113: Fresh Mall

I don't mind the shrinkage. You. Say hello and welcome to lucky episode number 113 of unrelenting Dean. Yeah, and it's April 26th, so that's 13 times 2 a.m.. Which explains why I just want to go through our multitude of support and donations for the show right up front, because it's going to take such a long time. Ooh, sir. No, this came in with 60 satoshis, which I rounded up to $0.04. Yes. This show is well funded today, kids. Wow. $0.04. We are hitting the big time for this show.

For this show with the sin tastic cotton gin. Says I wish I could transport $10 to Darren. Oh, right. Now, you know, we have the technology to do that. Got you. Yes, we have the magic way to do it. Although I'm still in the process of setting up the lightning node. Well, it's set up. It's just sitting there now waiting for channels because I was all, you know, kind of in on it. And then.

Yeah, our buddy see, Brooklyn was like, you know, I would open up some channels, but I've had problems with multiple podcasters who then just took their nodes off line. and I guess if you open a channel to somebody and then they disappear, getting your money back may be nearly impossible. in in. Well, it's not supposed to be. Oh. I'm sorry. No brakes of that cotton gin. I'm sorry. I didn't want to put the $10 out of you. And it shouldn't be right. it shouldn't be.

It's the way it's supposed to work is when you. When you put money into the network, everything is proxied. So no actual transfer happens. It's kind of like Bank does the same thing, right? or like credit cards. So when you go out to eat, they swipe your card. They don't even know what the total amount is going to be. They don't know what kind of tipper you are. And so they put in a much larger amount usually right, to make sure you got to know.

And yeah, to make sure you got enough with the tip. And then they finalize the transaction, with a smaller amount. So the way it's supposed to work and this is a very non-technical explanation, is very similar to where, when you're, when you put money in meaning, you send somebody a transfer that, I'm not doing a good job disclaiming that. You need some more B-12 or some caffeine or something.

I have a picture in my head of how this works, but I'm not doing a great job of you know, I, I pay, like, three people tell me I need to start taking B12. That might be a sign, that it might be a sign of. But no, no, that's amazing how that works. You know, I was in the banking system. Holy shit, man, I was just, up until, like, five minutes before showtime was on the phone with my mom, who had an issue with the online bill pay. and one. Here's the few of the things you're going to learn.

Is that the people doing the online bill pay that you set up right inside your bank's web interface, right. It's not your bank. So there's that. It's no. Yeah. It's like it's a third party service that they're hiring this out to. Yeah. I can't remember the name of the company. There's one major company that does this for me. I serve. Was it I can't remember. This was five serve. This was the company. This is. It started out this way. She wanted to pay her Blue Cross bill. Pay your insurance.

It's important, because otherwise then they won't, you know, pay out of claims. And I guess accidentally hit the payee right above. Oh, which was Best Buy and sent the $280 to that. And it was not it didn't say Best Buy, it just said a bunch of numbers. Like maybe because the bank, the bank that we are with now and her bank was bought by the bank that we had originally. So some oddities may have appeared. so there's no question that she messed up and sent it to the wrong place.

She calls our bank talks, goes into the bank, actually, and they're like, okay, yeah, we'll we'll take care of that. And they gave a credit for $280 and then sent the $280 also over to the insurance company. So everything should have been done until today. She owes $500 to the bank. Right. This is it. The now, the, bill pay. People are saying that she owes them 280 bucks and they've shut off all her bill pay, and they will not pay anything else out. And you cannot pay any other bills.

And this thing comes off as such a scam because one it's an email from a company that's not your bank. The email address was something like online bill pay at customer service dot net or something like that. And I'm like well this seems like a fucking scam. and the 800 number when she called it said, you know, okay, what's your, checking account number? Okay. Everybody has access to that number, like Social security number. And she's just, like, hangs up, because she thought it was a scam.

Yeah, which rightfully so. We're getting her, you know, to understand that you never believe anything. Incidentally, you see, they shouldn't have her Social Security number as a vendor of the bank. The bank shouldn't be providing them with your Social Security number through. They should have some other way to I.D.. You should be blessed. You know what? If I get it? Because otherwise you could call up this company, and it's easy to get yours. If you ever paid me via check.

I've got your checking account number. Right. It's a very non-secure kind of system. Completely. So you have to have some kind of checks and balances. Yeah, but this. You don't want your SSN floating around, which is. I mean, really, it's probably the least private of the private things you might have in this world. Yep. It's in the US. Yeah, you have it one number your entire life. So for the modern, zoomer generation, they've probably already had it go public when they were in teenagers.

Yeah, you can guess, because the numbers, the way they do it by it year, you can kind of tell if, you know, you don't have to say yes, you can just go on the dark weapon, buy it. Well, that's true too, but I'd like to. Don't want to pay. I mean, I'll just I'd rather just. You better. You and I know I'd rather social engineer you. Get you to call me and go. Oh, so what's your social? some people will just give it.

So she's going to deal with the bank and see what your mother was, before she married your dad. which you live back in the back of the yards, baby. The beautiful city of Chicago. Sirak. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 60 plus in a long line of, oh. What's your last name again? The, what's your mother's maiden name? can you spell? I'll get to that. Oh, let me pursue at a slower pace. Goddamnit. You got to get all those in there. But I just get. I'm telling route. I keep the story running, that's all.

It's kind of like I never do. I mean, the, come from a that kind of a line of it's to tacos. Yes. So, like, well, how do you spell that? Like, I don't know. Yeah. How do you pronounce it in Irish exactly. It's it's a little. It just comes out just like that. Very musical. that's why it was great. You know, somebody you would the longer your last name, the worst, like I like.

And there were longer ones, but, one of my favorite White Sox players back when I was watching baseball was AJ Pierzynski. Now, that's a Polish name. That's pretty Polish sounding to me. It's like, that's a nice. I would just shorten that up a little bit. Yeah, but this is the DNA in there, the kind of scams that are going on.

And for the email saying what we didn't have the funds to pay Best Buy, it's like, well, wait, but then what's the why do I owe you if you didn't have the funds to pay Best Buy, who was never supposed to be paid in the first place? why is this a problem? Because originally they paid Best Buy. Well, probably they're like, oh, for sure, guaranteed. Well, like, you get your money back because I can't get the money back because I did my best buys. And you can give their money back.

That's like one way to one way thing. Yeah. You paid us accidentally. Oh, well, it's like PayPal. You'd like getting your money back. It's not easy. It is not easy. And it's all. I tell you what, I don't tries to. It is all scam. You're right about that, I was surprised, I have I a few different PayPal accounts, and one of them that I had that was not tied to a bank counter or anything, it was just kind of my I set it up for podcasting account. Oh, well, that's nice.

If there's nothing attached to it, you just get money again and they get nothing. Nothing at all? No. First time I go in that account, I'm looking around. I'm like, how the hell is my Social Security number in here? I never put that in there. They attached you. The hell they figure out who you were. Yep, yep. that's concerning. We must track you off, cross everything you're doing.

I am pretty sure that if you ever log in on more than one account with PayPal, they have a field in there that connects the two accounts, like, oh, it seems like you, you log in from the same computer right there. They come check the cookies. Yeah. Even if. Yeah, it's. But the I don't even I'm not that surprising. I don't really care that they're connecting it. But my problem is more so that they didn't tell me that they did this.

They'd like, oh, we automated, your, account information that was missing for you. Please check it. And verify it just in case somebody paying you must be able to create your tax form. Yeah. No, they just they just put it right in there and I'm like, well, what if I wanted it to be a business account rather than a, personal account? What the hell, guys? You just doing shit on your own accord? What if it's just a different, dream? What if it's a different guy?

What if it's just somebody using the same computer with the same cookies? Exactly. Could be like, that's no good. What if I was at your house and logged in with your computer? They'd be like, Yeah, they probably would. That's that's a good test. Yes, I'm going to try doing that. And everybody's computers. Okay. I can't use your computer like I usually check my PayPal balance. Maybe I'll send you something that maybe they're a Social Security number lines up in your account, and then boom, maybe.

And then boom. There you go. I don't even need to pay anybody in the dark web. This is a perfect way to get some money. perfect way to get some funds. Unfortunately, most random Social Security number accounts actually don't have any. No, no. But, you know, just remember, online bill paid. My mom was like, I thought you used online bill pay. I'm like, I haven't since it became painfully easy. You go into I would rather go in. You know, we have credit cards from three places.

Chase, Citibank and American Express. Oh, you got them all. And so you log into each one of theirs to pay the bill, so you never have to worry about, the funds got routed to a different company thing, right? We have to have one. I'm not a fan of different. I'm not a fan of giving the the vendor my bank account to pull funds from either. I know it is. Yeah. It's like, pick your poison. Yeah. It's a catch 22.

Yeah. You can't go back to sending checks via the mail because about 50% of the mail disappears. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Like you get pay your bills. That way they'll find that check in 20 years when they have a, you know, mailman quits and leaves his apartment and there's bags full of checks. Yeah, exactly. There's, So I had I had a couple of, notification things that I had a package that they tried to deliver, couldn't deliver. So I finally got around to go into the post office.

I, I talked about this on, just a good old voice as well, but, I mean, was that still going on? It's amazing. Yeah. We're approaching 100 episodes, man. Dude named Ben named Ben. Dude named Ben named Ben. Yes. he's my sidekick there, man. Does he know that? No, he thinks he's the main host. That's always the way it is. I though, right? Exactly. But, hey, we got a new theme song, I love you. You probably don't listen to the show at all, but, it's pretty cool. I'm. I'm digging it.

And it was fully generated by. I sound like Waylon. does not sound like Waylon. Oh, that sounds very good. I'll have to listen then. You should. You should. I was quite impressed. I sent the copy to Adam Curry, you know, have him rag on it. I was just going to ask if, I was what? I thought maybe this would be proof that Adam listened to the show, but, like, why would he listen to that show? No, no, he's just like I've said for years that, Adam does not listen to any other part.

That's the he he will he will listen to clips. Yeah, well, I know that he listen to your theme song because now I understand when he said on I believe it was the last show, maybe two shows ago, you know, I got like podcasters like, doing this stuff, like, oh, I got music and I created it's great. And he's like it all sucks. And I'm like, well, hell, I wonder who now I know. Yeah, now you know. It was a good all boy show. Exactly. exactly. yeah. It's, it's a, I thought it was a pretty good job.

It's not perfect, obviously. No, but you're looking for podcast safe music that you can use just as your bumpers. Yeah, it's very hard to do. I was exactly because I've been paying, like, every fucking month for that old music. So I just, you know, I'm. I'm legal like that. I actually pay for music, but. Well, if you're using my way, well, most people don't.

And I don't know, I it's been a long time since I've heard any stories of any major artists going after podcasts for using, you know, 10s to, to introduce the episode. But that's why I was blessed to have. But here's the, here's the cool thing. So I just sent it to you in signal. And because it is copyright free and you can literally play it on this podcast, except I don't have it pumped into it, then. Oh yeah, well, that's fair enough. But but technology is preventing it, not legality.

What? I can download it to the desktop devil. Now on the flip side, if I download the latest track of, your favorite artist, I cannot play that. My bad. Frank Sinatra. yeah. Because, you know, the fucking mob would sue me. Well that's true. Well, they would probably, you know, they would just break your legs. That would be more of a style. But since I downloaded it, let's see the cruising down of my road trip, the heavy load. My trusty old side kick. We're on the outlaw road.

You do realize this is way too long to be a podcast? It's just the first part of this. that's the full song. Oh, I got this. How much do you use for the intro? Oh, you get to the right there. That's it. Moonshine in the trunk. Shotgun by our side. Dukes of Hazzard. Oh, wow. That's crazy right? Jumping over rivers, taking chances every day. Rebel hearts and southern fried. That's the hard way. Riding all the outlaw road. Breaking all the rules we know. All right, that's my, It's not bad, right?

For musically passes. No question about it. Musically for his intro. So just that first part where where I said here is how far the intro is in the actual podcast, but, it's a, it took six words and 20s to create that. And it really I get what Adam Curry said with this stuff. It has no soul. But you're not looking for soul? no. Most of my friends don't have a soul. You're looking for something that will, sound okay, give a little bit of time. The. And that cost me any money. That's a big part.

the. And I'm assuming you could do the vocal without quite the amount of auto tuning, which would make it a little bit better. But that doesn't necessarily say to me I, because a lot of people are using that kind of, yeah. Effect. Well, and this is the free version, you can imagine what their commercial version for actual studio sounds like. And this is why music is, is get it's everything is going to be a take off.

And this is something that I noticed listening to the music that is in the, hallmark movies with their low budget because, you know, they're made for TV and you can tell there's a lot of songs that pop up that you're like, oh, well, that's a Taylor Swift clone. And every now and then you could tell another article that was they were trying to suck. That was like an Elvis clone. They were, you know, getting as close as you can to somebody here that used to cost real money. Yeah.

I remember back this would have been almost ten years ago. Not quite. where a company that I was working with, they were putting out a new product, and they needed a new, new music for it. And so we just picked the style and the artists that we want to sell them. And then had a guy, you know, composer, musician. I don't know what they call these guy. I actually have a friend that's a video game dude as well. He was an incredible musician. but wait, I don't know.

He filled that genre of music, but basically they're making music for hire, and they're very good at making it sound like somebody that you've heard of. Right? You want something in a particular. Yeah. Lame. They can do it without ruining the copyright, without infringing the copyright. And it costs, $20,000 for one song. And now you have an I. That'll do it with six words for five seconds. Yes, exactly. Now, the stuff that guy was doing sounded a little better,

a little, you know, more put together. But still was a fairly quick thing. It's like it's never gonna you're never gonna pay 20 grand and get a pop song out of it. No, you know, it's not gonna catch. So, this is like, 97% of the way. There was $20,000 less money. Well, yeah, that was very intrigued with the software. I do not remember the name. You sent me the demo video that a couple of guys did with the I one.

There were two ways to get the vocal into a song, and one was just to play the melody on a Midi keyboard, and then go in and type, just type the words. It. Yeah. And the quality that they were getting at that was fantastic. And it was like, oh, if you want to do a pitch band or you want to do a raise up and you want to bring more, and yeah, that was a while ago, I remember that. Yeah. You know, you just do this kind of like scribbling with the pad in the interface. Yeah, yeah.

And the more impressive thing though, was a dude singing the song. I think it was the song from the Titanic. the heart must go on Celine Dion. Yeah. Belted that out so well, it's got a pair of lungs. He sang the song fairly horribly. Yeah. And with the I think actually worse than he can sing probably. It was a great demonstration too. That gives the I to get it on pitch and then turn it into a female voice. And it was 90 like you said this is nice and, and do the little vibrato and everything.

Right. Yeah. And add that in I mean you don't even have to have that ability. It's like it just, it just magically did this, which means sadly, the technology is now there now to recreate tracks from anybody long dead, which at one hand I'm like from a technology aspect, I'm like, well, this is really cool.

from another aspect, it's like, well, this is horrifying that well, there's a YouTube channel that, I post that I haven't sent to, but I posted maybe three months ago, that comes out with a new piece of music probably about every two weeks or so. And it's stuff like, the Beatles singing and then, you know, some rap song. And so it's, it's essentially doing that. It's taking a past artist who no longer exists, and then having them perform something that is totally modern and a different genre.

And they had, like Johnny Cash doing, Snoop Dogg songs. Yeah. There were no I think Johnny Cash did not Snoop Dogg. He did, the was that song the the the the yeah, the song, it's like the song Thug Requiem or whatever. What the hell is it called? It's the Gangsta's Paradise. Okay, great. Coolio. Same difference. Coolio. Exactly. So he had Johnny Cash do. And that's on a really good. The tricky part for some artists is getting the phrasing.

I've heard AI recreations of Sinatra, who had no clue of how Sinatra sang. It was not like just like Willie Nelson. Willie Nelson is not your classical singer. He almost talked his his way through it and has different ways of phrasing than most people, and that the AI hasn't been able to pick up on. But it will. That'll just be it will.

It's it's just a matter of time, and all they have to do is just plug in everything that has ever sung into the AI, and then it will put together the patterns to be able to replicate it. Because right now, honestly, their AI is overly polluted, meaning they're using data sets that include anything they can pull off, usually for free. and they throw into it. And so it's almost like like the AI is heard too much music to be able to perform something accurately by one artist.

Well. And what it kind of wants to do is take the song you're giving it and have the new voice sing it exactly the way the other voice did. And that's where the breakdown of these people that are just straight out singers. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah. But if you I think and I think you're absolutely right, what they're going to have to do is actually deconstruct it.

And instead of trying to have Johnny Cash's voice sing it exactly like Coolio, they're going to need to get the lyrics separately to do the text to speech with Johnny Cash. And then the melody, and then, you know, whatever background sounds, and then combine it all versus just doing a voice replacement. Exactly. But they're going to guess they're it's gonna like probably a week from now. It's it's a very fast moving train. My friend. And again, once this technology is out of the barn.

Yeah. There's nothing you can do. That really although there was a case I saw today of a, some public school teacher getting arrested for doing a deep fake of the school principal saying racist stuff. Oh, well, that was the I don't know if it's the same one, but there was recently a principal that this all came out and he swore it wasn't real. So this may be a continuation of that case? Yeah, probably. I hadn't seen the first piece of that. So what happened?

Well, this that was just that the principal was like, no, it wasn't me. Never said it. Well, this would then be further proof that this the aren't just going to happen to Joe Biden, that Donald Trump, you know, the deep fakes are open for everybody, especially podcasters whose voices are evil. I mean, I got your voice back like a year ago. I said, some clips sound just like, you know, it didn't it didn't sound right. It would not fool you anybody.

And I think a lot of it was because of the way of talking, the cadence, the pacing. But it's getting there. I mean, a year later it may be a lot better. And I'm curious and I really should just bite the bone. Here's my kids. I'm recording this by myself. Of course you are, though. Here's the thing. I should go in with I don't know if 11 labs is still the best in this in this area, but I'd be curious if I did whatever, because there's differing ways for, that way ways.

But there are different levels of training subject. You can put it in 30s and it'll go pretty good, but if you feed it five hours of speech, you would assume it's going to learn other things and get closer. And if it could do the singing as well as it can, I don't know why, although I guess the here's the question for you, which is easier to reproduce and fool people, is it singing because you have all of the other distractions?

You have the music to hide certain foibles or certain things that aren't exactly right? Or is it speech straight out because you have no other, you know, nothing else going on at the time, and you think it's easier to fool somebody with a singing voice or with a speaking voice? I'm probably singing, I would think, because there is more stuff competing there, you know, and you're more used to hear, although you're used to hearing people speak as well.

There are more things that you might notice in the style of singing. I mean, like you can have a fake singing voice, but then the instruments sound really good and that'll sell it through. And that's part of it. It's like the if the music sounds organic. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's it's a tough one. I, I will say that the likelihood of younger and younger people having less and less trust in anything that's recorded is probably not a bad thing. You can't believe anything. No you can't.

And, you know, I feel like our generation started realizing that. And, because our parents yourself believe everything. And, I think that the, the current teenagers generation, with all the deep fake stuff and they're not calling it deepfake, they just call them filters. Right? Because everybody's doing filters like, well, I'm writing a filter of, Frank Sinatra, you know, it depends on what's being done.

I think once you're taking two images and swapping the face from one to the other, that's more than a filter. But there are literally what filters do. But there are standalone programs that do that now, and that'll I'm assuming there are, but there are programs that will do it in real time. Like you don't need to edit a video. You can just literally turn on your webcam, right? Be a different person. Oh yeah. Or a cat. You could be a cat too.

You can do that with, Group unleashed, which is an interesting project that does the face swapping. You can do it on your own machine at home. Yeah, yeah. And I have never tried the turn your webcam on. And does that might just be a little bit too weird. Although it would be fun. I guess I could start doing a podcast, like YouTube as you and just be good. Yeah, I am, I am taking that I am, I am going after Vladimir. I will take down this regime.

Wait, what do you mean you or you mean like, which you're you're referring to because the way you just sounded does not sound like me. It sounds a lot more like our buddy Ksbw. It may be he just came in with the 3333 boost and says, Go Poland. And now he is the number one executive producer on this show. Well, not only that, but we're talking about I his favorite topic. Oh yeah, he's probably got I mean he wouldn't have sent in the boost.

I would have like posted about it after we were done with the show. Hey CSB, I think you you're worth some money here buddy. That and then Jean talk about the I they dumb zone. I really I'm not going to argue it's a deep fake at this point. Exactly. exactly. Not anybody actually here CSB they'd be like that's not him. That's just somebody. Oh no. They'd be like, yep, that's immigrants. We we've heard it all before. with the US and Asians are so good, aren't they?

But you can't believe everything you say. You can't believe anything you hear. What's a it's a big, big week here in our in our sports podcast, we have the, the NFL draft trampling who? I know the bears got a guy. Did they? Yeah. Nobody. Nobody. Nobody. I heard the bears got the number one guy. Yeah. And nobody got a woman, though, for some reason or any trans players for, How dare they? That's horrible. We really. How dare they?

I think the NFL is probably the most trans exclusive organization out there. they have to switch. They have to do something. And it's just, I think that there should be a mandatory trans player at every team. Well, at least what do you mean, just one? I mean, I would go with half the team. To be fair. That would seem to be fair. That would be more fair. But I'm saying bare minimal. My once favorite team, the Chicago White Sox. Man, I am so glad I jumped off the bandwagon.

Gene, I didn't realize you had, oh, about five years ago. Oh well, I don't keep up with news. I guess the White Sox so far this year, a staggering record three and 22 so far. Wow, is that even possible given the number of games played? I don't think so. I mean, do they just not bother showing up? Is that the deal? When that puts them at a 12% win rate, they win 12% of their games. And no, this is looking to put them piling up statistically impossible. It's what for? For baseball.

It is because if you have one decent pitcher, usually you can, hold the other teams down and it's all you need to do is score a run. Yeah. At some point, it's not even a matter of being better. It's a matter of just being there at all. When the other team has a bad day, right? Right. When they have a pitcher that just is horrible that a, you know, double team would tee off on and score ten runs. This is getting mathematically hilarious.

It is. Yeah. Three and 22. Let's see the next worst team in baseball. There is one team the Miami Marlins with six wins. They are six and 20, which means they've won 23.1% of their games. The White Sox 12%. That's a double win ratio for the next team. Wow. It is sad. It is very sad for a team in the city of Chicago that you can't, well, I it's clear that the city does not love it seem this is true. They've been saying that for years. They just never wanted to move that team out.

This to me, it really it does appear to be going right down the playbook of the Oakland A's, which made the team so bad. Exactly. You got to move it, right. I think there's probably more money somewhere else. Would they go back to Minnesota? Do you think the White Sox were never in Minnesota? They were totally Minnesota. I read that on Wikipedia. They played in Minnesota against Minnesota.

But I say there's a possibility that because now they're pushing for they want a ballpark in the South Loop area here in Chicago. And I don't see that happening because you know who's going to back city wise or state wise. A team that is three and 22 is kind of like, why don't you leave it? Maybe we'll get some other shitty team to come in. But that's less shitty than you. okay.

So if you want to go to the History White Sox Wikipedia page in a literally the first paragraph, it says that the team was playing in Saint Paul, Minnesota in, what, 1842, 1893? Yeah. Damn. They should go back to Minnesota. That right. That's why I said it. I wasn't just being hey, I know my sports fan. This is up the well, it's a sports show. It is a sports show. We're officially a sports sports show. This point unrelenting sports ball. coming to you live from America live.

It depends where you are. and when you're listening, you like. I got the assure microphone hooked in again. Can you tell? Oh, you do know? I could not tell. Honestly, I, so we got the we got the base finally pumped up enough on the. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it sounds closer to the reason, now that you mention that I can hear the difference is less. The sure is less boomy. Is that good or bad? I prefer it to be more boomy. However, I, I understand why a lot of people like the sure for voice.

Because, for clarity sake and for sake of broadcasting and Am radio, you you need to have a lot of compression, right? And I think the sure microphone works better with compression out of the box than the, the E3 20 or the three 300 out of the box. You got a pump that. Why did you do the cottage? Yeah. or you if you're doing like a, a low band pass, I guess you could remove some of that from the other. Makes. It's one of those things. It's, there are still more plosives.

And this is something that's kind of the pet peeve of mine. People that use the sure microphone and don't understand that, if you talk directly into it, please bring pizza pronto. You're gonna pop. Yeah, yeah. Hey, did you ever hear back from banjo, or did you ever reach out to banjo and ask him about the, wireless mikes? No, I thought you were. Oh, I didn't know we should. I don't have his email. You have his email? He's on the metaverse. Oh, wait, but you're not. He's. I know on the reverse.

I have no means of contacting a person with a YouTube channel. No means at all. You're like, you're on the fence. What is this all about? Yeah, I thought that was just that, like fad that was around last decade or something. He has been, messing around on his channel with the 11 layer microphones. Yeah, I'm talking about just how hard it is to get those to sound great when they. And again, this is comparing to directional microphones.

You're never going to get a sound out of a little microphone attached to your chest. Or his battery says between his boobs. That is going to sound as good. He may be attaching it to the. Oh, that's possible, but it's never going to sound as good as a sure SM seven be a PR for the electric voice RC three for everybody else.

It is never going to sound as good though any of the directional broadcast type microphones that are pointing directly at your mouth are always going to give you a better sound than the lavalier, but that's such a it's a it's not an objective measurement. That's a very subjective thing to say. Better.

Well, clearer. Better. Something I'm not saying with the proper placement, richer, richer would be the word I would use, possibly because you're gathering more of the audio from, you know, the person's mouth hole now with a decent or good lav microphone positioned correctly. Yeah. Well good. So he Q will do a decent job. Yeah. But you have to understand, the EQ is a different thing.

Just like with the short microphone or the RC 20 with the little bitty or no, little foam ball on it, it's a different EQ than if you put the big honkin foam ball on it, because that one kills way more of the high end. So you have to know the EQ is not always going to be this is this podcast called Band Bruce's podcast or it is. That's the one he does. That is his podcast where podcast there is the review channel podcast edge on there, if he has a link to himself podcasting age.

And so it's podcast age really, if not podcast. Yeah. Cat stage. You got everything. Mike reviews. I'm doing a live look up of bangers email. If you have never watched Bay Andrew, we highly recommend you go to YouTube right after. Yeah, we we kind of refer to him as a friend of the podcast who's never actually talks to us. Right. he talks to me on his show every now and then, and it freaks me. Yeah. How does he talk to you on the show? By, like, mentioning my name and saying stuff.

and there's nothing weirder than when you're like, oh, yeah, he's testing wireless Mike's cool. Good. Like, which one's good? Which one's bad? He just wants to be able to walk around his house while doing a podcast. Well, the game. What are you doing? I'm just dusty. I honestly, my my the reason I'm asking, the reason I started this whole conversation is, I've been watching quite a few videos that have people using the the road lavalier, the little wireless ones.

I just snapped down to their t shirts outside, with the Death Cab, but still outside. And the audio sound is freaking awesome. Yeah, as long as. And I'm like, Wendy, how much of this is been cleaned up? Audio and how much of it is just how good quality the mic produces, I want to know. I think it's right. It may be I'm getting closer to just dropping the money and getting one of these, even if I'm sitting, you know, in front of a computer with a mic on my t shirt right now.

I mean, I my, not my t shirt, obviously. My, your hairy chest. No. Yeah. Snap it to the hairy chest. no, I was going to say to the Adidas tracksuit. Oh of course, but, yeah, first. But either way, having something that doesn't require me to be one inch away from Mike for a two hour period of time, I'd be up for that. Well, and it's being in the more treated your room is, obviously, you can get further away.

we talked about this in the past, the great Rush Limbaugh, when you see videos of him doing his radio show, he is three feet away from the microphone. He is not. That is so hard to believe. I know. I don't understand it. I'm sure there are times he was talking closer, but I have seen videos of him that he was not right up on the microphone. I'm like, well, that's weird, but if the studio is treated well, you can get further back and you're not going to have the reverberation.

So all you have to do is compensate for the volume. And that's what the channel strips and compressors do. And you got people like Bo Snerdley who are probably turning the dials as well. And right, you're keeping it where it needs to be. So, yeah, I mean, it would be nice. Some microphones are more apt to do that. And I think the RV 320 is one of them where the sure, some seven B does kind of beg for you to be within a few inches of the microphone. It's not, it's not.

The more hot a microphone is, the more likely you can use that from further away. They and the other thing that's changed recently we have talked about as well, the plug ins that can differentiate between your voice and the room noise and reverb and allow you to reduce the room noise and reverb and get a sound that will rival. As long as you don't have any other major things wrong, it'll rival having one of those whisper booths that people build to go inside and talk to.

They have no room noise whatsoever, and it allows you to get a lot closer to that, which is nice, because I would rather do that as a plug in on the back end than have to worry about treating a room, because that costs money and it takes it's not simply there. It's not like, well, you could just buy this and your problems are fixed. When it comes to room reverb. And when it comes to things like the lav, it's an yeah, it's omni microphone.

And Andrew mentioned using the lav while sitting within a few feet of his screen. Massive amounts of bounce back. So it's actually better suited for being away from everything else. That's interesting. Yeah. It's, it is. There's a difference between simply putting in some dampening material into the room to reduce reverb and actually treating a room to have, a clean sound across all frequencies. Right? A totally dead sound.

Yeah. And I bought at one point, for a friend of mine's, I was technically his office, but it was a room we used to hang out on all the time and drink whiskey, but I bought a a parametric cue that had a microphone to be able to do a room, specific EQ job. Right. So, you know, most people using cues to just make the music they listen to sound better. Turn it up, man. They were more bass. Yeah, exactly.

This particular setup was specifically to zero the room to remove the frequencies that the room propagates more, and to boost the frequencies that are absorbed more in the room. So once you have a totally flatted out with a cue of the room, now you can actually start listening to your music the way that the artist intended to be heard. Yeah. And the funny thing is, there are different spots in the room that are going to sound different, so. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

No, you you literally tune this for a seat in the house. Yes. Two seats at best. My. And it might have been the last two Onkyo receivers that I have purchased that came with the little microphone that's like, put this where you're sitting and that white noise plays out of every speaker. Yeah, yeah. And it just does the magic right inside the. So this is for you. Yeah. It's almost like I it is.

So it does look like Van Drew has an episode fairly recently of wireless go Dre I took 48 and sure movie Mike these are all wireless mikes you reviewed. And he's like they all sound like crap compared to. But it's like this was it. They're not meant to replace the dynamic microphone. And his overall on that one was you're still going to get a better sound if you can, using something like a, small condenser that's 12in away but out of frame.

but again, every one of these microphones has a different case for it being used because you can't always have. Yeah, like a dynamic microphone, you know, want in the shot even for, for doing video like, live streaming and stuff. you don't really want that big honking microphone, especially with a ball, and sitting right in front of your face, covering like a quarter of your face, you're like, I it's a big ball, baby. So then you have to make a choice.

Do you want it to sound as good as the mic and sound because you're an inch away? Or do you want it to be further away and not sound as good? or is there a different type of mic that would do what you want? Now, I've always thought that the ultimate solution was to get like the type of shotgun mics that movie studios use. Yes, but those are they start at a thousand bucks and go to 10,000. And again, if you know what you're doing and you have the right gear.

I did a review on the YouTubes for a Lumix Pro. I think it was just a cheap Chinese knockoff shotgun microphone. Right the way I tested it. Because again, like Andrew, it's like I'm not an audio professional. I just play with this stuff. All right, put the thing right next to the camera and pointed it at me. And then just did the comparison between the audio that the camera itself got in, that the shotgun microphone got. And it was again, one of those things.

It wasn't great, but with the proper processing. And back then I didn't even have the new AI plug ins with the proper processing that sound quite usable. And that's really the question for most people. As long as the audio is intelligible, as long as you can tell what the person's saying and doesn't sound like it was recorded at the bottom of a garbage can, most people are never going to complain. You can get quite good sound out of a cheap handheld $20 dynamic microphone.

That would more than be good enough for doing a podcast or a YouTube video. Yeah, I, I agree, if you hold it half an inch away from your mouth, you don't want to point it the opposite direction. Yeah. Pointed at the corner of the room so you can get the most reverb in the, signal. It's interesting trying to do that.

Yeah. And and frankly, the number of people that nerd out about the sound and which Mike somebody is using is like 0.0001%. I know, and I know one category of this stuff in that category. There's a few of us, and I think it's fantastic. And a lot of it is, you see, the, for me anyway, when I would watch, this was like, this is the biggest problem watching people do radio, watching your favorite podcasters who were doing video.

Yeah. The reason I got the hire was because I was watching Twit, and that's what Leo Laporte was using. he's a pro. Yeah. You think he's certain things? He's great. then Glenn Beck was the one that I saw. Yeah. Using the Shaw 77B and I'm like, oh, well that's interesting. You see everybody, including Frazier, go back and watch Frazier. That's the carry 20 sitting on his desk.

Even though, you know it's although I in in what you're saying of course is none of those people chose the mike that's in front of them. Probably the producer did. I don't mean in the video you're watching it. I mean, originally when you get hired to work at a radio station or pretend to be working at a radio station, you're not the guy going through the catalog going, what do you think? should we get the, early 20s on this, or are we doing the, Yeah. No, that's a producer.

Does that you know, a good producer when you have, who's Glenn Beck has used a bunch of different microphones over the years. Now he's on a, a condenser, which is a very nice little. What's, what's an Austrian company? tell it. No. who wants to look up that? Mike? I'm forgetting the name of the company. That makes. But it's irrelevant. It is if you akg. No, it's, the other one there. oh. I can't lose it. the LeWitt microphones, they're great sounding. I've got it. The LeWitt 400 or 400 series.

They're right that yours isn't white, though. No. Well, at the time, the white was the only thing available. I waited to get the black one. I'm like, I don't want the white one. Although now I see they have the custom windscreens made for the the microphone. So you can no longer tell that he's using it. And I don't know if he still is, but I'm assuming that's the the limits that are still underneath there. but that has a little bit of a different, different sound.

The condenser definitely lets more of the room noise in the you saw if you watched the interview that back did with Adam Currie, the microphones just hanging there. I, I don't think they were plugged in, I did too, I think I was like, God bless you, Pod father, for letting me know that was actually the microphone being used. Yeah. Guys nerding out is like poking, you hear. You're like, oh wait, those. That's actually the microphone. Oh, wow.

it's like it's an interesting way I, you know, it's great for the, video aspect of it to just have a microphone hanging there rather than having the, you know, some, although again, holding it, I would say would be even better is to have a, a shotgun mic that was coming from across, the two, you know, one, they each one of them. Right. So that there were no mics in the scene, they're all sick. But this is people like that for. And I know I'm one of them.

You know, I like that vibe like, oh, it's you know, for whatever reason some people hate it. It's like, that's a distraction. Why is that? Even there? And for audio nerds, I guess you're like, well, what what microphone is that? What are they using now? but for Beck, I've seen him use everything from the LeWitt to the sure to the RC 20. Yeah, he doesn't have to have or he doesn't seem to have the level of commitment to his mates that some of these guys do. No rush. I mean, that was the goal.

Yeah. EIB microphone with that said, if you're a producer and you're working with anybody, you really should bring in the top five choices and be like, let's just see what you sound like with each one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you should definitely test them. But also you don't trust people on hearing their own voice, because the voice you hear in your head is always very different than what actually comes out.

Really, because I hear the exact same voice now, my mind is just perfectly cued with just the right amount of bass. in your head it is. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The in my head it is accurate. Perfectly. Unfortunately, I like coming out of my mouth. The EQ is, all fucked up. Did you send me this video? I thought maybe you didn't. There was a video I watched that was a guy, like, college age interviewing a college age Asian female.

And it was about people that do not hear their voice in their head when they think they don't have an internal monologue. Oh yeah, the NPC's. Yeah. I'm like, is this true? Yeah. That's just I it's so hard to imagine that living in that world, it was like, wait, what do you mean you can't? Yeah. I think it's the same world that, Alzheimer's patients live in. Interesting. It's just like it's it's the world where your your short term memory literally of one second ago doesn't exist.

So there is no inner monologue to have. I could be way oversimplifying this, but trying to explain that from that, watching the video or to someone who has watched video, but it's the idea that, like we assume as people who have an inner monologue, that everyone has an inner monologue and that before you open your your yap and actually say something, you had a thought and that thought sounded like you talking to yourself, right? Right. But that's clearly not the case for an awful lot of people.

I daresay even the majority of the people don't actually have that. See, that's interesting, because I think that would be a huge hurdle. Yeah. You know, or at least put you at a disadvantage to the people that have that ability. Or maybe you're just don't have to deal with, a lot of, self-doubt and stress. Maybe. I kind of think, like most salespeople don't have that. Well, they're always talking.

They never stop to, yeah, have the inner monologue because the outer monologues going on, the outer monologues during and more importantly, they don't seem to be affected by people saying, no, no, that's just a hurdle. That's just another way you have to get to. Yes. Well, what do you mean? Gee, no. What can we do to get you in this today? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, you know, to me it's like, no, well, you're not worthy of buying this anyway. Fuck you.

That's that's a different kind of problem solving that I know I can. I'm a horrible salesperson. I have I have turned people away when they've made me, feel like they're not worth having the stuff I'm selling. It was such a weird interview, though, because he asked her the question, well, what about when you read, do you hear your voice? You know, and she's like, no. He's like, well, what is it like when you read? And she's like, well, I understand the shapes.

And like certain words like, go up into this. You know, they kind of move into this category. And he's like that. There's some kind of visual thing going on which I like. Well, that's just weird, right? I mean, I can't even put my brain around what that would be like. Well, you can, I think you can, if you watch TV and it's not a topic you're particularly interested in, you probably don't have an inner monologue happening at that point.

If it's something interesting, you're probably thinking about it as well as watching it at the same time. So how can I make money on this? Yeah, there you go. But if it's just something passive and you're not all that interested, you're probably just observing without really thinking about it. But talking about when reading that the words just kind of go into like certain buckets in her head, and then she could recall those. It's like, that is just very strange.

It's like I was just I don't think that's actually what's happening. I just think she's lacking the, the vocabulary to describe it. It could be I just don't understand this. I always just assumed everybody was having an audio book in their head. If you sit there and read the text, you hear the text. I just don't know. It's like I'm looking at my screen right now and I'm like, I can't even imagine if I was looking at these words and then didn't hear them.

When you read them, it's just, what are you doing? I'm just looking at words that you're not well. And I'll tell you something else. If you've ever taken a course in speed reading, which I have years ago, you learn to not say the words. That's one of the things they tell you right off the get go. That you need to stop being in that habit is you can't be like hearing yourself say the words because you're going to be reading. We have way too slow a few seconds right?

So you're not getting you're going. No, you know, super fast. You can't do that. You have to just look at them and move on and somehow file the same way. The only capable of picking up the story from doing that. You don't need to mouth all the words in your in your head. You don't need the world to hear it, to enjoy it. Maybe. But, yes. To just understand the the concepts. I mean, I can't imagine, like, speed reading The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and being anywhere near amused by it, but.

Well, I don't know, I don't know. I've never tried doing it with fiction. I've only really spent speed read nonfiction, but which is something because you're looking for facts. for data. Yeah. but it is amazing, really, into how your your eyes can see something for just a couple of seconds. Move on, and then you can still recollect what was said in those words. Oh, it's like the people that have perfect recall.

That's another thing to me, that's always been really freaking bizarre when somebody can go, well, hey, Jean, let's see, March 15th is the 1987. And you're like, well, it was a cloudy day. 64 was the high. I went to school, I had a peanut butter jelly sandwich, and, my buddy Jim gave me a cassette copy of, guns N roses. That's like, what it.

Then when you find out it's accurate, and the, since we are a sports ball show, the great rapid Robert Bob feller, pitcher for, Cleveland back in the day, he had that perfect recall and would tell stories about certain games and say, well, you know, here's what I did to this guy. This, this, this, and this was all verifiable. And he was right. I just can't even imagine being able to pull up any day in my life and tell you what I did. Minute for a minute.

It's got to be it's got to be something that is, notable. Like, I can tell you, the weather. May 25th, 1983. Was it a blizzard? No, it was, a nice sunny day. I was in the, I think it was in the upper 60s. And this is a what happened on that day, returned the jet. I got released, and I'm standing in line to see it outside the movie theater. So you recall that? Which makes sense. I remember that to this day. I remember the weather. I remember the location.

I remember, you know, a lot of things around that. The theater does not. It doesn't exist anymore. I've looked it up on Google Maps. That theater isn't there. an awful lot has changed, but I remember that scene in my head, including the weather, because obviously it made a tremendous impression on me as a kid. I saw the original Star Wars. Unless I'm totally hallucinating this, at a really small theater in French Lick, Indiana.

and I was talking about the movies there this World War 77 with a and, I mean, now there's nothing there is. See, I didn't see it. Then I saw Empire Strikes Back first, then I saw Star Wars, and then I saw, obviously, Return Jedi when it came out. What kind of horrible parents let you see Empire Strikes Back before Star Wars was the best one we talking about? was it was the best movie. That's true. That is true. Empire Strikes Back and Jedi was still pretty good. The original Star Wars has.

It's the Star-Ledger. and you know did an interesting job setting things up. But yeah, you remember these weird little things were I used to love going to French Lick as a kid. There was a little golf course. Yeah. Did you ever see, George Lucas in love? No. Oh, you should. You should watch that. I had a lot of things on my list. It's. I know your list is growing. it was a fairly well produced kind of parody of based around Shakespeare in Love.

which essentially takes place during George Lucas's. I think it's the end of his, like, right after college. And it was right. Right. When he's coming up with the storyline for Star Wars, right? And so you see him as a, a young man dealing with, a woman who doesn't value his love. and then putting elements of that into Star Wars. So kind of it, it uses Star Wars as the backdrop, the original movie Star Wars for, for how Lucas wrote it.

And it's it's funny because obviously, you know, we assume that's not what happened, but, but they do a very nice, you know, seeing the nation of a wise it's a stoner roommate who's dressed like, Obi-Wan Smokable. Yeah. While he's trying to write it here a long time ago. Yeah. So you have all these real world elements that clearly end up coming out as characters in Star Wars, and they're all just real places and people and surroundings around them. Well, that's how good writing is.

You take what you know, you put a new facade on it. You do something like that to make it interesting. and then there you go. I mean, come on, look at Clarke's Kevin Smith's opus. That's, just a couple guys working at a convenience store. Exactly. It's kind of like this podcast. This is the clerks of podcasting. After this. I don't know about that. Now. There's no. You're like, see, Chinese finger traps in this podcast, my friend. You're like, Seinfeld has enough money. He won't sue us.

Kevin Smith might say, yes, that would Smith might say was like, oh, you guys, there's no right. Especially now he lost all that weight. Yeah, but what you have the Holy Mother heart attack or whatever they call it, the black Widow. A lot of heart attacks. It's like, that's it. You don't want your, you don't want them, veins. You don't want them, arteries to be all clogged up. No, no, you really don't. But you know, it happens. Yeah. What's enough? Pizza. Yeah. And Twinkies. It'll get there.

The bears, the bears, everybody. This is a sports show. The bears are looking for the stadium. The bears? Yeah, the. Yeah, that was the fun. That was a fun character. That's another team that I never cared anything about. The bears. The bears? Because it's funny. Because my buddy that, you know, do the carpet work for us that I worked for for years. I grew up with the McCaskey kids. Really good friends with, Virginia McCaskey, who's still kicking.

And he has, he has an inside, the house school in Virginia used to come over and go swimming in his house. Well, I'm like, but I never cared, like, wow. You know, you want to go get seats up in the owner's box, like, for the bears? No, sorry. It's the bears. No. It's football. No, I've never, I went to one playoff game. I don't think I ever experienced a bears non-playoff game.

I went to one playoff game with my cousin once, and I went to the Orange Bowl once when I was down in Florida at my uncle's, though, and I went to, you know, maybe one of the football games when I was in high school, all of the big rivalry between our school and the other, it's like I have never been a football fanatic. I'm. I think how many times I went to a Vikings game, I lived there, I think maybe four and I, I only went if somebody else bought the tickets. One it's a better way to go.

Yeah. Cheaper. One of those times cost me, digital camera. oh. What happened. You drop it. Left it there. Oh, you left it there. Oh, that's even worse. I had, my lawyer give me, 50 yard line tickets that were, like, in the eighth row. 50 yard line. You can't get a whole lot better. And, so I thought, okay, I'm going to bring my this weekend. This is back in. This would have been probably 1998 timeframe. This is back when nobody had digital cameras. You don't have a digital camera.

It was fancy and I brought it so I could take some photos. And this is before they even told you not to take photos and, add photos. Enjoyed myself, had a good time, went to get food, came back and didn't think about the fact that when I went to get food, I left my camera on my seat. I didn't notice that the camera was gone when I came back, and by the time that the game ended, I was like, oh shit, where's my camera? Damn, somebody snatched it. I knew, yeah, I think it was a vendor.

It's my guess. Damn, man. Viki, I don't think somebody would have walked off, grab it, and then went back to their seat. You never know. But yeah, it's hard, I think. I think it was a popcorn vendor. Did you think somebody would be, like. Or a cheese curd guy? We saw they have those they'll end up with. They sell the Vikings games. The first cheese. Of course you have to have a cheese curd guy. Get the cheese curds right here. Cheese curds. You on some cheese curd, sir. Oh there you go.

Oh yes. That along. Pass that along to the man at the eighth person down the row there. Yeah. Hey there. Do you got the dipping sauce. But that's dipping sauce. He figured somebody had to see him you know, how do you know somebody got a camera out of it. You know. So it's out there somewhere. The was the first time I ever had to use insurance and how much was the camera and how much I was give. It was like 1800 bucks. It wasn't that expensive.

So they're like, here's 500 bucks, let's call it a day. I think I had a $500 deductible. So it was I probably get a check for like 1200 bucks or something. Better than nothing. That's true. Yeah, yeah, better than nothing. Lost all the photos that were on there. Luckily, they didn't have much memory, so there's probably only about 20 photos. And that I lost, like, what's out there? Oh, no, it's the dean of live nudes. Yeah. Oh, boy. No, no. Definitely not.

but it's a, I haven't really spent money on going to football game. And who can afford to? Frankly know the prices to go to a football game are insane, man. We're talking like two 300 bucks, dude. Going back 6 or 7 years ago. Well, about seven years ago. So when I still had two eyes. But so we're going back between 7 and 10 years ago, my parents still had full season tickets to the Chicago White Sox. Two great seats up in the club levels.

So there was only five rows up on that whole level, so there was no bad seats. They had N seat service. If you wanted a hot dog, they bring it right to you. I like that, and it got to the point where even with free parking and free tickets, with sure that covered, you know, 120 bucks, whatever the tickets were at that point with the parking. So 120, 150 for two tickets and parking that was covered. Oh, yeah. You want a soda? 595 oh, yeah. You want a hot dog? You know, a 95.

And I'm like, it's not worth it. It's really for being there for 3 to 5 hours for the amount of liquid and food you're going to buy, and you're going to have lunch or whatever. When you're there. It's a lot. But but I've always kind of considered baseball to be mostly just a location to get food right, which is why the food is so good. And I will give them that. They had really good concessions, but yeah, I went there for the concessions in the old school.

Chicago were better than they currently are. You know, it's hard to say because they've gotten fancier. They've got like the Levy restaurant groups. I think I've been covering them for the last decade plus. so compared to back in the day, where you were only limited to when I started going to White Sox games anyway, it was hot dogs, burgers, fries, peanuts, of course. Cracker Jack. you got you got to get the polish, you know. You know, the polish. Having a good sausage up in Milwaukee.

that was good. And the White Sox back in the day had one Mexican, like, little mini restaurant in the. That's funny. In the ballpark where you could go get tacos. That would be like a thing. Well, yeah. Now it's just like the nachos and the crappy cheese that they give you. This was. I mean, there was only one of them in the ballpark. I don't think it was even connected at all to the other concessions.

It might have just been like a local, you know, Mexican restaurant that had the that had the little stand there and it was really good Mexican food. But otherwise you didn't have a lot of choices where now they go out of their way to make the food good, which was the product of the field, is as bad as it is. The food should get better and cheaper. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. I've never, never been to Wrigley Field. It is a urine soaked hellhole right in the heart of Chicago.

I had friends that lived, really close to it in Wrigleyville. So I've stayed there, and I walk around, but I've never actually gone to the stadium. The last time I was there, I believe, was when I was in college. So probably 92, and it was a hellhole then. It's, I mean, I get why people like the old ballparks for the nostalgia, but again, they are not comfortable. Wrigley is not a comfortable. Yeah, yeah. That's true. And I only went to the gate.

I don't even remember what the name of the stadium was. The, I went to the last game the twins played in the outdoor stadium. and then they started playing the Metro while they were. Yeah. I don't even remember premature, though. Yeah. It was. There were the stadium was where the Mall of America ended up being. So it was. That was why it was a big empty territory, because there was a stadium there was a huge parking lot. Make sense? Like, we gotta put something here.

Yeah. So when, when, when they started looking for a place to build the the Mall of America or the mega mall, they, that was the spot in ended up and, so that's why when you if you actually ever drive to the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota, you will see that they have like, Kirby Drive and like, all the roads are baseball themed, right from back in the day. Yeah. The Metrodome didn't open the 82.

I don't think I ever made it to Minneapolis before 82, but I did make it somewhere shortly after it opened. And it was, you know, amazing. Because now you look back at it and you're like, oh, that was a horrible stadium. But at the time it was like, wow this is inside man. Yeah. How does your ears pop. Yeah. Oh yeah. Going through the doors. Yeah. It was like a pressure chamber. Like whoa. It was literally oppression chamber. And then the big signs are a do not open doors. Do not open door.

I know a roof will deflate if you open the doors. How do we get in? Get to go through this little number of times that the snow on the roof cause caverns. I mean, it's just a crazy idea. Hey, let's just let's just build a really big balloon right on top of the stadium. Yeah. Hefty bags. Okay. Take care of anything we need out of the roof. Right. That's. It's insane. I'd like that. That was the concept. That one out. Holy cow. And the new park looks beautiful. Never made it to that one.

I've never been there in person. I've only seen pictures. But, yeah, it looks a lot more modern and stuff. Of course, it, gets a little chilly in, Minnesota. Oh, yeah. So the game? Oh, yeah. Still cold? Yeah. Hey. You betcha. I was just looking at the weather forecast for here. It's still, like a month and a half away from when 80s are supposed to be here with regularity. We're supposed to get 80 this weekend and then drop back again for a long. It's a balmy 78 here right now.

Oh, that's pretty nice. It is chilly here. It's probably, 57 degrees, is it? It's supposed to, I think get up to 85 today. We got it. It still hasn't. You have to get a tan. It'll be nice. Oh, it's way too cold for that. Yeah. And remember when the Mall of America was another great wonder? Is it still. I wonder if it's still filled. if, if it's. I watched the video of roving bands of. I mean, I hate to call them kids, but basically BLM was, having a fight in there the other day.

Nice. Yeah, well, this is what I said, because all balls are going to. I think it's, the mall culture is done because we have the convenience culture now, which is what we do, but also the, when you when you no longer use areas that were primarily used by middle class people, when they kind of disappear for, a lot more shady elements, start to use them. Yeah. Well, that's I think that's the way of the mall. America is fast going that way. I mean, they've had shootings there.

They've had all kinds of stuff at the mall. Nice. Makes it a lot more fun. I remember it was last year, I think, NASCAR must have been around there because I think Kyle Busch and his family, which is big NASCAR driver, was in the mall where the shooting occurred. I'm sure there was probably more than one shooting. yeah. Yeah, it's like, but you feel like you're just not safe anywhere you go. that's why you have to be armed yourself.

That's, Not really gonna help you, though, if if, you know, it all depends on the circumstance, but that place was awesome back in the day, it was I. So I was there when it was being built. And I remember the parking lot. So since it was built on a very level place to begin with, which is where the old stadium used to be, and the parking lots there, they tore it down. They built the, actually, before they built the actual mall, they had built the parking lot, for the mall.

So that whole area was just, paved over. And I used to go there roller blading. So that was a great spot for roller blading because you've got fresh, brand new super flat level. asphalt. And, and it was a very large area. So basically running a ring around where the construction for the actual mall was, you could do a whole ring on this brand new, asphalt on there. You had a whole racetrack right there. And it was basically a racetrack.

Yeah, it would take I try to remember how long it was, but it was probably about maybe ten, 12 minutes at, you know, 12, 14 miles an hour of roller blading to go around it. It was not, it was not a small amount of, parking lot. So that lasted probably nine months or so before the construction really took off. And then you couldn't really rollerblade there anymore. But when they originally put it in, it was the weirdest thing because they did the the parking lot first.

I guess that kind of makes sense. But it had the well. I don't know, man, I don't know, but I do utilize it. That was back in the day when everybody roller bladed. It was the thing. You get your, neon roller blades out and go for, a ride. Know it opened up in 1992. So with the other, with the, the dome opening up in 82, that took a long time to get this thing opened. yeah. Yeah, yeah, they tore down the old stadium pretty quickly, probably within six months to a year.

But there was just empty flat ground for a long time. And then finally they, I guess, sold the property to build them off. It has 5,600,000ft² of gross area in the mall. I wonder if that includes the, the theme park inside, or is that just a store space? It does cause it says the retail space is 2,869,000. Yeah, there you go. I mean, they had a Hooters. That was really all you needed. They had a Hooters.

They put that up on the fourth floor kind of away from everything, because, you know, family. No. Family. exactly. Because you really the main center focal point was Camp Snoopy, and I remember camp, so I think we still have a little, a little stuffed Snoopy from there. Oh, really? Yeah. That's funny. It is. yeah, I think I can't remember. I think originally they were trying to do a deal with Disney, and then when that fell through, it became Camp Snoopy. Right.

Because we have to add something like with Knott's Berry Farm or something, they're like, well, I won't pick up the slack. Well, who needs Disney people? Yeah. Who's who's a character we can get for cheap Snoopy. You doing everybody? Yay! Snoopy little roller coasters that they did. The roller coaster was actually pretty cool. I remember writing that thing go to Ferris wheel. They had all kinds of stuff there. And back then it was new and all, you know, fresh, small.

there was definitely a little bit of a more higher end feel to it. Oh, yeah. compared to the other malls in Minnesota. We have probably fallen at this point, too. so, yeah, that's the lowest common denominator. Yeah, yeah. Shopping is totally changed since 1992. This internet thing is, I take it off. Yeah. What's that all about? The speeds that you can get, your deliveries and, It's insane. Yeah. Is speaking of, I need to do my group order here before we wrap up. Oh, right.

You got to get some food and, get some food in. I'm almost out of iced tea. Gotta get some iced tea going. Well, no, you know, as a little side factoid here that the oldest mall, oldest, I should say, indoor mall in the country was also in Minnesota. Wow. I mean, it's freezing there. I guess they are. That's right. That's literally why. And that was Southdale. And the Southdale Mall was constructed in the mid 60s. Now there have been outdoor malls that are older.

Certainly like one of my favorites is the, the Plaza in Kansas City, which is one of the oldest planned outdoor malls in the United States where it's nothing. And what distinction being a mall is a place that has just stores. So it's just commercial space. There's no industrial and there's no residential. So a mall is an area that is exclusively commercial space. We've got a nice outdoor mall here. Again, I haven't been to it in over a decade.

Oakbrook Mall in Oakbrook, Illinois was originally again a very, very snooty mall. And I don't know if you can have that anymore. I don't think you have the the high end stores that, are going to do this because it's way easier to do business. You remember Mallrats. Speaking of great movie, one of Kevin Smith, Mallrats was shot in in your mall in my mall in Eden Prairie Center, which is the mall that I was riding my bike to before I ever did.

Before I had a driver's license and hang out at the mall. You were one of 11 kids, I was one of the Mallrats. We used to take the bus every now and then, but it was an Orange Julius. well, yeah, I don't remember ever having one. Oh, I have they were great, man. They were very, like, basically fake orange and sugar. Well, what could go wrong? suck. Good. Yeah. The orange Julius. Yeah, they might have had a little bit of real orange in there, but I'm pretty sure just a small part of it was real.

Not anything healthy in the cup at all. I think it was mostly powder, no butter, a little bit of water, maybe a little tiny bit of orange juice. No braces for Lincoln Mall. Oh, yeah. That was one of the malls here. They closed. It's closed. Stafford Square at No. Bray. The malls are closing at a very good clip. They're turning into. It'll be all, migrant encampments soon. Yeah, yeah, they they got a lot of space. What would what else would it be? For sure.

It would be that it was like that a lot more heavily. Protests at, the pouring thing. You know, my wife asked that exact question when we were watching O'Reilly last night, and they were showing Columbia. she's like, you know, they're doing this small to they have to be because it's a woke liberal institution. So with a bunch of punk ass kids who don't know what they're freaking talking about. Exactly.

And that's why it's great when you stop people and the clips been going around everywhere of the girl, that's like, well, why are you here at New York? yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was. And it was a stupid US location, too. It's like the Institute of Fashion Technology. Why are you here, though? Yeah, he said to come over here. Well, what are you protesting? Oh, do you know what are we supposed to be protesting? Like? Really? You don't even know what you're protesting. Yeah, and it's really important.

Well, this is where it'll come out if it hasn't already. That money to do all this organization came from Soros groups, and it all comes from Iran. Yeah. They're giving out free tents. They're they're giving away free food and drinks to people that come out. And that's these are all professionally, this is a bit that that's frustrating to me because my other co-host, I mean, my sidekick Ben. Ben. Their name? yeah. Dude named Ben named Ben. The sidekick.

he I keep saying sidekick because I know he's going to really get pissed at me saying, does he listen to the show? Oh, he does? Yeah. Well, thank you to Ben. Ben, donate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unlike you. Well, he actually died way long time ago, like a year and a half ago.

I think he said that donation, but, but he and I are on opposite sides of this current situation, and we, in fact, recorded a special episode, and I put it out yesterday, so it was not during our normal weekly episode run, there was an in-between episode on just this topic, because he thinks that, like, protesting is the most important right that people have in the country.

And I think these are just BLM run by Soros, a bunch of, spoiled, useful idiots that don't understand what they're doing or saying, but in the process are actually affecting Jewish students who are trying to go to class and get their JDS. Yeah, I agree with that. It's just it's like, look, not understanding why you're protesting is not an excuse not to get arrested. No. Well, they're not being arrested because the Liberal district attorneys aren't going to prosecute that.

Now if you and they if you even if you do get arrested, you're not going to get prosecuted. That's exactly right. So getting arrested is literally the entirety of the worst thing that happens to you. You're not actually going to get prosecuted. Well, unless you're arrested for protesting the wrong thing.

Well, of course, but I mean, like Governor Abbott, sent in the, state, state police to basically break up and arrest a bunch of people that were interfering with free movement and the ability of students of a religion. They don't like going to their classes. It's like, no, we're not going to allow this shit in a state college. And so I think that's about time. I think they should have done that during BLM just as much. There's no, difference in one approach to the other.

They should have been arresting people to bail them. They should have been arresting people now. And thankfully, they've started to finally, in my opinion. So yeah, not, you know, not that much different than immigration. There is the legal way to do it and there is the illegal way to do it. And when you protest, if it's a large enough group, you can't just go disrupt. You know, these assholes that are sitting in traffic. It's like I say, run them over.

Yeah, exactly. And that's there's the thing. The word protest almost means nothing anymore, because it doesn't actually mean protest in the sense of what Gandhi was doing or what Martin Luther King was doing. Protest now means, stealing shit, breaking windows, keeping people from driving. Keep people from going into buildings. It's it's a much more aggressive, hostile type of behavior. But it's still car. They mostly peaceful protest. Right. That was, O'Reilly's solution to this.

He's like, you know what? If I was the, in charge in any of these schools and the students wanted to protest, it's like, here's your little area. You can protest between 9 a.m. and 9 p.m. if you leave the area, you are now suspended. You are not coming back to school. If you do it after those hours and gone. And here's the thing. Then really hates that. And apparently he was while he was at college, he was protesting the fact that they had these little protest areas.

So he was very personally involved with this shit. He was protesting the protest areas. Well, no, he's protesting the fact that the college requires you to be protesting during a designated area instead of protesting anywhere you want. Well, he shouldn't be in a polite society that well, I you know, I told him, dude, you're just a hippie, dude. I'm sorry, I, I know it's a big insult, but I got to call you out. You're hippie. No, see, the hippies would actually follow the rules. It's beyond that.

The hippies. It's like a man. Yeah, a hippie. Yeah, I think you're right. A hippie would follow the rules. But, like, feeling sad and sorry for everybody is a is the hippie hippie behavior that I'm pointing out here? This is I know you don't really watched him cast and then the poor man, but his sidekick on that show, Ian, is the token hippie. Like, it doesn't matter what the take is, leave it to that guy to come up with a way to say, well, but it wasn't really their fault.

Really. Okay. It's like, Jesus Christ, man, if it's their fault. Yeah. And he's not a liberal, but he's just a hippie. He's just like, oh, well, let's give them another chance. You know? Let's do they should be alone, can't we? All right. Everybody is allowed to do whatever they want if it feels good. Yeah. Ryan Rose in the troll room says, I really loved when they mostly peacefully burned down Minneapolis. I'm like, that was a beautiful time. Yeah, totally. That's.

I mostly love the the lightning strike on the mural. That was what I mostly love. It is a, You don't want to. Really? Why do you have to be such a hater? I don't understand, Hey, I'm not the one sending lightning down to strike the mural. It's, I'm a drug addict. Yeah. Who, broke the law. Who? I mean, again, if you look at the reality of a lot of this stuff, I am not surprised as much of a douchebag as he is Harvey Weinstein. That thing getting overturned.

I think shows that the justice system has to work within a certain construct that. Well, it also shows that the justice system was working very much for the, the believe all women movement for a long time because a lot of guy like he, I'm sure is a completely disgusting pig of an animal human being.

However, I also don't believe most of the women that came out and said shit, because here's here's my take on it is if if you want something and somebody says, oh, well, if you want that, you're going to have to take your clothes off, you have a choice at that point in time, you can slap them and leave right and not get what you want and how many times you've been slaw. You can take your clothes off and get what you want.

Now, when you take off your clothes and you get what you want, you're getting what you want. At that point in time and coming back ten years or 20 years later and saying, oh, he was so horrible, he forced me to do this is utter bullshit. Nobody had you chained up in a dungeon unless that's what you took your clothes off. Let's see what you asked for. But but the point is that they weren't asking you to take your clothes off while you were chained up in the dungeon.

So there is a lot of regret that somehow we've allowed. And I know why we allowed. Because we let live in the world. But we were allowed to influence decision making in the legal system. Just because you regret doing something stupid when you were young doesn't mean that it's somebody else's fault. I am such a professional podcaster. I was drinking some liquid death. Would you say that we let women vote? And I wanted to laugh, you know, to say I put that in there. Okay. Why did I laugh so hard?

But then I would have a lot to clean up in the if the Keebler microphone would be going great, but I gotta get a different microphone. I'll be right back. but right on the floor. It would only take a minute to spit, take the swap them out. But I don't even believe what percentage.

Here's the other question that what percentage of these events were with Harvey Weinstein or anybody else do you think were predicated by the female going like, you know, if you give me this role, I'll do this offering it. And it's like you're everybody's assuming that Weinstein was putting this out there instead.

It could have just been I mean, again, guys are guys, if you got power, you're in the ability and you you're able to provide something and some hot chicks like, you know, we could, we could do this. You're like, all right, great idea. Women also like powerful men. And they they will do things for powerful men. They would never do for weak men. This is true. It's genetics. It's just the way the brains are wired.

So consequently, if you're the head of a studio, you're going to get a lot more willing participants. Then if you're some schmo cleaning up after the actors, right, you're getting offers at that point, you're putting way too much on the guy to do the right thing. Put that in there. Quote. It really is not fair. If this whole like I was forced to do it.

Yeah. Well, and I look I understand how this probably came out where both people look like they're right, is that the women were trying to get something from Harvey, like to be in a movie, and we're using flirtatious behavior to do it. And it's like, yeah, no, you're so funny. I love hanging out with you. We should hang out more. Harvey and I should get your movie because everybody knows.

And then when they're hanging out, they're like, oh, but, you know, yeah, I maybe I'll just, change clothes into something more comfortable. That's as far as goes. It's like, okay, so what do you think's going to happen in this scenario where you're, you're basically getting to the point of intercourse and penetration and saying, oh, well, that was fun. Let's just let's just spoon for a while. You've heard that more than once, Fuck you. This is just a high stakes, high level job interview.

And everybody that is listening to the show, I'm guessing, has gone through a job interview at one time or another where you had to take your clothes off totally, right. Though you don't walk in and be like, what? You don't walk in the door and be like, hey, fuck you, asshole. What's up? You know, you you're as nice as you possibly can be for the person who is going to be deciding your fate. And that's just worth a very little bit of authority for a regular job. For most people, not.

Yeah, here's a $50 million. Okay, that's probably a little high, but a, you know, multi-million dollar contract to do a movie. Right. People would do a lot of things. Oh, dude, you remember that show that Joe Rogan used to host where people would eat disgusting shit for not a whole lot of money. Fear factor. Right? Yeah. Fear factor. Yeah. He was way better on the man show. yeah. I mean, I think he's better now than any of those, but.

Yeah. And I, I up today doubling up another 3333 from comic strip blogger. Wow. Swap meet for Chrome live a body fantasy. Whatever. But at the end of it all, it's the code you live by that defines who you are. Oh, that is so deep. TSB that is right out of cyberpunk 77 and I'm not even sure if that was CSB. That doesn't sound like CSB at all. Well, I got it. Well, you I understood what that said. Know I get the go poll in part.

I thought he wasn't sending anything anymore because you he's not you know you were rushing things so somebody must be just posting as CSB I was rushing. Yeah I think that's what he said that you never can tell. you never can tell, but that everybody knows there's a quid pro. Now imagine if that was actually $33 and that $0.33. Yeah, that would be I mean, 33, 33 is at least a couple of bucks, which is, which is better than anything else on this. Come in.

Hey, it's better than, poking the eye with a stick. Yeah, I would would suggest that to, Do anyone know, but CSB had. I mean, he always listens no matter what. He can't help it. The shows that he dislikes the most, he can't. He does not dislike this show. He likes this show. So 6666 would be $4.25. You and I could get a, a can of liquid death at the end of the show and feel good about. I don't know if that even buys a cheeseburger at McDonald's anymore. No. No way. Absolutely no way.

I know I don't really eat at McDonald's, but I, like I do get a Wendy's burger every now and then. Those are up to nine bucks now. Yeah, they're the size of a quarter. Yeah. Like what the hell happened? But I don't mind that so much. I really as a as somebody that would be better off losing some weight. I don't mind the shrinkage of the portions in the United States. I don't know if they kept the same price because got smaller. That'd be okay. Correct. Now, I don't mind.

There are places that you go that will feed you so much food that there's no way you can eat it, and that is insane. But going the other route, like the burger that I had from Wendy's the last time we picked one up. I would need four of them to equal what I believe a Wendy's burger was five years ago. Hey man. Where's the beef. Where's the beef. Where's everything in it. Still don't look like what they have on TV. This was the saddest look a little burger.

Yeah I think they did chicken much better. If you get a Wendy's chicken, that actually, unlike the other fast food places, when you get a chicken there, it's actually a chicken breast and not written modulated rice, modified food starch, chicken, chicken pieces. It looks like chicken goo that was pressed into a shape. Yes. Well, chicken goo is always that's what you get from Burger King and McDonald's. It drives into something just. Yeah, good.

I just had Popeyes the other day and it was a amazing first time experience of having somebody that understood what I was saying in the drive through, and I could hear them back. It was like, Holy shit, technology. Like, really? They finally got a drive. Popeyes is always notorious for having like the worst drive through speaker system. yeah. but my god, don't ever rear drive to Burger. Oh. All right, well, the drive through, that's exactly what it sounds like. Usually. Like, what are you doing?

They used the best microphones. They invested in a new, you know. Yeah, they got a new one. And I was like, Holy shit. I even told the guy I'm like, well, how a they say it's like, oh, thank you. No one ever says that. Thank you sir. I though I'm always nice to people working in restaurants and fast food. Because it is a crappy job with very little. Everybody complains. But what's the last time somebody was like, wow, man, you guys were quick. Thank you. of course you do that.

And then you drive halfway home and realize your orders wrong. And then, well, that's why you always check your order. I checked my order, man. I wanted to make sure that they gave me all the, I just got a bunch of, wings, basically. That was all I got there. I've not been in Popeyes for a long time, cause I think they're another one. They with the chicken. Then they, for whatever reason, won't make it without the MSG. KFC don't like way. That's right.

Yeah yeah yeah I like I actually bought some I know you use it. I had shwarma that had a migraine. I'm like are they fucking using that? Because really I've had it before and it was fine. But you wonder if they're getting to the point where they're trying to save a little money. And you add the msg to try to offset, you know, that maybe you're not using the best of everything in this place. You know that that is a false, false thing, that I have a perception.

It's the way it's, you know, MSG does not mean that the food is bad. MSG is just Asian salt, right? It's what they use in general and it's a better salt enhancer. Exactly. It enhances the flavor. So they actually got salt figured out better than we did. And you know, saying that it's only used in crappy food, I think it's it's only used. And I know that's the impression people have for the most part.

I'm not saying you necessarily have that impression, but it's one that you're kind of fortifying right now. Well, I can see where if you were, a business that's been going along fine, everything's good, and you're seeing that you're not making your profit margins and you've never used that MSG before. You might think, well, I can cut back a little bit on the quality of the meat or the quality of the vegetables. And I can add this because it is a no. One thing. Yes, sir.

No business. Absolutely. Dude. No, they you know, they don't. They do bad. Let's get some restaurant tours that are honest. Yeah. Let's get some restaurant tours that that'll say. Yeah. You know, we were thinking how do we make our food worse and then just add something to it so people don't notice? Exact. Well, this is exactly the business you have today. How can we get people to continue buying the food yet save money. And this would be a way to do it.

I mean, there's different types of fillers. Obviously all that's been used up, you know, like you said, this is why we have kind of, coagulated, chicken part pizza that I read. Somebody did a video I watched where they took a I think it was a burger chain shake or an ice cream or something. And then they just set it on a table and then left it there. And eight hours later, it was still solid. That's scary. I was like, well, clearly it's there's no ice cream here.

It's, what is that material that stays that. Yes. They cool it off when they serve it to you and they think it's ice cream, but when you warm it up, it doesn't melt, right? That's like the stuff. That's it. Margarine. It's like styrofoam, right? It's like the stuff in margarine. You put margarine in your trunk. You forget it's my daughter. You're still margarine. Yeah. This tastes exactly the same. Yeah, yeah. Cause you know the whole back story with margarine, right

there was accidentally discovered or something. Was. Yeah, it was an industrial waste product. Yeah. That that says MSG is not that bad for you. It's like in general I'm with you, but for me, it gives me a migraine. So it is bad. Yeah. He's allergic to it. That's the problem. It's not that it's bad for you. It's just a certain number of, you know, people that hate Asians are allergic to it. Yeah, there are certain people that can't eat peanuts. And I love peanuts, so I get it.

I just say for myself personally, I have to avoid the msg. My wife eats it. Oh, this is great shit. Like fuck you. Oh, she likes it. Yeah, well, she doesn't mind. I mean, she'll have the Chinese food that has the MSG in it. That's, you know, if you want to take a test just for advice for anybody that to see if you have an allergy to MSG, get a can of Pringles potato chips. The it has one of the one of the any flavor doesn't matter.

They have one of the highest, concentrations of MSG of any product. Yeah. And you will immediately know whether the it's like if you think, oh, these tastes pretty good. Keep in mind you're basically eating paper and you think it tastes good because of the MSG, right? And, if you eat a chip and you don't feel good, then you know that you have an MSD allergy. Oh, I know I do. In the regular. You do.

I'm just giving advice to other the other because the regular probably non flavored Pringles I don't think uses MSG. But all of this I think all of them do. I've tried all of them then they all and the flavor the regular ones don't. But the flavored ones I think you're wrong. I think they all do. But the way I know that they have MSG because I'm not allergic to it is they make it taste different. Oh, interesting. Yeah, because the MSG from the chips actually affects the taste buds.

And even if you drink something while you're eating those, it taste and it doesn't taste better. That's the thing is you think, well MSG makes everything taste better. No, it doesn't. It only makes certain starchy things taste better, like rice or potatoes. And when you're getting it on a chip, it is literally coating the outside. So it's going right onto your tongue. Exactly. But your inside of your mouth is fully coated with that msg. When you eat those things.

And according to the Pringles website, they do not use MSG in their normal. Not really. Okay, well there you go. So I'm wrong on that. but I, I guess I get flavored most the time, but they've got to have some kind of flavor that isn't all that flavored them, because I have kind of just that tastes like. Well, that's probably true, too. Just like potato chips. Potato chip flavored. Right. It's a different it's a little, they have their flavor favorites. Wow.

Okay. So the original would be the ones that are free. Is that the green? Can the red the green one is sour cream and onion. Oh that's the one I always get as a green can. Yeah. That's loaded with MSG okay. As are their barbecue Chris cheddar cheese. Yeah I've had those. The sea salt vinegar might not the pizza Chris definitely I remember looking through these ones. And that said sodium nitrate and there's no MSG.

No I don't know who makes them for Aldi, but Aldi has you know it's the same canned. It's their brand of those style chips come without at MSG which I'm guessing they're made by Pringles. They're just done that without the or the factories at least. Yeah, yeah. Without that added into it. I just don't trust anything at all. The there is also in the sea salt and vinegar that one does not have the mystery of it. Yeah. Yeah. Why would you put monosodium glutamate when you already have salt.

Right. Same nitrate in there now. It definitely is. Add the sour cream in on you that has the mystery in it. Oh it's got all the good all the goodness. It's got all the right. Okay. So it's dried potatoes vegetable oil. Yeah. And let's see. Well the vegetable oil has that their ingredients, which is quite scary at the, anyway, deep oil comes out of the, oil shafts in the Gulf of Mexico.

the germinated yellow corn flour, corn starch, rice flour, mallow, Dexter mallow and diglycerides, salt way, sour cream. And then the mallow. Dexter is a nasty, nasty thing. You don't want to be eating that now. Monosodium glutamate, onion powder, coconut oil, dextrose, sugar, natural flavors, nonfat milk, citric acid, sodium, casemate, lactic acid, yeast extract, disodium in so innate dyes, sodium glue gun they plate. Wow. This is good stuff, Glenn. Right there.

The, buttermilk, malic acid, invert sugar. What does invert sugar and, culture sugar is actually never hurt. I've never I don't remember ever seeing invert sugar as a, as an ingredient, but I'm sure it's good for you no matter what. The sad part is, I know what most of those ingredients do. Well, you've worked in some of the, the shadier areas of the world. yes. Yes. And I have a lot of those ingredients in little bags in my cupboard in my kitchen. Well, of course you would.

I know you could buy the MSG and the little, I have, like, a 5 pound bag of MSG. See? There you go. You could just add it. Yeah, yeah, I have a teething, but but really, mostly the only things that it's going to have a massive effect on is high starch items. I don't like. You can make like, beef with MSG, but I don't think it tastes good. Invert sugar. Also, known as invert sugar sirup, is a liquid sweetener made from granulated table sugar and water. Oh. So why is it called invert sugar?

That's, that's it's that sounds like simple sirup and health. Like, did that there is a section. Why is it called hint for sugar. Congratulations. and earned its name from its unique light reflective properties like the presence or absence of chemical bonds between sugar molecules can alter the direction in which light is reflected as it passes through them. When polarized light passes through regular sugar, it's always reflected in a certain direction.

When the same light passes through invert sugar, it reflects in the opposite direction. Hence it's called a sugar. So it's literally an LCD panel material. Yes. What the fuck are you? Who who's looking that which way? The light's going through their fucking sugar for a kitchen ingredient, right? I don't understand. yeah, it. The chemistry of food is an interesting topic and a horrifying one, depending how you look at it. But if you see the, an FDA, FDA.

Yeah. FDA agent and, it was it was interesting. seeing what kind of like, chemical tests and shit that they do if they actually do it or if they're just like, oh, yeah, we're pretending. Oh, no, she had a badge and everything. Oh, you like that part? Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. I was like, put on your uniform maybe. Yeah. You got a badge? yeah. Exactly. I was, that was an interesting thing. A lot of these people are, these people. These people? Yeah, that's a little racist. I laugh at myself.

I know, let me tell you about these people. And by these people, of course, I mean government agents. Yes. a lot of these people are, you know, like, you wouldn't know them if you met them outside of their work. Those. Because they're just regular people. Yeah. It's bizarre. It's the weirdest thing. You'd think for sure. You'd be like, if you saw somebody naked, you'd be like, government agent. Yeah, I would hope so. But sometimes not the case. Entrapment. That's all I'm saying. What was that?

What what was that little dip in the. Wait? What are you doing? It's the show. It's over. It's noon. What? You're supposed to end the show by saying, yeah, that your wife is coming down the driveway. No, no, that's before I go to open the door. We always have the show at, like, noon after. Oh, is it noon after a pithy line? Oh, what time's on there? We if we central if you say something like pithy and then we like hit it and it's like, wow, the show's over. That was exciting.

We do a take to okay. Then. Yeah. Give me. Now everybody had access with. I think we're just amateurs. We are amateurs.