¶ The Power of Healing Sound Vibration
What's the relationship between sound frequency and the releasing of happy hormones ?
Oh , good question , Happy hormones . So , yes , the same thing that's occurring when you're in that restorative state is that there's a release of dopamine and serotonin , which are the feel-good hormones , and that helps . So when we're in a state where we are now this is where we have we store trauma and PTSD it is we can have emotional and mental dysregulation .
So when you're going over into that other state and you're releasing those hormones , they create regulation and they release feel good hormones so that you start to feel better and that builds all those other states and it also boosts the immune system , which is very amazing as well .
Hi , I'm Linus Woods Mullins and I love to help women to vibe , to be more vibrant , intuitive , beautiful and empowered in their life . To vibe to be more vibrant , intuitive , beautiful and empowered in their life . So come on , let's vibe .
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It's so interesting that some of the things that can help us are really simple and not as complex as you might think , and I'm really glad that you have an open enough mind to be listening with us today , because I think it's open minds that ultimately heal . I have with me Dr Susan James , and she works with sound and I'm not going to read her bio .
You can read the bio in the show notes . How did you discover that sound could make such a huge difference in our lives ?
You know , I've always had an inclination towards music , although I don't consider myself a professional musician at all . But I started reading a book this was ages ago called Super Learning . So I'm interested in how people , how we , can transform ourselves . And then I was studying certain drum rhythm systems .
At the same time I became a medical and clinical hypnotherapist and I was also working with a woman who did something called Tibetan sound blowing and what I realized I didn't realize it at the time . In some ways it just kind of came together because I could understand how the system worked . And I was also working with different populations .
So I was working with people with cancer and immune compromised illness and I was working with people who had trauma addiction and they were in recovery and they also had mental health diagnosis . And then I also worked in internal medicine with pain patients . And then during that time I also had a three-year I call it a mystical studies program .
So with all of those groups I was using these sound practices and I had amazing results . I had a woman a lot of times , especially in the treatment settings . People would come from all over the United States and sometimes from Canada and other countries . I would never see them again .
And about four years later I was at a master's level graduation ceremony and one of the women who had gone through that program came down and sat next to me so I hadn't seen her in all that time and she said I just want you to know you saved my life . Your programs are what saved my life .
So there were so many little instances that occurred where people said I can't meditate , but I can do this , and so I realized that it was very powerful and that people got these amazing changes .
Some people would cry , some people those were probably more dramatic representations but a lot of people felt very comforted and it was a way for them to shift out of our normal state of consciousness into that restorative state , out of our normal state of consciousness into that restorative state .
So that's really fascinating . Because one of the things I think is fascinating about your background . Some people might say initially oh well , the whole sound thing , it's all woo woo , there's no science behind it .
But you are a woman of science , you have a doctorate in behavioral health and integrated medicine and still , and yet you realize the importance of maybe going beyond that , because for the last 25 years you've worked with people who have cancer , immune compromised illnesses , mental health diagnosis , trauma , addiction .
I mean , there's a plethora of issues that people would think only something that's based totally and completely in science would they be able to help . But you have found that actually the sound thing is based on science and I was wondering if you could kind of , you know , simplify a little bit how the sound does work to heal .
Sure . So what happens is when we listen , I call it the lullaby effect . I made that up . I can't trademark it , but when you know , when there's a baby , we sing to them and they get used to the tone and our breathing and the consistency .
We don't come up with a , you know , we don't do another rock and blues number , we do the same one over and over and the baby becomes . They make a connection to those sound patterns and the breathing . So it's a lot about the repetition and the pattern and the consistency of using that same one .
And so our brainwaves , when there's a certain pattern and tone that has certain like I call it the ocean waves , they have a consistency and people love ocean waves because it goes out and then there's a moment and then it comes back and then there's a moment . So we're very hardwired for those kind of consistent , particular repetitions .
So when we hear them , our breathing changes . At the same time our brainwaves change and we go into that restorative state . So it's our breathing and our brainwaves and our heartbeat as well . So our heartbeat . There's a thing called entrainment , where we resonate with the external rhythm and that holds us while we hear it .
So , as long as it's playing just like the lullaby . We're held in that state , so that's , that's how it works , and then , when it's over , we . Then there's a kind of a reequilibration where we're coming back to ordinary consciousness . So , and the way go ahead .
I was gonna say that's amazing , and the thing I find so amazing you just got to be talking about the ocean sounds and this kind of reminds me of what I said earlier when we first started talking that many times it could be things that in our immediate surroundings that could bring us comfort if we could learn how to harness that practice that involves those
things like , for instance , the ocean . I see on your site you have several examples of different kinds of sounds and things that people can listen to to get an idea . But how do these different sounds work when it comes to releasing stress and trauma and how , in this process of releasing it , how does it end up helping you to build ?
resilience uh , yeah , how does that work ? Yeah ?
so what happens when we're go , when we release ? So right now we're in a state that's called beta , and beta is where we're . We're on alert and we're noticing all the stimulus and we're responding to it , and this is the place where trauma is held in our neurological system .
So when we move over into that relaxed state , it starts to heal the trauma and it also because that's a restorative state we're also building . To me it's a state where we're connecting also with our own inner wisdom and spirituality . So it's a very expansive state and it builds our connection also to our insight .
So when we're in that state , like when you're in a lullaby , you're completely trusting , and when we're in this state , we are not trusting .
When we're in normal consciousness .
We don't trust everything . We're on alert , we're wondering , we have to evaluate , we're more in our kind of rational self , but when we're in that other state we're building that connection to our intuition and all of those other components that are about also our inner spirituality . So those are restorative states and we're able to when we do it consistently .
So it isn't a thing that you can do , like today , for an hour or something and then poof , you're , you know you're healed .
It's really .
it's really a lifestyle change where you're accessing that state and it is very similar . It's the same thing . That would be what you would do if you were going to do meditation .
But the issue with meditation is what I ran into is that so many people said I can't meditate , I have too many negative thoughts or interfering thoughts , or I got to get up and this is the place because of the sound . It helps you stay because of the repetition and it holds you there .
Your brain connects to it , instead of having your thoughts kind of running rampant on their own .
What's the relationship between sound frequency and the releasing of happy hormones ?
Oh , good question , Happy hormones ? So yes , when the same thing that's occurring when you're in that restorative state is that there's a release of dopamine and serotonin , which are the feel-good hormones , and that helps .
So when we're in a state where we are now this is where we have we store trauma and PTSD it is we can have emotional and mental dysregulation .
So when you're going over into that other state and you're releasing those hormones , they create regulation and they release feel good hormones so that you start to feel better and that builds all those other states and it also boosts the immune system , which is very amazing as well . Very important .
Yeah , it's so important to be able to heal from trauma , because trauma , as they say in that famous book , the body keeps the score . Trauma impacts your whole body over time and I think we people in general have a tendency to think , well , I haven't experienced trauma because no one's died , I didn't see a violent act .
I didn't commit trauma because , you know , no one's died , I didn't see a violent act I didn't commit , you know . But actually trauma can be something that someone said to you or an experience you had when you were in elementary school , not realizing that it impacted you in such a way that you're still carrying the impact of that in your body .
That's why it's so important to take a look at these kinds of modalities to peel back the layers and to ultimately heal that trauma , instead of just always pushing it back and not dealing with that trauma because it will end up presenting in different ways , like you said , a compromised immune system . Can you tell us ?
You always hear about frequencies and things like that , sound frequencies . As I mentioned earlier , I interviewed someone on an earlier podcast that works with music and frequencies . What kind of frequency do we need to be at in order to release stress and to begin to experience healing of trauma . Is there a particular frequency , or does it work that way ?
Well , some people say that there are certain frequencies that are resonant with the earth frequencies and I I know I mean they're not really high frequencies , they're really the ones that I have discovered are of us . They have a rhythm because we're so hardwired to the repetition and the kind of rhythm .
So if it was a rhythm like one big space to , that's too slow . So , it's a . It's also about the rhythm and the pitch , so the frequency can be . There's different definitions of the word frequency , so a lot of times someone might think it's higher lower definitions of the word frequency .
So a lot of times someone might think it's higher or lower but , it's also about the literal how many times that okay ?
okay , how ? The repetition of a particular frequency over time ?
yeah , so the frequency . So how many times I'm going to pick up my cell phones ? How a frequency of picking up my cell phone , right , like how many times did you eat your chocolate today , or whatever ? Yeah , so there's different . I think there's how people apply that word .
So what I noticed is also it's the , the repetitions and the rhythms that are very important , and also the there's an intention as well . So are you familiar with the work of Masaru Emoto ?
No , tell me about it .
So he was a Japanese researcher who did .
He has a video and I think it's free on YouTube , called Messages from Water , and he did research with freezing water crystals and putting intention into the water crystals and putting intention into the water crystals and what he discovered is that if you put negative intention , they have malformation and if you put positive intention .
So he used I hate you , I love you . I've heard of this study before . Yes , yes .
¶ Healing Sound Vibration and Genetics
So , when the sound or the whatever you're creating , the intention that you bring to it also has an influence on the whole selection that you're using . So that's another piece of it as well .
So it's about the intention , and I always like to set an intention beforehand , and I always like to set an intention beforehand and those are part of the programs that I have is that there are intentions with all the different selections , so that people are aligned with that intention .
They're not specific intentions , they're generalized intention , but that's another important piece to it .
So let's say I'm someone I'll use me as an example because I used to have an anxiety disorder and I would say I'm probably about I don't know 98% anxiety free because of a plethora of holistic practices and therapy . I went through many years ago but say I've been diagnosed with anxiety or disorder and I don't want to take any pills .
So I'm looking for alternative things to do and I come to you . What would be the process ? How would you begin to figure out what kind of sound I needed ? What kinds of things do you take into consideration ?
Well , I have online programs that are designed specifically so . I have one called Mastering Challenging Times and that would be for somebody who has anxiety .
So basically it's a similar process that we were just discussing before , which is the person listens to the sound pattern and in the program there's different ones that they choose one that they prefer and then they continue to use that one .
So it's kind of back to that idea of the lullaby that they build a that they prefer and then they continue to use that one . So it's kind of back to that idea of the lullaby that they build a relationship with it . And then what happens is so . For example , let's say , in my case I'm not fond of going to the dentist , like many people .
Or it could be like an outpatient surgery where you feel anxious about it . You have your music on your phone and you listen to it and because you have familiarity with it , you remember it and the memory of it and also the nature of that piece , your brain waves and your heart rate and your breathing all start to change and you go into that relaxed state .
So that's how I would have the person use it and they could usually . You know , if it's an anxiety disorder around certain and specific activities , like could be public speaking or whatever , then you use it beforehand to bring yourself I mean that would be a direct relationship to the activity and then you would use it also regularly .
So you are building your system for holding those other states . So if you think about , let's say , our neurological system looks like this when we're in trauma .
So if you're teaching it to go like this and you're practicing every day and then you get tension , then when you do it you're it's going to know where to go because it's a familiar path , because you've built that relationship with us , like playing the piano or some other activity .
It sounds like you are creating new neurological experiences to help you know or neural pathways . It's almost like a new learning , a new different way of thinking .
Yes , to help make the difference .
Okay , all right , go ahead . Well , that makes me want to ask another question about our genetics , because they say that we are genetically predisposed to whatever it is . Let's say it could be heart disease or diabetes or something like that . What is the relationship between what you do with sound and someone's genetics ? It doesn't help .
How does it help stimulate our genetics ?
Well , what the research shows is that when we're from childhood onward , whether we know it or not , as you mentioned , we have trauma and stress , and if you don't want to call it trauma , you can just call it stress .
And that stress creates cortisol and inflammation and then , over time , different people have maybe predetermined genetic responses to the stress that causes those things heart disease , cancer , addiction , diabetes , and then the mental health diagnosis too , because it causes inflammation .
And so the research shows that when we use systems that take us out of this place where we are right now and train ourselves to know how to relax and go into that restorative state where we're releasing dopamine and serotonin and diminishing cortisol , the stress hormone , that we're changing how our genetics respond which to me this is , like you know , very expansive
that we have the power to turn off the switches for those diseases .
That's amazing . And I've been hearing about this for a while epigenetics , and you know how we actually have the power and when you think about it , it makes so much sense because they say that we only use a small percentage of our brain and there's so much more that our brain could do if we knew how to access .
Now , one of the things I'm curious about is because there's so many distractions that are out there that keep us from the meditation or whatever . How does that work with sound ? What have your patients said about that ?
Is it hard for them to not be distracted when they're listening to that , or are there certain kinds of tools that you give them to help them from not being distracted when they're listening to the sounds ?
Well , a couple of things . The sound can be on your phone with earphones , or you can put it through speakers , and so , because we can , we absorb sound through our body and our bones , so it's not just through our ears , so that would be another way that people could network it into their system .
So ways to overcome distractions are to create a routine with it , so that you kind of it's's like I brush my teeth in the morning . This is what I do .
I have a certain chair I sit in , I have certain things I get set up beforehand so I'm hydrated and I have these moments to relax and you don't have maybe dogs running through or people that need things from you , so you to attend to all those things , to create that space .
But I also think that if you people have a family and they have other people who are in their household , to invite those people to share because they also have stress and because there's no research to exactly well , it's starting to have research to support this that we can get the trauma from our ancestors right . So it's generational trauma , family trauma .
And we don't know it's not conscious trauma passed to us through secrets , through silence , through behaviors , through modification and emotions that are not talked about and we don't know . But that's how our family relates , wow .
That is such a powerful statement . You're absolutely right . I'm simplifying things , but it kind of has to do with that old-fashioned infection that you get . Let's say , you cut your arm and you really don't . You cover it up with a band-aid and it takes longer to heal or it doesn't heal at all and becomes infected because it was never really treated .
And that's the same thing with what they call generational trauma . It's things that have happened in your family that no one talks about , and that trauma of not having to peel back the layers and discuss it and deal with it , and out in the open it just carries on .
That's right , yeah , and that explains so much in terms of why we have some of the issues we have right now in this country in terms of people not ever having the opportunity or even the know-how or awareness of the need to heal generational trauma . Have you ever worked with families that dealt with generational trauma ? What were the outcomes ?
Well , I feel like when you work with the sounds , you're working with trauma generationally , whether you know it or not . You don't have to know about it . It's just that it's changing you and how you respond , and that's why I like to say if you have a family , invite them to listen as well , because they will also resonate .
They're hearing the same sound , so you are connecting to the sound , but you are both , people are , and so that creates harmonization with each other , and so there is healing going on with those people .
So to me , that's really beautiful . It is . That's fascinating .
I'm willing to encourage all the listeners to go to your website I know you have some free downloads there that can give them some kind of an idea and shed light in terms of what this is and you also work with other practitioners , employers and things of that nature , as well as individuals , when it comes to what it is that you do .
So you do have an online practice as well . You don't have to have people that actually come to you . They can go to your website and order these sounds .
Right ? Well , they're programs , they're systems that I created .
Okay , the program .
So basically , let's say there's a certain listening program that's designed for connecting with your inner self and then there's another one that takes people to another place , but it's a whole system with using the sounds .
And then let's say there's 12 different pieces , in that you wouldn't do them all one day and what you do is you , you , some of them you repeat every day . If you can I mean , I would advise it and then other ones you do , so you might do bring in one , a more advanced one today and then a different advanced one tomorrow .
But the thing about sound is that , because we are growing and changing today , when we listen to a certain piece , tomorrow or next week , there's another layer to it for us as we develop in our consciousness . So what I've learned , also personally , is that things that I started 20 years ago , they have deepened and expanded , as I've done them every day .
It's like praying or meditating or whatever you want to call it . There's an evolution to those practices that become way more expansive .
That's very , very true . I love the idea of being able to include it . Let's say , in my case , what I do , my spiritual practice in the morning . I have something that I call starting my day in a positive way , and there's several things that I do and I've been doing it for 17 years and has made a profound difference in my life .
I would not have experienced the anxiety to the depth that I did , but I wasn't entering into any kind of self-care in the morning . It was like get up , go . I had four little girls , I was married , I was climbing the ladder in corporate America and I was just like this all the time until finally I hit a wall .
But something like this , some of the programs that she has I just wanted to share it with the listeners getting good sleep , managing pain , mastering challenging times , healing program and spiritual awakening and transformative experience programs those are very powerful . Very powerful because I know how important sleep is .
I know people think , oh , I get five hours , that's all I need . But sleep I mean sleep in itself is restorative , but having a program that helps people get a better and deeper sleep , it could be hugely impactful in so many ways that we just don't know about . So , wow , you have some fantastic things .
I want to encourage everyone to click on the links in the show page , go to her website and also take a look at her YouTube channel as well . Find out more about the work that Susan does . It is truly transformative and groundbreaking .
I think there aren't that many practitioners out there who are doing this kind of work , especially with your kind of background , susan . So thank you so much for being here with us on the Bible Living Podcast .
Thank you so much , and I'm so grateful for the work you're doing too .
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