Hello, welcome to the first episode of transcending humanity, a podcast about trans people, the trans community, hosted by trans people, ourselves, non binary people, ourselves, allies, and just other people that are, you know, interested in the community. We are here to spread awareness and just kind of show the world that we are just people just trying to live our lives really. Are you gonna let us all introduce ourselves? My name is Vanessa
Joy. I'm a trans woman that's 41 years old, I came out in October of 2021. I started hormone therapy in November of 2021. And I've just been kind of I been turning into somewhat of a Trans activist ever since then, before that, I never really had much activism in my life, I was just kind of living the life of a, you know, entitled, sis white guy, and threw myself into one of the most hated demographics in the country, as my friends here, can, they know what that's like? So yeah, whoever wants to
go next can go next. I'll point out Mia.
Oh, okay. Thank you. My name is Mia. I'm a 49 year old trans woman, I just started transitioning actually started on hormones in January of 2022. And full time transitioned in October, or sorry, not October, August to 2022. And I, I'm just like you, Vanessa, I really didn't have a voice beforehand, I lived in that very privileged world, that I didn't need to have a voice. It didn't affect
me at that point in time. But as I have grown into myself, I have definitely learned that not only should I have a voice for myself, but there's a lot of people out there that need my voice and our voice as well, because they're not able to speak for themselves out of fear of retaliation, out of just not knowing how to have those voices. So I'm very honored to be here. And I will go with Angela, if she wants to speak next. Hi,
I'm Angela, my pronouns are they them. And my nonbinary journey began when I was 37 and a half officially, although when I look back, it was before that. But it began with a diagnosis of breast cancer and having to go through a double mastectomy and treatment and reconstruction. And thinking about what does it mean to honor this new body and instead of allowing myself to feel trapped mentally, that I failed as a woman? How can I set myself in a different identity that then frees me from that
pressure. And that's kind of of how all of this transitioning for me came about. And I only officially changed my pronouns at work. And with my doctor, and as many spaces as I've been able to so far, about two and a half months ago. So this is still a very new journey. I'm 40. Now, I will be 41 in October. And it's, you know, it's still evolving, it's still a jury, I still miss gender myself, especially if it's really early in the morning, I'm tired. But I just
appreciate it. When people make an attempt to realize that, you know, my pronouns are important to me, and they are, you know, my identity is important to me, and I just appreciate it when anyone or all whether they're in the LGBTQ community or not, you know, actually makes an attempt to honor that identity for for me and others like me, so that's really important. Definitely. Last but not least, is Tamsyn?
Yeah, that's me. I'm Tamsyn. I am a trans woman. I am older than 49. And let's leave it at that. I started my transition. Probably about 11 years ago, I accepted myself and then seven years ago, I started HRT band came out at work in July of 2021. That was pretty much an event that was a non event. It was it was rather simple. It was I was way more in my head that I needed to be about it. But a funny thing happened on the way to that
event or after that event. I became Voice and I became someone that people were inspired by that I didn't, that was an unexpected thing. There's three people that followed me transitioning and my company since I'm no longer with the company. But that's a different discussion for a different day.
And then I got to speak about my story at outeniqua workplace summit last year, and talk about my transition on the job, and share out how we support how we created document to support our trans individuals in the company. And that was like a really powerful thing. I've learned how to use my voice on LinkedIn, and really uplift other people that may not have the ability to be out themselves. But raising awareness, just across the board is really a big deal for me right now. Visibility is a big
deal. It's scary as hell to be visible. But it's also important as hell. Yeah. That's about it for me for now. Sure, there's more that I can talk about.
There's Yeah, that's the entire point of the podcast, I guess is, the more to talk about this podcast is the, when it's just us talking, it's pretty much it's gonna be a free for all we will talk about the topics and stuff like that, but we're just looking to people to just learn about us like, and in this case you have for people
that are 40 or above. And usually, I think when people think of the trans community, they think of, you know, Gen Z, and the people coming out younger, and we are all evidence that people come out in their 30s and up. And I think that brings some some unique challenges, in that, especially people that go on hormones, like our bodies have already completely changed based on the hormones with the sex assigned at birth. And with Angela, in the non binary sense, I I've, I've worked with non binary
people before. And I honestly think that NBS have even more trouble in society than trans people do. Because I, in my opinion, NBS are the best of humanity, because you just you issue all the rules and live as a human rather than being divided by some sort of binary. I'm guilty of defining myself on the binary. But in my opinion, NBS are just they're a group of
people that I look up to. But I also think that society doesn't know what to think about people, non binary, gender non conforming people, I mean, right down to all of the forums and stuff that you fill out, especially job hunting, it's you get to choose male or female or prefer not to disclose. So, Angela, how has that How was your life just been impacted by all these little things? What do you see and
actually, I want to I want to talk about that for a second because what I have found is that the degree to which you are accepted as a transgender individual coincides with the degree to which you can pass as the way society prefers to see your gender. Yes. So you are more validated as a trans person, when you look and I'm using air quotes here, since you can't see me when you look like the agenda to which you are
moving toward. So, we want as humans we we need to put things into neat little boxes, you know, we need to be able to label something to define something to define the parameters of something, you know, we need to do that. And as a non binary person, you are very intentionally ensuring that you do not do that. You know, so, for example, we literally five seconds ago, just got invited to a friend's for Easter
Sunday. And this friend is super religious, very straight laced, very steadfast in her views of what gender embodies. She's also older, so you know, I was joking with my wife, Hey, you want me to break out my tie collection? I really, you know, I can really like you know, studying up just for that day, you know, I mean, like, you know, just to like, have fun, you know, and it and we joke about it. But being non binary, you are even more conscious of how you're
presenting. Because you very firmly have to stay in the middle, if you will to truly be seen as non binary. Because what everybody's hat is doing is going well, what are you really? Okay? You say you're non binary, but
what are you really what's in your pants?
What's in your pants? Don't you wish you could get in my pants? That's how I usually reply that was Don't you wish you could find out? You know? And it's hard because we try to kind of stay, you know, in the
middle. But then, of course, I know people who are non binary who look very feminine presenting, and I know people who are non binary, who looked very masculine presenting, you know, and I know people who are non binary, but have transitioned so far to the opposite gender from which they were assigned that, if you were told me that they had to, if you had told me that they were born female, I've never in a million years, would I have guessed that? Or if you had told me, Oh,
they were born male. Never in a million years when I have guessed that, but they use they them pronouns. So it's, I don't think it really answered your question. But it's, it's really difficult to try to walk that line in a way that honors yourself. You know, but also walk the line in a way that doesn't add further stress, you know, to so what you're going through, I mean, because things are stressful enough. You know, so I mean, for me personally, and I think everybody's nonbinary existence is
different. For me, personally, I get an eye twitch, if someone holds a skirt up, I'm not crazy about dresses, except I do have a couple of favorites that I kept. Because just because they are a favorite, and I'll never know if I feel like wearing it just because I like it. Um, but, you know, it's just, it's different for everybody. You know, it really is different for everybody. So that's how I would answer that. But I am so excited to have this opportunity with
you all. And actually, I would like to bring up another conversation point for us, of course, which is that, you know, we all met on LinkedIn. And we all met because not only are we on LinkedIn, but we are content creators, who are continually showing up daily on LinkedIn, and continually commenting on other content and continually trying to advocate for our
community. So, you know, that's, that's another thing is that, you know, you can be it, it's one thing to be a transgender person or a non binary person, and then have a period at the end of that sentence. But it's another thing to be a transgender person and a non binary person and actively putting yourself out there, even though it's scary, even though who knows what the laws are gonna be doing in the next four months, or years? or what have you, you know, we're willing to
put ourselves out there. And what does that say about us, you know, as people and I think so I think we need to, we need to honor that we need to talk a little bit about, you know, what prompted us to get on LinkedIn, and what prompted us to begin our own advocacy journeys, you know, because it's one thing to believe in something. But it's another thing to advocate for it. Belief is silent, right, we can believe in something and not
say a word. But if you want to advocate you have to say a word, you have to make yourself known or heard that, like when you stand out. That is
an amazing topic, especially very topical, for our first episode two, because we did all meet on LinkedIn. That's how this entire thing got started. I can't even I don't even remember if it was me, or who mentioned that a podcast should start up. But it's all of us have found that giving our voices out is a very important thing. And it is it's terrifying. And we're constantly under attack. Like I know, I was
found by Kiwi farms. And another trans woman on LinkedIn that I follow was as well and and that's a that's a hate group that we have to deal with. But that's part of what happens when we're going to be vocal and out and loud and proud in order to teach the world about our existence. Its inherent danger with it but I think it's also very important. Our our words do get out and I have found that our words get out more on LinkedIn than they do on other platforms.
Yeah, I I agree completely. I started finding my voice. Last year on Trans Day of visibility. And everything I write I almost always post something that is from my heart. It's never something that I struggle to put together. And when if I do struggle It's because I'm wordsmithing it to make sure that I get it exactly how I want it. The biggest thing, impact that I've had, I think, for me was I met a woman on social Saturday. And she has
a trans son. And she reached out to me, because she knew I was trans from like my LinkedIn profile, because she didn't have anywhere else to turn to for guidance. And she was looking for a trans person to talk to, and I became that person for her and our friends. And she turned around and supported me when I was coming out to my parents, which was a big deal, because they're in their 80s. And she had just recently told her parents about her son's transition. So you know, it's a
two way street. And what I think I want I really want to stress is, the community that we have only did is an unbelievable, we have a bunch of amazing people, they are trans people, non binary people, parents of trans kids, it's just an even allies, our allies that are out there supporting us. It's just incredible what we have on that platform, well, we can accomplish there.
It's wonderful. It's so wonderful.
You know, LinkedIn was a, shall we say societally dominant, cisgender, white middle club for a long time, a very long time.
And they're still holding on.
They are, but I was so happy to see how COVID really changed the trajectory of that, because they actually, we're all human. So we're all still seeking community. And waiting became a place where anyone could show up as their true selves, and find a group of people that were like minded. And I really didn't see that growth skyrocket the way it did
until COVID. And I think there's something to be said, for that, that it will we will find, community people can try to stop us, people can try to silence us, but we will find community. You know, and, and we will I mean, there are people in LinkedIn I am closer with than I am to blood relatives, or people who I thought were friends or what have you. And there's something to be said for that there's something to be said for the empathy and the humanity and the compassion that is visible
on that platform every day. Of course, you know, as Vanessa would say, is that the opposite visible? Yes, it absolutely is. But if you seek out, you know, that community piece, you know, it's it's there, you know, in full visible glory every day.
I love also, you're seeing more and more people being held accountable. Where people will post screenshots of harassing messages, and then those harassing messages get back to those people's, the people sending the nasty stuff to bosses. And it actually shows it that people actually get in trouble people who lose their jobs for being bigots. It's such an amazing thing to see.
No, I absolutely agree with everything that all of you are saying, I really didn't get involved with my LinkedIn profile until very recently. Excuse me, actually, a co worker friend of mine, who's also transgender that transitioned a few years before me, was the first person in our organization that actually transitioned at the company, and I just happen to follow in their footsteps. And I'm now the second person that has transitioned and not come in as transgender from the
beginning. And they actually introduced me to our group on on
LinkedIn. And I will say that the response that I have gotten from people that wouldn't respond to me in other social media platforms like Facebook or, or anything else, co workers, you know, friends of those co workers or other people in the professional community, I never would have gotten those responses for trying to find my voice and advocate anywhere else if, you know, I posted similar posts on Facebook and other platforms and the ones that you know that people pay more
attention to are or that pay the most attention are going to be those profiles that are on LinkedIn, and there definitely is a lot stronger community there. I have seen, I guess, suits My impact there be a lot more powerful. And even being able to tie into some of the advocacy that I'm doing through the company through our Employee Resource Groups posting and me
being part of those posts. And that being out there as well, it's just amazing how that positivity and that showing of who we really are and what we really stand for. And it goes out that all we want, like we said, at the very beginning is just to, you know, be who we are. Everybody be who they are, we do our own things we go about our lives. And we all have that happily ever after. And that's
all what we're looking for. And the community on LinkedIn, it has been a overwhelming just due to the fact that I haven't experienced that before with any of the other platforms I'm on. But it's a very welcome overwhelming.
Yes, definitely. I think a lot of it also on LinkedIn, we are also at the mercy of the algorithms as I found that I don't know if any of the rest of you look at your analytics of your posts, but it's like, I'm the made up, man or meta, I don't even know how you pronounce it. And those platforms, the only things that really get shown to people are the superficial stuff, like I'll take a cute selfie or something like that, and then that'll get
a lot of reach. But then I'll share anything about trans rights and what's what we're facing. And like a selfie, we'll get an organic reach of 600 to 1000 people on Facebook. And then I post something, you know, important to the community and it might get to 20 people, it's it's so amazingly different. But on LinkedIn, it is our voices get the algorithm is much less bigoted, honestly. And our
voices get spread more. And I'm constantly finding new people coming across and coming across other people myself, and that's our community just grows so quickly. It's how all of us met is just all of a sudden we're starting to show up in each other's feeds. And it's, it's wild how, at the mercy of the algorithms that we really are. So I'm thinking I feel now I'm alone. I agree with you all that LinkedIn has changed so much since the pandemic, I've been on LinkedIn since I don't know, six
shortly after it started. And I barely ever used it because it was just hoity toity old says that like guys, really. And now it's this vibrant culture and of passionate people. And you see posts by people like Leo and Max and everybody else that just you read them and they're like, Ted Talks, speeches that they're posting every day. Liam is another great person for that. And yeah, it's this community is just it's absolutely amazing. dead air who wants to go next?
So I guess the thing, you know, kind of on the topic that we were talking about is what led you to find your voice? Because no, like Tamsin was talking about transgender day of visibility last year was where she really started to, to find her voice. You know, I'm interested in where everybody what was that instances that you went from? being the person that, yeah, you feel it in your heart, but you don't stand up. You don't say anything. You
don't speak out? To? What motivated you to be like, No, I need to be doing more than this. It's not just about me. And I'll go ahead.
I can pinpoint mine to an exact time. January 12 2022, to 12pm standing in the Bank of America lobby. In my hometown, in my current town, I was making a deposit for my wife, I am not and after this number will be a Bank of America customer. But I was making a deposit for my wife and the teller had on two masks, a face shield, and there was also a partition, like a plastic partition between, you know, us and her. And she said something and I couldn't understand her at
all. And I said, Well, I'm sorry, can you repeat yourself, you know, and she said it again. And then I realized she had a really thick accent and I was like, oh, no, like this is not gonna go well. And I I'm really sorry, I'm deaf, do you think you could step back and pull your mask down? Or maybe just enunciate your words a little more loudly? And she asked me if I could read it very loudly Can you read? And I didn't know where this was going? And I
said, Yes, I can. And she proceeded to write down every question she had for me on paper and hold it up, and she would not engage with me verbally at all. And I had people behind me snickering and laughing and shuffling your feet, and I was so beyond mortified and humiliated and embarrassed. And I finished the transaction, and I got out to my car, and I
started crying. And I got on a Facebook Live With My Deaf and Hard of Hearing group, and I, you know, with about 17, different expletives, you know, told them exactly what had happened, and how I felt, and that was my lightning bolt moment, like, I literally was sitting there in my car going, This is it, accessibility and inclusion is, is what I'm gonna do, that's what I'm gonna do.
And actually, I was unemployed at the time, because I was going through long COVID, I'd had a really bad bout with COVID being immunosuppressed, as a cancer survivor. And my oncologist said to me, you cannot go back to elementary school teaching like you can't, you're gonna kill yourself, if you do that, with all the germs that you're going to be bringing home all the time. And the school district where I taught, would not let me happen to like short term disability or sick leave bank or
anything like that. And I was not able to collect unemployment. So this was seven months of not having a you know, 45% worth of our family's income. And I remember I was like, You know what, I'm gonna go on LinkedIn, I don't know if I have anything more say, I don't know if anybody won't care at all about my story. But I'm going to tell my story on LinkedIn. And I started telling my story, and creating content. And I would just, you know, think of something I wanted to
share and just write it. And, you know, slowly, I began to gather a following. I think my first post saw, like, four views or something like that. And I was thrilled for Oh, my God, it was so exciting. And then it really took off. And I started to position myself as a accessibility expert, because when you do live with a weapon, invisible disabilities, and two visible ones, you're pretty much
an expert at that point. Yeah. When accessibility in ways that you eat, right, and on how to champion for your needs, you know, and it just kind of took off from there. And I mean, I'm not, I'm only at 6200 followers. I'm not anywhere near some people. But I'm okay with that. Because I'm not looking for vanity followers. Um, are there things I could post that would get 30,000 followers in a day? Sure. Is that the authentic
audience? I'm looking for? No, no. So it's been a journey, but to have the affirmation every day that I have something to say, and my voice is valuable, has been priceless. Yes, that has been the greatest thing that LinkedIn has taught me is that I have a voice and it's valued. Yeah.
Yeah, I feel the same way, beginning of this year, and we started getting hit with all the anti trans legislation that I made a commitment as a, as a creator, I wanted to make sure that we got a lot of stuff done. And I just keep putting putting stuff out.
For me. I, when I came out, I was really not that in tune that much with what the trans community faced, but just my Google searches and stuff just about transitioning the setting the other, made the Google search algorithms, bring up more trans stuff, just like it has anything that you search, and it started showing me articles on anti trans legislation. And I'm like, holy, yeah, what is going on in this country? And it's stuff that just never was on my radar. Right? Read that on my radar
before. But here, I'm just like, This is seriously messed up. And this affects so many people, and not just myself and my family. But all these kids that are being attacked left and right by I wouldn't men, it's just it's absolutely disgusting. A quarter of the trans kids in the country no longer have access to gender
affirming care. These politicians rather next to trying to fix things or try to sort out health care, or homelessness, whatever, are going after kids as their primary focus, and it's just evil interest, all that lit a fire in me. And I was just like Angela, I started posting and I first get, you know, four views 10 views. And I remember like, first one that went, quote unquote viral I guess with has like 60 60,000 impressions now and I'm just like, okay, whatever I'm saying is
resonating with people. And overall, when I post, I usually don't schedule my posts, I usually post what is ever on my mind at the time. I only schedule something if I see something important that I'd like to share. And I want it to go out when I know people will see it, I'll schedule something for like Monday morning at nine. But otherwise, pretty much all my posts are spurred a moment whatever is going on in my head at that time. And that's just my neurodivergent asks is how it
works. So yeah, it's LinkedIn is such a, I never would have thought in a million years that I would have found LinkedIn to be my place to find community. And because it was just so stuffy before, and I had my profile, but never really did anything with that. And but wow. As you all have said, it's like, starting with the pandemic, it has transformed. And I hope it
stays that way. You never know, with the social media platforms, what's going to happen, but I, I'm appreciative of the platform and just be able to meet everybody. It's just so amazing. Definitely agreed. Yeah.
I mean, as far as like, for me, um, you know, I fell, I guess you would say into that trap of when I first transitioned? Yes, I had been aware of transgender issues. But it was one of those things where I didn't really feel how they impacted me, I will say, I've been very fortunate. When I announced it work that I was
going to transition. There were people in tears that were so happy for me and one of my co workers infamously said that I didn't drop bread crumbs, I dropped bread slices, they had known for months that that they were just waiting for me to say it. And even being at my place of work, being at our corporate office, and we have roughly 2000 People in our corporate office. There's hardly anyone there. That's visibly transgender, I think we have one other transgender individual in our
Talent Acquisition Group. But other than that, at the corporate campus, it's me, and being, you know, in a department that has a lot of technicians in the field throughout the entire United States, I realized that, yes, I'm having a great experience. But our technicians aren't necessarily even our technicians in the Denver area, we're having trouble being able to go into customers houses and feel like they have support from their management and from their
company. And that's where I really started to find my voice wasn't so much outside of work, but at work, even working with this Transgender Day of visibility, trying to get a message out. I'm now getting involved with our employee resource group to be able to advocate not necessarily just for dei B, but for LGBTQIA plus initiatives in our company. And it's really letting me know how important this is. I look at it is yes, I have an opportunity to
have a voice now. But I also, I also feel I have a responsibility to have a voice. Because others aren't going to be able to speak up others aren't going to be able to say that they don't feel comfortable or, or they'll have questions about well, what do I do in this type of situation? And they've got no other avenue to get the support of their executive team, their C suite, anything like that, unless there's somebody
there to advocate. And, yes, I want to make sure of course, that I have a good experience because I'm going through this as well. But I want to make sure more importantly, that I can be who others need me to be to help them have a better experience being who they are, no matter where they're at in the country.
That's that's important. Just it, it's so hard to find a place where you can feel safe to. And I can't even imagine what it's like to be a technician on the field, transitioning, I, I do real estate photography on the side, and I have trouble finding clients because I live in a very red area, like, I drive a couple of miles from here. And there's a guy that has two Confederate flags flying on a major road, at half mast. And everywhere around me, it's just Trump this Trump
that. And I have a client, I have clients that would love to hire me, but they know that their sellers would be hostile if I came into the house, so I don't get the work. And it's just that that's why our voices get me out there are so important, and are there going to be people whose minds that we're not going to change? Yes, there's a lot of those. But there's a lot of people that just aren't, don't know who we are, don't have any exposures.
So that's why like, your employee resource groups, all that is so important for people just to just know, we're not here to hurt anybody, we just want to live our lives.
Well, one of the things that I think really is a stumbling block, going to what you're talking about, where there's people that just don't know, who we are, or what we stand for, or how we live, is they don't speak or they don't understand from a position of experience. I've been guilty of probably every bad thing that has happened to transgender individuals, I did to transgender individuals, when I couldn't accept who I was. And it wasn't until I transitioned.
And I could now speak from a position of experience that I realized just how I don't want to use the term like ignorant or stupid or anything like that, because that's not what it is. It's just not informed. Yeah, not relatable. You know, there's people that I probably interact with on a daily basis that after they've interacted with me, they're like, oh, wow, you're you're just a normal person. I may be the first trans woman that they've ever interacted with in their life. And that's
important. Yeah. And I've experienced that on business trips, going into training centers, and wondering, oh, what are they all going to think of me when I walk in, and everybody's like, Oh, my gosh, this is great. You know, I'm teaching them skills, doing this, having discussions with them. And it's like, that may be their first actual experience with a transgender individual.
And all they've had before is what they've been told, or what they were assuming based off of what's on the news, or what's in the what's in the article or the chat room or things like that. So it's important that we have that voice. Yes. But it's also important that we're just visible and showcasing this is who we are, I don't bite, come and talk to me, come ask me questions. I'm an open book, you'll understand that, you
know, I'm just another human. By the time we're done talking, and then I'm hoping that the attitude will be a little bit different.
Yeah, this is just one small part of who we are. Yeah, that's the part that I think it's really missed it by a lot of people.
Unfortunately, even though it's a small part, so many people make it into such a big part. So and that's why we're here to be vocal, and try to teach people so I'm a perfect example right now in the news, with the horrible shooting in Nashville. And, like, now I get, I get trolls on comments I make about you know, how the shooting was part of the trans agenda. And I'm like, I don't support this shooting at all. It's absolutely horrible. And but the person's gender identity
shouldn't be the focus. It should be the mental health and the issues that this person faced and why it happened. And also, why aren't we talking about the 98% of the shooters being sent, man? You know,
the part of that is it's a very fear monger. Yeah, idea, our gender identity, who we are, it's not based out of a sense of there being anything real, real or irrational, for there to be a fear about it. It's a manufactured fear. Like you said, there There's, I mean, gosh, what is it, you know, there's been, I'll just say definitely over 1000 mass shootings, there's definitely been less than five of those that have been caused by a transgender individual. But yet,
that's the narrative. Just like, you know, the bathroom bills that are out there, the whole thing is, because primarily transgender women, if you look at how they're worded, they got to protect the world from transgendered women, because we're all giving up that place of privilege, where we came from being male, you know, that we're going to give that up and, you know, become that most device group in, you know, society right now, to do something along those lines, when there's been
Yeah, probably a couple of cases where something similar to that
has happened. But yet, we turned a blind eye to other areas of society, like sports therapists that work for athletic teams, or, you know, we can go down numerous roads where people in a position of trust that didn't have to give up that place of privilege, still committed these horrific crimes against kids against women against, you know, boys, but yet we turn a blind eye to that, because that's not fear mongering, it doesn't get the attention, like if we make it about this group, and we say
this group is going to be so terrible, and you're not going to want to find out about them, but you're going to want to believe everything we say about them. So just go be angry at them. Yeah.
I, we are running out of time here. But I think that the bathroom issue should definitely be our focus of conversation next week. Because Holy shit, is that a thing? I saw him nodding their tail. It's it's absolutely crazy. And we say that,
can we say the bathroom issue and the locker room issue? Can we get together?
Yes. Yeah. Any any sort of traditional gendered space? You know? So yeah, I think that would be an amazing topic for next week. Does anyone have any closing thoughts?
This has been awesome. What a great episode
has been awesome.
I think this has been a really good start to where we were going, and I can't wait to see where we go next and help a game like this. This is a great group of people.
It is it is I can't wait to have start having some guests on here, and stuff like that. For our listeners, I want to thank everyone for joining us. I asked that if you're listening to this on a platform that allows you to rate like Apple podcasts, I think Spotify or if you're watching it on YouTube, please give us five stars give us ratings, we're going to be slammed with hate messages here. It's just going
to be left and right. And we're going to get people giving us low ratings in order to just to try to silence our voices. So the more five stars that we can get to offset that will greatly help our reach were a new podcast. But I my hope and plan for this podcast is to be a powerhouse in the queer community at large for people to come to for comfort. So thank thank you all for being here for the first episode. Thank you. And I can't wait for our next
one. I can't wait for I can't wait to see where we take this.
Thank you for hostessing. Yes. Thank
you. Absolutely. Thank you,
of course. Thank you