Hello and welcome back to another episode of Upfront and Undivided with Luke and Dean'na. Hi. Hey babe. How's it going? I was taking a nap. I saw it. It's okay. It's like a gloomy, it's a gloomy rainy day. Yes. It's not gloomy. Like you and I, we actually like rain. Yes. Like we like the rainy days. But like it's, I like close my eyes. We made some nice lunch. We went to the gym.
Yes. Had a good lunch and now my body's full and it's raining outside and we have big plans for our backyard and we're talking about stuff and then like you're like, let's record. And I'm like, I'm going to take a quick five second power nap while you. Yes. During the intro. That's it. Close my eyes. And then you hear the rain and just get into the mood and here we are. Yes. Hey, we have an anniversary coming. We do. So whenever, uh, is it the.
When this comes out, we're going to be leaving in two days. Yep. Yep. Yep. So wait. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Like, cause seriously what happened to me? I just went, wait a minute. No, that's not right. And I'm like, nope, that's it. Front. That's upfront and divided and oh, and that's in the real and oh, that's the equal. And yeah, we got to get our schedules and our everything sorted. It's going to be good. Yeah, it is good. It is good.
I appreciate that our listeners just fly by the seat of their pants. Like we do most days, they watch our train going and they just, they just watch it go by and they follow. I was going to say they jump on, but there's periodically I'm like, you may not want to jump on because we definitely don't want to have a train wreck. No, that would be bad. Yeah. I think we've had any train wrecks. I think we're doing okay. And then we've got our little, what is this? What are these called?
What are the gummies? Gummy worms? The little gummy worms. The Albany's. Albany's brand. Because Heather told me that I need to tell people we're not eating gummies on air, but we do eat gummies on air, but they are not, they're not the fun gummies that some people- They're store bought gummies. They are store bought gummies that you get from like Hy-Vee or Walmart. A local grocery store. Yep. And, and I have them all laid out. Yes. Not like you do. Not like me.
I'm pretty color coordinated, I think, at this point. That's pretty good. That's not bad. Pretty good. So what, what are we, what are we talking about today? So due to the overwhelming success of last episode- I'm kind of jazzed about this. Yes. I am too. And I am, I'm kind of enjoying the, you know, it's not quite somebody interviewing us, but it feels like interviewing us. It does. Because I do. I, I think, I think it's more fun when we field questions.
Yes. You know, when, when somebody is like, you know, even if somebody's like, you know, hey, can you talk about this, you know, what are your thoughts on this subject? It's like, okay, well, let's talk about the subject. Right. But it's like, I do, I like the, I like the question and answers and stuff like that. I like, I like that format. Because I think even one of our more popular ones were actually 10 things that I learned in 10 years of marriage.
Yeah. And it's, it's funny, just people seem to like, they like the, our daughters just got home. Oh, nice. They like the, like, let's, let's lay it out. Give me some, give me some nuggets, give me some things, give me, yeah, that kind of space.
So I like, I like that they, I like that they are asking us questions and just, because it is, you and I could talk about anything and everything, which we have proven, like during lunchtime, we're talking about tattoos and piercings and splittings of tongues and things of that nature. And then we're also talking about scratching in public, men scratching in public versus women scratching in public, things of that nature.
And guys, like there's probably people that are like, what are your thoughts on this? Like, we want to know these thoughts. Yeah. We'll talk about it another time, maybe. Yeah. But it, it's, it's just, it is, I like getting into other people's heads. Yeah. It's, it's good. So part two, the, the big question that we're going to start with is what are two or three hooks the enemy tries to bring into marriage to get Christians off course? I like that.
And then we have a second question, which we will share later because we feel that it goes really well with that, that big first question. Yeah. So, so two or three hooks that the enemy likes to throw at us to make us forget our purpose, our identity, our plan, our path, how to get us off course, how to stop us running the race, how to forget the weapons that we have that we can fight with. Come on. Against the enemy that's trying to throw us off course. Come on. So what are two or three hooks?
Okay. I'm going to read it again because you, you went into that long dissertation and it kind of threw me. So what are two or three hooks the enemy tries to bring into, into marriage to get Christians off course? I mean, I'm going to, I'm going to start off with, it's like, I almost said, I'm going to start with kids. Not that kids are from the enemy. No, no, no, no. Far from it.
But I think the mentality of placing your kids first, because I think, I think the enemy loves to play that card because if, if, because when you're married, this is a priority because God marriage, you know, in the hierarchy of things. And if the enemy can convince you to, to twist that, to put your kids before your marriage, then that can, they can, it can really throw things off. It throws off, you know, the God's plan.
It basically throws off God's plan for your marriage, for your life together. And you know, because it is you'll, you'll spend, you know, 18, 20, 25 years focusing on your kids and putting their needs first and all of their stuff first. And all of a sudden it's like you to become empty nesters and you're now strangers that are roommates. Correct. Correct. You know? And so I think, I think that is, that's one of those things.
Or sometimes before you even get to that point, you know, one spouse will all of a sudden start to resent the other spouse because the kids are always coming first. And it's like, you know what? I'm out. Yeah. You know, possibly, you know, and that, that can open the door to divorce or, you know, affairs and all of that extramarital stuff or, you know, even, you know, porn and, you know, all of that stuff. And so I think, I think I'm going to say that's, that's my first.
Yeah. The one, the first thing that pops to my mind is skewing the order of putting your children before your marriage. That's good. I mean, it's not good, but that's good. Yeah. No, I like that. I would also say one of the hooks again, cause this was given to us by sweet, sweet friends of ours. I would also say not being honest in finances, not being honest in, not being on the same page. Let's say it that way. Not being on the same page.
Okay. That sounds very broad, but when, when you don't have, when you have not sat down and had a talk financially, where do we want to go? And spiritually, mentally, emotionally, all of the things. Okay. So, what is sometimes even those plans kind of like the five year plan, like what, what are we even striving for? What are we doing right now? Cause again, you know, we've, we've, we've let everybody know the new thing that's going on in our lives right now.
Well, this is something that just not, we didn't go on a whim. This is something that we've talked about, that we've, we've thought about. We've said, okay, we've prayed about, we've, we've sought counsel. It's all about, we have sought, you know what I mean? Like it's that stuff. And then following through it's, it's the follow through. It's like, um, Hey, we're going to be saving money for this and such and this and such.
But if one of the spouses says, you know what, I'm just going to spend and I'm going to spend, I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that. Or um, physically, you know, you and I want to get it. We want to be in shape and we want to have goals and we want to have healthier lives. But if, if one is like, you know what, I'm just not feeling it anymore. And then you're not standing up to the commitment and the promise that you made in that space.
I think that that could become a hook too, because it is, you start becoming very resentful. I resent the resentment does seem to be a big play in this. But it's like you, you start getting frustrated because you are trying to create a life and a future for your family, for you with you and your spouse. And then the other spouse is like, you know, well, listen, I'm just going to do whatever I want to do. You know, whether if, if it's whoever, you know, like you and I, you're very kind to me.
You're always good to me. It's our money. Okay. So, um, I think that that could also be a hook, you know, well, this is your money. That's my money. And, and as opposed to, wait a minute, we're all, we're, we're literally building something together and it's our money. You know, you're the one that brings them more money than I do, but I also bring in taking care of and doing things.
So it's like when, when you are not on the same page, when it comes to life goals, I will say financially that finances are a big thing. But if for your life goals, then I think that that could create a hook. And then all of a sudden you're like, well, this person, like, we're not even, we're married, but we're not even doing, we're not pursuing the same purpose. Yeah. I was going to say, yeah. And I'll, I was going to say just to kind of like, yeah, I'm glad you said it that way.
Cause I was, I was listening to all of you said, and it was like, it did it almost, I was about to say, you know, so it sounds like, you know, the main thing is not being on the same page.
So yeah, and I do, I agree a hundred percent, you know, because again, it's, you know, if you're not on the same page, you know, again, it's, you know, if you're not looking to go in the same direction, you know, and, and not that we have to have all of the same hobbies, all the same interests and all, but we should, as a marriage, as a married couple, we should want to move in the same direction. Correct. You know, and, and yeah, that's, that's really good.
Cause I will say with us, even just recently, what within the last month or so, where we sat down and I said, what's, what's on your head? Like what's heavy on your heart right now? What's in your brain? And we made a list. And the thing is, is it's not just, this isn't just Luke's list. This is something that affects both of us, right?
Or even if it is, there's a couple of things like, Hey babe, I really need you to get this done so that way I can, you know, we've, or, or sometimes it's, you know, stuff that I need to get done so that my head can be on straight so that I can be a better husband and father and all the other fun stuff.
And that, and, and knowing that being in, being aware of that, being sensitive to one another in that, I think that that, that would help probably eliminate even some of that to where, you know, I, I'm doing this not just because like it benefits me, but I'm doing this because this is going to help my spouse.
This is going, which inadvertently will help benefit me, but ultimately I want to make sure that they are okay first and then let's keep going and move forward and start pursuing the things together. Yeah, I like that. The, I'll say moving on to a next, another hook, which I'll go ahead and bring up the second question that we got for today. So good.
Because I do, it's, you know, different people sent in these really good, great questions and it's like some of these questions really go along with each other. Yes. So I think, I think this question really goes along with this, this main question of the hooks and stuff like that. And it's from two totally different people. Yeah, it is two totally. So it's, it's awesome. But the question is, what is the thin line between comparing a relationship and admiring a relationship? Man, man.
And, and it is, I, you know, I, I know on the equipped man, I talked with the guys about, you know, the comparison and all that and competition and, you know, a lot of times people talk about how comparison is the thief of joy. Yes. And I think we might've even talked about that in a previous episode.
But what I also say, and this is, you know, something I talked about with the guys is, yes, comparison can be the thief of joy, but what happens is, but what happens when you turn that comparison around to push you to do better? Yeah. And you're like, you know, Hey, I see that they're better dad than I am. How can I improve what I do? Right. It's almost like that, you know, the conversation that we had last episode about my coworker that saw me give you a kiss goodbye.
He's like, wait, I want to be no way he can be better at me than that. Yeah. You're at that than me. And so I'm going to, I'm going to up my game to do better. Yes. And I think that's, I think that's the way you got to look at it is, you know, because in a way like you can look at all these couples around you, you know, at your church, at work, you know, wherever you go and you can say, I like what they've got going on or it seems like they've got something that really works for them.
Maybe we can try to incorporate something like that into our marriage. Yeah. Or this is what it looks like from the outside. Maybe we should get to know them so we can really find out what's going on. Yeah. Not that it's a bad thing, just, you know, hey, how do, how do they do it?
Right. Um, and I, I do, I think that's, that's important, but I can see also where it can get twisted because we have, we have friends that have, have moved away out of the area and they, they told us a story how, um, when they were new to our church, they were, they were really trying to go after God with everything in them.
And they looked at a couple that was, you know, they were in a leadership role and they were, you know, doing all the things and they had, you know, six kids and they were just really pouring and going, you know, it seemed like they were going hardcore 24 seven after God. Yeah. And then this, this young, you know, this young couple, friends of ours, they're like, you know what, if that's what they're doing, we're going to do it. We're going to imitate them.
We're going to do everything that they're doing. Right. Because they were like, that will help us be better married couple. This will help us in the kingdom of God. And it, it kind of made them miserable and burn them out. Yeah. And so it's like, it almost destroyed their marriage. It did. Yeah. You know, so it's like, admire them, you know, kind of compare yourself in a good way. Yeah. Um, but don't, don't imitate, don't say, well, that's what they're doing. So we have to do it too.
That's good. You know, and I, and I think that's where it needs to be, you know, because I'm assuming the person that sent this question, you know, they're, they're talking about the comparing a relationship, like almost in a negative way. Right. And where it's, you know, because it is, if, if you start comparing yourself, if you start comparing your marriage to other people, well, we're not doing it like that. We're not doing it like them. So we're failing. It's still, it does.
I mean, you said it, it steals the joy. It steals the uniqueness of who you are. Yes. Right. Because like when we had our women's conference and I had told you this and I'd actually said this on in the real, uh, with the girls, but, um, it, it, it very much, um, pertains to even with the couples, right? Um, like we could even do it as a family. We could be trying to compare our family compared to other families.
And it just, it's going to absolutely annihilate the uniqueness that God has placed on us because one of the things that was spoken, and I know they were, they met really well when they said it and please hear me when I do repeat this, but they said, you know, you could be, you could be raising up a Maddie Ray or you could be raising up a Sally Quintanilla. You could be raising up all of these really amazing people, amazing women of God.
And I turned and I looked at our beautiful brown eyed girl and I said, or I could be raising up a Gabriel Porter because that's who you are. Yeah. Right. And she had the biggest, biggest, most beautiful smile when she, when I said it, because what it did is it released her from having to, to live in a space or in a box that is not hers to be in. Right. It's like, yes, there's qualities. The Bible is full of, of fundamental things that we should be living by.
We should be having the fruit of the spirit. We should be walking in the joy of God. We should be walking in love that is patient and kind and gentle. Right. And we should be walking in certain attributes, the character of God. Yeah. But he made us so wonderfully, fearfully made individually. There's no other Luke Wants on this planet. There's no more. There's no other Dina, right? Like, like we are who we are. Our kids are our kids.
And it's like, if we start putting a comparison, the only thing we should ever be comparing our lives to is the word of God. Yeah. So our marriages should be a reflection of Christ loving the church and willing to lay his life down. And then the church willing to die and just be a representation. Like when I walk into a space, people should know that I am married because like, I carry a presence about me because of who you are. Yeah. And vice versa. Right.
We should be making each other look good. Yeah. So it's one of those where it's like, when we compare, it does it, I think it, I think it destroys the unique fabric of, of who God has created you to be as a couple. Oh yeah. Like you and I bring something to the table that some of our other pastors, some of our other leadership, even our sweet friends that had sent us these, these messages, right? Like these are couples, strong, mighty, godly couples.
These are friends of ours that are asking us these questions. And if we were to try to be the Garrett's or try to be the Driscoll's or try to be the Pfeiffer's, you know what I mean? Like if we tried to be these people, we would no longer be the Wanses. Yeah. And I think we, when you do that, you do a misjustice to the kingdom. You do a misjustice even to your own spouse and what God wants to do through you guys.
Because again, that's, you know, it's, it's like you said, you know, that's not what God has called you to be. No, no. You know, and, and it is, it's. If he hasn't graced, what was it? If he hasn't graced you for that battle, to be in that position, to be that person, it will destroy you.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, you know, again, admire, admire a couple, you know, see the, see the things that they've got going, you know, but, you know, again, just, it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to do that. Right. You know, I know, I know some people that are really good at, you know, being entrepreneurs and that doesn't mean that's what you need to take on. Correct. You know, so yeah.
So admire, admire other couples for what they've got going on and, and say, you know, again, find out how they do it. Don't just look at it from the outside and say, Oh, that's what's going on. Yeah. Get to know them and get into their lives. And then, you know, in a way, judge for yourself as to not whether or not that's something you want to try to incorporate into your own marriage. Or if it's something that you want to incorporate, maybe you get to do it in a different way.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. Yeah. You know, but the, see, see how you can incorporate that kind of stuff. I like it. No, I like that. And I like, even more so, this is where you and your spouse get to pray, pray together, get in God's face together. Father, how, how do you see where we can improve?
What do you see that we, that we could do, you know, do it separately as a husband and wife, but then do it, you know, together, find out maybe, you know, he might be looking at you saying, I think what you guys are doing is great. You don't need to, even if you're admiring somebody else, you can absolutely appreciate, respect, honor. But even then you don't, if it's not yours to grab hold of, then just appreciate it and then move on. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So next hook. Next hook. Why? You. Oh, me.
Yeah. I would say the next hook that I see is, well, you kind of talked about it a little bit, would be pornography or emotional affairs. Yeah. I would say that that, that is a hook because, or not even emotional affairs. Let me, let me, let me, cause I'm going to say predominantly, listen, it can be guys and girls. They can both be in pornography.
And if somebody immediately goes, well, Dina, I don't, I don't, you know, I don't watch porn or I don't, you know, okay, but do you look at certain pictures? When reels come across, are the people half naked? If hey, hey, girlfriends, cause usually the girls are more into this than the guys, but if the guys do, then grab it. Are you, are you watching romance? Are you reading romance novels? Are you fantasizing about somebody other than your spouse?
Because you aren't feeling fulfilled or maybe stress, whatever it is that might be trying to trigger. I would say that these are hooks that try to come in, especially when, when things seem to be going just fine. Like boredom starts creeping in. You haven't spent enough time with your spouse. Maybe the face to face time is a little lean cause you're in a busy season or whatever it might be, um, stress, uh, just things that work.
And then because of the things that work and the stress, you're not having conversations and expressing to your spouse what's going on because he, I'm having a really hard time here. This is what's happening. Um, and so instead of getting real and honest and in each other's faces, what we'll do is then we'll hide behind something else to keep us occupied. And I'm even going to go as far as not just porn or emotional affair.
When I talk about an emotional affair, you could even be having an emotional affair with your phone, with social media. You could be getting so caught up in looking down all the time and not having that face to face. We've been guilty of that to where it's like, all of a sudden we're sending 50,000 reels, which is cute and that's fine. But like, have I actually talked to you today? You know? Um, and, and so we've got to be careful what we're doing kind of on our down times.
How are we responding to times that are stressful? How are we dealing with, with times where we're just by ourselves with our thoughts? Um, how are we doing when we haven't had the proper amount of time with our spouse? Are we, are we being vulnerable and enough to say, hi, I need you. How are you? I miss your face. Right. Um, so I would say that that would be one of those hooks also, um, again, in the same vein and you're going to see what I keep talking about.
Like when you become a workaholic, you know, are you putting business before your marriage? Are you putting, um, you know, we got to get that next, we got to get that next bid. We got to get that next job. We got to get that next. And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. These things can wait. Have you spent quality?
It's not always quantity because we understand life happens, but the quality of time with your spouse to where they've connected with their heart, with yours, because that's usually when these snares and these hooks come in, all of a sudden you start becoming disconnected. You start becoming, um, absent from each other. And I think that's almost more, more of it. I mean, it's like, yes, like all these other things come into it. Those are symptoms.
So yeah, you know, with the, the emotional, uh, affairs, you know, with the pornography and all that. But I think, I think it's, it comes down to it's that distraction. It's that, um, you it's, it's the, we're not making our marriage our priority.
You know, it's, it's the, you know, it's kind of back to like with the kids and, and in a way you could kind of like throw, throw that out with, you know, this trumps that of if, if you're not putting your marriage in the proper order, you know, again, God marriage, you know, this, this is your first ministry, so to speak. I know people have said that a lot. And if you're not putting your marriage first before everything else outside of God, then it's going to lead to problems. Right. Right.
You know, it's kind of like, what is your marriage built on? It's like, okay, you might have a really solid foundation, but if you're not making your marriage a priority, all of a sudden, those walls are not solid. Right. You know, the stairs are a little wobbly, you know, yes, you can, you can tear down those walls and you can go back to that good solid foundation. But if, if your walls and your stairs and all that other stuff is not sturdy and stable, you can completely lose your foundation.
Right. Right. So, yeah. So I'd say, I'd say a lot of it boils down to that. Yeah. Just connecting. Just, it's because even church, we can get so caught up in church and be so consumed with church and consumed with ministry. We could be consumed with, right. We can be consumed with all of it. And it's like, be consumed with God, but I guarantee, I guarantee it's not even a but, I guarantee.
If, if there is something that is shaky on your foundation, as far as with your marriage, and you're going to the father and you're asking him directly, what do I need to do? You know, yes, there would be that time where you get into his face and you pray and you worship and you, you, you speak with him and you have that, that communion, you have that time. He's also going to download that, that love for your spouse.
He's going to download ideas, wisdom on how to even repair the breach, to repair the spaces that that might be unsure. Right. He might tell you, Hey, I want you to go and I want you to go to church and I want to, I want you to hold your spouse's hand and I want you to get into the presence of me and I want you to worship and I want you to wrap them up and I want you to remind them that you're in this together. And then there's other times where he's like, you know what?
Nope. I want you to stay home or I want you to go do this with your family and I want you to go spend this time and I want you to reconnect in another area because he knows what you need, when you need it. And sometimes back to our friends, right, that were trying to, to compare their lives with this family that's running hard, running hard, running hard. That was not the space that God had called them. He did not grace them to be in that place.
And if he has not graced you to go a million miles an hour or all of a sudden you're running really hard and your intentions are really good and God is very much glorified. But if you're turning and looking all of a sudden your spouse is looking at you like, I have not seen you all week. Where are you? Then you might want to take a step back, reevaluate and then reconnect. Yeah, I agree. I agree. This was good.
It's like, it feels like the more we kind of talked about it, the more it just kind of boiled down, boiled itself down. Yeah. And it's, you know, because it is, it's the, are you putting things out of order? Have you put idols in your life? Come on. Between the phone, between the job, between whatever, you being involved in a ministry at church. Are you, you know, it, and so it's like, I think it's those things and as simple and basic as they may seem, they really are the big ones.
You know, they're, they're the biggies, you know, it's, you know, again, it's, it's the, the fact that the enemy is, you know, he, he's not creative, you know, I'll say he's not creative, but it's, because, and it's, you know, he uses the same tricks over and over again. You know, he's always going to find your button. He's always going to find that one shiny ball that can distract you.
Yeah. You know, and, and it's, and it's until you find, until you get to the point where it's like the shiny ball no longer affects me, right? You know, then he'll, then he'll, he won't really be sure what to do. Right. You know, and, and again, so it's, it's the, is, are, are your priorities out of order? Right. So what is, what has become an idol in your life? That's good. And then also kind of where is your identity?
Yeah. You know, and it's, it's just down to, you know, those things, you know, if, if those things are skewed in your life, in your marriage, then that is going to just open you up so much to attacks. Yes. I mean, we as Christian married couples, we are, we are open to attack as it is.
Yes. But the fact that we are unified, that we have this, these vows that we've said to each other, this covenant that we've shared with each other, that we are bonded in such a way, we together are able to fend off all of those attacks. Yeah. And so, but when we, you know, again, it's, it's kind of like with, you know, like an old school, you know, soldier or something like that, you know, if your armor is not put on the right way, you're open to attacks. Right.
That you never would have thought would have been a thing. Yeah. You become vulnerable. Yeah. Yep. You know, so I think, I think that's what a lot of it comes down to. Yeah. Yeah. So I think a lot of it would be self-evaluate, really get into the, the presence of God, really find out what it is that He, He's saying to you right now to where you're not comparing, but you, you are examining, you're putting your, your marriage under kind of a microscope. Be very careful.
Be very careful though, when you do that, that I would say before you do anything else, before you start talking about the things that are wrong or the things that need to be fixed, that the appreciation and the acknowledging the good is something that is very prevalent in that comes out of your mouth, that, you know, you, you celebrate your spouse, you appreciate them. It's like, you know, coming into his courts with Thanksgiving and praise, right?
Before you make your requests known before God, you go and you, you tell them who He is. You acknowledge who He is. You tell them how much you appreciate Him. And then you have the conversation. It would just be just like with your spouse, listen, thank you. Thank you, babe, for being such a hard worker. Thank you for constantly providing for our family. Thank you more than anything that my heart is safe with you. Yeah. Yeah. Now, these are some things that I, you know what I mean?
And it's like when you acknowledge the good, when you acknowledge the things that are beautiful, maybe some of the hooks probably would even go away. Yeah. Like, are you, what are you fixated on? You know, I know that sometimes we have a tendency to, to see so much of the bad or where we could constantly be better. Like, you know, as girls, we get in the mirror, guys too, get in the mirror. Oh man, like I could do better here in this that what we pick ourselves apart.
And it's like, no, listen, let's celebrate what God has done, who he is making us to be as a couple. And then father, how would you like us to be tweaked? Because ultimately he is the one that gets to have the say. Yeah. It's good. I like that. It's really good. I think we said it. Is that good? I mean, yeah. I mean, do you think there's anything else that needs to be said on this? I know they say they asked for two or three. I think we gave them a little bit more than that. I did.
I mean, I think ultimately we blow it down to three. Do we? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I just be vigilant. Be vigilant. Yeah. Be vigilant knowing that your marriage is something that is sacred. Yes. And do everything you can to keep it sacred. Yeah. Now that we're cheering for you guys. Always. Always cheering for them. Yeah. We really do. We believe in you guys and know that we're praying for you all. There's quite a few that reach out to us. Just know that we're standing in the gap with you guys.
We're believing. We're standing and believing that God is going to rescue, redeem, restore, and then rejuvenate everything as far as your marriage is concerned. And that God gives you wisdom. He gives you a greater understanding that He shows you from His point of view, not yours, but you see things from His point of view. So that way you don't get overwhelmed, but that you move forward in victory, that you fight from a place of victory, not fighting for victory. Yes. The battle's already won.
Yes, it is. Yay. All right, guys. Have the best week. Enjoy the journey.