202: The Other Woman

know who I am? Anyway? Wow, Today we're talking about episode two O two, Yes, The Other Woman, which aired on October fourth in twenty twelve, written by Heather Mitchell and directed by Stephen Crag. Yes. Yes, and the guest star list is but we got to name it because here on the Scandal Rewatch podcast we respect our guest stars. Yes, because they're usually like pretty freaking amazing. Yeah. I mean the first, main, big one is Lorraine Toussaint, who plays

Nancy Drake, who is just a wonderful actor. She's she's one of those people that when you see her face, so you see her in one thing, you're like, oh my god, I've seen her in a thousand things, like she's in so much, she's a she's from Trinidad. Nice fun fact. Yeah, nice fun fact there. But yeah, she's amazing. And then we got a lease Neil and John deal dial How do you say that? Maybe we'll just give it a deal? Dial Dial Deal, John Deal, Dial deal.

We got Leslie great and John Deal played ray Dwire. Who's Lindsay Dwyer's dad? Oh that I watched this episode and now we're starting to get into the part of the Scanal Rewatch podcast on packing the Toolbox where I don't remember shooting that. No, really, I distinctly remember standing with you outside of that motel. I remember that later in the episode. Yes, we'll talk about I do not remember shooting the scene with the dad. No, no, no, do you remember Do you remember the lady staring at

Quinn at Lindsay Dwyer? Yo? I wish we could have gotten her name and given her a shout out because homegirl is so freaking good and committed and annoying. Oh, she's just perfect for the role. How dare this Molotov mistress a bitch? Come and sit in and have a fucking coffee? In our small at a looma California town, with her omelet on her plate that she never touches. I wrote in my notes, is it a wig or not a wig? Not a wig? It's not a wig. I do kind of remember that woman. The other people

we have is Leslie. Leslie Grossman is Lisa, who's the DC Corner. She was amazing. Mark Espinoza's Chairman of Joint Chiefs. Greg Henry is Hollis Doyle. Deborah Mooney is Verna Thornton, who is constant recurring. Wendy Davis is Kimberly Mitchellson McMurray is the US attorney Pat Wexler. Joe Holt, who's a friend of mine, a Secretary of Defense Virginia Louise Smith as Secretary of State. J Jackson is local anchor. If y'all don't remember this episode, let's just jog ye old memory,

Ye old memory. Olivia has to deal with the ramifications of Quinn's jaw dropping court verdict as Abby continues to press Olivia for answers and Quinn takes a trip back home. The firm represents the widow of a very prominent pastor who had a secret life with his mistress and son. Olivia works on striking a deal to keep Pastor Drake's other life a secret before the funeral. Meanwhile, in the White House, Cyrus and Fitz deal with a foreign policy

emergency that was potentially fabricated by the CIA. What the hell, dude, that was stupendous. I also think your scandal pace is always so good because I understand what you're saying, like you're putting the inflection on the correct word. Listen, I thank you, But I always understand your scandal pace. So anyway, I have to admit sometimes I'm just not smart enough for this show. And all of the CIA fabrication of what was going on, I was like, wait, hold up,

he me twine they do that? I was like, Yo, I know, shit is corruptle, What the hell are they just making a fucking photo of jed children in Sudan? Is it because the dude that did it? What is he? The head of the CIA? Is it because he's he wants the president to go to war and he's a Republican and he wants me? I don't know. I was confused too. Well. Let it be known here that Garm and I on this rewatch podcast. We don't completely understand what's going on, which listen, listen. I feel like a

lot of the audience, our listeners will understand. And it's okay because this show has so much in it that

it doesn't matters. Yes, But also, Katie, do you remember ever being on set like and I'd be like, I know me mostly I'd be like, Katie, I don't know what's happening, Like, what's happening on the show, because yes, I remember we see the start of this episode that Olivia and the President have started this relationship where they're like old school fucking late night phone calls, yeah, where they're just like talking about their life and Olivia's in

bed and she's like it can't keep teaking calls from my married ex boyfriend. Yes, yeah, which is so cute. I think it's like so normal. Yeah, weird to see them like normal. Like they're not at a white House dinner, they're not like on the trail, they're not doing any of those things. They're literally just like talking on the phone yea gossiping, right, They're just like like telling each other's shit from their day and stuff. Yeah. It's okay, you know for those of those of us who were

a little on the older side. That's the way we used to chat with our with the people we were seeing or dating or whatever. You'd be on the phone for freaking hours. Oh my god, Yeah, my parents got me. I mean, this is some boogie ass fucking white privilege shit right here. My parents were my sixteenth birthday, I

think got me my own phone line. I got my own fucking line because I think my parents found out that it was like twenty five more cents, like a fucking hour or whatever if they just gave me my own phone, because I was clogging that ship up, Like I was on the phone all day with bitches and fucking night boyfriends. Like oh yeah, that's the way it went down. Yeah yeah, Dearmo, you didn't have your own line,

noll No. We had one phone hanging in the hallway of our New York City Washington Heights apartment with a chord. The only time it got bougie for us is when my parents are like, We're like, we're going to buy a longer core. I'd walk into like the bathroom and close the door in the kitchen. You'd have to hawk is a aa yep. I think this is the first time, right Katie, that we see him. Yeah, I think this is the first time we see you Hawk in AA. Yeah.

I remember shooting the scene the AA scene because it was like just a few blocks away from Sante Gower, which is where the stage is where we shot Scandal, and it was like in the basement of a church, if I'm not mistaken, and it was really cool. And also, you know, I was gonna I was gonna say too, I have a sort of a history with A because my ex used to be in A But I used to go to the meetings with him. And I'm not an alcoholic. Well maybe i am, but no, just a

little bit. But I don't have a problem, no disrespect with you. I no, no, no, no no. But you have a personal relationship to being a Alana. Yeah yeah, right, right, right right. But I used to go to the meetings and get so much out of them, like I really enjoyed because it's all about you know, very spiritual, yes, and lifting the person up and giving them encouragement. It was it was wonderful and I really got a lot

out of it. Those rooms are really really special and so for you to get to stand there and talk about fucking killing people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well that's why I thought about me going to the meetings, because I would go. But it wasn't about having an addiction. It was I was just getting a lot more out of it just for life in general. And so so huck Is doesn't have an alcohol problem either, He's going because he's you know, whiskey represents him killing people and torturing people.

So I wonder if they would have done like a like coverage of like with the people in the meeting, like what the fuck is this guy talking about? Because he's like, I'm really good at drinking whist. I don't think they ever flip it around. They never flip around, No, no, trist Yeah, but it was so interesting. Oh no, it totally works. I actually I've never even realized it until

you just said that. Yeah, Quinn is being a stupid bid bitch in Olivia's apartment and I'm like so mad, and so like, why is it anyone telling me anything? Everyone messed up my life and no one's telling me why. And um, I mean, I don't know if other people got that out of my performance, but I definitely felt like nails on a chalkboard watching I think people felt Winn's frustration, right. I love this sheet her line to

Olivia's like I got more sleep in prison. Oh, they like tossed that away into a pillow because I doubt my acting choice was at all good. Now I wasn't in these scenes. But the episode features like the America's pastor, Pastor Drake, who's incredible and obviously had this like very public beautiful marriage to Lorraine Twusn's character Nancy Drake, but the whole time, for fifteen years, he's been shipping this

other woman named Anna Gordon. But you find the episode in like a classic Olivia Pope o pa handling the situation where the wife calls they can't find Pastor Drake.

You guys get led to a camera across the street from the hay Adams Hotel, and you are in the hotel and you hear like a whir and they open the door and they find Pastor Drake on top o top of his mistress and she's handcuffed to the bed, and no one knows it first until Huk kind of runs in and checks and knows, like right away the guy's been dead and she's been like stuck under there because the bro was like, yeah, home was a big boy.

What I found so amusing was watching the episode and the first thing that happens is huck rushes in checks his pulse and he's like he's been dead for seven hours. Whatever the funk I said, And then Abby says something in Olivia, and then there's a moment we're all just standing there like, m what do we do now? And the whole time watching the episode, I was like, this girl is stuck under this large as man and nobody's like, there was no nobody in rush to be like, They're

just like, dude, to do I didn't. I'm gonna have to go back and wash up because I did not catch that at all. I love the part of this scene is this this This is the scene where she's like, what do you need to do to get rid of the body? And you're like and You're like, you're like lusty. You're like lusty, like describing all the tools in which you would need to dispose of a body this big, and she yes, I mean to just move the body. Oh yeah, oh well then just like and your body

some sheets, yeah or whatever. You're like, you're so psyched that you were going to cut this dude up. Yeah, but he's also super embarrassed, I think is he's like, oh my god. They're like, oh my god, I'm so fucked up. Yeah, Like clearly you clearly Huck knows he has a problem because you're going to aa so like you know that things are a rye in your mental health. Yeah, and he could feel himself, you know, slipping, yeah, and going closer to the dark side. But yeah, that that

was such a great mind. Olivia's look to hook is like, motherfucker. I was talking about moving him, not chopping him up.

So good, so good, but she's also like, you know, like there's the fright in her face, like, oh my god, this motherfucker was ready to talk him up in the midst of this whole um montage about moving his body because their goal is to like clean up the scene, which is super illegal, and to get that body back to in bed where he would live, like I mean, so that they can sort of stage it, like keeping

his rep clean. That like if he's not found with the hooker, but he's found that he just like had a heart attack in bed, that it would be much better for his look and his wife's reputation and his legacy and all of that. But in the midst of all these scenes, there's such a great scene between Dan and Jeff oh so much, where he's yes, I hate that I married a Republican. Yes, I want a baby, a fat one, a smushy one. Yes, it seems so cute.

Oh it's so good. You know. I wrote down in my notes that they they fight like a real couple. I mean, because we see couples on TV all the time, and sometimes, you know, you kind of get the chemistry. Sometimes you don't. But I feel like, um, like Dan and Jeff, like their chemistry was fire from the beginning, like they just it just clicked. But also Jeff, Jeff and Dan. I was gonna say Jeff because Jeff is

a you know, as a straight man. He's married to Linda Lowey, who was our casting director, and um, but he Jeff is such an amazing, fucking skilled Like he's one of those actors that just is no joke. He's a genius. So I knew he was going to approach this gay character with you know, just complete completely embracing it and being as real as possible and not having any hang ups about it. And that comes across, you know what I mean, Like they really come across as

a real couple. They totally do. And I think I think when we have a mom will have to ask him. But I'm pretty sure he's played gay characters multiple times in his sure. I think, yeah, I think he's played that, like from his early twenties on. I think what's probably weirdest for them is that, and I can't wait to ask them about this, is that Jeff and Dan have been real life friends for like town of years. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm sure that do with that.

It would be weird if you were a girl too, But like they have to make out, you know what I mean, Like like Linda cast Don Ruth. Dan Bougatinski's husband, Don Ruth is a big screenwriter and Linda cast his movies like twenty years ago. They've all four been friends for a very long time. Wow. And so I think it was probably weirder than anything that, like Jeff, I'm gonna have to make up with like a dear friend of mine, you know, more than anything else. Oh, okay,

what about this part? Who was it in the script that all the OPA people use the same deodorant. Oh my god, I wrote notes on that too, right. I think they were trying to give the feeling on the show that obviously they've been up all night and moving this guy and they're probably sweating, and they're all passing this deodorant. It's such an odd but like such an odd but interesting moment. Yeah. Yes, and you're the only one.

Huck is the only one that doesn't his dirty ass, and he's probably the one that needs it the most. I was like, what do you what are you doing? Like, put that ship under your arms. It's secret. We all know how strong secret is. It won't pick up this skankass ship from one person's arms another, Like I feel like it's a secret magic about secret that like you're gonna be fine, that is. I just loved it, Like I thought it was so fulfilial and like we've been

up all night and we have no fucking boundaries. Yeah, and there's no I love it. No one's even commenting on this, like like, oh, it's just like happening while you're working on the case. Yeah. And then we get to oh I think this is when Quinn goes this here. Oh no, you come and you realize I'm gone and I Quinn goes to see your dad, which I don't remember shooting this scene. I don't remember this scene. John John Deal Deal Dal Deal Dal Deal. Um, he's a

fucking dope actor. I love him. I love this. Oh yeah, he's been a ton of stuff. I looked up. I looked him up on IMDb and IMDb and he's done over one hundred and thirty one hundred and forty films and TV shows. Yeah, way, yeah. Some of his credits are escaped from New York. Me up, what's my number? I haven't, but I'm going to write right after we finish the podcast. Number is a shit. But in the meantime, John Deal Deal Dal Deal, Dude Dial. He was an escape from the Orc. He was in Miami Vice, The

Outer Limits, X Files. Yeah. Anyway, he's been in a ton of stuff and he was He's really great in the episode you Know what's slowly coming back for me, which is making me sad. What is I kind of remember vaguely him saying like, oh, this is so great. I get cast as your dad. They're going to be bringing me back a lot. You're so many, Katie, I feel like so many actors and even me. I remember saying that to some actors, like when they were casts, like a cut's girlfriend. I'd be like, oh my god,

this is awesome. You're for sure coming back. And then I'd be like, oh, they killed this bitch off. Oh good, Well, all your girlfriends had a pretty long run. You know. Actors are so like, we have to be nomadic. That's how it is. It's it's actually like unheard of to stay in any one job for a long time, which was why Scandal is such a unicorn. Yeah, but most of the time that's not our story, and we go

where the wind takes us. I mean, I've been cut out of so much fucking shit, and everyone has their story of like they've been fired, and then there's like amazing miracle stories like Bellamy Young, who I think was always to do like three episodes in season one or something. Yeah, So you know, there's like ups and downs and it is what it is. But I do remember the dad being like, oh man, I think they're gonna call me back,

and I'm just like, fuck man, no, I don't. I don't remember what I said, but probably not something that made him feel any better. Um, go get a snack. And we'll be right back. Okay. Then what happens Guerremo? Well, how goes to check on Quinn? Is the next thing that I have that sort of happens, right, yes, right. Olivia's like, go check on Quinn because she was a little bit jumpy this morning when you said Aslee better in prison, all that stuff. Stuff to check on Quinn.

She's nowhere to be found. Yep, because I went to Petaluma, California to visit my daddy to try to get back to them in my normal life. We're ready at the point where you're meeting up with your dad and and Huck somehow miraculously shows up there and Quinn's like, what the hell are you doing here? Like? Can I not go anywhere without you? People like following me. I kind of remember shooting that. I feel like I have photos

of that day that I have to find, right. But Huck's like, you have such a beautiful monologue to me. But we're at some like Motel six where I feel like, my god, you and I shot there like a thousand times. I don't know why you kind of shot the season one when you like abducted me and you had to, like I feel like you had to like throw me over your shoulder, and I was like, I am so sorry.

Was that in season? Was that season one? Yeah? Maybe it was when they do the flashback and like somebody's like watching, Yeah, I think maybe even Susie Poorfar's characters like standing outside of the motel and you see like Huck take me away, and yes, I kind of remember vaguely me being like, oh my god, I can't believe you have to haul me over your fucking shoulder. Like that was not safe. It doesn't matter how heavy or light you are, that sh is not safe, not good

for a body. Okay, so you come and we have this awesome scene at the motel where Huck is like overcoming shoulders and he's like, this is where they took you. And I'm like, something's I don't know what are you talking about? Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah that's what I say, what are you talking And you say, no, this is where they took you. Yeah. Seven people might have been blown up that day in Citron, but it wasn't seven. It was really eight eight that died. Yeah. I remember

shooting that scene Katie, and it was so hot. We're shooting it in Hollywood a few blocks I think it was a few blocks away from Sunset Gower. Again, it was, yeah, that little sketchy as these motels for us on suns Of Boulevard, where these little rent by the hour pieces of ship. But it was so hot outside and they war Job came to me with a jacket and I remember being like, what you want me to put on this jacket and they were like, yeah, you gotta wear

the jacket. And I remember just being so upset and I fought back and forth. I was like, but he could have left it in the car all that, and they were like, no, you gotta put on the jacket. We always did that shit where we would try to talk to them and like I don't need a bag. I don't need a bag. I have my shit in my pockets, and they like, you have to wear a bag. Yeah,

I don't need a jacket. Quinn ran out of Opa, she doesn't need a jacket and they're like, it is put your jacket on in DC and no one will believe it unless there's a fucking Wolpee coat on you exactly. But it was such a great Yeah, that was a really really sweet scene. And then and then he hands her a coffee and then they you know, and then they cut to the next scene. I loved it. In

this episode, um quinn is saying goodbye to Lindsay Dwyer. Right. Yeah, it's either like you accept this new life and this new identity and jump both feet into working at OPA and stopping a little bit stop looking back, yeah, or like leave but like you can't. This life that you're running back to try to get doesn't exist anymore. Yeah. I was watching the show too and looking at that scene and thinking if this was me Gearmo, who they had done that too, I would be like help me.

I'd be like like a big old sobbing like mess, like please, somebody put me in a hospital. I can't like stranger thing, I would think. I'd be like, what alternate reality plane of existence? Are you telling me that I'm not the person I was? And here's my new fucking identity. His boyfriend's been murdered and I've been in a part of a huge fucking trial and I miraculously got off, Like yeah, no one's telling me anything, like

it's insane. Yeah. The next scene that I think is is jumping to like the what makes this episode so great? Is Um where Huck says, let's go home, and you see sort of accept like my new home is Opa,

and my new home is the identity of Quinn Perkins. Yes, Um, Livin Fits are talking on the phone about Pastor Drake and there this is where we get into that thing we were talking about of it just being like normal and they're just like on their phone and they're hysterical laughing because she confides and Fits about how Pastor Drake actually died. Yeah, yeah, he was kinky, and and they're

like hysterical and it's so cute. But like the scene totally takes a turn because Olivia is realizing through this episode that she is the mistress. Like the whole episode is the parallel between Lorraine Tucson is Nancy Drake being Mellie and Elise Neil Is is is Anna Gordon being Olivia. Like Olivia will never get the twenty Christmases that Mellie gets to be with. She'll never have Fits his babies, She'll never She'll always be the mistress, you know what

I mean. Yeah, And Olivia's sort of realizing it unfold She's watching you know, her sort of experience unfolding in like the case of the week. It's like mirroring her experience. It's so cool, and she screams at him, I want you to cancel the autopsy. That's what I want. I know. It goes from them cracking up and like being like all cute see with each other, to her like flipping out and being like, yeah, this is what I want and just screaming her fucking head off. Fits is whipped

because he does it. He makes it happen. He gives Olivia what she wants, and he just did it in the episode before, Yeah, doesn't he because he lets Quinn. He's the reason why, you know, when Quinn's entire case just gets sort of shelved and David Rosen jumps up and he's like, what the hell and only the way that Josh Molina can um, But you realize, like she keeps getting into deep doodoo, but she knows she can

because she can always fucking call the bad phone. Yeah, and I think she knows that she's got him wrapped around her little finger, like she she knows, she knows he's gon to do what she says, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Um.

Lorraine Tousson has that most amazing scene with Mellie. Lorraine Touissant's character Nancy Drake is supposed to have this like sit down for the press with Mellie about the America's pastor passing away, and she's taken some shit, which looked so fun right in that scene when Olivia's looking at her, he's kind of like, what did you take something? She's like, yeah, Zanna, I don't know what she's or something. Oh god, that's reason I want sive right now. And Olivia's like, we'll

take some coffee. And then Mellie sits down and she's like, my wife, my husband was cheating on me and wait, wait what did you say? And Mellie's like, give us the room. I just think we need a private moment to pray. Yeah, and then there's amazing monologues where like, of course, I mean, Scott Scandal television does not get monologues too for gladiators listening, Like every TV show that G and I've been on, which is a lot, monologues

are a theatrical theater vehicle. They're not in TV. So to be on Scandal where people got I mean, Jeff Perry's character fits his character Olivia huck Joe Morton. Everybody got beautiful monologues, and they trusted the actors to be able to hold the screen like for minutes alone, like not popping back and forth around between people. It's just like like mouthwatering monologues like we would. I remember always being so excited when we would get our monologues. I

mean we'd be sort of scared. In the beginning. We were like, oh my god, it's so many words. But then it was like reciting us soliloquy. It was just so so good. It was so satisfying to to say the words. But also in this scene, I'm glad they didn't go for like the cookie cutter sort of angle. Before we see Melly consoling missus Drake, Olivia is telling Missus Drake just say thank you. Just say thank you to everybody, just you know, just look them and say

thank you. But in that moment, Loring Toussan's character tells Mellie he was cheating on me or whatever she says. It's real, Like that's real life. I feel like that's what a woman would do in that moment and be like, fuck that shit, he was cheating on me, the freaking cheater. It was just such a real moment. It snaps you out of show for a second because you're like, oh shit, like this is she's telling her the truth. It's so good, it's so juicy, it's so great, it's so good those

two ladies are. They're so fucking good together. And who better to console like right for missus Drake than Mellie, who is you know, experiencing the same thing with Olivia and her husband. Yeah, and then I wrote down David Rosen gets canned. M he sure does. Oh god, we are about to embark on season two should just be called let's shot on David Rosen the entire season which guys gladiators, Let's get humped. This guy gets fucked not in a good way, right and left, Like this guy

gets fired. Dead body shows up in his bed scared. Yes, people are hunting him down. He's us It is a mess his life. This is the beginning of the worst shit ever for this guy. So let's put a pause on that. Yeah, and also, just real quick, the gentleman who fires David Rosen. The actor's name is Sam McMurray, who is another I think Katie. When I looked him up, he had like one hundred and ninety nine credits, film credits, and TV credits. Yes, and I've done two things with him.

I did a show called United We Fall with him, and I did a movie called Second Serve with him. He's all. He was also in Adams Family Values, he was on The Golden Girls, he was on Miami Vice. Yes. Anyway, this actor is amazing. His name is Sam McMurray. He's one of those I've never known him. I didn't work with him on the Skin of but when I watched this, I was like, oh my god, that dude. He's one

of those dudes that has literally been in fucking everything. Yes, yes, um, okay, that's There's an emotional scene in the episode where the wife grabs the mistress and her son and takes everybody goes up to the caskets to say goodbye to Pastor Drake, and it's so listen emotional and great. It's I don't know if Mercury is in retrograde this month, but I

fucking sobbed again watching this episode. In that moment when she grabs her out of the pew and she's like come like she grabs her and like pulls it like like tugs in her closest man and we are going to say goodbye to him and bury him. Oh my gosh, oh so good. And can we talk for a second about Elise Neil. Elise Neil was in Screen Too, directed by Wes Craven. She played She played one of the friends, one of Sydney's friends in the beginning of the film,

and then I believe she gets murdered. I have to go back and watch it. But also, um scream. She's in Scream two. And Scott Foley is actually in Scream three. Why he's the killer in Scream three. Yes, see, I don't watch horror movies because I'm terrified and hate them and so scared. Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, Scream three.

That scene is beautiful, Yes, beautiful, And they follow it up with an amazing another great scene between Mellie and Fits where they're in the limo and Mellie is just like, you have to forgive me, you have to forgive me, you have to forgive me, like because they're like our friend of ours just died, like either of us could die tomorrow. And he's like, I forgive you, and they kiss, but then they as soon as they sort of kiss and hug, not a real kiss, it's like a peck yeah,

and like a quick hug. And then they move back apart to the opposite sides of the windows in the in the limo, and it's like, my god, these people are so fucking broken. Well, mostly Fits, right, Fits is kind of the one. He's like holding your and telling me I forgive you, and then he goes back to his paperwork and he's like, hello, Yeah, She's like this relationship is fucked. Oh and she's pregnant. And she's pregnant Katie. This is one of those moments which I'm embarrassed to say.

I was like, what is she asking him to forgive her for? I know? Is it because just all the does he know about He doesn't know about Cytron and all that stuff yet, right, No, but she well, well she knows because she rigged the election, right, she knows

about that. He This is what happened. They're starting this season two storyline where they're trying to push Fits into a war that it seems like he doesn't want in Sudan, and somebody mocks up even goes so far as to like mock up of photo in this episode of Sudanese children who have been like murdered, and everyone's pushing for this war, and even Mellie makes a play to push him into war, and he is like, fuck you, you

can't fucking do that. But Mellie, because she's a political animal, she's always also angling for like what she wants the presidency to be doing and which they want to make and so when she's asking for forgiveness, she's like, I overstepped. I overstepped. I'm sorry, Please forgive me. What happened to us? What happened to us? We used to just be like a little couple that like had sex in like our one bedroom apartment. And he's like, I forgive you. And then he's like, but I don't like you. But I

don't like you. I don't like your ass um We end we're starting to end the episode with you have your I go back to my AA meeting where it's a yeah. And now the difference in the episode is because Kerry just Olivia just worked on this case and she sees that the mistress never really gets shit when Fitz keeps trying to call her and call her and call her for their usually nightly phone sex. Hang, she

don't pick up you don't pick up that phone. And then we moved to a scene where Jeff Perry is like, no, no, you can't have a baby because I have a baby and his name is Fitzgerald. He's a little baby bitch. And then they fuck and then Dan is like, whoa that turns me on? Yeah, power Cyrus is so hot? Yeah right or something like that. Is it an from a gay man's point of view? Do you think in their relationship that it is clear who's top and whose bottom? No,

it's not. I was thinking about that too. I was like, who's the top? Sometimes it's the unexpected one sometime, so I would say, yeah, where you're like, oh shit, James is the top. That's the feeling I got. Yeah, yeah, yeah, seeing that Cyrus was a bottom, Yes, But you just blew my mind because I would think stereotypically being a boring breeder as I am myself, and they listen, if it wasn't for a couple of breeders, none of our should we even be here anymore? I don't know, but listen.

I watched that scene and I'm like, okay, Like, obviously Cyrus is a power top and Dan is a bottom, but there's also explained to people you can also be in a relationship where people switch no of course, yeah yeah, yeah, and relationships where you know, intercourse, like you know, fucking is not even a thing you do. There's so many, you know, ton of other stuff jobs all day, all

night exactly. Yeah, give a handy blow job, sir. We're both talking like a little bit hesitantly because we don't know how fun if this was me and Katie, like at my house or at her house, we'll be like, my god, we might get there in the podcast, we might. Can you hit us up and let us know how interested you are in hearing real dirty shit out of our mouth or is it, like you know what, Let's keep this a little bit scandal style, which is like

a ten PM, not like a one am exactly. Go get a snack, take a crap, and come right back. Verna Thornton we meet her in this episode. Debor Mooney is such fucking actress and we get so much of Debor Mooney this season. This is just the beginning. This is the beginning for her. Yeah, and she's amazing and we have to have her on, especially for the episode where she Um, well, I don't know who's got that episode is so important. We're not gonna get there yet,

We're not. You just gotta keep listening to our podcast. We reveal the end cliffhanger of this episode two o two, with David just fucking beautiful minding his apartment. Yes, he's just Oh I think it was called in the script wall Oh crazy? Oh really? How do you remember that? I have this weird memory of like David's wall of crazy. It's just like he's just got a wall because they kept being like, you don't want Abby to walk in

and see the wall of crazy. Or maybe it's Brenda Song's character later on become that holds it a wall. Maybe maybe Yeah, but it mimics like our wall at OPA, right because we put up all the people's photo he's not like strings and yeah yeah yeah yeah. But also I don't want us to forget. There's a moment with you with Quinn in the apartment watching the president give the speech at the eulogy at the funeral, and you so beautifully break down, sobbing. Oh Katie, that was such

a great scene. Yes, because you're mate, I feel like you're obviously we talked about it earlier. You're making your peace with with your life. You're you. Part of you is dying as well. That eulogy is for you too, you know Lindaire died Yeah, after Tearstead. I love the question mark. Possibly, I don't know. You tell me. I can't remember if I hadn't in me that day or not.

Some days obviously g and I remember really well, like Amanda Tanner's more ex we were a ball of crying and of emotions and yes, and then there are some I can't remember if I had it that day well, tearstick or not. It was a beautiful, beautiful moment and and just just that being revealed, and you get that comes across so beautifully that you're like, oh, she's mourning. She's mourning, Lindsay Dwyer, like Quinn is mourning her old self. Just a great scene, by bye, my main Dyer, Lindsay Dwyer.

Fun fact about this episode. This is a horror heavy guest cast, isn't it. Gee, we already knew that. We already talked about that. Elise neil Anna Gordon plays Hallie and Scream Too, which is directed by Wes Craven. Have you ever worked with Wes Craven. I haven't and unfortunately he's passed on now, but that was one of my

dream directors. Yeah. So the other horror heavy, the horror fun fact Guermo is that the house that Anna, the character and the mistress lives in in this house is the house from a Nightmare on Elm Street, which is also directed by Wes Craven. So there was just a lot of horror shit going on. Yes, if people people from California know this house is it's there's always people out front taking pictures. It's the it's the exterior of the house where Nancy lived in Nightmare on Elm Street. Anyway,

that's such a great fun fact board. Would I never know that because I would never watch that movie, right m. One other fun fact list that needs to be brought up is that this episode is designed to be a mirror for Olivia and fits his relationship through the appearance of Pastor Drake's infidelities. But the use of mirrord elements is apparent even throughout the episode. The episode begins and ends almost with a phone call from Fits. That's mirror one.

David Rose's home is a wall of mirrors. The board in OPA office. Oh right, David Rosen's wall of crazy mirrors, like you said, gr board of the OPA office. Mellie's her beg to fits uses almost the exact same words as he does to Olivia sh another mirror, and then Vincent Anna and Pastor Drake's son is the spitting image of his father. So the whole episodes theme, yes, is mirror and didn't we learn a lot today? Are there any fun Scandal tweets at the time to wrap up

episode two or two? Let's see here, Let's see what we got here through. Oh, there's really cute. Oh my god, there's a flashback photo that Mary tweeted on October fourth of twenty twelve, episode two of two. Crew screening of ABC Scandal during lunch. You guys, we used to screen episodes during the crew during lunch in our big like conference room that was where we did all of our table reads, where there were just a ton of old

school folding chairs. They used to put it like two or three big screen TVs on like rolling things, and the whole crew would gather instead of like taking punch and like taking a break of their own, everyone would gather and watch the episodes together, Like, who the fuck does that? That's so rare on like the crew on a show or a movie. I mean, of course they're there and they're amazing, but the last thing I think they want to do is go and watch like a

you know, a screening of the episode. But it would hype people up so much because the show is so hot, that people would just be like, oh my god, we're working on the most amazing show. It would just everybody up. It was dope. Yeah. I just love this photo most of all, guys, This Mary Howard photo of the crew screening. It just everyone's arms are up and smiling and laughing and like it's from every department. I miss all those people so much. Hey, maybe some of the crews listening today.

If some of the crews listening today, we love you, guys, We miss you. Episode two oh three is next week. Episode two oh three is called Hunting Season. Oh yes, oh my goodness. Hopefully we've got we've got a guest coming on. But if not, Episode two or three is one of my favorite episodes of season two. Yeah, there's a lot of fucking camp David and Goldwin, like chopping wood. Yes, yeah, say no more. Maybe I think he chops wood. But if he doesn't chop wood, I know he laces up

Olivia's hunting boots really angrily. Yeah, because they're supposed to go hunting and she gets summoned to Camp David because he's so fucking pissed off that she's not answering his phone calls. And it's really steamy and it's really fucking hot and it's really angry. And so episode two or three Hunting Season will be next week. Tune in, tell your friends, subscribe Scandal Rewatch podcast Unpacking the Toolbox. Yes, we'll be here, we'll be here, and hopefully you guys

will you go. Gee, let's talk about how many people we've had sex with? And by that, I'm saying how many people? How many numbers? Feeling like we're going to talk about her IMDb numbers. How many numbers do we got? Oh my god, Gero, you have a hundred and four and that's including seven to eight years being on one job, crazy crazy, crazy crazy. Hey, that's pretty good. Okay, Okay, so let it be here known first. That's right, she

might have one hundred and four. I AMDB credits. I'm not only a fifty but I am more famous than Gamo by like, yeah, nothing, you better tell somebody, but that's today, Garmo. If you just release a sex tape tonight, that number will go way down. Oh my god, Okay, that's starting. Bullshit used to make me ill. Like I remember in my twenties auditioning and being like this dude I broke up with, Like, I was so angry and my friend was like, well, whatever you're starting is way

better than his. Are you serious? Oh my god? And I was like I can never look at this again. This is not healthy. Well, today's episode was really really exciting. We had the best time as usual and listen to the two most famous people in the world talk about past all I mean talk about Scandal episodes two h three. Hunting Season will be next week. Tell your friends, Tell your loved ones. I love you, Germel, I love you. Katie Lows, not Katie Lows Shapiro, just Katie total vanity,

just like my name better right. Hell yeah, well you are pretty famous, so that star meter would go up if you took Shapiro. Maybe. Gladiators, We love you, We love you guys. Bye, Thank you guys for joining us on unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate, or leave us a review. Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, alex Alcha, Lauren Homan, Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is

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