Talkin’ Sneakers with Josh Luber

sneaker resale business into a multibillion dollar industry. Later, Speedie will test my sneaker knowledge and our pal Peter Andrew from bet MGM will talk about his picks for this week. But before all of that, Speedy, what is all the fuss about sneakers? I don't get it. The question, I guess the better question is what is not the fuss about sneakers? Oh? I've been a guy that loves sneakers and has collected sneakers for many, many years. But let's

let's start really basic. And I'm curious, how many pairs of sneakers do you own? Right now? Gosh? I I am guilty of having a lot because my husband was signed with Nike for four years, so I swear every time I opened the front door there was a Nike box. Now he's with under Armour, so we're all under Armour. I have a ton of sneakers for me, I just need to wear one pair Tilla wears out and then

I'll go to another pair, and he thinks that's ludicrous. Um, I will say, just from a comfort standpoint, I really like under Armour. Now I walk all the time. I'm not a runner. I'm a walker. But I know when I'm talking about this, like the the use of sneakers, that's not at all what you're talking about. So I know you're not really thinking about the come where you're thinking of the appeal, the street cred, the fashion, And I'm just like, what doesn't give me shins wins? Well,

sometimes comfort is important. It is not the most important thing. Sneakers are basically there. There are a few things, but I guess the main attraction of sneakers is the fact that there are a form of self expression. Right, So just like how you know you may like nice cars, or you may like nice bags or jewelry or whatever. There's a lot of people like myself who like sneakers, and we call ourselves sneaker heads. And so basically that means we either spend way too much money on sneakers

or have way too many pairs of shoes. At the end of the day, we all only have one pair of feet. But there's no such thing as too many sneakers. So you have a good amount of sneakers. I have how many I want to say, maybe like maybe a hundred pairs of sneakers. And that's a low end. When it comes and you live in New York, You've got no room for that. No one any work has been for all those shoes. It was just scattered around my crib.

Is just like like imagine like a pillar of sneakers, like a sneakers stack that goes from the floor to the ceiling. Just in the middle of the bathroom there's one, and then there's one in the in the sink, and then then on the bed there's another. There's just sneakers everywhere in my house. But I think that you know what a lot of people may be surprised to find out or maybe not actually at this point, is you know, sneakers these days can sell you know, upwards of four figures,

sometimes even five. We're talking, you know, thousands of dollars for a single pair of sneakers. And you know, everyone knows that Michael Jordan's is a big contributor to the rise of sneaker culture, but you know, there are a lot of other people who have since chimed in and contributed a bit. We're talking pop cultural icons from you know, movie stars to rappers and musicians and even actors sometimes have collaborations with big sneaker brands. So sneakers are all

of the fuss. But as much as I am a sneaker head, I don't know that I'm a sneaker expert. Well, if you had to guess, like if if truly the world was crumbling down you were fired from all twenty million of the jobs that you currently have, and you've had to sell all your sneakers, how much do you

think your entire collection is worth? And that may be a nosy question, but I gotta know it isn't known the Questionabiba, But you know you and I have have built a rapport enough that I'll answer as close as I can without making myself the target of a home invasion. Yes, my sneekret collection. Uh, I'm trying to figure out an interesting way to say this without snitching on myself. Let's just say I'd be able to live for a few

years relatively comfortably. Relatively comfortably, I'd be able to have a solid salary median incomes allary for a couple of years. I'll say that. Okay, now that is impressive, and you are very humble, but I know it rolling around in your head somewhere there's a number, so I'll leave your answer at that. Okay, I want to tell you a couple of sneakers I have, and I had to ask my husband for what they're even called, because I I just don't know, and he's like, no, no, you have

a good collection. So let me. I'm gonna say what I have and you tell me if you're impressed. Let's let's do it. I'm excited and ready. Yeah, I've got multiple pairs of Jordan elevens. Oh, okay, see the Jordan's For those who don't know, the Jordan eleven is. You know, Jordan has thirty four signature models plus like a bunch of Team Jordan's, and but the thirty four the main and of those thirty four, the most popular are probably the ones, the threes, and the elevens, And so the

fact that you have multiple pairs of elevens. As someone who claims to not be a sneaker head, I'm not buying the Olivia. I'm not buying it. Well, I also have the ones and the fours, but I gotta tell you, I get all these in boys sizes. I don't know why. I don't know why I have the boys sizes, but I have to get like a boy's large size. But so i have little boys Jordan's and then I've got a bunch of air Max nineties. I went through a big air MX nineties base. I think that they are

such an attractive shoe. I love that their platform. I get a couple inches off of them. In fact, here's a good story about air Max nineties. When I covered the Atlanta Hawks, Tapas Stepalosha was wearing them in games, and I remember thinking that was so odd, and I kind of did some research. I found out he was the only one who did it and the whole NBA.

Tapas Cefalosia the only one to where air Max nineties in games, And I asked him why and he kind of chuckled because they're not a very functional basketball shoe at all. And he laughed and he said, I'll do anything I can to get a couple extra inches under the rim. And I love that. I thought that was great. And in the last couple before you Chi, let me just say this, the air Max is not a basketball sneaker. So air Max line by Nike is more of a

lifestyle kind of comfortable, everyday type of shoe. That's the vibe, you know, running out the crypt to run errands, are going to the supermarket like air Max are just your everyday comfy sneaker. So for someone like me who knows a lot about sneakers to hear that an NBA player is wearing in air Max during a game, a shoe that it's not even intended to be jumped in and ran in, is is pretty crazy. So shout out to tabost Falosha for to my knowledge, not getting hurt on

the court in these nineties. That's very impressive in its own right. Oh no, that's the thing he had ankle is shoes all the time and people are always asking them change your shoes. And I'll tell you right now, it's probably because he was playing in Air Max. And yes, yes, and then the last couple just names that I have. And again I had to ask what these were because I don't know. The Nike Dunks and the Nike Blazers, Bessie, these are these are more iconic shoes. So the Nike

Dunks are a very classic shoe. The Nike Blazer as well, it's like a high top shoe. If you've ever seen the movie Like Mike, the Nike Blazer is the shoe that Calvin Cambridge got from off of the electrical wire that made him like Mike. Yes, those are the Nike Blazes. So wow, man, I feel like a nerd. I feel like a nerd just being schooled me on that take this information, give you fun facts. That's impressive. The Blazes. I have our Camo with a pink swoosh. They are

very cool. Okay, see, you were telling me you weren't a sneaker head, but you've got you've got some of the sneaker head cornerstone shoes. These are the staples of sneaker collecting. So I am very very impressive with your sneaker collection. Well, you are a sneaker head. I'm just a consumer, but we need a real sneaker expert. So let's bring on Josh Luper. Alright, Olivia, at this time,

I'd love to welcome in our special guest for this episode. He is the founder of stock X. He's also the ultimate sneaker head, as you can tell by the background right now on his video. But Josh Luber is with us. Josh, what's something? How are you? What's up? Thanks for having me. It is an honor to have you, and I guess we'll we'll start pretty basic here because Olivia, as she will certainly tell you in the moment, is not the biggest sneaker head. But just broad strokes here, how would

you describe what sneaker culture is to the layman? Wow? Is? So we're starting small, right? Yeah? Uh? You know, the really like interesting thing about that question is that, you know, in one we're at a time where maybe we don't even have to explain that anymore. You know, there was we spent so much of our lives as sneaker heads in this culture explaining to our friends and families and girlfriends and boyfriends and everyone else about trying to explain

what we do. And now it's it's culture, right, it's crossed over. You know, stock x is today somewhere between four or five times bigger than what we thought the entire resell sneaker market was when we started this business. And it's because that sneakers sit at the intersection of culture and commerce, and we never could have imagined what this would be like in the combination of those two things. You know, when we started stock X, Kanye had one

choo with Adidas, Virgil hadn't created a single shoe. There was no Travis Scott Nike deals, there was no you know, Drake Nike deals. Obviously I just went way deep into all this. But to ask that question, it's such a great way to to look at the evolution of all of this because I don't really see much of a distinction anymore between you know, sort of sneaker head culture and culture, like it's all just become one thing. And

how valuable is this sneaker industry? Right? Because you know, you and I have been sneaker heads for quite some time, and now that it's kind of permeated into what popular culture is, the value of it has grown immensely. How how valuable were talking here? The way to answer that is almost to think about the entire sneaker market. However,

you value the resale sneaker market. And there's been a lot of people that have spent a lot of time and money trying to to value at different investment companies, different financial institutions, what is that number, six, seven, eight, nine, ten billion. There's an estimate that you know, maybe it goes to twenty billion within the next five years. However,

I answer that question. There's a lot of variables that people could argue about, but what you can't argue about is that the retail sneaker market, the global sneaker market,

is over a hundred billion dollars. And as the two things have converged, as the primary and secondary markets have converged, as sneaker culture and popular culture has converged, that's really all we're talking about right now is just sneaker culture generally, because if someone goes on to stock X to buy a pair of shoes, they no longer care if it's a ret or resell. They just want the product and

they're willing to pay a certain amount for it. And that's kind of how we think about it now, both personally, how stock X how most of the people in the industry look at it, which is just, hey, this person wants a sneaker, where it comes from, and how we define that It's not really important to that customer. Now, when you're thinking about, you know, kind of the growth of sneaker culture. You know, from the days of being able to walk into a foot locker and just buying

the shoes right off of the wall. And then you know the period where they were you know, the intense lineups, right and you heard about all of these crazy stories, crimes happening and people lining up for days on end, and and then having to explain to people who didn't understand what was happening why people line up to you know what you've built now with stock x, you know, the biggest reseller from up streetwear and sneakers on the internet.

What do you make of what this whole journey has been? Like, you hit on a really important part, which is the

the historic goal black eye. You know, within this industry, Sports Illustrate Cover your Sneakers in your Life right appair of Jordan's fives and a gun, all the stories about people robbing each other for Jordan's even back then you know, even you know, kind of one of the most seminal moments around the Galaxy Phone release in All Star Weekend, all the campouts and riots and everything that's gone on.

The sneaker brands and retailers have done a really good job of cleaning that up, of creating a system of fair and equado distribution so that we don't have those scenarios anymore. It doesn't mean that the inherent demand and how strong that demand is and has become isn't doesn't still exist. We just now have a more structural process in which to to buy and sell those stock X. At the most most basic level, it's just about access.

It's just about making this shoe or sneaker or streetwear or or trading card available to anybody at a fair market price. And so that is the democrazation of consumer goods that it should be. In fact, this is maybe the closest thing we've had two way way back in the day when anybody could walk into the store and buy whatever they want off of the shelf. No, that doesn't exist anymore, and it hasn't existed for a really long time for all the reasons that that we know.

Because that demand is so high and everyone wants that product. So we've now kind of come full circle to that, you know, access for everybody. It just looks different because we're in an Internet age and we're at the point where sneaker culture pop culture have converged. So a lot of things have changed, but in a lot of ways, we've kind of come back to the most basic, which is that anybody can get that product if they want it. Well, Josh Speedy mentioned, I'm not a sneaker head, but I

can definitely appreciate the currency of it. It's such a you know, status symbol. Almost at this point, when do you think that happened? Like you mentioned back, it's available to everyone, but it's not. That's what makes a shoe more than a shoe, That's what makes this a culture. That's why you have such an important job. When do you think this became this lifestyle. There's been four really seminal moments in the history of sneakers and sneaker culture

becoming what it is today. You know, the first is just five and the first air Jordan's. The second is thousand, that's the Internet, eBay, you know, the first Jordan's that kind of creates it and now it's an underground, local kind of thing. This is obviously pre Internet Internet eBay. It's still a underground sort of thing, but at least it's now global available because of the Internet. Two thousand eleven,

two thousand and twelve. That's Galaxy Foam release and the All Star Weekend Concords at the end of two thousand and eleven. But really it was also Instagram going through its own hockey stick growth. Instagram had just been bought by Facebook. Everyone in the world was conversionally Instagram. You know, all sneaker ats ever wanted to do is show off the shoes they have and see what everyone else is wearing it. So Instagram allowed everyone to do that at scale.

Then the brand started using social media. That's the third big moment. And I think the fourth big moment is really stock x and and the businesses like stock x that just again democratize that access to that. So you have these four points that move it from this local, underground thing to a mainstream, global thing over that and so there's no sort of one moment. But as you see that that timeline is all about difference of access.

The demand is always there from the moment you put on, you know, a pair of shoes for Michael Jordan's, who's the most famous athlete in the world at the time, and then becomes the greatest basketball player of all time. You know, the demands there and keeps coming more and

more relevant. But you know, it's the access to everybody that that continues to keep people involved and engage, because if you truly couldn't ever get it, if you truly could, at some point everyone just just gives up and goes away and they don't care anymore. So there is that that element of how do I get it in or how much is it worth? Etcetera that becomes important for it. But that demand is inherent. It's still there anyway around those shoes. And by the way, I love that you

mentioned back in the day it was almost tough to explain. No, sorry, I was gonna say, I love the fact that we're already like knee deep and like the economics like lecture part of it. So yeah, I was gonna ask about your own trajectory in your career because you mentioned earlier it used to be hard to explain to your friends, your family what you even did for a living, and you started at IBM and then founded Campus and now stock X. So walk me through how you even got

so into this industry. I have the exact same story as you know every other forty three year old stinker head, right. I mean, I grew up, you know, playing basketball when Jordan played, I always wanted a pair of Air Jordan's. My mother would never buy me Air Jordan's. As soon as I got some money, I bought Air Jordan's. And we all have like the same story. And it's not even hyperbole. I mean, it's just it's just true. Anyone

of our era, anyone near our age. I mean, actually, if you were anywhere near our age, you either came up through basketball or through skateboarding, which were two pretty distinct groups, you know, back when I was in middle school in high school, and now all that is is converged. But so for me, it was it was a kind of a very linear path starting there. But I'm an entrepreneur first, and I started three companies before stock X

and Campus. They had nothing to do with sneakers, almost intentionally, so almost intentionally avoiding creating a business sneakers, so that I didn't create a business that was just an excuse to play with sneakers, and so it may be either you know, ironic or or inevitable that the company that was the most successful was the one where I was finally able to converge my personal passion with with the

business part of it as well. But I also thought, you know, there's a there's a lot of other external factors that that got to that point too. Now, Josh, you spoke about the story that is consistent with almost every sneaker head or sneaker collector ever, right, because I have the same story as well. Always wanted Jordan's, my

mom couldn't afford it, wouldn't buy it, whatever. But still, so many years later, there are a lot of people who just don't understand and can't wrap their heads around the fact that there are sneaker prices, you know, well into the three, four and sometimes even five figures. I've become exhausted trying to explain this to people. But maybe you can help us explain that why are there sneakers

that are so very expensive? It is exhausting. We've been talking about it for a while, and look, there's no question that it's ridiculous. All right, let's just put that out there. There's no question that you know. I mean, I'm sitting here in my sneak room and I have a pair of Carhart Jordan fource here that that I didn't buy, that I was fortunate enough to be to be given a pair. But you know that shoe is sold at one time for as much as thirty thousand dollars, right,

that's insane. But it's just supplying demand. And this is econ one oh one at its most most basic. And you know when those shoes sold for thirty thousand, it was a time when there were only ten that were released, so people thought they were only ten that exists. There was a collaboration between M and M and Jordan brands, So the demand is through the roof. The supply was

almost non existent with their only being ten. So thirty hours seems actually pretty cheap compared to the the what that price should be if there's only ten in the world.

And it's a collaboration with with Eminem and Jordan's. So this really is like economics that at its most basic, and you have to somewhat distance yourself from the fact that a pair of sneakers should cost a hundred hours because that's just an aniquated thought, like retail pricing for for sneakers, actually for any consumer good that's supply and demand driven, that has this construct of of limited supply and high demand that that people collect and value. The

retail price is a is an aniquated concept. You know, I spent years at at stock X trying to talk to the people at Nike and Adidas and the other brands, trying to get them to literally get rid of retail pricing, which, as you can imagine, goes over exactly as well as you think it did, but it's actually the right way to sell these products. And you you know, you spoke about the force, the eminem car hard force that you

have for thirty K and that is a collaboration. And we know that collaboration in the sneaker world is something that really takes a shoe to the next level. It's also sometimes the origin story of of brands, right like Jordan's at its core is a collaboration to some degree. They decided that they needed Michael Jordan, the most popular athlete in the world, to be a part of their brand, and that was Nike. Can you kind of just speak

to the intersection of sneakers and sports. Obviously, you know, athletes need to wear sneakers to be able to do their job, but just on a lifestyle perspective and on a business side, the importance of having you know, an eminem a DJ Khalid, a Lebron James, the importance of people like this being connected with some of the biggest sneaker brands in the world. I love the fact that you pointed out the fact that Jordan brand itself is a collab and that started that way because it's true, right.

I mean, you had Nike and Eric Jordan in the day, and I think a lot of people you know, gloss over that or don't realize that it was maybe the first true, you know, hype clab that existed. There's a ton of clabs that have not been done well. There's a ton that have sit on end up sitting on on sale shelves and our bricks in the parlance um. And so it's about those ones that truly hit, that are done right for the right reason, that have real

creative juice behind it. You can't just take the biggest names in the world and the biggest brands in the world and smash them together. And expect that it's gonna hip. That said, back to the point, it's just supply and demand.

So if you take two things that both have high demand and put them together and create something that is now more limited because these brands don't normally work together, you're creating something that you're there's a multiplier effect on the demand side, and the supply side is that much lower. And that's how you end up with some of these truly out just outsize pricing and just you know, crazy examples.

But at the core, the important point of any collab is the fact that it is the convergence of culture, right and where we started to before, the more people that are outside of the sneaker enertry that aren't in this direct line of site. Example, you know, Michael Jordan plays basketball, Lebron James plays basketball, So the great basketball shoes with Nike, that's easy. It's bringing in the cultural relevance.

And and Virgil Ablow and everything he's done with Nike is a perfect example of that of taking that way way beyond just the traditional viewpoint. Olivia, do you feel at all convinced to become a sneaker head yet or should we keep trying to convince you. I mean, I hear thirty thousand dollar shoes, and I just think of all the things I could buy with that. I mean, that's one broken bag, and I don't even think I want a broken bag, but that's like thirty three pairs

of Lubertan's. Well. Well, look, the thing about stock x is that, you know, it's evolved from you know, what we knew was just a place to go get cool sneakers to a place where you can get you know, designer items and and and purses and figurines and things like that. Josh, can you just kind of speak to the growth of stock x and how you call it the stock market of things? Yeah, you know, I'm I'm glad you brought that up. And for sure we don't

need to to convince you to buy thirty shoes. But there's there's products at every price point across the board at stock X, and it's really not about that. It

absolutely started that way. You know, I left stock x in September to create businesses in the trading card space, and trading cards are what's happening in trading cards today is almost identical to what was happening in sneakers as we were concepting what would become stock X, and it's the same people, it's the same plame, supply and demand constructor of Michael Jordan's the center of both of it.

And the reason I bring this up is because the vision for stock X, even from the very beginning, and the vision for the trading card businesses that I'm now involved in now, and even the entire trading card industry, it's the same thing. This concept of stock market of things is not about sneakers. It's about this unique model.

It's about this viewpoint that retail pricing is antiquated concept that we should understand supply and demand to understand what is the true market value, what is the true price of any consumer good. And so that's why we very quickly added watches and handbags. That was the first categories

that we added. In fact, you know, maybe we were just stupid, but we added watch in handbags before we added supreme and streetwear right And eventually we added Supreme and streetwear and it very quickly became, you know, the second largest category in the site. And then we added collectibles and cause and bare brick and other toys, and then trading cards, and even since I left, you know, the team has continued to to add products and has

a pretty deep electronics business there as well. All the consoles, the PlayStation and Xbox and all the periphery products around it. All of these come back to that same question on is these should be supply and demand priced products. And that's what's pockex is. That's what the stock market of things is. And it's a confusing concept, which is why we spent years out there talking about it. But that's

the real business. It's the model. And Josh, now you've made you know, you're speaking about this kind of shift that you've made into the trading card industry and you know, watching what's happening in that realm with you know, sports trading cards, which was you know, a hobby for a lot of people when they were younger, and then now this explosion of like sports, n f t s do

things like NBA Top Shot and stuff. Can you kind of just speak to how sports is playing a role in other industries besides just you know, ticket sales and

streaming and things like that. Yeah, you know I said it earlier for sneakers, but for trading cards also, I have the exact same stories every other year old card collector, which is we all collected cards in the eighties and nineties, we all left our cards under our parents basement for the last twenty five years as we grew up and went away and build a life, and we're all now coming back into that that hobby in that industry because you know, I'm just the perfect like every man from

that generation. Like when I was ten, the only two things I cared about in the world where sneakers and baseball cards, and there's a through line to two sports, you know, in that and a lot of the other collectible products that have been created recently around this n f T S and top Shot being kind of the most notable. Looks and feels like trading cards. You know, there's a pack element, there's an opening element, there's a

chase element to it. It is something very very different, but it is that through line of sports and trading cards, even though there's a huge trading card business in non sports. And in fact, I've been sitting here watching my my phone as I'm trying to win some eBay auctions right now for some Jimi Hendricks rookie cards, which is a whole another other story. But you know, sports being such a big part of it, It is back to the economics part of this. It is the demand part of it. Right.

We have this inherent demand that's been built around Eric Jordan's and the sport part of that, and trading cards and the sport part of that. And it's almost identical. Man. I would get hit up, you know, five six times a week from from friends saying, hey man, can you help me find those Jordan's we used to wear in high school? And today it's hey man, can you help me find Jordan rookies? Right, that's a through line to

to all of this. I've got to ask Josh, what is your favorite pair behind you or maybe within arms retriview. There's only about like five pairs within arm reach, and there's about five pairs in the room. You know that, you guys can't see the rest of it. Next to the next to the car heart is a pair of shoes that we had made out of Chicago's bulls, Jordan's jerseys and NBA basketballs. So it's a series of ten Air Jordan ones. We actually made it for the second

Complex Con. The first Complex Con that stock x head at a presence app and we gave away five of them and then we kept five of them. I kept one and everyone had it. But there was a good example of, you know, again the kind of convergence of all of this, but the shoes extraordinary because you know, the quality was amazing. And there's one of the ten that is made of all NBA basketball. The whole thing

is NBA basketball, which is super cool. But this is the one that was in my size, got some of the red and white stripe pulls, jersey and NBA basketball on itself, and that that one is priceless. There's no there's no price one on. That one's the only so it's a one of one. Well, I will say, I think the collection behind you is just beautiful, and thank you so much. My mind is pretty blown right now.

This is about sneaker one oh one, the economy of it, the social importance of it, the way it kind of reflects our own history and culture is so fascinating me. So honestly, thank you so much. I learned a lot and my friends are going to be very impressed as I rattle some of this back out. Thank you, Thanks for having me. I appreciate well Olivia. Josh obviously was

great as we expected, and he spoke very vaguely at times about the price of shoes. He didn't want to get too in depth with it. But I thought, you know, being that you were so much intrigued by the prices, why they're so expensive? Yeah knows he maybe. I figured maybe I'd throw a few pairs of shoes actually not literally but metaphorically here so that you can try to guess what the price of them is. I want to be bad. Are you nervous to do this? The price

is right, let's do it. Well. I decided, because we are a sports podcast, to do sneakers that are somehow tethered to athletes or program So I've got four of them, and we'll start with Lebron's first signature shoe. It's called the Nike air Zoom Generation. And just for the sake of this, since we had Josh, we're going to go based on stock X prices. If you wanted to buy Lebron's first ever shoe in a size ten, which is my size, how much do you think it would cost?

Right now? Can I phone a friend? You can, but you may want to use that for my friend for a more difficult. I've got four of them and this is the first one, so maybe you want to save it two d Why two hundred? Why that rate? Because you made it sound like the best is yet to come. So I'm going to guess that you're starting me low. Okay, well I am starting you low. It's not quite two hundred bucks. It is a bit more than that. But

I thought that you were going to oversell these. You can buy them right now in the size ten on stock X for three hundred and eighty three dollars, So not horrible. God, but what you're already saying, Oh that was horrible. It was almost half Do you think this is too much? I mean, look, I buy shoes that have Commas in them, Like, I get it, but I have a hard time imagining that a sneakers that much. But again, I'm learning here. This is an educational episode

for me. I will say, what a flex that is to say that I buy shoes with a comment it that's hard. That is a flex for sure, alright here. But they're worth it. They're worth it. Yeah you're talking high designer, you know, I'm sure luxury goods these are, but they're also they're what I call I need to take an uber to the front door of the restaurant because I can't walk in the table that every close

to the host to stand. I've seen my sisters try to make it through the restaurant and appear of Lubotan's. It doesn't always go that well. But let's on rolling here. This shoe that I'm asking about now is a University of Kentucky pe Pe is an acronym for player exclusive, so not everyone can get them. These were made solely for the players, and at one point they were won by Drake when he came to their version of Midnight Madness, which I think they called Blue Madness, but I'm not sure.

But this is a pair of shoes called the Air Jordans eight retro Kentucky Madness. He e, what is the average resell price of the Kentucky Jordan's eights? Do you think on stocks? I'm gonna guess because Drake is attached to them now and I feel like everything Kentucky does is gold. I rack Kentucky Blue on these. I'm gonna guess five bucks. I loved the Drake bar that you just dropped. You guessed five hundred, but you missed a key mentioned. I told you that they were a player exclusive,

which means they're super limited. Do you want to give it another goal so you can't get them? Shoot? Um. Seven hundred and fifty dollars is roughly of what the actual average resale price of these are on stock x. The average resale price, as Olivia's Joe has dropped to the floor, is seven thousand dollars. No, yes, okay, I'm sorry. Like again, there are so many more valuable things you

can do with seven thousand dollars. You can invest in the stock market, for example, and really set yourself up. Why would someone buy those? Sometimes you just want to look fly, you know, sometimes you just want to look like money. Let's take it over to the tennis court. This is a pair of shoes from Roger Federer. They're called the Nike Zoom Vapor Air Jordan three white Cements. So as a clap between Roger Federer and Air Jordan's obviously two very very high profile athletes, size ten my side.

If you wanted to buy him right now on sty X, how much would they run you? Olivia? What do you think? Is it four digits? So you gotta give me some I can't give you that. I can't give you that. Okay, then I'm going to go seven fifty again and I just be like, that is what an expensive sneaker would cost. But I'm not good so far. Well, Olivia, seven fifty

is close enough to give you the point. I'm gonna say that's you're right here, because these are seven hundred and eighty five dollars in a size ten if you wanted to borrow right now on st X. Okay, Now, let's see if I can hold serve. What's the fourth Here we go the fourth one. Let's go to the baseball diamond. Derek Jeter has a collaboration with Jordan's brand on a Jordan's eleven, a shoe that you own. Yeah, this is a Jordan Derek Jeter edition right now on

stock X. How much? Okay? Can I use my phone a friend on this one? To someone who's standing in the kitchen. You can't for it? Hey, some I'm standing in the kitchen. Derek Jeter Jordan eleven sized ten on stock X. How much of that retail for? Not? Retail? Resell, re sell? Final answer fifteen thousand was what your friend said. Your friend is someone good friend. Your your friend was someone who knows a thing or two about sneakers, who's been signed to some major sneaker deals. He is close.

He is very very close close. The average resell price on stock X right now it's eighteen thousand, two hundred and fifty seven dollars. Very close from Sam over eighteen thousand dollars. Good job, Honey, good job, Thank you, Sam. Shout out to Sam, who is your husband and again a professional basketball player, Olivia, I don't know that you would have gotten remotely close to guessing that Eric Peters

Jordan's are eighteen thousand dollars. That's disturbing. Come on again, put it in the stock market, kids, and not into stock X, but stock market instead. Well, guys, we are wrapping up with this week's lions Lock, where our guru from bet MGM, Peter Andrew, if you all of the insider knowledge about which picks are worth your money, which ones they may want to hold off one. Well, we're

wrapping things up with this week's lions Lock, where our guru and at this point honorary co host from bet MGM, Peter Andrew, gives you all of the insider knowledge about which picks are worth your money and which ones you should hold off on. Peter, Welcome back to the show, which is at this point never seen a single episode without you. How's everything and how was the week in

sports betting? Yeah, thanks for having me again, guys. Everything great, obviously an amazing Masters week, so nice to get funny. We get back to some normalcy there. But now we're on that stretch, you know, going towards NBA and NHL playoffs, so it's about to get exciting. Looking like mid May we'll have the kickoff playoffs, so really it's a grind from here. Is there something that people should be looking out for when it comes to this upcoming week? Yeah? Absolutely.

I think you look at the top of the East in the NBA with the Nets and the Sixers now tied for first place. Team like the Sixers, I think twelve of their last nineteen games are all at home, where NETS is almost the opposite. So Sixers have a pretty decent opportunity of getting that number one seed, whichild be huge for the playoffs. Obviously, positioning themselves against some of the weaker teams in the East as they go through I think would be really important. But when you

talk about just this week specifically. Obviously we had a tilt on Wednesday between the Nets and the Sixers, but they come right back at it against the Clippers on Friday. I think this is a real test to where they can be in and how they can shape up come playoff time. So I love the Sixers here. They're at

home against a really good Clippers teams. You know they'll have their their Friday best, and I think it would be a nice exciting matchup, especially as we get in Tony Peter, as we do get into May and playoff season. What are some other ways than maybe the more obvious

ones that people think of where they can put their money. Yeah, so it's there's always obviously the day to day betting, and there's the features, but I personally like the some of our more binary markets, like team to make a playoff run or team to make the playoffs, I should say, So you know, you get a team that's on the fringe, maybe like the Knicks, that you think will get in. I think that's a decent way to put your money. You're rooting for them to kind of wrap up the

best way possible. And then certainly just our one game parlays, so where you're really putting your kind of knowledge to what players are actually doing with it a game, not just betting on the actual outcome of games. So Lebron to score twenty five points in a D two have ten rebounds, I think those are the most exciting bets. We're really rooting for specific player prob and what they're

gonna do in that given game. In same in the MLB, with you know, down the stretch finish, and we're so early in the MLB season, But what teams do you think are already undervalued or maybe overvalued? Well, on the undervalued side, I think you'd have to probably stick with

the two New York teams. They've they've definitely started off not so great Yanks specifically, but certainly Mets are kind of in that similar situation, So certainly I think there's some room for improvement there, and then maybe on the overvalued side, I'm still not sold on the On the Cincinnati Reds, I think they've started pretty decently. I think, you know, by the time of recording this, there's something like six and two, But but certainly think things will

level out a bit as the season goes on. Central has a couple of decent teams, Cardinals. I think Cubs still have a legitimate shot to be in there in September. Yeah, it'll be interesting over the next couple of months, especially as we get into summer. Now, Peter, regardless of sport, is there maybe a team or a player that's just kind of been someone that's been leading you to the prom saying when it comes to bet, someone who's somebody to keep their eye on as people are deciding where

to put their money. Yeah. So when we talk about NFL season, I'm a huge and Honors fan. It was always for him moster, But now that we've gotten into NBA season, James Harden bet him a couple of times to record triple doubles, which you're getting a plus a thousand or plus twelve hundred kind of bet with him.

I think that's that type of player that really leads you through and wins you quite a quite a handful of money on certain games, and we know how often he has the opportunity potential to get a triple double. So that's a bet I always like to take. So I'm gonna keep riding that storm through the playoffs and then any predictions on some upsets that you think may happen as the NBA playoffs get closer. Is there a team that you know you're just thinking is not going

to pan out the way most people think they will. Yeah, there's a few teams as as much as I just talked up Hard and I still think the Nets will potentially loose to the Sixers in these conference finals. So that's one that I'm really I'm really pinpointing. I just think the the size of the Sixers, I just don't think the Nets will match up well against them. So I'm probably going to don't put your money with the Nets, is what you're saying. Just put it on Hard and

not with the Nets. Yeah, obviously the Nets are a really really good team, basically have a big six now if you talk about Aldridge and Blake Griffin when he's healthy, and obviously the Big three. But it's something about that Sixers team. I think they're just they're hungry, and I think they just have a little bit at um that size that that can end up being a matchup nightmare for the Nets. And then on the on the West Coast side, I'm not sold at all on the Lakers. Obviously,

eight and Ron still hurt. They're coming really coming back soon. But I really like this Clippers team. I just don't think there's a lot of depth on this Lakers team. So I'm gonna I'm gonna go against probably the Grain again there, but I'm gonna say Clippers in the finals and and upsetting the Lakers. Very very interesting. Okay, Peter Andrew, thank you so much for your insight as always. Thanks, guys,

really appreciate it. Well, that is our show. Hopefully you can go now and impress all your friends with your sneaker knowledge. I know I'm going to try. Make sure to check out all of the action from bet MGM, follow them everywhere at bet MGM, and please leave a review of the show on Apple Podcasts and follow us wherever you listen to podcasts.