Mike Renner Talks NFL Draft Day Preview

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least tweeted about boxing. So this is gonna be amazing and the antitions patient is crazy. But my favorite sport. Your husband's pedigree is on full display right now. The NBA playoffs are in full swing. I'm watching every game, Olivia. Are you watching? What do you think I am watching? It's so exciting because you know, there's no Lebron, there's no Kauai, there's no some of this stars that we thought we'd see. But we've got plenty of stars left. And I like a guy like Anthony Edwards. This has

been his coming out party. The Timberwolves are really peaking at the right time. They have my interest. I am in on the Timberwolves, and I got to say, honest, as a comedian, I had to bring this up with you. My dad was on the call and that play in game versus the Clippers when that lady glued herself to the court, and you may need to watch your back because I think he made a pretty hilarious joke. Let's

roll that in What's take? So, Joannest, what are you so passionate about that you would do something like that, like what's a cause? Because for her it was something about chicken. What was it for you? Well? First off, shout out to Kevin Harlan. I mean, the kid has comedic timing. I mean, perfect, perfect joke, perfect time, kind of diffuse the situation. Glad he saw the humor in it, because that was one of the funniest things I think

that's ever happened at a basketball game. Obviously, you don't want fans doing things like that, but she did do it, and in retrospect, I mean, it's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen a human being do. I don't know what her cause was, but I mean, you know it was stupider than the cause was. What she decided to do. She judge glue herself to the court. I am so passionate about Sam Decker being in the NBA

that I will run out on the court. I will run out on the court with a I love Sam Decker signed with my shirt off, and I will get a tattoo. I will say Team Decker, hashtag Team Decker on my chest and streaked like it's the movie Old School right across the court, and have your dad who's calling that game, pretend that he doesn't know who I am and I don't work with his daughter. That's the That's what I that's the extent I want to go to to get Sam Decker back in the NBA. I'm

sick of this, yes, especially about to be a new father. Yeah, I agree. I would glue myself to the court too for that one. Okay, so who are you cheering for it? I don't know who your team is when the Knicks are out of it. I'm a free agent. I'm a free agent. I'm an absolute free agent. Just an admirer of the game of basketball. I gotta say right now, I am. I'm loving the way the Heat or plant

I am loving. It's just old school pat Riley, top of the food chain defense that we're seeing, just gnarly defense. They look like they're in sync. I really like the Heat. I think the Heat are gonna go all the way. I think they're coming out of the East and I think they're winning it. They beat Golden State in the finals. I'm calling it early shocking the world. Okay, I like it. I like the Heat. Tyler Hero, you know, as a

guy from Milwaukee, a Wisconsin guy. And speaking of which, we've got another Wisconsin guy coming on the show in a bit. It's Mike Renner from Pro Football Focus. He's gonna get us ready for the NFL Draft. That's just a week away. I can't wait. You know, Janna's eight teams do not have a first round pick. This is a very weird draft. Their speculation that there's not going to be a single skill player taken in the top ten,

so we've got to pick myke sprain about that. But it's gonna be a big day regardless that first day for the two New York teams, as the Jets have picks number four and ten and your giants Joanna's have picks five and seven. Exciting. Yeah, hopefully, um we get some online help. I can't wait to talk to Mike about that. We need some big boys. We need some guys. I know the scouts look at everything, hopefully looking at guys who like to eat a lot of McDonald's, a

lot of fast food, and their big bodies. We need a couple three four pound guys to at least give whoever's quarterback I assume it's gonna be Dangel Jones a little chance to try to throw that ball. Do you have any big, hairy Greek cousins who live in the area who could help the amount? I mean, you gotta have someone, you know, I have one, My cousin vacities. But you know, he likes cigarettes and coffee a little bit too much, you know, So I don't know if

I don't know. You know, he's about six four, but you know, yeah, I think his lungs are about eighty years old, so he's not available. Okay. I didn't know if they could really get the draft entirely and just go get your cousin vacilli. Does that? You say it? Yeah, you can't. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna work out. No, yeah, no, I mean this draft is crazy, like last year. Last year was a sexy draft. There were so many quarterbacks. We definitely knew Trevor Lawrence's going number one, and we

really kind of knew the top three. This year, there's not a lot of people agree on, Like, no one knows the number one overall pick. The quarterbacks are waying not so exciting, and there's so much to talk about though, so we got to get a draft expert on. But before we get to football, we've got a lot to talk about in the NBA. There's a lot of news this week, a lot of opinions this week, honest, and you know you and I are not short on opinions. It's time to unleak. Let's do it. I was waiting

for you to go n Look. One of the best games we saw so far was Game one between the Celtics and Nets. Oh my gosh, was that good. We knew this was going to be an incredible series. After all, the Nets are not a typical seven seed. They are much better than that. But already this series has given us an instant classic. Jayson Tatum gave the Celtics their first ever buzzer beater in playoff history. I cannot believe that. How is that possible? That spin move at the end,

that was gorgeous. Kyrie nearly carried the Nets to a Game one win. Katie kind of have an off game. Yeah, Kyrie had thirty nine points, but it was after the game all anybody wanted to talk about was how he got into it with fans. Kyrie has become a polarizing player this season, you know, on the road, all the stuff with the vaccine, but especially in Boston where he left them after saying he would plan to stay on in Boston. But this game it seemed way too personal,

really personal. The fans were letting him have it, and you know, he let him have it to He had thirty nine points, like I mentioned, six assists, two middle fingers. Not a bad So have a listen to what he said after the game. So if some somebody's gonna call me out of my name, I'm gonna look at them straight in the eye and see if they really bout it. Most of the time they're not. I gotta read to

that point. Do you feel like the hostility that you get still, let's not let's not focus on this, like ask me questions about the game, like it's not about the fans. The fans aren't playing from a basketball standpoint, Yeah, you feel like the hostility you get, there's no hostility, bros. Basketball. Well, you were flicking people off. I'd say that some hostility from what what? What point are you guessing that that's hostility?

Are Like? Hostility for me is like growing up. Well, we've never seen that from you this season where you are running down the floor flicking people off. It's the first time you actually caught it. Because it's a big time game. I respond in different ways, you know what I'm saying. I'm not trying to focus on that. If you want to ask me a question about the fans go ask them, go on the street and ask them questions. Right,

but I'm asking from your perspective, from basketball perspective. Do you feel like the hostility that you get not hostility, bro, Do you feel like the energy you get from fans in this building? Embrace it from you? Embrace it. Embrace it. It's the dark side, embrace it. So look, I think he wants to be the villain. I do, and that is such a role. It's the heel, right. I think he likes it, but then he has to explain himself after. And you know, Katie is kind of sensitive. Kyrie is reactionary.

It's almost like when someone and honestly, I know you know what I'm talking about here, when someone comments or d ms you something really mean on social media. This happens to me and you respond. They always come back really nice, you know what I mean, Like, oh, I'm so sorry, I'm a big fan. I didn't think you'd respond. It's like, well, why do you just call me a

horrible name or whatever. It's just classic group think. Whether it's behind your keyboard or you're in the same jersey as a bunch of people in the stands, you get bolstered by this group. Think. So I don't like fans getting nasty, and I think Kyrie has suffered enough this year with a vaccine nonsense. It's okay to boo, it's okay to cheer against a player or a team, of course, but people are nasty and they take it way too far.

And it followed him into the locker room, like fans who somehow have access down there, we're still heckling him on the way into the locker room. So look, I've heard it even as a sideline reporter. I'm not a player on either team. I've heard horrible heckling from drunk, middle aged men in the stands. To me, people are just weird at games. They're drunk, they're charged. It's this macho energy in the air. And let's face it, Boston fans are not known for being tasteful or fair. Sorry

Boston listenership, but you know that's your reputation. So this is going to be very interesting to watch it continue to play out this week. I'm on team Kyrie here just because the fans can be so nasty. It's not fair that these highly successful, driven specimen of human beings one percent type people and I'm talking about the athletes that they have to sit there on their hands, stay quiet and classy when some low life are yelling at them drunk at a game wearing a jersey with another

man's last name on the back. Do you hear what I'm saying? Honest? Do you agree? I hear what you said. I hear what you're saying, great unleashed. Look, I'm gonna piggyback off of what you're saying because it really struck a chord with me. As a comedian. You know, I postings online all the time. People comment, they say horrible things. I do comedy. We get heckled all the time. It happened to me the other night in Phoenix, and it's just awful. And sometimes you cave into it and you

you realize that you should have ignored it. Sometimes you respond and you smashed the person, especially when you're performing live, which is what is relevant here, and it works. But when you're a basketball player, Look, I can't argue with what Kyrie did because his stat line was impeccable, so I'm not gonna say it affected his play at all. Also, Boston fans, to agree with you are the absolute worst they take it too far. I don't know what they were saying. And look, I get I agree. I think

it's fine that Kyrie responds. If it doesn't affect his game, it doesn't affect the team. I don't know what happened in the locker room there, but all I know is Boston fans they are the worst. But you know, you do have kids watching, You do have kids in stands. You have kids who didn't hear or say what Kyrie was reacting to. So throwing up the middle fingers. He has to remember, you know, this is not a comedy club, it's not the Late Show. You know, he's making up

scene gestures. He's obviously gonna get fine for that. I would recommend that. I'm sure the coaching staff is telling him, You've got to ignore it. Alright. The only birds I want to see in Boston are Larry and that's about it. I mean, you shouldn't be flipping the bird during a playoff game when millions of people are watching, so, you know, and it's always something with Kyrie, that's the thing. It's just like, like I said, I get it, but because

I'm a comedian, I can empathize. But with Kyrie. It's just always something outside of basketball. And I don't know if that's a distraction for the team. I don't know how Katie feels about that, because Katie's a guy who likes to just put his head down and grind and when and Kyrie wants to talk about vaccines, about whether the Earth is flat, and about Boston fans all the time, and god knows whatever else he's talking about. So they're in a dog fight right now. The Boston Celtics are

for real. And so look, somebody slipped Kyrie irving some iver mecton to chill him out and get him back focused. And really the war is not with the Boston fans. You're a professional athlete. I mean that happens all the time at adversaries stadiums. Look, I think if he if they win, he's vindicated. Oh it's Kyrie, That's just how he is. Like I said it, stat line is impeccable. If they lose, you're gonna see a lot of people going like, you know, Kyrie is a distraction, and that

some of those people might be his teammates. You know, it's it's all the press is talking about. It's all he was doing during the game. So I think this depends on the outcome of the series, but it's not a good look to flip the bird to do that in the middle of the game when cameras are on you. So Kyrie, just chill ou and place some hopes. Just know you're in Boston, dude. You know, sometimes you gotta know when to ignore them, and this is one of

those times. The best way you can deal with Boston fans and Boston crowds is to ignore them and punish them with your play. So I'm pulling from the Brooklyn Nets because they're playing Boston and I hate Boston in retrospect. It really sucks they got this draw. It really sucks that, you know, getting the play in and the seventh seed, like they probably are just like damn, and now we have to go to Boston. And they knew this was gonna be a thing like this is yeah, this is rough.

They they should have tried to, I don't know change that at the end, but they had to play themselves in. They had to get here. So it'll be very interesting to watch the record on Tuesday. Boston's up one game nothing. They play again Wednesday. But this is gonna be a fiery first round series. I love this, but yeah, just before we get to our guest, let's get to our bad beat winner of the week. I'd bet all the week it goes to acts. Oh, this is a good one.

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Mike Runner. Okay, Mike. It's fair to say that there was a lot more interest in last year's draft. We pretty much knew the top three picks. Obviously, the trait lance thing was kind of a curveball, but we had so much information on this quarterback heavy class. But look, you could argue that this draft is actually more exciting because we really don't know the first pick, let alone what comes after that. I know you think it's Aidan

Hutchinson to Jacksonville. Can you explain that prediction? Yeah, I agree with that that I honestly think this draft is more intriguing. I get that there's less interests. Eight teams without a first round pick. That's obviously gonna drive that down. But I might not get a single pick right in my mock draft. That's how crazy this draft could go. Because I think it's gonna be Aidan Hutchinson. I think

he should be the numb one overall pick. He very well may not be the They can fall in love with Trayvon Walker, the Georgia ed rusher and sort of the physical tools that he has. Because I mean, for two hundred seventy pounder, he's more athletic or tested out more athletic at least than someone like Myles Garrett, who obviously you know as an elite edge rusher in the NFL.

But I think it's gonna be a Hutchinson because one that Jacksonville staff mainly tread bulky at GM who everyone you know, every Jags fan was calling for his head all off season. One of him gone, the clown mass, the clown emoji's all over Twitter that you saw calling for him to be gone. He needs to hit on this pick. You know, he doesn't have to wait for a Trayvon Walker to develop. He doesn't have that time. You need the best player. You need a guy who's

gonna impact in two. To me, that's Adan Hutchinson. He was the best defensive player in college football last year and to the high ceremony, and like his athleticism itself is getting slept on. In my opinion, he's a high end agility athlete for the position. His three cone his short shuttle at the combine were elite times for a guy his size. In fact, like he had the second best wait adjusted three cone his combine started since we've been tracking Combay data since two thousand. Number one of

that list is J. J. Watts. That's good company to be in athletically if you're talking about a guy that no one overall picks. So that's my take on it, But like I said, I still have no idea if they're actually going to go through with that. The first QB you have going is Malik Willis from Liberty going sixth overall to Carolina. What separated him from the pack in your opinion, what are you here to justify that?

It's the tools, it's arm strength. I mean, whether it's on tape, you see it from the pocket, outside the pocket, wherever you wanted. He also the fastest Miles Prower at Senior Bowl, fast Miles Prower at the combine the dude as can So he has that and he also can run his mobile and he broke more tackles than Kenneth Walker did last year at Liberty. And yeah, it's a

lower level of competition, but he is elusive. He is going to be in that tier one of runners at the quarterback position, like like a Josh Allen, like a Kyler Murray. And what he can add on to your running game. But what he can do is a scrambler. So those are good starting points for a quarterback. You've also seen him make improvements over the course of his career. He takes to coaching well, is a good kid by

every measure. You saw the picture of him at the combine giving homeless man is sneakers like he He is by all accounts, a guy you want to bet on going forward. And that's what the NFL drafts highlight, and that's what the NFL covets is the guy that can take you to the highest end. Like if you're in the A s C right now with an average quarterback trying to go up against DeShawn Watson, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes,

you don't have a chance. Joe Burrow like, you need the high end players, so he brings those to the table where other guys in this quarterback class may not. Now, to be fair, you don't think there's any reason to take him or any quarterback higher than six because quarterbacks typically get overdrafted. Yes, they get overdrafted. They're going to be overdrafted this year's draft. This is the lowest we're gonna have the top quarterback on the PFF draft boards.

Since we started doing draft boards in we haven't had a quarterback lower than ten. That was Mr Robiskie back twenty that seventeen draft, and we're gonna have Milik Willis. I think he's twenty seven, and that's the first quarterback

on the PF after Alfward. So we are decided lululo on this quarterback class last year, like we talked about last yep, top, I think five quarterbacks would have gone before Milik Willis last year, like Mac Jones would have still gone before Malik Willis if he was in last year's class. You mentioned Mr Drabinsky. He obviously signed with the Steelers. They have some big shoes to fill with Big Ben retiring. But do you think they're interested in

still taking a quarterback in the first round? Maybe let Canny Pickett stay put at that facility? Oh, they're interested. I mean we were down at the Senior Bowl watching Mike Tomlin hawking these quarterbacks, following their every move. He's reportedly taken every single one of the top guys out to dinner prior to their pro days. He has been watching these guys doing all the due diligence possible. Now do they still take one TBD. I mean, like he could do all that due diligence and come on the

fact that they all stink. That's a very real possibility in this quarterback class. But I do think that any of these guys I'd rather have the Mr. Biscuit at this point compared to what they have on the foster. That still might be an upgrade, even if it's a quarterback three in this draft class. Yeah, nice, I just wanted to clarify. You said Malik Willis. He's a good guy, no red flags, so he's like a good guy like Johnny Manziel or Deshaun Watson. Just teams are ready for him.

He's yeah, he doesn't Well, I guess, I guess the Shawan didn't actually have any red flags coming out, so you never know that. I will say, yeah, but he by all accounts is not going to get jamed for that at this point in time. So your top five picks are all defensive events and offensive tackles That won't get an average NFL fan too excited. However, that can change a team in a season. Uh, can you give us a sales pitch that should get these fans exciting

about the players you're having going top five. The sales pitch I give for positions like that and especially offensive tackle, is to look how much those guys get paid on

their second contracts. They get paid one plus mill million dollars for average above average guys in the offense tackle position, because there's only about twenty five guys in the in the world right now who are six ft five with thirty four inch arms that can move in mirror Von Miller's of the world, So there's not enough to go around.

Everyone needs one. And so if you draft a guy like an offensive tackle, if you draft one of those guys top five and he's good, you're saving yourself twenty million dollars that you don't have to pay that guy in free agency. And again you're getting something that every single team in the NFL needs. And that's why I have them going high is because you can count on one hand the amount of fan bases that are happy with both of their offensive tackles, their left and right tackle.

And that's with the NFL today, with the passing game as it is, everyone needs that position. So that's that's my sales pitch for teams for fan bases that might want to sexier position like wide receiver, but invest in the offensive line. It'll pay off dividends. Alright, Mike, you're you're preaching to the choir. I'm a Giants fan. They have the fifth pick, and uh so, talk to me. Are we gonna have a winning season? You know what firsthand?

Then you've seen they You know they signed Kenny Golladay. You draft to Darius Sony, you think, oh, look at this high powered offense and your quarterbacks plans back and it goes nowhere. That is why you invest in the old line first, and then you get those other pieces around, and then all of a sudden, we'll start to look good. Now, well they have a winning season. I'm not gonna go that far just yet. I love the coaching staff, the front office they've put together there. I do think there's

still a few years away. They have to pay for the sins of the past. What Dave Gettlman left there was an abomination, truthfully, the roster mis management, the cat mismanagement, how much they're paying mediocre players right now is obviously why he's not there anymore. So I think there's still a couple of years away. But I believe in this staff to get the job done. I'm not gonna come out here and Gas retires. Be honest. I can't lie

to you. I can't lie to you. It makes for a long season on this show, and every week we're having to talk about the giant star now onto a real franchise. I'm a Packer fan, and everyone knows that we need receivers, although knowing Aaron Rodgers, I don't think he gives trust very quickly to young guys, let alone rookies. And we have the twenty second pick. I know you put Cristal Lave there from Ohio State as one of the most pro ready receivers, but what about filling that

need in free agency? What's your overall take on what the Packers are going to do at that position? Oh man, I really wish I could tell you what the Packs is gonna do at that position, but I've been wrong so often with them. I'm a Packers fan as well, originally from Milwaukee, so I have been begging for a wide receiver. Knew I heard a little accent to Milwaukee. Yes, yeah, I was like Key Higgins at the back end of the first round. No brainer, they go. Jordan's love last year,

I'm like, this is a loaded wide receiver class. They go cornerback. I think this is the year they finally pulled the trigger. I mean they quite literally have to. With Davante Adams no longer there anymore, they need to just fill out the receiving corps. But I think after signing Sammy Watkins, who say what jew will about him, he's still a competent number two, number three type of

wide receiver. After signing Sammy Watkins, I think they're good there to just they're gonna take one wide receiver in this class. It will be in the first round, second round. I don't know. But what they have coveted when they do draft wide receivers, which isn't awful. The last time they use the top I believe top was Davante Adams back. They draft size, whether it's you know, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, throughout their history, those are two hundred plus pound type

of wide receivers or just thickly built. Even Randal Cobb for a shorter wide receiver, is still well built. So that's their type. Guys like you know George Pickens, Trailing Burke, George Pickins and Georgia, Trailing Burks from Arkansas, sky More from Western Michigan. Those are guys who fill that mold in terms of the size they usually covered. So those are the names I would keep an eye out when

they do draft wide receiver. I say, when hoping that they do, but TB D and if they actually follow through on that, because my gosh, on paper, right now, that's a bottom three wide receiver corps in the NFL, which is just horrible. After all the drama of getting Aaron Rodgers back and again he's very trigger shy. He's not going to throw it to anyone. In fact, he's gonna make you earn it. It just makes me very nervous for the remaining years of Aaron because it feels

like we kind of missed our window. We could go on a whole packer tangent right now, but that's what it looks like to be. That's why I think if I had to pick any two wide re series, it would be George Pickens or sky More because they have the best hands in the draft class. He's gonna trust the guy who's going to be where he needs to be and has good hands. If he's gonna trust anyone

out the gate, that's it would be. But you're a hunter saying correct, like his m O is two or three years before he's even looking your way in that offense. So that's why I think it might be ugly out the gate here, Pikes, you honest were in for a long season. Yeah. Well, I'm a Giants fan, so I'm used to it. It's still in the North, that still in the NFC North. Yeah, that's our best, our best asset. Do you think there's a chance we don't see a skilled player drafted in the top ten. I know Peter

King floated that idea this week. You think that's possible. I think it is because of where the strength this class lie, whether it's offensive tackle edge, which we just talked about, and then cornerback as well as very strong and very thin compared to wide receiver, where wide receivers deeper,

and we see it every year. You know, this team's drafting at the top of the draft can also find a good guy in the top of the second round, whether it's you know, like those Elijah Moore last year, it's Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman two years ago, Depot Samuel Even the year before that count still falls at that position that can be game changing talent into the second round,

whereas often to tackle Edgic doesn't. So like the teams I would look out if anyone is going to pull a trigger on a wide receiver, Atlanta at number eight or the Jets at number ten, those are the two teams. I don't think anyone else is really even realistically and played the draft. That being said, are there any receivers like the ones you've mentioned who could have an immediate impact like we've seen the last couple of years with a Justin Jefferson, a Jamaar Chase or are those just

such rare cases? I think those are rare cases that the wide receiver one in this class, to me, it's Jamison Williams, Alabama wide receiver. Yeah. Him having the A c L obviously kind of puts that one to bed in terms of him making the media impact. Wide receiver two is Drake Leondar from usc And while I love him translating to the NFL, love his ball skills, the size, he's not very fast. You know, Jefferson ran four for one. I believe Jamar Chases in the four three is like

those guys who are explosive athletes. I think those are more rare cases. I would put this entire wide receiver class behind the top three last year that came off the board and Chase Waddle and Davante Smith. I think all these guys are step behind them. But there are a lot of guys in that tier that are step behind. So I think you get some productive guys, but I don't see anyone going yards, you know, from day one

type of number one wide receiver. So Mike, Jameis and Williams obviously tours a c L in the National Championship Game. There are questions about his health. Although guys come back from a c L tears all the time, but he may not be ready by the start of the season. Is that going to hold some teams back with that lower his draft status. I think it will some teams. You know, some teams, while obviously are on the side of caution when it comes to injuries and look elsewhere,

but not too much. I think a lot of people are gonna look at kind of the most recent scenario of this, where Jeffrey Simmons towards a c L, the Titans defensive tackle on the free draft process slips to nine team and if you redrafted that draft class, he'd be a top five pick. You know, he's the top

defensive tackle easily from that draft class. So I think a lot of teams are regretting that and seeing that the draft it's not just a year one decision, it's a long term decision at this point, four months out. With the medical rechecks here this month, you know where you don't whereas recovery is going to go after an A c L. You know whether he's going to have complications, have issues, and which none have been flagged yet, which is why I think you've seen him move up boards

and mock drafts or not. So his timeline puts them towards the middle, like realistically early the middle of next season to actually be on a football field. But even then, I would draft that guy as the wide deep one this class. I would take him as you know, a top ten player from the falcons of the Jets. I'd be willing to pull the trigger on a guy like that because speed like he has game breaking speed, it

never lasts long in the NFL draft. And compare him to guys like Henry Ruggs or Darius Heyward babe, who have been top ten picks and years past. He's got much much better tape. Don't need to bring it back to the Giants, But I mean, you know, I'd be remiss if we had you on here and I didn't ask this question. How committed do you think the Giants are? Did Daniel Jones? What do you think they're gonna do? Specifically with their two first round picks? Are we going

to see a replacement coming in? Very uncommitted? I'll say I think they are options wide open. They're gonna obviously give him a trial run, you know, you know there they came in knowing that they're kind of handcuffed to him in a to a degree. But I don't think you're going quarterback in this year's quarterback class. I think what they're doing is, like I said, they left a rough situation there for the staff. I think they're kind of gonna clear house, reset this roster, and then try

to attract the top talent. We've seen quarterbacks on the move more so in the past three years than ever before. Quite literally, the last two Super Bowl champions were quarterbacks that weren't on the roster the year prior, with Tom Brady and Matt Stafford. So you can go out and find one if you put together a good situation for them,

if you put together a good roster around them. So they're gonna give Daniel Jones a trial run if it doesn't work out with an improved offensive line, which they should have obviously drafting off the line in top ten. If he is not that guy, if he doesn't look good, he's to the curb and they're looking elsewhere, maybe be a trade or wherever they can in the next year's draft. Yeah, that sounds about right. I got one last question. When these teams are drafting, how much do they look at

the grades of the guys? Does that matter at all? Like if the guys a straight a student, does that matter or do they take that into account what he majored in, Like if he majors in, you know, physical therapy or sociology, whatever, is there a difference? They're okay, certain teams will care about things like that. And a big thing that's an underrated like red flag for some certain teams is if they're like two good students, is if they have too many interests outside of football. That

starts to take guys and drop guys on more. This is not a joke. This is actually dead serious that if a guy is too interested in other things, like if he has strong hobbies outside of football, that will be seen as a negative in a red play in certain people's eyes. So you gotta hit that sweet spot of not loving other stuff too much but not caring too little. You have to be right in the middle of how much you care about, you know, other things in life, but you gotta love football at the end

of the day. He's right, it's the NFL's it's the NFL. Over care. I'm having a son in about three weeks, and I'm just gonna make sure he has no other interests. It's all sports, baby, no time for games. He's gonna be a top five pick. It's gonna be a top five pick. No, in all seriousness, my my husband was

drafted in the NBA. But we just we're having this conversation, and he said that some NBA teams called local bar owners in Madison, Wisconsin to ask what kind of guy Sam was, and that they ended up telling them, yeah, I told him you never had an issue, you know, never want a fight, never stiffed your tab, nothing like that. But boy do they do their research. And like the movie Draft Day, like we see it ended up coming down to players not being invited to a birthday party.

And a lot of area scouts are more private investigator than they are like a valuator of talent for these teams. Like they have to dig into backgrounds to find stuff more than just like tell me how good this guy is on tape. You know, the report is all like background information, talking to people around him, seeing just who the guy is. So it's a big investment. You know, these guys a lot of money. You've got to be smart about it to do. They check the social media

profiles too, to see what they're posting and stuff like that. Sometimes, I mean some there's some guys that have slipped through though with some rough stuff. I remember Geronimo Allison. You probably remember this Packers. He had tweeted something. I don't know if I should say it, but he tweeted some sexually explicit stuff, shall we say, prior to getting drafted that was still pops up or still did pop up when he was still in the NFL. Like how they

missed that? How did they miss that? It's the agent that usually tell them to scrub that stuff. But like a lot of the agents, especially for like smaller time guys, are trying to just like cast a wide net and their agents for a lot of different players, and so they don't get a lot of attention from that agent and they don't know what the hell they're doing pre draft. They're just trying to catch on somewhere. So that slips and cracks Geronimo Allison, Yeah, I had forgotten about that

until you brought that up. Okay, one more quarterback question. Will we see Baker Mayfield moved on draft Day? What's the latest with him? What are you hearing from teams who might be interested? So I'm hearing no one's interested. It's the thing is why they're really struggling here because of how his contract is set up. So it's a fifth year option, which it's now guaranteed when you exercise it, but it's not guaranteed or it doesn't hit your cap.

If that guy's trade did so, it's eighteen million dollars. If they cut them out right, they have to pay him eighteen million dollars this year. If they trade him, they don't have to take any of that catpit. The new team that traded for him pays that eighteen million dollars. So there's only maybe a couple of teams in the

NFL right now that would even consider it. The thing is one of them, as the Pittsburgh Steelers, who's in the division, who they obviously would have no interest in really trading him too as a division rival, but they can kind of basically say hold him hostage or hold the Browns hostage, and say, you know you're gonna have to give us picks to give to us to take Baker Mayfield because it's going to you have an active interest in wanting him off your team because of that

cap hit. So I think that could be what we end up seeing is they actually trade away picks and Baker Mayfield to have another team take Baker Mayfield, whether it's the Seahawks or someone else who's a quarterback needy team, maybe the Carolina Panthers if they don't draft quarterback in the top ten. So I think that's where it's at. Even if Baker Mayfield, like objectively, still should be one of the thirty two starting quarterbacks in the NFL when he is good and healthy, he is better than that.

It's just everyone kind of found their quarterback and the Browns missed the boat. That's brutal. He's got a good agent, though. I mean he's got a good agent because he did a lot of commercials, his commercial marketing to Yeah, yeah, he's got a great marketing agent. Because I was saying, like, why is he had so many commercials? He's not that great. He's a little bit of a squeak. You can't even see over the offensive line. They should have did commercial

about that, about stretching him out a little bit. He's a little person. I was gonna say all those ones where it's he's living at the Brown Stadium, probably a little awkward right now. If he's still living there, he's probably very awkward. Okay, Mike, one last thing. Can you leave us with a hot take on something you're predicting happens on draft nights, something that might be a little out there, unexpected hot take, maybe someone trading up. I'm

bad at doing hot takes. I'll just say that I think the hottest stake I have is that the Detroit Lions end up selecting a quarterback in this class. I think Detroit with kind of where they are as a roster and you know, with Jared Goff is kind of this lame duck year where they can't really cut them because the cap hit. But I still want him on the roster. I think they draft quarterback number two overall and let them develop, and I think it's gonna believe Will.

So that's my hot take is Blieu will skills number two overall. WHOA, that's a great hut. Actually, you said you don't do hot takes, but that one was sizzling. I'm not good at them because they don't come true. It's more what I was saying, my hot takes are all pretty trapped. Well, you know you got you got a nice chain out there. I like you chain. I did. I wanted to wait to the end of the interview to say that's that's a nice right there. Appreciate it.

You got mine too. I pulled mine out because you had yours out. Yeah, Chan gang not bad, honest for a white guy from Wisconsin. Huh, not bad at all. They really Scott's boys do not have swags, sadly. Yeah, you guys both look like you're from the Midwest. I feel like I'm gonna I'm on a German chat right now with you. Guys. Oh, Mike, you're a trooper. Thanks so much for coming on. You can follow Mike Renner

at PFF Underscore. Mike, thanks so much for all the great insight, and we're really looking forward to seeing how much of this you got right next week, although you've predicted none of it, so this will be great. Thanks, thank you. I'm looking forward to it to tv D and if I this is all probably gonna turn out to be wrong, but that's fine, Okay. Well, as you know, we have all the lowdown on the NFL Draft from

Mike Grinner. That was a lot of fun. We got to hear his takes, although he is not very confidently honest and what's going to happen because this draft is so wacky, it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. However, it's gonna be a really fun one to bet. And yes, if you are new to the sports gambling world, you can bet on the NFL Draft and those lines are up on bed MGM dot com on the bed MGM app, so check them out. Now. Now we bring in Peter Andrew to help us give us a little advice on

what to do, on what to know. So Peter Mike just told us he thinks Aidan Hutchinson from Michigan is going first overall. You know a lot of people do think that. In Vegas certainly thinks that he is leading right now at minus one seventy five as of April nineteenth, So as we get closer, that may change. But do you expect that to change a lot or is he kind of the clear favorite clear favorite to me, you saw some things happen the last couple of weeks. Keavon Thibadeaux,

I think draft stock plummeted a bit. I think Lou Hutchinson has stayed the clear cut favorite, most complete player. I think he's the immediate guy that can come in and just help a team. Put him in Josh Allen on the two sides of the defensive line. I mean immediate impact for a team that just spent a lot of money in the Jaguars this year. I'd expect or looking to at least make a push towards the playoffs. Give them. They spent to three million dollars um. So

he's at minus one seventy right now. I would actually take it now. I can see that jump into two to fifty and so on. As we get a little bit clearer towards towards next Thursday. So yeah, I'm with him. I'm with pff, Mike. I think that's the logical first. Overall, I like how you call him by his Twitter name. That's I feel like I call everybody by that. Quarterbacks this year, like Olivia mentioned, not not as strong as years prior definitely not like last year. Mike mentioned to

us Malik Willis from Liberty. What is the line looking on him? And do you agree that he's gonna be the first quarterback taken in the draft. Well, it is definitely not the sexy draft. I have top three picks being all d NDS first quarterback. I actually have Kenny Pickett. To me, it's hard to pick a guy from Liberty as the first quarterback off the table. I know he had a really good year. Liberty has been a change program of late the last special the last couple of years.

I love Kenny Pickett two way, dual threat game. I haven't going to Carolina at six shades of Cam Newton for seventy five seven years, whatever it was, I think clearly a better arm. He is a great two way threat. You've got guys like Dj Moore Robbie Anderson that he can get the ball too, and he's got a rule named after him now with that fake neal that he ended up running in for a touchdown. So he's the complete package to me in a in a Nazo sexy draft. Here,

he's at plus one thirty. I think Malik Willis is somewhere around minus one fifteen, so it's pretty close. It's pretty much even money. But cann He Pickett to me, has just been the more complete player watching him a pit all year, I mean, phenomenal talent, So I'm taking the dog here. The thing about Malik Willis, though, that I think people forget, is he transferred from Auburn, like he's He wasn't some low level quarterback coming out of high school or anything. He's an Auburn transfer who saw

an opportunity and Hugh freezes offense. So that's why I think people in the draft are really hot on Milik Willis because he kind of is the SEC caliber quarterback who saw a better opportunity at a small school with a great offensive minded coach. But no, it's it's interesting and going six overall to Carolina, you know, just uh boy, Caroline is kind of a mess. But I don't know if it's it's crazy that a quarterback's potentially not going

top five but maybe even dropping lower than that. Yeah, for me, it's it's less about his talent and more about the talent he was playing all year, So playing Liberties Conference first, playing SEC defensive players is going to be significantly different. Not to say that Canny Picket at every team in the a SEC was a premier talent like Limson is, but you've got You've got a good sample size of what he can do against pretty good

defensive teams. So it honestly can go either way. I can see them both going probably first fourteen or fifteen, but it's gonna be We're really interesting. Who do you want to take a shot on? And I guess ultimately what are you looking for? Probably pick it a little bit more of the dual threat where he's got really good legs, not not beefy like a Cam Newton was as an example. But Tom will tell a week away all right, Well, I hope it works out for everybody.

I hope especially it works out for my giants and they get some old linemen so beat next week. As we look ahead and we'll get way more into this. What will open up at bet MGM for what people can bet on the draft. Yeah, so obviously for right now we only have things basically for the first round. You'll see the rounds open up subsequently for each day, so you'll have an ability to bet all six rounds. We'll also do call it exact as kind of like in horse racing, where you can bet one, two, and

three consecutive, essentially like in a parlay together. So if you have a really good feeling that you know, for me, it's Hutchinson, Walker, Thibodeau one two three, So a little bit of pandering to U j Olivia, but but you can parlay those together and instead of taking them all at a different price if you feel good about it, put them all together for plus a thousand and plus

fift hundred and then over under on specific players. So over under on can you pick it, as an example, five and a half or over under on him eight and a half if you think he's gonna go to the second quarterback. So turning real betting opportunities like spreads and over unders into the draft where it's not just about results, So a cool way for us to kind of mishmash a little bit of what we do. Be honest, you should do this, do that one to three. You're

in New York, you can do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do a pdo. I'll text you after this and you know, you walk me through a sweetheart. You got it. If you can see, I give him a little gun shot thumbs up. And in retrospect, that was a little weird. Yeah, pdge, you let's talk a little bit about Hoops, the playoffs, the playing system. I love it. I know it's moving the lines all over the place. It looks like a lot of these teams were not prepared for the physical play and how much the reps

We're gonna let them play. You see the way Memphis got beat up. It looks like they're a little light in the ass. That probably has got the lines moving, like the stock market. What's going on? Well, I think I probably have to address my traunto pick of last week. First. It seems like I was dead wrong about the Raptors. So I'm I'm officially on the Sixers, clean Sweep, four oh bandwagon Boy. They look really good and they're playing complete basketball. So let's just get that one out of

the way. Let me just say, in your defense, that was a stupid pick no matter what, So there to be different. I guess there's some great series. I think the Celtics nexts one that you guys talked about is a really good one and that's probably the series to watch. But there are some blood baths now. I mean the Heat just absolutely smoked the Hawks the other day. Sons look really good. Bucks look really good. I think there's a lot of these first round series that are meaningless.

But what I got, and I mentioned this last week, Golden State looks awesome. Golden State took Game two yesterday. I think they were down fifteen at one point in the second quarter and just completely dismantled the Nuggets. And it shows what what the Nuggets have to deal with. If you don't have top talent that can defend on the perimeter, you're in a lot of trouble. So it wasn't just Clay, it wasn't just Staff, it was Jordan Poole. I mean, you've got a lot of perimeter shooting Draymond

as well. What's going to be interesting is you start seeing them play teams like the Suns. Eventually in the conference finals, can they keep up with a guy like Hayton because interior defense is gonna be the liability. So so far, it's I know, it's only been a couple of games really good. I'm all in on the Warriors bandwagon. So the couple of things I've been looking at is Warriors to beat an exact team, So Warriors to beat

the Sixers, Heat and Bucks, those different prices. I like the Warriors to take take care of the Suns in the conference finals, and then it's beating the Sixers, beating the Heat, beating the buckst one. You can sprinkle ten twenty on each of those and you have a pretty decent sized payout. I know the Sun's look really good again. I said this last week. They're just too chalk. Vegas knows it. Everyone knows it, and it's hard to bet them because it's just you're you're betting a lot to

win a little at this point. So something has to happen where they go down a couple of games in a series in my opinion, for you even think about betting them, because plus two hundred to win the NBA Finals is essentially nothing on the futures market. Well, let's look games specific as this air's Thursday. There are two big games Thursday night. You mentioned Golden State is up to games on Denver, but that spread is only one and a half points favoring the Warriors. Obviously, Why is

that number so low? Yeah, I think they just assumed Denver is gonna be rocking. I mean, not much has changed. Denver did look really good in the first half, but it's just can they compete with the levels of that perimeter shooting. So it's probably a little bit of a trap line, but it's one of those things until I see otherwise, I think you have to take the Warriors and they probably went in four, maybe in five. Yeah,

and then Dallas Utah that series is tied up. They play Thursday as well, and that's a little bit bigger. Utah favored by seven and a half. What do you think about that number? Yeah, I guess it depends. I don't know what Lucas situation is right now. I don't know if it's just day to day. But Jillon Brunson

and Max Cleber they looked awesome. I mean they the name of their game yesterday was as little turnovers as possible, and that's what led them to six seven point when whatever was So if they don't turn the ball over, they got a shot. But hard to do that two games in a row. So I'm probably either going to tease down the Jazz or take them out right at that seven or six and a half, whatever it ends up in. Is there a rule of thumb in playoffs with point total because it seems like it's such a

different game in the playoffs. Yeah, it's you know, I have friends that talk about ref matchups, So what refs are actually calling the games? Are they going it's like the old Jordan games, like the old nineties games, like who's going to call the game? Is gonna be bullyball? Are they gonna let you get away with stuff? Are they gonna call every tikki tack foul? And I think

that's actually somewhat logical to think about. If you're gonna call every tiki tach foul and you're playing the Warriors or playing the Nets as an example, and you're gonna have Kyrie and Katie at the line thirty times, then it's probably good to take the over because the clock stop in every half a minute. But it depends. I mean, there's so many variables. I typically stay away from the over unders. I like to just take take spreads for

that reason. But it varies, and you'll have some series where it's a U when you're playing you know, the old Memphis Grizzlies of a couple of years ago, where you have like Zach Randolph and those guys where you know they're gonna be low scoring games and you know what to expect. But a lot of these teams can get hot and hot, meaning score a hundred forty points like it's nothing, which is crazy, and you know nowadays NBA, Yeah,

that's with the three point line. And that was a great question because really I watched a couple of these games and the refs really swallowing their whistle and a lot of stuff. And so let me take you to the young exciting matchup Memphis and Minnesota. That's gonna looks like it's gonna go back and forth. What's the line looking like for that? And who do you got? Uh? It's funny with Memphis that like traditionally they are more

efficient team without jaw, but jaws incredible to watch. I want to lean them because I think they have such a complete team. But that is one of those series that can go six seven games. That to me is one of those toss ups. One of those teams probably doesn't go that far. So second third round you don't see them. There's this is one of those where they just beat each other up, so Lean Memphis, but it's a toss up. I mean, you have such a good

young Minnesota team. Anthony Edwards is awesome to watch, so hopefully you see them more years to come. And it's not just the one off here, but this is the future of the NBA in that game, right there. Yeah, all right, for sure, good stuff, Pete, Thanks so much. There's a lot to bet on this weekend. It's gonna be a lot of fun. But next week we definitely got to roll up our sleeves and really dig into gambling.

The NFL Draft and you, Honese, I may be a texting you a couple of ideas as you are an illegal gambling state of which I live in Kansas City. Is Missouri or Kansas going to legalize first? That's a funny question. So without without getting too political on this, but there seems like they're fighting with one another to see who can who can get it done first. It's always been Kansas on the list. I'd love to lobby for either one. Yeah, right, one of them is coming.

I think you know, they're both trying to aim for this year, which will be exciting. But I think they're fighting to see who can get into Okay, yeah, because we have two states, So I really don't care at this point. I don't care, so our big Kansas City listenership, I'm sure we'll appreciate that. Final question, Pete, thanks so much for your time. We appreciate you as always, and we'll talk to you next week. See A. Well, that

was a lot of fun. Thanks so much to Mike Runner for Pro Football Focus for sharing us a little bit of time in previewing the draft. There's so much to dig into and we got to bring in the experts every week to do that. Make sure to follow at Ben MGM on Twitter, on Instagram, on TikTok surprisingly very good TikTok follow it'll make you laugh you honest, I know you like TikTok to. Thanks so much for listening, guys, See you next Thursday.