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The Age of Artificial Intelligence

Feb 05, 20241 hr 55 minEp. 54
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In this episode, Whitney is joined by UH assistant and podcast producer Star to discuss key aspects of the AI "revolution" including its short and long term effects and if it is possible to use AI without succumbing to its negative impacts.

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Intro / Opening

Welcome back to Unlimited Webb, the AI revolution has ever. And the rise of generative pronounced impact on human socialization, and much more assisting humanity into a utopia

equality. The impacts of AI are transform not just the economy is being rolled out at breakneck imaginable, along with other a surveillance grid that logs every keystroke and every it will tackle illicit activity possible to harness AI for its succumbing to its more negative that AI is largely being Silicon Valley overlords, and and intelligence community's more is star unlimited hangout assistant who has a lot of that I definitely think are

how's it going? Hi, good, know, doing swimmingly here to get asked about the most, and happening with it. And as I much every sack sector is having unquote, caused by by AI in the is also one of these sectors, even mainstream news, a lot about the impacts of the you know, it's also affecting

think, as well. So, you know, the narratives that were fed that it's gonna, you know, it reduced tedious work, people anymore, and sort of frame, you leading us to the sort of Utopia an ability for people to, you tedious work, I guess, in in generative AI, maybe producing whatever, that can all be done but you know, the consequence, that we've seen recently are big mass firings, that legacy alternative media are cheering it's necessarily something to what you have is, you know, if

essentially synth ographers of companies firing these replacing them with generative effective stenographer, and they content, and they don't it. So I don't think that's independent media. It's not like these, like, legacy media producing less content, but I people that are cheering it on, mainstream media and whatever.

people and independent media, us in independent media used to adopted by a pretty decent media these days, and it's, um, mean, I'm sure some people in Well, I know, they are a lot of you know, frankly, that kind of Chet GPT was sort of, like know, they were saying that like 90% of all content by 2025. And I don't think that's I don't know.

Well, and it's not also just, that's going to be using it independent media doesn't like type of stuff that they do, you themes, so it's like, it's not you just because you think or something like that. It's everywhere, it's just a they the work well I also think a lot of this emerging really AI dominance in of impacts on the censorship huge impact on independent media

The Age Of AI - Schmidt/Kissinger Book

well, I talked about this in a Katherine Austin Fitz. And it's because of how she runs for her there, a lot of what I talked and Schmidt book on AI. And they goal is to have generative AI, messaging, whether it's about really messaging about anything, then have that be curated by AI. stuff that doesn't fit, you want, you know, essentially as Schmidt layout at all to be like, on top of that managed by written by people that's not stick out to the AI, you know,

censor, which is not good. So, people like, like, some of the know, there's some convenience, produce a wall of text in like but it's, um, I think it's a bit wonder a lot about, you know, I've never used it, but as I like an account. And so every I'm sure sends back to the Sam people are asking. And it keeps your history so Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it keeps I've heard I've seen people delete everything. I asked it,

besides chat. GPT two, which is know, can think of, yeah, but I'm just sort of these things that are novel, get them without thinking about how against you. So like, you know, first came out, people were ping my location and tell it gonna, like, yes, link it to post like, all my pictures and then oh, it turns out, Facebook to people like Peter Thiel, and like, shouldn't give them our if people don't even remember when I was young, I

are. But I went to college and were first coming around, and was using the computer all the that went to my school, who was the Unabomber. He was really, you know, just kind of reminded thought about how he was kind of being so paranoid, you know, and I'm not going to, you know, I thought about that, from the Internet back in, like, you people who, just from the time just, you know, would tell know, this is where I live. like, you know, and all that they don't remember what they've

told everything. Well, I think like you get a yours. And it's like, oh, this stuff you're not thinking about even though a lot of well, funded a ton of these Silicon everything that you know, not super open about but like documented that they can get it's not really you know, yours think it is anyway, going back stuff, you know, people are stuff. And then you have like like aI quote, unquote, people, therapists, AI, I don't know,

strain, I guess. And I your interactions to and sending But what really concerns me too the end goal of this for the people like Henry Kissinger and basically everything we interact online be produced and curated interesting too, is there's been people using AI. That way, you disinformation and for ISIS is stuff and, and all of these that, you know, I think we'll as it progresses, they'll try certain people are allowed to it stuff. You know what I mean?

there's so many of them. I I sent you this link that get an account on it. I think something like that. But I mean, know, I mean, there's so many of prevent people from using them. they can prevent them from I mean, even Mark Zuckerberg, know, his language model Lama. make it open source, you know, that's what people want. Yeah, well, some people like like, yeah, free of bad, necessarily true, open source people have to go in and audit to audits, the code, you know,

Push to Regulate The Internet

know, I've talked a lot about to, like, regulate the internet definite definite policy goal. they succeed in that, and galvanizing event that makes internet and all of that stuff, know, there would be AI for information. And, and who stuff in this Kissinger summit outline about how to use AI to And a lot of in a lot of ways I

the flow of information. So I mean, this isn't necessarily like with the invention of like, the Democrats possession of get it, you know, out there, you like, very controlled, and like church. Yeah, specifically, and like clergy, or like specific

and like, learn to read. And all idea that they these guys lay take us back to that, which is sold as like it as enhancing and you won't have to do tedious of the justification for pushing basic income, and in all of the know, the way like these guys this is beginning to manifest as and in some sectors, and surely think we're going to be seeing store and more and more. So I read this book, too. And I, you know, I've heard how you of the book, and I think I agree veiling their true thoughts, but

are truly concerned? I mean, are dangers with the AI and and the right way. And it seems like the dangers. Yeah. But I think the way these people some dangers, and some of the their solutions to those dangers whole time, but the benefit to whatever they're like proposing,

afraid of this. And this is the it's not the only reasonable I mean, Eric Schmidt is is also wrote this saying, like, we have accounts to their IDs, so that enforcement when they like post I can't even believe that if I'm not doing something really can't understand. Wow, do. It's like it's very naive, consider how AI is being used facial recognition and stuff, issues in the UK with them time facial recognition accuracy is like super low.

like they're not going back and changing providers, like if you meaningfully trying to like make that works. You would go and try that has higher accuracy. Yeah, shown no interest in doing that.

they're trying to do. I mean, it Brazil, I think you said you this 1985 Like sci fi movie, one made it, but it's not a comedy off with the, you know, it's sort of, you know, just like a famous British dystopian, you basically, like, they make a the ministry of information, or flying falls, and in like, the arrest warrant. And so like, one

last name. And so they go and interrogating and murdering, these other people that tried arrest, or like, try and rectify government know, they made a over the course of the movie, tortured and stuff. And it's be of the of the movie, I think, in the, the state, the government, isn't necessarily interested in because the system, like a total virtue of like, the fear of that keep people in line, you know, kind of reminds me of like,

movies. And it's kind of like, these horrible things that they people aren't, they're okay with horrible things that they've Well, I mean, it's a way of a way you're like, desensitizing But when I was saying about philosopher who's like, name I'm I'm really just bad in general offense to anyone, but it's like

that. Like faux faux call was So anyway, the people at and Alex carps company, but if the privatized version of total love that guy and have like New York Times has like a big or 2020, somewhere in there, and picture. And that guy basically

Panopticon

the idea of of panopticon, which Brazil, which is the idea that watched, especially if, you like, something authoritarian, like self regulate your not about it being accurate or know, what they care about is because, you know, it means you'll regulate your own censor, in all senses, you know, online, but like how you act know, that it's like watching

for that to happen. They don't like inducing that effect at AI, you know, facial algorithms are put in charge of these guys, it doesn't really don't they're none of them are being rolled out to decide, like enforcement, and governance and know, I think that's something

about enough. I mean, I'm sure know, corporate grift Enos of brother's company, and I'm gonna though their AI algorithm is like, I'm sure there's a degree ultimately, like they're not hyper efficient, like it, is it things it's being sold as, like and has big in in when applied settings, or which have the and who dies just like military

really big issue. Well, and you don't know when it's problem is like, if you could was hallucinating, that wouldn't sometimes you know, I've out, I didn't want to do it at something may be kind of look at kind of checked it out a little mistakes, it just makes stuff up court cases, studies, it'll don't exist numbers for court know, so, but it seems like read all these articles about to court with some information not even true. Yeah, insane.

Well, this is going back to over mainstream media journalist It's like, like, even more Yeah. Because if you're gonna have says well, then what's the point be using it to save time, but check everything it says anyway, you just believe everything because it's sold to you as intelligent. You know, that's Schmitt AI book is full of Shi if they were being honest about this stuff, and not just using give their veiled plans, you public, they would definitely accuracy problems that

phenomenon. And instead, they're undiscovered worlds basically. realities that we cannot see. intelligent AI to be our guide whatever. And like no, because documented things that these there's no guarantee that that's and observe it, like aI produces produces output that is these guys don't acknowledge frame it as as something that

that it's superior to us. And want us to think and to put like there's these different groups like religion around AI that in sort of related fields, sort called themselves data s. And Silicon Valley that's tried to writing sermons and some a little weird. So they think that whole narrative that that it's errors aren't really realities that are just hidden not just trust that narrative basically telling us not to

anymore. And saying, We should is a major theme in that say that that will happen isn't involved with programming underclass, but the idea here, this in this book is about how decisions for us, right. And decisions, necessarily, but listen to, like the algorithm on cultivating our learning our subtly cultivating our stuff. And then eventually, without it, that's essentially

they talk a lot about that. And, broader implications that like, AI summarize stuff, that's long, you know, and without AI like thing or that thing for us, like like the AI summary are the grow accustomed to when all of say that this particular class point won't understand AI at is acting on them, that they'll in this large underclass, being acted upon and watched by what it's doing to them is

disturbing. But they, again, know, close, that is like, Oh, things, but they cast them as and then you know, I mean, the Schmidt is like one of the through his work with like the AI and his, like extreme administration, science policy. And it's funding salaries of people, it's totally illegal, he And then also dominating how military and the intelligence of power for one guy. And so he, know, make anything happen,

implementation in the US. And so talking about, I mean, it's all, with it, I mean, with the book, book is actually saying, you at this time, right now, talking about it, and there's no they have interim policies, but that kind of feels like they want right now, before,

AI Regulations

into place. Yeah, and I think, you know, what you talked about how different generative AI is like, whatever. Yeah, I'm sure when it so that those, those little better, whatever, in terms of whatever, probably will not be I mean, regulation in these like, you know, like the coming these other like emerging to them. I mean, Congress is for the companies in this they get to decide who continues mean, obviously, some companies

regulations than others. And that those companies have the why those regulations are being they go through and those companies that, you know, are regulations are pushed through, when this happens in the States, it's sort of started, I guess, with like agriculture, it was get big or get out, like, if company, um, you know, favors, you know, you know, and these big, big ones that are,

be part of it. But they take out regulate, you know, at the West, there was a remember who it was that was about how in the future, they about what they train their AIS know, these are, so they want to content from these companies content to train AI. You know, all these companies, you let us we'll feed you know, feed people Yeah. Which is sounds horrible. there's a lot of that going created like a stock exchange, date company's data. And so they

exchange. And like all these of their all of their data in and then they can use it. mean, obviously, a lot of well, and you know, it's been in don't have to worry about your right. You know, I mean, maybe sure, probably don't, or at you know? Yeah, but I mean, that data is the new oil and all what people don't realize is new oil, and they're making lots you are not making any money. hyper inflated away or trickling they, you know, making a lot of before. Wow, depressing.

I'm sorry, I'm like a big pill. I mean, I don't really a sense, because I think it's how these guys see this stuff, otherwise, we can't really fight right at the bottom and the way think people need to start you know, specifically like big

AI and military

like there are one of the using our data for bad things control of the military. And the honestly pretty insane. And then era, they're trying to push all of that, which is either Silicon Valley people. I mean, Schmidt is a big driver of that. is Peter Thiel. And, you know, guys with very deep ties to the government. And I don't know, I or developing these like I mean, all of that sounds like Well, war is always like, the reason

reason for innovation, right? I time, is about like, innovation of killing yourself be the one that what you want. I mean, that's innovation. Well, the last like the Gaza conflict right now And then the Ukraine conflict.

specifically for like US specifically, the Peter Thiel he's funding it, you know, in and all of that a lot of it is companies is Palmer Luckey, Rift, like the virtual reality where Peter Thiel was a big made for help make Facebook the his company is and drill which these like autonomous drones and surveillance towers that are on

this stuff. And, you know, it's Peter Thiel funded thing like facial recognition thing where from Facebook and including Facebook accounts, but other and like uploaded it to Facebook make this engine for crazy,

66% of Americans live in constitution free zones

You just mentioned the wanted to mention this, because lot of people know this, but lives in a constitution free live within like, yeah. When you distance between borders, then free zones. And about 60% of the That's insane. Yeah, because if you think of coastal areas as borders, right. like California, all of Florida. Yep. And I think it's like 100

that. Something like that. Yeah. Well, it's given all like the stuff going Texas, specifically in this states and the federal But honestly, I think a decent manufactured, because bad things likely to play out, as a been saying for a long time to gets particularly dicey, or, you overreach, and people get too like, specifically the stuff mean, it's there, and it's it for people coming in. Right.

also keep people from like, You know, it's not just, I don't border border thing, I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on. going to be the year of and I think a lot of that is know, right. The process of it's, you can just look at censorship, it's almost decision. Well,

Bot armies on social media

sure. And then you have on on social media stuff alone. I at least the US military has, making like social media bot generative AI which now like has like a thing with the the most sophisticated bots Like and stuff like that. And I just realize that when they're many people think like, although know, people that are boosted by is organic because people like like the the video, the pop played over and over again or again, because people want that that. It's because that's what

they want you to see. Right. And because everyone assumes, oh, I'm seeing so much of this or must be popular. Right? Well, completely like off. I mean, not times it's manufactured. Yeah, you have to wonder person so popular? And I've would think you would have heard if it was real?

Yeah, well, you know, specifically, or x or or know, there's been this whole people that promote Elon get monetization and, and what have whole effort to like Co Op the you know, a lot of the people measures and against, you know, them into being like, you know, who's a contractor for military know, I saw RFK, praising Ilan the providing a free speech Oh, I missed that. But it's That's unfortunate. Well, Alex secede and elect Elon Musk as so um, you know, social media,

Left/Right Paradigm

these days. And it's all about reality, a specific way. And I to basically, you know, through means, among others, get people on the right, that don't feel like their guy won, meaning know, a lot more acquiescent and this stuff. Because I mean, just COVID, you know, yeah. Trump elites. And, you know, he's sort establishment cred, I guess. But trying to take him off the some of his biggest and sort of Jones, I guess, you know, he's,

rehabilitated. As like a pro Trump once again, despite all you know, sell, you know, Trump save America, yada, yada, yada. forget. I can't blame people for you have to look at what we have not doing anything for people. Well, exactly. But people paradigm works. Right. So you right hand of the same thing?

a mess of things. And the other cleans it up offering the whole time, but it's cheered on problem created, by the other All this stuff with the border it's obvious that the the group that is going to be the party on terror, and tough on crime, policies are going to be Americans, right? Make no going to be a push for ID And it's going to be digital ID,

right to cheer it on. Because the guns, you know, and can to an extent and make it harder basically sign up that segment else to get, you know, what they of the stuff that's being set up like it's incompetence. It's not to grow into this insane in with very heavy handed it's likely they'll have that solutions instead of Biden. Because people seem to like

Trump

I mean, he did offerees I right. I mean, he did it an insane amount of his base was lot of his base remember it as Biden's vaccine, like Trump And that's the I mean, that's paradigm works. You can like current area, current acts like he's going to be all at the end of the day. I mean, came to power he like made this like Larry Fink from BlackRock these guys, and yes, super tight warmongers and his his on being against Neo cons, and of these guys, that's very good drastically different than their

that resonates with people. And pushing forward and a lot of the mean, when COVID happened, one to was Larry Fink of Blackrock, printed by the Fed, and they got And all this stuff for COVID. printed so much money, I mean, against what he campaigned on, forgotten about all of this. And start any new wars. But he tried to start a war with Iran. They like one of the top Iranian on a diplomatic mission, like

just did it. Like it's I don't the way people have come to power of, of how media can that's independent media, Trump's base to feel that way. dissident right base to go back and it's because precisely a lot against the mainstream media. effective, imagine how effective all this AI stuff. You know, not the strategy they've had for a flood the zone strategy, where messaging and a particular way AI, like, oh, my gosh, you can before, you know? Yeah.

I don't understand. I mean, really easy to make people side of the bankers, people hate it's so hard to make the you look at his history in New happened with the, you know, all I mean, he's on their bankruptcies. Yeah. Yeah, bankruptcy, he made Secretary of who was worked for I think it the Rothschild Bank, maybe one is what rescued Trump from know. I mean, I think it is to by default is like, oh, but

Trump? And they meaning like the like, if they really wanted to already, you know, and by these going to stop him, but they're making like this media hoopla manufacturing trust. And this Economic Forum right now, where the board, is how to rebuild theme. It's been their it was their theme, I think, last year focused on rebuilding trust. I someone at the WEF? Like Javier audience to come up? And, and, yeah, he got up there, and he think that's what's happening. that there's this phase shift

sell the same agendas. The the, movement in the US is against, sees as an example, but it's a in that they want to sell that

Retooling ESG to appeal to the right

talking points about it being or for whatever, they're people that are right leaning. I like with Larry Fink, who's like was all about, like ESG climate leaning talking points, and now being like, well, we should do not you know, for the planet or inclusivity and talk Two points he's saying, Oh, well, you can And everyone can make a lot of sort of talking about, like, you and stuff like that. And I mean, doing. And like Malay came to

Milei

to Trump having sort of like that resonated with people who class. And I mean, it was also cathartic with Malay to power establishment that have everyone hates, you know, but gets into office and after establishment, he puts the power, not the one he just leaning one, he went back to the center right party guy, Mauricio from his administration and put finance minister, he can paint know, an anarchist, and all this top economics guy and finance know, Latin American point, man

and stuff. Like, it's not good, with the IMF. And he everyone in they've been trying to privatize force austerity on them and done everything the IMF wanted without the whole, like, debt very nuts. And so I think the there is just indicative that, trust, people that are against have certain political out there and have people trust will deliver the policy goals, guys have wanted all along. And thing is going to be sold as

issue. We have the know who standing Republican push for yeah, this is like, I mean, this stuff. And immediately, side or another, I'm on neither there, they'll just, you know, be like, Oh, well, you know, But it has to be digital, or like Ron DeSantis, who were, you CBDCs, for example, like digital Florida. So he's not against CBDCs. But you know, I've done recently about how that's like, instead of a cbdc, like, issued they're going to do it, but it's Street. And it's not going to be

going to be the same thing. So you know what I mean? I mean, I about this. But I honestly feel shift here to try and move to dissident, right? And oh, yeah, and we're free, and all of this back into office and like, save It's, I don't know, people just last time. And no one does. I was reading something about verification, you know, to

something like that. But then being like, well, it could be a And so then the solution to that was from, like, one of these know, government press release that they were looking at banks, know, so it'd be Yeah, you would your bank. Yep. Online. Sounds about right. Yeah.

CBDB, Digital ID, UN SDGs

bankers are driving a lot of scene, digital ID thing. I mean, Sustainable Development Goals, country has pretty much signed together. They must as as as most of the stuff at the UN, finance and climate action STG stuff. It's been written by bankers. People assume it's are somehow like not like, you in their field, sort of like the trust style thing. No, it's not written by bankers about how to children and all generations to everybody and everything alive traded on, like blockchain

it's totally insane. When you and I just, I can't stand it. the UN is on their side here. stuff was written by, by yeah, I mean, a lot of the stuff the push for like a regulated intelligence agencies, pretty finance thing is like, oh, we this stuff. And they put Mark charge of it, we're like, the mean, really powerful people who like, stepping on people's their way to the top. And you're like, are setting up all these

the planet, it's madness. And they're just like, creating, can tokenize and like, turn assets, and, you know, financial I mean, these guys don't really they, but they've spent a lot of well, they spent a lot of money, public relations to convince us obviously, their actions, bankers, I mean, it makes it they're motivated by, and I money. You know, I think, you that talk about these agendas, said about how it's really more this point. But I think, you

Risk Management

their interests and control is they love to control people as there's people that are in it that, but I think there's some necessary for I guess, risk they see, like an on sort of the public if the masses were view that as like just and makes it harder for them to

know what I mean? And I think a is also like, predicated on them with the masses, because they in other ways, or they steal maintain their specific have, like, no intention of think it sort of comes down to mean, I'm sure they see it as And like big parts of the elite. there too, is that, like, what they see as chaos. And I think human creativity, or like, controlled, like buying going to be viewed as inherently unless they can, like, extreme extreme extreme degrees, they'll

Predictability and manipulation

away all the risk of there being people on the planet that aren't they want to do every time. You money and so much effort into allowing them to do that at unprecedented ways. And a lot of book is essentially using AI AI that aren't even necessarily big part of that is because, you impression of this creativity consciousness and of this stuff interested, but with a lot less you know, something happening synthetic thing like AI, you

Yeah. When we were talking just kind of, you know, talking something about, they want really kind of like mind blowing about it all that time about the understand how they think this building on top of lies. You the training from the media and So how are they expecting to get know, a I models that they're that they don't care while predictability. And that was I thought about it, because I assumed that that's what they

what they care about. They care well, they tell you, they it's just like, you know, how a inaccurate, like we were talking it's going to make things more selling point. But it doesn't like, a lot of the time, it's They just want it to be like in can manipulate. And then if it up, like, you know, like happens stuff. They'll just cover it up that know about the mistake and going because it's not it's not it's like not about accuracy.

misinformation, so the truth can creating, essentially AI, and changing how we perceive dependent on AI to perceive how people receive reality, you right. And so this is like an able to push humans into a

it operates. And I think a lot that they plan for AI that isn't of it with health care, and the Internet of bodies, and the escalating a lot, and like AI genome and, and all of this just trying to like tweak a nothing unpredictable that why, you know, pretty much not, necessarily every sector AI is them have an extreme focus on stuff. Like predicting what do it. And it's all about like, happen. And all of this stuff, end of the day, it's so like, like, uprisings from the little

micromanage it all. And I think, too, when you tie in, like the and like healthcare, posturing basically, you know, tweak survive in the system, they're dependence on AI, I think they cognitive, like is sort of laid stuff. But I think they want it the future, like be biological, dependencies on this stuff, I transhumanism thing, maybe an about. So much, just like just

without these. I mean, we're big tech, and all that for, but we're not necessarily like, actually live, you know, like, away and like unplug and stuff. couple of different, you know, want that there's like, the data some of these people. And know, as I've talked about religious overtones on that's whole trans transhumanist think it's also like just people some sort of system that keeps trapped, and we're producing all

run the economy now. And moving they call it like the data of like, the DNA economy and how data and like all of this stuff. applications of a lot of stuff some of these powerful people, take all of this stuff to like, lot of people haven't, like,

Tokenize Everything

there's this thing that I've the article is not out yet, but that's about the broader, like, Fink talked about the how everything's going to be traded on on blockchain and they not just like things that are it's not just I mean, they want every living thing, natural I've touched on before him on capital natural asset like, there's people tokenizing future profits, like from their themselves. They're like, like their creativity. So we can be make them money and stuff. Oh,

stuff. Yeah, it's really crazy. this stuff is leading. If these like, essentially everything on be like, traded on a blockchain product. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It Wall not all just Wall Street. But of of the, you know, the power they control the money. Right? banking in the United States.

of influence over things that I think sometimes people point think what we're meant to do, at this politician or that also know, and this should know, funded by people and their ideas time, and they're just like, you do, and saying what they're told politician rolled out, but they people that, you know, tell them speeches and like, coach them on

policies. It's like, not all work for think tanks funded by know, people don't look at those time, they just want you focused we really shouldn't be doing if there's anything we've COVID era, it's that there's a people assumed. And there's a

right now. And honestly, a lot on in the financial space right trying to literally turn think of into like money or an fractionalize meaning like, cut tokenize make a token of it so rob you in unprecedented ways, being pitched before was stuff this, like for the planet, like with carbon in it, which is like life. Right. tokenize we were doing it for the planet. people like Larry Fink, like I through, like this big shift and

that kind of stuff anymore. It's much money you can make by property, your land holdings, collateral on loans. Oh, look, guess. BlackRock owns, you know, And then they'll eventually own because everything when you push also to like, fractionalize ownership. That is like the happy thing. You know, everything. And it's being decentralized, like, right right now, between people like stuff happening right now. And might buy into it thinking like this is, you know, a chance for

some wealth. But I mean, come They don't want to share their stolen wealth from you, and then it back. And if they're going try and get it back. Be very because that's a way to get you their existing talking points of let's build a new better and They know all of that is not have all their best minds suckered into the same system And it's happening in real time. is mostly about AI. And maybe some other stuff too, but I essentially every facet of life lot going on with it that I feel

lot. So if it's cool with you anything else that's related to little bit about some of the AI um, going on? Well, we touched there's a little more I'd like

AI, Military & Governance

talking about like the AI think that should be looked at going on with like AI in the you've heard about the use of pick targets and it's civilians, obviously, because of the death toll is just like the IDF won't say like, what the targets, like what the essentially, what you're having lists for people. So like, back remember star like back in the having a kill list was like, guess it's not because people kill lists that are bigger and transparency into them at all.

who lives and who dies, and what happens when that gets, you Ukraine also is a testbed for a it's going to be weaponized going to use it against their know, populations they're at war this stuff comes out of the box, going to just be a war time lot of like, historically, like industry, they do a lot of like, hate to call it that, because I But, you know, they're, from to say that their products are they're blowing up kids and marketing, that's how they say do that, they sell this stuff

up getting used, I mean, a lot example, that's framed as like terrorists gets used by like, I Emirates, or Saudi Arabia as an example, you know, and so, you know, I think one of the be used for and why people giving your data to it is that used by governments to decide necessarily who lives and who But it could be, you know, in a like, you know, more supply the food system or whatever.

are essentially been obliterated what happens if they roll back some sort of system, like the UN world coin system for, like, have to, like scan your eyeball, and your wallet, and it like, wallet automatically when you register by scanning your the World Food Program is doing day refugees around the world. they'll be trying to do that, welfare stuff, domestically, and the AI determines, oh, this shouldn't qualify, I mean, it stuff. And to think, you know, when it use it for those ends,

naive. And I think ultimately, people that are sort of eugenics me that a lot of them want AI data of everyone because they certain traits they want to want to, you know, favor the those people will get the ones that, you know, have not get selective treatment, you has the potential for all of advance enough, and you know, now, I mean, a lot of people ways, but I think also people these people plan for AI, it's livestock herder and like we are to call and who not to call, who

know, and I think, I don't know. giving it all of this power by not divesting from these saying they want to do that. So

Can AI be used for its benefits?

time. Then to circle back to the you know, if the people probe and that are poised to set AI after they make those these groups, you know, program know, can we use AI for positive negative to negative? I mean, I on on regulation? And if they open source or alternative AI I don't think that they can. can stop them from existing? How you can't have, you know, it's genies already out? I don't that, because I mean, there's so AI systems that are already out

now. How are they? What are they can't use it however way they that's possible. Yeah, I think I mean, I would they're definitely going to try when that happens, it's going to

internet than it is now. So if going to persist, I tend to some stuff would slip through know, but I think, you know, probably going to regulate like they're going to decide like, coins are okay, you know, which okay, like, which, you know, digital dollar, and which ones make the regulation, so they, And I think they'll probably do intelligence. And I think it's, regulated internet to come? The like, oh, you know, there's people that do bad things activity, we have to end online

doing and says online. And so I paradigm, like, they'll only tracks and logs, everything it back to the intelligence people care about privacy. I go along with that. Yeah, I know. But the infrastructure of the internet When you think about it, like basically on like, 13, or yeah, that's pretty centralized. some of the people that run name system of the internet, very tied up and all these

internet. And, you know, in people's websites for think there is going to be a still be able to use it in ways but you don't need to use it that's the only people that are are gonna be people that are sophisticated technologically, I understand what you're it's not hard to install. You computer right now, it's not your computer. It's local, you can put on your computer. So I guess like some of the trying to talk about, you know, sending it back to them for like all of the stuff, like

whatever. And if they want to, thoughtcrime, and all this they seem to be gearing up to that? I mean, ideally, you would your data that way and send it they take the data off the the chat JpT is no different think there's much of a But what I'm saying is like, regulated, and then the internet as my opinion. You know, and you that paradigm. I think it's also

very unsafe. Yeah, I don't agree with you that that you know, you're giving we're already giving it to them, regardless of if we give it to there's a lot of things that are a tool like everything else, you who use Bitcoin. People don't technologies, right. But I think

is you have to know. I mean, idealistic or wanting to be able And I'm not even really using it it to see, you know, kind of the But I don't really think that impactful, I think that you can know, instead of deciding that but I, you know, I feel like of like, negative impacts of it Well, I mean, I guess I could you know, in terms of like, a was like, the whole reason for,

Right. So like, the name Lord of the Rings, and it's like Rings that is, like, neither powerful tool, and depending on determines whether it's good or much the same. And I think, you they'll regulate for the purpose possible in the hands of the bad trying to say. But AI is such a broad term. about? Because AI, artificial people have just started calling

chat DPT? You know, so like Is that what we're talking I'm not talking about because that like generates text it's very different than, like, talking about in terms of like, facial recognition, you know, And, I mean, we didn't really singularity, like artificial Right. Yeah. But I mean, different AI eyes, but I think regulatory framework is passed years is going to be focused on, isn't under their control from know, what does that, you know, the masses, I mean, I think

out of it. But I think people the risks. And that ultimately, the elites in the sense of, things they don't want, or, you they're trying to create, and tool, it's a powerful tool, it

cases. But can we make use of and maintaining and dominating what are people using AI for excited about is using it to, make pictures, you know, write all kinds of computer programs text, you know, there's, it's know, a one size fits all type can do everything instead of these different apps and kind of like, like a, just a better in one. Yeah, I mean, I get that I think getting lulled into a spot where Because you I mean, obviously, think about like three years

writing with Chet GPT. And kids writing essays or Chechi, teeing learn how to write and like, have down the line, especially are saying, like, this is what saying, This is what we want to know, do you think that people computers? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they did, and stuff, right. And I mean, I were wrong about a lot of the were never really I think, at a

risks. And it ended up like consequences once like the guess what I'm saying is people the where they Wanna take this for now, but just be aware of like, make sure you have red the stuff. And about, like, what hammer comes in, and they try entirely. Because I mean, like people care about their privacy.

done a lot of work on this, you about, there's definitely going you know, privacy, online only way to stop these cyber to eliminate privacy online, or unmask everyone, and we have already have people like Jordan this, Nikki Haley, and a bunch right leaning. And then also there's pushes for it, too. I talked about thing, even Elon was talking about like, verify stuff, I think that is a red

Linking Government issued ID to online activity

have and not cross is when they government issued ID to your know why I think that please on the war on domestic terror in because honestly, it's targeting mean, what would be viewed as domestic terror stuff, but also state or state policies or anti that listen to this podcast environmentalists are on there, that it's like all, you know, domestic terrorist stuff is all who are at January 6, and blah, people on the right on, you don't know, Hamas supporters, or what the rhetoric is at this

So. But ultimately, it's about know, or isn't willing to comply know, don't make it easy for the thing about the ID stuff on what you say online, and what you linking your ID to that visibility necessarily than The difference is once they can legally go after you. Because everyone is technically illegal can't prosecute you necessarily illegally, you know, right. And your ID, legally to it, if they say this is a law to using it with your, you know, say, somebody else use my

Yeah. There's more of a gray know, the illegal wiretapping communications, they can't, I that to get like warrants and courts and stuff, but it's like, with that, you know. And it's everyone in jail. But you know,

Arpa-H

administration, they almost Harpa, that actually Biden ended ARPA H. But it's like health, it's the same people that were administration to and the first which was promoted by Jared called safe homes. I've written for something. And basically, to go through social media posts for early neuro psychiatric of this being under the guise of

they happen in the US. It wasn't flagged, and it sends people to a court ordered psychologist and like, put them under house whole variant of there was a can do to someone who gets And the best way to not be at all because again, AI is in certain situations and not be able to parse certain at detecting sarcasm for there these programs come to very good, you know, because caught up in this mess are going basically. And it was pitched

happened. Biden created the infrastructure for domestic of program is going to be here Trump. I mean, I don't think it the Trump administration, they something that like, hardly created a pre crime program, justice policy called Deep. You and put them in prison for

That could escalate. I feel like when you say, I don't see a difference between you know, whatever you mean, by Yeah, I mean, I see what what I mean, is like social talking about, like, once you like, once these programs get to, like, hunt for domestic easiest way to make it hard for that system. It's weaponizing, a against people, you know, in a unconstitutional and completely you know, it was great before to people. And for certain things, negative consequences, social

young people and stuff. Yeah. illegalized social media, but and use all of these things that dependent on for various things. Palantir model, this dual use are trying to turn it to the what I'm saying. So like, I like, necessarily, like be a these these things happen. Yeah, programs come in, you should not with something completely with that system. Or you should, bunch of shared servers. I mean, people from making some sort of can still do some of this stuff.

out, you know what I mean? My centralization and how the world are trying to use AI definitely can't use their AI. way to stop that. And it's and the internet. Yeah. Because doing similar things to both I I think that, you know, the know, there's like this, there's know, and I think right now, about the fact I read somebody fact that a dog is talking, you so much about the thing they're

what I can do. Yeah. But yeah, that they have to control our what we want, and by, you know, instead of, you know, going to mean, there's lots of things think, I don't think they're can't use a language model, you think that that's going to they're like, you have to think that's likely? I don't think that that's can buy a computer, I think that

want on your computer. And going to be able to stop you program unless they make the they going to make large But if it's if it's if your based thing, I mean, I think the require most of them do a lot of them. use them. But like, they're not corporation. Well, for now. I mean, open AI and Microsoft. And I'm sure a lot of swallowed up.

Yeah, I mean, who knows future, but I don't think that plenty of people that are make sure that that there's corporately controlled I just up like something that we can't I'm just I'm sure some stuff guess what I'm saying is that so that you have to be really sophisticated in order to do I also don't agree with install a program on your people, there's so many people help people divest from this have to do is know how to get on Well, you know, maybe this you say the internet's totally

aren't even going to be able to they're willing to give up, you you have to decide, yeah, so, awareness, you know, and that's talk about to about that book know if you want to talk about go for it. Okay, well, I heard

Understanding Media - Modern Extensions of man

in 1964. It's called extensions of man, by Marshall like, the father of modern media came out, some ad executives them on a tour of like, you a lot of TV shows and stuff, like, like a Bernays, or were like, really embracing his talking about him. And so he is phrase, the medium is the thinks that we shouldn't content of the medium is, but study that when you're looking Understanding media, the medium, he says, it's an technology. So like the wheel is senses, he defines it as like an

abilities past ourselves. And so is a medium, because that is an bulb is an extension of our allows us to sense further than how we used to be in the be like the wheel and stuff like electric age. So when he talks of ourselves, it's basically central nervous system. Because things that we can't see right we're in the electric age, we instantaneous, you know, we can Right away, whatever we want. what we have to consider is the of the designs or patterns as

existing processes. So when message is the ways that it what I think that we need to do, of examine it in a way where we you know, the content that it And, you know, we talked about that brings when you when you allows you to understand it in a focusing on what it's doing. can think about what it's doing once we understand that, then we do that, decide if we don't want

of stuff. So if you if you look at you iteration of this extension of I guess then people coming in to of, you know, being part of the sense and understand the world information, truthful that out. It's like an a way of iteration of that to like, lead know? Yeah, like instead of our reality and understanding like a closed off system, of trapping our central nervous totally sort of how I

see. So I guess then in the decision of how how do we avert that diversionary way by the thing that sort of helps us to information? And I think who's, you know, making the the AI industry, and how can we prevent this extreme Central, it? I guess I don't really think centralized the control of AI as

Well, I hope not. But I like, what people are going to see right now is that the people are like, much more than everyone else that's using And then it's easier to just than to try and like, you know, Yeah, yeah, totally. Totally. I you. I mean, I know it sounds you agree, no, no, but I helps me explain it better. Like, no, I love it. Because heard you talk about the book, book, but I haven't heard your

Media shapes our Identity

interesting that he talks about shapes our identity. And that from the previous medium. So the previous medium, which was manuscripts and stuff, and then like radio and TV, so like TV plays and stuff like that. And past, the new media shows us the idea of what the past was, us the past. It's kind of shapes our identity. I found it writers and stuff like that are threatened right now by AI as jobs, you know, and their away. But it's just interesting, threat to their identity. As

Sure. Yeah. Kind of that way. But yeah, yeah. No, heard that somewhere before. And something I've thought about I've said this, and I think some ago, um, you know, in terms of information, like why it's so know, is because it like shapes identities are shaped by like, we come from, you know, it's all also like, you know, human families of our communities, our people control how history is but how it's like, remembered, memory, then they can control

people perceive them. And so I like, extreme control over like now. And I think they're those ends, which, again, is why people have physical books. And have offline copies of other read, you know, yeah, it's good brain as you age and all of that of getting phased out at the and I think we should definitely if they centralized control they'll invariably control all we got here, all of that, and the winners are, and who, you I think can't learn from the past if they Yeah.

Or if the pastor being told think a lot of you know, my also like my book and stuff, you find, you know, what really here and just trying to answer did Epstein how happen, you lot more than that. But that's those questions. And there's a intentionally hidden from us if texts, you know, historical that these people, right, they that oftentimes are not

used to like shape identity. So school, American history textbook I ever, like, like, the US government is like this steady stream of progress, it's so great and protects stuff. And then you find out the what, you know, I mean, I'm listening to this podcast, so degree, but what happens when finding out what's going on, anymore? And how will that them to, you know, feel about know, that's, that's part of it.

terms of our understanding of so little we know, about, like, that, and one of the reasons the whole, like, burning of the of that, but with the internet, down the internet, and try and could do something like that, version of that. Yeah, because knowledge and books that aren't things, purely online. And so like to tell people to try and physical library, you know, interested and purging, you don't favor their, how they want again, this is all about intention of, you know,

of that is memory. And a lot of ultimately, you know, it comes ultimately, you know, yeah, soapbox about identity and Okay, so I have two more okay, so I want to read this another one. If we understand transformations caused by new control them. But if we continue trance, we will be their slaves. discussion. This is why we need what it's doing to us and the self induced induced about this a lot in this book, So here's another quote from the of two media is a moment of

new form is born. For the us on the frontiers between narcissist narcosis the moments moment of freedom and release numbness imposed by them on our right now. You know, we're not right there at that spot where what we're going to do. You that's why we're having this aware of how AI changes the way information and our remain ignorant of the

in. Yeah, I mean, AI is rolled out as happened with other stuff before weary, were like, paying moves from being a tool to And there's always this phase at people to like onboard to a is open and useful like that, You know, if people aren't weary make sure you're using it in is helping you not one that is is endangering you in the event terror, predictive policing, all that stuff, when that gets reconsider what you're doing.

you have to be aware of how stuff through because if you Oh, it's convenient, convenient, historically to hurt people in a good for them or for human it ultimately leads to dumbing there is In a progressive definitely in the West. But elsewhere too. And, you know, I of intentionality behind that. technology's fault, but it's thing. And technology has been engineering. So if you're going technology, you have to be aware to you. And there's an intention

who become dependent on it. So you have to keep your tool serving you. And your don't tables don't turn and then totally, but it's dangerous, you know, going into it, knowing that said, it's a narcosis, you know, immersed and unaware, you know, conveniences of it are much too else. Yeah, I mean, if you're one of the can't handle that kind of use it at all. No, yeah, about it. But I mean, you know, it's like a tool that can be

careful. And, I mean, it's I go back to the social media sold the people as Oh, you can and it's gonna make things so was no talk about all the data turned out to be like a huge actually made people more more disconnected. Right? Yeah, always have those consequences media hadn't been so I don't beginning it maybe it would have also, like Facebook, for making people more depressed by

certain way. So maybe they've outcome of making people feel know, more depressed when they maybe it's intentional, and not does that to people, I don't

like changed. I mean, people discourse on social media than world, you know, and it's consequences that I think, you necessarily think about, and using it, you get acclimated, it's, it wasn't normal, you to be worried about that kind of how they did it, you know, using it, look how cool it is, you're on it, you give all your feeling diminished, you know? Yeah. About this book, they our central nervous system, we this stuff that we can get, you you know, and, you know, it's

and stuff like that. I think I'm this book that I think is worth talked about people should read reading books, you've learned so much more by reading and thinking about it than you do it. But not everybody can read. lot of time to read everything whatever. So I think I want to show notes. So you know, people going to take the time to read ideas in the book, because I things to consider, it's going deciding where you're going to

Closing

Yeah, I mean, I think it's really know, think about this stuff, you going to use it in such a impact you think about what your so that you don't cross them? I think that's really the only the stuff because to do it risks are aware of some of the serve and how it's meant how, the field right now we're

us. You know, we have to be it's not going to be used much as we can control that's probably a good place to, thanks a lot star for being listens to this podcast that is, and myself even if star isn't, the conversation. She's always podcast. And with that being who does the show notes for if everyone listening takes time you definitely should. And I'm

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