Welcome in his verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you. Senator Kamala Harris has got quite a history when it comes to wanting to limit free speech, and it seems to all be boiling up at this moment, just days before this big presidential debate.
Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz are the most anti free speech presidential and vice presidential candidate in American history. Kamala has a long, long history of calling for censorship, calling for silencing anyone who disagrees with her, of wanting to
use government power to silence her critics. If Kamala Harris becomes president, I predict now she will try to muzzle X. She will try to ban X. She wants to follow Brazil's path and ban X. She wants to use government power to go after big tech and force them to be her censors.
We're gonna break that down.
We're gonna lay out her record record is stunning and it is consistent over the years. A profound threat to the government silencing you.
Number two.
Kamala Harris on the border wall, over and over and over and over again, has been opposed to the border while she's denounced the border wall. Now she's running millions of dollars of TV ads featuring hold for it, the border wall, utterly and completely hypocritical, and astonishingly CNN has called her out for it. All of that in today's pod.
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Senator, let's get into freedom of speech.
I believe that this should be a center point of this debate that we are just days away from. And that is what you said a moment ago. Not only is Kamala Harris and her VP running mate Walls extremists, but they are at the top of the list of those wanting to suppress the rights of free speech of every American, including Donald Trump.
Look, Kamala Harris displays more antipathy to free speech in the First Amendment than any presidential candidate in two hundred and twenty four years. The last time we had a presidential CANi with this antipathy was John Adams, our second president, who had enforced the Alien and Sedition Acts and used
them to persecute his political opponents. It's been two centuries since that has happened since then, and Kamala Harris displays an unprecedented willingness to use government power to silence you. And I want to go back. I want you to listen to an interview that Kamala Harris did with Jake Tapper on CNN in twenty nineteen and listen to this back and forth between Tapper and Kamala Harris.
But I guess the question about you. I know you wrote to Twitter and the CEO, Jack Dorsey, and asked him to take away the president's yeah Twitter handle his account. How is that not a violation of free speech? I mean, the president has the same rights that you.
Have that I have, And how.
Would that not just be a slippery sloper? They have to ban you know half of the people on Twitter.
I've heard that argument. But here's the thing, Jake. First of all, a corporation, which is what Twitter is, it does not have the has obligations. And in this case, Twitter has terms of use policy, and there are terms of use dictate who receives the privilege of speaking on
that platform and who does not. And Donald Trump has clearly violated the terms of use, and there should be a consequence for that, not to mention the fact that he has used his platform being the president of the United States, in a way that has been about inciting fear and potentially inciting harm against a witness to what might be a crime against our country and our democracy.
And for that reason, I do believe that he is that it's clear that he has violated the terms of use, and I'm asking that Twitter does what it has done in previous occasions, which is to revoke someone's privilege because they've not lived up to the advantages of the privilege.
Freedom of speech is a privilege, she says, is granted to you by us, the dictators, And she was advocating for the president of the United States of America to be silenced by big tech and demanding it.
She was, and mind you, this is twenty nineteen, so this is before January sixth. It had nothing to do with that. He was the sitting president that she was calling on to be silenced. And I'll tell you what I want to do something. Play that clip again and I want to just start it. I'm going to tell you to stop it a couple of times midway through, but play it one more time.
I guess the question about you. I know you wrote to Twitter and the CEO, Jack Dorsey and asked him to take away the president's yeah Twitter handle his account. How is that not a violation of free speech? I mean, the president has the same rights that you have that I have, And how would that not just be a slippery sloper They have to ban, you know, half of the people on Twitter.
Stop.
Okay, let me start by saying, that is an excellent question from Jake Tapper. And I don't often praise CNN, but that was CNN. That was Jake Tapper being a real journalist. His question is exactly right. She is saying silence the president of the United States. He says, well, how's that not a violation of free speech? He has the same rights you do.
I do.
And isn't the consequence of what you're saying that Twitter would have to ban half the country anyone who disagrees with you, Kamala Harris, if you're not a leftist, if you dare say something conservative, if you say something like we need to see the border, Twitter has to ban you. How is that not a violation of free speech? That's a great question. Now, notice she doesn't answer it. Instead play what she says. And I'm going to stop you again pretty soon, just to play what she says.
I've heard that argument. But here's the thing, Jake. First of all, a corporation, which is what Twitter is.
So this is one of the classic arguments of leftists, which is corporations don't have free speech rights. That's what she's referring to. Now, that is, as a matter of constitutional law, objectively false.
That is wrong. And let me tell you why it is wrong.
The New York Times is a corporation, Ben Do you think The New York Times has free speech rights? I think they absolutely do. CNN is a corporation. Do you think CNN has free speech rights?
Yes.
Simon and Schuster, which publishes books, they're a corporation. You think they have free speech rights.
If they didn't, they would be in a lot of trouble a lot of days the year.
Paramount Pictures, which makes movies, they're a corporation. You think they have free speech rights? Planned Parenthood is a corporation? You think Planned Parenthood has free speech rights?
As much as I don't like it, Yes.
The NRA is a corporation. Does the NRA have free speech rights?
Absolutely?
The NAACP is a corporation. Does the NAACP have free speech rights?
Yes, And they would argue all day and all night to that.
And by the way, the Supreme Court has agreed with your answers on every one of those, over and over and over and over again. So understand her standard left is well, it's a corporation, so it doesn't matter. That is gibberish, It is nonsense. What is a corporation? A corporation is a legal structure for human beings to organize together in a collective endeavor, and in politics, corporations frequently engage in speech and political speech. It is a method
through which people speak. And so she starts with the idea, okay, corporations.
We can do it. Now, keep playing what else she says, does not.
Have the has obligations and in this case, Twitter has terms of use policy.
Okay, to notice what she said, Twitter, Twitter is a corporation, and a corporation has obligations. Now that those are the words of a collectivist. Those are the words of a totalitarian. If you do business in my government, you have obligations, you have obligations. She's going to tell you what those obligations are, and they are not to be a spoiler, but to silence anyone who dares disagree with me. The all powerful oz keep playing.
Views, dictate who receives the privilege of speaking on that platform and who does not stop the privilege.
She's saying.
By the way, and to be clear, it's not just Donald Trump that has the privilege of speaking.
On that platform.
Twitter has become the public square X today has become the public square. It is the most important forum on planet Earth for free speech. And in Kamala's leftist totalitarian view, and that's what this is. This is government unchecked power. It is merely a privilege, and a privilege that she as the dictator, can revoke if you dare dissc agree with her. It is not a privilege. The First Amendment says Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.
It's not a privilege, it is a right protected in the Bill of Rights.
Keep playing.
He violated the terms of use, and there should be a consequence for that, not to mention the fact that he has used his platform being the President of the United States in a way that has been about inciting fear and potentially inciting harm against.
So number one, she says there should be a consequence. Notice, she is threatening, we will punish you. If you do not obey, we will punish you. And to be clear, she's not talking about silencing an ordinary citizen. She's talking about silencing. This is twenty nineteen, the sitting president of the United States. She wants him banned from speaking. Why
because she says he has incited fear. So, in other words, when he talks about the threats of murderers coming across our southern border, when he talks about the threats of terrorists coming across our southern border, well, in her world, that's inciting fear. That's a message she does not want
people to hear. Why because she wants as many illegal immigrants, including murderers and terrorists coming across our southern border, and if you incite fear, well, that's really inconvenient for her political agenda.
Keep going yes to what might be a crime against our country and our democracy. And for that reason, I do believe that he is that it's clear that he has violated the terms of use, and I'm asking that Twitter does what it has done in previous occasions, which is to revoke someone's privilege because they've not lived up to the advantages of the privilege.
Revoke someone's privileges. That is radical, yep.
And by the way, at the time Jack Dorsey was the CEO. Jack Dorsey is someone who does not respect free speech, who would use Twitter repeatedly to censor aggressively. When Elon Musk bought Twitter, he released the Twitter files, so we now know just how eager Jack Dorsey was to censor people who dared disagree with the leftist orthodoxy. But even Jack Dorsey, this was too much for him. He did not ban Donald Trump in twenty nineteen when
Kamala Harris asked him to from Twitter. He didn't do it then, but she was saying, she's demanding that they silenced the existing the sitting president because she doesn't like what he's saying.
Now, I want to play another interview.
Actually that Jake Tapper did with Kamala Harris the same month, October of twenty nineteen, and on the same topic. So this is a different night but the same rough time period. Play the second interview.
He has lost his privileges and it should be taken down. And the bottom line is that you can't say that you have one rule for Facebook and you have a different rule for Twitter. The same rule has to apply, which is that there has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power. They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation, and that has to stop.
I want to take the end of her statement there. They are directly speaking to millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation, and that has to stop. That may be the single most anti free speech statement I have ever heard a political candidate give. She is saying that the government must provide oversight and regulation of any platform that, in her words, speaks to millions of people. Because if you are effective in free speech, if you
reach a lot of people. The government is going to decide whether you get this privilege or not if you care a free speech. That ought to scare the hell out of you. And let me be clear, Listen, the difference between me and Kamala Harris could not be more stark. She wants to silence her opponents. She wants to silence Donald Trump, she wants to silence Elon Musk, she wants to ban X all of it. I believe if she's
president she will try to do that. I'm sure she wants to silence you and me, Ben, Let's be clear about the difference. Yeah, I would silence you, and I do not want you and I do not want to silence her. I would vigorously oppose any effort to censor or silence her. I don't want to silence Bernie Sanders. I don't want to silence AOC. I think their policies are blithering idiocy. So I want people to hear what they're saying. Look, in this podcast, we are playing her words.
We're not silencing them. We're doing the opposite, which is Look. John Stuart Mill said, the best cure for bad speech is more speech. If we were to talitarians. This is not there's not a both sides does this. We're not saying silence the other side, use power. We're saying no, no, no. She has a right to prattle on to her heart's content, and if you don't like what she's saying, that the remedy for that is to lay out the truth, the facts, the argument, and prove why she's wrong.
It is also scary just how easy it rolls off their tongue and how quickly they're willing to just go automatically to well, you should just silence someone. And this is I think part of what the Democratic Party has become. They do believe that every American that disagrees with them there should be a consequence for their views, There should
be a consequence for their statements, for their words. We also heard, and I'll never forget this because I've said this before, Senator, Believe them when they say what they say, Believe them when they tell you what their plan is. Remember when they said that we need re education camps for Trump supporters and Trump voters. And it wasn't just one person that, it was like the entire Democratic Party singing in verse on a Sunday morning, in choir together.
It was like weeks of we need to re educate these people.
Well, and they have a new mantra that if you disagree with leftist orthodoxy, you are a quote enemy of democracy. And that's their new justification. In defensive democracy, they're going to silence half the country in defensive democracy, they're going to muzzle free speech. In defensive democracy, they're going to ensure that you can only say what they want you to say. Look, that reminds me of a Nigo Montoya and the Prince's Pride. You'll keep on using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means. That is not, in fact, what democracy means. Democracy does not mean the government has the power to silence you if you dare disagree with your government overlords. In fact, that would be precisely the opposite of democracy. But with or Will Orwellian irony, they use the word democracy to
justify their silencing their opponents. I want you to play now, Kamala Harris when she went to speak at the NAACP again and this is in twenty nineteen or the presidential campaign, listen to what she promised to do if she became president.
And will put the Department of Justice of the United States back in the business of justice. We will double the Civil Rights Division and direct law enforcement to counter this extremism. We will hold social media platforms accountable for the hate infiltrating their platforms because they have a responsibility
to help fight against this threat to our democracy. And if you profit off of hate, if you act as a megaphone for misinformation or cyber warfare, if you don't police your platforms, we are going to hold you accountable as a community.
Wows you accountable? And who is it that's going to hold you accountable? The United States Department of Justice. That is a threat to X, to Facebook, to every social media site, to every Internet site, to every media site. If you dare what she says is if you act as a platform for misinformation and understand what she means by misinformation is anything she disagrees with.
If it is not fifty of America, you must silence yes, and the Department of Justice is going to do it.
We will hold you accountable. She's threatening government power to force censorship, and if big tech doesn't go along with it, the Department of Justice will come after it. You know, Jonathan Turley tek.
You this real quick?
Yeah, does that mean when you say come after? I think people need to understand what that means. We hear that, we think, Okay, it's gonna be like a parking ticket. I don't think that's what she means, but there's a I be like, Wow, that just means you're gonna get like a little fine. I think what she means is what they've done so far with people they don't like.
They want to put you in jail. They would be locking up people that work at these companies as the threat and massive finds that could bankrupt companies.
Well, to understand that they want to put you in jail. Look at what they're doing on January sixth, the prosecution from January sixth, the Department of Justice, Jack Smith is trying to prosecute Donald Trump. And you know what they're using as a basis for the prosecution tweets he sent. He sent tweets and they're trying to put him in jail for it. By the way, we covered in this podcast couple of weeks ago in the United Kingdom, they sentenced a mand to twenty months in jail for a
Facebook post twenty most couple weeks ago. That is happening right now.
And so.
Listen, we've seen under Joe Biden, the Department of just weaponized. The difference between Biden and Kamala. Biden is a puppet. He is unaware of what's going on around himself, and so he is manipulated by the hard left, the radicals in his party. Kamala is a true believer.
She believes in this.
She is eager to use government power. And I was mentioning a second ago Jonathan Turtley. He was a terrific law professor at GW. He is a friend, and he's a really good thinker. He wrote an op ed on September fourth that is entitled quote that has to Stop. Harris denounces unfettered free speech in twenty nineteen CNN interview and it's the one we played just a minute ago. But I want to read a couple of paragraphs from his op ed because it's really really strong. Here's how
he opens quote. I previously wrote how a Harris Waltz administration would be a nightmare for free speech. Both candidates that would be Harrison Waltz have shown a pronounced and have shown pronounced anti free speech values. Now ex owner Elon Musk and former Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Junior have posted a Harris interview to show the depths
of the hostility of Harris to unfettered free speech. I have long argued that Trump and the third party candidates should make free speech a central issue in this campaign. That has not happened. Kennedy was the only candidate who was substantially and regularly talking about free speech in this election. Yet Musk and Kennedy are still trying to raise the chilling potential of a potential of a Harris Waltz administration. And then I want to focus on the end of
Turley's article because it's really good. He's talking about the end of it, he says quote for free speech advocates. The twenty twenty four election is looking strikingly similar to the election of eighteen hundred. One of the greatest villains in our history discussed in my book was President John Adams, who used the Alien and Sedition Acts to arrest his political opponents, including journalists, members of Congress, and others. Many
of those prosecuted by the Adams administration were Jeffersonians. In the election of eighteen hundred, Thomas Jefferson ran on the issue and defeated Adams. It was the only presidential election in our history where free speech was a central issue for voters. It should be again. While democracy is really not on the ballot at this election, free speech is Turley. Professor Turley is exactly right. That is powerful, it is profound,
It is true. And I look, I've spent my entire adult life fighting to defend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and free speech in particular. I am passionate about free speech. And you and I are ringing the alarm bells the threat that Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz posed to free speech. It is greater than any candidate in our lifetime, and greater than any candidate in two centuries.
Amen to that.
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When I say weird, like a next level weird. CNN and I've got two theories I want your take on this came out and did a three and a half minute segment attacking Kamala Harrison Primetime, attacking her for using Trump's wall in her new border ads.
They actually went.
Back years, all the way back to twenty seventeen, and they were proud of themselves, patting themselves on their back for finding more than fifty instances of Harris slamming Trump's border wall, and they put this story together. Now I want to play it, but there's two things here that I think could be a possibility. A CNN has become so irrelevant with no one watching, and the ratings back up that point that they're desperate to get their ratings back.
Having Trump in office delivers that to them. The highest ratings that CNN's had in years was when Donald Trump was in office and they were attacking him twenty four to seven, and that brought the crazies end to watch them. That's option number one. Option number two is are they doing this center because they're realizing that Harris and this big bump she was supposed to have for the convention
didn't actually happen. Are they hedging their bets they think she might lose and so they want to look like they're actual journalists or could both of those be true at the same time.
Well, let's play this first, because it really is a stunning piece, and it simply takes the fact that she's spending millions of dollars advertising and featuring the border wall as something she now supports, and it contrasts that with her record for years and years and years viciously, passionately, emphatically opposing the border wall, and I'll tell you the contrast is striking. Give a listen, and remember this is CNN.
Tonight, K File investigates in a new report you'll see first out Front. The K file team scoured Kamala Harris's tweets and statements going all the way back to twenty seventeen, and what they found was more than fifty instances of Harris slamming Trump's border wall. But now new Harris campaign ads actually showcase that very wall.
As a border state prosecutor, she took on drug cartels and jail gang members for smuggling weapons and drugs across And.
On top of critical tweets, Harris also wrote in her twenty nineteen book quote, there was a bigger reason to oppose the border wall.
A useless wall on.
The southern border would be nothing more than a symbol, a monument standing in opposition to not just everything I value, but to the fundamental values upon which this country was built. How could I vote to build what would be little more than a monument designed to send the cold, hard message keep out well. P files Andrew Kaczinski joins me. Now, so, Andrew, I mean you and you all have gone through, I mean scoured an incredible amount of material. Tell me more about what you found.
Yeah, that's right. We found more than fifty of those those tweets criticizing the border wall before she used that in her ad, and I want people to take a look at just a few of what she said here. She called it wasteful, useless, a waste of taxpayer money, a vanity wall project, a wasteful border wall, a stupid wall, a medieval vanity project, and an unnecessary wall. And those are really I mean, there were more of It was just like ten or fifty, but there was. There was
really a lot of. This was the common refrain during the campaign. You read that quote where she said it was against everything that not only she stood for everything America stood abord, but and she brought this up a lot. Take a listen to just one instance of that. In twenty nineteen.
It's the president's vanity project.
His multi billion dollar vanity project called a wall, is nothing more than a distraction from the fact that he actually has it focused on working people in America. He contrived in National crisis around his big distraction.
All right, so you go through all of that, You've got all the tweets, and yet all of a sudden, in the ads there's pictures of the wall. And then you went through to look at that wall, like, what is that specific wall that's in her campaign ads now? And you found something very interesting about this specific portion of the wall.
And what's I think what's also really remarkable. This is like I mean, you heard her talking about it. There the Trump's wall in his campaign during his presidency, there was really no greater symbol of Trump's presidency than the wall in the way that Democrats were attacking him over the wall and his restrictive immigration policies. So we looked in that ad and if you look at it, that exact area of wall is in Sasabe or sip Arizona, and that is a portion of wall that was actually
built by Donald Trump. It was built in an area where there was not previous wall. It was actually pretty controversial when they were building it at the time. So just to see that, and then there are others.
He's using his wall that he built to say look at.
What I did.
And the other images of the wall, we weren't able to pinpoint. But there's there's telltale signs that that was a Trump wall because there's an anti climbing plate on top that became popularized during the Trump years.
It's really incredible reporting and important. All right, Andrew Kosinski and k File, thank you very much.
Now there's also another theory center, and that could be they were just hold on before the theories before the third is I do want to take the very end the comment.
It's really incredible reporting. So actually, no, it's not. It's not incredible reporting to say one nominee for president is spending millions of dollars running ads claiming to support something that she spent her entire entire professional career denouncing over and over and over and again. Like, that's not incredible reporting. That's called just actually doing your job. That that is, in fact, what reporters are supposed to do. And this is a story that illustrates that her campaign is built
on deception, it's built online. Understand this goes back to why is it in the six weeks since Kamala Harris became the presumptive Democrat nominee, she's done precisely one media interview, actually with CNN, the fake interview she did with Dana Bash that we broke down. If you didn't listen to the podcast analyzing the Dana Bash interview, you ought to because it was not an interview, it was a campaign commercial.
That that that that that protected her.
But other than that, she's done no media interviews. She's done zero press conferences. And it's because her strategy is to hide from everything she's ever said, everything she's ever done, every vote she's ever cast, to hide from her record and instead to claim to claim that she supports things she does not support. Now listen, her left wing supporters are not upset that she is running ads picturing the border wall. Why because they know she's lying. Everyone knows
she's lying. But CNN called her out and and it that is, in fact the job of journalism to call people out when their record is directly contrary to what they're saying on the campaign trail.
You look at the CNN interview that you mentioned, and that was my third. My third possibility is it really seemed to do some damage to CNN. They were embarrassed at how much they were called out for just propaganda that night, even from putting live. You and I talked about this putting up live on the screen when the interview was taped.
So let me tell me something, Ben, So, Ben, you spent a lot of years as a paid CNN employee.
Yes, seven years in hell, so what I call it?
Yeah, you said they were embarrassed. Do you think they actually were embarrassed. I'm not sure they can be embarrassed. I'm actually curious about your thoughts on this.
So I actually think they were because they were just ridiculed. It was daylight outside, it was primetime at night when they aired it. It was obvious that it wasn't live. And when you do something that egregious, I think even people that are left of center are like, come on, like really, Like you think we're dumb enough to believe that it's daytime right now while we're watching it at nighttime, and we're dumb enough to believe it's live when we've already we already know it's been taped and it.
Has been well publicized it was taped.
But I also think the other part that hurt them and embarrass them was the interview was incredibly short compared to what normal interviews of this magnitude are. I mean, you look at the town hall last night that happened with Trump and Hannity. I mean, it's solid hour plus on these things, and her interview taped edited in the daytime and then you know, claiming it's live at night.
I think that that is a point where they're like, Okay, maybe we have to bring the penulum back here a little bit because we look so much like we are a mouthpiece for a campaign, and if she loses, that puts us in a really bad situation.
Look, that's possible. And you asked a minute ago if they're trying to cover their bases. You know, I actually, you know, I'm a believer in Occham's razor that sometimes the simplest explanation is the best. I actually think in this instance, the dissonance, the the the contrast between what Kamala Harris is campaigning on and what she has said for her entire career it is so massive that I think they just ended up saying, all right, let's let's
say it. I actually think, even though they're propagandists, it to see her embracing Trump's border wall is a level at which, you know, I asked a minute ago if they could get embarrassed. I think for a brief moment in time, they actually wanted to be journalists. And and and and I have a and and By the way, let's be clear, this is a remarkable podcast and maybe the only podcast we've ever done where twice now I praise CNN.
I praise CNN at the beginning of.
The podcast for Jake Tapper's question of Kamala Harris, that was a real question. It was a good question, Jake. It was a question a journalist would and should ask and listen, this story, this story is a question a journalist would and should covered. By the way, has ABC run the story? No, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, Nope, Like wait, they say their journalist. I mean CNN doesn't have it exclusive. Do you think MSNBC knows that she's lying when she runs an ad saying look at this border wall.
Yeah.
Well look, there's also another possibility that you and I have been having this discussion. It could be this is their way of slapping come on the hand for not being radical enough, like no, no, no, we don't go to border wall. And if you do it, we're gonna embarrass you. You're supposed to, you're supposed to hate the border wall. That's who you are. We're going to remind you of who you are, and we're gonna make you look bad when you when you pander this way on an issue
we disagree with that. That also could be part of what the executive producers at CNN we're so mad at.
Yeah.
Look, maybe you know I years ago one of my very first bosses, uh had had a bit of advice for me that I think was really insightful, and it was about government, and it was never ascribed to malice. What can be explained with incompetence in this instance, at least to me, I'm not reading a whole lot of Machiavellian uh you know positioning in CNN doing this. I think it was just there were like, holy crap, this
is BS. I hope that is. I mean, that's actually a human instinct, and it is an instinct a journalist is supposed to have. Now, maybe I'm being naive, I mean, Ben, maybe you're you're more cynical than I am on this, and maybe I'm not cynical enough, but but one hundred percent, I.
Wait, I would say this way. I wish that I thought the way you thought on this.
I just think this is too big of a one to eighty from them sucking up to Kamala Harris a week ago, like.
It's like what happened, Yes, but to be clear, it is different. Okay, it is different.
Listen.
One of the reasons that we didn't talk about this, I think in in our podcast analyzing the Dana Bash fake interview. But I do think a component is CNN desperately wanted that interview, Like the Kamala Harris campaign put it out there, Hey, we're going to do an interview with someone, and we want to see who will kiss our ass the most. If you're just doing it a little, no, that's not enough. We want both lips full pucker. We
want enthusiasm. And I do think there was a level of just corporate servility that we want this interview and we will abase ourselves. We will we will abandon any pretense of journalistic ethics. We'll do any thing we can to get this interview. And so I think it's easier in a story where you don't have Kamala Harris, and in particularly the context where they won't give anyone an
interview with Kamala Harris. When you don't have her there, it is easier to actually run one real story for three minutes out of the twenty four hours a day you're on TV.
Yeah.
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your first order. Senator, we are just days of from the first president of debate between the new candidate that no one voted for in Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. I got to ask you, is debate prep is happening? Maybe as we speak right now, what do you think the biggest vulnerability is now for Harris that we're in this thing post convention? Is it the flip flop on the border, is it freedom of speech? Is it national
security issues? What do you think now? The real issues are two months out from election day.
Look, it's her record.
Why is it that she's hiding in Joe Biden's basement because she's terrified of her record. Her record's a failure. The Biden Harris record of the last four years is terrible. Whether it's inflation in the economy, whether it's crime, whether it's the disaster at the Southern border, whether it is the absolute wreck of foreign policy that has led to the war in Ukraine, the war in Israel, the anti Semitic protests on college campuses, the radicalization of the Democrat Party.
Her record is a disaster. That's why she's desperately trying to run against run away from it. That's why she's hiding from the media because she doesn't want to talk about a record. We're going on the next podcast, We're going to talk about what to expect in the debate, and after the debate, we'll do a podcast analyzing exactly what we heard. Listen, this debate matters. This debate matters
a lot. Both candidates have risk here, and from her perspective, she wants to run away from her record as much as possible. My hope is that Donald Trump calmly prosecutes the case against her, that her record has been a mess that all the things she's promising to do. She is in office right now. She is part of the current administration, and I hope that Trump, more than anything, keeps the focus not on him but on the American people, on the people who have been hurt by the policy
failures of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. If Trump does that, he'll win the debate. Kamala, on the other hand, wants to do everything she can to provoke, to poke Trump into coming across as a jerk. That's what she wants. I don't know that that will happen. I hope it does not happen. But her strategy, she is right now prepping saying how can I poke the hornet's nest and get him to hurt himself. She's not looking to hurt him,
She's looking to get him to hurt himself. If he can resist that, he'll have a very good debate.
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