Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the 643 Conspiracy podcast. I'm your boy Hank holding it down. We got send our best wishes to Drew, my Co host. He's got a a sick child again. Had to take her to the hospital yesterday so he's unable to be with us. Thoughts and prayers to you brother. You know we love you, but at this point, I guess we could call you a a a temporary Co, temporary permanent Co host. We've got my boy, Chef Kyle in the house. What's going on, brother?
Oh, not a whole lot, man. Happy to be here. Happy Sunday. We are gathering. We are gathering on the Lord's Day of Rest. So you know, beautiful thing. And ladies and gentlemen, we've got the amazing Heidi Love from the Unfiltered Rise podcast joining us today. Miss Heidi, how are you doing? Good. How y'all doing today? You guys doing good. Everybody's happy. Well, except you sound like you got a cold. Kyle, you got a cold? I'm a little stuffed up, yeah.
Oh, is that why you're drinking the magic potion? Did you get it? Did you get it from Joseph Smith? And we woke up yesterday morning and it was 43 degrees outside. Oh, is that like not normal for you guys at all, considering two weeks ago it was 100. It's it's just been a drastic shift real quick and my sinuses have been just full chaos mode for the last two or three days. And it happens anytime the the weather flies. But they're spraying us. Yeah, I smoke a pack of
cigarettes a day, so that. Definitely doesn't make that too. OK, all right. I mean, I acknowledge I do it to myself, but. Yeah, no, but they're saying, OK, so I got on, I jumped on this morning and people are talking about the moon phases not being quite right this month. Did you see that? That like a piece of the moon. And people were like all off on their girl problems and everything. And I was like this Mandela Effect, my daughter that this happened.
Like I don't have that happen. So I have to go to other people because. I'm lucky. I'm. I'm done. Six kids is enough. Kids. Like, come on. Yeah. So, but yeah, she said that happened to her too. And I was like, Oh my gosh, is this actually real? What? So maybe we were Mandela again? I don't know. I don't pay attention to like what what the forecast for the moon phases are.
But I look at it every night when I take my dogs out, and maybe I just don't know how this whole whole existence thing works. But the moon, the moon makes no sense. Like from a night, you know, 'cause you can, you can track the progression of the sun day from day. It's going to be a little bit farther, a little bit farther, a little bit farther.
But the moon does not play by the same rules, because one night it'll be here and it'll be really big, and then the next night it's going to be like 40 degrees away and really far away. But then the next night it's it, it just doesn't play by any. It don't play fair is it is like, I don't I don't understand, but it there's some crazy stuff going on with the moon. It sucks energy. Like if you measure like different degrees of how it it, it actually sucks energy.
It doesn't give, It's like opposite. As the bubbles so blow, the sun gives energy, the moon takes it. So I I always, I always think it's kind of weird, 'cause there is, and we're going to get into Mormonism. But it there is a little weird thing that happened with Joseph Smith later. They were talking about how there were Quakers on the moon. Like, people Quakers. And I'm just picturing the dude from the oatmeal up there. And his wife or something. I I would assume 7 wives or
something like that. I'm like, OK, seven Quake Arettes and a dude. I don't know. I'm like, it was so weird. It was such a blip. And of course the church came out later. Oh no, no, no, that didn't. There's so many things like that. But never happened. Don't go look it up. Yeah, it didn't happen, right? Yeah, that and getting our own planet and all those things. If you go look it up now, they're like, who would say that? That's stupid.
I'm like, well, you guys said that because I'm old and I remember. So I'm like, I remember learning this when I was a kid, you know? But yeah, they try to play it off like they do the whole superstar thing, like don't talk about it, just deny, deny and walk away. So I'm pretty sure you said it because I've heard you on several shows. Are you from Utah? I am. I live in Utah.
OK, so. In the last couple of years, Arkansas and BYU have had a football series going on and one one thing my boss has always asked me is how many black Mormons have I ever? And you know why, right? And I'm like well boss, very few. And if by very few you mean zero, then there would you know and I I because I've known there's Mormon church about 30
minutes away from here. My mom was really good friends with a Mormon couple and they were great folks and you know I've met several of the Mormon I I guess you call them preachers. The guys that door, the door knockers, you know? The missionaries. Yeah, the missionaries.
One thing I've always wondered is do you know if BYU as a as a college makes exemptions for their athletes that come to play sports there, like or do do the athletes that come to BYU have to practice the Mormon faith while they're there? That is a good question. I know because I want to say their head coach is is Hawaiian of an of yeah but or he's some he he he's not he's not a Mormon. He's not a black guy. And so I'm. Just wondering, yeah, they have a, they make an exception.
They have a big following with Hawaiians and Samoans, any island, Pacific people. They really have reached out to and done a lot of charity. Yeah, they are. And. And the reason why you don't see very many black people? Because they're smart. Let me explain, because they weren't allowed into our church until I believe it was 1958 when they changed that. Don't quote me on the exact date, but it was right after all the segregation was ending that they were even allowed to hold
the priesthood. Because this is the story that I was told as a child versus the story that they come out with. Now. I and and I'll give this disclaimer, like you said, there are very many Mormon people. That are wonderful people. Just like there's some government officials that are like maybe your local mayor that's a nice guy or a sheriff that's a nice guy. Does that mean I trust the government? No. Should you trust a big, big church that's one of the wealthiest in all of the world?
Probably not. So when it gets to the top level that it's a lot different. But these other people that are just the kids knocking on your door, they're 19 to 21. They go home after they're 21. And their kids, you know, they're just out there doing what they think the Lord has called them to do. And they know they probably don't know any of the stuff that we're going to talk about because even me, as a Mormon for 34 years brought up in it everything. I didn't know most of this stuff
until I got out. You have to really research. But also so the story goes, is that when there was the war in heaven and it was between God and Lucifer and the angels were cast out. The ones that followed Lucifer were cast down with him, and then the ones that followed God went with God. But there were some that didn't decide and they were called the fence sitters. And if you look it up like Mormon Fence Sitter, I'm pretty sure you'll find some information.
So the fence sitters were were cursed because they didn't pick a side and they turned them shades of brown and black because of their curse. Then there's also the curse of Cain. Which they also endorse and believe. And the church was extremely racist and did not allow them to hold the priesthood because they were those things either cursed or fence sitters in their lineage for a long time until like segregation ended until the 50s. And so they also pushed not
marrying interracially. Which really? That wasn't a reason why I left, but it always bothered me because my brother married my mom married 1/2 Latin, half native. My brother married a black gal that was from Chicago back East. So our family and my sister married actually a Hawaiian. He's half high Hawaiian, half Chinese and they're not together anymore, but they had all their kids together and. So, and he was a coach and I'll tell you it, it happens a lot with the Polynesian community.
They focus highly on the Polynesian community because they're so family oriented. Their big trick is when they come knocking on your door is that hopefully and that it's not the kids that have the trick, although they do give them. One of my neighbors went on a mission and he had to come home because of the lovely 2020. And so he told me some things he's like you know they have all these forums, they have this like different apps to like respond to things like that.
It's like a salesman type pitch thing. If you get this question go say this, if you do this go it's all it's all pre programmed. They're they're programmed, they go to a mission training center before they go out in the field to learn all this stuff. So they're there for quite a while and and they're on their missions for almost 2 years, so.
Long story short, they're hoping when they knock that you have some dead relative, dead child, or are really family focused and they'll say don't you want to be with your family forever? Like for time and all eternity. That's their their thing, time and all eternity. Well when we marry people, we marry them for time and all eternity, even though that's completely non biblical cause what does Jesus say? What does the Bible say? That there's no male or female
in heaven. There's no marriage in heaven because. When Jesus answered that question to the man who said which one of the husbands will be this wife because she had all these husbands die, he said it won't be that way in heaven. That's why it's always said till death do you part. So we're not we don't even, I don't think we'll even have like a sex when we when we're gone and we we don't have a body. So I mean, the Mormons kind of use that and prey upon people that really like.
Are family oriented. So that's why they have a huge, huge thing in the Hawaiians, Polynesians, all that. They're very family oriented. So I think that's why they sneak into that. But black people, they're not so easy to. They're more SUS. They're like what? Like they start looking up a couple things and they're like, I'm not going to that church because you guys are crazy. In 1958 you didn't, you just barely let us in. I'm sure there's I would have
feelings. I would have definite feelings about that. So that's my, my Long story short on that. But yeah, I mean that's that's life, you know that. Yeah, that's, I mean back when, you know, back it. It was probably close to 15 years ago, I guess the the couple my mom was friends with, they had a son that was around my little brother's age and they were really great friends. And that guess they were doing, they were doing something at the church building.
And I can't remember what it was, but like the whole congregation was gathering and Laura and her husband brought me and my brothers. And you would never think that by walking in their church building for and looking at, you know, these photos that you sent me, that there would be any kind of connection. No, because here's the I mean, I'm never bought into, never bought into, even because I've glanced through the Book of Mormon. But to me, it's I can't. I can't.
I can't take anything covered, one letter cover to cover. I can't give it credibility because I know that this man is saying he received this from an Angel. Yes, and I think he definitely did. Even if you want to argue that the Bible was pinned by man, at least the the men that pinned the Bible give credit straight to God himself, not some intermediary.
Right. Yep. And I think people, real quick people, fail to realize that the men that pinned the Bible didn't pull these ideas out of thin air and put them down of their own volition. It was almost like automatic writing. Not every part of the Bible, because they also put their own two cents into it, but it was all of it was like given to them through the Holy Spirit by God. Like like it wasn't their own ideas. These men didn't just pull this out of their own ass and put it on paper.
Excuse my language. No, you don't have to. I thought it was funny. I'm. I'm the thing that my husband always really focuses on with the church is. Is like if you go look for archaeological evidence of the Bible, you will find it. You will find at Sea Scrolls, you will find old things that came from there in biblical times that match up the places exist, all the things go with it. So if you go try and do that with the Book of Mormon, you'll find nothing except for Joseph Smith.
There's they. He talked about having this big war in the in the Book of Mormon on the hill. Kimora. Where he lived basically really close by him that the church now owns. Now, if they wanted to prove this, there would be thousands of bodies buried in this hill from battle, just like we can go to Gettysburg, right? You can. I've been there. You can go there. You can see that there was a battle that was fought there. You can't do that on this hill because it doesn't exist.
And if they wanted to prove it, I would be digging it up and saying, yeah, let's find all the dead people that were in this war that he said that happened. And prove it. But they can't. And so instead what they did is they planted a whole bunch of trees and have now said that they will not excavate it because, you know, we got to save the trees, so how convenient. They'll never, they'll never do anything to prove it because we
all know it's unprovable. And I and with the automatic writing thing, like the stuff that was given for the Bible was on scrolls that was put together. It wasn't even, It wasn't even automatic. Like the people that wrote each book, they had a Dead Sea scroll for that scroll. And then that is backed up by the Bible and it matches really well. Like there's none of because Joseph Smith did automatic writing for the Book of Mormon. And I believe that he absolutely
did. And I don't believe it was from an Angel, from God. Angels are deceptive and were warned in the Bible that you you have to be careful, you know, because we never know. And how many times has a fallen Angel come to someone like I can name a few. And I would love. I'm going to find me a John D expert someday. And we're going to go down this road because John D saw an Angel. And what came of it? The Enochian alphabet. And what came of that? Multiple religions, right in the
occult. So let's go to Aleister Crowley. He saw an Angel. It wasn't a wasp. It wasn't. An Angel. To him, it appeared as an alien. Why? Because he was dark and he would receive that type of thing. Because what do angels say? If you see an Angel, what do they say the first thing out of their mouth? Do not be afraid. So they're gonna appear to you however you're willing to. Like, okay. I can handle this, you know, like this is okay for my brain. So they can appear any way they want.
That's all over the Bible that the Nephilim can take any shape, any human shape beast, whatever. They can do that. And it's known. So I mean he what did he do? What was awas told Crowley to do what write a book and he did and it became a religion and it's called the Lima and he wrote the book of the law. So and he wrote many others on top of that. Then we got Jack Parsons and we go out and playing in the desert with. The Scientology guy. And they're out there and what
happens? The angels tell him to write a book. So they write a book and they start a religion and it's Scientology. And what happened with Joseph Smith, He saw angels and what happened? He wrote a book and he started a religion. I'm sorry, there's too many coincidences. That's a lot. Well, you got to remember also what the what the Book of Revelation said about the the fallen angels and and Lucifer. He said that they're going to appear as ministers of righteousness and angels of light.
They're not going to come up as some scary red dude with horns and a pitchfork and big bad uglies that crawl with broken bodies. They're not going to do that. They're going to try to come to you with something they know you'll accept. Except Crowley, yeah, because he was dark. But he knew what Crowley would accept, and he would. He wouldn't have accepted something beautiful and of the light. He would. He needed it to be something dark and obscured. Yep.
So they obliged. What's your question, Kyle? So when you left the the Mormon church, did you go straight to Christianity or did you take like a little bit of a break and then kind of look into whether religions, how did that, how did that play out? I think what happened for me was I always knew Jesus was real. I always had the deep rooted feeling because. I had that really. I had a really hard childhood. I was really like abused in
every sort of way. And my family was so messed up that I called to God from a very young age. Like, I knew that God was real. I just didn't know what to do with this whole church thing. But your whole family's in it. So then my mom got out and she became a Stevens minister for Christian, non denominational church. So it was easier for me. To go to her, and then my husband as well, he was already saved.
And so they both had this good, you know, foundation, biblical foundation of Christianity, because they don't teach you the Bible. Well, they might now, but back when I grew up, it was. Solely focused on Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, the Bible was kind of like, yeah, it's there, it might not be correct because they might have translated it wrong and that's it. That's all they say. So you don't really focus your
time and study on that. So luckily I had people surrounding me that were like, hey, look at this, look at that. Don't lose hope, don't lose faith. Because I would say 90% of people that leave become atheist. I mean or Gnostic or Gnostic. And and it's sad to me because they don't have the foundation in Christ because it's not there.
We're not taught that. The only reason I had it is because I had a crap life and I ended up a word of the courts by the time I was 12. So I was constantly calling on God like. Please help me. You know, I mean, so when you go through struggle, you grow, you know, and and back then God to me was just God. And I didn't know a difference, you know, between Mormon God and God. But Mormon God is not. They don't even believe in the Trinity.
They believe that the Holy Ghost and Jesus Christ and God are three separate people and that they're completely separate entities and have nothing to do. And they actually believe that God had sex with Mary, Like, literal. Not like a divine, none of that. They believe that it was like a sexual thing and that he was part man just like any other man. That that's what they think. So have you ever seen the the series that came out a while back called Hell on Wheels? Not Hell on Wheels.
Oh, that's a different one. I thought you were going to stay under the banner of heaven. No, I've never seen that one, but Hell on Wheels is probably one of my favorite series of all time. It's a story of right after the Civil War. It's a story surrounding the the building of the transcontinental railroad. And there's a section of the of the show where they're ending up going through Utah and they're having to deal with the Mormons a lot. And Brigham Young is alive at
this time. And I was really hoping you had seen it, because I was wondering, you know, if you were knowledged in. You know, middle 1800s Mormonism, you know that it was that portrayal of it because they were they're they're portrayed in the show as they mentioned God, but they put all their stock and faith into a man who was the IT was almost like the American version of Catholicism. The way it was portrayed they had an intermediary you know Brigham Young was the the the
what he what the line of the Lord and and he he he alone interpreted God's will and and all that and very Polk like ish and it's it's more than it's actually worse than the Catholics because the Catholics don't believe in any direct revelation any further. They're done with it. They study and they do get led by the Pope but we believe and I say we because I'm talking about Mormons I'm out I don't want to even go there but I still say it.
So anyways, Mormons believe that whoever is the president of the church at that time, so then it was Brigham, but before that it was Joseph. And like right now we have one right now. And so they believe that that is a literal prophet, a living prophet who can actually talk to God and receives direct revelation from God.
So that whole thing about the, the race card that I was telling you that they changed later, that was because God told them to change it. Not because of politics, not because it fit good, not because it made sense, but because God somehow, all of a sudden in that perfect timing. And that's what they'll say, Well, it was perfect timing. But here's the fun part of it. Brigham Young was kind of a monster. And everybody knew like he had, he had tons of wives, he was super racist.
There's tons of comments about him saying, like if you were to find your wife in bed with a black man, it's better for you to spear them both through than to let them live like he was horrible, like. And so when all that stuff started coming out, the church will turn it and they'll say, but he was just a man, wait a minute, I thought he was divinely a prophet of God doing the work of God. And what does it say in the Bible about prophets? If they're wrong? Once, that's it.
You throw everything out that they say, right, It's in the Bible. But the Mormon church doesn't do that. They turn it around and they say, well, of course it was the times. Well, of course he's just a man. Well, of course, blah, blah, blah. He had so many wives because all the men died in the war and and all these wars coming up with you know I'm. Glad you mentioned that. Because that was another aspect that in Hell on Wheels was, I'm
going to watch this. I really hope you do, if not just for the involvement of the Mormons, because our your, your main character actually gets deeply intertwined with the Mormons, but they are very standoffish and. Oppositional to the federal government at the time. Well, they were in general because. And I know that there was a big war, pretty much a war between the American government and the Mormons because of polygamy, because polygamy. They would not let them become a
state. And so they tried to become their own state, and they called it the state of Deseret. And then when that was happening, they wouldn't give them full statehood, which is why their name got changed to Utah later. But that was all because of the abstinent against, you know, polygamy. And they, they weren't going to let it go. And so as long as and now they say, OK, unless you're FLDS.
Now FLDS still follows the same rules that like your show is probably at. Like they still have multiple wives and different things. But the normal mainstream LDS people now have to follow the letter of the law. So they say, OK, you have to follow the law of of the world or whatever, you know, so that that in essence ended that war when they gave up on the polygamy thing. But they never did in the temple and I'll explain it, but they
did on paper but they didn't. They didn't in the temple because to this date, like when I got, I went to the temple. I married in the temple to my first husband who left me was on meth, had a girlfriend like didn't take care of my kids, didn't. I couldn't even find him for two years. To divorce him like this was a disaster. Okay. And so they still said to me, you cannot have a temple divorce until you have another husband lined up to take his place.
And if you do have another husband lined up and he fits all the qualifications, we still have to write a letter to your ex-husband getting permission for you to go through the temple with him. And he basically gets to decide my fate. Like if he didn't want to and believe me, he would have. Not he. He he never did. I never went through with my
second husband. So they get to decide for you, unless you go through a whole council and you, you have to take your case and plead your case and all this stuff. And then it gets one worse, which is when my ex-husband said I don't care if they do sanction it, I'm not going, It's because my son was born, he's my, my, not my first husband, not the guy that I went through the temple with, right.
So he said, I said we have to get him sealed to us because we had this son, you know, in our marriage and they're like, no, you don't. And he goes, what do you mean, no, I don't. And he's like, well, technically her ex-husband was a proxy for you and you're just going to take over his spot. So like my son is like sealed to this other guy and my ex, has he just lost his mind? He was like, this church is crap. I'm not going. I wasn't sure about it in the
1st place. This just pisses me off. I'm raising his kids and this guy gets to decide whether we get married and now he's like the fake heaven father of my son. You got to be crazy. His only child. Like that's his blood child and he just lost it. Yeah, he was done.
He was like but, but, but, but if it were Kyle and Kyle wanted to get married tomorrow to another lady and leave his wife and leave that wife and leave another wife and leave another wife, every single one of them would be sealed to him in the temple because he's a guy and that is polygamy by proxy. My uncle was married seven times and not one of those needed a temple divorce because he's a man. He's married to all 7 still like in the temple as far as that
goes. And so they'll try and play it off. They'll try and say they've changed their ways. They say a lot of things. But when you leave it open by proxy and you lock it down for a woman like that just doesn't even make sense to me. You know, I'm like, OK, I I mean, some of my uncles weren't even justified. And it lets the guys just hurry and randomly rapidly get remarried all the time because they have no, they have no reason to not.
And they push the not having sex before marriage so hard even afterward that, you know, a lot of times the guy will do it just to get with a girl. And then she's just, you know, out of luck. She's out of luck, Chuck. So. My boss and I were talking yesterday while I was at work. He knows I podcast and I'm a conspiracy, that he calls me a nut because I believe the earth
is flat and all this stuff. Like, I genuinely believe he stares at the ceiling at night, writhing his fists in anger because I believe the earth is flat. But we got to talking about, you know, I said I'm bringing a guest on, She speaks out against the Mormon church and stuff. And I'm really, you know, I really like her story. And he got to talking about how polygamy was necessary for the
Mormons because after this war. Half pretty much like half of the male population in the in the faith was decimated. And so the other like you know you had, you had twice as many wives and children out there that needed to be absorbed by other men. And and I was just like if that was for the will, if that was for the widows and the older women, I would understand it. But they weren't marrying older women. They were marrying 14 year olds.
So I don't think so they could have just let her wait till she was 19 and like maybe a dude would be old enough by then. Like they didn't do that. They were marrying young girls. If they only married older women. And they were like, we have to do this and take care of our our people, OK, But that's not the case. And which, you know, ironically, here we are in another circular
moment. I mentioned to you earlier that these garments that these people wear look like something from the Middle East. Well, what do you see in Islam? Bunch of old cat and I mean senior citizen, old marrying 12 year olds and stuff. So there's you another parallel. Really young brides. Sometimes even as like horribly young like. They they can be. Yeah. They they actually marry infants and then wait hopefully wait. But yeah, I mean they don't
care. And that that to me that religion and and our, like, when I say our Mormon religion is very similar other than it's like the New Age movement of Muslim, I swear, like. And then they just just take out the one name, put in Joseph Smith and then you're good. You know, that that's all they do. I mean, it cracks me up in a way. But then I'm like, well, it makes sense because if this was sent by a deceiving Angel, it should be similar. Like, shouldn't the story be similar, you know?
And I mean, we used to have to veil our faces in the temple. Now they changed this because God told the guy right now because there was like a whole bunch of problems with women saying like, we don't like this anymore.
So they changed it. But we used to have to put that veil over our face when we were anytime in the temple, and they were doing something for the priesthood because we were not worthy, because we couldn't receive the priesthood to even set our eyes upon it. And so it was just certain parts of the ceremony that they had women do that and now they don't. Now it's different, but I think it's always the church is really politically correct.
A lot of times, like they'll be really incorrect and then they'll go full board correction. Like it's like a flip side, just like with the whole, you know, when the priesthood got given to the people later that were black or brown or whatever, they were like, oh, because it was a revelation. But it was like during that same time frame. So it makes you go, yeah, OK, same thing. One guy came out and spoke out against, you know, the pride thing and all that stuff a few
years ago. Well, they took that right back this year because there's too much of it going on. So they they were like, oh, well, just kidding. We not that they endorsed it per SE, but they were like, that was a little harsh. And so now they're like, just kidding, you know? And it it just, it amazes me the amount of times that they've redone the Book of Mormon. If it's perfect in its entirety, just like we can compare the Holy Bible to the Dead Sea Scrolls.
There's not a lot of difference. There's very few differences. Like it's if it is, it's like grammatical and they argue about these little tiny words that are like was or were or something
little. But no, it's not like that with the Book of Mormon. They, they actually have had their copies read on so many times that one of the guys that I followed after I got Outlook Kyle was asking about, I went on and and looked at these other people that were LDS that left and one of them's named Bishop. Earl, a Bishop to us is like a priest for for Catholics and he used to be a Bishop and they gave him, they gave him assignment, 'cause I think he
knew something Hebrew or maybe I'm not sure exactly what he knew. But they gave him an assignment to take one of the original copies of the Book of Mormon and do something with it was some kind of translation thing. And after that he left. He was like, yeah, none of this is like anything to do with anything we do now.
So he's like, OK, like it was just weird, you know, and and so you see these things and it goes so high up and they basically represent the Godhead. So you when you have, when you're in the church, there's the prophet, the president, the prophet. They kind of changed it. See how they do that? The prophet sounds sounds to oh So what do they do that he's the president now? Now I hear it all the time. He's the president. And I'm like they do these little sneaky things.
So then he has, you know, his first counselor and 2nd counselor. So what's that? It represents A Godhead. Right. So there's three. And then he has the quorum of the 70. And it's all these guys that like, know these deep, deep secrets that are even more so than what I could ever tell you because there's something called
a second anointing. Like we go through and do the ones that I showed you on the paper and I'll talk about with the temple rites, but they do another one called a second anointing that we don't even see that we and it got leaked. I don't even know who we did, but you can go and check it out and it it's basically kind of like when the Catholics gave the people back in the day, they would sell them like their way
to heaven. I can't remember those names, but they would say, oh, if you, if you pay us this much money, you can go to heaven and here's your paper, It's kind of like that situation, like you can get bought in. They'll they'll deny this. They'll say this is not true. But I also speak out in truth for Mormons. Like I I listen to a lot of programs where they've interviewed people and this one girl that they interviewed and they were like, yeah, they beat their wives and they choose the
the husbands and all this stuff. And I'm like, no, your family just sounds like they were crazy. Like, no, they they don't do that. Like they don't encourage beating your wife. They don't encourage choosing a husband for anybody. They don't. They don't. This is not part of their doctrine anymore.
But then these other people come out against it because maybe they had a bad dad or a bad family uncle or somebody, or they were sexually abused in it, which they've had a lot of sexual abuse cases, just like the Catholics. But like that's all men. That's not in this, It's not in the church. It's not like it it has happened and I do believe some of the stuff and a lot of the stuff we do in the temple it calls out, it puts out energy negative bad
energy. And I wouldn't doubt at the top level there's some weird SRA type stuff but I can't prove or show you anything that says that I'm just that's that's how it is you know so but there is a lot of Satan type worship in there. We got the inverted stars. And when you go in and you first go through the temple, everything is really similar to the Masons because Joseph Smith was a master Mason and he became a master Mason. In two days.
He became a Freemason. And then within 48 hours he was rose up to the level of Master Mason, which is really weird because he had an older brother and the older brother died and they don't know. It was like a real sudden they're like, oh, sudden, sudden illness. Well, Masons are known for, like, sacrificing their eldest sons to, like, make it, you know, higher. And then. Yeah. And then Joseph Smith's son, his first baby that was born to him
was a son. And it was shortly after that, extremely deformed, barely lived. And they named it the dead brother's name. And I'm like, there's some crap. And then all of a sudden he's Master Mason. So after he's a Master Mason, he goes through their temple ceremony because they have a temple ceremony as well. And I've spoke to the New York patriot who was an OTO member, and I've spoke to a couple people that were Masons. And they say it's the same thing
as a not. He's like, you got to go watch a Gnostic Mass. It's like, very similar. You get naked, you put on these new robes, You guys get naked, You put on this new thing, like you have the sash thing, you have the apron. Like, he was talking all about it to me. He's like, you got to go watch. Some parts of this are similar, like the way they they don't do
this anymore. They used to say they'd slit their throats or slit their bowels before they'd speak a word of the stuff I'm telling you, and they don't do it anymore because people got uncomfortable. So in the 1980s, they were like, hey, God told us we're not going to do that anymore. But it's a Gnostic Mass. That's the same thing. Why are we doing similar stuff as an OTO ritual at any point? Even if they did stop, like what? Why is it so close to Masonry?
And when you go and look at the church site now? Because everything blew up after the Internet came about. When the Internet came about, they had to start backtracking like nobody's business. And at first they tried to keep people from going on. They they were like, we have our own website, you can talk to your own people. You can talk to your Bishop. Doubt your doubt, doubt your doubts. Don't doubt your faith. That was what they would. That was like their slogan.
It was like a slogan all over the place. And so for a while there, that worked. But people were just too curious. They would hear these crazy things. And so they had to go backtrack. And now there's a video out that says, yeah, why? Why is Mormons like masonry? Oh, because blah, blah, blah. And now they admit that he's a Mason, but that was never a thing when I was young. And they also denied that he was a polygamist when I was young.
They denied all of that. They're like, Oh no, that's that's the Brigham Young did that later because of the war. Well, what about Joseph Smith? He already had a whole bunch of wives. He had over 30. So what about that? That was before they made it to, you know, the whole big deal with the federal government that was under Brigham. So what about that? And if they were already fighting about polygamy, then how was this so-called war? The 'cause? It can't be. It happened after the fact.
They already were pissed. Yeah. So it doesn't. Their timeline never adds up, but they don't care. They just they just push it under a rug and say like it's. That's fine. You know, we don't do that anymore. So. But you know, yeah, we get the new underwear. Mason's get new underwear. I wore those underwear. They are AT shirt and like boxer briefs for women as well. It's like without the flaps, but they look like that's. They go to the knee and they're long. They come to like hear a cap
sleeve. They have a ruler over your umbilicus they that goes sideways. Then they have the square encompass over each nipple and then the ruler on the I believe it's the right knee. So yeah all these signs and symbols and I wore them for a long time and had no idea. I had no idea. But that's how it is. And the first time you go through, you're going through for yourself, but the second time and third time and any time after that, you're going through
for dead people. And I mean they just put all these names in genealogy bases. That's why they're really crazy about like ancestry. DNA is a Mormon based, that's a Mormon based thing. So they own that. They're really into DNA because they want us all to know our family tree as far back as you can get it. And then you take all the names and you do this work for the
dead. And they're supposedly waiting in like this waiting area in heaven, like not heaven, but in the beyond, for us to do the work for them so they can ascend because they believe in three levels of heaven. So yeah. Wow. It's a lot. I feel like I'm, I'm over sometimes. I talk a lot. No, you were perfectly fine. I'm just gobsmacked because I've never heard any of this, you know. I've never heard any. You know, I'm and I'm sitting
here thinking, damn. And I really thought I knew something about this is the basics. Yeah, this is the very basic and like they used to have where we would get naked, like what I went through, you had to get naked and put this poncho thing on that was open on the sides and sit on this stool thing is like a bench. And come to find out later, it's an altar. I had no idea. And you're in a little dressing room. No, nothing sexual is happening
to you. But the fact that you have to be in there naked, like, and then somebody comes in and blesses you through the sides of it like that it's a lady. But and then I'm sitting there and the only weird part about it is I was like, she's a lady. She can't have the priesthood. And my dumb, my dumb, brainwashed brain was like, where's the guy at? He I need a guy for this, then she can't do this. And then I. I'm surprised they didn't have a guy doing that.
That sounds like some weird fucking shit that they would do. Well, I think maybe they used to and then they probably changed it because they changed. They change everything and they changed that whole. Thing. And then God said, ah, you know, we're not going to do this. You got it. You got it. Yep, dude, I see the, he told. Yep, he told the Prophet. Yep, you're not wrong. And then it was because so many people were uncomfortable. So now they wear a jumpsuit.
Instead of being naked in this poncho thing, they wear a jumpsuit that zips up, and they only do it on your forehead. But they still do the same blessings. They bless your sinews and your loins and all this weird stuff so that you'll go forth and prosper and making babies and all this weird stuff so. As of now, as of now, you give it a couple years and it'll probably switch up. It'll be different then they'll be. They're gonna be blessing your ears, yeah.
And your eyebrows? Yeah, they'll change. They change it all the time. It's wild like. I think that's a sign right there. I think that's a in my opinion. I think that's a sign like so many changes within that. Religion I I guess that has that has to like through generations that has to be a little weird like well back in my day we used to like just like the same when I was young we used to do it like this.
Now they do it like that and things have just changed so much and you you would think with like a a religion like that, they would try to keep it the same. They don't care because they say that God reveals it to the living prophet. It's a little different for the Pope. He has to at least go by guidelines that are already written because they don't believe in any current revelation. So they feel that all the revelation that's already taken
place is already done. At least they have a solid foundation that Pope can do whatever he wants, and he may get criticized for it, but he doesn't base it on God told me like he might just do it because he's in charge, you know, at least he has the balls. Excuse my language enough to say I'm going to do this instead of like the Mormons who are so soft spoken, They're like, oh, but God said so it's OK, you know, God, God told us. And I'm like, no. And it's a yeah, it's a manipulation too.
Even the way they speak, they speak, really. If you watch how they speak at conference or like when they're on television at all, it's a very soft, very unassuming male, very unassuming male presentation to the world that they that they're not, oh, they would never hurt a family. They're just nice old grandpas, you know, that's what they want to come across like. And then you find out some stuff
later, which has happened here. We've had some really bad ritualistic sexual abuse cases here that are still open with like attorneys and sheriff's and all the stuff involved in people at the high levels. And you know, that case is still open. Some people talk about it already. But I kind of feel weird, like other than the mention, because, I mean, you're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. So I feel weird about going into a full thing on it. But if you look up the Levitt
case, it's pretty disturbing. And I I don't doubt that there's some things that happened there. Yeah, it's it's wild. I know. It's. I mean, and then let alone like the fact that if you're not married, your priesthood comes from your husband. So I always used to ask my grandma, like, well, what about people that don't get married? Like, what if they're the best
people ever? They can't go to the the nicest heaven, the celestial Kingdom, 'cause they have the celestial Kingdom, the telestial Kingdom and the terrestrial Kingdom, and they're all separate. They're all three. Three. Heavens, yeah. That makes sense because I was floating around on Reddit. Uh huh. I was trying to find those the the photos that that you were talking about cuz I found them last time. But I keep seeing these things and it says terrestrial. Yeah, Celestial.
And I didn't. I was gonna ask you I I had no idea what that even meant. But OK, so those are the. So there's three levels. And then there's then there's kind of like purgatory, which is reserved. It it's not called that. They call it outer darkness, and that's reserved solely for murderers and like people that leave the church and speak out against it like me. So that's what they say. They say that that's solely
reserved for that. And then hell is like, they kind of skirt around hell a little bit. They're kind of like, well, hell is because you didn't do what you were supposed to. So hell is like being on earth, but they don't really come out and say, yeah, you could go to hell except for outer darkness, which is murderers and people that leave and speak out and so and or and or leave.
I mean, I you don't have to speak out, but if you turn against it after you've gone to the highest level, then they feel that you are definitely going to go to outer darkness. So yeah, ridiculous. My husband was like, why are my parents so weird with you? And they're not weird with me because I left the church at 16. I just thought it would be the same for you. But then he mentioned to them one day, oh, she had gone through the temple. So then everybody knows what level you're at.
Everyone. And so most people in Utah wear that as, like, a badge of honor. Like, if you say, oh, yeah, I've been to everybody. Everybody in my neighborhood has like all of them. That's a thing. You know, like they've all, I mean there will be probably one in 10 maybe that haven't and you, you know. But if you leave that's like a badge of like bad. And so his parents know I'm not I don't go and that I'm against it. So automatically they're like, you know, she's gonna go to hell.
So don't bother wasting your time on her, 'cause they're, like, still nice to like my husband or like other people in the family that aren't Mormon. Well, because you can still save them, you know, But you can't save me. I'm an apostate and. Once you've already been to the Mormon, once you've already been to the temple, you've done it, and then you leave. You're unsavable. You're fucked. You're shunned.
Unless I if I went back and I begged for forgiveness and I went through like the whole excommunication and then I went to like, it's like court, like church court. And then you go in front of all this panel of men and they decide your fate whether you're sorry or not. And then they give you like they'll say like, oh, you have to wait a year and you have to get re baptized like you were never done any of it and rework your way all the way back up and
then go back through the temple. Maybe then I'm never doing that, by the way. Not because it's hard, just because it's yucky. Like I I never felt worse than I felt in that room. Because before you go to the temple, the church is really great. It keeps you busy and it's a little overwhelming on busyness, especially as a mom. But like they treat you well, They'll help you if you don't have food. They have all these great get togethers.
It's very community based. It's there if you have surgery, people will bring you casseroles, if you know, whatever, all that, all of it. And so my allergies are bad too. Today you're Kyle's having struggle I. Just took an allergy pill too. I don't know if it's helping or making it worse, but my cat's over here so I got cat. Anyhow, it's the worst. They're bad right now.
But yeah, so if you if you have that kind of community and they surround you and they treat you good, and especially they do to the youth, I mean, they really cater to the kids, which doesn't surprise me. Drew that you had a really good relationship with the neighbor and stuff. Like, they do basketball, they do dances, they do, you know, all this fun stuff, they do activities for kids and you can go meet a nice Mormon girl, you know, whatever. Like they do combined things, whatever.
But like later when you go through and you know what's really up, you can't take that back. And, you know, and you're sitting in church, like, for a month afterward, like, what the hell happened to me in there? It's bad. It's not. It's not fun. Yeah. And there I I never joined. I I was I was close. I was tempted there for a while. There was like 2-3 year stretch where I was tempted to go join the local Mason Temple. I had a a guy that I was really good friends with.
He was an older cat and he was telling me. Like he was he he told me, like the very first time he mentioned any of it. He was like, technically, if anybody finds out that I'm telling you this, I'm supposed to be like, staked on a pole and my guts are supposed to be ripped out of me and. Supposed to be like cast in the ocean or something like that. And I was just like, well, all right then. But he was telling me about how if I did this, 'cause I I wasn't going to go into their blind.
You know, I've always had reserves about it because of the ritualistic aspect of it. Like he told me that there were, I was going to basically have to go strip down in front of a whole temple full of strangers and do some stuff. And I was just like, I'm not. I don't think that I want it that much, you know, you're like, no, it might be cold that day. It's always cold. No, but like, I just. I was listening to the New York Patriot about that, and one guy was like, I would take a blue
chew. Maybe it was. Somebody. I guess it wasn't even that. It's just why do I got to get naked? You know? Like, why? Why do I have to get naked in front of the group? Because it's all guys. Yep. And you know, that's it's scary. I mean the stuff that is ritualistic is that way for a reason. And I really believe like OK with Joseph Smith and his, his upbringing, they served the House of a Brac and that means they they served a Braxis, which is a demon.
And I didn't learn this until I was way old. Like, I still don't think this is really out there much, but his mom had a direct quote that I sent to you and it said we have to serve the House of Abrac. Just because we've done other like things like treasure digging, whatever, doesn't mean we forget our service. And she was Scottish, so it makes sense, you know, because she was a healer as well. So I'm sure she had a background in the Magus in these kind of different things.
So my, my whole point is is like that whole religion. Later, after your first time, you then go back for who, the dead? Well, Abraxas is a necromancer, so it makes complete sense to my brain now. But like, back then I was like just, oh, this is what we do and that's how we do it. You know, it makes sense to you because people are like, it didn't make sense to me. And I was always a questioner and my grandma was just like, it's fine it you'll get used to it.
And I'm like, I know, but that shouldn't be how it feels like. It's kind of your end unless you become really high up in the church. It's kind of the highest you can go, you know? And so it's supposed to be your best day ever. And it was not my best day. Sucky, You know, I'm just like. Sorry, you're you're referring to the temple, the day that. OK, yeah, that's supposed to be like the the highlight of your life, The pinnacle. Because you get married for time.
First thing you do is you get married for time and all eternity, and you do that kneeling over an altar, holding each other's hands. There's no till death do us part stuff. The the guy just proceeds over it. He says what he wants. There's very few words, but the one thing they say is you'll be married for time and all eternity.
And you look in these mirrors that face each other, which is very occult in nature and they go on forever, Like when you can see through it like a tunnel of mirrors, that's what they have. You look down and I remember thinking, this just feels creepy. Like I I didn't feel like happy or oh, this is my what? That's your wedding day. Like in in that church, that's your wedding.
And if you've never been married before, see, I got a regular wedding because he was a Catholic and so we had to wait a year and and then he became Mormon. But other people, if you were just going to get married, your family cannot come if they're not Mormon and they don't have the the whole card and their temple worthy and the whole 9 yards, which means you're you're baptized into that church, that means you've already gone through the temple for yourself.
That's a long time. You know you've got to really put a lot of work in for all that. And so if you don't have that, your parents can't go. His parents couldn't go. Like when we went through that, I mean, and and they wear the dresses that I sent you instead of their wedding dress, and they put the wedding dress on afterward. Or you can put the stuff over
the top of the wedding dress. But by that time, you got a lot of stuff on, you know, then you got your garments, the dress, then the robe, then the apron, all this stuff on top. And that apron, One of my guys that I just interviewed not too long ago, he was like, the part that really got me was when you're in the temple ceremony, 'cause it's like a creation ceremony and God's creating the earth. And and they're like, talking to angels. And the angels are like, let's go visit Adam.
Is he OK? Blah, blah, blah. And then so in the Lone world, he's calling out to God and he's at an altar and and he used to say, they used to say Pele L, which means, oh, hear me, false God. But too many people started learning what it meant. And so now it's just, oh God, hear the words of my mouth. But who shows up after he says that at an altar is Lucifer, and Lucifer is the God of this world, as we know. And he shows up with an apron, that green fig leaf apron that
they wear. And he says, you better put this on because God's going to know you're naked. And so he gives the apron to us. And then the whole, the whole congregation stands up and they're like, please put on your apron. Why are we doing what the hell The devil says. That doesn't even make any sense. Like what? Why are we doing something like representing? Oh, Lucifer brought you an apron. So let's stand up and put it on, you know, And the aprons used to
look creepy. I sent you what Joseph Smith's look like. And it was Masonic. And my grandma. My great grandma. So great. Yeah, great Grandma. She's gone now. But she told me those aprons were so much better, They were so much prettier. And then they changed to the fig Leafs later. And she's like because they got a lot of pushback, 'cause there's occult stuff on them, There's like stars and moons and weird stuff on there. And I'm like, yeah, that's
weird. I don't know, Like the more I knew, the more I wished I hadn't known back then. But now I'm grateful, you know? But it just made me question. And you have to remember like I lost my whole family after this happened. Like, except for my mom, I I've never had a good relationship with my in laws. Because of this. I've never had, you know, felt accepted by them. My own grandma, who raised me after the courts took us, she raised me and she came after me
saying that I beat my kids. She brought CPS into it. She filed actual charges. She took me to court. And when she couldn't take my kids away, she sued me for like money and and my whole family thinks I'm a thief and like a bad person and that I beat my kids. So yeah, that's how bad it gets. You don't just leave unscathed. You don't just get a go now. And everybody knows, like, everybody's like, oh, you know, you know what she did?
Even even if you slip. And like, I have cousins that have slipped and, like, became drunks and stuff later or got into drugs later, as long as they didn't do what I do and say it's not true. They're fine. Like the church doesn't like it. But the family didn't throw them out, you know, The family's like, oh, he's just going through a hard time. He'll be back. It's fine, you know. But if you speak out and you're like, no, I'm done. I'm. I'm not doing that anymore. It's crap.
I don't like it. Then they come after you. So I don't know if every family would, but that's what happened to me. Yeah, it wasn't fun. It wasn't fun at all. They said my grandma was like, well, and the only reason why CPS didn't happen was because my daughter was 17, and they knew she was close to 18. And they said they could tell there was some fishy about it. And the CPS lady said, OK, well, I'm going to put you on the stand and you're close to 18, and I will perjure you if you
are lying. And my daughter was like, I don't even know what she wrote on that paper. My grandma wrote it. They were like, what? So they dropped the whole case. But still, I had to go through all of that. I mean, I was pregnant at the time with our last baby and it was brutal. Brutal. It was bad and it was all
because she heard that. I was listening to that Bishop, Earl guy and whatnot on in my own bedroom on my laptop and they were like, you're listening to anti Mormon propaganda and I am. So is it safe to say that there's really no separation of church and state in There's none. No, there's not. It's so. It's so controlled.
And when the thing from 2020 that will never go away happened, the church came out and told everyone, all of their people, that they should all go and get their kids done and get themselves done for the cure, the cure to be safe. And they pushed it on their whole everybody. And I was sick when I heard that. Because number one, there should never be anybody between you and your health except a doctor, probably.
You know you. You need to decide what's best for yourself in general, but also with what happened with the side effects and everything later. I and and they just don't even care. I mean, they'll push it again when the next. They're about to. They will. The Church will. Stand put that on a sideburner now that we're about to have World War Three with Israel. I saw that my husband didn't know what the heck I was. I was like, you know, this is like part of the prophecy of the
end of the world, right? And he's. Like what we just gave Iran $6 billion and Iran. Gave Hamas all these weapons that we left in Afghanistan and it's just crazy. It's going to be bad. It's going. To And we don't even need to be worried about Israel. They are not our friends, but they they always have been tied to America and America always stands with. Israel because they've always
controlled us, yeah. And the the because the Jesuits, they're all Jesuits. But yeah, yeah, I think that there's a lot more going on than meets the eye there. But I know this for a fact. I know that everybody should be noticing the signs of the times. And if you're not saved and you don't believe in in the Bible and Jesus, you better get that way real fast. Like you don't have to do
anything I say. But I'm here to tell you right now, like the earthquake that happened in Afghanistan, the wars that are breaking out, everything that's going on. Like, if you really aren't familiar with the signs and times of Noah, like maybe you should get that way, 'cause we're about there, you know, in the days of Noah will be just like that. And it's gotten nothing but worse, You know, I don't know. I mean, it doesn't definitely doesn't seem to be getting any better.
Oh, no, I don't think it will. And even with the next election, people have their faith and I'm like, are you guys ridiculous? Like they're going to put whoever the hell they want. It doesn't matter what we vote. It's selected, not elected. And that's just the truth. Like they're going to do what they want. Why have you chosen to remain in Utah? We're stuck here. I would love to actually go, but we have adult children that are all pretty planted and we have grandkids and.
So did your children prescribed to the kool-aid over there or they? No, no. Luckily. They're spared from the the shame that you got because I'm assuming they never made it through the temple, right? Nope, they never have. Looked at under the same lens as you. They're still in their eyes or in their world. Saveable, yes. And they treat them very different. Like if you want to go with some of the family, like treats them normal.
Even though I would say I have, I mean I can be crass at times. I'm really a loudmouth. Like I just say what I think, but like not loudmouth as in just obnoxiously loud for no reason. But if I have a a feeling awesome, I'm just going to say it, you know? And I don't sugarcoat anything because a sugar coated dog turd is still dog turd. So I just skip that because I'm not about that, you know? But my daughter's almost worse than me in that respect. And they they just love her.
They think she's great. Like, same with my husband. There's no shame on him. It's mostly me. And he feels bad about it. I mean, don't misunderstand. He feels, he feels sad that it's like it is. They don't do anything outwardly per SE anymore because I have no contact with my family, and other than the ones that are out, I only have my mom, who's here. Another reason. And then I my brother died and so did my dad, so I didn't. I don't really have anybody
else. All the extended family has pretty much written me off and they think I'm a thief and a bad person and his family never really got close with me. And it was awkward, you know, from the get go, 'cause they knew all that. So they're not mean to me. They just, I think they have a certain opinion. And I mean, I I can't change that. You know, if they see my podcast, which I always last time she asked, she was like his, His mom's really, really,
really religious. And she's like, oh, so what's the name of your podcast? And I'm like, oh, they swear a lot on there. The people I interview, you wouldn't like it. She's like, yeah, I wouldn't like that. Oh, thank goodness. I'm like, oh boy, because otherwise I mean, but eventually somebody somewhere is going to see it. I mean, it gets out and I just, whatever it is, what it is, like, what can you do? I'd rather save the people that are worth saving than try and change people's minds.
Same thing with the other situation that we went through in 2020. Like we pushed it so hard trying to help them. I'm like a nurse. I'm reading JAMA studies. I'm talking to you. I'm telling you what I'm learning. Like I'm telling you the things I'm hearing. I'm telling you all this stuff and you're still not listening to me. And it was like battling.
And finally I just said to my husband, let them do what they're going to do because it's you're you're preaching to somebody that's not going to change their mind. And same thing for the church. They're not going to be the ones that change their mind. But maybe I can help somebody else, you know, God spared me for a lot of reasons. I think it both in near death experiences and in this whole situation. And I'm so grateful that I feel like I have to speak it like some people don't.
It would be easy for me to not. I never wanted to do podcasting. I never knew how to do this like it would be. It was so weird. That's what I was thinking, you know, for you to have gone through all of this and to continually put yourself through it on top of remaining in Utah like it, it seems like not too many people are going to choose the least. He's the path to live, you know, like it. Surely it can't be. I mean, because there's got to be no escape from it like so.
Are there other? Like, are there Catholic churches, Baptist churches? Are there other denominations of Christianity in Utah? Or is it kind of, I mean, I know it's predominantly a Mormon state, but like it's be it's, it's changed leaps and bounds. So in the small, I'm in a not small city, but like not a big city either.
It's kind of in the middle and we do have a non denominational Christian Church. Now we do have a Catholic Church and I remember when it went up because they put it right by a Mormon church and it just ticked all the Mormons off. But they have a church on every corner. You you know it literally there is a church almost. It's a joke, but it's real. Almost every block we have ALDS church and now what they're doing, oh they're so sneaky. It bothers me. My husband showed me on the
maps. Oh, look, it's little friend. My husband showed me on the maps and you know, the the Mormon churches used to be shown with the Angel Moroni blowing the trumpet. And then the Christian churches or Catholic churches or Baptist churches were shown with a cross because Mormons don't like the cross. They'll never wear a cross and they don't like the cross. And so my husband went on the little map thing the other day and he's like, you know, they changed them all to crosses.
And I'm like, what? And he's like, yeah, all the LDS churches now or have crosses on them on Google Maps. And I was like, that is so not OK because they're probably getting people that have no clue. And then they're already in it. And like I said, it's great until you go to a certain level. And I guess if you really buy the kool-aid and you're a person that's like, yeah, I think this is great no matter what, they probably are really happy with their decision and doing all that stuff.
But like, they're not going to go learn anything, you know, So they're welcoming, they're helpful now, they're leading probably people to the church that were just regular Christians looking for a normal Christian Church, so. Are there are there like for every physical separate church building? Is there a a a a temple? For that church building, there's they do it by the population. So like in the city I live in, there was never a temple here. We had to go to Ogden.
Ogden's a little closer. Like there's Salt Lake and then there's like Davis County and then there's Ogden, which is Weber County. So in Salt Lake County, they had the big temple that's been there forever since Brigham Young and all that then. And it started. They started popping up everywhere. There's all these little towns about every 15 miles. And now they have one halfway through to my town. They have one in my town. They have one in Ogden, which is
10 miles away. They have one in Logan. I mean, they they have them just, it's all dependent on population. So if you have a certain amount of population, they'll build a temple there. And actually they built it right down from my grandma's old house. She would have been so happy if she were still alive. Oh, I wasn't. I wasn't at all. I was like, oh, but. Yeah, Ogden's a big deal in Hell on Wheels. You'll oh Ogden. Yeah.
And Ogden had a temple there, and they're redoing all of them right now, which there's a complete grid system underground in Salt Lake and I believe in Ogden as well, which is. Where the transcontinental railroad came to completion. I think it was infernal, but I don't know for sure like Promontory Point or no. Yeah, but it's all close by and there is a big rail station that has like all kinds of old fashioned stuff at the Ogden rail station.
But it it's wild to me how much like it's changed. The temple used to be like in only in big cities, bigger cities. Now they're making all of them like pop up everywhere. And they, I mean because they know they are big preppers, I will say that they have a really good basis for like end of the world type prepping. They'd really push that. So I'm assuming it's going by the signs of the times that they're building more and more temples, you know, but I don't know for sure.
I'm not in anymore, but I know they're everywhere now and they didn't used to be. They're popping up and you can't go in there. Like if you tried to go in there, like they would arrest you, like you can't go in there. You can visit the temple grounds and they decorate them really pretty at Christmas, but you cannot go to the temple and it's surrounded by gates and everything. You can't fake it either. Everything's not. They're not dumb. They got digital now.
Everything's digital. You can't mess around. You won't get in there, only people. The only people that have gotten in there to help like break this all open is people that stayed, members that didn't believe in it and they were like those Google Glasses and they like recorded the whole thing. That's where some of those pictures came from that I sent you is from people that went undercover. That's how bad you got to do it.
You got to like become it like and it takes at least a year and a half so. So if I were to just pop up. To the to the church and say, hey, I want to join your church. It would take me about a year and a half to book to.
I'm even even thought about getting to the temple part of That's crazy because you have to be a member for a full year, and then so whatever date you got baptized, then after that year, they have to go through and make sure you're doing everything you're supposed to. So you're supposed to be, and their rules are. Some of their rules are good. They're supposed to be. Re baptized under their thing to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They don't baptize people to God.
That's exactly the words they say. You are now baptized as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They don't baptize you to baptize you to God. See, I could. I feel like I should get a past because I was baptized in the Church of Christ. We just don't have of the Latter Day Saints. I mean, I figure we're all Latter Day Saints, ain't we? They don't.
They don't think that they're. They're no. And it's all like recorded, like it's all digitalized and they know everything, like, and to get your name off of the records, like, if you don't want to do this anymore and you want to be done, you can't just call up and be like, I want my name taken off. No, you got to go through, you got to sign like an affidavit. You got to go through a whole
big thing. And they still count all those people as people in the church, like people like me, that I I'm not going to take the time, 'cause I figure eventually they're going to catch wind of my podcast and they'll excommunicate me and then it won't take so long. That's what I would. Let it be their problem. Yeah, I'm like. They'll expedite the process for you? Yeah, 'cause then. Otherwise they're going to fight me on it. So I'm like, I'm not going to fight them on it.
What? Do you mean they're going to fight you? That they try to make you go to a Bishop's appointment and they make you, like, come in and talk with them? And I'm. I'm not doing that. Yeah, I'm not doing it. So I'm like, you know what? You guys can just find out on your own and kick me out, 'cause that sounds a whole lot easier. That's so insane. So, so as of right now they just think that like you just like dipped out? She's AWOL. Yeah, yeah.
But they know. And they send the missionaries sometimes, and I tell them straight to their face. So I'm shocked. I haven't been, like, kicked out yet because when the missionaries show up, I'm like, I'm an apostate. I don't believe in it and I don't. I don't like an apostate means like I'm against you. Yeah. But like, would that be like telling, telling Ronald Weasley, hey, I, I, I'm a Death Eater? That level of like, are they just like, filled with dread or is it like they're?
Immediate need to just save you on this fight. Probably some saving because they're actually out in the mission field to save people. But I've told them before, I'm like, don't come at me with your stuff. I'm like, you're nice and I'll let you use my bathroom, but don't come at me with your crap. Like, I know everything. And my husband sometimes will mess with them because he's, he's naughty. He'll be like, they'll be like, can we share a word with you today?
And he's like, can I share a word from the Bible with you today? And they're like, yeah. And so he'll like, give them the Bible verse. And they're like, I've never heard that one before. And I was laughing because I I was like one of the main ones. I can't remember. And I was like, what? And he's like, yeah, they never heard it before. And he cracks me up. I won't do it. I don't like playing the game. Game. I'm not rude, but I'm like I'm an apostate.
You can't teach me anything. I know everything that there was to know. I did it all and I am saying it's completely evil and they just look at me like I'm going straight to hell. So. So what would what would your advice be to anybody that that might encounter A missionary or two knocking on their door? They don't. You know, they could be from whatever background, but they don't. They don't want to talk to them, they don't want to let them in, but they don't want to just be rude.
What what do you suggest do do remember that those people are like children. They're either 18 or 19 or they only go till they're 21 or 22 Max. So be kind. If they get enough door slammed in their face, I'm still a Christian at the end of the day. Like the one girl the last time she was like, I really got to go to the bathroom and I'm like, oh, I would never make somebody not go to, like, you can use my bathroom. Like what? Like, that's fine.
You know I just don't want to hear your message and if you need something or if I can help you with something, great because maybe I'll be the one Christian they remember didn't do that. Like I'm I'm always hopeful to
help people out. Just like we can't be, we always have to be shepherds, too, you know, we're we're fighting a battle against something that they don't even understand because they've probably been, like I was my whole life, indoctrinated since you were born, and we can't blame them, you know? So a lot of times I would, I would just say there's going to be nothing. I don't want to hear, like your full message.
I think it's great you think that this is something you're convicted to do. You should really put the time into reading the Bible. I would always encourage people just 'cause they don't, they don't read the Bible, and I don't think they get it enough. And that's why my husband does that. He also is a smart aleck and he's also a redhead. And they're full of it.
But. I think that's a good point though that you make because like if they if you still treat them like with respect as like a human being and again like you're being a good Christian and maybe even you mentioned like you know I'm I'm a Christian. I'm you know you're more than welcome to use my bathroom. Can I get you some water? Can I get you know, send you on your way with something, whatever the case may be, but later on down the road if they end up.
Like you and they start realizing like this is not the way to go. They'll probably remember you and be like you know that Lady was very, very very kind to me. Super nice and and. Not, not everybody's just going to throw you out on their tail like a like a salesman, you know? And that's my big thing, is the whole reason why I started this podcast, which I didn't start this podcast. I went on a show with Josh Monday and then I went on two more shows with Josh Monday and
after that. And he was like, you know, people listen to you a lot. You probably should share your stuff because that Mormon show got a lot of hits. He's like, I'm talking like 5000 hits or some crazy number. And I was like, what? And then he was like, you should probably just think about it. And I I was like, you got to be crazy. Like, I I I didn't even want to go on the show because I'm a nurse and I'm just this.
I was very normie until 2020 and I didn't really feel like my stuff was like important to share, I guess like I did the well. But when you're going, when you're like a normal person, you're like, no, nobody's going to listen to you, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. And then the more people that I've talked to, they're like, no, this is crazy. Like, no, nobody talks about this. You should talk about it. And so I felt convicted to do it. I prayed a lot about it.
I didn't just snap into it real fast and silly. Like, I prayed so much about it because I'm like, OK, is this going to help people? Because ultimately that's all I care about. Like, is this going to help people or not? And I felt so strong about it that I was like, OK, I guess we're going to do this. Like, I never thought I'm. I've never wanted to be. I never thought I'd be. I just, I was like, OK, I guess
we're doing this. Well I can honestly say I've never turned on a show that you were on and have been bored or disappointed with the show because you it's just I didn't want to bring you on here and then talk to you about the exact same thing that you go and you talk to on Sunday night or you go and talk to on Red Pill cartel or wherever else you show up. I I I'm really glad that you sent me the pictures that you did ahead of time and.
Actually had something you wanted to because I didn't know what we were going to talk. I mean I didn't know what we were going to do. And I was this has been amazing because I've never heard anything. You know it the way that you have shown the parallels between Masonic, you know rituals and Mormon rituals. Like there for a minute if you don't have a background history of. You know the Mormon faith that
the blinds get blurred there. For a minute I was like, wait, are we still talking about Mormons? Or are we talking about you're like? Masons again? Like, I don't know. I don't know what to do with my hands over well and the Mason shakes. Like, we didn't even get into that, those those handshakes, Joseph Smith made them into that they're actually the signs. And so he changed them. So like the sure sign of the lion's paw, he changed to the sure sign of the nail. So he made them.
He just tweaked it just a little bit. But it's the same exact sign and. Are there different grips with the different levels of what do you what do you call them? A level ascension? You have to know these ascension. So to pass, they believe that the veil is guarded by angels, Sentinels that know these handshakes, and they are identical to the Mormon handshakes that we get.
And then we have a guy that puts his hand through this little curtain and you have to do the handshake with him, and then you do it again and again to the other handshake. And then if you don't know those or the name of it, then you can't pass by into fake heaven. So, like, at the end, the whole thing is like a play to get to heaven so that you do it over and over and over so you know those signs and symbols when you die, and then they give you a new name.
And my name I told to my husband my name was Abigail, which I shouldn't tell anyone. But this is all. I refuse to hold secrets. Like a lot of Mormons like Mormon Stories in the Mormon Podcast, they they say we're not going to talk about it because of of respect. And I understand their position. My position is I will refuse to keep anything in the dark because I'm helping people into the light. I'm not going to keep things in the dark that are crap because God put me here and This is why
and and that's what I'm doing. So if I don't come out with it, then I don't even need to be here. Like, I mean, you know, entertaining or not, I'm trying to save people's souls from like, necromancy and weirdo stuff. So anyway, you give your name to your husband, he he will go through the veil. He gives the little signs and the handshakes to the guy. He goes through the veil and they ask him his name and that that guy's God, Fake God behind the veil.
And so he gets pulled through. And guess who calls my name? Not God? My husband, because he is my God, right? And so and I'm not like one of those women that are not like, I believe in the Bible and I believe the man should still be the head of the household. And in a lot of ways. But like, we still do everything
together. Like he's the head in a certain way, like biblically or if there's a major decision and we really differ on it, OK. But he's always going to listen to me because he loves me like Christ loves the church. So he loves me enough to know that if I feel strongly, I'm going to be not happy. So we make every decision together, which people make this so weird and they're like, well, you have to bow to your husband and you have to bow to patriarchy. And it's not.
It's not that in the Mormon Church, it is that though they do put that over on their wives and they say I'm the priesthood holder, your 12 year old son has more authority than you do. Yeah, No. Fuck that. Yep. Your 12 year old, any boy that has the priesthood, he has more than I have. And so at 12 years old they get their first stuff and he has
more than I got. And so if I'm sick and I need a blessing where by the way they're real loosey goosey on the laying on of hands, which in the Bible it says be real, real careful about laying on of hands. You don't just want to throw that around. They do that when you're sick. They do that when you're you know need help with something. They do it all the time and then they give you a special blessing. I've I haven't mentioned this in other ones.
I don't think they get they have a patriarch in your in your church and they give you a prophesying blessing and tell you what tribe of of whatever you're from like all the Mormons are from the tribe of Ephraim. So, like, but if you were brown, I bet you'd be like the tribe of, you know, Lehigh because he was darker. Whatever. You know what I mean? So they tell you what one of the 12 tribes you're from and they give you this blessing on your
life. And they say, like, you'll go on, you'll have kids, you'll do this, you'll do that. Like it's fortune telling almost. And they anoint you with oil to do this. And it's like super private and I can't find mine. I looked everywhere 'cause I was like, I'm bust this out. Maybe I should get a copy before they throw my ass to the curb.
But because they'll send it to me, but I'm like, you know, that seems so weird, like when it says all over the Bible, you're not supposed to do future telling stuff like that. So why are why are they doing that? You know they put this blessing on kids when they're like 16 and you're talking about their whole future and how you should be strong in the church and strong in the. And a lot of it's basic, I'm sure just like my special name. I thought my name was super freaking cool.
I was like, Oh yeah, I got this cool name And then I'm like, what if you forget your name? And then I'm, I talked to my grandma and she's like, oh, don't worry, you just call and tell the temple what day you went through and they'll know what your name is. I'm like why she's like, cuz all of them got the same name that day. I'm like, oh, OK. That is so crazy. It's almost like a way to keep tabs on you. Yep. And well, the Masons, Masons get
new names when they go through. So it it's very You should talk. You should show your Mason friend like this episode and a couple of my episodes and just see his face and be like, because a lot of the Masons I've talked to are like, what? Like they're just blown away. You should. I think you should link up with Thomas from The Paranoid American All right. Yeah, 'cause. He's an, he's an active, I believe. Oh, so he'll know. He's an active Mason. Is, is he? Oh, wow.
He's he's a practicing Mason, so he'll know. He'll know the stuff. That'd be amazing because I haven't been able to be on with one. I've talked to one, but they're like, this stuff is secret. I'm not, I'm not going to go on in your show and I'm like, OK and the OTO stuff, I looked out and found out because Patriot went on. So I'd love to link up with somebody on the Mason side because he was an OTO member. He was, it was more crawly stuff, but it was still similar.
And I'm like, how come we're doing devil worship stuff in there? Like what? Who knows, I might get the wild hair up my ass and I might go join. My local just to just to and I'm too old to care about that now this was this was you know 10 almost you know dozen years ago when I was young and. Still cared about what other people thought. Now, if some old man wants to look at my crusty ass, he's more than welcome. I've seen so many naked people.
I think if I ever saw something like that, I would walk in and be like, oh, they're not dressed. What 'cause I'm a nurse. I like that kind of party. Yeah. I've seen more naked people than I can count. My kids are always laughing about that. I'm like, I don't care if somebody showed up streaking. I'd laugh. Yeah, do it. That would be awesome. That would be the best. Because I guarantee you ain't nobody around here listening to me talk on a podcast. Just a second. Oh man, this I'm just.
Mind blown. Truly just. I'm just thinking about everything she's, she's said since we started and I'm just wow guys there. Yes, ma'am. Yeah, that's a lot. Every once in a while, every once in a while, my earphones like to play this game that they aren't connected anymore and I have no idea why it doesn't. So. You hook up your earbuds, just you Bluetooth them to your computer. Uh Oh no. I'm losing sound. What? I mean, that's what I do. Hold on.
Bluetooth, One of my earbuds to the laptop. See, I when my my brother built me this computer, but I don't think he put in a like a Bluetooth transmitter or receiver or else I would be doing the exact same thing. But I might have, I might have a fix to that. So I want to. Well, I was using some headphones, but the the the headphone Jack on the laptop just shitted out on me one day. So I had no choice but to use Bluetooth. Yeah, that's smart.
My I hang my headphones right over my little boom right here and my cats fucking play with it at night. Bro, I thought that when that happened, I thought that I thought the show was going to be done for a while until I could buy a new laptop. Because, you know, I didn't. It took me like AI had to sit there and really put my CRO Magnum and thinking cap on and. Scratch around for a minute and I was like, how dumbass? OK, I need a Bluetooth receiver. What were you saying? I need a what?
What? A Bluetooth receiver. Oh yeah, yeah, sorry. You you. I think you lot you lost hearing us. But yeah, no, I'm. I need to get a Bluetooth receiver. I have one that I use when I used to game, I would plug it into so I can connect my controller to my laptop. So I think I might be able to use that to make it work. Work but but my PC doesn't have a. It was built by my brother so it doesn't have a Bluetooth like transmitter so.
Dude, I bet there's a way you could buy buy something like you could put it into a USB port. Yep, that's all. That's all it takes. That's all it takes. I have. I have one, It's an Xbox One, but I still think it would work. I actually have two of them, just in case one of them takes a shit. But I'm gonna give that a try cuz. But I do. I like this better, like I was using like the big. When I first started, like the big old honky headphones and you know, that was cool.
But I always have issues with the cords and I think bluetooth's just the way to go. Yeah. Keep it simple, yeah, that was some good shit. I'm about a month out from getting my Christmas bonus, so I'm hopefully going to be getting a new computer, so I'm looking forward to that. My computer's new, but boy, this is being naughty right now. I'm thinking for are you using a? I keep losing hearing.
Are you? One thing that I was thinking of, Hank, is that when I get my taxes back, I really, there's a lot of things I've been like, should we get like a Nikon P-1000, like? All this stuff but I'm. I'm thinking, I'm thinking like an iPad would be dope because you can do all your podcasting. Especially the newer iPads are bad ass because. If I had it set up and if I move over here, it'll automatically the camera will automatically find me. Oh really?
If that makes sense, yeah, it's pretty fucking cool. I remember Catalyst saying went back when I first met him. He was saying he did his pod from a from a laptop or a. IPad. MacBook. Yeah, Yep, Yep, we shall see. Heidi, can you hear? I might get a minute. I don't know what's going on. I'm. I'm waiting for it to behave itself. I'm hoping it will. I'm so sorry. No, you're fine. It's You are completely fine being crazy. I've never had it be this bad. Like it's always.
It's always worked after I reset it, but of course if something can't go wrong, it will go wrong 'cause we were on fire for a minute. Hey, Heidi, if it makes you feel any better, that's how it goes, right? That's that Mormon FBI agent getting mad at you and messing with you, all right? Yeah, no kidding. We were talking about demons there. I think we were just about at the end anyways. We were doing. Hank and I did a show with.
Troubles from Paranoid Radio. He's also someone you should reach out to. And we were in the middle of recording, everything was going great and then I get a little thing on my Zoom saying I have 5 minutes left and I'm like what the fuck? So I go, I go to pay my bill and I owe Zoom like over 200 bucks and I I'm not fucking going to pay it. How? Do you know Zoom? Because what what had happened was, is. I kept like when I fired up Zoom, I would get these little things saying hey failed to
process payment. So I'm like what the fuck? So I would go into the settings and it says that my subscription is still active. So what it did was for 10 months it was allowing me to keep going without paying and. That's their fault. And then I know. And I I couldn't figure out because I'm I'm looking at my bank. I'm like, I'm not seeing the 1499 come out every month. I don't know what's going on. And Long story short, yeah, it all caught up to me.
So now I now I use Stream yard because I'm. Not paying. The two I'm not paying that $200.00. It's not happening. Yeah, I would just I was going to ask you why you switched because I I do zoom but I don't, I don't love some of the ways it is a little difficult sometimes especially to add your intro like when you're going on to add intro or whatever and I might just change it so it dips right in like how you guys do like the intro to the show at the beginning.
I I have like a little video thing, but I'm not in love with it that much. It drives me crazy sometimes. Well, I like stream yards. I want to start doing like monthly. I want to do like one monthly show live. So it'll be it'll be streamed on like Twitch and and wherever else. So I think that'd be that's kind of one of the reasons why I'm I'm using it and it's I'm still paying. I think I paid. I think I'm paying 20 bucks a month for it. But you can do so much like
crazy shit. But then again you have to look at I don't even know how to do this. You have to look at how many people are watching your podcast or how many people are listening. Because if most people listen and for Hank, Hank just does audio, which is totally fine. So it doesn't matter the platform, you might as well go with the cheapest route, right?
You know, but with the zoom. With the zoom, you can upload it to Spotify, but then Spotify won't let you do ads until you get to some ungodly amount of listeners. Like in a month? No, you just got to have 100 listens a month. Oh really? And and I'm I don't even, I don't even have 100 followers and I'm able to do ads. We've actually been slacking the last two months. I need to actually, after we get done recording, I'm probably going to record the ad read so
that we can. Because we made like one month, we made a whopping like 50-8 cents, right? It's not a money builder, but it's for sure to like offset. Like I I went in to try and do it and I had like hundreds of listens in like a month and and they were like, no, you don't qualify for ambassador ads, blah blah blah. I. Think you have to wait? It has to be. Like consecutive months. Or so. It's weird, It's weird.
But you I guarantee you right now, like I can almost guarantee you, that you have it 'cause you you got more than I do for sure it. Was weird. I don't. I don't know how I would even go about adding a audio to my show because I use. Or adding visual to the show because I just use the audio software audio editing software. That's how I build my show.
I'll let, I'll let this. Download from Zoom and then I'll run it through a converter program and then I could put it into this other program and put my intro in and mess with the audio and then put my outro on it and send it out. But I don't think the only intro, yeah the only thing that is ever a problem is the freaking intro. Like otherwise you can drag it, it's a drag and drop for the video, you just take it and pop it in there. But then you got the intro problem.
Like today, when I'm releasing today, it's not going to have my intro on it because of this very reason. I'm like fine, whatever we can do as a shortcut. We can do on a future. On a future day we can do a a zoom meeting and I'll share my screen and I'll show you how to easily do an like it is. Freaking easy. Yeah 'cause I'm having issues with it and I'm like, this is so stupid. Like, people send me files and sometimes it'll be from stream yard or wherever.
And like it came as an MP4, but it came as a shortcut and so that that and I could have contacted and gone through that and I didn't want to like bother them, you know what I mean? It's kind of like you don't want to make it their problem, you know what I'm saying? Cause a lot of my podcasts right now are like share podcasts, because I literally can't do anymore, 'cause I'm doing 2 a week since I started shows. And that's a lot for me because I work and have the kids.
I don't know. I know Kyles. Crazy he does. I don't know how many. You're doing me and Kyle kind of got our plates full because I try to do 2 episodes a week just on the on my 643 and then me and Kyle have holistic roots. And we try to get a show win at least once a week, and then he's got Sunday night. And I feel bad because Kyle's always there for me. Whenever I need Kyle to jump on, he's always there for me.
But I'm never able to be there for him because he wants to start it like night time for him. And by the time that he starts, like I've got like 30 minutes till my wife says we're going to bed. And when the warden says it's time to go, night, night. You go night time. You don't want to miss. You don't want to miss night time. Mr. Mr. Freeze's daughter as he. Yeah, I I might. I might end up having to sleep on the couch or something.
She'll take up the whole bed. Oh no. Oh dude, I'm freezing right now, dude. Like, it's not even 70 degrees outside. She's still got the air conditioner on. If it was just me in here, I wouldn't have the air on. I wouldn't have no fan on. But no, we got to have it all going. Mr. Freeze, you guys are doing a lot of shows, then a week. Holy crap, we're. We don't always hit our marks, but yeah, that's why I noticed you don't put out like this is out now.
You just let him out. I'm like, holy cow. Kyle's like ripping him out there. Well, I so I I kind of dude, I've been slacking, man. Like I have been doing shows, but like as soon as I'm done, especially if I'm doing like a night show, as soon as it's done recording or in in in the files upload, I put my headphones on and I'm done. And then I'll do that like three or four times and I'm like, fuck, I haven't even put any of
these episodes out. So just the other day when I went in and corrected that your name changed, I was like, I'm already fucking sitting down, dude. I might as well just start cranking them out. So I have another one I just did with Legit Bath. That was fucking awesome. That'll be coming out here in a couple of days. But I like to kind of bank them and save them because of shit happens during the week and someone cancels or whatever. I still have a show to put out,
so it's. See, I wish I had me a couple in my back pocket I could whip out. I have some back pocket. But the thing about mine are all like how he was saying, I'm glad this show didn't do that, but a lot of times they want to know certain things and then you're doing very similar stuff for me, 'cause I'm interviewing on other people's shows, I'm not having people on my show yet because there I have no time left.
Like, I'm, it seems like I'm doing them all the time or trying to upload something or doing something for it. And I'm like, I got kids, so we homeschool and all that. Well, it's like Montessori, but they require a lot more there. So like you have to go shop or only you have to do things. So I'm like, oh, that's how it's going to be for now, I guess. Oh, well, I I jump on the Taverns. Yeah, different Tavern shows that you guys do.
You know are are they does I know you you were on on Friday, right Hank? No, I wasn't able to make it. No. We've been having our hot water heaters pretty much shit the bed and between that and we we had one kid that decided that they were going to become the devil Incarnate this weekend and I had to work all day Saturday so I didn't get to go hop on the Tavern. I wanted to he he invited me on. I was wanting to be there for for ghost return to the Tavern, but I was unable to oblige.
I'll be on there again soon though, I'm sure. It was. It was pretty early though. It was earlier than normal. I think It was what? Was it? 430 your time, yeah. See, I wouldn't have even. I would have been two 2 1/2 hours late to it anyway because I get off work at 4:30 my time. Yeah, I I didn't get invited to the one this week. But then Davey invited me to 1, and then I was already on the Christian 1. The coalition withdrew. I was like, I'm. Sorry, I've got to listen to
that one. See, I I I'm, I'm glad IA lot of people drop stuff during the weekend that I that I follow because by Friday I have no podcast to listen to. I've been burnt through everything from the week and and so it gives me a nice little Monday and Tuesday. I'm like yeah, because I'm while I'm at work. That's all I'm doing is listening to podcasts while I work. That's what I do. One ear bud, one ear. And getting on down the road.
And everybody knows just when when when you're at work with Hank, you just got to speak up a little louder. He can hear you. He he'll hear you. I just tell him to give me the signal I'm. Mine and whoever. And look at folks in their face listening to three people talk at once. Hey, your wife, your wife probably appreciates all that multi. Well, no, I don't play those games around her, she, But it teaches you to multitask other things, so that's good. Yeah, because guys.
Sometimes, I mean, I used to be. I used to not listen to podcasts like, but it wasn't too far, too too long before I started mine that I even got on the podcast wagon. Like it might have been 4-3 or four months before I started my show that I even jumped on the train and. I was a music guy. Like, even now there's a song playing in the back of my head while we're having this
conversation. Like the jukebox is just always on. And I just reached a point where I was at work, I was like, I cannot listen to fucking music anymore. There's only so much Pandora and music out there. Like, I've listened to it all. I listened to it all. So I was like, let's give podcast a try. And then that led to. Me being so interested in stuff that me and my original Co host started one up. They're like, here we are. And it's it's been about what that was April so that was
January fair and white. So that's four wearing what this is 10, so half a year later and here we are. Wild Ride started from recording off of our phones. So that's how I did too, with my kids Puzzle Light. Yeah, I was like, OK, that's my first episode with Josh. In fact, I didn't stop recording off my phone forever. And actually, in some respects it's easier. I can share photos really good. Especially if you're using the
well, I imagine. You could use Zoom on your phone too, but when we first started we were just using the Spotify for podcasters app. We were just recording straight from that app and then you didn't have to worry about converting or you just hardly had Zoom. You had you had one editing tool and that was like crop cropping ends off of it or you could enhance the audio. That's what it said, but there was no. Fine tuning the audio, there was no none of the converting it
from none of that. It was just all right there on the app and you uploaded it right there from your phone. It was really easy. But when you do, when when you're using the Spotify, because I still use Spotify for podcasters to upload my shows, but doing it from the laptop, you get so much more abilities as far as. With the show notes and and the when you want to insert ad
breaks and all that stuff. I insert ad breaks to every show, and I've never heard one single ad play on my show outside of the Do you want to start a punk hand like I'll put? Six. I'll put six or eight. You know, I'll put 322 AD breaks, you know, 32AD AD breaks throughout a show, depending on how long it is or whatever. But when I listen back to it, I'd never hear them. Like, I'm not getting paid for anything. Like I was only getting paid for the Ambassador ad.
So I don't know. I still think I'm still missing something, but that's what I think I'm. I'm just always confused about how it works. So I'm like, I don't qualify for Ambassador and I've never seen anything else. So I was like. I never started this to make a dime, but no but to cover the cost it. Would be. It'd be. It'd be nice if it paid for the the zoom cost each month. Yeah, not even anything big,
just something small like that. I mean, and I'm not knocking on people that are able to pay bills off of it because, I mean, if people wanted to, you know, felt so obliged to help me pay some rent around here or or towed this grocery bill for these bottomless pits. Of kids of I have. But you know, I I wouldn't complain. But that's not why we started this. No, no, I don't think that's why anybody does it.
That stays in it anyway. There's only a few elite people that get that many ways that you're making big money. I think people think it's a lot different than what it really is. You know? It's kind of funny. All right, well, my kids are jumping on me. They're saying let's. Do let's go we're before. We wrap this up. Why don't you let everybody know where they can find you? Miss Heidi? Yes, I am at Unfiltered Rise and I'm everywhere where any of the podcasts are serviced.
Apple, Spotify, all the other ones as well. And I'm at unfilteredrise@gmail.com. If you have a story you'd like to share with me, I'm on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok. I think I've covered them all at this point. Yeah. Thank you enough for coming on today. You have just. I'm going to be dwelling on what you dropped today for a few days. Like I'm probably, it'll probably be Thursday and I'll text Kyle and be like, dude, think about this and it'll be something that we talked about today.
Like, you have blown my mind. Like, I'm really going to start doing some deep, deep diving into it just for myself if you haven't listened to the two Josh Monday episodes. Because it breaks it down with pictures like what they're doing in each photo. So it's kind of nice to, like, put it with each thing, because back then I wasn't, and now I just do it, 'cause I know. But back then I was real scared.
So I was very regimented. Well, I thoroughly enjoyed everything that you brought for us today and you have a open invitation. Anytime you want to come back on, you're more than welcome. Awesome. Well, I definitely will probably be taking you up on that. So I appreciate it. And Kyle too. Hopefully I'll be seeing you on another one. Absolutely. Brother, let them know where you're at. Let me know, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Sunday night. We're at Sunday night. Come check us out.
We're everywhere. Holistic roots, come check us out. Stay fly. Stay blessed, you know. Holistic Holistic Route Discord server. Berlin. Yeah. Yeah, We're going to do that. Yeah. Yeah, actually. I might even do. That today? Yep. I might even do that tonight. That's a good idea. So we'll be, we'll be spreading that around. Because I almost set it up yesterday after work. I was bored and I was like, Nah, I better get better. Give a call. Hey, either or man. Either or either or.
This is, this is a. Anyhow, I don't know what I was going to say. It's like, yeah, it'll be fun. It'll be fun. And then even a ID. If you ever want to hop on there and talk some holistic stuff, that'd be dope. Yeah, absolutely. That sounds good to me. All right. Well, thank you. Yeah, brother. Thank you. Yeah brother, I'm thank you for coming on with me, holding it down. Like I said, you might as well be a permanent Co host of the show at this point. I'll take it.
I'll take it. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we thank y'all for sticking with us to this point of the episode. We love y'all and as always, we'll catch y'all next time.