Donate big numbers to unrelenting yellow and welcome hits. Episode number 85 of Unrelenting Wear. Last week, Gene and I relented. Yeah. So apparently when we did our show on only fans instead of on the no Agenda stream, I didn't realize this. Do you know that only fans is not just the podcast network. It does more it. It has porn in it. Did you know that? No. When? Yeah. Well, I found out on some of the comments. It's like, why don't you take your clothes off?
I'm like, What do you mean? We're doing a podcast. What are you talking about? You're like, I am taking my clothes off. I mean, I'm not wearing clothes, obviously. Why would I take any off? But yes, that's why we don't have video, because we're doing a podcast for the few, the proud, the people that donate it to us and only fans and didn't do a public broadcast. But yeah, I didn't realize it was like a porn thing happened in there. There was so much going on last week.
I'm like, I got this. I got that. I'm like, Do you want do you want to skip today's show? It was a little shorter. I mean, we only didn't like an hour or 45, but still, I thought the content was good because I'm like, Do you want to skip? And you said, Yes, I'll go back to sleep. And then you called me and talked for an hour and a half. So I don't know what the what the point was. I talked for an hour and a half. Okay. Kettle black this morning.
I tell you, I woke up and I'm like, What's that beeping? And they come into the office here and the battery in the main, there's two battery backup systems in here because there are, let's see, two computers. There are four monitors, a colored laser printer, of course, the modem, the router, a Raspberry Pi. Oh, yeah. The Raspberry Pi. You got to mention, that takes up so much. I know. It sucks it on down, baby. Yeah. And then it finally given up, so it was just in pure screeching mode.
So I had to replace that this morning. And then right before we were starting, I went down to throw something in the basement and realized that the dehumidifier for some reason was leaking into the fucking carpet. So the brand new America I know. Oh. So I pulled that and threw that into the other side where the washer and dryer and put a big air mover on there.
And I'm hoping that it was just enough to get the carpet wet and that I'm not going to have to yank up the pad in that little two foot by two foot space underneath the. Now, why? Why do you not have a hose coming off the dehumidifier into your sump pump? I do in it. I don't I have no idea why. Then this was leaking. I noticed the other day that the hose was not the system that it was using the bucket. It filled up. Yeah, I think the term is the hose were not.
The hose is the hose were there, were the hoses connected. But for whatever reason, the dehumidifier stopped using the hose. And I'm like, why is it filling up the bucket? And people are look online and it's like, well, the hose could be kinked or the hose could have something blocking it, although I'm pretty sure the hose were kinkier. Oh, yeah, but there was no liquid in it at all. When I disconnected, it wasn't like there was water. To be fair, that's usually how it goes with the hose.
So it's just empty, gone. Not just not liquid at all. No. And then I emptied out the bucket. So today I don't know why it wasn't really spilling into the bucket. It wasn't using the hose. It was just going directly under the machine. And then I moved it into the area where there is just a tile floor and all of a sudden you see water coming out of it when it's running. So I just unplug that right before and turn the big fan on and we will reevaluate that one at a later time.
So there's a saying is the 99 problems, but those are your main one right hose are always the problem, the hose not doing what they're supposed to. Yeah exactly. That's not what you got the hose for. Turns out it doesn't always the hose don't always do what you want the hose to do. I have that song claim in my head as you're saying this, that you don't always get what you want. Yeah, I Weirdos like there may be a blockage, which I'm guessing that's true, but I took the.
There's a water filter in the thing and I took that out and like, clean that look fine. Didn't look like anything in there. And so, I mean, otherwise everything's great. I mean, if it would just turn off, that would be fun. But I don't know. We tried. Lemon juice. You're right. I should pour some lemon juice in. I would, because the last thing I want to do is have to try to pull up the any portion of that carpet again, because I don't have a you know, I should always keep a kicker
to reattach the carpet here. But everybody should have all these tools on hand. And the nice part, it is the winter now finally rolling around. So the dehumidifier is not going to be an issue for for a few months. Yeah. Going to have to be running the humidifier. And so you put them in the same room, you let them fight them out. That was the old Steven Wright bit about a dehumidifier. And he does he did What we talked about lately seems to be dead.
I think he's alive. Still sorry, Steven, or probably. Yeah. Sorry. Steven Wright. You're going to die tomorrow. Like, wow, that's a horrible thing. Usually how it goes, the comedians we talk about are either dead or soon to be dead. It seems to work out that way, or their careers will be dead if they start getting accused of things even by nobody who has a real name, even if it's all anonymous, Even if it's not, not one person has reported it to the police.
That case either an even a rape thing is really starting to get old. Yeah, well, I think I think we ought to start putting a moratorium on those. And it's the boy who cried wolf. Think again. Because now people who will actually get raped will be like, why is nobody want to listen? Because, well, we've heard too much where people are lying about they've completely discounted the meaning of the word rape. It went from a brutal physical assault.
If something happens to me, you know, usually rape, Right. That just so happens to be in jail. I'll tell you, could have been an assault to other body parts with fists just as easily. It went from that to I don't like my boyfriend that I had 20 years ago, so fuck him. He raped me. Right? It's all he said, she said, which is the most worse. It's not even He's not saying a goddamn thing. It's all she said. He's saying, No, I didn't. Yeah, there's a disagreement. Hashtag women lie, huh?
Duke Lacrosse. There's been enough to Duke Lacrosse. Maybe there's been enough of these cases where it has been proven. The concept that you have to believe all accusers is totally bullshit. Yeah, Yeah. Listen, fine. Listen and investigate. That's what it should be. Just watch the documentary this morning about a woman who faked her own kidnaping for 15 days and got an ex boyfriend to help her. And then beat herself up to come back with all kinds of bruises and stuff to justify.
Right. She was kidnaped right? And what did she just go on vacation was like, I want to get away from everybody for a couple of weeks. Yeah. Basically sloughed her kids day care just disappeared for a month and you know stayed with the next boyfriend. Fucked like crazy. People are nuts. Well, half the people for sure. Yes. And the concept that you have to believe everybody, if you believe everybody, you're your life is over. If you believe everything people tell you, your life is over.
Understand that. And when somebody says somebody did something bad to them, you actually need proof. Which would also then encourage people not to go into a one on one private situation behind closed doors with somebody that they do not trust. Yeah, And in a different video I watched this morning, somebody else was talking about how the modern generation of school kids that already were fucked in the head by the fake COVID.
They on top of that right now with the the way that sex education is taught in school, basically, you have to only do things with somebody immediately after getting permission for that act. There has to be an app for that. Now there probably is an app for that, but it is it is gone from a Saturday Night Live skit of absurdity where people are, you know, oh, can I who did this?
I'm somebody this I can't remember whose joke it was, but they did the whole bit of it was like, oh, and all Larry David did in one of his shows. In fact, he was making fun of it, obviously. But he did it to where he's like, Oh, and may I leave my head six inches closer to your so that I can prepare for a potential, if allowed and granted future kiss you ask inch by inch. Yeah yeah it literally literally and that's what he was making fun of.
But this is literally what is happening right now with that generation to where I don't think it's going to be long before everybody of our generation is going to be accused of rape by people who weren't even born at the time that we were in their youth, because they're going to be watching old home movies recorded on VHS. Well, probably not even VHS. They probably DVDs. I'm going to Oh, my gosh. He just leaned over and kissed her without asking permission. How dare you?
My family are a bunch of rapists. Yeah, well, this is also an interesting thing when you talk about the fact that they're afraid that the population is way too populous. They need to get those numbers down. Well, they do and they don't. I mean, that's the big lie is everyone keeps talking in in the upper echelons about meaning to control population.
But meanwhile, they're doing everything they can to bolster the population of the United States as a country because they can't afford to have the population in the United States go down because their wealth is directly tied into that. True, they need the slave labor, but none of the kids seem to be even getting anywhere close to kissing. So I think babies are going to start slowing down. Oh, that's already happened. I mean, we've already seen that.
Right now, the percentage of male virgins under 30 is approaching 30. No, it's approaching 50%. It's like 46 and a half percent in most of them under 30 are virgins. Yeah, most of them play space games. That's right. Thank God for space games. Gives them a healthy outlet. If they're not having sex with crazy women, at least they're playing video games genes out loud like, Hey, dude, how old are you guys? Like 29. He's like, You've never seen breasts.
Evia. It's like, that's the reason you're like, I'm over 50. So that's my brain. Trust me, They've seen about 10000 hours of breasts. They've seen more breasts than you have in person. Oh, well, they only they get worse in person then. Yeah, well, yeah, it's like, well, no, they're not perfect. Now I have to go over to my mid journey and they don't create them. Exactly. The mid journey will get you a much better set of breasts. Yeah. They will never sag and made journey. So we talked. We did.
And we're doing the bingo on the video game talk is that we're doing now we have to add that in just I think just one of the many. So well that game is still like everywhere. So congratulations Bethesda I yes Bethesda. Congrats on the billion dollars that you made in about two and a half weeks. That's good job. I'm out. Not a record, not a world record by any stretch, but still pretty damn good showing game is still doing pretty well. How many hours a day are you doing it now?
I'm a couple. Maybe if that. I mean, I'm about 350 hours then I think in the last three weeks, which are 350 hours in the game, was what, 100 bucks? Yeah. That is great entertainment. Yeah. That's a great return for your investment. Well, cheaper than paying for it, but way cheaper. Cheaper than YouTube, frankly. Well, yeah, because YouTube just upped it to, what, 15 bucks a month? Uh huh, Yeah. I don't know, man. I'm. I might be cutting off the YouTube. No, and just you can't do that.
And as our buddy Andrew getting more and more stuff on there, well, that is, that is accurate. But as Ban Drew Scott pointed out, YouTube is now moving and it was starting within the next couple of weeks with any new video was not going to be able to have the creator turn off the Skippable ads anymore. Mm hmm.
Which means if you don't pay YouTube that 15 bucks and this is a great way to try to encourage more people, even if you only do it for a month and then go back, you're going to have the hardcore YouTubers who can't stand the Skippable ads. You might go, 15 bucks ain't so bad. Yeah, but you also I mean, I don't know, I for me, it's not a question of will. I'll stop paying and still watch YouTube. If I stop paying, I'll do the same thing I did with Netflix.
I haven't watched Netflix for three years. I thought you were just going to go pirate the hell out of everything. No, I don't. I That would be defeating the purpose. As far as I'm concerned. Netflix does not exist. And any shows that are on there are they don't exist for me, so I'm not worried about them. I've got a big enough catalog of shit. People tell me I need to watch the I don't need to worry about anything produced by Netflix.
Yeah, that was the conversation I was just having with the wife about the Hollywood strike, which is they don't realize there's a strike on. I didn't know. I'm like, There is so much content that's already out there. No, there's better content and there's content that's produced that right now, including on YouTube, but other platforms as well. That is higher quality than what comes out of Hollywood. The software is getting better and better. And my wife said more just everybody.
The new Kevin Smith is coming around every week now. Oh, yeah. I'm just saying that somebody that was able to discover it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, clerks back in the day. Keep talking. I'm going to grab a drink here. Oh, having a little bit of tea. Getting wet in your whistle there. I understand, but the new filmmakers have the ability to create content with some of the cell phone cameras are getting there.
And even if you get a little bit more high tech, the new whatever they're calling them, I don't know if you're calling them video cameras or whatever they are now, whatever the category is, but you can buy some very professional cameras for a grand or two that will get you quality movie quality from ten years ago. The new iPhone gets you movie quality. Yeah.
And these new things that I have no idea Adobe, if anybody out there knows anybody or if they work for Adobe, I want to know why are they putting all of the audio editing goodies in premiere the video app, but not in audition the audio app. I can tell you that why they I mean, they're under the same scanner. Yeah it's it's the the use case scenarios. So what they're finding is the people that have always used additions or not additions, what the hell the premiere is the video.
Yeah. Additions. Audio. Audio. Yes. Yeah. So the people that use addition are by far musicians. They are, but it is very quick music towards audio programing. Podcasts are big if case you haven't heard they're not podcasts and big audio dramas are not going to be none of them. They'll be. They're just dipping their toes into it with the new podcasting app. That'll give them a lot more stats as to how many people are using this stuff.
But from what they're saying is most people that use that product are doing music. They're not doing spoken word audio, books, texts, know whatever or podcasts. And so that's what the product caters to. It's got a billion different filters for doing guitars and all kinds of other musical instruments stuff, different reverbs and whatnot that you just don't need if you're doing spoken word. Well, there's not even a lot of that now in the let me finish where there is no bias.
But conversely, the people that are using Premiere a lot more are doing YouTube and Rumble and other video platforms. They're not people that are trying to make the next low budget film. And and those people that are doing the YouTube's, they need all the same tools that podcasts do radio.
So I think that's why is that it's a split in the market and their audio app is predominantly used by people that do music and their video app is predominantly used by people that talk, and their video app is now much more friendly for people that do podcasting than their audio app, which is weird because they have just well, not just we have been using Adobe Premiere to generate our transcripts because CSB wanted transcripts and everything, right, Right.
And well, yeah, you use that for this podcast. In fact, I'll tell you what's happening on the other end, which is funny, or it's maybe ironic that with the script, which is what I've been using for years to generate a transcript, they're going the other direction to where it seems like for every one new audio feature they add they had three or four video features. They want to be the video people because again, this is what they're seeing in the market.
Most people using the script are not doing podcasts, which is what they originally were thinking in what they originally created it for. Most people using this script are actually doing video on YouTube and other platforms. Now, Adam Curry will cringe if he hears this question, but do you think audio only is dying? No, I don't think it's dying.
I think there's always been a demand for audio only by people that want to be able to multitask, whether it's listening to the radio in your car or listening to a podcast in your car. It's like when you're driving. You, I hope again, are not watching YouTube. Yes. Or Netflix or whatever. Yeah, you can be listening to YouTube. Just, you know, have the map on instead of the YouTube app on your phone.
And I kind of understood it with the transcript because the case could be made that only in video do the transcripts matter. Although that's not true. Now with the podcasting 2.0 space and the ability to do the transcripts, but they've also now in Premiere added the one stop button, which is make text, whatever it's doing behind the scenes, it's a make text more intelligible button so it tries to get rid of the background, which I have filters that that'll do that.
One of the ones from Goyle that I talked about the other day, that's great. Removing background noise and reverb. So they're putting this all into Premiere and now they've added the filler words, which to me I'm like, Well, are you actually cutting that part of the video out as well? Because that's where they are. That gets very interesting with the video because it's bad enough that everybody's so used to jump cuts. They just don't care about having words.
Get out here and there. Yeah, I don't know. I hate it. I know I still said because back when we were younger, like that was a total no no to do in video is you'd have to reshoot the segment if you screwed something up. These days, no one gives a shit. They just cut out the stuff that's upstream. Yeah, they cut out a word and you notice the head jerks a half an inch to the right, a half, you know, And it's just like, boom, It makes you want your aneurysm start wanting to explode.
And inside the brain, they've got. There's a couple of products that let you do a eyeball refocusing. I don't know if you've seen that. In fact, the script will do that now, so that you can be reading a script and looking at your monitor. All right. And they will correct your eyeballs so they look like you're looking directly into the camera, which is weird. But I understand why, because it means you no longer need a teleprompter.
You could literally use your laptop to read shit and make it look as though you're just talking right into the audience, which is what everybody likes to built into this script. Now it's free. In fact, there's other products that do the same thing. Now, if they do this well with the video, they're building all these A.I. features in. Yeah, yeah. If the A.I. with instead of doing a jump cut that is very, you know, obvious for you and I to see if they can pull out the arms.
Yeah. And the eye fixes the face movement. Anything that happened in between, that would be genius. I think it's just a matter of time. It's not. And, you know, can they. It's a matter of are they working on already or will they work on it next year? I just think, you know, it's like if you're going to be working on the technology to take out the as an arms and repetitive words, filler words from audio. Yeah. The place to do that would have been the audio program first.
But no, because their market is much bigger on the video side than the audio side, believe it or not. But they could do more making video than they are making audio. And if you want to do both and you do it in the video platform, let me jump in back to audio. That's just a pain in the ass or you just don't worry about it because only musicians is the audio sweet, right? Nobody uses that at all. Well, musicians do. It's not people that only want audio for spoken word.
The technology, though, is so much to do that nobody else pays for that goddamn product do podcasts. It's literally just you. You just me. That's good. It's cheap. I'm a student or teacher. I'm one of those that's sitting there, a teacher of late, and I know this stuff. They are upgrading all their own, upgrading. They are upskill. They don't make you verify like a college email or something. At least they do with my friend who is a teacher. So and she doesn't care.
She doesn't want to use a go, but she doesn't care. So it's under her email address. I see. I see. So technically it's her adobe that you're pirating. Yeah, well, no, I'm not pirating it. It's paying. You're paying her for it. That makes both of you guilty. She's just letting me use it when she's not. Which is never. Which is? Yes, exactly. But you're paying money for her to do that. And they are upping the price for everybody but students and teachers with all of their new AI stuff.
People are going to love that. Hmm. And they're doing a credits system. So this is something that's also fairly unique. Now with the way Adobe is doing things. This I whatever they're calling it, it's it's irrelevant now that they have a firefly, I think is what they call this outstanding thing, which is now built into Photoshop. It's not in beta anymore. And since it's not in beta anymore, they've decided, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You know, this this API stuff, it's like using our resources because it goes to the mothership. Yeah, man. It's like, you know, it's. It costs us money and stuff, you know? So now you're only going to get X amount of users per month. Yeah. See, this is the next evolution of the monthly subscriber ship as well. You first used to be able just pay somebody a flat fee for their software forever. Yeah. And you, by then they were taking. That's not enough money. We need money perpetually.
Hey, how about you just pass a small monthly subscription that costs more per year than what the product used to? CA Yeah, and then now they've like, Oh, but we don't make enough money doing that. Hey, how about we charge fee per use fee because now we have that opportunity with all the new to do that. Their cost is not going up significantly. What's up now?
It's getting to that point and it's right now you're getting like a thousand a I it's a month and then right now they're just saying, well, and then we're just going to slow you down. So you're going to go, you know, it's like the phone company. Oh, don't worry. But we have unlimited, unlimited data. The data speed slows down after one megabyte and then we slow you down if you use too much. That's exactly what Adobe is going to with this.
And there's still a lot of questions and not a lot of answers on how much of your data is being uploaded with the fine print to where they actually own every piece of art that they are generates for you in perpetuity. Well, of course that they generate, and I wouldn't expect that to be any different there. Yeah. So they, you know, they own it. The question is, is this normal? How are people accepting the fact that a tool now owns your creative effort?
Well, the tool doesn't because I cannot own copyright. But you can. But it can be true, but you cannot copyright anything created by A.I. that seems to be the law of the land right now. That could change. Yeah. That's not. Yeah, there's no actual lot of addresses that and it. Well, I think that's an interpretation of one thing too.
There and I agree that's the problematic and I think that a better argument can be made to say that given plenty of other similar examples, the person pressing the button owns the copyright. Well, the real question Tiger feet, because with photography, what exactly is my generating when I press that shutter button? Nothing, Nothing. You are capturing the real world, seeing what existed already and I'm reproducing it. But yet I get to hold the copyright on it.
And this was a famous case that happened when somebody dropped the camera into a gorilla enclosure and the gorillas picked up the camera and inadvertently ended up taking some photos, some good ones, which were later published, and then somebody else published them. And there was a lawsuit saying, hey, man, you stole my photo that the gorilla attacked. And then I said, No, I sold the gorillas photo the gorilla took and the gorilla can't hold the copyright.
Therefore, any photos generated by gorillas are open for anybody to use. And that one. Right. Could you like. It's my cameras. It doesn't matter. They no cameras. The tool. It's whoever pushes the button and the tool that owns the copyright. And I would argue, and I have with a number of people that it is the exact same thing for this age generation.
It's the person that puts the words together and hits the entity that then gets the tool to actually do something, to spit out an image which has before never actually existed, which with the eye, I don't believe there is any way. And people in the know have said the same thing, even though for a while people were like, No, no, we can we can create software that can tell you you got to count the number of fingers. That's all. Well, that for some of the photos. Yes.
That you would know it's I created. But there is no way to know what was as the ones that were claiming to be able to decipher if text was written by A.I. is laughable because it's fucking text. There's no way to watermark that they're trying to watermark the images. But that is also not going to be an easy thing to do in the long run because Pandora's box use. There's no going back. There is not.
And I thought it was interesting, just as a quick side note, there was a guy that decided to try the value for value no agenda model that was a photographer. Okay, because there are some of these stock photo sites that allow you to do the value for value thing, which is here's my photo and you can use it for free if you want to. And somebody won a prize too, if I remember right or something like that.
Possibly A.I. generated artwork, ended up winning a prize in a in a journalism photography contest. Yes, but this guy was just using the stock photo sites that allow you to put your work out there and say, Hey, use it for free. But if you can donate 100,000 downloads, you know how much money he made? I would say 1% of that zero. Oh, really? Yeah. Yes, zero. Oh, boy. 100,000 people downloaded his picture. No match for sure. But that's pretty bad, huh? Because people are cheap motherfuckers.
That's why they are cheap motherfuckers. Yeah. What the hell? It's like, okay, if you're going to use the guys stuff, maybe. And I know I've been the onboarding. I can't believe people would ever play music recorded by musicians who didn't get compensated for that music. Oh, my God, those people exist. Shame them to shame. But you want to see my basement with the 4000 CDs? You want to see my. I didn't want to be anywhere near around you. You know, it's all here I have spent.
I will tell you, without a doubt, I have spent more money supporting music and bands than 99.9% of the planet. I am confident in that number. Okay. And I mean what you're saying is great that you're supporting people, but that's sort of like having a a an art forger say, you know, I've spent way more money buying original artwork than the original stuff, the show. Do you want to go buy it in order to copy it and then resell it? You want to get the copies.
Those are where you get the most bang for your buck. It looks exactly the same, which is why the I voices now are great. You could just have gotten way better. Yeah. You know the point? I think the job of a book reader is very quickly disappearing. I'm damn near ready to do an audio version of my last book. In fact, I will probably let people know, so I'm not going to be out next week. You should probably get somebody else to come in.
Hey, I'm taking next Wednesday off from Grumpy old bands because it's the wife's birthday, so it's a great I'll take the week off. I love the New Year and taking too much time off. I know I like it. Don't take the whole damn week off because people have released that because people like it. Then you have Friday and get Ben Rhodes to sub for me on Friday. Why would I want then you want me to do Grumpy Old Ben's on Friday instead of Wednesday?
What does No I want you to do Unrelenting on Friday with a guest host. I'm skipping grumpy old bed, so. Exactly. Hey, Ryan, I want you to skip the show that you say yes to it. That's correct. Would you like that? Would you like to be Jean for a week? That's why nobody ever said yet. Still once every seven years that that birthday falls on and they do Grumpy old Ben, that's when you skip it. And then in three years it'll fall on Friday or in two years and fall on Friday. Then we'll skip our show.
Next year is a leap year, although they may be next year then, or I can't remember which direction it moves from their back. I don't remember roughed up by him. You're leaving the country yet again. I mean, this is very interesting why you keep leaving the country. I have business interests. I have I other business interests outside of this. Yes. And for the record, I am definitely not going to Cyprus. I am going to Mexico.
That's what you say. But when you're little RF When your RFID tag in your neck starts lighting up all over the Eastern Bloc, people will be noticing there will be jean sightings all over Moscow next week. Yes, but it's not going to be me. It's going to be another old guy with a long beard. Yes. They're pulling for you. Not in the Eastern Orthodox religion. There's a there are lots of old guys with long beards. People are walking around like Jean, Jean, Jean, Jean.
Yeah. And then some of them are even named Jean. So, you know, it's kind of a weird thing. Yeah, that happens. It's what's a Greek name, so it makes sense. But I mean, the the adobe software, I like that they're incorporating this stuff. I don't like the monitor you as you go concept. Mm hmm. And I would really like to know and I'm not worried as far as the who owns the I generated artwork, all of that is going to be going down the rabbit hole they're saying now and a lot of this air stuff.
Well, yeah, you can use it commercially, but you don't own the copyright, which becomes weird and doesn't really matter beyond the fact that. Okay, so if you create let's just say you create a T-shirt that starts selling like mad with a design that you use that you got from I, that just means other people can use that design and you can't stop them. But the reality is, even if you created that T-shirt yourself, you really can't stop people from stealing your design anyway. Oh, yes, you can.
You can. But it's very difficult. One, you got to find them. Yeah. And luckily we have an able to do that. Let me ask you this, because there are legitimate businesses allegedly like woohoo, too, is an Amazon company that constantly sells and there are other companies that do this, but they constantly sell t shirts. Yeah. For like a week that, you know, are just completely not licensed for all. Like I bought one that was Tigger from, you know, Winnie the Yeah, yeah.
As Doctor Who in a TARDIS and it's like there's so many problems with that and that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. But they do it and they sell it. Nobody seems to bother. And that's a big company. And here's the thing is that the, the main thing that you go after when you have a trademark lawsuit, in my experience, is shutting down the other guy's ability to sell that product.
That's that's the easiest to get is to get a judgment to prevent them from continuing to sell the product much harder, but still possible is to go back after lost revenue. And then that that requires a slightly higher bar, but you'll end up having to show how much revenue you lost as a result of that sale.
And I think for something like what you just described, which is the Winnie the Pooh and the TARDIS combination, it's going to be a harder argument than if it was just a blatant copy of a Winnie the Pooh t shirt that somebody else actually owns, right? Because this being an original work that incorporates trademark characters, you're going to have to say, Well, how many people bought that t shirt instead of the official Winnie the Pooh merchandise? And most people would guess almost nobody.
Yeah, And unfortunately, that's what's going to that's what the lawyers are going to tell them. Or the barrister like 19th probably going to let the client know is that look, we can spend the money to go after this. But just keep in mind, your recovery may be very limited. We can we can probably stop them from selling it, but if they only sell it for a week, right. And then they've stopped already, that's literally no point in going after them.
So that is the genius of that kind of trademark infringement is, yeah, you're in and you're out and nobody really will. They care companies, by the way, that do this on Amazon with physical products, not just T-shirts to where they will buy a container of something from China that is a clear knockoff. They will sell that container aggressively very quickly, and an item will never pop up again. Makes sense for the same reason because the law takes time. Most legal cases take years.
So if it's a quick flip, you're probably fine. Well, I would never say that we don't provide legal advice here on the show, but fact that Amazon was selling those T-shirts through, woohoo! It's like, you know, they're not licensed by both of those entities. I wouldn't unless they if they worked on the policy, is they will always cooperate with trademark and copyright holders. And you just have to go through their process and submit a claim for infringement.
It takes about a week for them to process that. So if you only sell them for a week, yep, there's nothing to it. You are in good shape. Yeah. If somebody found the sweet spot, the the extent to which you can get away with stuff and still be fully compliant with Amazon if they ever tell you to stop selling something great. Yeah we were he did You have got a thousand new shirts coming in next week. Yeah we you know we need to peruse. Yeah.
We just realized after we sold a thousand of them that you know, apparently that that was a copyrighted thing. So we stopped immediately. Soon as we discovered that, and then we made it Fozzie Bear and it's all now we, you know, we can we get the Kermit the Frog and Miss Piggy and Fozzie Bear flying in the Star Trek uniforms. Exactly. It's amazing how that works. But with the Adobe, my question is still, if I take a portrait of Jean.
Yeah. And I want to change the background or change of the clothing or I want to put some sunglasses on. Yeah. How much of that original photo is being uploaded to Adobe? What do they retain? There's a lot of questions that they have. Not everything, I would assume, because there were people that were having issues and this was one of the more interesting ones, people that work in the I will tell you, I think that they to retain everything for trafficking reasons for X amount of time. Right.
There's a legal reason like two years because there were people that were in the business of the erotic arts, shall we say, and they couldn't figure out why. They're like, okay, I upload a photo, I'm working on a photo that has a naked person in it. But what I'm trying to do with the photo, you know, it's a photo that's take it outside. And I'm trying to do the new Adobe magical thing where I can make it a larger photo with more of the backgrounds of the forest.
All I want Adobe to do is create something for it, right? It has nothing to do with the subject that's in the photo. Yeah, but Adobe was throwing back errors on that person. It's like, well all you have to do is make another layer, block out the naked person and then it works. And it's like, well, that shows you that they're doing that scan. But it's like, I understand where the Adobe doesn't want their air to create nudity, but I don't understand.
I don't want it to work on a photo that has it in it. It's been around for a long time. There are, there are. And it was all pre I, but there were still filters but Adobe and incidentally other companies like Dropbox, like Google and Amazon will absolutely scan every single image that is in an image readable format that you upload them even though it might be in your own private Dropbox for that exact same reason, which is trafficking.
They are checking for images that will trigger a potential underage minor image with nudity flag. And when that happens, without you finding anything out, that will automatically send out a notification to the FBI. Now, there somebody will review that presumably internally and then decide whether this is potentially a child nudity, child porn image. Right. And if it is, then they'll pursue the case and if it's clearly, you know, misinterpreted.
So it might be an adult nude image, then they'll disregard it. But all those companies have talked in there. If you go to the right meetings. Right? Occasionally I do. You you find out a lot more about the security and the internal compliance efforts of those companies. So, you know, I used to work in compliance, so I know a little bit about this stuff. And they they have done this for many, many years as both a form of CIA and as a a joint partnership with the FBI, which a lot of companies do.
And they don't really talk about it. But the intriguing thing is when you're throwing errors here, you're showing that you're doing this, at least you're searching for. It's just not public. And the reality is it's like they're they saying and I was going to say Playboy, but I don't even think Playboy's around anymore. Oh, that's sad. I think the brand has been sold off and it might still be. And I know it's not China print form anymore.
Yeah, there may still be some Playboy magazines in parts of the world, but when they had the first trans model centerfold, I knew they were going to lose a large portion of the audience in the in the good old USA. But for those kind of photos, just I mean, again, nothing crazy, nothing hardcore while there's a personal playboy with an eye when they did the transition, maybe that's what they should do. They should have really leaned into it. Yeah, just lean into it.
I mean, there's I mean, people that like Thailand, if you're going to do that, the amazed will do it. And be honest about what you're doing. But I just don't understand why you'd be like, Well, we don't want any erotic photographers using it again. I get it. If it's trafficking, if it's children, you catch people, you put them in jail. It's kind of the same thing with guns. You don't want to get rid of all guns. You want to get rid of the people who are committing crimes with the guns.
It's not the tool. It is the person committing the crime. And it just seemed the fact that they are not very clear with what kind of information they're collecting I would just warn everybody, don't don't upload personal photos that you wouldn't want to upload to the Internet through the Adobe software because it is uploading it to the Internet in some way, shape or form.
And I don't know if a lot of people understand that because there's a lot of people who started with Adobe and as you just talked about with software, it used to be you bought it at the store, you put the disc into your machine and it just existed on your computer and it didn't talk to any mothership. When you were doing editing. Mm hmm. That's not the case anymore. Of course, it may not be the case with the podcast either, which may be probably on a few lists for the show.
Those transcripts going right to the three letter agencies. Only the Playboy Mansion's entire lawn has been transformed into a parking lot in Chicago. No, the mansion in Chicago was one of the first ones within it. Where he was the first one? Yeah. Yeah, that was on the Gold Coast or the gold. We call it the Gold Coast. Yeah, the old gossip. Yeah. I remember driving by there. I've never been inside of one of my childhood friends.
Husband work with Playboy in the in there as a writer, if you like. Well, sure. People read the articles, buddy. No, I mean, that's. I mean, it's like you look at this guy, you know, he's definitely the writer that can do anything else. It's very, very, you know, kind of nerdy, Jewish looking guy. Yeah. I mean, I had the nerdy thing going on. I mean, that's that's why the wife had no problem when I worked for multiple playmates at the same time.
Didn't care. Right? Right. That's a hell of a trust factor the wife has, I guess. I know. What can I say that Actually, I know it's. It's like. Wait a minute. God, goddammit, don't trust me. Don't you think I can get some? I know. It's like you did really well. Is that what you're saying? That's like, no. Why? No chance in hell? You know, that's. That has been her exact words more than once. Like you think you can get that? Go ahead. Try the doors.
The blocks will be changed by the time you get home. But go ahead. Try to do whatever you want to do. That's the. That's the secret. That's the one longer. They're the secret of a long marriage. Go ahead, try it. Go. Do you think you could get it? Go ahead and try. Oh, boy. Yeah. Hey, the wife never had it so good. She's got a personal chef. Hmm How many other guys have a wife that has cooked, like, five times in the last ten years? Tell me.
I'd say at this point, most of this the world we're living in now. No, no. Women know how to cook anymore. This is why it's like, I can't believe these restaurants aren't doing better. The takeout joints, they should be doing beaucoup business restaurant should be like multibillion dollar industries no matter what they are. Well, a lot of them. Texas, at least. Very well. What did you tell me your lunch was the other day, like $500? Uh, no, 421 four. Well, 421 Somebody smoking.
And that's including the tip. So I rounded up to a funny number. To a funny number? Yeah. That was a lunch for two people, by the way. You are better than good. Yeah, it was pretty good. There was, you know, fish. Well, it's fresh cod. You'd think they could give you a discount. I digress. Yeah. There is not a whole lot of discounting going on, that's for sure. But pretty good. Pretty good quality food, pretty good waitstaff. And now staking out the founding partner out for lunch.
So I have to be the one paying. So there you go. The the intriguing thing with places like Chicago who are getting rid of. Well, no, we're getting rid of the minimum wage. They want to raise the minimum wage for waiters, waitresses and everything in between, but want to forget somebody's gender. They want to raise that to the same minimum wage as everybody else, but still allow them to take tips. And it's like, are you kidding me? Yeah, it's crazy.
Why would you do that? Is there any. It's the guy. I'm going to go to the idiot. It's if you're going to mandate a minimum wage. Well, I don't see why everybody else shouldn't get tips that point. I think you ought to tip your software developers and everybody. Well, that it is a tipping society, isn't it? Less than once.
I think if you watch the one video on this topic a month ago or something and it was, you know, not a great investigative journalism piece, but I did go through and ask people a bunch of on the street interviews with a variety of types of people, at least not all like college students, like some of these guys do. But yeah, it seemed like of the people that were asked the the vast majority said that they have stopped tipping completely because the cost of food has gone up.
Wow. So it's not a really good time to be a weight person. AT No, I don't think it's probably why there are a lot more clamoring for a minimum wage or to go up because tips are now issued by a lot of people, which they're also trying to fight by making the minimum tips higher for the ones that do bother leaving a tip. What? The minimum tip is bullshit. Let's start with that. But have you been to an establishment? I have not.
Have you been to one that has gotten rid of the tipping and just says what? We pay our people a fair wage so we don't have. It's been a while. It's been a probably about a year since I went to one of those. But was the service good? Yeah. Then that is I will applaud because I would think once you take that portion out, that service could go down as long.
Now if the restaurant is on top of things and they watch and they make sure that the staff doesn't start going, well, I'm not getting the tip anyway. So whether I do good or well, and in fact, I'll tell you, many, many years ago in the nineties, back in my hippie days, if there was such a thing, I ate at a number of, Oh boy, this is going to sound really corny, but like a commercial house. Yeah, commune restaurants. It's communist. Comes from that word. You want to see it right? Exactly.
People are going to be like I told you, you about stuff. It's worse. They were vegetarian. Well, how did you eat there? You know, I told you this. I was vegetarian for three years. I see. I still don't believe that I blocked that. It's hard to believe, right? I know. Totally is at this point. Like, if I don't eat, at least one steak every other day, that was wrong. Every other hour. Well, and a lot of it.
I mean, you remember when I went for, like, what, 72 days eating literally nothing but steak every single day, right? Yeah. You pulled the Penn Jillette thing, like, let's try the the carnivore diet or whatever they call it. I liked it. It, it. After 72 days, I was going to do it for 30 and I liked it so much. I kept doing it for another month. But at about the 70 day mark, I just started just being bored with eating filet mignon every day. Oh, how horrible. Oh boy.
You want to know why people don't donate to this show? It's things like that that you just said. They just get so tired of eating 5 million every day and watching it down with the Perrier. Yes. Yes. So very much. I am not a fan of Perry, though. I don't like any of those bottled waters. Uh huh. No, it's. I like distilled water. I prefer. Yeah. I was trying to explain to somebody that, you know, I don't really get like colds, flus or anything else.
Generally. And I don't think my breathing pure carbon dioxide and drinking distilled water has anything to do with that whatsoever. Well, it is in effect, your body is, you know, a combination of so many different inputs and outputs. Yes. And there's a reason why a lot of people, including my wife, never got as much as the sniffles throughout the whole COVID period, even when I had a flu like illness and tested positive for COVID. Yeah, and she didn't try to avoid the real question.
Did any of the playmates that you were hanging out with get COVID? Yeah, they all got it immediately. No, that was that was years and years before back in the the heyday of the World Wide Web. And it would have been a lot more fun if I was around that when it was hey, create videos and uploaded videos were not a thing on the internet at that point. Now too slow. Too slow.
Even images at that point were not a easy thing to do, but it wasn't as easy at that point either, because it was really at the heyday, the beginning of all this. It was not easy to monetize. Yeah, it was. You had to go and get your own credit process, start work right now because you're unemployable because you worked in the porn industry all those years ago. Must be. I thought that was a web designer. What was the right But you were a porn person.
So clearly that Mark stuck with you the entirety of your life, owning the domain way back when the pinup models dot com. That was mine. Yeah. There you go. So you were like, worse than working in the press and you're like a porn producer. I know. And I didn't make any money at it. That was the worst part. Well, no, I actually I think you were have been in good company because I think most of them didn't really make much money there.
Now, there's a small group out in in California that was certainly making plenty of money in the Valley. But I think most other porn producers weren't in it for the money. And the interesting thing was, I mean, one working, most of the girls were sweet as hell. The one that was kind of the ringleader that I got started with turned out to be the one like, I want to get way more money. I'm like, Well, then I'm not going to make anything doing this. So no thanks. I still have. I've got to find it.
I have a micro cassette somewhere from the answering machine where I got so pissed off and I just took her site down. She went fucking ballistic. Oh yeah, ballistic. And it would be some great audio for tech on the podcast. And it's exactly it sounds like podcast material back in the good old days. The interesting thing was at that point, and I don't know if anything has changed since then because Playboy is not the behemoth that it was, but these really exist anymore.
So yeah, you know, somebody has to own the like this, and I don't know how litigious they may be, but back then these girls who were Playboy Playmates of the Month, they weren't just like random models who appeared somewhere. They weren't Playmate of the Month. Playboy would go after them, slash us. You could not use the word Playboy on your website. You could not use the word playmate on your website. If you used any of the images from magazine, they would go after these girls hard.
Yeah, well, I remember Playboy got their first website. It was actually the professionally produced site is well done. It was all very white. You remember that? Yes. And it was like I thought it was a very good look, that it was better than the magazine for what it was because they were trying to make use of what they had. You didn't wanted to be overtly and a lot of websites back then. Remember the Geocities, everything has to blank.
Everything is blinking and neon colored and in your face and all the text looks pixelated and all the images are different size and different resolution. And they figured out that you were building, right? No, I was trying to be a little bit more elegant, and I probably still have the the website somewhere because they were all pure HTML. Yeah. Which was the beauty as well.
And the way the girls were making money was like, well, there's a if there was a subscription kind of thing, it was mainly just there were packages that they would send out. So autographed photo, that kind of thing. It was all, you know, here's a P.O. box. There was no even at that point PayPal. There was. Yeah. They had to get their own credit card processor. Do it like a business, would it? Way back then, things have gotten a little bit different.
I was surprised some only fans just so much simpler. Well, I was surprised and I've only gotten this on the grumpy old bands. The show I do with Ryan Bumrah's on that Patreon. Yeah, the show used to do with me. Yes, you want grumpy old bands And then we had to delete all of that from the public lexicon and say that was just pre unrelenting. But that is the only Patreon and I've got the one for that and the one for Random Thoughts and another one.
There are some, but none of them except grumpy old bands. I got an email the other day during the show on Wednesday getting all bands that said, Hey, you can now any kind of digital content that you want on Patron, whether or not people are a member of anything, whether they're one of your patriots, it doesn't matter. Yes, you can sell an audio file, you can sell a video file, you can sell a PDF, you can sell on. Yes. I mean, I don't know if you can actually sell.
That would be a huge change because they've always presented themselves as being very family. There's they allow for some things and not others. So I don't know if the content would matter, but you can definitely sell JPEGs, you can definitely sell a zip file with a bunch of JPEGs. You can sell anything that is in a digital file and they're taking 5% of it. It said plus fees. So I'm going to have to see whether these 10% base perhaps, which still isn't bad. Yeah, but it's not on all of that.
The only patron that that's on and I haven't touched that Patreon in like interesting a year and a half, but I thought that was quite interesting. If you want to do a special episode, if you want to do something to try to raise some money, you can do that and not be like, Well, you have subscribe. You can do an argument and say, Well, here's an episode, okay, we did this. Jean and I did something totally different. You could just go buy it for 299 if you wanted.
If you don't care, it has nothing to do with this show. Hey, want to buy our phone call recordings? We have those available right here to 99 a minute. Get them all. They're not exactly. Remember, people used to pay. They probably still do. Are 900 numbers still around where you call up and probably. But I doubt anybody uses them. Huh. Well, why would you? Because I can talk dirty to you now. They probably are. When you call the 900 numbers now to. Oh, my God, you're right.
You know, you're right about that. How do you know if you if you're calling and it's like there's like a dude in India typing five different conversations. Yes. For like three bucks an hour in guy's talking like one on one conversations, having, like, no baby. What are you wearing? Yeah, it's like the Seinfeld where Kramer's talking to Jerry's girlfriend and it's just like that everything in the show turns out to be just like Seinfeld somehow. Yeah, I think we're going to get to those.
I felt it'd be like, I mean, come on. Jerry would be like, I love this show. Yes, Yes, I know. Jerry Seinfeld listens and loves this show. It's his favorite podcast. Hey, Proven wrong. Exactly. Would we get this cease and desist from Jerry? You know? Yeah. In fact, I think it's like this raises a question. Yes, we should be a Jerry Seinfeld. Think this is the world's best podcast. Listen and find out. How did you know we're talking about Jerry Seinfeld, the comedian.
Yeah. And we didn't specify which episode could've been Jerry Seinfeld the 10th year in the future. Yes. Or the answer could be no. It could be. We don't we don't ask the hard questions. We don't know what we're going to find out when we start not asking thing. No, no, we do not. But the other I have to say, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Jerry Seinfeld's favorite podcast. These guys are great. What is this podcast about? They just keep kind of listening and I don't understand.
It reminds me of something. Maybe a show I was once on. Yeah, well, now you're taking it a little too far. I mean, I don't know that anybody would ever think that this is scripted. No, this is true. This is true. This is not a scripted show either. We have the most talented writers and we're really good at reading scripts. This is where this shit ain't scripted. It just keeps popping up on my screen. What to say. I don't even know how it works. And then the eye fixes your eyeballs.
Yeah, the air does everything. It turns out to be fixed. Yeah, Yeah. See? SB is pulling the strings at every part of the show, and it's costing him money. Yes. Yes. Darren would not stand the Russian apologist. No. Uh huh. That's how it works. So speaking of Polish people, they it seems to be a little friction happening between Poland and Ukraine. No sudden new in the whole.
We're not giving them any more money, saying, well, I think the phrase was Ukraine is a thinking person that will pull us in with them if we let them hold on to our hand. Well, the most interesting thing that I've heard on this whole situation was an had to be on no agenda, the best damn podcast in the universe right after this one was Poland's like, Yeah, we want part of Ukraine now. Yeah.