HD Moore is most famous for his creation of the Metasploit penetration testing framework. It began in 2003 and hit the OT world in 2011. HD is now the Founder and CTO of RunZero, another cybersecurity startup that is starting to play in the OT Space. In this episode we spend the first third of the show talking about Metasploit ... early reaction, OT modules, is Metasploit still necessary and useful today. We then shift to creating asset inventories in IT and OT, which is what RunZero does. Why H...
Jul 26, 2023•35 min•Season 2023Ep. 21
Dale is often critical of the US Government's efforts and programs to address OT cyber risk. So it's a pleasure to highlight a program that is working. Samantha Ravich, Chair of the Center on Cyber and Technology Innovation at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, joins Dale to discuss the US Department of Energy's OT Defender Fellowship Program. They begin by describing the program, its goals, what are ideal candidates for the program, and the early results from the first few cohorts. ...
Jul 19, 2023•37 min•Season 2023Ep. 20
Eric Cosman had a 38 year career at Dow Chemical, was on the ISA 99 committee its inception, and then he retired. After retirement Eric joined ARC Advisory Group as a Contributing Consultant and got even more active with ISA. He is a long time co-chair of ISA99 and was President of ISA in 2020. Eric and Dale discuss: Dow's in house developed DCS and SIS: MOD Eric's top trend from 2022: The value of open automation and the Open Process Automation Forum ISA/IEC 62433 Eric's view they are "primaril...
Jul 12, 2023•55 min•Season 2023Ep. 19
Mark Hyman of Verge Management Group joins Dale to discuss the big 3 stories of Q2 along with their win, fail and predication. Big Stories The OT Security Layoffs (Mark is a recruiter specialized in ICS/OT security) Still No US National Cyber Director? The Merck NotPetya Insurance Claim Ruling Plus they both have a win, fail and prediction at the end.
Jul 05, 2023•1 hr•Season 2023Ep. 18
Josh Corman is the VP of Cyber Safety Strategy at Claroty, was the Chief Strategist of the CISA COVID Task Force, and founder of I Am The Cavalry. Josh and I dive into Healthcare Security, SBOMs and other topics. Can OT in healthcare be treated in a similar way as the factory, power plant, water treatment plant, ... ? The first fatality due to a cyber attack on a hospital. Should we be focusing our efforts on reducing the impact if ransomware hits a healthcare facility? What is the equivalent to...
Jun 28, 2023•1 hr 5 min•Season 2023Ep. 17
This episode is a replay of a lively panel from the Cyber Security Agency of Singapore's OT Cybersecurity Expert Panel (OTCEP) last year. It begins with a great introduction to the Top 20 Secure PLC Coding Practices by Sarah Fluchs. At the 35 minute mark the panel discussion begins. There was a lot more disagreement and back and forth than the typical panel. This gives you a variety of points of view and positions to consider. Paul Griswold moderated the panel of Dr. Ong Chen Hui, Joel Langill, ...
Jun 21, 2023•1 hr 25 min•Season 2023Ep. 16
How much does a security control reduce cyber risk? What control or mix of controls provides the most efficient cyber risk reduction? Tough questions that a team of researchers at INL and Sandia tried to answer in a project. Two of the researchers, Jay Johnson of Sandia and Jake Gentle of INL, join Dale on the show to talk about the metrics and results. The project was Cyber Resilience for Wind Installations, but the metrics and results are applicable to every sector. We get into the weeds on th...
May 17, 2023•50 min•Season 2023Ep. 15
Ralph Langner, Megan Samford and Zach Tudor join Dale Peterson on the S4 Main Stage to close out S4x23. This Closing Panel is always an attendee favorite as none of these four are afraid to take a strong and even unconventional stance on at OT security topic or issue.
May 10, 2023•40 min•Season 2023Ep. 14
Dale Peterson interview CESER Director Puesh Kumar on the S4x23 Main Stage. We discuss a number of CESER programs how they are measuring success, what has not worked, why they are doing some things industry is already doing and more. 5:30 Where is the CESER CRISP program (detection and information sharing) today? Has it stopped or reduced the impact (outages and others) of cyber attacks on the electric sector? How will they measure the success of this program? 10:40 What has CESER tried, thought...
May 03, 2023•33 min•Season 2023Ep. 13
Chris Blask has a long career bringing new ideas to reality. He currently is Vice President of Strategy at Cybeats, who has a SBOM Studio product. Cybeats is different in that SBOM Studio does not create SBOMs. This requires SBOMs to be available from somewhere, and Dale & Chris spend a lot of the podcast talking about the SBOM market today and in the future. What percentage of the OT software solutions have SBOMs today? What will that number be in three years, five years, seven years? When ...
Apr 26, 2023•47 min•Season 2023Ep. 12
The August 2021 Unsolicited Response episode with Edgard Capdevielle, CEO of Nozomi Networks, was a fan favorite. So Dale invited Edgard back, like the first time it was a wide ranging and fun conversation. His budget analogy of OT security and a new child in the family was Dale's favorite part. They cover a lot of ground including: the OT visibility and detection market growth in the last two years whether he stands by his 2021 view that a company that does "X, Y, Z and OT security" doesn't rea...
Apr 19, 2023•46 min•Season 2023Ep. 11
Dale Peterson interviews cybersecurity legend Gene Spafford on the S4x23 Main Stage. Some of what they cover is: how to deal with securing legacy systems the incredibly productive 3 years of firsts including host IDS, network IDS, honeypot, network vulnerability scanner, and more. What led to this amazing production? The upcoming 25th year of CERIAS His new book Cybersecurity Myths and Misconceptions ... Avoiding the Hazards and Pitfalls that Derail Us and digging into some of those myths (Cyber...
Apr 12, 2023•31 min•Season 2023Ep. 10
Marty Edwards joins Dale Peterson to discuss the big stories of the first quarter of 2023. The US National Cybersecurity Strategy ISA / ISASecure starting an OT Site Assessment Certification Ransomware Affecting Operations (indirectly) Marty and Dale then give their win and fail for Q1 and a prediction.
Apr 05, 2023•59 min•Season 2023Ep. 9
Dale Peterson talks with Matt Wyckhouse, Founder and CEO, of Finite State about where the SBOM products and market is today and where it will go in the future. This discussion was informed by the SBOM Challenge at S4x23. Who is the primary buyer of SBOM products and services today? (Hint: Matt thinks that 80% of the code in a product is third party) How accurate are the products, and the Finite State product in particular, in creating a SBOM? How much is the value of a SBOM degraded if it is not...
Mar 29, 2023•50 min•Season 2023Ep. 8
Dale Peterson interviewed Puesh Kumar on the S4x23 Main Stage. Puesh is the Director of the US Dept of Energy's Cybersecurity, Energy Security, & Emergency Response (CESER). The lead US Government OT cybersecurity agency in the energy sector. After Puesh gives a 3 minute overview on CESER, they dig into it. How are they measuring CRISP's detection and analysis progress? Has it stopped or limited the impact of any attacks? What is one of the CESER programs that didn't work and what did they l...
Mar 22, 2023•33 min•Season 2023Ep. 7
Steve Mustard took his 30 years of experience and wrote Industrial Cybersecurity: Case Studies and Best Practices , published by ISA. After talking about who the book is for and the writing process, Dale and Steve dig into the details. Given Steve's longtime involvement and leadership with ISA, it's not surprising the book leans heavily on ISA/IEC 62443. They talk chapters on architecture, certification, optimism / pessimism, risk management and a fundamental misunderstanding of IT by OT. Some a...
Mar 15, 2023•43 min•Season 2023Ep. 6
Dale's interview with Michael Fischerkeller, co-author of the bood Cyber Persistence Theory. The first half of the interview digs into Cyber Persistence Theory. Why Michael believes cyber is a new and third strategic environment (in addition to conventional and nuclear) What is meant by cyber being an environment of exploitation and not coercion The theory's different use of initiative and why the theory believes it is the important element to winning ("initiative rather than restraint is necess...
Mar 07, 2023•31 min•Season 2023Ep. 5
Matt Morris and Mark Mattei of 1898 & Co. joined Dale to talk OT Managed Security Services as 1898 recently introduced an OT Managed Threat Protection and Response service. The discussion included: what they are monitoring in the OT environment the OT MSP competitive landscape (OT detection vendors, ICS vendors, large consulting vendors, ...) can you / should you monitor OT separate from IT how 1898 deals with competing partners (such as Claroty, Dragos and Nozomi) that they resell and insta...
Mar 01, 2023•39 min•Season 2023Ep. 4
Bill Fehrman is the CEO of Berkshire Hathaway Energy, co-chair of the Electricity Subsector Coordinating Council, and chair of the E-ISAC. The major topics Dale and Bill discuss include: The US Government / Electric Sector information sharing program around detection information and threat intel. Have they stopped or reduced the impact of attacks? What are the metrics they are using to determine if these resources are worth it? How is the industry and BHE positioned to recovery from a major outa...
Feb 23, 2023•31 min•Season 2023Ep. 3
Tom VanNorman and Don Weber join Dale to describe the ICS Capture The Flag competition they will be running at S4x23, Feb 13 - 16 in Miami South Beach. S4x23 web site
Jan 18, 2023•33 min•Season 2023Ep. 2
Donna Cusimano, Kim Legelis, and Saltanat Mashirov join Dale Peterson to talk about the Women In ICS Security Program at S4x23, Feb 13-16 in Miami South Beach. (see s4xevents.com/women). These are three of a team of volunteers that have put together important career, education, and networking opportunities for the 100 free Women in ICS Security ticket holders and another ~150 women who will attend on a paid ticket. Really impressed and looking forward to seeing what this will accomplish....
Jan 11, 2023•31 min•Season 2023Ep. 1
Ralph Langner joins Dale on the Unsolicited Response Show to discuss Asset Management. They begin with the need for more exploration in OT, and more failures. After that they tackle: - Why Ralph decided to shift his company and focus from consulting / speaking to product - Is his OT Base, and asset management, a security product? - What are the elements of asset management? Do they all belong in one product? - OT, asset management and other, with ServiceNow and other enterprise solutions dealing...
Dec 21, 2022•1 hr 16 min•Season 2022Ep. 51
