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BONUS: Daily Review With Clay Travis and Buck Sexton - Jun 03 2025

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Buck Sexton discusses the latest CNN polling data showing Donald Trump's growing strength on the economy and immigration, while also delving into the escalating crisis of antisemitism linked to a recent terror attack in Colorado allegedly committed by an illegal immigrant. He critiques the Biden administration's border policies and the left's framing of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, arguing that lax enforcement has created national security risks. Buck also interviews data guru Ryan Girdusky about shifting middle-class support and the internal struggles within the Democratic party, including insights from a new book on the Biden family's motivations.

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Biden Policies Aided a Terrorist

Buck Sexton leads the hour with sharp commentary and analysis, emphasizing the growing strength of President Donald Trump in national polling across key issues like the economy, immigration, and border security. The segment highlights how recent CNN data reflects a significant shift in public sentiment favoring Trump, much to the dismay of Democrats and liberal media outlets.

 

A major focus of the hour is the escalating crisis of antisemitism in America, particularly in the wake of a targeted firebombing attack in Boulder, Colorado. Buck discusses the ideological roots of this violence, linking it to radical anti-Israel sentiment and the broader rise of pro-Hamas activism on college campuses. He critiques the left’s framing of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, arguing that it is often reduced to a simplistic racial narrative that vilifies Israel and excuses terrorism.

 

Overwhelm the System

 

A deep dive into a recent terrorist attack in Boulder, Colorado, allegedly committed by an illegal immigrant who overstayed a visa. Buck uses this incident to underscore the broader crisis of illegal immigration and the exploitation of the U.S. asylum system.

 

The conversation highlights how the Trump administration has dramatically reduced illegal border crossings—by as much as 99%—compared to the Biden era, which saw millions of illegal entries and “got aways.” Buck emphasizes the critical role of U.S. Border Patrol, debunking left-wing narratives that portray the agency as racist, and instead spotlighting its diverse and veteran-heavy workforce.

 

A significant portion of the hour is dedicated to the ideological battle over antisemitism, particularly on college campuses, where anti-Israel sentiment is rising. Buck draws parallels between the situation in Gaza and Iran, arguing that while innocent civilians are caught in the crossfire, leadership and ideological extremism are to blame for ongoing violence.

 

The show also critiques the Biden administration’s handling of immigration enforcement, asserting that lax policies have created a national security risk and opened the door to terrorist infiltration. Former ICE Director Tom Homan is quoted warning of the long-term consequences of these policies, calling for urgent reforms and a temporary halt to asylum claims.

 

Our Favorite Data Nerd, Ryan Girdusky

 

Polling data reveals that the Republican Party, under President Trump, has closed the gap with Democrats on middle-class support and economic trust. The discussion includes insights from data guru Ryan Girdusky, host of the “Numbers Game” podcast, who argues that Democrats lack a compelling economic message and are losing ground due to internal disarray and weak leadership.

 

Ryan discusses interviewing Alex Thompson about his book with Jake Tapper, which reveals Jill Biden’s influence and the financial motivations behind Joe Biden’s continued political career. Buck discusses the party’s lack of a clear successor and the growing influence of figures like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

 

Elon Knows Gov't is a Mess 

 

Elon Musk's criticism of the congressional spending bill, the state of the economy and inflation, the national debt and entitlement programs. Elon Musk pointed out that Big Government was going to happen no matter what party is in office. DOGE limitations. WH Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt with some positive economic news. The arrest of the family of the Boulder, CO terrorist. Buck's personal health and fitness journey.

 

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Intro / Opening

Speaker 1

Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast.

Speaker 2

Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay is having a great time on vacation. He was in the Bahamas. He's working on his tan. He wears sandals year round, so nothing new there, but he's having a good time. He'll be back with us on Friday. Just meet today, Tomorrow and Thursday. You are riding with the Buckster and we have much to discuss here. Our friend Ryan Graduski will also be with us of the Clay Endbuck podcast Network, talking to him

about the latest data from CNN. It just keeps getting worse for the Libs and the Democrats. The numbers increasingly showing that wherever it is that you pull on any important issue in the country, right now, Trump is much stronger, is doing much better than the Democrats anticipated, hoped for and have tried very hard to from being the overall perception. So we'll get into some of that more on the immigration and border issue. Tom Homan just the guy's just

an all star, you know. It's it's so nice to see and this is true in a number of the senior Trump administration roles. It's just so nice to have people who know exactly what they're doing and are totally in line with the Trump agenda, and they're making moves every day to that end. So I just think that it is critical. And on the border, there may be nothing,

Show Intro and Trump Poll Strength

maybe no issue that is honestly more important. I think the border and the economy are side by side. You know, thanks to Trump, we're not getting involved in any crazy

wars anytime soon. So we shall dive into that. But I did want to take a few moments here to update the story we talked about yesterday about this fire bombing terror attack in Colorado and what this tells us about not only the kinds of ideological hatred that are spreading in this country under this I think often this shield of oh, I'm not anti Jewish or an anti Semitic, I'm just anti Zionist. Well, I don't know a lot

of Zionists who aren't Jews. I think the i'm just anti Zionist or even anti Israel it's doing a lot of work in that sentence. What is it that they really object to? And, as I have pointed out to

you and I will continue to do so. There are many places around the world where there is extreme violence, there is very real oppression, and there are plenty of ways you could argue we should put more pressure on or we should do something now, whether you believe we should or not, as a separate issue, but we could theoretically do more. And yet because it cannot be blamed on the Jewish people, you know the situation in South Sudan, because it is very tough to make that about Zionism.

These individuals who are so upset on college campuses and just on streets in cities across America, they have nothing to say about it. It doesn't even register with them.

Colorado Attack and Rising Anti-Semitism

The realities of Middle East totalitarianism as it pertains to places like Iran, for example, that is not a problem that gets protests in the streets. People who think they care about women's rights on the left have no issue with Iran, at least no issue they're willing to speak about publicly. But endless issues with Israel and endless issues with Gaza. And I think we all see what that's

all about. You'll also notice this, and as I've told you before, this was the first issue of foreign policy that I ever spent real time on it was going on now over twenty years. When I first I worked at the Washington Institute for Neery's Policy. I was an intern for Clinton's Ambassador Dennis Ross, who was Ambassador Ross was the negotiator on the Arab Israeli peace accords under the Clinton administration. Camp David didn't work, but they tried.

I also worked at the Council on Foreign Relations, Council on Form Relations. You know, they got the Builderbergs, the Illuminati. No Council on Foreign Relations. I did work there as an intern, so trust me, I didn't know the secret handshakes or the secret tunnels or any of that stuff. But I worked there on the US Middle East Project,

which was also an Arab Israeli peace project initiative. So I started, as many do my academic background in Middle East studies on this issue of Israel Palestine, and so I do have some institutional memory. I do have some recall, not just of how it is now, but how it has been the last twenty years. And what you see is that there are a lot of people who care not a bit about foreign policy as a general matter, but they care so much about what's going on with Israel,

and you say, well, why is that? Why is Israel the place? And you know we say these things rhetorically. I think we know why, and I think that in the context of America. First of all, there's a tremendous amount of anti Jewish feeling throughout the Muslim world. That is just a reality, that is a truth. You can even think. To the character Borat, I always thought this was fascinating. Remember Ali when Ali G was another one of his characters. Sasha Baron Cohen, who is Jewish. Last

name is Cohen, a common Jewish last name. Sasha Baron Cohen playing the Alig character, playing Borat, and Borat became this big famous movie. Kazakhstan is a Muslim country, and one of the bits that Sasha Baron Cohen would do was constantly kind of satirizing the just blatant anti Semitism

of the supposed Kazakh Borat. Now he got away with this because he never got away with that, and you know, the Left didn't get angry about it because he never mentioned this was a effectively a Muslim character that he was playing. But there's a tremendous amount of anti Semitism throughout the Muslim world, and no serious person would argue otherwise,

or no person who knows what they're talking about. Now, there's a lot of anti Semitism in Europe, and clearly a lot of anti Semitism in America too, but it is worse in the Islamic world by far. And ask any Jew you know who knows anything about these regions, and they'll say, yeah, that is certainly the case. But why is it that this goes to the front of the line. Why is this so important to the American left?

Was as I've discussed here, as I've laid forward, and I know Clay has adopted this to his own thinking as well. This is a white versus brown conflict in the minds of the American left. The Israelis are white, the Palestinians are brown. Therefore, the moral high ground is set and unchangeable in favor of the brown Palestinians. Whatever

they have to do is justified. They are oppressed. They are the ones who are suffering any action, including the most heinous and vicious actions humanly possible or thinkable, which Hamas and affiliated and assorted terrorist groups on behalf of the Palestinians, comprised of Palestinians have engaged in is inherently

justified because they're so oppressed. I've said this before, if October seventh wouldn't turn people against the Palestinian cause such as it is, because the cause is not an independent state. The cause is the eradication of the Jewish state. That is the truth. It is obvious to anyone paying attention who is being honest. But if that won't turn you against the cause, or if there won't be criticism from people after that, there is nothing that will make them

critical of this. There is nothing that will turn them and make them thin that the Palestinians perhaps should look inward and take a different approach. And I think that

couldn't be more clear than it is right now. This is why I remind everyone the so called Glorious Martyrs and the resistance of groups like Hamas stretching back into the Second Intifada in the early two thousands was just a series of suicide bombings meant to bring Israeli life to a halt, to a standstill, to destroy the daily lives of Israelis, and to murder as many Israelis women and children as possible. A moral person, a moral person from any country, from any culture, of any religion or

skin color. A moral person does not go into a crowded restaurant with a suicide vesta on packed with ball bearings, killing himself and everyone else there because they think that somehow this is going to achieve what exactly revenge a state. No one's even what they want, because what they want is the manifestation of and the right to act on deep hatred. And that brings me to Colorado and this individual Egyptian national came to this country claiming he wants asylum.

Think about that for a moment. You know, this reminds me of there's something particularly heinous, and you see this playing out in a number of different very very you know, well known and well made movies about World War Two.

But it was well known and some of those who had you know, veteran, particularly a marine and army dads fighting in World War Two, it was well known that the Japanese, as one of their tactics, would claim that they were wounded and surrender and then they would actually have a grenade, and so they would say, please, please

don't kill me. I'm wounded, I can't fight, and then Urgis would go over because our people were always trying to be humane in the most inhumane circumstances, and they would go and then they would be blown up by this person. And this was common. You see this in a hole, you see this in thin red line, you see this in letters from me, Regima. Somebody who claims asylum in your country is on that same moral plane. They're saying, please, I need to skip the line. I'm

in a desperate situation. I have to get away from my home country. My home country is so awful that if you send me back, I could be tortured and killed. Please, out of the kindness of your heart, take me in. This individual, this terrorist in Colorado, said that he wanted asylum, used our process, use the goodness of the American people,

Asylum Abuse and Terrorist Threat

used our mercy against us and against our Jewish brothers and sisters in Colorado who were burned severely in this attack. And now we even we have more details, we know this was absolutely not just an act of terror, but

a premeditated and particularly vicious one. It is hard to think of something that is more awful than intentionally lighting defenseless people on fire, but that is what Mohammad Suliman, who disguised himself as a gardener in an orange vest so he could get as close as possible to these individuals in Boulder, Colorado. That is what Mohammed Sliman wanted to do. And he believed his actions just not just then,

but after the fact. He believes, because he has set it to law enforcement, that this was vengeance for quote his people, his people, his Egyptian You might say to yourself, what is he talking about? Oh, okay, you mean Muslim, brown, non Jews. That's essentially what he means by his people, or rather the people that he associates with who hate the Jewish people. If you do not understand these hatreds and see how they are, for one side, immovable and

unfortunately central to the society. The hatred of Jews is central to the people of Gaza. Look at their textbooks, their whole initiatives. They have been going on for years to show people what is taught about Jews in the schools such as there are schools in places like Gaza and in the West Bank. And it couldn't be more clear which side of this issue all of us should be on. And yet you have not just radical fringe

elements of the left. You have the Democrat Party itself sympathetic to and making room for this virulent anti Semitism. This is now replaced the kneeling for George Floyd. You have to understand, this is filling that hole in the soul of all of these leftists in America who think that we must always be having some sort of racial reckoning.

I know it isn't reasonable or even logical, but they view the Israelis fighting Hamas as a racial reckoning of white oppression against the non white adversary here, and so this is why they attach themselves to this, they feel. So they don't know anything about the Balfour Declaration, about the Nakbab, about nineteen forty eight, about UN Resolution two four to two, or UN Resolution three three eight, or the nineteen seventy three war, or the I mean, go

down the list. That they don't know anything about the removal of Israelis of settlers from Gaza and the destruction of greenhouses and the destruction of infrastructure and all that

they don't know. They don't All they know is they have been told the Jews, the white people here who are Jews, are the bad people and they are obsessed with the virtue signaling of marching around campus proclaiming to care so much about the oppressed and the dispossessed, and that ideology, unfortunately also inspires and creates far too much room for maniacs like this Molotov cocktail throwing murderer or attempted murderer who thought that lighting defenseless people on fire

was people he had never met before, who had never done anything to him. And here we are now seeing, once again, just like we saw in October seventh, there is a side of evil and the side of decency here, and every American gets to choose the Democrats largely for the most part, not all of them are on the wrong side of this. One spring and summer, or when we get most of the outdoor repair work done on a house on the yard, longer daylight hours, better weather,

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for warranty details. We've been talking about this terrorist attack in Colorado and Boulder. The guy was an illegal, a visa overstay illegal, and I can tell you that in the pre Trump era, I'm pretty familiar with these stats, they would estimate something like a half a million visa overstays a year. That's not even a number that you think of when you're generally considering illegals in the country, right you think of the people that come across the border,

which was about ten million under Biden. We'll call it ten million. I think that's right, eight million officially plus you aut up all the Godaways, nine or ten million is where it is, and we have more people in more ways that they are gaming our immigration system and staying in this country illegally. This is a massive problem.

Last I we're talking about the anti Semitism and the components of the ideology of anti Semitism against well against the Jewish, against the Jewish people, and why so many Americans,

I mean, think about this for a second. A lot of these college kids who take this very anti Israel and very pro pro Palestine or pro Palestinian point of view, and I know there's something deeply unfair about the same way I said this with Iran, I extend the same thing to there are people in Gaza who you know, there are children there, there are people who have no choice, There are people who have no political agency and they're

stuck there and it's unfair. But there are also a lot of adults who are there and aren't doing anything. And then there are a lot of adults who are doing terrible things right, or rather there are adults who could do more to try to bring about something else somehow. There's there's always somebody who will fire a rocket at the Israelis in Gaza. There's not somebody who will, let's just say, try to change up the Hamas leaderships situation,

you know what I mean. Somehow there are plenty of people willing to be you know, brave martyrs so to speak against the Israelis, but they won't do anything to stop the mad men in their midst who are running the country. So but the same thing's true in Iran. Right, if we had to do strikes in Iran for some reason, it wouldn't be the fault of every Iranian. But this war is hell, and war is unfair, and this is reality, and we have to operate within that reality, and you know,

you do the best that you can. We didn't want to be bombing villages in Afghanistan until nine eleven. Quite honestly, we didn't really care very much about Afghanistan. But then they made us care. Well, the Israelis have been made to care more than ever about their own safety and security after October seventh. So there's the immigration part of this. So, so that's the ideological Midias foreign policy part of it. Now, let's look at the the truth of what's going on

here with our border. It's wide open and I'm sorry has been wide open. Of course it's not wide open anymore. Trump has brought the numbers down ninety nine percent, something something unfathomable. I thought Trump would do a good job. And if I'm just being honest with you, I thought we would see a ninety percent something like that. A ninety percent. I didn't think it would be almost zero. And the numbers now, I think they can count in the hundreds on a monthly basis. How many are entering

the country legal. I mean it is. And this freeze up. This is what I have said all along. This is so important. This freeze up the resources at border patrol. And I've spent time with our border patrol guys. You got to you know, and the more people know about border patrol, I think the more respect for those men and women they have. They do a tough job. Something like a third of border patrol or are United States military veterans, maybe twenty five percent are our Latino as well,

Latino Americans. So this notion that you know that that border patrol is in some way a racist enterprise, or that these aren't people that are you know, they're demonized by the left as though they're doing something terrible you know,

Border Crisis and Policy Failure

they're rounding people up and putting them into these camps. They're protecting us. And as we see with with this this terrorist, I know that he's a visa overstay, but okay, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement is supposed to and should have gotten this guy out of the country. Now I know he's he has claimed asylum. I think that we just need to have a shutdown of the asylum process in this country for a while until we figure things out.

That's really where we are, and all pending asylum claims just need to be you know, maybe maybe they come up with some very high threshold for it, but there are and see and I know that's unfair too, right, because there are people who need a place to go, but we're not the only place they can go. The more you dig into this, almost all of the asylum claims that are making their way through our courts are invalidated by one thing alone, and that is that these

people came via Mexico. They're not supposed to pick which country they want to get to for asylum. It's which country they get to first where they can be considered safe. So if we were serious and Trump administration will be but if the Biden administration had any intention of enforcing actual asylum, all right, think about it. If you're fleeing you know, I don't know, you're fleeing oppression in Indonesia as an ethnic minority, and you make your way to Mexico,

you're supposed to say, hey, Mexico, I need asylum. You're not supposed to go, Hey, you know what would be really cool if I can make it to America because they're rich and they have a big fat welfare state. That's not how it is supposed to go. And so all of these people that are saying they claim asylum, they right on its face, we should be able to just say to them, okay, well did you show me your sylum paperwork for Mexico. Wait you didn't. You didn't

try to get asylum Mexico. Why oh, because you want to just jump the line to go to America and you're And then that's not even looking at whether they have a legitimate claim of asylum, which they don't, because there's not one hundred and If one hundred and eighty countries around the world all have asylum seekers all coming to America, it just means that every country, you know

pretty much. You know, we don't have a lot of asylum seekers from Liechtenstein or or you know, Denmark, but we've got a lot of asylum secrets from everywhere else. Tom Homan is pointing out that this has created the Biden administration problem is something that is going to plague this country for years to come, no matter how fast, no matter how efficient the Trump administration border policies are and the and the enforcement mechanisms are, it is just

mathematically impossible to fully handle and turn around. Just what Biden did. Think about that if I said to you, the Trump administration's mandate is to return everybody who came under Biden in those four years illegally, never mind everyone who came before Biden illegally. That's what we'll just we'll put that to the side for a second. That number is probably too much, just logistically too much. I'd like to think that I'm wrong, but I don't think I'm wrong.

Because if we ramped it up and you got to a million deportations a year under Trump, which would be a lot. Let's say you get to a million and these are real deportation people are going to say, but Buck what about in the in the two thousands, or what about in the nineties, and we were deporting. Now, a lot of that was people who were turned away.

The immigration. Illegal immigration, particularly into California in the nineties, was single adult males crossing the border working and then going off and going back and then coming back again seasonally. So yeah, they were breaking our laws, but there were multiple crossings and they were single adult males. Now it's turned into a lot of family units, women, women showing up with children and they plan to stay forever, and

they're from all over the world. What the Obama administration did to make the numbers seem much more robust than they were was, oh, border patrols stopped you and just sent you back to Mexico. That's a deportation, right. That was how we got to the deporter in chief. They changed the way that they So if we got to a million real deportations a year, meaning people picked up from the interior, put on a plane and sent to their country of origin, that would be pretty impressive. Okay,

well that's four million. He got six million to go. Here's Tom Homan. This is cut ten. Just laying this out to everybody. Understands the scale of this problem. Play it.

Speaker 3

We are going to be dealing with this for the next ten years because of the chaos they created in four years. We're out there kicking butt, We're resting a lot of criminal aliens. We're rather looking for the bad guy. And when we're out there doing that, we got protesters assaulting ICE officers. You got members of Congress all of the cut. If you're going to ICE facilities raising hell

saying this is our oversight responsibility? Where were there oversight responsibility when ten point five million I came across the border. Where's the oversight responsibility? I'm releasing over eight million, it'll go to this country. Where's the oversight responsibility? Then this is attack on ICE, this attack on the Trump administration. We're trying to fix the damage done by Biden.

Speaker 2

An attack on the Trump administration and fixing the damage done by Biden. So true, And I just think that we all need to understand it was a choice made by Biden and his team. It was not a failure of policy. It was the enacting of policy. They wanted the illegals in this country. They wanted millions and millions of illegals to pilot the country to overwhelm the system. Rules for radical Slolenski, overwhelm the system, and then once you break it through overwhelming it, you can read make it.

That's what they were trying to do here, and they got very far in that process, and we are playing catch up and then some even this administration as dialed in as they are. But now we look at the what about the fact that we were wide open for terrorist infiltration. We just had an illegal alien terror attack lighting Jewish people on fire in Colorado. We just had one.

We're going to have more. There will be more. If you were a foreign terrorist organization and you just had access to the internet, you would have seen what was going on under Biden and known it is open season for infiltration of the United States. And this is why the got away issue is so problematic. We're so concerning for us because remember under Biden, and I saw this with my own eyes at the border. Many times they were surrendering at the border. It's not oh oh, I

think the coast is clear. I'm gonna make a run for it, and then border patrol is you know, coming after you in the pickup truck and they're running after you on foot, you know, no, no, no, that's only for the godaways, which were a small percentage overall of those who cross. Most people, it was they would show up, they would find a hole in the fence or a gap in the fence, or they'd show up at a port of entry or whatever. They'd say, here I am, I'm claiming asylum. Oh okay, Now we have to put

you through the whole process. Now you get to get released into America. We'll give you a bus ticket, we'll give you food. That o'll thing. So if you know that's the process, why would you make a run for it. You make a run for it if you happen to be in that category of you can't claim asylum because you're gonna come up on that database and they know you're a risk, you're a problem. You're either a convicted murderer and by the way, they were convicted murders who

got in the country anyway. But you know, you're somebody that could get flagged or somebody that didn't want to have any scrutiny on them whatsoever. This is cut eleven. Tom Homan, the guy who I think knows the border better than anybody else on the scene right now, Here's what he says. Play it.

Speaker 3

Why did two million illegal aliens paid more to get away? They could have paid half of what they paid across the board to turn yourselves into boards real agent, get released that same day, get a free airline ticket to the city of their choice, get a free hotel room, get three meals a day, plus free medical care and work authorization. Two million people paid more to get away. They didn't want to be vetted, they didn't want to be fingerprinted. Why there's scares the hell out of me.

I've been doing this for forty years. It should have scared the hell out of every American. What the Biden administration did this two men known god aways scares the hell out of me. So I'm convinced something's coming unless we can find them.

Speaker 2

He's right, and they're tracking them down as fast as they can. But we had it was open season on America for four years of Biden, and now we're trying to play catch up, and the Trump team is doing everything they can. But you could have never imagined that the Democrats would so grotesquely sell out their country and sell out our sovereignty the way they did for all of Biden's time in office. It's intentional. They did this

on purpose, you know. It's just sabotage. It's sabotage. And that's one of the reasons I think so many people have seen that the Democrats are a malignant force. They sabotage this country's border and our security. And we do not know the full consequences yet, and I pray that we never find out. But we have a big problem on our hands. This terrorist, this guy letting people on fire, he's just that's just the beginning. We're gonna get hit again unless the people in charge now are able to

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Do it for Clay, do it for freedom, and get great content while you're there. The Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show YouTube channel. Ryan Griduski joins us now. He is of the Clay and Buck podcast network. It's a numbers game, a great podcast. Some people are saying it's a big, beautiful podcast, certainly worth all of you checking out, breaks down a lot of the data, the numbers, mister Gurdusky. Great to have you with me, sir.

Speaker 4

Thanks for having me on. I'm so excited.

Speaker 2

I wanted to, uh, look, there's I like to just get this out of the way first first and foremost. You know there are some there's some bootleg Gurduskies out there, including CNN's Harry Entid right. I mean it's like he's a he's a fine guy. I think it is okay data analysis, but he's a poor man's Gurdusky. But he did say sim yes, sir.

Speaker 4

Yeah, no, yes, that's one Prue.

Speaker 2

Yes, yes, he's a poor man's Gurdusky. We have we have the we have the original deal, right, We've got the real deal here with Ryan Gerdusky. But he's been saying some stuff about the numbers as it pertains to Trump. Let's start this one with with with CUTT twenty one. Here's CNN's data guy, and then Ryan, I want you to explain what's going on here and what you see play the party.

Speaker 5

That is closest to your economic views and no, remember of twenty twenty three, it was the Republicans by eleven points. Now it's still within that range, still within that margin of our plus eight point advantage for the Republican Party.

Speaker 4

How is that possible?

Speaker 2

Democrats?

Speaker 5

How is that possible after all the recession, because after the stock market's been doing all of this, after all the terrorists that Americans are against, and Republicans still hold an eight point lead on the economy?

Speaker 2

Are you kidding me? I don't think it's that surprising. I just think it's interesting that Democrats have to reckon with this. What do you make of the numbers on Trump support with the economy right now being just as strong as when he got elected?

Speaker 4

Well, I mean, Harry, lets it out, the recession fears, the fear.

Speaker 2

Did we just lose Ryan? He just dropped. He was about to get to all the nuggets of wisdom, and I don't know where he was going with that. We'll take him back here in a second. I don't know. Maybe my comments about Harry Enton somehow have backfired and we are now dealing with the ghost and the machine here that has kicked Ryan off the here. Let me know, we get him back. Guys got to teet him up so well for this he's about to tell us all

about the data. I'm not surprised that Trump is in a better spot or in as strong a spot, because he was in a great spot at the time. What is the Democrat message on the economy other than professing or prophecying that there will be Is it prophesizing or prophecying? Help me out with that one team. You know, if I get this wrong, pronunciation police or maybe they're the lexicon the you know, the the word usage police on this show, Man pronunciation police is rough. They're waiting for

you everywhere. They got pronunciation police on the clan Buck Show. Have speed traps like every two miles. You guys got those mirrored aviators on. I know, I know your type, I know what's going You pull us over the second you can. But I think that the Democrats claims for how things are going to go poorly and then not go and then they don't go poorly are the primary reason that the numbers are where they are because they don't even really have a counter message here. They don't

even have something to say to point out. Okay, Ryan, you are about to share your brilliance with us. Hopefully you have a cell phone that works. Now, let's hear what you've got.

Speaker 4

So, yes, there is what is the What is the democrats economic message? I know, hating Trump has been their political message, but what is their economic message? What are they focused on? Aside from keeping medicare spending and social security? I don't ever hear of it. And also, the voters are against the against their retaliatory efforts of tariffs. The don't want to pay higher prices, that's undersmable, But they are for the message of restoring manufacturing. They were for

the efforts of trying to bring back economic patriotism. So they're not against the overall idea of it. They just don't want to pay higher prices. But higher prices didn't come. So of course Trump's numbers are not that bad. And also, and I think this is a very big point of why Trump's whole numbers are so high. Right now, no one is talking about Trump and the media what are

Data on Economy and Democrats

they talking about. They're talking about Biden still, they're talking about his mental health. They're talking about what Democrats bled about. So the Republicans are still getting dividends from the bad governance and the lies of the Democratic Party over Biden's administration. That does matter, And they don't have an alternative. They don't they don't have a leader. They have nothing, I mean, AOC running around whether and Gavin Newsom with his podcast,

and you know what else is there. So I think that they have a lot of problems as far as just what is their message. I don't know what they'll turn it is.

Speaker 2

Now we'll get into because you you sat down with or did an interview right with Alex Thompson and Tapper or just Alex Thompson.

Speaker 4

Just Alex Thompson.

Speaker 2

Yeah, oh okay, I actually that actually I would have been more amenable to myself than having to, you know, listen to Tapper's nonsense. But we'll get to that in a second. First, that is more of of poor Man's Gardusky Harry Enton talking about who looks out? I mean, because this is if you're a Democrat and you've bought into the Democrat messaging for a long time, uh or maybe you've been a purveyor of the Democrat messaging. Their whole thing is this make believe that they're the ones

that care about the middle class. Here's the latest on the numbers. When it comes to middle class and looking out for them. This is cut twenty play it which.

Speaker 5

Is the party of the middle class, has been a huge advantage for Democrats. I have rolling from NBC going all the way back since nineteen eighty nine when Democrats had a twenty three point advantage, twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2

Seventeen point advantage.

Speaker 5

But by this decade we already started seeing declines. Back in twenty twenty two we saw that Democrats led, but only by four points, well within the margin of error. And now in our latest CNM pull among registered voters.

Speaker 2

Which is the party of the middle class, it is tied.

Speaker 5

This I think speaks to Democratic ills more than anything else. They have traditionally been the party of the middle class.

Speaker 6

No more.

Speaker 5

Donald Trump and the Republican Party have taken that mantle away and now a key advantage for Democrats historically has gone Audios amigos, and now there is no party that is the party of the middle class.

Speaker 2

Republicans have completely closed the gap. Ryan, What do you make of that, because that's got to be you know, given the election they just had the fact that they've also got to contend with this in a broader messaging. Since rough days for the Democrats.

Speaker 4

Yeah, they're having this and they're going through it, and they but they're very publicly admitting that they're going through it. Right now, they can admit to the fact that they lied that Biden's health was so bad they can't find a leader, and their only messages I hate Donald Trump and maybe that'll get be enough to win them back to the House. But over all, that long term vision there is none.

Speaker 2

It's it's remarkable that this is the situation they find themselves in and that they've had so little introspection. I mean, they still have things like Gavin Newsom's California, pretending that having a guy beat all the girls in the state champion track meet that this is not like this makes their party look crazy that they can keep pretending otherwise.

But to eighty percent of the country, even people that vote Democrat, eighty percent of the country look at some guy who now wants to be called ab who's beating all these girls in a track meet and says there's something wrong with these Democrats. And to that end, though, also on the Biden stuff and the lot so you you talked to Alex Thompson, who has got this book out now and you know we've talked about you know, Tapper, particularly with it. By the way, I think that it

should have been Thompson solo. I would have been far more open.

Speaker 4

This is what I think. And he didn't say this, but this is what I think when you read a book and you don't have a big name. When I wrote my I wrote my book, I had like no social media following, and they said to me, if you can get someone with the name, will publish your book. That's what they but the publishers told me when I wrote my book. I think the same thing probably happened Alex Thompson. I think that he was told, if you can get a name, will publish your book.

Speaker 2

And I mean he shouldn't. He should have gone with Wolf Blitzer or somebody who's considered a little bit more of a neutral. Well, nobody would think that Wolf Blitzer wrote a word of it. I don't know if they think Jake Tapper wrote a word of it either, but definitely not Blitzer. You know that guy. He looks about as confused as Biden sometimes just being honest.

Speaker 4

But he's been going for forty years on air, so I mean he's done his time.

Speaker 2

Yeah, he's done his time for sure. But okay, so you sat down with Thompson, this book Original Sin that's out there. What did you gather from it that was interesting? Like we already know, yes, they all like you know, they missed all this stuff about Biden. What was insightful? And anyone wants to hear the interview, it's on the It's a numbers game Clay and Buck podcast network. Go subscribe to Clay and Buck Show and it'll be right

in your feed. But Ryan, what did you what did you learn from it that was interesting or what'd you get into that was worth talking about.

Speaker 4

Well, one, the fact that missus Biden, Jill Biden was I did not know that she was a school teacher, a professor the entire time she was Second Lady of the United States. She taught at a community college. And apparently she hated being a politician spouse, which is not unoriginal because a lot of people hate being politician spouses.

But the fact that she went from doing that to being one of the most powerful second first Ladies in American history and essentially running large portions and being the one who said, no, Joe, you can't drop out. Her transformation I think is fascinating. I asked them specifically about how much it went into why, how much it was considered the fact that the Biden family needed Joe, and I put the idea up there was both had Bo lived, which is always the essential question of the Biden legacy

in the Biden family, Have Bo lived? Was he supposed to be the politician to grant them access so that they continue to live with a lot of economic you know, flourishment and millions of dollars coming in, because that's how that entire family makes money, it's political connections. Did Joe have to do this because he needed to bring money in? And apparently now there's reporting that the Bidens are basically broke, that they that they want Joe out there more because

they need a way to make money. They can't do it, you know, I don't know think other ways. So was that the entire premise of why Joe had to run From the family's perspective is they needed millions to come in every year. They didn't want a Clinton Foundation situation where all of a sudden, all the money's just gone and dried up and they have to pay for everyone because they pay for the grandkids. They pay for the cousins, the brothers. Everyone lives off the Biden teeth. So that

was a big, big part of it. Also with the book, the people who even after the debate had come out and said no, Biden's our ticket. John Fetterman screamed at every Democratic send They had a big meeting with Democratic senators and they said who is still with Biden? Every one but three said no, and Fetterman got up and started screaming and saying, how fing dare you betray our great president like this? And he was the only one in the room still defending Joe Biden, even with the

poll numbers bad, even with everything. So that that was fascinating, which alliances remained close to Joe long afterwards.

Speaker 2

Now, I mean I have to first of all, Ryan, that is really interesting and I hadn't heard that, and that's that's something that should should certainly be better known. Fetterman has been getting a lot of credit because of the stuff he says on Israel from people on the right, And I mean, I don't know how to say this.

Do you think Fetterman just took a person that people were saying the guy's brain didn't work because of his own stuff, or why would Fetterman and so it was he just took that personally.

Speaker 4

Yes, I think that that's I think that's exactly what it was. I think Fetterman said, you know, if you were to judge everybody by how their brain operates, allegedly, then I wouldn't be here. But to be the most vocal and curse out your I mean, he cursed out Chuck Schumer, he cursed out everybody that you betrayed him, that you betrayed Joe Biden. And he was the only one in the arm. He stood by himself, so I give him credit for that. But it was an explosive scene.

So he talked to Alex Thompson about that, which I thought was fascinating. How he was the sole voice to stand with Biden when they said, hey, you're going to lose New Jersey, Fetterman said, we ride with him till the very end. Uh, and everyone else at that point was trying to, you know, get him to drop out. So that was really interesting. I think it's fascinating that right now Joe Biden's team is still leaking information. Before this came out yesterday, before the debate, Biden had a

one point five percent lead in Minnesota and Virginia. That was before the debate. Had Biden been on the ticket, it would have been, you know, not nineteen eighty four landslide,

Biden Book, Party Ails, AI

but nineteen eighty eight landslide. It would have been a serious contention where New York and Illinois would have been in close single digits and New Jersey would have just been gone. So don't I don't I think that right now they're rather than looking for a leader, looking for a mess, looking for something, they're still kind of sent there and blaming each other and who gets to inherit the throne of a dead party. That's fascinating. But I

will say one thing. I think if they did a poll, they did a study Democrats and what is the message going forward to Ezra Klein has this stupid book out about abundance and all this stuss but didn't respond at all. Voters didn't care. They still want a populus message. I think if I was advising a Democrat, what they would be doing. There's big, the big, beautiful bill that's coming out.

There is a provision in it that forbid states to sit there and enforce AI technology, any any enforcement AI reforms, any AI development, anything I prevent states from even doing an act think any of that or any protections from AI. That's what they should be jumping on right now, because

that's where the fears are. That's my next episode of the podcast comes on Thursday on A Numbers Game is about the genuine fears of AI in job lock and the populist backlash that will be as severe, if not more severe, than immigration itself.

Speaker 2

That's really interesting. Go check out. It's a numbers Game on the Acclaim buck podcast network. Ryan Gerdusky is the host. Ryan. Before I let you go quick one kind of a lightning round question here, who's the most powerful democrat in America?

Speaker 6

Right now?

Speaker 4

AOC and Bernie sand Bernie Sanders number one, and then AOC is number two.

Speaker 2

Wow, Bernie Sanders for sure? All right? Ryan Gerdusky, always insightful. Good to have you on, my friend, Thank.

Speaker 4

You, thank you bye.

Speaker 2

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c K got a ton of calls. I knew that last segment would get some of you fired up, so you know, you know, sometimes I gotta poke you a little bit. Sometimes the Buckster just has to be like, you know what, we're getting a little too chummy around you. I want to fight. That's what happens with Ginger. Sometimes she's so cute. I miss her. She's with She's at a doggy camp today because we're traveling, but it's a lovely camp. She's like playing with golden retrievers and pugs.

It's very nice. She has a good time. When we go to pick her up, she's like, I don't even know who you are anymore, but she comes over and she gets all like nice and snugly, and then she kind of looks at me and I'm like, oh, oh, it's on. And then she wants to know, and she wants to like jump all over me and like that. So sometimes you know, you get a little chummy. You got to throw it down a little bit. So some of you are a little frustrated over the comments on

how to fix the debt. I'm just telling you the numbers. I don't even have much of a dog in this fight, so to speak. Well, I do because America and I don't want it to collapse. But it's going to be a while before I'm getting Medicare or social Security, and I know we're going to have to go over some of these things. Like, No, it doesn't mean people don't

get Medicare who are in Medicare now. No, it doesn't mean that if you're supposed to get social Security, you know, starting in five years, that all of a sudden you're going to get like a fraction of it means that, you know, if you're a prime working age now, we could start to set up different programs and we could start to prepare people for means testing and you know, and change, Like, there are ways to fix this thing that don't hurt people who were promised and paid in

good faith and are on it or about to be on it. But if you're twenty five. It's not going to work for you to say, oh, well, from age sixty five to one hundred, because that's how long people are going to start to live. By the way, I'm just gonna get paid this or I'm gonna have everything paid by the guard. It's gonna have to change at some point, So I just I want to be clear. You know, my dad's you know, he gets social security, right,

he deserves it. No one's touching anyone's social Security that's getting it now. No one's touching anyone's medicare is getting it now. The change would come over a ten year horizon, a budget set in place now that makes some of the switches necessary to allow us to be on a sound fiscal foot, or just don't we just let's just you know, Thelmon, Louise Baby, let's hit the accelerator and let's just take this guy off a cliff. Let's just go,

you know what I mean. We'll hold each other's hands, we'll look at each other, and we'll just take this thing off the cliff together. It was fun while it lasted. America, Uh, Jay and Ohio, here we go six months from turning sixty five. What's going on, Jay.

Speaker 7

Well, yeah, you don't have to poke me. The government's doing that well enough already. I yes, I'm months away from being forced onto Medicare and I don't want to. I want to take care of it myself. But I am I am not allowed. If I don't, you know, a role for Medicare, they'll penalize me anyway. What kind of a perverse system is that? So you know, mister President, mister vice president, if you're listening, this grow our way out of out of the debt isn't going to happen.

It's about force. And the other thing is the insurance industry, and I'm wired about this. The insurance industry loves the concept of Medicare because they can offload all the old schmucks like me and the government will take care of us, quote unquote. It's all about force. I don't have any freedom. I want the freedom to not enroll in Medicare, and I don't have that at this point. And it's infuriating.

Speaker 3

Jay.

Speaker 2

You're spot on and in an excellent call, and you're seeing this with clear eyes, full hearts. Can't lose And thank you for thank you for the call, Thanks for being Look, it's a mess. Everybody, it's a mess. Elon knows it's a mess. All he does is look at balance sheets and look at you know, projections based on numbers into the future and figure out how to fix things. And he told us we got to fix this, and

we're not fixing it. And he just said that, and he said the people that are voting for the should be ashamed. Ashamed on the Republican side. Just is what Elon's saying. So he's a smart guy. I think that's putting it mildly. Michael in Oswego, New York.

Speaker 8

What's going on, Mike, Hi about second time caller?

Speaker 2

Apparently you had found the first time, so that's good news.

Speaker 8

I sure did. I listened to you guys every day.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 8

Anyway, I want. I was calling to jump back to the segment about income taxes, and I told the guy that I first talked to. I said, you know, well, anyway, my mother and father were both teachers, you know, high school and junior high. Sure, so I mean when I needed help with my homework and that. You know, my mother was a specialist in history. She's still after she retired,

so I got a lot of that. But to my memory, didn't FDR institute income taxes at the time that World War two with the US was imminent or we had already gone into the war and they've to get more money to hire people and build the bombs and all that in the planes. And it was never supposed to be a permanent thing. Now that's what I remember reading in history. Now I don't know if that's true. I mean, you're making that.

Speaker 2

Well, the first income tax was actually back in It was the Revenue Act of eighteen sixty one to fund the Civil War. So it is wars. So if you're thinking about it in this context, it was wars that got us to or a major war that got us to a tax in the first place. But the federal income tax then kind of disappeared. It comes back in eighteen ninety four with the Wilson Tariff Act two percent tax on incomes over four thousand dollars. But the modern

federal incomes is the Sixteenth Amendment nineteen thirteen. So the history of taxation, I mean, I think what you're raising here is interesting, Michael, Thank you for calling in the history of taxation is one of your fits and starts, or you know, two steps forward one step back. But once they got us with the sixteenth Amendment, then that was rough. That was rough. That was when the bad things started. That was when the bad stuff with the taxes started to happen. I mean, you know, it bums

me out. I'll tell you this. Now that I live in a zero state income tax place, it's just unthinkable to go back to one of these super high tax dates like New York or California, because you're just you're paying so much more of the money you work for and getting nothing. Additionally, you're getting nothing. In fact, I would argue that the services that I get in South Florida from you know, on a whole range of things, is better than what I was getting in New York City.

And so with that, you say, well, why am I

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paying more? Just because Democrats have bad ideas and they're in charge, and so they just take more of your money. I wish that the notion that we have all these states where you have state income tax, some of which tax you by the day. I always have this thing where I tell people this, I think Utah is one of them. By Utah, what is going on with you? Utah? A lot of great stuff about Utah beautiful state, lovely people.

But I think you get taxed by the day you work there, because I think I had to pay like, you know, fifty dollars to the state of Utah once and had to have like a little you guys, would we have a huge auditing in the Salt Lake City,

you know what I'm talking about. I think that definitely New York per day you are taxed in New York City if you work, right, if you're there with your family over a week and on vacation of course you know no, but if you're there and you know, you flying to New York and you do work out of your New York office or something, they can tax you for that day and every day that you're there. So you just feel like, all right, well that's pretty annoying.

You don't want more of that. Jack in Ohio wants the way and what's going on?

Speaker 6

Jack? Hey, happy anniversary a week ahead of time? Real quick? Just want to talk about.

Speaker 2

Like what the you mean to Clay and Buck anniversary, right, because like the Carry and Buck anniversary of getting married was back in February. Just making sure I'm like, I have to get my wife a gift?

Speaker 6

Uhh, No, not again if you want to stay in good graces. Yeah, my major concern okay. And Carolyn love Itt just even announced it, you know, on a clip that you just played where she was talking about what Trump inherited okay from the Biden Harris regime. Okay. My point is Biden and Harris and Majorca okay, who caused a great problem with the immigration okay, are not running

for office. Yes, we need to hang this on them. Okay. However, there are two hundred and sixty Democrats okay in Congress right now, and I can't remember hearing any one of them, maybe except Federman talking about the problem okay, immigration. And I'm looking at the midterms okay, that's right around the corner, and I would like to hear the media talk about all of the Democrats who've been sitting on their hands and they're going to be up for reelection, and let's

not forget them. Biden and Harris they're not running again. So and you even have the down ticket okay, which goes to state and local. So I would like to hear more about all the Democrats. We have somebody here in our office okay, in Ohio or she's been in office forty years as a congresswoman, and she votes ninety five percent of the time right along with the ticket.

Speaker 2

Okay, a few things, thank you Jack, Thank you Jack, and Ohio. A couple of things on what you're saying. One is you'll be a lot more talk about this as we get closer to the midterms. So this is you're right now calling in at the the absolute low

point I think of political midterm conversation. June after a presidential election is when you're gonna hear probably the least well, I mean, right after an election maybe, but I'm just there's so much talk about politics in general that'll be going on, and all the thinking about the last election. But as we get into certainly the beginning of next year and then into next summer, you're gonna have a lot of talk about all and we're gonna be talking

about them on this show. So that's part one. Part two is the reason the Biden revelations matter is that it goes to one the fact that more people than ever should wake up to the fact that the media is the corporate Democrat media lies and has no integrity whatsoever, That CNN as an entity has no integrity, The people who call themselves journalists are not journalists. They are propagandists.

And I know that you all know that, but we need not fifty one percent, but fifty four percent of the country to know that, and maybe fifty seven percent of the country. Now you know this is this is why I think it does matter. Because they've relied on a media industrial complex for a long time to do their heavy lifting for them as Democrats, and we want to make that harder. And they all lied about Biden and we caught them and we know and now they're

trying to wriggle out of any kind of accountability. So I don't think it's just a kind of like a parlor game here that we on the right are playing. I think there is real meaning to it, and also just shows you how ruthless the Democrats are. I mean, you should all know every day there was there was a right choice in a wrong choice in this last election, and if you voted for Trump, you made the right choice. That's it. That's it. You know, there's no there's no

other way around it, you know. I view that as as clear as day. Let's take here we go. Gg Dave from North Carolina listens on WPTI play.

Speaker 9

It please well, but to Day from North Carolina, retired Navy on turnament seventy, limited income, You guys get rid of Medicare, social security thing that I have to support me for my last ten years. What the hell am I supposed to do if you change the system? Nobody has an answer.

Speaker 2

Well, well, Dave, the way the answer is you don't change it for people who are on it right now. That would be wrong, that would be unfair. You made your plans, and you paid your taxes, and you did your planning with the belief that it would be there for you. That is a covenant that the state so to the big s state right that the government has made with you. You're not going to you know, that's not what anybody who talks about reforming the system in a

serious way. But see what they hope and this Democrats will do is that they want they want the reaction from Dave. Oh they're going to take away your social security. Oh they're going to take away your Medicare. Now vote in the communists, you know. No, it's not about taking it away from people who have it now. It's about looking back with the numbers in front of you, where can we begin to create changes here in off ramps so that people have plenty of time and plenty of

notice for their financial future. That you know, there's going to be means testing for Medicare. If you're you know, a very wealthy person, you're not going to get medicare, or you'll get some you know, different level of medicare. There's going to be a raise in the retirement age. That's not fair if you're sixty four. But if you're my age and you're told, you know what, you're gonna

you're not gonna retire sixty five, You're gonna retire sixty seven. Uh, you know, that's something that's something that I think my generation should just say, you know what, we're going to live longer than the generation before us on average, so I think it's fair that we actually start a little later in retirement, you know, a year or two. These

are the things that we're talking about. But see, it upsets people and they don't want to hear it, and they get told the fear mongering, and so all right, look we go full thumb on, Louise. We're into convertible. Let's take it off the cliff. Let's spend ourselves into a big fireball at the bottom, you know, and let AOC and Bernie Sanders stare at us over the cliff. Look now we're in charge. What are you gonna do about that? It's not gonna be good. Father's Day is

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