Welcoming as verdict was Senator Ted Cruz ben Ferguson with you. Nice to have you with us today, and Senator We've got a lot to talk about, including leaks coming from the Democrats, classify leagues to try to give them cover on China and the balloons. We'll talk about that. We also have talked about an insane federal budget and a bunch of wokeness in it. But before we get to that,
this is gonna be something right up your wheelhouse. Stanford Law decided it would be a good idea to bring in a judge, a federal judge, to lecture, to talk, to educate, to inform students. It didn't go very well for the Fifth Circuit Judge Kyle Duncan, who was basically shouted down. Obviously, this was pre organized and pre plan
to make it where the man virtually couldn't speak. Is this part of the problem we have now in America that no one that has a different perspective with these woke lefties can get anything, even a normal debate anymore. It absolutely is. What happened this week at Stanford Law School was remarkable. A federal judge, a federal Court of Appeals judge in the Fifth Circuit, Judge Kyle Duncan was
invited by the Federalist Society chapter at Stanford to come speak. Now, Kyle Duncan as a judge who was appointed by Donald Trump, who was confirmed by the Senate. He's been sitting for several years now in the Fifth Circuit. It's not uncommon for judges to go speak at law schools. That happens all the time. What happened this week at Stanford is extraordinarily uncommon. In fact, I don't know of it ever
happening to another judge in history. Which is, when Judge Duncan came and had prepared remarks, a group of Stanford law students began screaming, began heckling, began shouting him down, began cursing, began literally every word or two that he said, screaming and stopping the other Stanford law students from hearing what Judge Duncan had to say. And unfortunately it got worse.
You had law students who are shouting down a federal judge, and then an administrator showed up, an administrator named Tyn Steinbach, who is the school's diversity dean. So she is in charge of d EI and she shows up, and Stanford Law School claims to have a free speech policy. They claim to have a policy that you can't silence a speaker just because you disagree with him. So with the arrival of the dean, you would think that the dean
would enforce the school's policies. Well that's not what happened, not even close. In fact, even the judge had this to say, after the heckling would not stop, and she comes in the room and then she decides she wants to basically give a speech. And even before he could get back to what he was there to do, he made the obvious point, which was this, okay, so you've invited me to speak here and being hackled NonStop, and I'm just asking for administrator. Now you can hear it there.
He's like, let me get this straight. You asked me to come here to speak. I'm being hackled NonStop. You're the one that's supposed to be basically putting law and order back into this lecture, back into this classroom that's supposed to be at a higher level and law school, and now you're here basically wanting to give a speech to me. Well, he didn't know that at that moment. And when she comes in, and there's video of this that's online too, so you can watch this whole thing transpire.
But when she comes in, he doesn't know that she's an administrator. He doesn't know that she's a dean, much less the d EI dean. But she comes in and the mob scream she's an administrator. And what happens next is is remarkable because it turned out she had a written speech not to the students to tell them shut up and us into the judge or leave, which is what an administrator should have done, but rather she proceeded to lecture and denounce the judge herself as the administrator,
as the dean. And and this too is remarkable. She went on for about six minutes. Let's play about half of what she said, because it's really it's it's it takes your breath away. I have to write something down and I'm so uncomfortable up here, and I don't say that for sympathy. I just say I'm deeply, deeply uncomfortable. Um, I'm uncomfortable because this event is tearing at the fabric of this community that I care about, and I'm here
and the support. And I don't know, and I have to ask myself, and I'm not a cynic to ass this is the juice worth the squeeze. So for many work here, who's studying here and who live here, your advocacy, your opinions from the bench land absolute disenfranchisement of their rights. But death lands and it impacts directly. They're people, humans, their families and their communities. And I'm uncomfortable and it's
uncomfortable to say this to you as a person. It's uncomfortable to say that for many people here your work has caused harm, has has caused harm, and I know that must be uncomfortable to here. I know that must be Let me please finish, and I want to give
you space to finish your remarks due Judge Duncan. I'm also uncomfortable because many of the people in the room here I have come to care for um and in my role at this university, my job is to create a space of belonging for all people in this institution. And that is hard and bessy and not And the answers are not black or white, or right or wrong.
This is actually part of the creation of belonging, and it doesn't feel comfortable, and it doesn't always feel safe, but there are always places of safety, and there's always an intention from this administration to make sure you all can be in a safe where you feel fully you can be here learn growing to the amazing advocates and lawyers and leaders that you're going to be. I'm also uncomfortable because it is my job to say you are
invited into this space. You are absolutely welcome in this space and this space that people learn and again live. I really do wholeheartedly welcome you because me and many people in this administration do absolutely believe in pree speech.
We believe that it isn't necessary. We believe that the way to address speech that feels a borrent, that feels harmful, that literally denies the humanity of people, that one way to do that is with more speech and less and not to shut you down or censor you, or censor the student group that invited you here. That is hard, that is uncomfortable, and that is a policy and a principle that I think is worthy of defending even in
this time. Even in this time, and again I still ask, is the Jews with the sweets I mean the division that is je something so incredible important to say about Twitter and guns and COVID that that is worth this impact on the division of these people who are set next to each other for years, who are going through what is the battle of law school together, so that they can go on into the world and be advocates. So they can go out into the world and be
advocate center. I mean, she clearly pre planned this and knew what she was going to do, which was in essence tell off a federal judge. Well, there's so many things wrong with this that that it's difficult to know where to begin. But maybe the where to begin is where she ends, so they can go out into the world to be advocates. Noticed she didn't say attorneys. This is Stanford Law School. They are trying to train social justice warriors. They're trying to train Occupy Wall Street, burn
it all down, left wing radicals. They're trying to train Antifa. They're not trying to train lawyers. Their attorneys present arguments in front of judges. I have in my entire life, I've been a lawyer roughly half my life. I have never seen a federal judge on the left or right treated like that. Ever, the idea that at Stanford Law law students would think it's appropriate to scream and yell
and heckel. Can you imagine how people would react if Sonia Sotomayor went to a law school and a bunch of right wing law students began screaming and yelling and cursing. People would lose their minds quite rightly, because that's not how a lawyer is trained to deal with a judge. If you did that in a courtroom, you would be put in handcuffs, you would be held in contempt of court, and you would be sent to jail. That's actually how our justice system works. You don't get to scream and
yell at a federal judge in a courtroom. For law students to do it on the faculty is disgraceful, and by the way, it also the entire week. It was preceded by a concerted effort. So when the judge was invited, left wing activists put all over Stanford Law School flyers with the names and pictures of the students on the board of the Federalist Society at Stanford, along with the words you should be ashamed, with ashamed and bright red
sort of Halloween looking dripping letters. This is deliberately targeting those students. This is threatening those students. This is using threats of force. This is if it happened on the other foot, if a conservative put up a list with pictures and names of nine liberal students and said you should be ashamed for advocating for whatever left wing cause you're advocating, I guarantee you the law school would discipline, if not expel, any students who did that. And to
see this happening to a judge is astonishing. You mentioned that this group that was bringing them in is a group that a lot of people may have heard of. They don't necessarily know what they do, and a lot of Americans obviously have not gone to law school. I want you to kind of explain the Federal Society. I want you to explain how law school works with speakers that come in. Before I get that, I want to tell you real quick about our friends that guests the
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Precious Medals dot Com center. You mentioned this group. Tell a little bit of background on the group and how law school works. Bringing in judges and bringing in famous lawyers is a part of law school. Bring in speakers is a part of law school. That's very normal. Has been going on for decades and decades and decades. So the Federalist Society is a group that was formed in nineteen eighty two, so it's forty one years old, and it was formed by a group of students from Yale
and Harvard and University of Chicago Law school. And it was formed with the idea of challenging the left wing orthodoxy that was the prevailing view of the faculty and many of the students in law schools. And it was initially formed by students and some law professors. And some of the early mentors and founding figure of the Federalist Society include Justice Antonin Scalia and Judge Robert Bourke. The
Federalist Society now has chapters all over the country. It has chapters at more than two hundred law schools, and its lawyers division has more than seventy thousand practicing lawyers all over the country. And so in law schools. They regularly host events. They host a national conference for law students, the Lawyers Conventions, they're in cities all across the country. They regularly host events as well. They bring in speakers,
they have debates. There's also every year a National Lawyers Convention in Washington, that is that thousands of conservative and liberty or and or libertarian lawyers come to I've been a member of the Federalist Society for thirty one years. I joined when I was a one l in law school in nineteen ninety two, so it was just ten years old at the time, and I've been to dozens of national conventions. One of the things that's interesting about
the Federalist Society is they often have debates. They invite lots of liberals. Liberals attend, liberal law professors attend, liberal judges attend. I've seen many left wing judges. I've seen Antonin Scalia and Steve Bryer debate at a Federalist Society convention. And you know what happens at a federalst Society convention. I've never seen a crowd of either law students or lawyers treat a liberal judge disrespectfully. I've never. I've never
seen it. I can't imagine that it would happen. The left has tried to make the Federalist Society a badge of shame. In fact, you'll see in the Senate Judiciary Committee when a judge is nominated that Democrats will last, are you a member of the Federalist Society? And they treat it like you know, it's very Joe McCarthy, are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party. I frequently go back and forth with Sheldon Whitehouse, one of the liberals on the Judiciary Committee,
about the Federalist Society. But in this instance, the behavior of the left wing activists was shameful at the outset, attacking the students in the Federalist Society, trying to make them pariahs, trying to shame them, trying to trying to force them to cancel the event, and they were pushing for them to cancel. Do not bring this judge to campus. I'll tell you. I've spoken that many Federalist Society events across the country at left wing universities, and this pattern
has been growing. Look, we saw about a year ago something similar happened at Yale Law School. There was a lawyer, Kristen Wagoner, who came to speak and came to speak about a religious liberty case that she'd argued at the US Supreme Court and that she'd won and she'd prevailed, and she was talking about that case, and the same sort of things happened, which is a group of left wing students yelled, screen harassed, and shut down the speech,
prevented her from speaking. It was shameful for Yale. It also similarly happened at University of California Hastings when a libertarian law professor named Ilios Shapiro Elio as a friend of mine, a terrific law professor. Again, left wing activists screamed and yelled and shut down his speech. So they've done this before to lawyers and professors, to my knowledge, they've never done it before to a judge. And there are lots of questions that this raises, one of which
is what's Stanford going to do about it? Now? The president at Stanford, the dean of the law school have already apologized in writing, They apologized to Judge Duncan, they apologized publicly. That was the right thing to do. I'm glad they apologize. That's that's more than many institutions do. But the obvious question is what consequences are the students going to face. Look, we know who those students were. They're videos of them. Any student that is shouting down
a federal judge. And by the way, they weren't just just shouting down, they were yelling profane and explicit language to the judge in including one man, a gay man, who described in profane terms that he had sexual relations with other men, and he said, I know where the prostate is, and and he demands of the judge why he can't find a particular part of a woman's genitalia, Like what the hell? Yeah, welcome, welcome to diversity at law school in Stanford, one of the top ones in
the country. And this is a law student screaming profane expletives at a sitting Federal Court of Appeals judge. As far as I'm concerned, every student there who engaged in this conduct should face discipline, nary action. And the big question is what's going to happen to this dean. And I guarantee if Stanford's going to say, well, we apologized, look this dean, what she did was premeditated. Stanford claims to have a free speech policy. Not only did she
not enforce the policy, she effectively joined the mob. Her speech was disgraceful as well. And I got to say the whole you know you are causing pain, and I feel, I know it feels uncomfortable to hear me say this. It's the entire lingo of the left where they sound like like a combination of mister Rogers and a therapist, and they're just like, oh, oh, I'm so sensitive and my feelings are hurt. And then I got to say, my head explodes when I see all these lefties snapping.
That's the way so many left wing activists like to like to applaud on campus as they go. And it's and they also hissed like snakes that when they don't like something, they when they like it, they snap. And let me say, right now, this dean should be fired. If it is not a firing offense for a dean of a law school to side with students who are attacking, insulting, cursing at a federal judge, to side with the mob against the a federal judge against an invited speaker, then
I don't know what would be a fireable offense. But I'm going to predict right now, Stanford won't firer because DI diversity, equity, and inclusion is more important to them than the actual mission of training lawyers. And I'll tell you this, Stanford's going to have an interesting question because every one of those law students, presumably when they graduate, is going to take the bar, and the state bar is going to have to assess the student's character and
fitness to practice law. And I got to tell you, if if you're sitting on a state bar and you're seeing that as a law student, this person screen and yells and curses at federal judges, I don't know a whole lot of state bars that would say you have the character and fitness to be an attorney, You have the character and fitness to appear in federal court in front of a federal judge when you don't have the decency to actually behave like a lawyer and engage in
a respectful conversation. You can ask carsh questions, you can disagree with the judge's opinion, but screaming and cursing and yelling and trying to deny your fellow students the right to hear a speaker they came to hear that is not remotely consistent with the obligations of being a member of the bar. You said something earlier, at the very beginning, and you said, it's clear that Stanford and the way that the Dean talked about this is they're basically trying
not to graduate lawyers, they're trying to graduate activists. And you can connect this directly to what's happening right now in Washington with the Biden budget. It's an activist budget. You don't have to take my word for it or your word for it, Senator. It's in the budget. The words the activists, woke words are in the budget. Before we go through that, I want to tell people about Patriot Mobile real quick. Patriot Mobile is the only Christian
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mean that in a positive way. In Congress this past week talking about Biden's budget. The budget that he has put together, that the Democrats have put together is not an actual budget. It's a massive increase of government spending, but with a whole hell of a lot of wokeness in it that has nothing to do with an actual budget. Well, this past week, Biden rolled out what he calls his budget, and it is a left wing manifesto. It is extreme.
He proposed just for fiscal year twenty twenty four, six point nine trillion dollars in spending, almost seven trillion dollars in spending, and under the budget that he laid out, he is proposing that the national debt should exceed fifty trillion dollars by the year twenty thirty three, which would be a debt to GDP ratio higher than the record we set right after World War Two. That's what he's
proposing on the front end now. Amazingly enough, despite having fifty trillion in debt, he also is proposing four point seven trillion in new taxes. A lot of those taxes are targeted at oil and gas, at energy exploration, because he wants the price of the gas pump to go higher, because the Green New Deal is much more important to him than actually working families who are having a hard time making ends meet, who are having a hard time
fill their pump. If you look at what is in this budget, he would increase the business tax rate to twenty eight percent, which the Tax Foundation has estimated would kill one hundred and fifty nine thousand jobs, shrink the economy by seven hundred and twenty billion dollars, and would have the United States have a higher business tax rate than communist China. But that is there. Can you say
that again? I think people really need to understand and realize why they're doing what you just said, having a higher corporate tax rate than China, and that's to basically make our government, I would say, communist socialists, however you want to describe it, but make sure that you just can't really succeed to a certain level of success in America any longer they want to, They want to tamper success. I'm just going to tell you what they're doing. This
is a socialist budget. This is a budget to bankrupt America. This is a budget to kill jobs. This is a budget to create even more inflation. For example, let's just work a look at a simple word camp The word equity appears in the Biden budget sixty three times, the word climate one hundred and forty eight times, the words
environmental justice they appear twenty five times. On the other hand, how about issues that Americans actually care about, the word inflation is mentioned just ten times, police officers mentioned four times, parents mentioned three times, gas prices three times, fentanyl just two times. This is a left wing budget and it doesn't address the real problems, like we have the worst illegal immigration in our nation's history. You don't how many
new border patrol agents are funded. Are in this budget. I'm going to guess not that many. Knowing how much they love an open budget, open border, I should say three hundred and fifty. Wow. Mind you, the budget not only funds eighty seven thousand new IRS agent, it puts even more money into the IRS. Because their objective is a federal government to harass and go after the American people in small businesses. They're perfectly fine with open borders.
They're perfectly fine with fentanol flooding across the border. Here's the good news this left wing budget. The chances of it passing into law are zero percent. There's no chance this budget will pass. And by the way, the Biden White House knows this. They know that a Republican House of Representatives would never pass this radical budget. So why did they propose it. What's interesting is because they know it won't pass. This is a political document this is
they're telling you, this is what we believe in. And what becomes clear is what they believe in is climate, justice and equity and everything except actually securing the border, acting our homes, protecting our families, growing the economy, creating jobs, lowering inflation, having gas prices be affordable. None of those do they care about. This is instead I am activist. Hear me, roar that is this budget? How much of
this center could make it? And you did say you think there's zero percent chances budget will be passed, but a budget will have to be passed. So is this start out on the most extreme and then you you negotiate down to a significant chunk of this extremism showing up in the budget. Well, it'll depend on the back and forth between the House and the Senate. The Republican House is going to have very different priorities. Unfortunately, we
have a Democrat Senate. So my guess is that some of the Democrats in the Senate think Biden's budgets should be even bigger, He should spend even more. For example, one of their talking points that the White House is bragging about as they say, well, we increase defense spending three percent now, of course, inflation is between six and eight percent, so that is in real terms a cut of between three and five percent to defense. But that's
their talking point. Where we end up at the end of the day is going to be a result of the negotiations between the House and Senate and the White House. It's going to go back and forth. And the two pivotal leverage points where the fight is really going to be fought out are going to be the debt ceiling and are going to be September thirtieth, the expiration of federal funding. Those are going to be the two battles. I expect both will be epic battles. I believe if
Republicans stand firm, we can make real progress. But we'll see a if Republicans stand firm and be what Democrats do in response. Yeah, this budget, as you said, seeing how the sausage is going to be made will be very very interesting. I want to move on to one other issue, Senator, and that is one where a Biden official apparently classified info about the Trump Air Chinese by balloons to deflect criticism of the Biden administration. Centers are
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by balloons just to deflect criticism from Joe Biden's administration. Well, this is another illustration of what happens when the woke, angry children at Stanford Law School grow up and get jobs in the Defense Department. In this instance, remember back to the Chinese by balloon, and we talked quite a bit on the podcast about the Chinese by balloon at the time, and when the news broke, Remember the Chinese five balloon initially crossed over American airspace in Alaska. The
Biden administration did nothing. It then went over Canadian airspace, the Biden administration did nothing. It then crossed over into American airspace again, crossing in Idaho and Montana. And what happened is it happened to be a remarkably clear day and a couple of Montana guys looking up in the sky saw the damn thing, and they took pictures of it, and they put it on the internet, and reporters covered it, and suddenly people are like, what the heck is that
in the air. And as you'll recall, for eight days the Biden administration allowed the spy balloon to traverse the entire continental United States conducting espionage over sensitive military installations, and they did nothing until its mission was complete, and then they shot it down over the Atlantic. Now, if you recall, when this was unfolding, Biden was getting a lot of heat. Why are you so weak? Why are you so impotent? Why are you allowing the Chinese to
spy on us? And about midway through that process, suddenly there were stories everywhere that says said, oh, well, Trump did the same thing. The Chinese spied on us during the Trump administration and Trump did nothing as well, And that was a story. The Biden flacks, they flacked hard. They're like, look, look, look, see Trump did it too. Haha.
Our guy's not weak. And what we now know. So, there was a letter that was sent by two of my colleagues, Roger Wicker and Marco Rubio, which the letter alleges that the under Secretary of Defense for policy a guy named Colin Call, who is a left wing activist. He is a hard partisan. He's someone who has a long history of misusing classified information and being willing to
leak it for political and partisan purposes. What the Wicker Rubio alleges is that it was Colin Call who is the one that put out there that it had happened under the Trump administration. But what we also know now is that when Called told that to reporters, he omitted one really critical fact, which is the Trump administration didn't know about Trump didn't know about it. You know, remember
afterwards there were lots of folks. Mike Pompeo went on TV and said, I don't know what they're talking about, that I don't know anything about this. The head of the Director of Natural Intelligence under Trump said, I don't know what they're talking about. Colin Call knew that the Trump administration was unaware of these Chinese balloons. They omitted that detail because they wanted to say Biden's not weak.
Trump did the same thing. Well, you know what, you can't shoot down a balloon that you're not aware at the time it's there. And so he deliberately either leaked or potentially declassified the documents. So Colin Call has a history of doing both of playing fast and loose with classified documents, but in this case doing it in a
very misleading way. Because the story ran everywhere. This happened three times under Trump, and he did nothing without including the really critical fact that they were unaware of it at the time, and the government only found out later. This is a big deal, and there's a reason every single Republican in the Senate voted against confirming Colin Call because he's a partisan activist rather than someone taking seriously the job of defending this nation. And look, this goes
right back to where the podcast started. In law school, whether you're on the left or right, you're training to become an attorney, a member of the bar. You're training to acquire skills. You're training to learn how to think like a lawyer. You're training to be able to represent a client in front of a judge, even a judge you disagree with, even a judge who may rule against your client, even if in look in a capital murder case, it could be a judge who might sentence your clients
to death. You have a very serious responsibility as an advocate, as a member of the bar. Those Stanford Law students are demonstrating their unfit to carry that responsibility in the defense department. Like Wise, if you're charged with defending this nation from our enemies, it is a grave and serious responsibility.
And this is another example where you put hardcore partisans into their those positions, they elevate their partisanship above the seriousness of their responsibility, and in this instance, leak classified information and do so affirmatively, misleadingly. I feel like I asked you this question far too often. Will he get in trouble for this or leaking this? It's still a hard court no, because the same people are in charge of the deep state, the Biden White House wants him
to do this. I suspect the Biden white House was celebrating this is These are the same people that wrote the Biden budget. These are hard partisans that Biden has populated this administration with. And so I suspect they were giving him high fives because when all the the news began covering oh Trump did the same thing, suddenly their
prr PR crisis, they had a reprieve from it. And look we talked about on the pod how the entire Chinese spy balloon the Biden White House didn't treat as a national security matter, didn't treat as an espionage matter. It treated as a public relations matter. It treated as a communications endeavor. It's why, after Biden's weakness was exposed by allowing the spy balloon to complete its mission. He shot down three random things in the sky that we
still don't know what they are. You know, we think one of them was like a high school science project that he sent a four hundred thousand dollars missile to shoot down a twelve dollars balloon. But the purpose wasn't to take it out. The purpose was to have a press release. See tough van Biden him shoot thing down. These are not people who are serious about protecting America. These are partisans engaged in public relations who believe in violence.
Look when the Stanford Law students are screaming down the judge, that's no different than the rioters and protesters that show up at the homes of justices, screaming and threatening their families. And Merrick Garland, the Attorney General, refuses to enforce the law and prosecute them even though it's a federal crime. Merrick Garland agrees with them, and Biden agrees with them, and you can see what it is. And those screaming students at Stanford Law School couldn't. I couldn't agree with
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