Episode 503 - Killer Con Man

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close friend. For the next two hours, will highlight cases that have gone cold, baffled investigators, or just needs that one witness to speak up. This is Unsolved with Steve Gregory. In this episode, we get to know Terry Rasmussen, a man born in Arizona, lived in California, and died

in prison. Rasmussen's story has been told many times by many TV and media outlets, But for the next couple hours, a retired investigator from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department breaks down the highlights of Rasmussen's killing spree and ends with a connection to an unsolved case out of Anaheim and tell you up front this case is complicated. It's got many layers and you're going to be a little

confused in the beginning, but stay until the end. As retired investigator Peter Headley tells us about the case of the Killer Conman, Yes, in nineteen eighty six, our department was contacted by mister Missus Decker and they had been staying in the Holiday host RV park and there was a guy there going by the name Gordon Jensen that had a approximate five year old girl with him that

he said was his daughter. They knew something was wrong. She was crying at night, not well kempt, and they threw out the idea to him that hey, our daughter can't have kids, she'd like to adopt. What do you think and he ended up saying, yeah, here, take her on a trial adoption. So they took the child known as Lisa back to where they lived here in our jurisdiction, and that's when they realized she'd been

molested. So they contacted our department and that's when we had first contact with this Gordon Jensen, and a report was generated for child abandonment because he said he was her father, and child molestation. So first of all, that's very unusual. And where is Scott's Valley, California, Central California. But so in this RV park, you're saying, then a couple that was staying next to this, Gordon Jensen, offered to take the child to give to

their daughter as an adoption. I know, we're kind of going forward a little bit, but is that because they thought that was the best thing for the child because they actually saw that things were not well for the kid. Yeah, she was not well kept. Her and her alleged father were actually living in a campershell on the back of a pickup truck on the RV park. He was a handyman working on the RV park for his rent and they just they knew something was off, so they were sort of rescuing the child,

inadvertently rescuing the child. But wouldn't that big red flag be that he just handed over the child like that. That's a big red flag, isn't it. At the time, they didn't think much of it. They were just thinking about the child's welfare. So then you're made aware of it here in San Bernardino County and what was the next step? Investigation was opened because

it was another jurisdiction what you have to do as a courtesy report. So we investigated the whole case and then contacted the jurisdiction where it occurred and gave them the report, and they were the ones that actually entered the the arrest warrant for him. So he was arrested in Central California. Now, actually he left the RV park when they went back there to try to contact him,

he was gone where they find him. Eventually he contact was made again in nineteen eighty eight and San Luis Obispoe County and he was arrested driving a stolen car out of Idaho. Wow. So there's a lot here going on. So just to recap, you get the call from this man and woman who have now taken possession of this young girl named Lisa right and they say that they realize that there that the girl was uncamped, possibly sexually abused,

and generates a report. They put out an arrest warrant for him in Central California, and but he's nowhere to be found. He's later found in Idaho, is that correct? Actually in San Luis Obispo County, California, with a stolen car out of Idahoo. It sounds like we're gonna have to keep track of a lot of things here, right, Yeah, this is a big case. So then, um, meanwhile, what's the disposition of the

girl? She was taken into child protective services and was eventually adopted out to that couple, someone else, to someone else, so she went into the care of the county. Yes, now, so you've got to find this guy. You track him down in San Louis Obispo. What happened next?

He pled out to child abandonment charges. The adopted parents did not want her to have to testify, so charges were just child abandonment and of course the stolen car, So he pled out to those and he served about a year and a half and then in nineteen ninety he got out on parole and immediately absconded. Were you on this case at this point? No? What did you know about this guy? When you say absconded, he took off thing clearly, But what did you know about this guy? I mean, did

you learn anything about him? Or did the detectives learn anything about him back then? Yet? Actually, when they first did the investigation, Cliff Harris was a detective from Crimes against Shoulder and who did a very thorough job. He actually took apart some audio equipment that he had es Gordon Jensen had worked on and got fingerprints in side of the equipment. With those fingerprints, it came back to a different name, Curtis Kimball. And under the name Curtis

Kimball, he had been in the Anaheim area, southern California. Back in nineteen eighty five. He'd crashed a car with Lisa in the car, so he was arrested for a child endangerment back then in drunk driving, and he had fled from those charges, so he still had warrants for his arrest from that case. So this guy was a career criminal of sorts exactly. So now the guys out what happens next. The next time he's contacted is by

Contra Coasta County and he had started a relationship with Unston June. He worked as a handyman and the Contra Coasta County area and her friend, Renee Rose, had reported her missing. He reported Unston June missing, so detectives went and contacted him and he was like, oh, yeah, sure, I'll talk to you. And while they were talking to him, now we have live scan his fingerprints came back while he's still sitting there. Previous to that,

it could take a day or two for fingerprints to come back. And just to clarify live scan for people that don't know, that's that people have to get scanned, and it's digital and there's a big database, and that's how people get background checks to work at places and for employment purposes and things like that. Right well, it's for fingerprinting. So you get your results of the fingerprints back almost immediately now before it could take a day's a couple

of days. I'm gonna pause right there because we're gonna take a break. When we come back. There's a lot to unpack here, Pete, and we'll get there. But first, this is Unsolved with Steve Gregory on kf I AM six forty. You're listening to kf I AM six forty on demand kf I AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. I'm Steve Gregory.

This is Unsolved. We're speaking with Pete Headley is a retired deputy with the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department, also a member of the Crimes against Children's Unit. Back many years ago, picked up a case involving a young girl. But this case would turn out to be more complicated, more complex, and it would span across the country. And we're dealing with one individual who I guess kind of reaped havoc all across the country, at least on the

West coast. So Pete. Before break, we were talking about a man named Gordon Jensen who was in an RV park in central California and had a young girl with named Lisa, and another couple living in the same RV park sort of adopted her, kind of convinced him to hand her over as a means to sort of rescue her. And come to find out, the girl was not very well kept. She was sort of abused and abandoned, sexually abused, and he was arrested, he was let out, and now he's

making his way around on the West Coast. And when we went to break, he had just gotten fingerprinted. A few years had gone by and he went in for a live scan, which is a fingerprint service. What did you discover? Then he was still being interviewed by the detectives and they asked him if he'd submit his fingerprints, and he said, yeah, sure, And I don't think he kept up with technology that they could get the fingerprints

back that fast now. And they were still sitting there talking to him when the Prince came back and showed the history of his name Curtis Kimball Gordon Jensen in his previous history and that he was a Pearlee at large and at that point under Pearle terms, they could go search the house that he was staying at, which was Unsten June's, who had been reported missing by her friend Renee Rose. And when they went out to the house to search, they

discovered Unston's body and the basement. She'd been head bloodgeon partially dismembered, and he'd covered her with pounds and pounds of kiddy litter. So didn't what didn't what happened to him. He was arrested for her murder, and he was actually going to plead not guilty, and we believe he overheard Roxane Grundhide, the detective at the time, talking about looking at his previous history, who's

Lisa, who is just really his kid? This doesn't make sense and I'm going to dig into this, And suddenly the next morning he pled out, pled guilty and he was sentenced through instance murder, went to prison for that and all the interviews asking about Lisa, he claimed that he drank too much, he couldn't remember her, didn't remember having her, just wouldn't give out any more information about her. So he went from being an abductor of children

to a murderer of women. Yes, so, but there's so much more here. Let's go back than Pete. You know, years later, you being in this seat now where you're retired and you can look back on this case. Tell us about this guy. I mean, so his legal name was Curtis Kimball, but that's what we believed at the time. That's the furthest back name that we had then based on fingerprint correct, Okay, and with that, but anyone can change their name, I guess and still attach

it to a fingerprint, right, yes, yeah, okay. So were you ever able to determine who this guy was from birth? Eventually we did? Okay, So let's go back there. When did you get the case? Originally I picked up the case and approximately twenty twelve after he was arrested for Unsen's murder, Roxanne grun Hide had gotten DNA testing and compared him to Lisa, and even though he claimed he was her father, turned out they were not related at all. And at that point she contacted our department and

said, hey, you've got a living doe case. He's not the father, And at that point we reopened the investigation on Lisa and tried to determine where he took her and win. So this it fractured into multiple cases all surrounding this one guy, right yeah, yeah, so he gets on your radar because as he has possession of this young girl, everyone assumes she was the daughter of this guy. Come to find out that not only was she not the daughter, but now you have to figure out where this because this

girl is with her now new adoptive parents, right correct. Okay, so what did you do with all of that? How did you approach it? When you when you're looking at a case going back that far, it's very difficult. You're trying to find people, backtrack to suspect further. People have died, people forgot. At one point, one of the phone calls who made at the RV part from a pay phone was to an RV park in Texas, and I figured, all right, I'm a step further back on

where he was and when? And I found the owner of the RV park in Texas, and he kept all the records of everybody that lived there, so I figured somebody there knew him. I'm many years further back now, but he had sold the RV park to Kaway. When I contacted them, they took all those records and threw them out. So it can feel like you're beating your head against a wall sometimes when you're working a cold case. Eventually, did you find anything out? I mean, where did it take

you from there? I mean when you hit your wall against a head, or you hit your head against wall, rather what our next steps. I was familiar with Ancestry from one of my friends that had medically retired. He was bored and he lived across the street from a warm in church and he'd been helping them with records, putting together family trees. And I looked at Ancestry, but it was still a real small database initially, and I kept in touch with Lisa, telling her what we were doing on the case.

Told her, I'm not going to give up. We're gonna find out who you are, so okay, So she didn't know who she was, No, she turned out she was kidnapped at about six months old, and when she was recoverage she was approximately five years old. Oh my gosh, So okay, I just want to when you said that she didn't even know who she was then no, oh okay, gosh, bless her heart. Go

ahead, then I'm sorry. Okay. Ancestry dot Com Okay. So Lisa actually brought it up to me later and we said, what about ancestry And this is by the end of twenty fourteen, And I looked at the database again and EDY got a lot larger. There's a lot more people in the database with their DNA UM. So I said, well, let's try it. So I opened an account for we got her own ancestry, and I got some matches. Okay, we'll talk about that, but first we got

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your message. Welcome back. We're speaking with Pete Headley, retired deputy from the Sanbridadino County Sheriff's Department but also was a member of the Crimes against Children's Unit, and he has been telling us this very complicated case that goes back to the late eighties. And I gotta tell you, Pete, you know, we were talking a little bit off air, and you're telling me he's more and more about this guy, and it just I am mind blown.

I hope we do a good job on breaking this down for the public because this is one individual who led one heck of the live and all the collateral damage he left in his week, the trauma he caused on on so many people. So before the break to recap, a man named Curtis Kimbell is the last name that we had at the time, had connected with a woman named Unsun June and it was a South Korean woman and O two. Now this is after he had already been arrested and released for the abduction of the

young girl named Lisa from an RV park in central California. So now it was because someone had called in a tip about unsoon missing that led you to finding her body buried covered in cat litter by the same man, Curtis Kimball, that also had abducted the girl Lisa years before. Am I right? So far's it got it good? So now he's in prison, and but you still want to go back and because you found out now because the detective on the murder case tipped you off that you had a living Dough, a

living Jane Doe. So this young girl Lisa had absolutely no idea where she came from, who she was. So you opened up an ancestry dot com account and just before break you were about to tell us there was a bunch of matches. What happens next, Well, we got distant matches, and I started trying to figure out how to work with the trees myself. But it's a very steep learning curve if you're not familiar with it at all. So I did some research and I saw that DNA adoption had been helping the

adoptees find their biofamilies. So I sent them an email asking if the methods they use would also help in this case. And it was a BARBARAE. Venner that responded through the website. She started advising me and said, well, you need to get her on all the sites. So we signed her up on family Tree, DNA twenty three and me and then she jumped in and ran with UM. And it took almost a year, but we were able to identify Lisa using genetic genealogy. And it's the first use of genetic

genealogy by law enforcement using the full SNIP profile. What's that profile? It's called a SNIP profile. It's your DNA profile that lets you compare how you're related to other people. Let's stand for because I assume that's an acronym SNIP profile. Yeah, s N I SNP S Oh sorry, okay, and what's that stand for? I would oh sorry, we put you on the spot. Yeah, yeah, I'd have to look at That's what people understand. So basically, it's a it's a database. Yeah, it's a section

of your DNA that shows how you're related to other people. Got it. It doesn't give us your medical information or any of that, right, um. And that's what Ancestry, ft DNA and all those sites use. UM. It's a lot more information than CODUS, the law enforcement database the law enforcement database is a very basic profile for direct comparison. It doesn't show you how you're related to other people. So did you find relatives of this baby

girl, Lisa? Yes, Yes, it's a complicated process. The matches that you have, you have to build their trees back in time, and eventually they're all going to intersect at one couple. And once you get to that point, that's your most recent common ancestor. Then you can safely say from that most recent common ancestor, the subject you're looking for is a descendant of that couple. Then you have to build all the family trees down from

that couple, and that's where you start target testing. And you have to call people up and say, hey, you're related to our victim. We don't know how close or how distant are you willing to test? Give us your DNA, put it into a family tree DNA, and a lot of people back then nobody had heard about this right, and a lot of people thought it was a scam. One lady was afraid I was going to cloner.

Yeah, it was difficult at first, and encourage people, please verify myself, verify my department, And eventually we got more and more people target testing and we were able to get there and what'd you find? Turned out we had a first cousin once removed match and I contacted him and he was able to give me a history of the family and she was actually from Manchester, New Hampshire, and she had been taken in nineteen eighty one out of

New Hampshire. At this point I contacted Manchester Police Department, told him what I had going on, and gave them a copy of my case file and they opened a missing person report for Don Bowden, who was actually Lisa and her mother, Denise Bowden. Lisa's grandfather was still alive and he was able to tell us that his daughter with Lisa six months old back in nineteen eighty one, had moved away with her boyfriend and they'd never heard from her again.

And that was part of what this guy was able to do. He'd take these people and get him to leave with him, so they're voluntarily missing, so there was never any missing person report in the past because they voluntarily moved away. Nobody's going to take a missing person report on him. He

was very good at setting that up. So the grandfather was able to give you more clarity than Yes, he filled us in on when and where Lisa had been taken, and when he was shown a picture of our curd Kimball, he identified him as his daughter's boyfriend who was going by Bob Evans back in Campshire. Wow, another alias? H and you suppose that was ever a real name or was that just a fake name? Also? Okay, so when we come back, we are now adding another name to this long

list of aliases from this guy that we started as as Curtis Kimball. For the sake of the show today, but when we come back, I want to talk about what were you able to get a path of what happened after Bob Evans and his girlfriend and then the girlfriend's daughter Lisa. Were you able to get a pattern of where they went? Yes? Okay, good, hold on to that thought. When we come back, we'll talk more with Pete Hedley. But first, this is Unsolved with Steve greg Ryan camp I

AM six forty. You're listening to I AM sixty on demand kf I AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. I'm Steve Gregory and this is Unsolved. Welcome back. We're talking with Pete Headley. He is a retired detective from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. We're actually out in San Bernardino County. Pete used to be a member of the Crimes against Children's unit at the department and he picked a case up in twenty twelve that has stuck with

him all these years. It's the case of Lisa. Actually, you called it the who am I Lisa? Case? Correct? Why? Why?

Why? I mean? Who am I Lisa? Because she literally did not know who was where she came from, which brings us now to right before the break, you said that you had gone through this tedious task of giving young Lisa an ancestry dot Com account because you didn't realize that she did not have a pass that you could could map out, and because a homicide detective tied to the case of as we know, Curtis Kimball at the time, discovered that Curtis Kimball is the one that had possession of Lisa at an RV

park back in the late eighties, and you were able to use ancestry dot Com to trace Lisa's origins back to New Hampshire and they were able to track down her grandfather the grandfather told you after showing a picture of who you thought was Curtis Kimball. The grandfather said, oh, that's Bob Evans, the boyfriend of my daughter, and they took off. Is that about right?

That's right, okay, so pick it up from there, okay. Lisa's grandfather had said that he was spreading stories around that they owed money to people, bad people, to some. He insinuated that it was drug dealers. So when they moved away, suddenly nobody thought anything of it. But then as time went on they never heard from her again. But again he was very good at setting him up as a voluntary missing so there was never any

missing person report. So at that time New Hampshire Manchester, New Hampshire Police Department generated a missing person report for both of them. Don Bowden was a daughter, was Lisa, and Denise Boden was her mother. Denise is still missing out there. I'm sure she's dead. He dumped her somewhere, but

her remains have not been found yet. Now, I had been working on the Lisa case with NECMEC, which is a National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and they told me, hey, there's another case down the road that has similar m for four murder victims. It was head bludgeoning and partial dismemberment that were left in barrels near bear Brook State Park. And you really

need to talk to New Hampshire State Police. So I got in touch with them and we started comparing notes and started connecting dots between now Bob Evans and the bear Brook murders. And then we got the freeway connector doing DNA testing. The one child in the barrel that was unrelated to the other three victims was his bio child, So it was this Bob Evans biochild, correct, So he presumably killed his own child, yes, okay, And as far

as where her mother is, odds are she's dead too. And then they started working on identifying the woman and her two daughters that were in the barrels. Also, Barbara ray Vnter worked with them also on that um And there's

there's a lot of private sluice out there that do research. And Barbara had been putting together a family tree on the victims and at about the same time let me pull up her name as Rebecca Heath that contacted me and she'd seen on family Finder that people these folk were looking for their sister that had two daughters, and the time frame match, the ages matched, And when I talked to Barbara, she already had the name of that person in her tree.

It was Marley's honey Church and her two daughters that was Marie and Sarah. And it turned out that was who those victims were in the barrels and the barrels. Yes. Wow, So now this guy we went from Curtis Kimball to Bob Evans, and Bob Evans might have been tied. Now let me ask you, then, this is all after the fact, This is after he's already in prison. Is he still in prison at this point? He died in prison in two thousand and ten, Okay, so he's he's

Oh, he died in two thousand and ten. Okay. So then you picked up the case of Lisa two years after he already died. So you were just trying to give Lisa's enclosure, yes, okay, got it, Okay, But then he died in two thousand and ten. Now, all this new information about New Hampshire, when did that come out? When were

you discovering all of that? And it was March twenty fifteen that I contacted Barbara Raventter, and it was until the next year, nineteen eighty six, that we placed her back in New Hampshire and actually identified her as don Bowden. Okay, so this is all this was all after he's dead and gone, correct. Okay, so this is all about for you now, Pete.

This sounds like this is all really about closure and just just getting to the truth and settling all of this, right, yeah, Okay, yeah, because it just sounds like every time you, you know, you go through another door, another door shuts, another one opens, and it just seems I can't ever catch up or did any of this. At what point were you just shaking your head, going this can't be real. It was

just a matter of keep digging. What else is there? Obviously there's a lot more to this, and we had since we had him leaving New Hampshire in nineteen eighty one, and he showed up in Anaheim, Southern California in nineteen eighty four. We had a three year gap there and we didn't know where he had been, but we were getting a feel for what his mo was by that point, and he would befriend a young single mom with kids, and he'd have a child from the previous victim, and he'd be playing

the poor mey single dad. And when you say he had a child, he would he would abduct that child. Basically right, he wasn't having his own birth children. Well, at one point he did, only the one that you say was found in the barrel. Yeah, okay, But but his emi moving forward is that he was literally picking up these single moms with children, killing the mom and taking the child. Yeah. Once he had

totally had control of this person, isolated them from their family. Once he looks like he got bored with toy in with them and lay and physically he'd kill the woman. The youngest child he'd take with them, and he'd used that youngest child as to come on to the next victim. Poordny said his

dad. In the meantime, he's blessed in a torturing the kid and Marles Enter two kids were actually from from southern California, and he had isolated him from their family and moved him across the country to New Hampshire and New Hampshire and ended up killing them there. When we come back, I want to find out what the connection is between Bob Evans and New Hampshire. But first This is unsolved with Steve Gregory on KFI AM six forty. You're listening to

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a commentent about the show. Just tap the red microphone on the app and record your message. Welcome back. We're speaking with Pete Headley. We're in San Brendardino County and Pete is a retired deputy from the San Brendardino County Sheriff's Department who was a member of the Crimes against Children's Unit. He's telling us about a case. It takes us back to nineteen eighty six, but he

picked up the case in twenty twelve. He's been trying all this time to give some closure to a young back then was a young girl who had been abducted by a man who's gone by a number of different names. And in the process, Pete's been talking about how he's been There's just been this parallel thing going on where he's trying to figure out who Lisa is, her background, but also at the same time this man with multiple identities about where he

came from and the crimes that he committed along the way. Before break, you were talking a lot about the connection with New Hampshire, and you know, we started at the beginning of the show with a man that you identified as actually you identified him as Curtis Kimball, and then we find out he went from Curtis Kimball to Bob Evans and one of the things along the way

is that you were trying to figure out who this guy really was. He ended up being arrested and put into prison, and he died in You said twenty ten, died in prison, but he because he was convicted for the murder of a woman that he befriended and duped. Whoo, Pete, did you ever find out who the heck this guy is or who he was? Eventually we did. He had died in prison in twenty ten. The policy at that time in High Desert President where he was was if there was no

family, they would cremate him dumped the ashes out to sea. So I thought were dead ended. But I went back to the m E who did his autopsy and they saved a blood card. We were able to get that and get a snip profile, and using the same methods as we used on Lisa, we were able to identify him positively as Terry Rasmussen. Terry Rasmussen, so we write that one down. So that's another name, and so this we're talking about genealogical DNA, correct, right, Okay, Terry Rasmussen.

So then did that open up some doors for you? Yeah? At that point I forwarded everything to New Hampshire State Police, and they contacted his family that he had been, that he had when he was under his real name, Terry Rasmussen, his birth name, and they were still alive. What members of his family were still alive? All of them really? That his wife that he was married to under the rasmus a name. They had

three kids, two girls, a boy. And when his wife he was abusive to them also obviously, and when she found out that he was abusing one of the kids, that's when she said, we're getting divorced. That's it. She took the kids and ran Otherwise, I told him you'd all be did too. Wow. And then were they able to give you any other insight on him other than other than that? Or did you learn anything else from other family members that were his parents still alive? No parents were

dead. We did have places that he actually lived at that point. Then once we had his real name, we were able to look at where he was born, where he went to high school, etc. And track him. Now way, did you learn anything about him growing up? I mean, did you find out anything about what would possess a guy to do the things he did? I had him profiled further back in the case by a forensic psychologist that I'd worked with. It was really good and he as the

case progressed, everything he had told me was very accurate. One of the things that he'd said was, if you could go back far enough in time, this guy tortured animals as a kid, and he started killing at an early age, which I believe that looking back over the case kind of desensitized him. He just there was no care for life. Right. Yeah. It again, when you go to people that are torturing animals, they're probably just going to look at people as things for their entertainment, and when they

get bored with torturing them, then they'd kill them. So you tracking back, and this was all in New Hampshire, right, He grew up in New Hampshire. Now, actually he was born in Colorado and he went to high school in Arizona. Oh, my gosh, born in Colorado, went to high school in Arizona. And then he didn't complete high school and he went in the Navy and that's where he was trained as an electrician. Wow. So when did it become a Southern California connection for him from the Navy

you think, or how did he get into the southern California area. UM difficult to say. Well, he was actually living in the Bay Area with his family, bunch family, under the Rasmussen name, under the Rasmussen name, Okay, under his legal name, the birth name, and so he was in the Bay Area. So that's so. Where was the New Hampshire connection? How did it? How did it? How did he go from the Bay Area on the west coast? How did you end up in New

Hampshire any idea? I don't know if he had any action there or not. But he bounced all over the country. We had him in Colorado, we had him in Washington, Texas. The truck that he was staying in at the Holiday host RV park had Texas plates. He was actually, under

his real name, worked for oil company in Texas. So if we were to go back here, when you picked up the case in twenty twelve, and it was because of the crimes committed against young Lisa, that was she was just one tiny part of the entire operation, right, I mean she was. I mean it was a big obviously a big trauma to her, but in the overall scheme of things, she was just one little tiny piece in this overall life of this man. Right, So, how old was

this guy? I guess if we want to go back to nineteen eighty six and the Holiday host RV park in Central Valley, in the Central Valley of California, how old was he then? Um? You know I have to go back and find his real data birth to tell you that. Okay, we had under his akas we had so many different data births. How old was he when he died? Do you know? I believe he was in his late sixties, late sixties. Sixties, yeah, late sixties or early

seventies. Again, I would have to go back. It's there's so many details in this case that I'm still trying to wrap my head around. The people in the barrel, the kids in the barrel, you know. So, Um, when we come back, I want to stry. I want to try to go back and see if we can and do some sort of a recap and start to build up a recap to bring people up to speed on all the different things this guy's done. But first this is unsolved.

With Steve Gregory on kf I AM six forty. You're listening to kf I AM six forty on demand KFI AM six forty lie everywhere. On the iHeartRadio app. I'm Steve Gregory. This is Unsolved who We've been talking with Pete Headley about this incredible, incredible case of this man who spent years conning single

moms all across the country. And Pete, it was your assertion that you believe this man would befriend these women and then when he was done with them, literally kill them, but take their children and use them as bait to grab another new single mom. And that cycle continued for many many years until he was caught and arrested for the murder of Unsun June. And I'm sorry, I refresh my memory. Where was Unston June at? Where does she

live? She was in Contra Coast to Contracast County in California, right, so she was caught or he was caught there. He died in prison. The man died in prison in twenty ten. So far we've known him as Curtis Kimball, Bob Evans. And then you say, finally, after many many years, you were able to track him down. And his birth name was Terry Rasmussen. He was born in Colorado but grew up in Arizona. What did you learn about him, you know, whether in Colorado or Arizona.

What did you learn about him in Arizona? Did you find out anything about his past? Yeah, we found the high school that he went to, and again I had him profiled by a forensic psychologist that I'd worked with. It was really sharp and he had said, yeah, this is one of those guys that tortured animals as a kid, and then he graduated to people. There's two pictures from when he was in high school, one year apart, these two pictures, and if you look at him, he does

navin looked like the same kid. You wouldn't recognize him as the same person. And I can't say for sure, but I really believe that that's when he graduated from animals to people that year. This clinical psychologist, there's forensic psychologists he spoke with m Did they give you a sense in the profile of what child kind of a childhood? He might have? Had no specifics, just that he's sure that he tortured animals as a kid. But was this

Terry ever abused as a child or anything like that? Isn't it typically what happens in these cases? They not necessarily so, then Terry Rasmussen now he goes from Arizona in his high school years. He grows up and he joins the Navy. Eventually he settles down in the Bay Area, and that's where he has a wife and a family. Correct, So under his name Rasmus and the Rasmusen And what kind of a life did they lead up there?

It looked normal on the surface, but then we found there was a woman who he worked with that he's starting affair with, and he was an incredible convent. He talked her into moving into their house to help take care of the kids. So his mistress he had, he talked his mistress into moving into the house. Correct, And then things got two tents. So he moved her to Colorado and wait years do you think this happened? Um?

This is oh god, I'd have to go back. But like you said, I need a flow chart for all the yea, you need a flow chart for this corporate flowchart. So I would assume it's probably in the seventies early eighties, yes, okay, okay, sorry, seventies okay. So he moves her to Colorado and sets her up in an apartment there, drives back and staying with his family, stays in touch with her by phone, and I really think that she was out from under his influence long enough,

and she ran out of money. She went out and got a job of her own, moved to a different apartment. Then one day she gets a call and he says, oh, we're going to move you over here now. And again she was out from under his influence long enough. She said no, no, no, I got a job now. Da da da da. And she went home that night and all of her personal belongings were

moved out of her apartment. He had gone to her apartment manager convinced him that he was helping her move, and he led him into the apartment and moved out to all of her personal belongings. At that point she reported the theft of her belongings, and then he left her alone, went back to California. And I told her, if you had would have let him move you, you would have disappeared to So you actually spoke to the mistress, Yes, yes, wow? What so what else was she able to tell

you about him? When I was talking to her, she kept saying, how did I let him talk me into that? How did I don't get it? How did he convince me of doing that. So he had an incredible influence on people. Once he picked out a target and focused, they didn't stand much of a chance. Apparently he was very charming. Then I guess was he could be. He could and he spoke. He was smart.

He spoke numerous languages fluently, had an incredible memory. For example, when he was pulled over in Saint Louis Obispo in eighty eight with the stolen car, he threw out the name Jerry Markerman, gave the correct social Security number, day to birth, everything, And Mockerman is a real person. I talked to him and he had had all of his paperwork stolen out of his truck in Colorado and he had just gone for a job interview, so everything was there and he stored it in his head and popped it off,

you know, in nineteen eighty eight when he got pulled over. So he's a photographic memory, speaks multiple languages. When he'd show up in a new place, he'd throw on an accent, different accents. Usually he'd show up clean shaven and then grow a beer that. I think that's where they gave him the nickname Chamillion. He could just blend in wherever he was wow. So then he was in the Bay Area with his family under still under his

birth name, Terry Rasmussen. He moved his mistress in with the family, but then moved the mistress to Colorado in her own apartment, and trying to retain control of her, she got wise decided to go off on her own, but he left her alone because she called the cops on him after he moved all our personal belongings out right, correct? Okay? So then what

happens to him after that? His wife finally discovers that he'd been burning their son with cigarette butts, and she had been She had filed for divorce before or and then he talked her into not doing it, and finally, with that torturing their own son, she'd had enough, divorced in, took the kids and ran. Okay, and then where did the family go? Where did the wife and the kids go? Then? I don't remember exactly where they went. Initially they were they were back in Arizona, and then left

from there, and then where did Rasmussen go at this point? At that point, it looks like he met Marles and moved her from southern California to New Hampshire in about nineteen seventy eight. Okay, and we'll stop there. When we come back more of this bizarre and very complicated case. But first, this is Unsolved with Steve Gregory on kf I AM six forty time now for a news update. You're listening to kf I AM sixty on demand, kf I AM six forty lie everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. I'm Steve Gregory

and this is Unsolved. Welcome back, Thanks for joining us. We've been speaking with Pete Headley about this most fascinating and very bizarre case of Terry Rasmussen. That's his birthday, but throughout the last couple of hours we've been talking about him as Curtis Kimball and Bob Evans and about this bizarre behavior that this man had over the years. And before the break, Pete, you were talking about how Rasmussen's family, wife and children had left him out of the

Bay Area. His mistress, who he tried to relocate to Colorado, got wise and she separated all contact with him. And now you say he's kind of left alone. What happens next? At some point he met Marley's honey, church kids and Marlsa's siblings and family actually met him and he was still going by his real name in southern California. Again, he was very good at isolating his victims from the family, and he had convinced her to move

with him, and the family never heard from her again. And they're the ones that ended up in the barrels of New Hampshire. And we figured he went to New Hampshire about in nineteen seventy eight or so, and then when he left in nineteen eighty one with Lisa, And we don't know if Denise, her mother was still alive when he left or where he dumped her body. So he showed up in southern California about nineteen eighty four. He was

working as an electrician, made up a resume very believable. They hired him and one of his co workers babies for Lisa and another six month old child, a little girl, and when he shows up at the holiday host RV park, it's just Lisa, So odds are that six month old is also dead and her mother wherever he picked her up at Also there was a woman that he was seeing dating that had young child or children, and odds are she's also dead. One of the jobs that he got fired from. It

was because he stole a bandsaw from a job site. What did he need that for? With his history of partial dismemberment of victims. So with those victims in Anaheim about nineteen eighty five, we have no remains, so no DNA to test, and I don't have a name on him, but we

know they existed. We have eyewitnesses. So the only way we're going to get their names and identify him if somebody from back then remembers, Hey, my neighbor, my co worker, young single mom with kids, was dating some guy and she moved away suddenly and we never heard from her again. It's just kind of weird the way she moved away suddenly. That could be

it. Okay, I want to focus more on that. But what I want to do now, I want to let you say all that because I want to go back down and I'll go back and unpack a few things. So when rassmissing after his wife and children left him in the Bay Area, he came to southern California. Correct, He met Marleys at some point Marleies and this is Honey Church, correct. Okay. Then they relocated to New Hampshire. He moved them to move them to New Hampshire. So this honey

church, she had how many children, two daughters, two daughters. Okay. Then at some point along the way, this woman and her two daughters were found in the barrels and his bio child. Okay, So the two dollars daughters, one was his and one was hers. No, there was two daughters of Marley's. And then there was another child. So there's four victims total. Oh, and another daughter that would have is his birth daughter,

his biological daughter, excuse me, his biological daughter. Okay. So the three children and the women were all found in barrels, the woman and the three children yet right, okay, And that was never pinned on him, right, I mean they were never able to conclusively figure out that he was tied to that right well, being that it was his own bio daughter and the barrels along with Marley's and her daughters, it's pretty certain it was

him, Okay, but nothing, but that was never a case. It was brought, you know, never filed, right, No, because they

were discovered and he was long gone. He was long gone. So then after he leaves him in the barrels in New Hampshire, he went where again went back to southern California, correct, with Lisa, with Lisa, and that was Lisa from that was the young girl from Denise, yes, right, okay, and that was Denise Um that was his girlfriend, and that's the Denise's father is the one that was able to give you all the information about Lisa, right, correct, Okay through ancestry, and it led you

back to that. So Denise was the girlfriend and the and the mother of Lisa Um or Don bowden is Lisa's real name? Oh, Don Boden, Right, Okay, Lisa's just the name you guys gave her. Right, Actually, it's the name that he was using for he was Then they come back out to the West coast then, right, Yes, what happened to the mother of Lisa presumed dead? I'm sure she's dead, but we have no idea where he dumped her remains. She's not been found. I've been

found. Looking back at this peat, how many dead bodies could be attributed to him? Do you think you know the actual count we have? You know the victims and Anaheim that I'm sure dead, we have Oonsen, the Barebert victims, Lisa's mom, but he would look him back on him. He would cycle through victims every about three years. So if you plug that in, we have no idea how many. It could be a lot.

Is anyone trying to piece this? I mean, you're retired now and you've you've been gracious enough to break this down for us, But um, whether yourself or someone else, is someone out there trying to maybe tie missing persons cases together and figure all this out and see if if he's the center of all of this. It's going to be very difficult. Yeah, it's just so tough with this guy. The way he set him up as voluntary missing

so there's no missing person report. He'd move them across the country. It's going to be tough. When we come back, we're gonna wrap up with Pete. It's done a pretty good job keeping us trying to keep us focusing on track with this very complicated gaze. And then let's talk more about what you want from people about Orange County victims in Orange County, Okay, But first this is unsolved with Steve Gregory on camf I AM six forty. You're listening to kf I AM sixty on demand. K if I AM six forty

heard Everywhere live on the iHeartRadio app. I'm Steve Gregory and this is Unsolved. If you're listening on the app, you can send us a tip about a case, story, idea or a comment about the show. Just tap the red microphone on the app and record your message. Welcome back. We're wrapping up this bizarre case of Terry Rasmusser, who we've come to know as Curtis Kimball and Bob Evans, among others. I'm sure Pete Headley has been

given us the breakdown. He was a member of the Crimes against Children's Unit at the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department and picked up the case in twenty twelve because of a young girl who was called Lisa at the time. Come to find out that her real name was Dawn. But you've unpacked a lot of

stuff for us, Pete over the last couple hours. But one of the things that you say still kind of sticks with you is you believe this guy, Terry Rasmussen, is responsible for the disappearance and probable death of another woman and children from Anaheim back in nineteen eighty five. Give us the details on

that. Yeah, he showed up in Anaheim he's working as an electrician and one of his co workers babysat for Lisa and another six month old child, and later on it's just Lisa. And also he was seen in a car with a woman when he went to pick up a check and there was other children in the car, and he said he was dating her. And so we're sure she's dead too. She may have been an unofficial apartment manager.

We backtracked him to some apartments back in that time frame. And with Lisa, when she was recovered, she was asked if she had siblings and she said, yeah, but they died from eating quote unquote grass mushrooms when we were out camping. And it's looking like that was probably the other woman's kids that she was referring to. Yeah, because the timeline fits, you're talking about the woman and children last seen in nineteen eighty five. Lisa and Terry

Rasmussen were seen in eighty six at the Harvey Park in Central California. So, now what is it. I mean, there's a a plea to the public then, right, I mean, if you're going back forty three years, yeah, it's it's quite a ways back. But the only shot we have at it is if somebody remembers a co worker or a neighbor, maybe an apartment manager unofficial apartment manager, young, single, bomb with kid or kids, that suddenly moved away and never heard from her again, and it

just struck them as kind of weird. If they are out there and hear this and that's a situation, then that may well be her. So to go back though, let's backtrack. Then we're talking nineteen eighty five in Anaheim, correct, right, that's when she was last seen Anaheim area. And then you say that she might also have ties to an apartment complex, right, correct? And where's that apartment companies? One of them was in Fullerton, another one in Anaheim. They're all right there in Orange County area.

Okay, So this is one of those situations. This a hail Mary, you know, absolutely, yeah, right, and I get it. But you know what, I've been surprised many times before on cases we've highlighted in the people that call. So again, if anyone remembers a woman with children who just suddenly disappeared one day, whether it was your neighbor or someone you knew down the road from church or whatever the case was, it just one

day, was there and the next day they weren't right moved away. Usually that's the m O. They just suddenly move away and they're never heard from again. Okay, In our last few minutes, Pete, let's see if I can piece this all together. We find out that Terry Rasmussen was born in Colorado, grew up in Arizona at least as high school years. You say that you saw some photos of this guy, and based on the photos one year apart that you think he went from killing Anna to killing people.

You got that from a forensic psychologist that did a profile on him. Then Terry joins the Navy and he eventually settles in the Bay Area with his wife and children. At that time, he has a mistress a co worker. Moves the mistress in with the family, then moves the mistress to Colorado. Mistress gets wise, takes off. Terry wanted to still have some control, moved all of her stuff out of her apartment in Colorado. She calls the police, He disappears, leaves her alone, then comes back. He was

abusing his children. Then his wife and kids move from the Bay Area. They take off. Terry eventually migrates down to southern California, where he meets Marley's home church Honey Church. Accuse me, Marley's Honey Church and her two daughters, moves them to New Hampshire. He has a child of his own with this Marlis. Then they end up being found Marlise and the two daughters and the daughter from him from Terry Rasmussen in Beryls. By then he's long

gone, presumably back to the southern California les central California. Yeah. Actually, one quick correction there. The child that he had, he did not have that child with Marley's. It was with another woman. Oh gosh. Yeah, so we presume she's dead too. But he brought her along, but he had the daughter along. But but meet her that that may have been the come on to Marley's port may single dad from our previous victim. But you were able to determine it was a birth child. Yeah, it

was his biological child. I keep saying birth child from another woman, not Marley's. But that child and the two daughters were found along with Marlise Honey Church in Beryls in New Hampshire. Correct dead. Then that's when he eventually has has this girl, Lisa with him, who we find it's real name was Don, but ends up having Lisa, And then we're up to about nineteen eighty six when he was discovered in the RV park. Then that's when

things start to unravel there. Eventually he is arrested in early two thousands for the death the murder of Unsun June in also in central California. And that was a Contra Costa, right, Contra Costa. That's California right right. And then he dies in prison in twenty ten. You've tried to do your best to unravel this thing. You gave Lisa's enclosure when you actually found out her real name was Don Bowden Bowden, don Boden, and Lee gave her an idea of who she really was. How's she doing now? Um,

she wants to stay away from anything about the case. I can understand that she refused to talk to any media. UM. Something else to throw in there. When when we finally figured out who she was, UM, I was able to call her up then tell her you know that this is who you are. I'll get you a copy of your real birth certificate. And

she's been in touch with her real family now since then. But a few weeks after I called her to tell her, hey, you're gone bowed, And she called me back and said, well, what do I do? Do I change my name? Do I change my day to birth? But you know what a thing to have to think of. Yeah, you don't think about those things when it's the last time he's spoken to her. It's been a couple of years, a couple of years old. Are you comfortable

now, Pete on that she's going to be fine moving forward. I'm sure someone like her is probably gonna have having gone through her, going through therapy, or any kid that's gone THROUGHS. B Molsted, they're gonna have permanent scars. Yeah. And then the more she discovers about what she was tied to. Yeah, Pete, thank you so much for this amazing journey, this crazy, crazy journey with this very sick and twisted individual. You did

a really good job breaking this down. But I really appreciate you bringing it to our attention. That's my pleasure. I know it's a very complicated case, you know. Thanks again, Pete, And that's going to do it unsolved with Steve Gregory. The radio show is a production of the KFI News Department for iHeartMedia, Los Angeles and is produced by Steve Gregory and Jacob Gonzalez. Our field engineer is Tony Sarrantino and our digital producer is Nate Ward.

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