035: Love Train

Hello, people of the Internet. We have a very special and different, unrelenting for you today. And you could probably tell that's the case because you haven't heard the theme yet, which you're probably not hearing yet anyway. God it. All right. We're off to a fun start. But among the. The. New and different and wild things happening today is not just the theme didn't play, which I'll play the second one. You did. Yeah, you shouldn't have heard it. But also Darren O'Neil's out here.

Yeah. So consequently I have to have a co-host to replace Darren. And who better than Sir Ben Rose? How are you, Sir Ben Rose? I am doing great. I am caffeinated probably about 50% right now, but I have enough in my stomach that as we go, I'm going to get more and more and more hyper as it works its way into my bloodstream. Caffeinated up. Good. I'm drinking some ice cream myself. Somebody didn't warn me that that 7 a.m. comes way too early on the left coast. But I kept coming in at 7 a.m..

I've delayed the stream by an hour just so you don't have to get up early. It's still early. Yeah, well, it's not late, but for sure you're all right. There's the theme now. Everybody know what the hell I should run. I sure as hell don't. I'm sure somebody in the troll room knows. Don't look at me. Yeah, but. Oh. You're in the troll room. Yeah. Yes. Well, keep an eye out for anybody answering what the hell ups of this is, because at some point we should mention it.

This is episode. 33 or something. Yeah, it's three. I think it's three. Three. I think that sounds about right. We'll just make this episode 33. There we go. A special guest there, Ben Rose. So hello. I don't know if you've noticed or if you looked at all this morning and comment in the no Jenna social but for some reason people think that we are hostile towards each other and I have no idea why that's the case. Well, I mean, I hate you, but I also hate Darren and I hate everybody else

in the world, too. It's it's I'm. I'm not singling you out for anything. It's kind of equal opportunity. Yeah, I don't. I'll even go further than that. I certainly don't hate you. I just think you're an annoying prick. But I don't. I don't go so far as hate. Yeah, and that's like you're accepting of that term, so that's fine. I thoroughly enjoyed time. We got together for lunch, too. That was fun. That was fun. What's good? Sushi, too. Good food. Yeah, that was good. The few things.

Thought where I didn't have to pay for it was. Well, I didn't either. So actually we both like that on that one. We'll let Amazon take care of that bill. Yes. So that's a little inside baseball there. Yeah, exactly. Knows that we were there. That's true. That's true. I don't know if if if you brought any topics I've got a few we can chat about here.

But you know, generally Dan just starts off talking about something that I really don't care about for a while, and then I kind of nod, Yeah, well, and then I move on to stuff that Ukraine and then I talk for a while. The tone in the room has just said it's actually episode 34. I don't know if we believe that, but I just. Maybe this is episode 33 part year and I guess, I don't know. I might be like. 33. I'm going to call this 33 and a third. Works for me.

So I didn't bring topics, but there are things I well, okay, I brought topics but I didn't bring any new stories or anything. I don't know. Is this a news story show? Not really, no. This is a chit chat show, a random the way I describe it in the last maybe one or two episodes ago was we're kind of like the Seinfeld of podcasts, meaning it's the show about nothing. Yeah. And I never watched it. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. It's popular now, but, you know, nobody seems to like it.

There's there's certainly some hot topics that I have strong opinions on. And I wrote down a list of topics. So you well, you're ahead of me then. I didn't write anything down, so. Go for it. Yeah, but, but these are super generic. Here's, here's my logo. Racism, copyright, law, economics, bodily autonomy, right to repair, and Silicon Valley versus privacy. You sound like I'm I'm reading out Jeopardy categories at this point. It sounds like. Okay, well, okay.

So if racism true or false for 100 day. Take though I'm sorry which one. Racism. Okay. Circle. Well okay. In the latest searching speaks which I understand it's a little bit of an old episode but through the luck of the draw it played after no agenda yesterday your co-host made a point about there are differences between racism. It's not between races, it's not racism. It's a biological fact.

And I don't want to necessarily quibble with that because, of course, there are differences between people. But my question at the time that I posed to you is why should skin color be the partition function between humanity? I totally agree. And what about what about gender? What about if you partition people by the length of their pinky finger or something like that, just take some other random biological aspect of them. Or the size of their breasts. Well, in that case, mine.

I'm pretty good, but. Yeah, why? Why is that's my biggest. No, I totally agree. And I this I've actually created an opinion on this at least in my opinion, corrected him on this that the race is the human race and that race is distinct from other humanoid but non-human races like Neanderthals. So I could be racist towards Neanderthals. In order for me to be racist towards another human, I would have to be sort of a self-hating human, I guess, or self restating human.

I mean, not to the quality of being human. There are other qualities I maybe, you know, particularly to like I like redheads, for example. So I guess I'm, you know, anti brunets. And for what it's worth, things like hair and eye color are perfectly valid. Partition functions, too. It's just all all of the people in the world that that people, you know, will consider, oh, this is multicultural, tend to have brown eyes and dark hair.

So maybe that, you know, if you partition based on eye color, for example, you're going to get a whole lot of diversity in Central Europe and not much outside of that. And the reality that the biggest minority that you can find, if you include all humans on Earth, everybody in the human race are the green eyed blonds. They're the fewest of them of any type of human, really, of any variety of humans. Yeah, absolutely.

And so I would think if you want to be inclusion first and politically correct, all that jazz, then you have to recognize the fact that this is the group most likely to go extinct and therefore needs the most protection. Yes, if you really care about diversity, you know, and that ultimately is my problem with any kind of diversity rhetoric is it's just assumed that the diversity we talk about is is one, you know, one assumed partition function.

I'm like, well, there's lots of ways you could partition, but. You lost your temper. You lost something. Oh, you're crossing Dario. I'm sorry. Apparently my mute button isn't working. If you can hear that. Yes. So I have really good hearing now. He says. Oh, well, then, Daron, figure out a way to mute me. It's yes. Oh, by the way, you get the split to take care your play. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't understand why, but apparently you are. I, I'm.

I find it's best not to complain about things that are funny. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure that I've always made a point that guests get promotion, they get money, but. Okay, fine. I'm. I'm not the one who set it up. But speaking of promotion, I. Play with with his brand new split. Functions. Yeah, that's exactly what he's doing. He's playing. He like he can't be on the show, but he's going to play around with the split function. Works for me. Yeah, I can. I can tell it's working.

Yeah. I'm like, this is this is perfectly acceptable thing. Next up right. All right. We talked about racism. We talked about the split. What else you got next topic here? Well, how about bodily autonomy? Oh, one. Day for 400. Right? There's two ways we can go on this, because there's two huge, huge hot button political issues depending on which side you want to be on. One is this big abortion thing. Yeah. And the other is job mandates. Yeah. So. I mean, I think first and foremost, people

ought to be consistent in their opinions. Yes. And that is ultimately my big problem with people who classically identify as being on the left is their decisions are made, which they set their values at the spur of the moment. And not everybody I've known, certain people who are honorable. So is exempt. But you you set your values at the spur of the moment.

It's an interesting dance that definitely comes down from like the top levels of the leftist parties, where what values you support at the moment are determined entirely by whether or not they get you the results that you want. It's an ends justify the means situation, which is really no values at all. And that a person who who does that and uses that is acting immorally because you have you have no code of ethics.

You are just deciding to push really, really hard and and set rules based on what you want the outcome to be. This is what Clarence Thomas was complaining about when people were like, well, we just need the Supreme Court to decide in our favor in every way. And like, well, we're deciding based on this little piece of paper called the Constitution that has a bunch of rules.

Well, and I think that's the difference between politics and ethics, is politics is about getting what you want in a creative way, utilizing the laws and ethics is looking at laws and enforcing things that are self-evident. And I feel like it's it's about having a code of rules to live by and then sticking to that that that to me is what makes a well I guess an ethical person. So it's. Exactly right.

But if you need the rules to be created by Congress or do you think these rules are still relevant? No, I think that most of the rules that we should be living by are created by God. They are so God or self-driven. I think it comes down to the same thing. If eventually it doesn't require a government to tell somebody what is good and what is bad, that we're born with a certain amount of that and our parents, at least in theory, add on to that even, even further.

And so what should be left to the government are settling disputes between people that both think they're operating ethically. Yes. So we're agreeing nonstop. This is going to be a boring, boring show for everybody, apparently. Well, screw you. Do I have to ban you from the troll room? Well, that. That would be a double down. Is that ever been done? And I am. Sure it has. There's certain people who have pissed off would zero that much really? Yeah. I can't imagine anybody pissing off with 0.0.

Seemed to be like the most. He you know it way back a couple of years ago that he kind of stepped away from the community and had his second kid and decided to focus on family life and found religion. And he is a much happier person. I'm very happy for him. No, he is. Yes. I haven't seen him since. I want to say cheese. Probably ten years, probably 2000, 12, 13 timeframe. I've never met the guy. Hmm. Yeah. No, it was very nice about him as a then girlfriend or fiance. I guess so.

Before they were married, certainly before the kids. So. But I'm very nice. I'm telling him we can't stop. Let's probe in a bit, see if we can find something that we disagree about. Okay. What? In in in an ideal utopia? In Gene's ideal utopia, what is the role of government? Let's just go pure philosophy, because I know you like that. Sure. Well, like I mentioned before, of the role of government.

One of the roles of government is to settle disputes between people who both think that they are the proper side, ethically and morally, legally. Another role of the government is to protect the population which created the government from outside forces outside the invasions war, etc.. I mean beyond that and I'm a libertarian. What about printing 40 billion and sending it to another country? Is that not part of the role of the government? I think that no, that is not the role of the government.

First of all, printing money should not be the role of the government. If the the populace decides that, you know, using some physical heavy means of currency, things like dollar pieces of gold is too inconvenient. They can certainly have authorized the government through their voting to create something that says use this piece of paper.

It will be accepted as equivalent for that gold by everybody in the country so that you don't have to squabble over, well, this is just not the right piece of paper. But man, that would require that would require a constitutional amendment. If I was running things. You did just hit on something that I'll go ahead and just classify. This is one of my peeves with regards to argument and I I'm not saying you did this intentionally, but it's something that everybody does. It's part of rhetoric.

In fact, I just literally did it right now is using if if the people approve of something through voting. Right. And that is the it's not the fallacy of stereotyping. It's a fallacy of the undifferentiated middle or I don't remember what the exact one is, but the idea that saying the people can agree to anything at all is stripping people of their individuality and their ability to choose for themselves.

And that ultimately is my biggest problem is is a democracy is always mob rule and there were always is unless you can find that one unique issue that every single person agrees on, every time that you do something or say something on behalf of the people, you are committing a fallacy of saying of of including in the group people who don't agree with that and sure.

Sure. But the concept of government is predicated on a group of people agreeing like if you don't have a group of people that agree, there is no government you have in order to create government, you have to have people that agree and say, well, what is this, 51%, whatever, just 51% of people agree. Well, I would say if if you're truly creating a government from scratch and you're consider yourself to be another Goliath, then what you do is you say. Okay. We're going to draw a line.

Everybody that wants to form this type of government down the right side, everybody doesn't on the left, all of us that agreed to create this type of government. We're going to go off and do that. Well. Well, maybe trade with you guys, but we're not going to force you to be part of our country, that we're creating the government for money. We have a unanimous vote where everybody that wants to say, but government just agreed by stepping on the right side of the line.

Yeah. And now second question is, is, you know, what what color should we paint the front of the chapel or whatever? And now you've got people disagreeing again. And eventually every time you have a decision, if you partition the people based on that decision, you ultimately end up with a whole lot of governments of one person each. Absolutely. And that is the ideal form of government. Incidentally. I agree. I am willing to quit agreeing.

I'm a willing to allow some collectivism to creep in, though. Collectivism has to be agreed upon. It can't be forced. On the family or tribal unit. I think it operates best collectively, but actually the last time we talked more than a year ago discussion. That we did and I think that certainly anyone that has a family unit can the think of an instance where maybe they would like to have been a government of one instead of a government or a family.

So ultimately, I'm just going to come out and say the biggest problem that I have is, again, with the idea of a government. Obviously, every time that we have a presidential race, it's all or nothing. It's it's this guy's, you know, side gets everything or this guy's side gets everything. And every time 49% of the country get completely screwed. Sometimes 51%. Well, actually, it was more like 65% if once you take out all of the fraudulent votes.

Yeah, but you know, but really ultimately I think about 95% get screwed. Well, they. Many of them didn't realize it at the time. I think that they had an inkling, but they were willing to do it just to stick it to the other guy. You know, they didn't like me in tweets. Yeah, but that's your.

Problem that I have with all current forms of government is the partition function, which kind of made sense back when when this was a very effective way to partition tribes and people didn't have contact outside of it. Geographically, you start with a map and you draw lines on it. You draw lines on the earth and you say everybody who lives in this geographic area is now committed to the one government. Well, that's not how people are connected anymore.

Most people wouldn't recognize they're they're the next door neighbor if they saw him in a police lineup. But we're all connected now in ways that transcend geography. So why are we still suffering government geographically? I particularly like living in the Pacific Northwest, but yeah, I guarantee you that Jay fucking Inslee does not represent me in any way. And your gasoline taxes going to double as well?

Yeah, it. Is. If we had if we had a government where, you know, a republic where each state was represented and each or each city, each county, whatever, except that instead of partitioning geographically, we partition things by online community.

I would join the No Agenda community and I would that would be a government that represented me in geographically is I mean there are certain things where it still makes sense, like connecting utilities, connecting a direct utility line from me to you with nothing in between would not be economically efficient. No, not really. But it's a lot of there's a lot of rules and and b I. There's the Internet structure itself shows us this is possible.

We have no central ownership of the Internet, although we've had a hell of a lot of control there, a. Lot of people trying. To. But look at the Internet. 20 years ago, everything was still connected and it was very, very decentralized. You could take many different routes going through many different companies systems, and yet the package still gets to where it needs to go.

And I guess where I was going was that gives you asylum is is that I think it is possible to have a system where there is connectivity between people physically in different locations to be able to present themselves as a single community, a single cohort, to be able to vote and apply laws equally as long as there's at least a certain agreement and trust between all these communities and those connective resource sources, whether they're Internet

or roads, like they don't all have to be owned by the government, but we have to have plans and treaties in place that allow everybody to use the same road, whether they vote libertarian, rhino or communist, because that's the three options. And is libertarian really an option? Well, if there's nothing else to vote for, that's who I'm going to vote for. I don't know my my go to in most races is fill in, fill in. None of the above. I guess that's voting.

Yeah. A lot of people do that. That's yeah. That's probably more anarchist than libertarian. Yeah. I used to identify as a libertarian.

I have determined that I don't identify as anything other than superheroes now because if, if you go into a conversation and you say, I'm a Republican or I'm a libertarian or I'm, you know, a left wing bi curious job, then somebody will automatically decide all, you know, everything about you and make a bunch of assumptions without you even saying any further words.

And it completely the moment you say, I'm a libertarian, then it derails the rest of the conversation because they're not talking with you anymore. They're now talking with their opinion of what they think of the stereotypical libertarian, whatever they think it is. So I definitely don't identify as.

Hard and I'm probably more objectivist than libertarian, but I did run for political office as a libertarian many, many years ago, so I still kind of default to saying libertarian, but honestly, it is a lot more of an objective and a libertarian one. I don't know, the the more I see the government operate today, the more anarchist I become. And, you know, there are some fun. I think it's out there like Michael Ellis.

I, I'm not familiar. Really. Okay. You definitely need to watch some YouTube videos like Michael Mills guest. On his awesome the awesomeness of his position. So he is well I have a love hate relationship with him I think that a lot of like his he rolls me the wrong way when I listen to him. But I appreciate that he's there, you know, I mean, there are some people like that. He has a kind of how I felt about Trump.

But go on. As neo mallis is one of those people that I see as fully taking advantage of the system that he's living in, you know, financially and for, you know, marketing and everything else. But talking about ideas of anarchism, which I just like, I've known people that are what I would consider true blue anarchists like these are, you know, guys that are boycotting. Absolutely everything from Walmart to Facebook to whatever. Yeah. That's if you can swing it and not have your.

Yeah. And that's the problem is most like they mostly live really poorly. Yeah. I'm like, well, Michael does not want you to live poorly. Living really poorly is actually going to become a lot easier for a lot of this to the dying party. Yes. Yes. And it's going to be not just easy. It's going to be mandated in Europe literally in months. Yeah. What have they done there? And they've decided to cut themselves at the foot of Russian fuel. Oh, that's right. Is this the Ukraine segment?

I was, which is. Yeah, we're transitioning smoothly just in case nobody notices. Yeah, because Europe really didn't have a dog in this fight in Germany. Doesn't give a rat's ass about Ukraine. Poland mostly wanted territory back from Ukraine. Most European countries barely can point to Ukraine on the map. All they know it was part of Russia. And then, depending on who you ask, they had a revolution and got themselves rid of Russia.

Or if you're looking in from another perspective, CIA came in and created a color revolution and placed a Western based puppet government in there. And so, you know, like these people were not buying gas from Ukraine. They weren't buying most things from Ukraine other than what it had in abundance, which is it has farmland. So there were farm crops that were purchased from Ukraine, not exotic farm crops, just regular farm. That's about it.

And yet they're buying a lot more from Russia, including a majority of their energy in the form of natural gas, as well as oil. And then the US, which buys virtually nothing from Russia except for uranium, you know, nuclear power plants running. Yeah, I heard Hillary was a great support. Yeah. So us that doesn't really doesn't lose anything decided.

Well we're going to we're going to meet Putin decided he had to get out of Ukraine and we're going to do that by telling him hey McDonald's don't want a lot to operate in Russia there. And of course, this is all a set of dominoes that once you topple one, they just keep on going and Europe joined in.

I don't think realizing that this would last as long as it will and it's not over yet, nor realize that, you know, maybe it's not a good thing to piss off the guys that supply all your laundry, all your fertilizer, and a good chunk of your other raw materials. And they just went along with it. And now they're going to be paying the price for going along with what America did, which America is not doing great as a result either. But but Europe is really fucked.

See, here is and this goes back to the point I was trying to make earlier. Here's the problem that I have with all of this political intrigue. I don't want to disagree with anything you said because we've got a thing going where we agree with everything today. But that was. Okay. I didn't realize that was a thing, but okay. It seems to be and I'm going to go I don't want to mess with it. You keep saying Europe did this and Russia did this and Ukraine did this.

And again, the problem that I have with it is that I have I have absolutely no identification with the the the elites who have cheated themselves into positions of power in all of these countries. And when you say that, what you really mean is, you know, Putin's government did this or that. Of course. Of course. Well, absolutely.

The reason is that when when you distill it down to, you know, this country did a thing, this country did a thing in return, I feel like what what that story always misses is the fact that every time that two countries come out, wave their dicks around and put them on the table and start measuring the table is made of the backs of people who really don't want to be involved.

And it's always the I have a lot of sympathy for the population of every single one of these countries who are getting completely screwed by a bunch of political dick, measuring by people who really should be up against a wall and not countries. I, I totally agree. I hate to say it again, but no, that's absolutely right. I'm using the shortcut of the country, but certainly it is the the rulers of that country that are making these decisions.

And I think that there's been a little bit of a leap perpetrated to somehow suggest that the first are not deserve and that the politicians are not the royalty. And that lie, I think, was mostly created to try and keep communism at bay, which is this idea that, hey, the earth can rise up and gain control, which in and of itself is a lie as well. But this is also why I just referred to Cerf in my intro as unfair Dreams speech because nothing has changed.

There's always been a ruling class for probably a million years, certainly going back about 6000 years. We know that there was a ruling class from archeology. There always will be a ruling class. Some people will always find ways to control other people, whether they do it for intellect very rare, or whether they do it through persuasion and scheming and lying much more common. But there's never going to be. I can't envision anyway a country that exists where some people aren't ruled by others.

The United States. Absolutely a part of that as well. Well, but there's a matter of degree. And here's where where we go back to the you know, there was a I'm going to name a period and place where collectivism actually worked pretty darn well, 13th century North America. Okay. The it's always a matter of scale. There is no possible way to govern something the size of Europe or the United States or Russia and and do good by all the people. It's impossible.

There's too too much variety, too much diversity of the people. What people want, what people need to do, what you know, of of situations if, if you are going to govern then EU you can do fairly well governing by the about the size of a tribe, say 200 people. And that was the system of government among native Americans for years and years and years before the Europeans came over and there was a whole lot of strife. What makes you think that was better way? Well, I'm not convinced it was better.

There was war between tribes. There was there was a war within those were within tribes. There were a lot of. The world was better. I'm saying there was no state. Well, I think the Aztecs may have something to say about that. I wasn't there. Okay. But you weren't in the 13th century anyway. That you know of. The. That I know of. Correct. But the century certainly in North America prior to that, the Incas, the Mayas, I mean, we've got large civilizations that existed in North America.

So are you are. You contending that if you have a series of tribes, that a state is an inevitable outcome? Yes, I think it's a population determinism. It's I'm sorry. It's a it's. A population based determinism. I think once the population grows to sufficient levels, it's inevitable. So what you're really saying is that our population has grown too big and we have an overpowering. We limited the earth to only 500,000 people. Yeah, and you. Wouldn't have the. Fishing.

Is that the real solution to all of our overbearing government problems is eugenics? Absolutely. Totally. Yeah. I'm Bill Gates. Knows this shit, man. Does he look like a guy you want to trust? I mean, no, no. I know you've never worked for Bill Gates before. Exactly. Now, Bill Gates is a smarmy. Look when he was at Microsoft. Yeah. I I've I've seen him on stage quite a few times back in the nineties, and he was absolutely a weasel.

He's the kind of guy that Steve Jobs made look like a nerd, like Jobs who in any other crowd is a nerd standing next to Gates made Gates look like he's the weirdest. Nerd out there. He was. He well, he. In fact, I'm not even sure Jobs was in. It wasn't. Jack was the nerd in that company.

Jobs was a slick salesman who was so good at it, had so much charisma, and was so good at sales that he could warp the financial and economic reality of people around him for the purpose of creating and making his product stand out. He didn't do that technical, but well, he was initially. You remember where they met in the. Silicon Valley. As a fracking club? We're in fracking, not oil, but fracking as in the original connotation of making illegal phone calls by playing poems through a payphone.

They met at a group in the Bay Area that was like a meet up, a local meet up in the seventies of record. Yeah, but how? Jobs wasn't just a poser then. I mean, like, I mean.

Well, I there's this happened back then was jobs identified very quickly that this technology thing was going to take off because he was really good at spotting trends and deciding to get ahead of them and whether that be releasing the iPhone when he did to create the smartphone market or going to a nerd club and chumming up to a bunch of nerds for the purpose of trying to get them to do all the brain work so that he could benefit from it. Those are functionally the same thing.

Yeah, maybe. I don't know. But I do remember as a. Salesman who could get other people to do things for him and he's done that. I don't think he was that in his early twenties. He was he was he dropped out of college. He never wore shoes. He didn't take baths. That's not a salesman that that is a hippies. Everybody has their foibles. You only wear your sleeve once you get big enough that you can market them. Yeah. I mean, eventually, instead of just, you know, not not wearing shoes.

He just had the same black outfits everywhere. With a cat on your lap. That's. That's my foible. And, well, I don't know if I've made it big enough to be able to advertise that though. Yeah, well, I, I don't know if you're, if you're interactive. Does he make noise if you tell him? I mean. Yes, yes. If you go back to some of the older episodes. Of Cars, they're purring. Sometimes you heard. Sometimes he would yell very loudly. Or he would yell, oh. It was picked up.

And it's hard to know what gets through the noise gate. But whenever Darren would derail what I was saying ago, was that your cat like? Well, yes. And also fuck you too. Funny. Yeah. So should we should we touch the third rail here? I don't see why not. Okay. So the hell did, why did you guys stop recording in the first place. Oh, that third rail. Yeah. Oh and I just want to, I have instructions from the troll room. Tell Jean it was freaking not fracking as in phone phreaking.

Yeah. I would have record. They're correct, they're fracked as is freaking no fracking. Well I wasn't sure because you know it might have been jobs and wasn't they were busy injecting liquid. Yeah, they were exaggerating maybe. I know that. That's totally right. I was incorrect. Yeah. Yeah. So, what, what? What happened? Because it seemed like. Like I was a listener of your show, and and I was even a guest because I was an a guest on your show twice. So it was a little bit out of the blue.

And also they get a text message from, if you ask me, just drop off again. I'm like a little short notice, but you're well. And then the next day I was like, Yeah, you're, you're good for next week as long. As I'm like, okay. Okay. So what's the deal like? I don't know whether. Or something like what. So Darren and I have never been. What you would call good friends, at least in public. But you certainly never had sushi together.

We have not had sushi together. And yes, he's never invited me to his house to help with his air conditioning. Mm. How to put this? Well, there was a troll who I was getting fed up with, and this is the catalyst may have been underlying issues that I'm not going to talk through because you're not my psychiatrist. But the catalyst was a particular troll who had been going over the top for several months and I was getting fed up and was doing things like kicking him out of the room.

And I didn't take a hint. And then I find out later that Darren had actually been egging him on because he wanted me to get pissed off. And the. Drama. Huh? Drama? Yeah. Well, the event happened the weekend that my cat died. Very. About the. Cat. Yeah, well, I am, too, but that's. That's in the past now.

But I was kind of in a fragile place, and the troll started in again, and I went ahead and just did a kick ban and said, you know, you keep you know, you do this one more time in your band forever or something like that. And I was. Just like, third time. I get it. Yeah. And to be honest, I've never banned anybody forever. And I don't think Darren realized that. But he was like, forever is too much. But, but in Darren style, he didn't come to it like, forever's too much.

We should probably do something else. He was more like, Oh, I see that you're totally unprincipled in a, an authoritarian douche and then fuck you. And I guess grumpy old Ben is over now because you don't like the troll that I grooming or something like that. And the, the troll to me was quickly forgotten. It was just the catalyst for an argument between Darren and I and we.

To be honest, what happened publicly was only the tip of the iceberg. And and the one thing that bothered me and this is probably why we quit for so long was that Darren and I were at first shouting a lot in the private back channel, and I can get over that because I don't have the attention span to hold a grudge really for that long. But he was then taking his side of that and bringing it out into public, and that was probably the thing that broke it for me.

And I was like, I can't do this anymore. And it probably would have been no problem at all. But the other thing that again, I'm going to mark this up to a misunderstanding was what I said was the one thing that I want is just like grumpy old Ben Strop because the show was me and Darren. We built it. It's not it wouldn't if I tried to do grumpy old Ben's with cold acid, it wouldn't be Grumpy Old Ben's if you tried to do Grumpy Old Ben's with Darren, it would be a different show.

In fact, it is a different show. It's called I think it's right here. I saw them for a while. Yeah. And I and Darren will totally agree when I say this is I told them probably from episode three so we should probably change the name is like, yeah, we didn't do that. And then like literally I kept telling him, warning him, change name. When are you going to change name or change name? Because clearly this is a hot button for Membros and you keep pushing it. Why? There's no reason to.

If we're doing a different show, why do we need same name? So we like I said, the what you saw in public, even the stuff that Darren brought out into public and he shouldn't have on was was only the tip of the iceberg for the amount of shouting. But I would say that, you know, the shouting served to Darren and I reached a conclusion. But one of the parts of that conclusion was this isn't going to work and you've got your own thing.

And he started he went off and started shows with you in a show with Larry and both of them are excellent shows and everybody should listen and definitely donate to the one with Larry. But yes, I agree. Yes. Because you can't hear a goddamn thing because of subsonic. It's below human hearing when you listen to that. Oh, I love Larry's voice. But yeah, I have to turn him up. Uh huh, yes. I don't I don't know if it's I don't know.

I don't know if Larry's voice is just in that register where my old man hearing has a dip in the spectrum or what. But if every time Larry's on a show, I'm like, everybody seems like they act like they can hear him. Fine. And I have to turn back time. But I'm. Yeah, well, that's true of both of those guys for me. Oh, it's my hearing. I'm like, Oh, but you. Can hear my whiny voice just as what. You're you're whiny voice.

And my whiny voice are perfectly fine in terms of my register of hearing. But yeah, I actually have the do to keep more of the highs when I'm doing the show is there and just so I can hear him. So anyway, ultimately the what what I will I will leave it at is we needed to take some time off and he went and started like 13 new shows and I went started my one solo show just to damage, you know, I started in Agritech news.

The reason I started it was to demonstrate to myself that I was capable of making a podcast. And if you look at my update schedule. Literally anybody is capable of making podcasts. It's the lowest frickin bar you can. Anybody is capable of recording a session, but can you record 33 and a third in a row weekly on time with without fail? Yeah, that's about how many I did before I realized this sucks. I'm going to do them just whenever I feel like it.

Well, that is. I think I was doing it every other day. I did every other day for about two months. Every day is rough. And then I just like, okay, I'm done. And then eventually you took on a co-host because you realized the job. Got me back into doing it on a standard schedule, honestly, because I went from doing it every other day, doing it twice a week to doing it whenever I felt like it. And having a co-host still forces me to do it once a week.

It actually, I've had the exact same experience having a co-host and having somebody there who's like, Hey, you know, I warmed up the stream. Where the fuck are you, is, is excellent. And then the truth. And when otherwise it's actually pretty easy to be like, I know I need to get a podcast out. But yeah, there's also work to be done that pays better than podcasting.

On like literally everything. Yes. Yeah. Or, or, you know, there's this show on Netflix that I really need to get through and binge watching. Well, if that's your thing. Yeah. Exactly. No, I. I think that co-host thing works. My first podcast that I ever did was in 2006, seven, seven. I think within two episodes I figured that had to be a rule. So we had three regulars and a total of six people that rotated through where most shows had at least two.

Some had five people on them, and that was six, this FCC DHHS, which was a podcast where everybody was a security expert. We had a guy from the NSA, we had a few guys that were working in Fortune 500. So I was one of those guys. We had a few people that were in the military, but everybody was a CIA is just the minimum, and most people had a lot more certifications than that. And we started the show off by talking about what drink we're starting to drink as we start doing this stuff.

So it was a bunch of dudes that got to the barely Nietzsche security related positions and then, you know, took the tie off because most of us were didn't try to work. So if they want to grab, grab the drink straight tequila. Well, it really depends. Did everybody had a preference? I was generally doing white Russians, but that's because I get a little bit of a sweet tooth. I like liquor mixed up, low sugar, so that work. But it was it was a fun show.

But I said right from the get go, or at least in the second episode, it's like if this ever gets to a point where I am the only one showing up that will be our last episode. So all the rest of y'all keep that in mind. But yes, you can miss episodes because we have a big enough crew where we can rotate people around and I'll maybe occasionally miss one. I'll be a muslim. But if we get to a point where I'm the only guy that shows up, so I'll record that episode, but that'll be death.

So what you're saying is that if I hadn't agreed to do this today, it would have been just you, and that would have been the end of unrelenting. I could. Yeah. So thanks for you. Could have. Thanks for saving. Unrelenting. That's nice of you. I didn't realize I had that power. I would have definitely demanded more than just. You would have gotten up there. Yeah, well, you know, 33% share of this show's actually worth something. Yes, there are. There are some significant donors derail you.

Just briefly, you're recording this, right? Yeah. Please tell me you're recording. Okay. I am. There is a lot of whining and bitching from the audio files in the troll room. Yeah. Saying that your audio is terrible. And I think that a part of that is that it's coming over Zen caster and I'm not massaging it in any kind of pipeline whatsoever and just sending out there. Yes, the recorded audio will sound a lot better than the streaming audio

or because. Yeah. Because you're you're going to make the recorded audio sound fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Better than when Daron does that I'm sure. Probably. Yeah. But, but what I do know is typically when I do it with Darren, he takes I'm doing this raw. There's, there's no compressors, there's no filters, there's no interview, there's nothing on my voice because that would Darren wants to get is just the raw sound. And then she does all the processing on his end. Yes.

And then it comes out sounding the way you guys normally hear on the stream because you're running the stream. He knows the magic incantations in. Yeah, yeah. No he could use well audition he knows the magic incantations to make even crappy mikes sound really good. Go listen to the first 50 episodes or so of Grumpy Old Bens before I had the A320 and Darren still made it sound pretty good, despite the fact that I was in a different room while I was podcasting.

Yeah, it's a he does have that skill set for sure, and he practices that literally on a daily basis, which I do because. He pontificate. On a. Daily basis. Yeah, he does. Exactly. Absolutely. But I certainly have the same equipment, if not the same skill set, and it will sound a lot better on the recording, but that does. Not shut the fuck up troll room. It'll sound better if you download it. Yeah. I don't know. The troll room bothers getting everything right.

I like the program because it allows me to derail your conversation when you start getting really boring. Yeah, that's. That's totally fine. I, I enjoy what it's brought up. I just, you know, I'm bound, so I can't be. My understanding, buddy. And like I said, I have the power to unbanned you. But I won't, because I really. You're whining about it. Dammit. Yeah. You know, it's helping that. I could talk me into that when I had you here as a co-host. But I guess.

I guess that's not going to happen. No, no. It's an important part of this show. This just would decline in quality if you were ever unbanned. Yeah, because I would probably just be mostly talking and typing to people in the troll room to answer that question. And that really playing much on the.

Recordings will tell you the absolute best thing that Darren did for me when I was typing in the troll room early on in our show, and he recommended for me a new mechanical, super loud clicky keyboard that comes across. I have a moose. Yeah. And that broke me of typing during the show. I'll tell you that much. Yes. Thank you. That's very awesome. Yeah, well, you got to have these things if you do gaming at all.

So, yes, the prerequisite do you want to go to another topic that that is one that I'm not allowed to bring up with Darren anymore. Sure. Well, actually, there's a couple of them. There's there's one is my opinion about the jab. I don't know what Darren's current opinion is on that, honestly, but. He seems kind of wishy washy on that, I will say. I mean, I'm definitely a pure blood who. First decided to get injected with the JNJ, which is isn't the gene altering substance.

So on that he he seemed extreme. It's just blood one. And was really quite annoyed and kind of pissed off with all of the people who were like, I can't believe you did this. How could how could you go wrong? What the hell is wrong with you? Why are you giving in to the man? What don't you do trying to kill yourself? You know all of the stuff I love to bitch about. All of the retarded things that left wing people say.

But man, you step out of line just a little bit and even the right wing are going to come out in attack. Oh, you're telling me I'm the guy that went out and said, Hey, maybe this Ukraine thing's a mistake? How many right wingers do you think I did? I was getting literal death threats in email. Nice. Yeah, I did. Yes. And put a. Rainy day. Like those. No, I have not published them. I don't want to make people's lives any worse than they already are thinking. They're right.

Yeah, but those are worth something after you're dead. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Believe me, if I'm dead, they will come out, that's for sure. Good. I just don't think that's a valid particularly. I got a dead man switch for for that. And plus the all of the evidence of the Kennedy assassination. I yes, the the Kennedy assassination is something that you're required to keep quiet about if you live in Texas. Right. Because because you. Put me on the only.

Well, it's one of the things that, you know, when you become a citizen of Texas, they tell you the truth. You kind of have to not let people that aren't citizens know about it. So actually, on on the topic of of getting the most horrible comments from far right jerks, the most controversial thing that I have ever said in the last like three months and I say controversial things every 30 seconds.

So I feel like this one really stood out was when I said in the grand scheme of things compared to all of the other topics and all of the other ways that the elites are screwing over the public and all the things that that you have to deal with in your daily life. High gas prices, inflation, trying to figure out where your next meal is coming from. I said abortion is not that important an issue. And yep, I've been saying that for a long time. Just sign out of no agenda social for a while.

Oh, my God. You're kidding. Really? I said this on my on for the speech just recently. As I said, you know, honestly, I don't have a horse in this race. I mean, I'm I guess I'm happy for that to be returned to the state. In terms of the states rights versus federal rights issue, I like federalism, but I just you know, I mean, I've never, like, tried to talk to any of my past girlfriends into getting an abortion. Neither have I tried to talk to any from not getting an abortion.

So whenever somebody tries to wrote me into the debate because everybody has to be on one side or the other, the answer I love to give is, you know, first of all, as as a moral issue, you are murdering a kid that I know. And I people who are on that side of the debate are totally okay because they don't know the kid. They haven't connected with the kid. They can treat it like a clump of cells or whatever.

There is an actual human being sometimes even with with, you know, a beating heart, a working circulatory system, a functioning brain, that's not taking in a lot of input yet, but it's still firing synapses. That is a human being that you are destroying. And from a moral issue, that's an atrocity. From a legal issue. Oh, yeah, from a real issue. I think that you should be able to kill your kids all the way up to 18. Absolutely.

I there have been plenty of other people I would prefer to have killed at a much later age. Absolutely. Especially an airplane. I mean. Oh, my God. Move out and become on stable and then self-sufficient. And then at that point, it's like, well. It gets harder to probably. Point to. It's I mean, there's it's a legal gray area. Whether or not you should be able to kill your kids after they've moved out and become self-sufficient.

But, you know, I I love the fact that you and I are both believers in the Koran and that we we do agree that children belong to their parents. And I think people are finding out new and interesting things about us. Yeah, well, that you're a horrible person. I think. Well, I don't think that's new and I don't think that's new. Are they finding out that I'm a horrible person? That's not really me either. So honestly, the most frustrating thing is that you're agreeing with me again.

Well, you keep bringing up topics that I've basically on the correct side of. So, you know. Maybe that's the problem. Okay. Or would you disagree with that? I know I'm an expert and therefore I'm right about everything. We know that. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. That's how it works. Okay. All right. How about IP law? This one, you'll definitely be on the side of maximalism. All right, talk to me. Copyrights should last five years, left less. Less. Let's see. That's another hot button issue.

I'm not allowed to talk with Darren anymore, because every time that I bring it up with Darren, he brings up the sob story about the poor, a mega millionaire star A-list musician who would lose hundreds of thousands of dollars per mo. Fuck her and her flat. But man, that's why I say. And. This is ridiculous. The guy who plays illegal music like music owned by somebody on his radio show. It's twice a week. Yeah. Bootleg music whose rights are owned by somebody that he's not paying to.

That is the guy who's going to tell you that copyrights are a good thing. I just every time I get I get to sob story about how, you know, what the person who worked hard and wrote this song and my favorite is the hypothetical situation of of what if somebody writes a song but they don't release it for five more years? Does that mean that the copyright is out and they don't they do. They deserve nothing like.

Well, yeah, if you did a piss poor job of, of marketing yourself or, or you didn't, or you didn't decide to release your product within the appropriate window. This is how it works with every other place in economics, which is if you if you fuck up and don't go to market at the right time and the demand isn't there, and you can't sell anything, there's no legal system stepping in to say, Oh, we're sorry, you deserve a passive income for the rest of your life because you did work once.

You know, it's all bullshit. And I recently had to work with the Patent and Trademark Office for a number of products and I think that the whole system needs to be severely overhauled. The original. Distinct from copyrights there. Is they are just. Due to copyright there, I think very little value to patents.

Yeah, well, I think they're both the idea around which the the exclusivity is based is in providing some level of benefit to the originator, whether it's an idea or a writing or whatever it is, that if you came up with it, now you're reading for this should be some period of time where you ought to be able to have exclusive rights to that

and presumably make some money off of it. But but long term, I mean, it's like Disney is the root of all evil in all things, but certainly in as much in trademarks as any other. I think Disney is a symptom. Well, if you put aside their woke bullshit, which is a completely different thing, Disney abusing copyright is. They've literally changed us copyright laws. Yes, they're the company responsible for it. Right.

Is is a symptom of of the fact that so I've had this debate with lots of people about corporatism. And that is people say people will come to me and I'll say the government is evil. And people say, no, corporations are evil. And of course we're both right. But they will say something like, well, you know, these corporations are abusing the government power. And I said, they are they are engaging in capitalism.

The problem is that the incentives are there because the government power exists for them to take on. And that I will get people saying, well, you know, things would be better if corporations could just stop being greedy. Well, why don't you just transform us all into answer bees or something? Because humans are greedy. It's you're. You're talking. Things will be better if we can just change human nature. And exactly. As well. Things would be better if we had smaller government.

Although from your argument that a state is a natural result of any group of people growing together, maybe I'm arguing we should change human nature too. Yeah. No, the we should change human nature is. Is how you end up in Nazi Germany. It's this idea that people's nature, people are built wrong and we can fix it. We have the technology. We can simply make people. Better to manage shots. Then. Oh, God. Yeah, I think it's all part of it.

I mean, that's the thing is it's a whether it's political correctness or whether it's not the ism, all these things are they're all hinged on this idea that we have the technology. We can change human nature and make people better. The reality is it's been millions of years in the making that our human responses are what we would describe as values.

But really our responses to stimuli have been optimized by the successful progression of a, you know, multiple generations successfully breeding that had traits that were positive and not being successful at breeding when the traits were negative. So we have what we are as humans is predominantly the result of evolution in action. And when you try and change these evolutionarily optimized traits, you're really rolling a rock uphill.

I mean, this is why you have to have indoctrination camps because it's going to take years and years. They well, they're working, but for how long do you really think that the people that are super woke when they're 22 years old. Of young people now. They have.

But but here's what I would argue is if you look at past fucked up generations, by the time they get to be our age, they are so far on the other extreme as a response for being fucked up when they're young that now you're like, they're going to start wanting to push in the other direction. So the people that right now in their early twenties are the most woke are going to be the ones that are for rounding up woke people when they're in their fifties.

I, I, sadly, I don't think I'm going to live that long. I'd love to see it. Oh, thank God. Neither one of us. I mean, I'm already over 100, but it's a it's really a situation where a, the pendulum keeps swinging. It doesn't just stop magically at one point and stays there. It keeps rocking back and forth. 2023 was the year that the pendulum starts bringing in the opposite direction. According to the book, Pendulum by Roy Williams.

And I forget the other authors name, but they're both people I know. But that historically they've gone back in time and and forward and projected it. And 2023 is the the edge of the pendulum swinging towards collectivism and then it starts swinging back. And this is this is true for Western culture in this there's a different pendulum for Eastern culture for either, but for the Western culture.

That's where this 1983 was the peak of the pendulum being on the opposite side of collectivism in individualism. So it's, you know, things change, but we have dead air now. I do think coughing again and pushing your button. Or did your cat due through the wires? Oh, we might have lost memory of, I think, the overwhelming truth of what I was saying may have may have affected him. The degree that he has become worthless. You could have kept talking. Oh, it was.

I could have. But it's more fun to point these things out. It was the overwhelming amount of coffee that was in my bladder. Oh. Oh, is that it? I thought it was the. There and nailed it in the room. He figured it out. He's, he's been there a few times. Oh no we're on point. Oh I thought I had time, I. Was on the row and I was trying to be a polite Roland. Stop it. You know, do what Darren does. Just keep talking and talking and talking and talking until the time is up.

And I will go ahead and interrupt finally, because I've been trained. You've been trained to interrupt. Well, that's good. Yeah. Some people are too polite to interrupt, which is annoying, as well. There is that. Yeah. Don't worry. You will not have that. Are you saying Darren is in the pro room. Darren is in the room. There as that fucker needs to get home and right now. I'm sorry. I think he had to be banned from the troll. What is it?

He's playing hockey and yet he's showing up in the trial room. Very interesting. You know. We just started Grumpy Old Ben's again. I don't know that I want to start up the argue the mod argument between us again especially on your say so I mean if I had a good reason like I was in the room that needed Manning then maybe. But yes, well I just think that would be poetic justice. That's all I will say.

There was there was two topics that came up, one on no agenda social where CSB is now accusing me of being too pro-Russian. I don't remember saying anything that was pro-Russian, but I guess by talking to you that automatically makes. It makes you that you're clearly I'm pro-Putin therefore you're for abusing by the association. Law. I think just having a conversation with you makes pro-Russian by default. I that's I'm convinced that must be it.

Yeah. And she is she is one of the people that I banned. So, you know, there is that. The other topic that came up from the room and I do think this is important is big tits or small perky tits. Are for me it's small petite this big. I know. For. There you go. We found something we disagree on. Perfect. Awesome. Thank you. Draw room. Okay. Yeah. I've always been more of more of an ass, man. I like a thick with a good ass.

And my wife walks around with the big double DS going on and I probably shouldn't be doxing her, but. But she's not in the factory now, so she's probably not hearing. Clearly the only person in Seattle that has those. So, you know. I doubt it. I mean, we're in America these days and Double D is kind of a baseline for people who've had too many carbs there, huh?

Yeah. No, I just saw my ex-wife, at least back when I married, you know, I feel like now, but back when I married her, she looked like Natalie Portman. Okay, so that tells you my type. Okay, so would you do Adriana Lima? I mean, I wouldn't not do her. Well, not everybody gets to. I'm told so. Oh was always a there in line. Yeah I like I like Adrianne Curry. Is that it. Does does this person look like Adam Courier? No, no. She won America's Top model in a first season.

You know, I probably shouldn't be in this conversation because I actually would probably can't name a single porn star. I mean, don't get me wrong, I enjoy looking at porn but I'm not stopping what I'm doing at the time, not. Trying to name. Names. Oh, she's kind of cool. And what's her name? I mean, okay, there's probably girl next. Door. But it's her name. What I'm looking at. Right? Well, you don't like looking for insight. You just like the good body that you like the way I like it.

They're pretty looking. It's just daytime. I make a distinction, and you can call me shallow if you want. But if. If there is a real person in the real world that I'm interacting with, then I am going to interact with them as a person.

But if there's a porn star on a screen in front of me, then I'm going to act, interact with that as an image on the screen, which means that, yes, I'm sure that the source material for the image that I'm looking at was a human being with wants and desires and and feelings. And I don't care about any of that because I'm not interacting with that person. I'm interacting with a picture that was created from that person. And I don't have a connection to the person behind the picture.

I'm just slapping it down. It's not not really like doing the the live facial stuff. Okay. I'm not I'm not an all my fan subscriber and I don't I guess what I'm saying is that I. Don't have you know, they all have those. An emotional connection with my porn. I have an emotional connection with my wife and my cat and and well, the cat isn't involved in the porn. Not if I can help it. I forget to say you're walking down an interesting line here, but if.

There was there, there has been more than one time when especially when Growly was a kitten, where my wife and I were in the bedroom doing our thing and growly came and jumped up on my back and peeked over my shoulder and just. Joined in. Yeah, I was sitting on my back and I'm sitting here trying to ignore the fact that there's a cat on my back because of course, if I move suddenly, then claws go down. And how does that not make you laugh? Just from that. I'm doing my best to ignore this.

And he peeks over and stares and just like death stares, my wife right in the face. And as if we both had to, we cracked up and we're like, Yeah, the mood is done. We're done here. Thanks, cock block that. That's the funny everything you said in the face. Because at first, the way you were describing it, I thought she was taking. You well, but okay. Okay. Oh, I'm really trying not to describe anything more specific than most.

I get in a lot of trouble after I have this passed, but suffice it to say, you know, at least the one benefit is that once the cat has cock blocked you, at least they're very absorbent. That fur on. Honestly. I'm sure. Well, they use the cat to wipe it off. Got it. Yeah. Nice. So now that the show has been complete derailed. I don't think we ever had this topic in the show before. I've trying a new one for one thing, but the show is unrelenting so, you know, we do. I relent, I relent.

At this point. Okay. All right. I'm also going to mostly run out of the the laundry list of things that I wanted to touch on. We haven't solved anything. But unfortunately, everything that I brought, we agree on which I hate. So so what have you got? I mean, I don't think solving is ever been a part of this, though. I think it's generally just going to bringing things up. Well, apparently the price of gas in Germany is supposed to triple, which will be interesting.

Okay. I am curious to see, because it was already over $10 a gallon. My understanding is it's pretty expensive in Europe. Yeah, it was like over ten. So I, I haven't been to Germany since the birth, probably 15 years ago, 15 years ago. The price of oil is about eight bucks a gallon and I'm out of bomb. A BMW five series was doing about six miles per gallon at 155 miles an hour. Imagine That really fast consumes a lot of fuel. Yeah, which is weird because you'd think, you know, it's a German car.

It ought to be made for German roads. But they they still have an atmosphere. Germany and wind drag is a thing. Well, that may be true, but the windmills sure aren't working enough to produce enough electricity without clean selling. Enough gas to fire the windmills up to 255 miles an hour. I think that's the key factor that they never seem to mention, is that every has a gas generator. Yeah. Because otherwise they're just not producing electricity without those generators in place.

And I'm just saying, if if if the wind were actually blowing at 155 miles an hour, you'd see some real wattage out of those windmills. Oh, yeah. Well, he probably use those windmills. He'd need to design totally different windmills for that level of steam. Yeah. So. But yeah, it's, I think Germany sort of, but I, uh, I've been trying to figure out whether it's better to do a trip to Europe now. The vacation, or to wait until they're completely third world.

When I can go on vacation there and everything will be so much cheaper. Why not just go to Chicago now? Oh, well, that's a war zone, man. I don't like doing war vacations. I see. Do you want to wait until it is like maybe Detroit? Wait until it actually fully third world ices. Is that. Yeah I, I try to avoid conflict zones. Like, like I may go to Ukraine, but I'm not going to Detroit then. Well, it's safer. But dangerous. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely more dangerous there, though. It is kind of crazy.

I think that the other than the fact that nobody really seems to understand why all rah rah for Ukraine other than the US going to led the charge and they're not really enough I guess to recognize the fact that maybe, just maybe Ukraine was where the Biden family was laundering money and is now spending government money to get more money out of Ukraine into his own pocket. And like Hillary did previously with the Clinton where they it the Clinton seven fund.

Well I like the Clinton buy political access funds. I have to admit, you're on your own for this topic. I don't actually know enough about what's going on in Ukraine. And this is by design. I don't want to know. I have avoided all the news because it's halfway around the world. The things that I know is that I don't like my money being sent all the way around the world for any reason.

The amount that the Democrats are doing in America, it's is unconscionable and every one of them needs to be up again. It's over 100 billion now. You know that. They want to send 40 billion across the world instead of, oh, I don't know, spending the money to make America better. But but what's happening there? I mean, they have a government and therefore, I assume that it's corrupting. There's probably lots of corruption there.

When money flows to places, that usually means a higher level of corruption, whether it was already there or is being created. I don't anything more than that. So, you know, at the risk of further angering CSB, I'm just going to go. I don't know. Well, I'm sure that that guess. Could be construed as supporting Russia. Though probably. I mean, clearly, you know, and you're just saying you don't know and you're pretending disappears map everybody that might be that's the reality.

Yeah, maybe I'm just pretending I don't know. To troll CSB. Is that what you're saying? That sounds like the thing I do. It sounds like the kind of thing either one of us would do for CSB is is probably. And by the way, I probably should mute that tab.

It's not going to be in the main recording, but everybody in the troll room is hearing every time CSB is sending an angry rant and it pops up with a notification and I no agenda social cause I haven't muted that tab and I'm just leaving it because I want the troll room to go nuts. Many ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah, yeah. I, I think it's fascinating the fact that he hate listens to this stuff. I, it's such an interesting idea. I mean, I don't think I have any of those, so.

Well, I just, I don't know. I mean, I, I'm trying to think of I don't think there are any shows they listen to that if he's listening, I don't watch or listen to mainstream media. That would be pretty nice for. A normal, well-adjusted person who. Understands that you have better things to do with your time. Yeah, I barely have time. And I might be the first person in history to ever accuse you of being a normal, well-adjusted person. Normal? Certainly for a length of time, for quite a while.

Yeah, I'm probably that's. That's a good point. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I guess I can't, you know, I don't have the power. To not. Have the have listening. I'm not one of the blockers of, of the dream, but at least I have the power to block him and nudge in the social rights. I this is this is an argument that I've had with a number of people, and it's another place where I get a crazy amount of pushback, especially from the Meme Lords on the right, which is I never block anyone.

I don't see the point. I if if somebody is spamming, then I'll go ahead and mute because you know, at some point it actually interferes with my ability to see other content. But like if somebody says something really controversial, I have the this amazing superpower, which I guess is actually pretty rare among the population where I don't have to engage means it is so weird that, you know, somebody can say something really inflammatory and I'll be like, yeah, is an idiot.

I don't need to engage, but I don't understand. And maybe you can explain to me because yeah, apparently you're, you're a blocker and you, you and J.K. have this. I, I've kind of mentioned this, but I can I can bring it up now as well. So the difference to me between muting and blocking is a lot of people like, oh, it's just me and them. You don't want them. It's not about listening to him. I don't you know, I don't care about that. It's about not blocking, making angry.

Areas of no blocking is preventing him from seeing my content. Yeah. So who cares? That's the part that I don't want. Well, it's a punishment. Okay? Because clearly I think my content is very worthwhile. It's brilliant. And, you know. I mean, something desirable. You find and block all of their sock puppet accounts, too. And do you do you set all of your posts to not be a I don't. I don't need to I don't need to.

It's it's if they're going to the trouble of creating pocket accounts, I'm already living in their head. Rent free so it's not about then let me see if I can get to. It's not about trying to prevent them from seeing content because if you did, I'm creating. An inconvenience for them. If if your goal was they can't see your content, then you would make your posts private, or at least not available in not sure. And you would join a puppet and block them.

I don't really care if you read my content, but what I don't care about is punishing him by making it more of a pain in the ass. You'll have solved your problem. You don't have to see the trolls, but you are still like it's a vindictive thing. It's it's a. Totally, totally. Annoying thing. It's a I want to add just a little bit of of anger and and resentment to the world by being rude to somebody when there's no point at all because your life continues on as normal.

Well, as long as you can't see that content. But you need to meet. His end yet. So I want to also clarify. Vindictive person that you have to make sure that the other person suffers a little bit. Even though they only suffer if they care about my content. You do. If they don't care about what I'm doing, if they're just like a random troll, that wasn't normal, listen or watch or whatever they don't. But still you may affect them. It's only to affect somebody that wants to both be an asshole to me

and get my content. Okay. But if they don't care then they're literally has no difference between me and then. There's no difference. Totally. If they don't care. Then why not me? But again, what I want to what I want to say is the the reason for doing it. I may mute somebody if they post much, even if it's stuff I agree with. Yeah, I guess I don't want to deal with that. That's, I mean yeah. Like when, when the meme lords all decide to post snow skiing photos, all exactly the same time.

Yeah. There are certain things that just like okay too much. The only reason that I ever of BAMF people is when they have done something that personally offends me, like calling me a name or doxing me or, you know, doing something that literally is like what, even a normal human conversation in person that would make you stand up and go, We're done. All I have to do is call you a name. Well, pretty bad name, but. Yeah. Oh, my God. How dare you? And then I. This is Jean in Austin, Texas.

Yeah. Yeah. What? You can't let people know where I live. How dare you? I'm going to see your ass now. Now, just block me now. So So it's it's one of those things where it's it's no different for me online as it would be in real life if I don't want to have this conversation with this person in real life. I certainly don't want to have it online either. But I've got a pretty thick skin. I mean, that's the thing is there's tons of people that I've disagreed with and that have disagreed with me.

But if they don't get personal nasty, I don't need to block them. I don't need to mute them either. I don't mind seeing their stuff. It's Only when they go to that personal attack level that I come, I'm just I don't need it. But I would argue that there are a couple of big differences between in-person and online. For one thing, there isn't really a mute function for in-person. I mean, the best you've got here is. Yeah, exactly. But I walked. Away in person.

The mute function as you walk away and the block function as you punch him in the face. No, the black point. The function is I closed my. The. The gate to my community. I okay well we're talking different type of. Thinking. Get in here. Yeah, but I mean. That's the thing. It's like if I don't want to deal with somebody who is being personally offensive to me, there are things I can do in real life to get rid of them and the government is blocking them online.

I think that we would find a lot more civility online if it were possible to punch people in the face across the Internet. But I. Probably would. But man, do you really want to deal with enforcing those laws? I know I don't want there to be laws. I was just I want to change reality so that it's. Okay to write anarchist. Cable and punch somebody. Do you want that fully interactive VR headset that not only shows you things in 3-D, but lets you punch somebody. And they feel it?

And when is Xqc's metaverse to enable that? Yeah, it is now part of actually like you buy the whole suit, you can actually feel, you know when somebody is when you are doing online virtual boxing, when they're hitting you. There's something like that. I think it's just a mild. Electric shock, but yeah. Oh, is that all it is? You know, that sounds. Like the permanent head injury and concussion expo. Well, that's a good thing. Yeah, well, that too.

But, I mean, if you feel something, you know, probably be a little more realistic. What is that movie that said that ready player one? And that was one of them. There have been a lot of movies about virtual worlds where you log in. The thing that bugs me the most, and this is is Darren and I often go back to Star Trek because it's a shared experience for us. And I know Star Trek really well.

Why is it that so many virtual like every story that has a virtual world where you go in has always got this one rule that never made any sense to me, and this includes the Star Trek holodeck, because the first thing that all always does when it malfunctions is they disengage the safety locks, whatever the fuck that. But every single virtual world has this rule tacked on to the side. Nobody explains why it has to be that says if you die in the virtual world, you die in real life.

Like I know that has to be there for the purpose of the narrative and in order to add some level of danger, because otherwise otherwise you'd be it'd be kind of like, you know, Xbox Live or the Real World or the Internet world. It is. X-Box Live. And so. You know, I rage. Yeah, that's my yeah that's my comment is that on that is because the people that write these shows don't play video games. If they did they would realize that absolutely not only do you not die, but there's always a response.

I'm it. Yeah. And exactly. And that makes for better stories. But I guess what I'm saying is that online communities would be a hell of a lot more polite if they had the the weird rule that seems to be in all the fiction that says if you get banned from this forum, you die in real life. I would think you'd have a lot more civility on the forum, wouldn't you? More likely there would be a little bit, yes. What's that Tom Cruise movie where he every time he dies, he comes back to the same place.

Isn't that every Tom Cruise movie? Every time he thinks of his movies bomb, he just makes another one of the same plot. You know, his latest movie is the highest grossing movie ever in 100 days. They say that that people aren't giving it up. I'm saying that, well, what. Does that mean? If somebody is going to know in the war room where it's not day after tomorrow or something like that, where like. You know, net nets of thunder? No, they've it's where he is in a military thing in a near future.

And he's fighting the aliens. And then every time he gets killed, he wakes up and back. And the day before he got assigned to go on the trip to find the aliens, and then he can see. Says, edge of tomorrow. Edge, throw out. There you go. That's the Tom Cruise. So. Yeah, yes. I saw that movie I thought did a great job of portraying video games. I believe, because you first start off as a noob and you are between don't know what you're doing, just slow.

If you do know what you're doing and you're going to get killed a. Lot and gamed it and it's. Very frustrating. Designers absolutely hate this, but there's a lot of games where it is a viable strategy to chip away at a boss's health by constantly throwing your own corpse at it. Yeah. Totally. But that's a natural progression. And the second time you go through, you fix a few things that mean you'd be bad last time, and you do that incrementally.

And that follows the same process that we as humans have in real life, which is that we start off as helpless little meat bags that can get hurt really easily. But we have a drive to both compete with others like us and to play fight. And this is what we do as kids. We learn by doing in a low risk environment. No, no, no. Zero tolerance is training that out of out of human. Yeah. And it's I mean, with a lot of these things.

People are now becoming more civil because they don't want to play fight. Right, because a million years of evolution, you know, can just be turned off by a bias policy. Yes. Yeah. That's that's the brilliant who hired these people. Yeah, we did. According to the the collectivist fallacy. Yeah, exactly. I sure as hell didn't hire anybody. But I also don't have the kids in school. They they say that the people get the government that they deserve. And I always say that that's a very free speech.

And my argument is, why the fuck should I get the government that they deserve? That they deserve? Right. Well, because you're living where you are now. Let's see if collectivism and the fact that we've decided to partition. We have a geographically based the government's. Yeah. Yeah. And that's historical. That's not a new thing. That's a historical thing. So if you want to change it, then you're more than welcome. There have been a number of attempts.

I think, including by some of the guys that I know. I don't give. Directly to. The government for all of my neighbors. I just don't want to have to suffer the government that they deserve. No, I get that. But but the system you were born into, the the particular system that you were born into requires that your physical. Location. Is directly tied to your betters. I'm not arguing predestination, because predestination would mean you can't change it.

What I'm arguing for is if you want to change the conditions you have, you can't do it sitting on your ass in the same place and not doing anything about it. I'm not just sitting on my ass. I also changed my social. What else you put on? I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do. A lot of social media. I don't see anything. Did you? Do you remember the flip from Ukraine to Gay Pride Month? And then now back to Ukraine.

Every social media account that I have ever I said it once when I create the account or a few days later, and then I've left it forever. And you forget about it. I want to think about it. Yeah. That's a good way of handling, I think social media accounts in general. Yeah. If I'm not getting benefit from the social media account like, you know, useful input, then it can. I don't need to log in. Yeah, that's no I. Agree I, I don't use them. This is, I'm not doing social.

I trust me. 20 years ago when, when the internet was younger and it might have been easier to, to get out of these things, social media wasn't quite as addictive, but I made a realization many, many, many years ago, and it took a while to train myself. But what I have managed to do is I got over my FOMO and now there's a whole lot of things out there that I look at and I'm like, Nope, the marginal benefit is not worth the time investment or the energy of investment.

You know, there's there's a lot of social media that, that saps your energy, whether that be out of creating drama or just having to deal with shitty you guys or whatever. And so my energy investment of a lot of these things just isn't worth it. And so I got and I look a lot of people who are like, well, I have to use this browser or I have to watch ads because I can't use YouTube displays them.

I'm like, Well, if you can't be in, don't block ads or you can't, you know, filter out the part you don't need that people know. You want to be for it. If you have money, you're paid to not see ads. I, I just block them or actually actually my most effective way to not see YouTube ads is that mostly I just don't go to YouTube, which again, totally I'm learning after after a long personal journey of getting over my own FOMO.

What I'm getting is a hell of a lot of pushback from people saying, you know, how can you possibly stand and not log into Facebook every 15 seconds? I'm like, Well, I don't even have a Facebook account. And like, well, aren't you worried about missing out? No. And the the on what? Nothing happens on Facebook. I'm just throwing out examples. But modern social media is a huge barrage of dopamine hits that ultimately isn't giving you very much. And there's a whole lot of things out there.

You know, I don't have I don't have a wi fi enabled network that allows me to control all the lights in my house from my smartphone. Well, how come? Because I don't need it. Aren't you worried about missing out? No. I also don't have the benefit of a hacker being able to hack my smart phone and open up my front door. I just want it. They're definitely missing out on that.

I just feel like it's it's a having reached the end of a journey where I don't feel the need to touch every single shiny thing that comes across my screen. It's amazing how much pushback I get from people who still do feel that need. Yeah, well, you sound like an old man now, but yeah. I just got there. Super Boomer. Exactly.

No, it's interesting because I like one of the things I did is when I moved out of my parents house, I didn't see a need for a television and I didn't have a TV until I got married. So which was, you know, quite a while. I was like a decade after moving out of my parents house. And then I had a TV while I was married and she took the TV when we got divorced, I and I didn't get a TV after that. Now, I obviously watch YouTube and stuff and I can watch Netflix on my computer and.

I. Have a. It's connected to my Xbox so that I can watch the Xbox take updates. They go. Yeah, it's the only thing the Xbox seems to be good for anymore. But. But a lot of people can't imagine not having the ability to watch the news, to watch, to watch all this crap. And I don't understand. I mean, wouldn't you rather be doing something than watching something? Would you rather record a podcast than listen to a podcast?

I could go either way, but no, actually, I think my dad for for having helped me out immensely because he of of the generation where television he grew up, where television was novel and new and interesting. And he we even we got cable very briefly and it was connected to exactly one TV in the house and he was staring at it 24 seven And if he was watching a classic John Wayne Western, then he was watching Fox News or whatever the. Oh my God, this is great.

My dad and the beautiful thing is it caused me to do two things. First of all, it means that I grew up without having to watch TV because I didn't want to watch the same thing he did. And that was the only thing available because he was watching. Yep. But the other was I got to watch what passively sitting there watching TV did to my dad and when I don't really want to be that.

Hmm. So, and to this day, like my wife works for a cable company and we have free cable connected to the same TV as the Xbox. And I think that cable box has been unplugged for a year and a half and I just don't have any desire to look at it. Yeah. I've been getting mail from the internet provider for decades. Trying to get me to sign up for cable is like, why? Why would I ever. And one I weren't. Piped in for free. We would not have cable service in this house. And I think.

I think the last thing that I watched was the Super Bowl, not this year, but a year ago. It's probably been well over a decade since was at somebody else's. I was watching it. I mean, I can see the ads online for free. I don't. Yeah, they're. At the Super Bowl. Yeah. I mean, the ads are even the interesting part. No, they used to be though. They have some good ones only. Yep. Yeah. The advertising has gone completely downhill. I don't know.

Maybe it doesn't take much to advertise to the younger generations anymore. They know not all that hard to make ads for. So how do you usually end these shows? Usually she said the thing now usually we just like run out of stuff to talk about and it varies between 2 hours and 3 hours. Miss your heart out. Why is that? Because we'll never run out of stuff to talk about. Oh, when's the heart out? You said you had a heart out in like, a half hour. I don't know. I've got to.

Yeah, no, mine's like half an hour from now. Okay. Yeah, let's just giving you the update. I know, like I get the time zones are a new thing to you. You haven't fully figured it out. All you people in the Midwest and Texas are your clocks are always wrong. Uh, it's. It's not quite 10 a.m.. Well, next time I'll send you time and GMT. How is that? GMC You got it? GMP Yes. I don't understand. We all here's a pet peeve. Me Chevy Tahoe. I don't understand why we don't just all use GMT.

Why the hell do we need different time zones? I do, but I'm a programmer, so. Why do we need to explain to me why? Why does everyone need their own time zone instead of just saying, Oh, I get up at 1100 hours, then I to sleep? Reasons. One two reasons. One is the shared experience that the sun sets somewhere in the evening. 6 p.m., give or take an hour or two, depending on seasons.

The sun rises at 6 a.m., give or take an hour or two, depending on seasons, and the sun is near the top at local noon. People are diurnal creatures for the most part.

We like to structure our day on a 24 hour cycle where we are most active while the sun is out and therefore having the same number or independently or no matter where you are, knowing that if you change your geographical location, that now the sun is not in the top of the sky at three instead of five is helpful for human neuroplasticity or lack thereof. I don't think so. I don't think the hours are here. We go to another job, but I don't really I don't think the hours.

Are compelling than that. But go on. Okay. Well, I don't think the hours are at all tied to anything. I think they're arbitrary. I think they were literally created as a way to tell the time at the place, the devices to track. Your creator into. My second reason why we still have local time. Yeah, sure. Yeah, because. Just like Fahrenheit instead of Celsius. Time was originally created and defined relative to the local solar day.

And it was we had the concept for a very, very, very long time before we had any kind of communication systems where we could interact with a person who didn't have the same local solar reference at the same like right now I can look up and say the sun is right here in the sky in pointed direction, and you can look up and be like, No, it's much higher than that because we're far enough that that makes a difference.

But the vast majority of human history that never existed and any two people who interacted had the exact same frame of reference with regards to the sun. So it made sense for solar time to be developed from that. Why do we still do it? Inertia. Yeah. And, and this idea that everybody has to have a local time where the noon agrees with the peak of the sun just seems well, that's ridiculous. Out the window with daylight saving.

Yeah. And then like Arizona doesn't participate in daylight savings, which is good for them. And the time zones are wide enough that even if time zones made. Sense, everybody's off. Yeah. There's only a thin line of people that are right on the money. Everybody else is, actually. I mean, where. Where I am at solar noon actually happens are not quite 1:30 p.m..

Wow. There you go. Yes. Because I'm in in the Pacific Time Zone, we're on DST, which adds an hour and I'm at kind of the western edge of the Pacific Time Zone. Mm. So I think that the idea of every place needing a local time is just absurd. So I, when I played even online, which was a video game, the clock for the entire universe of, you know, on my ram GMT. And it was very convenient to set. Sure.

Or to to use GMT because no matter what time zone people logged in on, you say, hey, we're going to start a raid at 1300 and everybody what that meant. But you didn't have to. Converge at all odd hours anyway. Exactly. There's really no reason inside of that universe. And don't see daylight in general. And they don't see the daylight. Well, I'm in the Pacific Northwest. I never see the daylight either. Or I'll bet. So. So what do you care if it's noon or.

Not I'm going by the almanac to know you're. Making my point for me, man. I'm only 40. I've never seen the sun. Uh huh. Exactly. There's a general. I don't know. From a command standpoint, I think it would be much better if we just used DMT for everything and that people wouldn't be late. You wouldn't have these. Oh, I thought we were doing it on your timezone instead of our time. So I'm going to have to disagree with you. And the reason is, and it has entirely to do with is situational.

If you. Are an. Online gamer or an introvert coder or somebody who lives their entire life on Facebook, then in that case, I will agree with you, the your realm of attention is the online global world interacting with people are not local to you and therefore it GMT makes sense or actually you know so wouldn't. You prefer. GMT is off by several seconds. Let's go to UTC just to be precise. Yeah. UTC is find GMT just to see it. Just one zone. Yeah. Without a daylight savings time frames.

And normal well-adjusted human beings which we're we are running out of them because of social media. But the bulk of your attention span still occurs locally, and therefore the only frame of reference necessary for time is a local time. And for that purpose it's convenient to go with inertia and also have numbers that make sense relative locally regardless of who's the whose. Time is mostly local. My sure thousand.

When I go to the grocery store or the bank or or I, if I decided I hate myself and wanted to commute to work again, all of those interactions happen in a frame of reference that is entirely local and therefore. Surely. Trying to bring in a GMT offset to that actually complicates the interaction because if I say I go to work at 8 a.m., it doesn't matter where I am in the world that can I can put in my head I go to work at 8 a.m., I come home from work at 4 p.m..

That's right. I put in a short day whatever that that's. So listen. Please. Well I'm justifying all of this with the idea that you're still having interactions in the system. Which I don't know what people are like. I don't go to the grocery store, I don't do any of the set. I run the virtual company with people that span time zones from the Philippines to Europe. Okay. So what you're saying is that the entire world should change how they tell time because it would be more convenient for you.

It wouldn't just be more convenient for me. It would get rid of the fog that is created by an arbitrary local time zone that that really doesn't serve a purpose other than the nurse. Yes, but it would introduce a fog created by an arbitrary global time zone. You would have. Not at all, because you've got for. A lot of. Interacting interactions based on the same plot. You know, I, I go to work at 800 I'm sorry I moved to the, you know, I moved east from Washington to Texas.

Now I go to work at ten. Yeah, that's exactly how it goes because people come coming like people in the Philippines don't go to work at eight. They work on the schedule that are prescribed to them. You would based on things. No. People get adjusted. Yeah. Why inertia if I agree with inertia. But I just think it's a poor argument. That's all in that case, do you run your company on the metric system? Don't really deal with measurements, but I would if I had to. Yeah.

You know why? Why, for example, how like. Okay, how far is it? I just literally said this 15 minutes ago when you brought the topic up. It's about an hour and 20 minutes. Okay. I was expecting you to name a distance in miles, but. Oh, well, the mile mean I can calculate the miles, but that's less relevant to me than my time studying, delivering. To try to trap you into a point. And you escaped my trap, you bastard. I have no idea how many miles is it?

Is I just know how long it takes to drive. Well. What I was going to say is in America, most people still think, for example, in Miles, why don't we think in kilometers? Inertia we should. I agree yeah. And we should and this is one of my pet peeves too is when we watch space missions from the historical American companies. Right.

They're the guys that that are still in the space game and got into it back in the sixties like know they do use brick in miles when they talk about speed and Fahrenheit when they talk about temperature, whereas space uses everything metric in their data, which is much better. Okay. It's easier to understand. It's cleaner if you're interested. Do math. If you are fluent in understanding that like it's ultimately every form of measurement in units is arbitrary.

The question is, are you fluent in that, you know, well. They're they are all arbitrary, but some are created to be easier to do calculations with the. Numbers. What's the temperature in Austin right now, guy frickin Hartman? I mean, are you going to answer in Celsius or Fahrenheit? I normally you know, I can I can tell. You Fahrenheit, if it's 100 and. Celsius. Holy crap. No, it's fairly but it it's 42 in Celsius, but it's a it's hot. It's hot here. I mean they have to meet the vision.

But I think that if you're going to do math, like if you're going to say, hey, so the temperature in Austin as a difference of winter to summer like what's the range there I think will be will tell you a lot more if you say it in Celsius, then you will say in Fahrenheit because you know that in Celsius zero is where water freezes and 100 is where water boil. I don't I. That's the. Range that in the scenario where they're. In height, where the range.

Yeah. The Fahrenheit ranges at what temperature does the water freeze. That has a whole bunch of salt in it. The coldest water we can get before it freezes is. But what's, what's your zero? You're when you're out there trying to decide whether or not to warm. Let me get to the hot temperature. You know what 100 degrees is? It's is one. That's the temperature. That's the rectal temperature of a pig. That's what that's based on. That's where Fahrenheit came up with it.

It's based on inertia. I get you. I'm just. So stupid. It doesn't matter when when I think about the temperature, I'm not thinking, oh, I've got this container of water. And I need to know if it's going to boil when I step outside, which might be happening in Austin and Rome if it might. Over hauling off or freeze up. Up north. Yes. When I want to know the temperature, the vast majority of use cases for me having that number is going to be how do I want to interact with the world?

Do I want to put on a jacket? Do I want to go out and well, hang out, whatever. And these. Are arbitrary number. Numbers. I agree with the numbers are arbitrary. It doesn't matter. It's just you're just used to the Fahrenheit, as most Americans are. It is. But the advantage that Celsius brings is if it's also arbitrary, but it's an arbitrary that brings along with it easier to do math. But most people also don't care about math. Most people, if you're American, you say, how warm is it?

They say, it's 55. Okay, then I ought to take a jacket that the limit of the interaction and the number 55 means nothing. Nobody's going to do math on it. They are just comparing it to a set of internal values in their head where they go, okay, if it's less than this, then I should do this. If it's more. That is the way most people think about about temperature. Nobody is calculate, nobody is. Can I mean, why? Why bother with Celsius? Why don't we all use Kelvin?

Because the math works out a lot better because those numbers are just weird. And again, I'm going back to human nature. We all learn one way making like being in the other system. I agree. And I hate to say that because we've been too much of that on this, but being in the metric system or being on everybody on UTC would be better. I agree. Transitioning would be fucking chaos. Yeah. I totally agree that transitioning would be a chaos. But so so the.

Question with it was I wish it was a transition. Okay. So I'm saying we're we're back to altering reality and changing 100 million years of human evolution. Except it wasn't hundred million years. It's how long have we been using these measurement systems? It have an end, but I think there's an advantage here. Like I think there's an advantage both by using UTC and maybe it's not enough advantage to, you know, push back against inertia. Clearly not in the U.S.

Same thing with using the metric system as an advantage versus using the imperial system, which in the UK doesn't use anymore. You know, I, I just think that inertia is a very conservative argument that doesn't really have a rational, it just says I'm too lazy to make things easier for the next. Generation rational basis. And that is that we as a society, we okay whatever up me I think there is a value consideration being made.

What is the benefit of being on the other system versus the disadvantages of trying to make the transition? And for the vast majority of people, for the vast majority of scenarios, there is not enough benefit to being on the new system to justify the amount of effort and energy that must be expended to make the transition that is the rational argument.

And and by the way, I. Think you're right now you're making literally the same argument that politicians use every single day as to why they have to do things, because the rest of the society is too stupid. And if they're not forced to make changes, they will just stay where they are. And that's that's the argument that the politicians are using to justify what they're doing.

That the if if the transition is too difficult, that the status quo is acceptable as long as the difference between the states is is not enough. And by the way, with regard who. Gets to decide whether it's enough.

Regards to time zones and measurements and things, the solution and this this could be a long solution is that for the people who need to have the advantage of the other system, whether it be you need to measure your things in in Celsius or kilometers or you need your time zone, those people learn because humans are capable of learning individuals that how to operate in both time zones simultaneously, for example. Right.

Here's an example on every clock that I have control over, I set them to 24 hour mode. So half the time when somebody asks me, you know, especially if I want to be snarky or just don't care, they're like, Oh yeah. Interim 24 hour time. And this melts people's brains because inertia, because they're used to the other. It's kind of the same as if you went to a UTC clock be like, well what time is it? Well, right now it's about 1708, right? If I got my math right, yeah, I think I'm going.

To nine in mind. But yeah, but I mean I have a UTC clock in front of me, but that's just because it's me and. Well, and I guess what I'm saying is if, if it isn't. For a military to. Understand or to, to take advantage of the new system, then you learn that system and the one everyone uses. And eventually, if enough people reach that point, the transition becomes smooth because it'll flip flop.

And yeah, you brought in politics thing that really annoys the piss out of me with regards to making shifts like that. And this is one of the sources of my biggest rant about electric cars that you'll see on every technology show I ever do is that if politicians, authoritarians will come out and say This transition needs happen and therefore we need to try to force it and punish people and incentivize this and change this. And in every case. Double your. Death, standard consequences.

And you're going to do it very with more destruction and chaos when if you just let it happen naturally, you know, if if there were no rules requiring electric cars and we allowed the technology to develop at its own pace, it might take a little bit longer to get there, but it would be by no rules. You mean no subsidies? Yeah, well, no subsidies. No, no restrictions. No, no gas. Fuel. I you know, requirements.

If you took all of that away, it might take ten more years to get to a point where we just flip and everybody's using electric cars, but the grid will have to have a developer up to. So yeah. Yeah. No. Again I mean that's got them. I totally agree. I never got an electric car because I'm green. I got one because it's fun. It's and I enjoy an electric car because it accelerates fast and and super cheap to run. Our stop every 200 miles in on your road trips as.

Well. No, mine was just over 100 miles. About 120 miles. Yeah, but but I've always had several cars. So for me was one of the cars that I could tour around the city. And here's the other benefit was finding parking was super easy because you have all these parking spots right next to handicap. They're for electric cars. Only again because somebody decided that electric cars are good. You're taking advantage of the system. Somebody decided that electric cars are good and put out restrictions.

That said, gas vehicles are not allowed to park here. Well, things. Like that evolved because of of consumer demand, which is is the right way to do it, because it's a minimum of chaos. And it it results in all of the proper infrastructure going into place. I mean, well, they used to have those pregnant women parking spaces, but thankfully they got rid of those for the electric car ones now. So now I can actually I mean.

How about the how well does your car charge when ERCOT shuts off your power because their infrastructure is shit. Yeah. Oh, yeah, totally that. Now, knock on wood, they haven't really cut it off lately, but I mean, I have a generator obviously. You're going to use the generator to charge your electric car. Are you going to expend fossil fuels to charge your electric? I don't care. About fossil fuel. I keep saying this like the electric car is not about saving the planet.

You're fun to drive. You know that. I'm not agreeing at all. I mean, I think, you know, actually, I am dreaming because I think nuclear energy is the best form of energy. And I think if we can move to a. Nuclear. Only model. Was proposed, I would. Be fully in favor of that only by people that are math and science majors. Is that how it is? Uh huh. Good thing I'm not in college anymore. I don't have a major.

Yeah, now it's a this is this is all inside baseball still that's going on right now for anybody listening who's going what are they talking about? It's a reference to my other podcast and my other co-host found the other way. He uses the word nuclear. Now, the other other of yes bang did the impending ban who denounces the word nuclear as nuclear. He, I guess, grew up around George W Bush and learned from him. I guess. Maybe that's a yeah, I can't. Think of any other reason.

But he is also, you know, mentioned a number of times that he was a math and science major and he's very versed and answered, of course, that means I have to make fun of that all the time. Works for me. Yeah. So I don't don't look at me. I've got a of arts. Yeah. I mean I'm a philosophy major so. Admittedly it's a bachelor of Arts and computer science. Go figure that one out. But I do have probably the worst kind computer, in fact.

That that that has always been one of my favorite is was the school had this birds chirping now. You have birds chirping there. Yeah. There's crows outside getting really cranky. Yeah, I can hear them. Hear that? Hmm. Yeah. Okay. Fuck your noise. Get good ears. Yeah, well he's good ears and apparently is getting passed. Yeah, apparently. Oh. When, when people ask me like, why do you have a Bachelor of Arts? There's this this came up in a lot of interviews.

And the reason was that the school was just starting to turn really liberal and they wanted everybody to have an equal chance. And the Bachelor of Science, the requirements were too horrible. You had to have, you know, a couple of classes in physics in a couple classes, a lot more classes in math. And they were like, well, some people just held three babies without understanding math, which is a

horrible idea. Right. But I got to the end and they said, Well, what's the difference between a Bachelor of Arts and a Bachelor of Science? Well, I would have had to stay in college one more semester. So that's the difference. Yeah. Now, I've been back then. A lot of colleges were just starting down the path. The Wokeism. Yeah. I'm glad that I escaped the college system and the public school system when I did. Yeah, because the people, people younger than me. I'm sorry you guys got so screwed.

Totally. Totally. You know, as a kid, your parents basically said, be home before it gets dark. And I was out on my bicycle riding around, you know, 15, 20 miles away from home, hanging out with friends, doing all kinds of Flanagan's. And as long as I'm home, you know, for dinner, which usually was the case or certainly before dark, or use a payphone to call and say, hey, can you come and pick me up? Because I'm way the fact I was here and I'm too tired to ride my bike.

So I had the same experience. But in defense of of a lot of the parents today, you know, back when I was young and riding my bike all over the damn place and they just said, be home before dark, I wasn't trying to ride my bike back and forth in between tents of homeless people who were half passed out with needles still stuck in their arms.

Oh, that's definitely not something I saw when I was a. Kid, and it's not something that I saw when I was a kid, but it's if I were to go out now right, now, I would probably encounter that. Yeah, I would not do it right now. Well, that's one of your. Among other reasons. Exactly, because. You're sitting there in front of a clock with 24 hour time. Yes, we're. Anyway, I think we're done. And you know what? It's 5:00 somewhere. It shouldn't be, but it probably is. It's probably 5 p.m. in fact.

It's it's after 5 p.m. UTC now I have something for you. Although technically it it's not it's 1718 because the is 24 hour time. But yes. This is this is a great intro. We agreed on everything and then we aren't fucked each other. Honestly, I think this could be this could be a thing. This could be a podcast. I, I think people would listen to this. I think I think people are let me let me do the magic. Magic. Adam C 89 on the in the troll room. What? No way. That's more than ever. Listen.

Well, that's because they they get too much of Darren already. They Darren is kind of spread thin. And I believe the, the from GCD is that he's diluting his brand. Oh even so that. Wow. Okay. Yes, Darren. Darren. Totally true. Posted on any s about look here's the 13 different shows that I do please listen to that Jason D came back with you're really diluting your brand.

Well Jeff reputation now because for a while there it seemed like he was in every magazine that was published in the early 1980s on computers, at least. Now. Yes. Well, we didn't get to talk about joysticks or my thing with Star Citizen or any of the other topics. But we'll definitely have to do this again some point, maybe. Well, if you can if you can send people to Darren's house to break his AC more often, we can do this.

Well, yes. Yes. And if you're ever in need of a co-host or a replacement host on your show, let me know as well. Okay? Well. Oh, there people are waiting for pod 2.0. That's right. If we keep going, we're going to bump right into podcasting 2.0. We should quit. Okay, let's quit while we're have a. Head behind them. Okay. Why don't I cut off the recording of your. We might have lost member of.