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It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you, and we have got a very important show.
First, we're going to deal with the debt ceiling.
Then we're going to deal with what Barack Obama said back in twenty eleven about the fourteenth Amendment that everyone seems to be really excited about right now in Washington. And also bud Light could they be in trouble for marketing themselves potentially to children. We're going to deal with all of that, plus the passing of a great Republican leader who passed away today will tell you about his story in life as well. But Senator, let's first start
with this debt ceiling. The debt ceiling issue is confusing too many and there's a lot of Americans that say, I just want to know what's gonna happen, where we're going to be, what happens if we default, and is that a real possibility, because we've seen this circus happen quite a few times. You've been in Washington when this circus comes to town leaves, and it's also you there's this political leverage many times by the party that's in
power in the White House. So where are we on the debt ceiling before we get to the fourteenth Amendment.
Well, right now, we're in a showdown, and we're in a showdown between Joe Biden and Republicans, in particular House Republicans who've passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling, but they put meaningful spending cuts as an attachment to the debt ceiling, and Joe Biden and the Democrats don't want to have any spending cuts. It's worth stepping back and saying, right, what is the debt ceiling? Because this is these are terms that get bannied about. We usually
hear about them once or twice a year. And the death ceiling is a cap on how much money the federal government can borrow, and Congress passes it periodically, and then because we keep seeing budgets that are deficit spending, the debt grows and grows and grows, and when it hits the death ceiling, in order for the federal government to borrow more money, Congress has to raise the debt ceiling.
And so that's the battle that's happening right now. The Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen estimates that what's called the x state, which is when we will hit the debt ceiling is honor around June first. Now, it's honor around that because the Treasury Department has some what are called extraordinary measures. It has steps that can take where that date is typically not carved in stone, but is a little bit flexible, and they can delay it. But what's happening right now.
For months, Joe Biden in the White House has said he will not negotiate at all. He's not willing to cut any spending at all, that the only thing he will take is a blank check to borrow unlimited money. Now, that was always an unreasonable position, that was always an extreme position, and one of the best evidences of that is that Biden's been forced to back away from that.
That On April twenty sixth, so several weeks ago, the House by a vote of two hundred and seventeen to two hundre fifteen pass their bill to raise the debt ceiling and yet at the same time to cut four point eight trillion dollars from the budget over ten years, and so the two were attached together. Right now, the two sides appear to be very far apart. Joe Biden is insisting instead of cutting spending, he wants to do guess what, raise taxes. And so they're fighting on a
lot of different issues. One of the big sticking points is work requirements for welfare. The House Republicans are insisting that if you're going to get welfare, if you're an able bodied adult, you should have to look for work or go to work. The Democrats don't want people to go to work. They're adamantly opposed to work requirements. So that's a sticking point. And if the two sides reach an impass, if they can't reach an agreement, I do think right now the chances of a default are higher
than they have been any time in recent memory. And that's dangerous because a fault would be very bad for the economy.
When you say it's bad for the economy, there's a lot of people that fearmonger over this. But the reality of a default, people say, right, well, if it happened, what does that really look like? And then how fast would you be able to undo it and fix it? Is that even possible to fix it? Or once you default, is a damage done and then there's a new normal.
Well, if the United States defaulted, our debt. What it would mean is that there would be interest due on bonds that the Treasury Department had sold that the Treasury Department would fail to pay, and that would be called a default. And the reaction to that would be that the credit agencies would downgrade the credit of the United
States government. And when you downgrade the credit, it would mean that going forward, the federal government would have to pay a higher interest rate and potentially a significantly higher interest rate to borrow money in the future. Historically, the very best credit rating has been the government of the United States of America, and so shaking that gold standard is dangerous and it potentially has lots of repercussions throughout
the economy. Now, we should never default on the debt, and this is an important thing to understand because there's a lot of scare mongering on this. Even if the debt ceiling is not raised on June first, we should not default on the debt. And do you know who could ensure that? Ben Who's that? Joe Biden? Joe Biden could stand up. Let me tell you what a responsible
president would say. A responsible president would say, the United States of America will never, ever, ever default on our debt, and no matter what happens, we will pay the interest on our debt. Now, how could he do that? Well, because every month the revenue that the federal government takes in is significant and is significantly larger than the interest on the debt. So through what's called prioritization, essentially, the president could say we're going to pay interest on the
debt first. That would ensure we didn't default. Now, why doesn't Biden do this? Because he wants to scare people. He wants to threaten the stock market, he wants to threaten the bond market. He wants to get people scared that their four oh one k is going to drop in value, that there's going to be damage to the economy. And he's doing this because he's counting on the dishonest corporate media to blame any risk of default on Republicans.
Right now, it seems to be backfiring. If you look at the polling right now, a large majority of Americans believe that we should reign in spending as part of any effort to raise the debt ceiling. Amazingly enough, and here's polling numbers in particular that ought to worry the White House fifty eight percent of Democrats believe we should reign in spending as part of any agreement to raise
the death ceiling. And so Biden is not just to the left of Republicans, not just to the left of Independence. He's to the left of a majority of Democrats in this country. And I think that shows that his position is really irresponsible and unsustainable.
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I go back to the media.
They've really tried to label Republicans and the Republicans ideas plan as extreme, imply that somehow they've gone rogue and they're going to destroy our economy, and if they're the ones that would cause these failures to happen and take place, talk about the Republican plan and why it is not crazy, it is not extreme, it's actually physically responsible what they're advocating for.
Well, that that is exactly right, and let's put this into context. Let's step back for a second and look at the overall numbers. In twenty seventeen, total federal spending in the budget was four trillion dollars. That was the entire federal budget. Total federal revenue was about three point three trillion dollars, so that means the deficit, doing some quick math, was about seven hundred million dollars. That was
in twenty seventeen. Then we had the pandemic hit. Then after the pandemic, we had the second pandemic, which was the pandemic of Democrats hit. With Joe Biden and Schumer and Pelos taking over Congress. We went from total federal spending in twenty seventeen of four trillion dollars to today total federal spending of six point four trillion dollars. So that's more than a fifty percent increase from twenty seventeen to today on revenue. So remember twenty seventeen, revenue was
three point three trillion. The Trump tax cuts passed. I remember the Democrats of the media all says this is going to devastate federal revenues. It's going to result in shortchanging the federal government. It was three point three trillion in twenty seventeen. What do you think federal revenues are this year.
I'm sure there are new records, and I'm sure we're going to waste every time of it.
Four point eight trillion dollars. So after the tax cuts, the economy boom. By the way, revenue increased every year since the tax cuts. That didn't go at down even for a year. So federal revenues went from three point three trillion to four point eight brillion. But if you do the math, the difference between four point eight trillion in revenue now and six point four trillion in spending means the deficit is one point five trillion. And what's
happened to the debt. The debt in twenty seventeen was just over twenty billion. The debt now is thirty one point eight billion, So it's increased more than fifty percent. It is massively. I mean, when you look at these numbers, they're shocking, which is why, thank god, House Republicans are standing together and they passed I think a very reasonable bill. They didn't try to solve the whole problem overnight, but rather they passed a bill that would result in saving
four point eight trillion over ten years. Four point two trillion of that is in savings directly, and five hundred and forty seven billion is in savings on interest because when you save money, you also save on interest over the ten years going forward. Now, what does it include. The single biggest piece of it is it reduces discretionary spending,
which is everything that's not mandatory. Mandatory is Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, but discretionary spending is most of the rest of the budget. It rolls back spending levels from what they are today to what they were in December of twenty twenty two. Now, last I checked, December of twenty twenty two is five months ago. Remember this, when you see Democrats screaming about these horrible draconian cuts that they're going to picture Granny
being thrown off a cliff. They're going to picture people starving in the streets. This budget cuts spending to what it was five months ago, what it was at Christmas time of last year. And it's worth asking anyone if you're at work, if you're talking to your uncle Joe, if you're talking to your next door neighbor, and they say, gosh, these are big spending cuts, it's worth asking them, was it the apocalypse five months ago? Would the world end if we spent as much in the federal government today
as we spent five months ago. That's what Joe Biden is freaking out about and calling extreme. What this budget does is it cuts spending to what it was in December of twenty twenty two, and then it allows spending to grow at one percent per year going forward. And what else does it do? It rescinds unspent COVID money. So there's roughly about thirty billion dollars that Congress appropriated to deal with COVID. Now, look, even Joe Biden admits
the COVID pandemic the emergency's over. So the Democrats are saying it is radical and extreme not to spend money on a pandemic that's over. That doesn't make any sense. What else does it do it cuts the spending for the eighty seven thousand new IRS agents that the Democrats really want to harass the enemies of the White House, to attack the middle class and the working class. An overwhelming majority of Americans would love to see those eighty
seven thousand new IRS agents not materialize. And then one of the biggest things that Democrats are freaking out about is the work requirements for welfare. And this is just a real divide. Look, you want to know what today's Democrats are all about. They're all about paying people not to work. And I got to say, I think, not only is that bad policy, but it's cruel. I think people want to work, they want the dignity of work,
they want to self respect. One of the most amazing policy results we had when Trump was president we had Republican majorities in both houses, is seven million Americans came off of food stamps, which meant seven million people got to experience the joy of going to work and providing
for their family. And you know, you think about it, that meant like a single mom would be coming home in Dallas, Texas, and she'd be carrying two bags of groceries and she'd set the groceries on the kitchen table, and her kids would look at her with a newfound respect because she'd worked and she'd provided for the family, and she'd look in the mirror and have a new self respect. I think everyone wants to work, and everyone
who is able to do so should work. And if you look at welfare reform, which when Bill Clinton was president, Republicans in the House forced Bill Clinton to sign, and by the way, Joe Biden voted for. Ironically enough, today he says work requirements for welfare are extreme and draconian. He voted for them when he was in the Senate, and they were an incredible policy success in the nineteen nineties,
just like under Trump. They resulted in millions of people going back to work and people re entering the workforce providing for their families. That is unambiguously good and it helps them in addition to helping everybody else.
No doubt about that.
I want to ask you also about the fourteenth Amendment, because a lot of people have been hearing about that.
What does it actually mean?
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Amendment on the debt ceiling. What's funny about that is Janet Yellen went on TV on Sunday morning and actually contradict to that, saying, no, I don't think that we can use that. There's a lot of mixed signals coming out of this White House. What is the fourteenth Amendment and why are Democrats all of a sudden obsessed with it?
Well, democrats hate the debt ceiling. They don't want anything that constrains spending or that constrains debt. And so this is an extreme legal theory. I think it's a frivolous legal theory, but it's something that the radical left is seizing upon right now. Now, what is the fourteenth Amendment?
Say?
Then, in particular, this focus focuses on section four the fourteenth Amendment. So the fourteenth Amendment was one of three amendments that was passed right after the Civil War. The Thirteenth Amendment end of slavery, the fifteenth Amendment gave African Americans the right to vote. Their foundational landmark amendments. The fourteenth Amendment was likewise absolutely foundational, and its most important provisions ensure everyone gets the equal protection of the laws.
That's called the equal Protection Clause, and also protects the rights to due process that you cannot have life, liberty, or property deprived from you by states without due process of law. And that was incredibly important protection of rights and especially rights for African Americans who had been enslaved prior to the Civil War, and the fourteenth Amendment was critical. It was the first major step and constitutional step to
protecting people's civil rights. Now Section four dealt with something different, which we'd just come through a civil war. It was very expensive, and there were a bunch of debts that the United States had incurred fighting against the Confederacy, and there were also a bunch of debts the Confederacy had incurred fighting against the Union, and what the Congress wanted to do in the fourteenth Amendment is to say, we're going to pay all the debts of the Union, the
debts that were incurred fighting to keep America whole. But we're not going to pay the debts of the Confederates. See the money they borrowed to wage civil war. We're not going to charge the taxpayers for that. We're not going to pay that. You're out of luck if you loan money to fuel the rebellion. So here's what Section
four says. Quote, the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any States shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of an insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave. But all such debts, obligations,
and claims shall be held illegal and void. Now, notice part of that was saying, Okay, there's no debt for the slaves who are liberated. It's not like the prior slave holders could bring a legal claimer say pay us back. It's like, no, slavery was horrible and evil and it is ended, and you ain't get nothing. That's what section
four of the Fourteenth Amendment said. Now what has happened is is the far left has seized upon that, and in particular the language that says the validity of the public debt of the United States shall not be questioned. And they say, well, that means the debt ceiling is unconstitutional and Biden can just borrow anything he wants. That position is absurd. It's not what it says. What it says is that the United States was going to pay
our debts from fighting the Civil War. But and to be clear, two people who agree with that are Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
Two days ago, back in the day, in twenty eleven, Barack Obama actually said this typically about the Fourteenth Amendment and the debt ceiling.
Listen to Obama back in twenty eleven.
Now, the gentleman asked about the Fourteenth Amendment.
There is.
There's a provision in our constitution that speaks to making sure that the United States meets its obligations. And there have been some suggestions that a president could use that language to basically ignore this debt ceiling rule, which is a statutory rule, it's not a constitutional rule. I have talked to my lawyers. They do not they are not persuaded that that is a winning argument.
I mean, that's the President of United States of America, Joe Biden, back in twenty and eleven. Excuse me, Barack Obama, I say, back in twenty eleven saying that.
Yeah, look, Obama, the same thing. The left was pressing Obama do this, and Obama was willing to stand up to him and say, Nope, we can't do it. And just two three days ago, the left was pressing Biden to embrace this same wacky claim, and he told Brooke progressives, Nope, nope, can't do that. And then what happened as Bernie Sanders gave a speech and said, use the fourteenth Amendment, ignore
the death ceiling. Borrow, borrow, borrow, bankrupt the country. That's not exactly what he said, it's basically what he said. And you know what, Biden did the same thing he's done for two and a half years. Every time Bernie Sanders in the socialist bark, he rolls over. He does whatever they say. And so he's was in Hiroshima, Japan at the G seven. He wasn't even here negotiating on the dead ceiling, and he said, well, gosh, you know, I think maybe we can do something on the fourteenth Amendment.
But then he says, yeah, but it'd be challenging court and it'd be a real problem. So he showed some leg on the fourteenth Amendment, but the claim would be laughed at a court. And there's a reason Janet Yellen, Biden's Treasury secretary, was on TV yesterday morning on a Sunday show saying no, no, we can't do that. It is it's the extreme left in the Democrat Party who want the debt ceiling eliminated for all time because they
want to borrow us into oblivion. And let me take another point about even if their argument were right, and it's not, but if their argument were right, that's something about section for the fourteenth Amendment constrained what the president did here. What that would mean is it would mandate that Joe Biden implement prioritization, do what I said. In other words, it would mandate at most what the fourteenth Amendment would say is that when you hit the debt ceiling.
Joe Biden must pay interest on the debt. First, there's nothing in the fourteenth Amendment that says Joe Biden has the ability to fund the IRS and the Department of Labor and every other agency without an appropriation from Congress. The Constitution's absolutely clear. The power of the purse is given to Congress, which means the executive cannot spend money that Congress doesn't appropriate. And so Biden can meet the debt, and so if he does that, his threat of default
goes away. But there is nothing, There is no credible argument. In fact, it's absurd. I haven't even heard anyone bother to make the argument that the fourteenth Amendment would let Biden do what the left really wants, which is spend on the entirety of the federal government in perpetuity, even without Congress acting. That is not the way the Constitution operates, and it has not been the way the Constitution is ever operated in over two centuries of our nation's existence.
Lastly, before we move on to this other big topic with bud Light, if people are listening right now, they say, okay, center, what do I need to do this week?
Do they need? What do they need to be doing.
Do they need to call their centers, their congressmen both, and what should they be asking for?
Look, I think the best solution is support what the House bill. The House Bill is reasonable, It is a good solution. It is not extreme. It is a modest, incremental step that takes makes real progress in reining in that the out of control spending and debt. It is a very reasonable offer. Now, at the end of the day, does anyone think that the House Bill is exactly what we're going to end up with. No, it's going to be a negotiate agreement somewhere between Congress and the White House.
But the White House is gambling that they can just say hell no, jump in a lake and the media will protect them. And so everyone listening to this publuckly speak out, call out the Democrats, call out the White House to stop gambling with our economy and to accept the House's very reasonable offer to rein in spending and start to get our fiscal house in order.
I want to move to another issue, and that is the issue of bud Light. Senator, you had a very interesting thing to say on bud Light on Fox and Friends, talking about the partnership with bud Light with Dylan mulvainey and the idea that this was potentially marketing purposely to young people, kids, those under twenty one, which is something that you're not supposed to do. But if you look at mulvaney and who her target audiences, it's very clear that a significant portion of it is twenty one and
well below twenty one. I would bud Light have wanted to do this. Now, I want to play for everybody what you said a portion of it on Fox and Friends.
Listen.
Now you're also on a member of the Congress Committee and a Commerce committee, I should say, and you want to investigate what bud Light was doing with Dylan mulvaney.
It destroyed a brand that may not recover.
What's your focus, Well, listen, I can't think of a company in modern times that has more alienated its customer base and seem to have so little understanding of who it is that actually drinks bud Light. But this week I sent a letter to the CEO of Anheuser Bush along with Senator Marshall Blackburn, because the CEO of Anheuser Busch is also the CEO or the chairman of the Beer Institute which is the regulatory body, the industry regulatory
body that regulates itself. And one of the rules that beer companies are supposed to follow is they're not supposed to market to kids. Remember the whole Joe mccampbell thing, This is the same thing here. Well, you know what, Dylan mulvaney. A mass percentage of Dylan Mulvaney's audience are kids, and Budweiser was trying, I believe, with this ill fated marketing attempt to target teenagers. If you look at things Dylan mulvaney has online, it's things like Days of Girlhood.
There's another video where Dylan Mulvaneus is singing my name is Eloise and I am six. There's another one where Dylan Molvanius shopping for Barbie dolls. These are clearly things aimed at teenagers and even children younger than teenagers, which violates the rules. And so we're calling on the Beer Institute to investigate the degree to which Anheuser Busch knowingly
was marketing to children in going down this road. Center you never stopped Center, Ted Cruz, thanks so much, appreciated, Senator.
The idea that they are policing themselves in a sense, and would investigate themselves. That just in itself seems like the whole system is rigged that the people that may have done the campaign are the ones that are regulating the campaigns.
Well, it's an unusual circumstance, and it so happens that right now the CEO of Anheuser Busch is also the chairman of the Beer Institute, which is the industry regulatory body. It's a self regulatory body that was agreed to. But one of the things they've agreed to is fairly strict limitations prohibiting marketing to minors that they're supposed to market to adults, people twenty one and over. And you know
I mentioned Joe Campbell. You remember there was a hole they stopped focusing on Joe Cammell in the cigarette contact. The same principle applies to beer that they're not supposed to you know, Barney the Dinosaur should not be marketing beer. That's fairly obvious. The point that I raise, and this is a letter that I sent with Senator Marshall Blackburn, is if you look at Dylan mulvaney and I'm setting aside the transgender issue, which is what's dominated the media attention.
I'm just looking at what Dylan mulvaney, who the audience is, and whether it's on TikTok or Instagram. The audience's overwhelmingly kids. A lot of them are teenagers, a lot of them are teenage girls, a lot of them are prepubescent girls. You know the song that Dylan Melvany sings, I Am Eloise and I Am six. That's not even a nineteen or twenty year old six shopping for barbies. The last I checked, sixteen year olds don't shop for barbies. That's eight, nine,
ten year olds that are shopping for barbies. And what I am pressing on is to what extent did bud Light deliberately market to teenagers and even preteens, And to what extent did they have any data that said, Okay, if we get preteens and teenagers drinking bud Light, they might be a customer for the rest of their lives. And if they did so, that is in direct violation of the rules governing the marketing of beer.
You know there's one also, if you go back, the bud Light VP of Marketing actually not only doubled down on her extreme woke strategy, which was to completely radically change this company. But she mentioned declining cells when she took over and also mentioned young people. I want people to hear this. Now, this was before the mulvaney controversy, but this is the bud Light VP of Marketing in her own words in a interview.
Well, I'm a businesswoman. I had a really clear job to do when I took over bud Light, and it was this brand is in decline. It's been in decline for a really long time. And if we do not attract young drinkers to come and drink this brand, there will be no future for bud Lights.
Young drinkers to drink this brand center.
I mean, that's pretty brazen to say. Again, I'm going to read the transcript, and if we do not attract young drinkers to come and drink this brand, there will be no future or by the light, those are her words.
You know. It's funny, Ben. In the couple of days since I sent this letter calling for this investigation, the left, both Democrats and in particular left wing media outlets have
been losing their mind. MSNBC has been running these pieces saying, you know, Cruise is this radical filled with hate, and none of them actually address the substantive point that beer companies are bound by rules not to market to kids, and none of them are disputing what I think is indisputable is that Dylan mulvaney is engaged in an aggressive
campaign marketing to kids. Those are facts, and those are facts that Look, when it comes to transgender issues, today's left is so extreme that you're not allowed to question anything about it, and so they're reflexively circling the wagons saying, how dare Cruz ask these questions? Well, you know, I've
got a job to do. My job's to represent thirty million Texans, and my job is also as the ranking member on the Commerce Committee, we've got direct jurisdiction over beer companies marketing to kids, and so we're going to press to get to the bottom of it. And I'll tell you this, if bud Light has marketing documents that say have projections of how many teenagers they could get to drink bud Light by marketing to them, that is
going to be a big, big problem. If they deliberately went down this road to do what you just played from the VP of marketing to try to get more young drinkers underage.
Yeah, well, in her words, we got to get young drinkers. That's pretty damning right there. I want to also talk about a Republican and I would say Icon, especially behind the scenes, on individual who's we should take a moment and celebrate his life who has passed away.
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Senator, there is a name.
Some may remember this name, others may not, but nonetheless see Boyden Gray who was a lawyer. He has been in the establishment conservative passed away at the age of eighty. He was What I love about his story is he's a former Democrat. He actually served as White House counsel under George Bush and aided presence including Ronald Reagan and Donald J.
Trump.
He has passed away at what an amazing man. You've spent a lot of time with him. Let's talk a little bit about what he did for this country.
Well, Boyden Gray passed away yesterday. He was eighty years old. He was someone who's a good friend. I knew Boyden very well. He lived a remarkable life. He was born in nineteen forty three in Winston Salem, North Carolina, and he came from a family who had been an extraordinary family. His dad, a fellow named Gordon Gray, was the US National Security Advisor to President Dwight D. Eisenhower. So when it comes to government service, it was a tradition in
the family. His grandfather was president of the RJ. Reynolds Tobacco Company. So Boyden came from considerable wealth. He went to Harvard University in nineteen sixty four. He wrote for the Harvard Crimson and then he enlisted the Marines and he was a sergeant in the Marines from nineteen sixty five to nineteen seventy. He then went to the University of North Carolina Law School and he was editor in chief of the North Carolina Law Review, and he was
first in the class. And from that he became a law clerk to the Chief Justice of the United States, to Earl Warren, which is pretty extraordinary. And he became a very prominent lawyer in private practice at the Wilmer, Cutner, Cutler and Pickering, which is a big d C. Law firm, And then in nineteen eighty one he went to work for the White House as legal counsel for the Vice President,
George Herbert Walker Bush. When Bush became president, he came back and became the White House counsel for Bush forty one, and he was very close to Bush forty one. The two of them played tennis together. They were close friends together. Boyden was someone who he was an unusual guy. He was about six feet six, he was tall, skinny, lanky, and he was brilliant. I mean, he had a mind that was a marvel to behold, and he was passionate
about freedom. He'd been a Democrat, he'd been a law clerk for Earl Warren, but he was in no way, shape and form a liberal. He believed in freedom and especially economic liberty when it came to regulatory reform. I don't know that there's been a more important person in the last fifty years fighting to rein in the regulatory state than Boyden Gray. He was relentless, He was very active with Freedom Works, which played a big part in
electing me. Boyden was also an early supporter of mine, and when I ran for the Senate, Boyden supported me right at the outset. You know, when I first ran in twenty twelve, when we started, I was at two percent in the polls, and we refer to the folks that were with us from day one as the two percenters.
You had to be really out of your mind. Actually, Ben, you were a two percenter, and Boyden was a two percenter, and he hosted fundraisers for me at his home in d C. He backed me early on, and Boyden was brilliant. He was also deeply involved in battles over the Supreme Court when Clarence Thomas. When Bush forty one nominated Clarence Thomas, Boyden was intimately involved in defending Clarence Thomas for the vigorous attack that came after him and getting Thomas through
the Senate. And you know, Boyden was I'll tell you something that actually a lot of people don't know. One of the things Boyden was quite passionate about was people with disabilities. And Boyden played a pivotal role in passing the Americans with Disabilities Act. W Boyden Gray and Dick Thornberg, who was the Attorney General under Bush forty one. The two of them were the leading architects of the Americans
with Disability Act, and Bush forty one signed it. And you know it's interesting, a lot of Democrats pretend, oh, the ADA is their policy. Well, no, it was Republicans who wrote it. It was Republicans who passed it. It was Republicans who made it happen. And I believe the Americans of Disability Act is a very conservative policy. We started
this podcast by talking about the dignity of work. That everyone wants to work, that everyone wants to provide for their own family, and I think people with disabilities that's especially true. Look, if you're blind, if you use a wheelchair,
if you have some other impairment. Look, if you're blind, you probably can't be an airline pilot, but there's a lot of good work you can do if you're you know, if you use a wheelchair, you're probably not going to run track, but there are lots of things you can do, including be the governor of the state of Texas. The ADA was all about empowering people with disabilities to work. To their maximum potential and have their maximum independence. And fast forward to nine nine and two thousand, I was
a young lawyer. I was working on George W. Bush's campaign and was domestic policy advisor and covered all sorts of legal areas, but one of the areas I covered was disability policy, and I worked very closely with both Boyden and Dick Thornberg in drafting what became George W. Bush's disability policy, which was the New Freedom Initiative, which he introduced and passed early in his presidency. And it again made a real difference helping people with disability live
with a maximum independence and engagement in the workforce. All of that is is an incredible legacy. But I'll tell you Ben, actually my favorite memory of Boyden has nothing to do with his impact in life. But Boyden, I've spent time at his house. He had a beautiful house in Georgetown, and one of my favorite memories was being at his house with him and a couple of other folks playing bridge with him. And he was brilliant and fun and smart, and he had a dry sense of humor.
And I'm grateful for the legacy Boyd and Gray left for our country. And both Heidi and I were going to miss him. He was an extraordinary man and an extraordinary patriot.
I love the story and like you said, what a great legacy to leave behind, an incredible work that he has done, and again, a Boyd and Gray lawyer for the Republican establishment. An amazing guy passed away at the age of eighty one, an amazing life he had lived, and an incredible legacy that he's left behind. Don't forget we do this show three days a week, so make sure you hit that subscribe button right now wherever you listen.
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