[SPEAKER_13]: Hello, and welcome to useful today. [SPEAKER_13]: It's Monday morning where we watch the Sunday morning news shows so that you do not have to. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm Kate Helper. [SPEAKER_24]: I'm Erin Maxie, a good Monday morning everybody. [SPEAKER_24]: Great to start the week with you and some of the worst people on corporate. [SPEAKER_24]: Our website is usefulityitspycast.com. [SPEAKER_24]: Go there to support the show and get bonus content.
[SPEAKER_13]: And, uh, wow, we should be calling this episode, um, morning cave. [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, I couldn't think of a good, uh, clever way to call it that, but that's definitely what we're going to be exposing today. [SPEAKER_13]: The Dems. [SPEAKER_13]: Paving. [SPEAKER_24]: It's a very shut down heavy show. [SPEAKER_24]: The, uh, Democrats or a group of Democrats in the Senate reached a deal with the Republicans to end the shutdown.
[SPEAKER_24]: And a lot of people are mad about that because what did Democrats get for this prolonged shutdown? [SPEAKER_24]: Nothing. [SPEAKER_24]: They got a promise from the Republicans to have a vote on extending the healthcare subsidies that Democrats fought this over. [SPEAKER_24]: They shut down the government over this. [SPEAKER_24]: and all they're getting is a measly vote that will likely fail. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and it's interesting because you have all these like centers.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, you have near a tandem opposing this and you have met a madaglacy is opposing this. [SPEAKER_13]: So this is not just your normal kind of like, uh, damn, damn punching people like you and me who are opposing this, but people who usually punch at us for punching at Dems.
[SPEAKER_24]: Yes, everyone's punching at the center stems, including Chuck Schumer, who would like pretends to be against this shutdown deal, he's like, I can't, you know, I'm going to keep fighting, but he obviously knew about it. [SPEAKER_24]: He approved it. [SPEAKER_24]: And we're going to see how obvious it is from some eclipse. [SPEAKER_24]: But listen, I'm going to say, [SPEAKER_24]: Look, I try to stay out of domestic politics up, it's not my forte.
[SPEAKER_24]: But listen, you know, I'm actually not sure if this is such a horrible thing. [SPEAKER_24]: Like, you're dealing with a Republican to our sociopaths who are so hostile to working people, to vulnerable people, that literally, [SPEAKER_24]: On Friday, they went to court and to like challenge a court ruling that they pay snap benefits, food assistance benefits. [SPEAKER_24]: And they did all they could to like not even pay those benefits out, even though they have the funds to do it.
[SPEAKER_24]: So you're dealing with sociopaths who are like holding one group of vulnerable people hostage because they refuse to to cave. [SPEAKER_24]: Like, I don't know, what are you supposed to do with these people? [SPEAKER_24]: Especially if they don't care about working [SPEAKER_24]: health care premiums going up. [SPEAKER_24]: And so I'm not sure if there was a path actually to this succeeding, you know, so we'll explore this.
[SPEAKER_24]: But I just, I don't know what you want to do with people who are just sociopaths. [SPEAKER_13]: Right. [SPEAKER_13]: Well, you know what, you know what, for me, it's a shorthand for this is the wrong thing to do. [SPEAKER_13]: One of the eight Democrats who broke the line inside of it with Republicans, guess who wanted those Democrats includes. [SPEAKER_24]: Well, I know here think of it's John Fetterman. [SPEAKER_24]: So you're reflexively understanding that John Fetterman does.
[SPEAKER_24]: Well, I understand that position. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, yeah, call it the Fetterman Flex. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm not ashamed. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: And you know, a lot of people call me mad at me. [SPEAKER_13]: They think I'm a total Bernie, Bernie Bro, Bernie Defender. [SPEAKER_13]: But you know, and they get mad. [SPEAKER_13]: They think he's caved, and he's been bad on the genocide. [SPEAKER_13]: And we've definitely talked about that.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's also against it, and he's definitely, you know, someone who is better on this stuff than Fetterman. [SPEAKER_13]: So Fetterman is for Bernie's against it, and most of the other people who are for are pretty centrist. [SPEAKER_13]: And yeah, so I think it's I think I'm confident, even though it's it's like, you know, you said it's not your lane. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm confident it was the wrong thing to do.
[SPEAKER_13]: And again, when you have consensus among people like Bernie Sanders and New York, and then to me, that's a good side that it was the that is mistake. [SPEAKER_24]: Well, again, I go back to the fact that Republicans are so stubborn. [SPEAKER_24]: And. [SPEAKER_24]: they don't care about working people so that they were willing to let health care subsidies increase and they also were willing to starve and you know, did I food to people on food assistance?
[SPEAKER_24]: And that's the situation. [SPEAKER_24]: I just don't know what you're supposed to. [SPEAKER_24]: I do think the point was made that as Republicans that are blocking [SPEAKER_24]: healthcare subsidies and that they don't care about vulnerable people and I just don't know in that situation. [SPEAKER_24]: What you're supposed to do because ultimately you like you're putting one group of and this is a problem.
[SPEAKER_24]: You're doing like you're putting one group of vulnerable people against another. [SPEAKER_24]: So you're putting 42 million people who need food assistance versus about 20 million people who need healthcare subsidies.
[SPEAKER_24]: So in that situation like who's to say that it's okay to continue this and like if I saw if I met someone who's on [SPEAKER_24]: And I'm not going to make the case them sorry, you have to keep going hungry because we have to win this fight over healthcare like it just it's tough. [SPEAKER_24]: And this is the situation that you're in when you're ruled by sociopaths literal sociopaths. [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, you know, there's another aspect that we can get into another point, but it is Sean McCarthy tweeted out Democrats cave because they didn't want Trump to nuke the filibuster. [SPEAKER_13]: because then they'd have to actually do something next time they take power, maybe the most useful political party in all of recorded history. [SPEAKER_13]: That's a whole other issue, the role of the the fellow buster, which is true. [SPEAKER_11]: All right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, and they also, it was also another thing they did it right after the elections. [SPEAKER_13]: That's not that's no coincidence. [SPEAKER_13]: So this to me actually proves that it wasn't for the sake of the people because if that were true, they would have not waited until after the election. [SPEAKER_13]: They wait until after the election because they knew this wasn't going to be popular. [SPEAKER_24]: Well, sure, and everyone does that.
[SPEAKER_24]: Republicans in cutting Medicaid, for example, they schedule a lot of the cuts to happen after the mid-terms. [SPEAKER_24]: So because they don't want to face the consequences of their policies before the voters. [SPEAKER_24]: All right, well, listen, so we have a lot to cover. [SPEAKER_24]: We're going to cover the before the shutdown deal was reached in the aftermath. [SPEAKER_24]: We have a lot of clips to get to.
[SPEAKER_24]: So let's start with our weekly recap from Meet the Depression. [SPEAKER_13]: the Sunday afternoon shutdown deal was was was reached and they were also blaming Republicans another reason this was stupid to cave. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: Good Sunday morning, urgent negotiations to reopen the federal government and end the longest shutdown in U.S. history are underway here in Washington after 40 days.
[SPEAKER_07]: The impact is causing chaos at the nation's busiest airports and food banks are struggling to meet demands. [SPEAKER_07]: Senate Democrats now say they'll vote to reopen the government in exchange for a one year extension of the Obamacare Health Insurance subsidies set to expire this year. [SPEAKER_24]: Well, that was dropped pretty fast. [SPEAKER_24]: So that was our position Sunday morning. [SPEAKER_24]: Okay, fine.
[SPEAKER_24]: We'll reopen the government if you give this a one year extension of the Obamacore subsidies. [SPEAKER_24]: By Sunday afternoon now, we know that was gone. [SPEAKER_24]: And all they got were the promised for a vote. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: The subsidies which we'll fail. [SPEAKER_13]: Right, exactly. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, it was all for not.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's just politically very stupid because again, I said, as I just mentioned, but I wasn't very clear about who I was talking about, voters weren't blaming or publicants for this. [SPEAKER_07]: Republicans have so far rejected the proposal. [SPEAKER_07]: After elections this week where Democrats won big in Virginia, New Jersey and New York, the issue of rising costs and affordability ranks as one of the top issues for voters.
[SPEAKER_20]: If you can boil down the theme of Tuesday's elections, down to one word, it was affordability. [SPEAKER_02]: And for me, it was Israel because I refuse to endorse the candidate in my own city, right the one who ran the most on affordability, yes, more than anyone else. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it was affordability, but for me because of Israel, I wasn't able to actually get behind the affordability candidate.
[SPEAKER_13]: But anyway, don't pay attention to that. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: Republicans absolutely whiffed on that by focusing on everything but affordability. [SPEAKER_24]: So did you, sir, okay, because you're guy in your city, you're candidate, Zoram Mabdani, he centered affordability and you were fused to endorse him. [SPEAKER_24]: How he has, like, I understand there's, you know, Chuck Schermers noticed like a savvy behind the scenes operator.
[SPEAKER_24]: I don't know, and like, [SPEAKER_24]: the early 2000s in 1990s, like, okay, sure, I'm sure he was, but 2025, sorry, the guy is just, I think everyone agrees no matter where you are in the spectrum, the Democratic Party, like, that he's not a good leader. [SPEAKER_24]: We can, people can agree on that now.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: This guy who also said, who was like in the 2016 election where, you know, for every working class, for every blue collar voter, we lose in Western Pennsylvania, will pick up two to three, moderate Republicans in the suburbs, blah, blah, blah, okay. [SPEAKER_24]: So how did that work? [SPEAKER_24]: I'll breathe. [SPEAKER_24]: You know, come on. [SPEAKER_24]: That alone should have been to qualify for Chuck Schumer's leadership.
[SPEAKER_24]: But it wasn't after that he was made the leader of the Democratic Party in the Senate and here we are. [SPEAKER_13]: It's so ridiculous. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: And by the way, I mean, the fact that they, this victory on Tuesday night on the message of not just affordability, but fighting against Trump right after that, this is when the Democrats gave. [SPEAKER_20]: In fact, Republicans have governed all year like Drunk and Sailors.
[SPEAKER_15]: And we are the ones that have done a great job in Florida, and not the Democrats, and yet we just lost a couple of elections. [SPEAKER_07]: And joining me now is the House [SPEAKER_24]: All right, well, that's right, Trump there is complaining that he's not getting enough credit for all he's done on affordability to the point where and and check this out. [SPEAKER_24]: This is a clip from last week. [SPEAKER_24]: He literally called the issue of affordability.
[SPEAKER_24]: A con job. [SPEAKER_24]: This is this is Trump. [SPEAKER_15]: So that would mean that the whole series of pricing and costs, you know, the grocery is everything else. [SPEAKER_15]: It was a conge up, it was a conge up, before the ability they call it was a conge up by the Democrats. [SPEAKER_15]: The Democrats are good at a few things, cheating on elections and conning people with facts that aren't true. [SPEAKER_24]: facts aren't true.
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[SPEAKER_24]: So, well, fashion groceries, he wants to marital with that. [SPEAKER_13]: Beautiful, and all that. [SPEAKER_24]: So, that wasn't a con job when he did it by his definition. [SPEAKER_24]: But when Democrats not talk about the continued high cost of groceries, that's a con job.
[SPEAKER_24]: And the problem with that is like, you know, people have made this point like you can invent stories about like undocumented immigrants, you know, eating the cats eating the dogs, you can fear longer about migrants and, you know, gangs and all that stuff, but you can't tell people that like affordability is a con job when the prices at the grocery store are higher or the same as there were under what you just can't do that.
[SPEAKER_13]: and according to even government data, like as in the government of Donald Trump, consumer prices are up 3% in the last year. [SPEAKER_24]: And what was the main knock on Democrats during Biden's inflation years? [SPEAKER_24]: It was that they weren't acknowledging people's pain and they were saying, all like things are fine. [SPEAKER_24]: Well, guess what? [SPEAKER_24]: This is exactly what the Trump administration is doing.
[SPEAKER_24]: So here is the director of the National Economic Council, Kevin Hassett. [SPEAKER_22]: grocery prices are actually down significantly under Trump. [SPEAKER_22]: But here's the thing. [SPEAKER_09]: Depends on what we look like. [SPEAKER_22]: Let me, I just make a point. [SPEAKER_22]: If you look at the real reduction in spending power for Americans under Joe Biden, then it went down about $3,000 because we had up to 9% inflation and then they went to the grocery store.
[SPEAKER_22]: They couldn't buy. [SPEAKER_22]: the things they're used to buy. [SPEAKER_22]: The real spending power adjusted for inflation under President Trump has gone up about $1,200 so far this year. [SPEAKER_22]: $1,200 is not $3,000. [SPEAKER_22]: And so people are right to feel stretched, but we're making progress.
[SPEAKER_22]: And if you look at all the things the positive [SPEAKER_22]: So it thinks about the economy, industrial production, just about it at all type high, capital spending, about it at all type high, GDP growth right now, about 4%, then that shows that the income growth that we need to get it more affordability is on the path to happening. [SPEAKER_22]: And the bottom line is that the last consumer price index surprised down. [SPEAKER_22]: It was lower than expected.
[SPEAKER_22]: And it was actually would have been better than that because there was a refinery shutdown that caused it to go slightly higher. [SPEAKER_22]: So we see inflation under control and the economy booming. [SPEAKER_22]: But we understand a hundred percent why people are still hurting because we haven't made up all the room that was lost on a Joe Biden. [SPEAKER_22]: All right. [SPEAKER_13]: All right. [SPEAKER_22]: The voices are all right. [SPEAKER_13]: He lied.
[SPEAKER_13]: She started to interrupt him and he was like, let me finish. [SPEAKER_13]: She should have blocked him and responded right away and said he's lying because again, prices have risen. [SPEAKER_13]: Food prices were 3.1% in the last year.
[SPEAKER_13]: And it's been predicted that, and again, this is from from the government, it's predicted that it'll rise again by 3% the next year and Biden's last year's president prices only rose by 2.3%. [SPEAKER_13]: It was a lot bigger the first year because of the pandemic though, but in the last year, it was only rose by 2.3%. [SPEAKER_13]: So flying liars. [SPEAKER_13]: All right, well, it sounds like he needs to blow his nose doesn't he sounds stuffed up.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's take a decompression or something. [SPEAKER_24]: Well, um, so Trump is calling affordability a con job. [SPEAKER_24]: What else is he doing? [SPEAKER_24]: He's also saying, hey, guess what? [SPEAKER_24]: I'm going to send you a $2,000 dividend check from my tariffs because I'm making so much money off tariffs.
[SPEAKER_24]: This is what this is one of Trump's recent posts, as we said, [SPEAKER_24]: people that are against terrorist or fools, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_24]: I dividend at least $2,000 a person, not including high income people, will be paid to everyone. [SPEAKER_24]: Wow, so, okay, people are struggling, government shut down, but guess what everyone, everything gonna get a $2,000 check. [SPEAKER_24]: uh, from all the money he's raised from his dividends.
[SPEAKER_24]: Uh, and again, I sure he's inflating the amount of money that those, those tariffs have actually, everyone's going to get money from, uh, how much money his tariffs have raised. [SPEAKER_24]: And I'm sure he's inflating the number that he's raised. [SPEAKER_24]: Anyway, so he's promising $2,000 to everyone, but guess what, that's actually not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_24]: This is, uh, Trump's secretary, treasury secretary Scott Best had [SPEAKER_23]: You know, it could, the 2000 dollar dividend could come in lots of forms and lots of waste storage. [SPEAKER_23]: You know, it could be just the, the tax decreases that we are seeing on the president's agenda. [SPEAKER_23]: You know, no tax and tips and a tax on overtime, no tax and so security, the ductibility of all the loans. [SPEAKER_24]: Because it's not how it works.
[SPEAKER_24]: If you're promising everyone a $2,000 check, you don't get to say, yeah, okay, the $2,000 will come in the form of things we previously promised, they don't even apply to everybody. [SPEAKER_24]: So for example, not everybody makes tips. [SPEAKER_24]: In fact, the majority of the population doesn't make tips. [SPEAKER_24]: And the tax cuts disproportionately benefited the ultra wealthy.
[SPEAKER_24]: So basically, he's saying that the thing that Trump just promised you [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's one of Trump's like, kind of, Tourette's a moment where he just says something. [SPEAKER_13]: That's not actually backed up. [SPEAKER_13]: And then his people have to like walk it back. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: It's very bite-a-ness, because Biden also promised checks like, yeah, as soon as I get an office, we'll get those checks out the door, and of course, that didn't happen.
[SPEAKER_24]: That's not happened. [SPEAKER_24]: Another new Trump play, you know, I got to say something. [SPEAKER_13]: I want to give Biden credit. [SPEAKER_13]: Trump gets all the credit for lying, but we should remember that Biden lied a lot too. [SPEAKER_13]: And I feel like you never got enough credit for that. [SPEAKER_13]: Remember, like there was a Trump lie tracker in the Washington Post, then they stopped that once Biden got into office.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's an on hung an unsung hero of lying. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, well, I mean, look, he's, you could argue that, you know, Biden is a pathological liar. [SPEAKER_24]: I mean, he lied throughout his political career. [SPEAKER_24]: He had to drop his 1988 presidential campaign because he was caught lying about his past and plagiarizing a, like, a British politics, our Scottish politicians, they're sure Biden's got many years in the game.
[SPEAKER_24]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: Okay. [SPEAKER_24]: Another Trump idea was he's like, all right. [SPEAKER_24]: Rather than having health care subsidies to insurance companies have only just give people money themselves and then they can do what they want with it towards their health care and so here is the White House and actually economic council director Kevin has it on that one. [SPEAKER_09]: it just in the past 36 hours has put out a number of social media posts.
[SPEAKER_09]: It sounds sort of like he's proposing something in regard to health insurance payments. [SPEAKER_09]: He said, I'm recommended to Senate Republicans that hundreds of billions of dollars currently being sent to money sucking insurance companies to save bad health care provided by Obamacare. [SPEAKER_09]: Now be sent to the people so they can purchase their own much better health care.
[SPEAKER_24]: He also said they should terminate [SPEAKER_24]: rather than sitting in the money to money sucking insurance companies, we're going to send a directly to people so that they can buy their own healthcare. [SPEAKER_24]: But who are the people going to buy their healthcare from? [SPEAKER_24]: The money sucking insurance companies. [SPEAKER_24]: Right. [SPEAKER_24]: So it's like what like you're proposing the exact same thing.
[SPEAKER_24]: The problem with the system is you're still subsidizing no matter what you do money sucking insurance companies because we refuse to provide universal healthcare [SPEAKER_13]: why not just offer Medicare for all and that's because the health care executive should donate millions to his cost. [SPEAKER_22]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_22]: What does this alternative system look like because the entire standoff is about health care right well well the president is you know a beautiful tactician a beautiful negotiator and what he says you know that what he said he's brainstorming and trying to help the senate come up with a deal that can get the government open and beautiful it's brilliant what a
[SPEAKER_24]: Yes, yes, but I like just spewing about your crazy random social media posts and this will help move on negotiations along what he's really doing is he's trying to cover up the fact that he has no ideas himself and he's presiding over a shutdown that's really hurting working people right according to Kevin has no disease of beautiful tactician and unfortunately, [SPEAKER_24]: under the new reign of Barry Weiss at CBS news on a guy.
[SPEAKER_24]: CBS has to be even more deferential to the government than they were before, which is like really saying something. [SPEAKER_24]: It's something to the already were. [SPEAKER_24]: But like last week, when Trump did an interview with 60 minutes, which is also owned by CBS, literally he praised Barry Weiss. [SPEAKER_24]: He's like, you have a great new leader at CBS news.
[SPEAKER_24]: So it's like, this is now the new era where CBS news unfortunately has to be even more subservient to the government than the [SPEAKER_13]: What do you think you could do? [SPEAKER_13]: Keep going, yeah. [SPEAKER_22]: Who is conservative? [SPEAKER_22]: Believe that they don't want the government to micromanage people's lives. [SPEAKER_22]: And everybody believes that people should have health care.
[SPEAKER_22]: And so why not take the people who have higher health care premiums and just mail them a check and let them decide. [SPEAKER_24]: The reason why it could have an effect is that they're both... Let them decide what, which profiteering healthcare company to give their money to, which they can't cover the health care that they need. [SPEAKER_24]: That's the point, right?
[SPEAKER_24]: healthcare costs are too high and that's why you have these subsidies under Obamacare is because the market, so much as we love the market, I'm sorry, the market is not helping people get the healthcare that they need. [SPEAKER_24]: So they can't afford it even if they're getting subsidized healthcare. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's yeah, I mean as for as bad as Biden is an Obamacare is this is actually way worse.
[SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, because at least like the Obamacare is something like your helping people [SPEAKER_24]: You're helping people like defray the cost of like these money-sucking insurance companies. [SPEAKER_24]: Trump's idea is just nothing. [SPEAKER_24]: They really have absolutely nothing. [SPEAKER_24]: And he thinks it like basically saying, I'm going to send you a check that that's going to like get people on board.
[SPEAKER_24]: But to do what, to pay for healthcare that is unaffordable and to buy it from the exact same companies that are failing to deliver healthcare for everybody. [SPEAKER_24]: It's just, you know, it makes no sense. [SPEAKER_24]: Okay, let's turn to Senator James Lankford, [SPEAKER_24]: How is he going to help the people in his state who are going to be denied their health care subsidies if Trump has his way?
[SPEAKER_07]: It's worth noting that 80% of the subsidies are actually going to help people who live in states that President Trump did win back in 2024, including 300,000 who live in Oklahoma. [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, should those 300,000 Oklahoma's be prepared for their subsidies to skyrocket or the potentially
[SPEAKER_19]: lose coverage yeah we're trying to find a way to be well but again remember this is not the obama care subsidies this is on top of the obama care subsidy this is the bonus covid plan that democrats put in place in 2021 that they had expiring this year because they literally said this is a covid plus up during the health care emergency well we're saying as if we're going to get back into health care again why are we talking about forty billion dollars just for that
[SPEAKER_19]: 300,000 o'clock homes that are receiving those subsidies, but I've got 4 million o'clock homes total that are struggling into the high cost of health insurance. [SPEAKER_19]: What are we doing for that? [SPEAKER_07]: I think the question. [SPEAKER_24]: What are you doing for that? [SPEAKER_24]: That is the question. [SPEAKER_24]: And look, it's true. [SPEAKER_24]: Some of these subsidies were tacked on under COVID.
[SPEAKER_24]: But whatever you want to call it, that's because the current system is failing people. [SPEAKER_24]: This, like, worship of the so-called free market, which you hand over health care to private, unaccountable tyrannies that are concerned not with, like, delivering health care, but with their own profit margins. [SPEAKER_24]: It's not going to work. [SPEAKER_24]: But the problem is nobody, except for Bernie Sanders. [SPEAKER_24]: will be willing to say, let's have Medicare for all.
[SPEAKER_24]: And so everyone's stuck. [SPEAKER_24]: It's like, either Democrats saying, let's subsidize this like this in practical, unworkable for-profit system. [SPEAKER_24]: And Republicans just being like, like, we don't want to spend the money, you know? [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: And length for the Republicans, like, they're not trying to lower costs. [SPEAKER_13]: They're just fighting tooth and nail to prevent these tax credits from being renewed, which would be helping people.
[SPEAKER_24]: exactly right and never coming up with any kind of alternative proposals to have them they have. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: And the tax credits and subsidies like are what helped reduce insurance costs, right? [SPEAKER_13]: Again, it's not a perfect system or the ACA wasn't a perfect system, but it did help reduce them. [SPEAKER_24]: The whole thing is so silly.
[SPEAKER_24]: Like everyone worships the free market, but yet the best solution they can come up with is like government subsidies of the free market because the free market's not delivering health care to tens of millions of people because the free market cares about, again, profits not covering. [SPEAKER_24]: And of course, the irony is, if you had a Medicare for all system, everyone's cost would be lower because of all the built-in costs of administering a for-profit system.
[SPEAKER_24]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_24]: Complicated this system is that adds all these bureaucratic costs that wouldn't be there if you covered everybody. [SPEAKER_13]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: And there was a time when a bunch of Democrats got on board with Bernie Sanders. [SPEAKER_24]: Remember when even Kamala Harris? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: signed on to Medicare for all during the 2020 primary is because she's trying to win.
[SPEAKER_24]: And then what did she do when she ran for president? [SPEAKER_11]: She did. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: The vice president had no longer sports Medicare for all. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: So there was a brief window when Bernie had some momentum, but even now, a lot of Democrats have jumped ship because again, they're listening to their donors, not their voters. [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: And again, no one could talk about like, even now, I can't think of one thing that [SPEAKER_24]: I can she ran on, you know, lowering the cost of buying a home. [SPEAKER_24]: I think that was one of she had one thing on that. [SPEAKER_24]: Okay. [SPEAKER_24]: I think correct me if I'm wrong. [SPEAKER_24]: But yeah, that was a tough campaign. [SPEAKER_24]: That was a tough campaign. [SPEAKER_24]: She did run on making the US Army even more lethal.
[SPEAKER_24]: Okay. [SPEAKER_24]: She had that one. [SPEAKER_24]: And also not letting Palestinian speak at the D&C. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_13]: And not distinguishing herself from Biden. [SPEAKER_24]: Yes, that was great, yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: Okay, for centrist who are upset by the victory of progress of Zarmum Donny in New York City, they were really excited by the victory of Abigail Spamberger in Virginia.
[SPEAKER_24]: They're hoping the cheese sort of like the standard bear for the party, not some like Zarmum Donny. [SPEAKER_24]: And this was her message on the shutdown, shortly before the shutdown deal was reached.
[SPEAKER_09]: Then you're both one of the highest numbers of federal workers in the country, and as you know many of them are not getting paid, you know, some in your party look at your election on Tuesday and the win in New Jersey and say that is permission to hold the line in Congress and refuse to fund the government or fold on the shutdown should congressional Democrats view your victory that way. [SPEAKER_08]: absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_08]: Our victory was a victory that was based on a campaign that was how I cannot believe she's saying this out loud. [SPEAKER_13]: She's like so this was a given people permission giving you permission to hold the line at fight Trump, right? [SPEAKER_13]: She's like absolutely net. [SPEAKER_13]: Absolutely [SPEAKER_13]: Just listen to this again, what she says. [SPEAKER_09]: Hold on.
[SPEAKER_09]: Congress and refuse to fund in New Jersey and say that is permission to hold the line in Congress and refuse to fund the government or fold on the shutdown. [SPEAKER_09]: Should congressional Democrats view your victory that way? [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely not. [SPEAKER_08]: Our victory was a victory that was based on a campaign that was addressing concerns related to costs and chaos.
[SPEAKER_08]: My campaign across the past two years have been focused on hearing the challenges that people are facing all across Virginia. [SPEAKER_08]: It's rising costs in healthcare housing, energy, and it's the chaos coming out of Washington that has been impacting Virginia so severely, beginning with the doge efforts, of course, continuing with chaotic trade policies, and now in this government shutdown, Virginians need to, and Virginians want to see the government reopen.
[SPEAKER_08]: And my expectation is that we will see a [SPEAKER_09]: but should congressional Democrats open the government and then talk about health care? [SPEAKER_08]: The government needs to open and it needs to open immediately. [SPEAKER_08]: We need the president to demonstrate leadership, bringing people together, endeavoring to get through whatever negotiations need to get through whether it's before or after. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, he's definitely gonna do that.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, that's a good thing to rely on. [SPEAKER_08]: after. [SPEAKER_08]: My priority is focusing on the needs and the devastation, frankly, that more than 300,000 Virginians are facing. [SPEAKER_08]: And that's just the federal employees, government contractors, they will never get made whole. [SPEAKER_08]: The entirety of Virginia's economy is impacted by the shutdown just as we've been impacted by dose attacks. [SPEAKER_08]: And the government needs to reopen quickly.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I mean, I kind of admire how she just owns no don't don't don't think of this as a referendum as permission to actually fight Trump, you know, it's it's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_13]: She's not representing the base, like even just according to the Kaiser family foundation 74% of US adults overall say Congress should extend the enhanced tax credits for people who purchase their own insurance through ACA marketplace about three times the share who say Congress should let these critics expire. [SPEAKER_13]: So yeah, she's not in touch with the people, she's just in touch with, I guess, like folding and caving. [SPEAKER_24]: All right.
[SPEAKER_24]: Well, let's turn to Democratic house leader. [SPEAKER_24]: I came Jeffrey. [SPEAKER_24]: Oh my gosh. [SPEAKER_24]: He now has to deal with the fact that in his own hometown, the people have elected a [SPEAKER_24]: progressive mayor who centers affordability and also believes Palestinians are human beings, everything that had came jepres, what does not believe? [SPEAKER_24]: And so how was, and he jepres waited till the very last minute to endorse our mom, Donnie.
[SPEAKER_24]: And it's still not very gung-ho about his victory. [SPEAKER_24]: So let's hear how he's taking the new era of Zara, Mom, Donnie in New York City. [SPEAKER_04]: prioritizing the wealthy the well off in the balcony. [SPEAKER_07]: Two quick questions, lightning, round mayor, Alexa, and Mamdanie, one big in New York City. [SPEAKER_07]: He's just coming into city hall, having made ambitious promises. [SPEAKER_07]: Let's take a listen to what he said on election night.
[SPEAKER_21]: Together, New York, we're going to freeze up. [SPEAKER_21]: Together, New York. [SPEAKER_21]: We're going to make buses fast and free. [SPEAKER_21]: Together, New York. [SPEAKER_21]: We're going to deliver universal. [SPEAKER_21]: Child care. [SPEAKER_07]: So frozen rent free buses universal child care. [SPEAKER_07]: Do you believe that he can deliver on those promises very quickly, leader Jeffries?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, he's going to have to work with the rank guidelines board and probably more importantly with the governor of the state of New York and the state legislature in order to enact those proposals. [SPEAKER_04]: But I do expect that the legislature, of course, and the governor are going to meet him in good faith, try to negotiate a path forward. [SPEAKER_04]: But it's all centered around the notion of making New York City more affordable.
[SPEAKER_04]: which is of course what we have to do throughout America in a country that's far too expensive is the wealthiest country in the history of the world. [SPEAKER_04]: It's unacceptable that far too many people are struggling to live paycheck to paycheck. [SPEAKER_13]: Later Jeffrey is quickly before I let you go. [SPEAKER_13]: Again, just manages to say nothing. [SPEAKER_24]: What are reading endorsement of Zoran's real moderate policies?
[SPEAKER_24]: Again, like, you know, Zoran is like, attacked as a communist bubble of his policies are incredibly moderate. [SPEAKER_24]: Universal child care free buses and freezing the rent in rent stable as apartments. [SPEAKER_24]: And it keeps you after he's like, well, we'll have to meet with the governor. [SPEAKER_24]: See what they can do. [SPEAKER_24]: Good luck. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, my god, the governor Kathy Hockel, who just gave a speech.
[SPEAKER_13]: I can't remember what they were cheering for, something very good. [SPEAKER_13]: She literally said, like, well, you know how I am. [SPEAKER_13]: The more that you push me to do something, the less likely I am to do it. [SPEAKER_13]: Like, okay, so that makes you a bad governor, literally. [SPEAKER_13]: That's not how you work. [SPEAKER_13]: You're supposed to represent the people, not be spiteful.
[SPEAKER_24]: The more you ask me to, [SPEAKER_24]: be democratic, we'll be a dictator, right? [SPEAKER_24]: That's what he's basically saying. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, and again, Jeffrey says, like, we have to make the country more affordable, it's not totally right, like yes, it's a major problem. [SPEAKER_24]: Anyway, it comes to this actual concrete proposal to increase affordability. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, I'm not going to go ahead and endorse that, but good luck. [SPEAKER_13]: Good luck.
[SPEAKER_24]: Good luck. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, I wish him well. [SPEAKER_24]: I hope the rent board talks to him in good faith. [SPEAKER_24]: I'm sure he'll go well. [SPEAKER_24]: Um, yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: All right. [SPEAKER_24]: Well, uh, air travel. [SPEAKER_24]: Look, it's one of the consequences of the shutdown is that canceled a lot of flights. [SPEAKER_24]: And, uh, it's, that's especially I'm going to say ahead of the, you know, Thanksgiving holiday where when travels at a record high.
[SPEAKER_24]: So here is, uh, Trump's transportation secretary, Sean Duffy, on, uh, what's ahead for air travel if the government continues to shut down? [SPEAKER_01]: It's your question. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to get worse. [SPEAKER_01]: I look to the two weeks before Thanksgiving, you're going to see air travel be reduced to a trickle. [SPEAKER_01]: We have a number of people who want to get home for the holidays. [SPEAKER_01]: They want to see their family.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to celebrate the squid American holiday. [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, many of them are not going to be able to get on an airplane. [SPEAKER_24]: Wow. [SPEAKER_24]: I mean, such a dysfunctional country where you've all this wealth, [SPEAKER_24]: You know, total, total secure, like there's no war going on like threatening the US, but yet you can't even keep the government open and you can't even let people travel on the busiest holiday of the year.
[SPEAKER_24]: Now granted, the looks that they finally like reached a deal to avert that. [SPEAKER_24]: But the fact that we're even in this position, the fact that you're having incidents happen and like work, you know, there was a plant, there was a flight recently [SPEAKER_24]: It's such an indictment and all this, all these resources going into war and tax cuts, not in building infrastructure and putting all these people in limbo for the holidays.
[SPEAKER_24]: It's just so, it's honest, of course, just such dysfunction. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it really does. [SPEAKER_13]: And again, if the Democrats had held the line and there were these travel disruptions, the Republicans would have been blamed. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, well, let's get more into that. [SPEAKER_24]: Let's get ahead to Senator Angus King.
[SPEAKER_24]: He is one of the senators who caved and made this deal with the Republicans to open up the government again in exchange for getting a vote of vote on extending health care subsidies that we'll surely fail. [SPEAKER_24]: And he went on, MSNBC this morning and explained why he made the deal. [SPEAKER_12]: to go back to what this strategy was at the beginning of the shutdown. [SPEAKER_12]: There were two goals, both of which I support, one was standing up to Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_12]: The other was getting some resolution on the ACA premium tax credit issue. [SPEAKER_12]: The problem was the shutdown wasn't accomplishing either goals and there was practically, well, it was zero likelihood that it was going to. [SPEAKER_12]: In terms of standing up to Donald Trump, the shutdown actually gave him more power, Exhibit A, being what he's done with snap and snap benefits across the country. [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, by the way, Joe, you're going to love this.
[SPEAKER_12]: Guess who's getting paid during the shutdown? [SPEAKER_12]: Not not not the park rangers or air traffic controllers, the ice agents. [SPEAKER_12]: under a special law of the under that big awful bill that they passed last summer. [SPEAKER_12]: The ice agents are being paid. [SPEAKER_12]: Nobody else is. [SPEAKER_12]: So standing up to Donald Trump didn't work. [SPEAKER_12]: It actually gave him more power. [SPEAKER_24]: That's a bad line standing up the Donald Trump team.
[SPEAKER_13]: I know, I want to say run on that. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: I mean, that's our good line. [SPEAKER_13]: And what's this metric for not working? [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, the Democrats smash the midterm. [SPEAKER_13]: A majority of Americans blame the Republicans. [SPEAKER_13]: Prop 50, which fought the redistricting efforts by redistricting California in favor of the Democrats won in a landslide.
[SPEAKER_13]: Which is it directly like that bill literally directly stood up to Trump's actions. [SPEAKER_13]: Mom donny one and he smashed the status quo. [SPEAKER_13]: So the way they won was by standing up to Trump. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, I have to slightly disagree. [SPEAKER_24]: The problem is again, as Senator King pointed out there, you know, this in some ways in power Trump to do things he wanted to do like for example, he was able to I don't even know this.
[SPEAKER_24]: There were to pay ice agents to people kidnapping. [SPEAKER_24]: undocumented immigrants, attacking people, but not air traffic controllers. [SPEAKER_24]: And Trump was also able to hold SNAP, you know, food assistance hostage to the point where even after a court ordered him to pay those benefits, he fought it. [SPEAKER_24]: And he told states not to comply. [SPEAKER_24]: And so in that situation, like you're you're pitting vulnerable people against vulnerable people.
[SPEAKER_24]: And I'm sorry, I just don't think you can you can dismiss that. [SPEAKER_24]: Like, [SPEAKER_24]: as a politician, you're still responsible for the for the consequences of your choices. [SPEAKER_24]: And if one consequences continuing to deny food assistance to people, even if it's Donald Trump's fault, I mean, you still hurt.
[SPEAKER_13]: But you really think it's a coincidence that like, most of the worse, like a bunch of centrist, you really think like a bunch of centrist dams are more in touch with [SPEAKER_13]: I just don't think that. [SPEAKER_24]: But I can't make political decisions based on who's supporting what it's about, just like, what is the right thing to do?
[SPEAKER_24]: And I'm sorry, like, what am I going to, if I'm a politician, and I have to face someone who's on snap, who's not getting it, what do I tell them, sorry, you have to, you and your family have to go with that food because we need these health care subsidies for [SPEAKER_13]: Millions of other people, you know, most 80 this is a relevant stat 81% of Democrats believe that Democrats should quote refuse this is a Kaiser family pull from earlier this month.
[SPEAKER_13]: Most Democrats believe Democrats should refuse to approve a budget unless it includes extending these tax credits even if it means the government remains shut down independence are split. [SPEAKER_13]: But 51% say dam should refuse to open without healthcare or concession. [SPEAKER_13]: So even independence agree. [SPEAKER_13]: So I think it's bad politics. [SPEAKER_13]: I think it's bad policy. [SPEAKER_13]: People are going to suffer more.
[SPEAKER_13]: And actually, Wilson, can you show this AOC tweet? [SPEAKER_13]: I thought this was an important point. [SPEAKER_13]: Because I'm not dismissing what you're saying here in a bad human suffering. [SPEAKER_13]: But let's just show this AOC tweet. [SPEAKER_13]: The average monthly SNAP benefit is 177 a person. [SPEAKER_13]: The average ACA benefit is up to 550 a person per month. [SPEAKER_13]: People want to still hold the line for a reason.
[SPEAKER_13]: This is not a matter of appealing to a base. [SPEAKER_13]: It's a bad people's lives. [SPEAKER_13]: Working people want leaders whose words mean something. [SPEAKER_24]: But again, the problem is you have no, like, you hold the line and then what? [SPEAKER_24]: Are there Republicans who are so sociopathic? [SPEAKER_24]: and and cave on their refusal to extend the healthcare subsidies. [SPEAKER_24]: Like part of this I think was just trumping so stubborn.
[SPEAKER_24]: He didn't want to like give Democrats anything. [SPEAKER_24]: And him and his friends are really wealthy. [SPEAKER_24]: They're not impacted by these policies. [SPEAKER_24]: I don't think they cared if people go without. [SPEAKER_13]: If there's major political pain, that's what makes. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, he doesn't care morally speaking. [SPEAKER_13]: But if he's losing, I mean, Trump is above all an opportunist, right?
[SPEAKER_13]: So that's what he responds to is his popularity. [SPEAKER_13]: I think. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, well, listen, it'd be a gamble is what I'm saying is like you be gambling that Trump would eventually feel so pressure that he would cave on these healthcare subsidies, which he had refused to do by people suffering, given. [SPEAKER_24]: that he's just such a sociopath. [SPEAKER_24]: I just don't see him doing that. [SPEAKER_24]: So I don't know what the end game was.
[SPEAKER_24]: I think it was worth the good. [SPEAKER_24]: I think it was worth a try. [SPEAKER_24]: But I just, I don't know. [SPEAKER_24]: I'm not prepared to say that like this was because again, there's going to be a vote now and Republicans will reject these health care subsidies. [SPEAKER_24]: So they will still own the pain that they're causing anyway. [SPEAKER_24]: So it's like, I don't think they're actually letting Trump off the hook here.
[SPEAKER_24]: I just don't, again, [SPEAKER_24]: If I face somebody on the snap, I just have a hard time telling them, sorry, you have to keep going without food. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but now you'll face people without healthcare coverage, so. [SPEAKER_24]: Except I couldn't tell I couldn't guarantee to them that they would have gotten their healthcare coverage if they'd kept holding the one, you know, listen, it's all, you know, it's. [SPEAKER_24]: It's all a gamble. [SPEAKER_24]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_24]: People want a party to fight and I just don't want it. [SPEAKER_24]: I just can't. [SPEAKER_24]: I guess I'm not going to dismiss as a complete cave. [SPEAKER_24]: I think there's an argument for it. [SPEAKER_24]: And look, we'll see what happens once there is this vote. [SPEAKER_24]: Whether Republicans will pay the price for that. [SPEAKER_24]: I think they will. [SPEAKER_24]: I think they will.
[SPEAKER_24]: When they're voting against, [SPEAKER_24]: helping people who need healthcare benefits and they're basically voting to like kick millions of more people off of healthcare while offering no plan of their own. [SPEAKER_24]: I think that will say something. [SPEAKER_13]: But remember, I mean, protest, yeah, but protest did stop Trump from appealing ACA, his first term. [SPEAKER_13]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_24]: I just think he did it, John McCain, John McCain stopped Trump from appealing ACA. [SPEAKER_24]: John McCain was like the long, when he went and gave the thumbs down, Trump almost got to appeal ACA. [SPEAKER_24]: But, and John McCain, because he, you know, for whatever reason, probably was personal animus with Trump. [SPEAKER_24]: He ultimately, [SPEAKER_24]: you know, was the deciding vote and failing to repeal.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right, but that was also probably, yes, that and and protest, I would say, but yeah, McCain did have a, did have a role. [SPEAKER_24]: Okay, let's skip ahead to Senator Jean Shaheen. [SPEAKER_24]: She went on Fox News this morning, explained why she caved and made the shutdown do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you give us an idea and our viewers an idea what happened behind the scenes to have you Senator King, King, Angus King, Catherine, more Cortez, Masto Jackie Rosen and John Fetterman as well as Maggie Asson and Dick Durbin all come together to get to the 63rd Sheldt. [SPEAKER_00]: Can you bring us behind the scenes for that?
[SPEAKER_17]: Well, there had been discussions going on really since the shutdown about how could we work together to, in this, how could we make sure that we can address health care costs for the millions of Americans who are seeing their health care costs rise as the result of the bill that was passed in the summer that the President wanted. [SPEAKER_17]: And so I think this agreement gives us an opportunity to continue to do that work.
[SPEAKER_17]: We're going to [SPEAKER_17]: have a vote and I believe there are a number of Republicans who are going to join us in trying to address healthcare costs for Americans, but we're also turning the government back on, we're making sure that. [SPEAKER_24]: So she's confident that enough Republicans will join Democrats in addressing healthcare costs. [SPEAKER_24]: I'm going to go ahead and predict that's not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: I'm going to predict that's definitely not going to happen. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: It's also relevant and interesting that the first channel that she went on, first network that she went on was Fox. [SPEAKER_13]: Talks new down. [SPEAKER_24]: Okay. [SPEAKER_24]: Well, so that's Jean Jean. [SPEAKER_24]: And that's, those are the Democrats.
[SPEAKER_24]: Now, the Republicans still have a problem. [SPEAKER_24]: Okay. [SPEAKER_24]: So you guys refuse to [SPEAKER_24]: you even went to court to deny people their food assistance benefits just to keep the government shut down and to keep holding the line and denying you know healthcare subsidies to people.
[SPEAKER_24]: But what do you have an offer like what what what what what are you actually going to do to address people's health care needs in the fact that millions of people are about to have their premiums increased because of you. [SPEAKER_24]: Well, Dr. Mehmed Oz, who is in Trump's cabinet, he [SPEAKER_24]: TV host, I'm sure in that position, you know, really, really well qualified for that job.
[SPEAKER_24]: He went on, he went on Fox Business to talk about, okay, this is the Republican agenda. [SPEAKER_24]: This is the Republican plan for healthcare. [SPEAKER_06]: The full counter proposal, continuing resolution rolls back the Medicaid savings up one and a half trillion. [SPEAKER_06]: The Republicans are never going to go for that. [SPEAKER_06]: So give a thought on how you want to see this play out once these subsidies do expire this year.
[SPEAKER_14]: You always ask the right questions, Marie. [SPEAKER_14]: So I spent a good part of the week and with the White House working on exactly the answer to that question. [SPEAKER_14]: We have lots of great ideas, but I don't want to show our cards. [SPEAKER_14]: As the president often says, why would I telegraph you? [SPEAKER_14]: What we're gonna do? [SPEAKER_14]: We have to have an open government. [SPEAKER_14]: I need by top people around to be able to navigate the right solutions.
[SPEAKER_14]: We will support the American people we always have. [SPEAKER_14]: We wouldn't do it in the right responsible way. [SPEAKER_14]: If we don't, it'll implode. [SPEAKER_14]: If we hadn't fixed Medicaid with the one big beautiful bill, it would collapse under the weight of its increasing expense. [SPEAKER_14]: There was a 50% increase in Medicaid spending in the last five years since the COVID pandemic started. [SPEAKER_14]: We're at peace. [SPEAKER_14]: There's no virus.
[SPEAKER_24]: We've got to reset it. [SPEAKER_24]: It's such a lie. [SPEAKER_24]: It's such a lie. [SPEAKER_24]: If we hadn't cut [SPEAKER_24]: Medicaid, it would have collapsed. [SPEAKER_24]: It's such an absolute lie. [SPEAKER_24]: Like, like, they keep spending more money on the Pentagon. [SPEAKER_24]: Like, but like does that mean that the Pentagon would have collapsed if they hadn't kept spending more money on it? [SPEAKER_24]: It's such a malicious lie.
[SPEAKER_24]: And then he says, [SPEAKER_24]: When it comes to coming up with a new health care plant, you have no cards, they have no plan, they have absolutely nothing. [SPEAKER_24]: All they can do is point to the dysfunction of the actual of the current system and the fact that the market's so inefficient, we have to keep subsidizing these health care profit tears, but they have no solutions because they don't want to take up the only solution that works, which is Medicare for All.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, you know, speaking of showing cards, actually Wilson, I'm going to send you a clip that we can play later because I think that they have shown their cards and the cards that they're showing is that they won't commit to any promises. [SPEAKER_13]: So we will go back to that shortly, but but hold on to that to that idea. [SPEAKER_24]: Okay, well, Chuck Schumer, he came out and said, he's against this deal, he, you know, he opposes it.
[SPEAKER_24]: But of course, there's no way it could've gone through without his support, he after all is the leader of Senate Democrats. [SPEAKER_24]: But here he is on the Senate floor, vowing to keep fighting. [SPEAKER_20]: Maybe fleer, however this boat turns out, [SPEAKER_20]: This fight will and must continue. [SPEAKER_20]: Democrats must fight because of millions of families lose health care coverage.
[SPEAKER_20]: We must fight because children who are dying of cancer will not get health care coverage. [SPEAKER_20]: We must fight because a senior citizen cannot afford to pay $25,000 a year just for health insurance. [SPEAKER_20]: We must fight to keep millions from financial ruin. [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, so he's pretending that he's like not on board with this, but of course he was, uh, and if I change, she even said this morning that like, she kept to remember updated throughout the top.
[SPEAKER_24]: So basically, this is a Schumer deal, no matter how much he tries to, uh, pretend otherwise. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: Again, if he wasn't so busy being a guardian of Israel, maybe he could actually, you know, be fighting for the American people, but it's hard to do both. [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, okay. [SPEAKER_24]: Well, [SPEAKER_24]: You wanted to make a point about Republicans and, you know, their plans and whether they're going to help people out with you.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: Let's see. [SPEAKER_13]: Let's see. [SPEAKER_13]: Let's see. [SPEAKER_13]: So here, take a listen to what Mike Johnson said. [SPEAKER_03]: Offered them a vote. [SPEAKER_03]: You know what they told them in response? [SPEAKER_03]: No, we need you to guarantee the outcome of that vote. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's ridiculous. [SPEAKER_03]: They can't be done. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, no, because we did our job, and I'm not part of the negotiation.
[SPEAKER_03]: The house did its job at September 19th. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not promising anybody anything. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to let this process play out. [SPEAKER_03]: I tell you what they wanted, I'll tell you what Schumer and Jeffries wanted. [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, Chuck Schumer said it publicly and decried that Thun and I were not going to back room with them and make a four corners agreement on Obamacare subsidies.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, there's no way that it was never possible or appropriate for that to be. [SPEAKER_13]: So again, he was asked, and this was November 6. [SPEAKER_13]: So he's asked if he would, quote, a sure house Democrats will get a vote on ACA subsidies by certain date, his response was, no, not promising, anyone anything. [SPEAKER_24]: All right, well listen, however you feel about this whole shutdown deal, you know, I have a more conflicted take, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_24]: I've mixed feelings as we, as we've seen Katie, things that's a total cave, we can all agree. [SPEAKER_24]: One positive thing is combined with this, [SPEAKER_24]: more outrage from the Democratic base at Chuck Schumer. [SPEAKER_24]: And I think that's a good thing, no matter what you think about this deal. [SPEAKER_24]: So here, for example, is MSNBC. [SPEAKER_24]: And listen to how former Congress member Joe Walsh, I think he's a former Republican, but he's turned into a woman.
[SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, he is. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: He's a, he's a never trumper. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, he's not happy with Chuck Schumer. [SPEAKER_16]: Actually, we're needs to go after tonight. [SPEAKER_16]: He's sure to go on a week ago a month ago a year ago. [SPEAKER_16]: Yes, yes, you talk about him and not meet in the moment right every time he gets in front of a camera The average Democratic voter out there screams be done with you be done and this will only accelerate that.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, I'll be seeing [SPEAKER_10]: Do you think the left is headed for a tea party like moment here? [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I know that you're new to being a Democrat and you're not like some big lefty progressive. [SPEAKER_10]: But this does seem to fit the argument that they have been making that some of these older or more moderate and establishment figures just aren't ready to meet this moment. [SPEAKER_10]: Generational changes needed.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, this sort of seems like if you're one of them, you're running on this, you're challenging, okay? [SPEAKER_16]: What if I were on a set with you all right there? [SPEAKER_16]: I'm yankin' off my mic and I'm hugging you. [SPEAKER_16]: I'm giving you a big high five. [SPEAKER_16]: You are exactly right. [SPEAKER_13]: All right, so guys, by the way, this is a guy who called he said to Obama, Obama quit lying, he made a video when Obama's president quit lying.
[SPEAKER_13]: This is the guy who is honestly more in touch with how you defeat Republicans than Chuck Schumer.
[SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, I mean, look, the, that's wrote down a card party base is like former Republicans that that's who the common Harris tried to appeal to and even he even he is fed up with with with Chuck Schumer so listen, if he's the leader of the tea party like revolting in Chuck Schumer let's bring it on you know me, but let's make it happen Democrats certainly, you know, I think would benefit from getting rid of Chuck Schumer.
[SPEAKER_13]: But also guys, do you understand we have 2,000 people watching unless than 1,000 have liked. [SPEAKER_13]: We watch Joe Walsh, we have to watch Joe Walsh, okay? [SPEAKER_13]: If you, if that doesn't make you wanna give us a like, I honestly don't know what will. [SPEAKER_13]: Help us defeat the algorithmic suppression of this show by giving us a thumbs up. [SPEAKER_13]: It's a free way to support it.
[SPEAKER_24]: If you don't give us a like, we're gonna rip off our microphones, [SPEAKER_24]: into the screen, give you a punch. [SPEAKER_24]: Have a tea party revolts of our own. [SPEAKER_24]: Again, pull out quite, yes, yes, yes, yes. [SPEAKER_13]: Instead of a hug, punch. [SPEAKER_24]: Yes, exactly. [SPEAKER_13]: A nonviolent punch, yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: Yes, yes. [SPEAKER_24]: OK, well, that's been used to Lydia's.
[SPEAKER_24]: No, you have to, don't we have a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a nice, a [SPEAKER_24]: That's a shutdown coverage that offered you. [SPEAKER_24]: Different takes, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_24]: Right.
[SPEAKER_24]: So, this is a green. [SPEAKER_13]: Right, very conscious perspective. [SPEAKER_24]: I mean, this is your one stop shop for all shutdown coverage. [SPEAKER_13]: Wait, so Aaron, is this the shutdown shutdown? [SPEAKER_24]: Yes, I'm shutting down the shutdown coverage. [SPEAKER_24]: That's right, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_24]: But there are other topics at hand, including the very real problem of anti-Semitism, which means people [SPEAKER_24]: nothing unbored with these relevant committing mass murder to preserve a Jewish supremacist state. [SPEAKER_24]: And this is such a problem that a CNN anchor, named Biana [SPEAKER_24]: Gold, Gold, Drega, I can't really pronounce it.
[SPEAKER_24]: Anyway, she's a CNN anchor, and she's decided to co-author within Israeli journalist, a new book aimed at kids all about anti-Semitism quote unquote. [SPEAKER_24]: I really stretched the quote unquote because it's not about anti-Semitism. [SPEAKER_24]: This is about trying to silence criticism of Israel. [SPEAKER_24]: The book is called Don't Feed the Lion, okay? [SPEAKER_24]: The CNN anchor went on, fellow CNN anchors, Friedzacari showed to promote the book and do that.
[SPEAKER_13]: And one thing that I think is important to note is that she, Biana, did a lot of coverage of the mass rape hoax, and guess how much coverage she did of the rape of Palestinians. [SPEAKER_24]: I'm gonna guess here. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, I'm gonna guess here. [SPEAKER_13]: Like the one that was caught on video. [SPEAKER_13]: The one that was reported on in Israel and never she never clarified that the mass repokes had been discredited and debunked all right.
[SPEAKER_24]: Well, let's let's get to these deep insights into quote unquote anti-Semitism [SPEAKER_18]: So you know that the argument that's going to be made is there is a big this distinction between criticizing the Israeli government for what it is doing and anti-Semitism.
[SPEAKER_18]: How much do you think it's fair to say that a lot of the things that people have said as well as committing genocide in Gaza, the Israeli [SPEAKER_18]: is guilty of war crimes, Israelis and, you know, permanently occupying the Palestinians. [SPEAKER_18]: How much of that is just criticism of the current Israeli government or a succession of Israeli governments?
[SPEAKER_18]: And I ask that to you because in my experience half of Israel feels that way that Israel is doing terrible things in Gaza under the Netanyahu government. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, sorry for it. [SPEAKER_24]: First of all, the whole question is so stupid. [SPEAKER_24]: Like, you don't even have to ponder out loud. [SPEAKER_24]: Like, to what extent is criticism of Israel legitimate? [SPEAKER_24]: Like, any criticism of any government is legitimate.
[SPEAKER_24]: It's a question of anti-Semitism. [SPEAKER_24]: It's so stupid. [SPEAKER_24]: It's a complete right here. [SPEAKER_24]: But then, of course, he's trying to white what? [SPEAKER_24]: That he's trying to justify him advocating some malcriticism of Israel by saying, even his railies oppose what Netanyahu does. [SPEAKER_24]: I'm sorry, no, they don't. [SPEAKER_24]: Most Israelis support the genocide and government. [SPEAKER_24]: Yes, they are forcing that.
[SPEAKER_24]: So, he's trying to like create space for himself to criticize his real and like get out of being called an anti-Semite, if you criticize his real, by saying even his rallies, you know, our critical business, I'm sorry, they're not. [SPEAKER_24]: It's a fanatic society that's on board with ethnic cleansing and it's okay to criticize them and you can't, you don't have to justify that.
[SPEAKER_24]: So, the whole premise of this whole conversation is just completely [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and also, you know, yeah, their critics of Nanyahuan is real, but they don't criticize him for his treatment of the people of Gaza. [SPEAKER_13]: They support that. [SPEAKER_13]: They support ethnically cleansing people in Gaza. [SPEAKER_13]: They have problems with him not protecting them on October 7, the judicial, overhaul, et cetera, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_13]: And also, just to put like this in perspective, imagine Friedzacarya being like, well, should we distinguish between criticizing Saudi Arabia and Islamophobia?
[SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, he never would, but of course, and but the comparison is just it's not even a fact because what is real is doing is just it's genocide, it's off and it's in it's a decades long ethno supremacist project is like nothing even compares to it, but yet constantly every criticism of it has to be couched and well, yes, there is anti somatism and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, again, if the people were on my show,
[SPEAKER_24]: If I was free to carry it, as soon as they open up their mouth, I'd just say, you know what? [SPEAKER_24]: No Jew for you. [SPEAKER_24]: No Jew for you, you like, but you're gonna get to talk, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_13]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, because like just like no Jew for you. [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, no Jew for you, good. [SPEAKER_13]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: Um, and yes, of course, what Saudi Arabia is doing is not comparable to what is real is doing, but I just mean, like again, imagine saying to someone, well, you're talking about Jamal Khashoggi. [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, and the way he was dismembered. [SPEAKER_13]: But uh, is that Islamophobic? [SPEAKER_13]: I'm showing is how ridiculous it would be to apply this to other cases. [SPEAKER_24]: All right, let's hear from these co-authors.
[SPEAKER_24]: Including one of them was a CNN anchor. [SPEAKER_24]: I mean, so pathetic. [SPEAKER_24]: Like, usually they just push their Israel activism from the anchor chair. [SPEAKER_13]: Right. [SPEAKER_24]: This lady decided to, let's also like, write a book about it too, why not? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: Aim to kids. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I would say a few things for you, and again, thank you for this opportunity.
[SPEAKER_05]: First of all, Israel, as you well know, is a vibrant democracy and is really as criticized their government and indeed, journalists criticized the government. [SPEAKER_05]: That is the way of life and in every vibrant democracy. [SPEAKER_05]: And I think asking questions [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, except, of course, for Palestinians and Palestinian journalists who are murdered, right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_24]: The hundreds, and the idea of Israel's a vibrant democracy, yes, if you exclude more than 5 million Palestinians living in one of the most brutal occupations in the world, yes, it's a vibrant ethnocracy, yes, yeah, I'll give her that much, yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: about the war or asking questions about the conduct is a legitimate thing is really doing as well.
[SPEAKER_24]: It's a, yes, for example, you have protests in Israel over the rape and torture of the Palestinian prison, but the protest is not against the rape and torture. [SPEAKER_24]: It's in support of the rape and torture. [SPEAKER_24]: That's the vibrant democracy that Israel is. [SPEAKER_13]: It's true. [SPEAKER_13]: They have a vibrant defensive rape culture. [SPEAKER_24]: Yes. [SPEAKER_13]: They have a vibrant [SPEAKER_24]: Yes, they do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ryburn conversation in Israel, where I would draw the line is to say the rule of thumb being if you criticize Israel is that's not anti-Semitism, if you only criticize Israel, then that would raise a few eyebrows. [SPEAKER_24]: And when you say so, for example, if you're a Palestinian, your home has been stolen from you, you've been kept out of your ancestral homeland, you've been under military occupation, now you're facing a genocide.
[SPEAKER_24]: If you only criticize Israel, you know, that that's going to raise some eyebrows, you know, what's wrong with you? [SPEAKER_24]: Why do you hate to so much? [SPEAKER_24]: Why do you only focus on Israel when all they've done is steal your homeland, murder your family, and make life impossible for you? [SPEAKER_13]: Right. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, that's a good point, Aaron. [SPEAKER_13]: I think that these people are such racist that she doesn't even consider Palestinians.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think she's probably trying to imply non-Palestinians, right? [SPEAKER_13]: Like, because the argument, which is a bull, a BS argument, but the argument is that, [SPEAKER_13]: If you're talking about Israel more than other places, you must be singling Israel out, you must be an anti-Semite.
[SPEAKER_13]: Now, I think most people who are remotely smart, but maybe she's one of these very dumb people know that, you know, if you're Palestinian, I think you're allowed to talk about them, but maybe not, maybe you're right, because there's a really dumb person I know on Twitter, just random person who literally [SPEAKER_13]: I saw her reply to a guy who wrote, it's raining in Gaza, pray for the people in tents, and her response to that was it rained in Sudan, why the silence.
[SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, they love to use the atrocities in Sudan as a way to distract from the atrocities in Gaza. [SPEAKER_24]: The difference being, including that we're directly responsible for the atrocities in Gaza by arming and supporting Israel. [SPEAKER_11]: Right. [SPEAKER_24]: By the way, national relationship. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: If we cared about Sudan, we put, in fact, the Biden administration gave a pass.
[SPEAKER_24]: to the UAE as it armed militias and so on like they're carrying our trust in part because they wanted to keep the UAE on board with the Abraham Accords with this room. [SPEAKER_24]: So there's actually a tie there as well, but anyway, all right, let's hear more insights.
[SPEAKER_05]: say things like we hear these protests and things being said like Zionists keep out of campuses that then Jews understand what that mean and I yeah I understand what that means that means people who support Israel out and not talking to Jews. [SPEAKER_13]: No, I mean, I as a Jew understand that when she's when people say Zionists out, they're saying Zionists. [SPEAKER_13]: They're not saying Jews. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_13]: And every time she gets on people like her get on the stage or get on shows and pretend that Zionists and Jewishness are conflated are the same thing. [SPEAKER_13]: She's perpetuating anti-Semitism. [SPEAKER_13]: It's her not the people criticizing Zionism. [SPEAKER_13]: I can't expect like express this enough that people to the extent that I'm ever afraid about anti-Semitism, it's because of people like her.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that we should emphasize the most the vast majority of Jews support Israel's right to exist. [SPEAKER_05]: So in that regard, if you say, you know what, I'm not an anti-Semite. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just an anti-Semis. [SPEAKER_05]: It's a little bit like saying, you know what, I'm not against the English. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just against the [SPEAKER_24]: Well, it depends if England is saying we're a Christian ethno state that has the divine right to steal.
[SPEAKER_24]: I don't know, Irish land and like displaces people and build massive settlements and commit genocide, then actually yeah, then I am against it, whatever, yes, going self, the right to exist means there, you know, it's like no one has the right to commit genocide and to be a Jewet and to be an ethnom state in which one group is superior to the other.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right, but I love how out of touch these people are that they actually think that like comparing it to England is going to get people upset. [SPEAKER_13]: Like oh the poor pressed English people they've never been settler colonialists like no the Irish people are the ones that people root for [SPEAKER_05]: I think that these things aren't actually very complicated. [SPEAKER_05]: There are very distinct lines around what is anti-Semitism.
[SPEAKER_05]: In our book, really happens before October 7th. [SPEAKER_05]: It happens in 2022, and you wanted to talk about that, about that hatred, about that age-old hate of Jews, and what to do when you're a kid in this world. [SPEAKER_05]: And you're dealing with all of the issues that kids do with. [SPEAKER_05]: And how do you actually live when you're confronted with this kind of hate? [SPEAKER_24]: What are we trying to, we're basically trying to train young nauties?
[SPEAKER_24]: We want you to be nauties to believe that they're ethnically superior and to deal with people who believe that people have human rights and equal rights. [SPEAKER_24]: So we're going to help defend, help young people defend themselves against the idea that everybody is equal. [SPEAKER_13]: Also like does she, what happened to her kid? [SPEAKER_13]: What like anti-Semitic hate crime was her kid subjected to?
[SPEAKER_13]: I'm sure if there were anything they'd be [SPEAKER_24]: All right, well, again, you don't have any examples. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: It's, again, like my own response to these people who constantly talk about anti-Semitism and doing and supportive as a whole genocide is like, no Jew for you. [SPEAKER_24]: You just don't have to read out the right. [SPEAKER_11]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_24]: You know, they're right to do it.
[SPEAKER_24]: To invoke the very real history of Jewish suffering and persecution to justify a current genocide. [SPEAKER_24]: You just don't, you just don't. [SPEAKER_13]: NJFY, let's make t-shirts that say that. [SPEAKER_13]: NJFY. [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_24]: All right. [SPEAKER_24]: That's going to bring us to the end of Monday morning, Katie, anything you want to promote this week for the cake. [SPEAKER_13]: Um, what do I want to promote? [SPEAKER_13]: It's going to be a great one.
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