way, I will credit the candidates for all of them saying no, we're not playing that kind of BS game. That was the right response for them to say no. But even though you don't write on a card, you're not playing Jeopardy. There wasn't really anyone making the case other than the Santis,
which is why I think he won tonight. There wasn't really anyone making the case I'm the right standard bearer to win the primary, and I'm the right standard bearer to win the general and here's how and why.
Yeah.
There was also a lot of missus people said, at least in response online, that this debate was on Univision and they didn't feel like the candidates did a good enough job reaching out to Hispanic voters.
Your reaction to that as well.
Look, I think they did almost nothing. I mean to Hispanic voters. Listen, the Hispanic community. Our community is fundamentally conservative. It is culturally conservative. You look at the values that resonate in the Hispanic CAAs community.
Family oriented, very family oriented.
Family faith, patriotism, hard work, the American dream. Those are values that are fundamentally conservative. You didn't see anyone saying, you know what, you want to talk about the Hispanic community. The Hispanic community in South Texas and in California and Arizona's getting hammered by seven point six million illegal immigrants. By the way, every candidate tonight got the number wrong. They all said six million. Your numbers or are a million and a half off. It's up to seven point six.
The candidates should get their numbers right. But they didn't talk about the misery that is being imposed on the Hispanic community by this crisis of illegal immigration. They didn't talk about Hispanic families that are getting hammered by rising inflation. They didn't talk about Hispanic families that are getting hammered by rising crime rates. They didn't talk extensively about the Democrat efforts to defund the police and George Soros prosecutors.
They had some of that.
Actually, their discussion of crime, there was some decent moments. But the point you just made, Ben, nobody connected it to the Hispanic community. No one connected it to the African American community. And that's a point that I think is important to make that I hope in subsequent debates we get people making more clearly.
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Nicky Haley tried to land one against the deck and this is what it sounded like.
Every time I hear you, I feel a little bit dumber for what you say.
I don't think that landed the way she was hoping.
It didn't come across to me as I was watching it is this you know, big moment. I get that what she was trying to accomplish. Was that a mistake?
Yeah, it was a mistake. It that moment was harsh and it seemed too harsh. Look, look, Haley's a talented candidate. She's a talented communicator. She's one of the best communicators on that stage. She had a really good night in the first debate. This one was not nearly as good. That shot was mean spirited, it wasn't substantive in a debate, I think you're almost always better disagreeing with someone on substance rather than just sort of one line at hominem attacks.
And by the way, look, you can disagree with Evey because you could say that he doesn't have the experience to be president. You could disagree with him on policy, but the guy's not dumb. He's a smart guy. So the claim every time I listen to you, I feel
dumber like that, that is a pretty condescending comment. That going back to my point before, in a debate, you want truth and authenticity, you want the words coming out of your mouth for people to say, yeah, yeah, that's right, Yeah, I agree with that, and I don't think very many people agreed with that, and so it diminished her more
than it diminished Vivek. Now, I do think the other candidates on that stage are pretty chippy towards Vivek because he was pretty condescending and nasty to them in debate number one, and he made him shine. But there's some
grudges that were playing out tonight. I'll also point out there that there were moments when when Nicki Haley and Tim Scott were going at each other and they were just yelling at each other, back and forth and back and forth, and it was kind of a South Carolina pissing fight, and my take on it, that didn't really help either one of them. It was too parochial. I don't know that a whole lot of people care about
the internescine fights in South Carolina. And I think the effect of it is that both of them seem to be taking their eye off the ball, that the objective is first to win the primary and then to beat Joe Biden in the general. And I think that back and forth bickering didn't help either one of them in that respect.
Yeah, it's gonna be very interesting to see who gets kicked off that stage come Miami in the next debate there.
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