154. Unfiltered Conspiracy: Decoding Permindex: Mormon Mafia Continued

Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of The Unfiltered Rise and the 6th Century Podcast because it's both of ours today and we are doing another collaboration, which I just love because me and Tim, we get on things and we think the same and it's fun. Or even if it's different, it's always fun. So Tim, how you doing today? Hey, I'm good. Thanks for introducing. Me. Oh, glad you team. I want to just by hand of you and I'm just going to introduce you. We're you can figure it out.

No. Yeah. Well, here with me today and I wasn't prepared to give this introduction, but my friend Heidi Love from the Infiltered Rise podcast. Heidi, how are you doing today? I am great because I am here with you and we always have a fun time talking and all my kids are not here. How weird is that? Like a. Hollow House or something like. Well, it's a quiet house and I don't have to worry about like everybody's screaming and

yelling and I tried to record. That's why I have my little light, so they know because apparently the visual isn't enough. They just look in the room and they see the light. Yeah, all this stuff. I'm like, you didn't see the camera here Like, oh, no, apparently so. Yeah, that's my my sign. We were just talking about this world's fair thing. It's about to be like reintroduced. And I didn't know about this. This is crazy. But apparently Trump is going to bring back the world's fairs.

And those were really wild because I mean, people are still looking back at the old picture of those and scratching the heads me like, huh, Did they? Why did they build all these magnificent buildings just to tear them down? And then like, if in the case of Nashville, we still have some of those buildings up from that World's Fair. But there was and there was a pyramid too, but they took the pyramid down and it's like shrouded in mystery.

But what really caught my eye is when you mentioned how long they're going to be. So he's bringing the original time span. He has been talking about this since. So me and Matt from Great Deception podcast did a podcast on this. I think it was when I first started and I, I text him, I said, you got to do one with me because he's the guy. He's like, you know, the world's fairest guy.

And I was like, this is awesome. And we both have been talking about it. It starts April 13th to October 13th, 2025. But he's been talking about this for almost 2 years and with the red heifers, with everything that's happening with him, sending his, you know, replica, is it a replica, his replica of the Ark of the Covenant to Israel? With all the Israel talk, I'm not, you know, I'm on the sidelines. I never will condemn anybody because I watch for the fruits

of their laborers. But I'm anxious a little bit. You know, I know it seems like there's this speed up. It seems like we're just things are time speeding up and we're going towards these like it. OK, again, like I think I

mentioned this to you before. I just think about that parable that Jesus talked about the where he mentioned the fig tree generation and he's talking about, you know, of course, you know how like no man's going to know the time or the hour, but you can you can see that summer's coming before you're in that season. And and he's talking about how, you know, you look at the branches of the fig tree and you see the buds. Can you know that it's almost on you? The time is you're almost there,

but you're just not in it yet. And yes, I'm not like a standout in the street. The end is coming. Repent kind of a guy. I just, it's just in the back of my mind. I can't. I can't stop thinking that maybe something is happening. Well, you are about the 5th person I've talked to in a week that has said time is going by so fast. And I'm like, yes, and I have felt it. I think a lot of us are feeling this pressured or anxiety, right With, with, with something even not just thinking about

whatever. It doesn't matter it, it's just this pressure of time. Time is going by very fast. And it almost seems like, you know, you get one thing done. And man, even my husband's like, man, that was a month ago, that happened a month ago. Like all these things that you just talked about. And it is, it's like time is going so quickly. And I'm like you, I'm not one to put a date on anything or, or whatever, but what we are called

to do is watch, right? And if we have to have our eye, we have to have eyes to see and ears to hear. Because if we don't, we are really going to be gobsmacked. Not godsmacked, Gob, but but also, you know, after the world's fairs, you know what happens every single time they go and have these great world's fairs, everybody gets a pandemic and then everybody dies. So yeah. And then they burn it all to the ground.

Prelude to a reset. Yeah. And you know, I think too, like with a lot of the topics that you and I have been discussing lately, when we were able to get together and do this, I think that that was the stage being set for all of this. You know, I think that we're in a new era. Humanity. Is I think it started personally, I think it started right at the end of World War 2. I think that World War 2 like rattled the foundations of like the haunted house and stuff and

like the. Well, the blood, right? The blood, they, they baptized this country with blood into the ground. And they're they say that was one of the bloodiest battles. And I'm also watching the players that have stepped back for a very long time. Where you will like with this stuff. We're going to talk about today that the connections that I could find for Mormons are hard to find in this era. Not today. Today they're like, and what and

what they're kicking people. I just did an episode where they kicked TBMS. That means true blue Mormon out of the church and sent them a letter that they cannot go to another church worldwide. They don't even do that for murderers. They don't even do that. And you know what they've said this is not the only and not the first this is happening. And I just think everything the cards are on the table and they don't care anymore.

They used to talk all the time about be prepared, have food storage, you know, all end of the world types of they don't do that now that much like everybody do they know? Yeah, but are they preaching, watching it like they used to? No. And it's gotten strange. They're not. They're shutting down churches, the LDS churches, because they've had so many people drop off, but they just don't care. I'm like huh, weird.

And, and just the the clandestine aspect to this as well, I mean, even you're going back to 1947, I think that's when Truman did the National Security Act and you see him pumping all this money into the CIA. Of course, they created the CIA right then and there in 47, but all this money is being funneled into that clandestine organization. But the CIA has its tentacles around these other secret groups that we might get into today.

And I mean, honestly, what this boils down to for me is that after after a war, after World War 2, in my opinion, people were given a lot of power. Some people were just given straight up keys to nations. And these are people who had no business being in positions to have that kind of a power. But there are a bunch of these shady groups funded by the CIA with Nazi involved, who I think we're just now catching up with

like this. This is maybe this is the real deep state, or at least a function of Yeah. And for Trump to go on TV and literally say with the president right there of the country and be like, yeah, I'm just going to take the Gaza Strip and his face, he didn't look like he was prepared for that. You know, if you go back and look at his face, he was like, what? And and then doing that, you know that that is fighting words. He withdrew from NATO.

Did you hear this? So OK, in the last days, what's supposed to happen? We're supposed to unite with Russia the bear, right? And so they're already buddies. You know, whatever this has been in preparation for now. And he has nothing to lose. He's getting older. I don't think he gives a crap and he doesn't have to have re election. It just makes me very concerned when he said Christians get out and vote. You won't have to do it again. What's coming?

What is coming? They they gave the FAA over to Elon Musk. Do you know this? No, I didn't know that. So in the. Asian Administration. Yes. And and why does that make sense? Because if we get in a crisis situation with these tariffs that they're stressing and everybody's all like, yay, like

we're getting ours back. And I looked at my husband, I said, hold on. I'm not dissing Trump, just a diss Trump. That's not, I don't care like I, I don't, I literally have no skin in the game for this. I'm just watching. And here's what I know. If you do that, it's going to raise the prices even more so and people are going to stop shipping in. So we're going to have shortages.

Then we won't be able to leave the country because if they decide we shouldn't for some reason, like, I don't know, an illness or something, then they can lock us down. And in the end days, what does it say? You will not be able to travel. So I don't know, it seems very weird. And when I was in California, we literally saw one of Musk's. I got to post it. My husband got it on video because I was like, is this the

fireworks or what is happening? Like, and we were just standing there and he's like, I don't think this is fireworks. And so I'm trying to look around and, and he's like, I don't see why they would have any. It's not a holiday or anything. So we're looking and it, it was one of Elon Musk's satellite things. He's shooting up there for that. And I was like, OK, they're going to lock us down with a

digital like zone, you know? That's that's my theory on what this New Jersey drones thing was all about. I feel like they were doing a digital mapping project, yes for over that region for some for some reason, and probably because of its proximity to the ocean. But you notice if you'll notice, like Elon was pretty quiet about that whole drone thing, but he has access to that kind of technology. So that made me wonder.

But then giving him the FAA makes me think that that's going to fall under Space Force somehow. It will space is going to come up today and I'll tell you, I live by the Air Force Base. They have started night, night bombings. They sent out like a like testing. You know, they're not doing it during the day like they normally do. We always we're in a flight pattern. It's loud as hell, like they've always got The Jets going over our house, but that hasn't been happening.

What's happening is it's happening at night time and they're doing testing and my mom mom told me that she's miss watch the news and she knows I don't watch the news because I just can't do it. And so she said, you know, they said that that was going to happen. Well, we're going to talk a little bit about why that happens and why it matters. And you're absolutely correct when you say aliens. I they are. They are bringing something here.

Yeah. I, I, I think I said this earlier to you, I'm really curious if there's, if we're going to see more of that strange UFO connection come up today. Like that's been, that's been a thread that we've, that we've seen in some of our, our recent episodes, the whole year thing. But like, I think I should broaden this too, because I was talking about 1947. And I do think that that was the beginning of a new era for us,

for humans. But not just 47, like from 47 on up until JFK, it seems like there was maybe a decade or or more, maybe even 47 to 67. Somewhere in there you see the like the setting of the table for where we are now. And you know, I think, I think it's NASA. I think it's space forest, Nazis, JFK and a bunch of other stuff that we've missed in this country for at least a century or almost a century now. You know, my grandparents watch the news every day, and they believed all of it.

Yeah. And that's why we have to relearn everything now because we don't know anything. Because, you know, we come for a lot of people come from families who, yeah, they were Rs or D's, but they were being fed all the information that they think they know. So it's time to go back and look at all these things and untangle them. Well, and what what they did in 2020 plays right into this. I think that was a grand scheme. I mean, it was planned. We know.

And and I'm watching, you know, I, I was trying to explain to my mom today, like, you know, Bill Gates, he's got like all these heirloom seeds all in a frozen like freaking thing out in the middle of nowhere. And he's saving these heirloom seeds and they're buying up all the farmland and they're doing all this stuff with in conjunction, like the next in

line is the LDS church. And I've come to find out that the church who has always been very good about taking care of their people, they pride themselves on not having their members go to get welfare. They have their own welfare system. This is 1 great thing about the church. They are self-sufficient, but it's based on a communistic system. And and it's going to come up today.

The first one that was made with Joseph Smith, it was called something of Enoch And, and, and I'm like, OK, this he wasn't supposed to have read that book because he's supposed to be an unlearned farmer, dumb boy. And so I'm like, no, he read it and it was a communistic system. And, you know, we're, we're going to talk about some of this stuff and. I I think gates. I think it's weird.

I just want to say this, Gates represents to me whatever the new version of Permindex is, I think it's ran by people who have ties to Gates or, or people involved with Gates and, and, and beyond that, that Melinda of Bill and Gates Foundation or whatever that is their, their money organization. I think that that that's what we're looking.

We need to keep that in mind when we look at groups like Permindex, because I think that those those kind of groups, yes, they were doing coups and assassinations, but they were all about money laundering and moving big sums of money around. And Bill Gates is a good example of how that's happening in modern times. I don't know. Are you planning on getting in the Permindex much? So yes, I know we talked about. OK, so.

So yes, Permindex for people that don't know what it is, it is basically it stands for permanent industrial complex. But it was like they were going to start this business. But actually what we know it stands for now because things are coming out is permanent index of people to be not alive. And so the this whole situation is very strange when you start looking at the board of Permindex, right? Did you get a check at the board? I did. I got it.

I'll say this if you don't. Yo, yeah, yeah. Let's go into that. I'll just, we can get to my stuff later. But I, I focus more on the Nazi network surrounding Permadex, so we'll get to that later because it's, it's going to make sense. But yeah, as far as Permadex itself goes, I looked at the board a little bit and I'll and I'll let you run with this, but I noticed Clay Shaw was a name that stuck out to me and Bloomfield. Yes, so not they are even not the worst one.

The worst one for me was Roy Cohn and Roy Cohn goes to now and when we realize what Roy Cohn is, I will say this for the whole Trump situation. The only reason why he would ever let anything out with knowing Roy Cohn, your mentor, your guy and and Resorts International is going to come up today. He was involved with that. He was involved with mob stuff. He was. So to let all this out, it's going to make him look bad. So why would you do something that's going to make you look

bad unless you have an agenda? And what's that agenda going to be? For me, I truly believe this is going to launch Project Bluebeam because this is going to get into aliens. And you're not wrong. And when we talk about quote UN quote, aliens, I'm talking about networks of probably other worldly entities. We'll just call it that. I don't think they're from per SE other country. Extra dimensional other. Yeah. Other planets, Yeah. Interdimensional. Extra dimensional under the

ground, wherever they are. Yes. And I think, you know, my mom told me this weird story about my uncle telling her all about how he was really high up in the Mormon church and how he knew that space travel was possible because he had helped people in and out of space, like, like a portal type thing. And and I was like, what? And I mean, if she told me that 30 years ago, I'd have laughed. But now I'm like it's probably possible. Who did he work for? That was with the church.

Well, yeah, there's this crazy Mormon tie with. I mean, even when I back when I was looking into this whistleblower who popped up on Reddit for a couple days and then they took it all down. But he was talking about how he worked at the secret facility and. Was it in snowflake AZ? It was over in that area. It wasn't in Arizona, but. You're good. Sorry, I got and then. No, you're.

Good about how they were they were they were compartmentalizing sections of this this like a warehouse basically and they had different types of people working there and they had a craft there apparently of some sort, but they also had a Mormon division and he explained it like this he's like they they liked using the Mormons because they had a spiritual connection somehow to this stuff and they could draw them in or bring crafts down or something like it's not like

Greer CE 5 but the. Mormons, I will tell you. Inclination to do it they. They probably didn't have a natural inclination. They'd probably been through the temple and assigned find certain demons. When you're in the temple, you're doing work for the dead and necromancy attachments, basically. And it's very concerning to me knowing, you know, I've renounced on my end, but like my family is still in.

And when we're looking at this stuff, you know, the players that come out, right, like on the board, they all have something to do with not just like three letter agencies or aliens or or Nazis or whatever. And it's all very strange. And then you get into it. And while I was doing the research and I couldn't find the quote when I went back, but I will find it, it was in declassified CIA docs.

And I was looking and some guy had mentioned I don't know why the Mormons know more about aliens than the government does. It doesn't make any sense. And and then when you know about Skinwalker Ranch and you know about like all this stuff and Howard Hughes obsession with Mormon it, it's weird. It's. Weird and the CIA ties because the the CIA from what I understand that Brigham Young University is a honey part for CIA to recruit out of they love the Mormon. Yes.

Well, because we're halfway MK Ultra at that point. And on top of it, you're talking about elite family. So I'll tell you this like there's and I've done a show about this where these elite families will go on missions to certain places like Germany, England, whereas maybe somebody like the kid down the street might just go to Arkansas, you know, no biggie. But they place these people in these positions and, and it makes perfect sense. Like, oh, they're just on their mission.

Were they or did they go away to a mystery school for two years? Well, see, that's the thing. Like this whistleblower I was talking about, he told a story that happened with one of these Mormon girls in the program. They were having a bonfire and this was not at work. This was outside of work and there were like civilian people at the bonfire and this Mormon girl got a couple beers in her and apparently she brought down a craft in front of everyone right there at the bonfire and

they had to discipline her. And that's in this whistleblowers statement. He's he's, you know, he's talking about this Mormon division. And and like one of these girls literally did it out in the public and brought something down or, or something through a port or. Yeah, through want to look at it right that. Is something weird? Yeah, something weird happened. You think about the CIA connections with, with the Mormon, you know, community, it's just out, out of this world.

Well, there is this weird, you know who Fritz Springmeyer is, right being into conspiracies. He's the OG right of of conspiracies. But he has some books out and he talks about Mormons in them and he says that they are literally a 13th bloodline, Meravengian bloodline, where they believe they are, you know, descended from Jesus Christ. Like, like literally. And it wasn't a vision I finally found traced it backward because I was like, where is this coming

from? And they all in breed to this day have babies with their uncles and brothers and stuff. And they're a sect of polygamy. And these people are high up in the government and very wealthy. And it just makes you wonder like, what is going on with that? But they are. They are said to be Lucifer's bloodline. Well, that that goes back to the God kings too, and like, and maybe even what's his name, the Tomb of Gilgamesh. And you know, the Nazis were

looking for that stuff too. They were in Iraq looking for these, these DNA bloodlines that go back to the God kings of the old Sumerian Empire and everything like that. But it the bloodline saying is is crazy how how it goes back to like Nephilim and and maybe even like watchers and stuff like

that. Oh, I I think it does go deep because they literally believe that God was a man and he had relations with Mary and that sounds like that sounds like fallen angels to me. That doesn't sound like real God. You know, Holy Spirit is how it's supposed to be in Jesus. Like it sounds like another Jesus. And literally people will say that often like, well, you love another Jesus And and why do the Mormons constantly say we have the true form of Freemasonry?

We have the key, the keys to the Kingdom, keys, keys, keys. And I'm like they, they have something. It either it's blood and there's all those nobility. We'll get into that another time, but it's very strange when you get into all of that. And then I saw something about the pace, excuse me, family that Ian Carroll, Ian Carroll talked about today. And I was like, this is a little bit weird because when I look backward, it sure enough runs into some strange things with the Mormons.

And I'm like, this is, this is interesting. I'm doing a little bit of a deep dive on it right now, but. Or I guess, yeah, kind of kind of gets into some of this stuff. I mean, it seems like what happened there is Jim Garrison uncovered permandex in his JFK investigation. And it seemed like it was like like, almost like as a peek into the underworld of the CIA front companies that move this money around like Bill Gates does, you know, yes.

And they, but they, but they also wasn't just about moving money. They also carried out assassinations. And that's what Permanex kind of represents for me. It was like, it's like Garrison is looking for a killer, but he stumbles on a global clandestine cabal. Yes, perfect. And here's the people. They don't make any sense when you've got Lewis Mortimer, Bloomfield for Neck, Naji, a former Prime Minister of Hungary, Giorgio Montelo, Roy Cohn and Joseph Bonanno. Like a literal mobster.

Jean de Manil, Paul Reagan, Dorski, Count guitarist, Despadorfa. That's Mussolini's bureaucracy. We got Hans Sago Meyer. He's a really big deal banker in Basil Carlo de Angelo. I think that's how you say it, Angelo. But he's the attorney for the House of Savoy. That gets interesting. Max Egelman, Minar Shabargi, Giuseppe Zagati, Italian Fascist for Neck, Simon Frey and Clay Shaw. Clay Shaw, can I go back to the basil part for just a second?

You bet, Because that's that's in Switzerland and I feel like term index maybe was in that region for for a reason because that's that's that's the main global hub for private illegal money operations. Switch is they're they're known for baking with the mob or anybody else. They they let anybody move money through the Swiss banks and the

Nazis did it too. So, but it's interesting that Clay Shaw of all people is involved with this too, because I think I even said last episode and I, I, I take this back now, I thought that maybe he was like a small fish. Maybe he was like a CIA wannabe. Now I'm starting to say that he's a bigger fish. He's a very big fish to fry. And here's The thing is all of these people don't work together

naturally. Like you don't normally have the CIA with mobsters with with ex fascists or current fascists. You know all these things and it doesn't make any sense when you look at it on a base level, especially with Bloomfield because his connections to Papa Bush and that gets weird and we'll get into that. That possibly got him killed. Not the jump too far. I think it did. I really feel bad for him actually, in a lot of ways. Should I just tell people that he he was exchanging letters?

Bloomfield was with George Bush, of course. That's another CIA connection. Yes. And you know, I don't think it worked out well for him. Well, and and it becomes so again, who's Permindex funded by HL Hunt, Halliburton, which goes into Bush again, which goes into who Howard Hughes. We're going to get back to the Mormon Mafia, you know, and and there's a whole bunch of people. I mean, it's a lot, but we get in the also funding Bell Aerospace, OK, that's definitely going to hit Howard.

You know, these people are majorly connected, so it. Sounds like they are funding it. Where it's going to sound like we might be reaching, but we but people just got to hang with us because that's how connected these people were. They went to the most random corners of the earth and had connections there. Like Permadex was even a front company at one point for Mossad. Oh yeah, and the crown. And the crown, which is wild. They're getting thrown.

They got thrown out of Italy for being like a spy. So they're spies too. So there's all this, this clandestine business about this. It's basically assassination for hire business and they tried they and they did actually complete mini messed it up with Charles de Gaulle quite a bit. But I will say this like there's a, a branch diagram that I found on Permindex and it says like crown at the top and then it branches off down and then it goes to Permindex and Hollinger.

And then in the middle it goes to the 1001 club. And that is going to be super important when you talk about philanthropy. And then it from Permindex goes up straight to Division 5. And so we're talking straight up, FBICIA, this is all very, very suspect. And some people will say, you know what, this is from the Torbett report. It's not true. You can't just disregard because even the Garrison report, 17 witnesses were dead before they could ever get to the

courthouse. So that's, you know, part of why they called it off. Yeah, the Torbett report is interesting in in several regards and I'll probably refer to it. I will say this like, you know, I think there might be some misinformation in there. I think there's truth in there mixed with a little bit of non truth. And I think it's probably because the guy who put out the Torbett document was, you know, a self-proclaimed. He was part of LBJ's cap. He was yeah. So that's that's a red flag.

But I think there were truths in there and. And I think they always do that right. They have to mix the truth with a liar. We won't buy it. There's there's some of that going on, but I, I, you know, from and what I could tell, I, I feel like permadex was, was like aerospace in, I mean in the regard that they, they were, they were messing with Hughes and and in like Halliburton, right? They I think that permadex and for contracts I I think they they. They also straight up had NASA

contract. Part of their funding came straight from NASA contractors directed by the Defense Industrial Society Command. Straight up. I know somebody in aerospace and that's what they do there. They bid for contracts. So like two or three different companies will get a contract that they're now competing for and one company will get the contract at the end of the day, but it creates this competition. So I'm wondering if permadex is a is similar where they're they're in it's but it's

assassinations like they're. Bidding well and why are why are they assassinating everyone? Right? And I'll tell you, there is a secret space and I know you know this too, because you follow the same stuff as I do, or go down the same rabbit holes at least. And there's a separate space place other than NASA. There's two factions of space. And I think with Trump, we're seeing this come alive again for

the first time in a long time. And it actually doesn't have to do as much with space as UF OS or aliens, right? And so when we get into this, literally, E Howard Hunt has told Caddy, one of his friends, that the whole reason why he did it was to protect the nation's biggest secret. And he said, well, what's that? Because he was being sent off to prison at the time. And he's quoted on record as

saying it's a alien file. Yes, the UFO, yeah, because Kennedy was was wanting to share what we had on UFOs with the Russians for several reasons. He for once 11 reason being he wanted a joint space program with the Soviets. And you know, that would have ended the Cold War and that would have been great, probably would have ended it. But also, I think he wanted to. He didn't want them to bomb us whenever, every time I saw a UFO.

Exactly, that was like he was hoping to do is to make it friendlier error, you know, friendlier, like don't feel us. It's not us. Yeah. Right. Exactly. But you got to think about what's in those UFO files. Yes, it gets crazy because we had all these, you know, we've had people think about Project Blue Book. Yeah, that that's the one we know about. But there are crazy crazy files on you of.

Gemstone Oh my gosh, there's so many things that are going to and X protect is supposedly this and shout out dark journalists for doing a lot of this work because I've learned a ton watching him and it's not just from him. It's a lot of books. But I mean, obviously you got to give credit where credit's due, but he talks a lot about this Hughes connection with all of the CIA to The X-Files and to

this whole situation. In fact, there's rumors and I haven't been able to find the proof definitively that Howard Hughes had his own hangar Area 51. And so that's weird. Like, why would he be able to do that, you know? And it goes straight back to this Mormon Mafia. Now, a lot of the players in the Mormon Mafia are just called that. Mayhew being one that wasn't Mormon.

He's the most critical in this one, in this particular situation because he worked with Guy Bannister for 10 years in the FBI when he was in the Chicago office. So these people are all very tightly knit. I mean, they're not going to just tell each other down the road. Plus they work together with the Bay of Pigs. And so they've got this working relationship, including with Howard E Howard Hunt, and it's all going to become extremely important when you get into what

the hell happened. You know, like, why, why was this allowed to just be done? Well, you know, why it kind of even got started under Hughes was because he wanted to have his medical institute cover all of his taxes. And he wanted to put it underneath that as a shell and say, like, look, we're just doing this and it's all philanthropy. But really, he wanted to put all of his aerospace underneath of it, which gave him the ability to then fund the CIA and bankroll the CIA, which give

them way too much power. And that was what Kennedy was slowly trying to pull back. You know, and that was pretty much what probably caused his death was because he was informed he was one of the first presidents that didn't have a need to know basis because he was already secret clearance himself in the Navy. So he knew enough to know there was more. And he wanted those files and they told him, no, you're on a need to know basis.

And so he fired Ellen Dulles. And that is just not that's not done. You know, Dulles was a force, so yeah, any. We talked about Hughes too, on one of the previous episodes. And I just thought it was interesting that he did have this kind of knowledge of of like flight and stuff because he he was talking in that in that press release, whatever that was that I brought up. It's like he was talking to people about something that has

was long since forgotten. But it goes back to the late 1800s in the mystery airship wave where you saw these big airships flying around the country for about a decade there. And a lot of people attribute that to UFO's. But when you look into it and the Cosmos Club and some of the other airship clubs out there, it looks like there was a group of billionaires who were had, you know, advanced technology and they were able to build these things that fly around with them.

And they had a club. But Howard, he knew about that. But he also seems like he he's in the same circles to where he knows about the UFO stuff to the stuff that's not made here on this planet. Well, I'm gonna give you an odd to how he knew Project Azorion, which we have spoke about. That was where they were drilling and trying to get that boat where it would like go down and get the the submarine that was sunk right and pull it out of the water because it was a

sunken Russian one. And they said they were going to do some drilling around it so they can get back up. And The funny thing is, is it's called Project Azorian. So I look that up because you know, on on all this like dark journalist, he talks about Theosophy so much. So I was like, I bet he was because he was always saying he

knew about aliens and stuff. And sure enough, that case al that that place he bought that island is actually rumored to be part of Atlantis. And not only that, but Azorian is a name from the Atlantis story. And so I was like, this is too good. Like he knew he was shoving it or if the CIA was shoving it one of the two right in our faces. And they did that other Zapata oil project with Bush when this whole, you know, Cuban stuff was

happening. They wanted to assassinate Castro. And they were actually training people on the island. And it leads to the Bay of Pigs. But it Bush is the one there was the pot of oil as the cover. But they said it happened when the ocean was the lowest it had been for a long time. And they were drilling.

I think they knew that something was there and they were trying to get their hands on it. Well, this is kind of crazy, but I think that this knowledge of flight and humans getting their hands on the technology to fly around and something other than an airplane, right? Something weird. I think it might go back to Atlantis because there is a story about this archaeologist in the 20s. His name is Kinnaman. They on the South wall, I think it was the South side of the Great Pyramid.

They found a little room there and inside the room they found all this stuff. But they part of what they found were like instructions on on how they built the pyramid and included in that they were using flight. They had some sort of a flying device that they were using to help them build the pyramids and it and it was Atlantean. So and that stuff is they decided the archaeologists had he was being looked over, I think by the by the Egypt, Egyptian government and by the British government.

And so they squashed it. They said we're not going to tell the public about this, but I know that's kind of a crazy side rabbit hole, but like. No, actually might. Go back to Atlantis. Well, and then we get into the two eye stone and all that stuff that goes with it. Did they find something there? And here's the weird thing. There was this cartoon and people will say, oh, it's just a cartoon. OK. There's a cartoon from when I was young showing how the temple

in Salt Lake City was built. And they were like magically floating the the stones, these big granite slabs that and floating them to the temple. And it was just just a cartoon, but it was weird. And I remember thinking that's not how they showed it in the pictures. And even 1, you know, one stone would take all day. Like the quarry was really far. And I I never did buy that. I was like, it must have been here or something. But honestly, I'm telling you guys like this was a real thing

put out by the church. You know, I think that's exactly from what I gathered about looking in the Kinnaman. That's what they found. They were using some, they were floating these big stones, but they were up there in the sky and some kind of a craft doing it. And this is the same one of the same archaeologists who worked for the Smithsonian who was over there messing around the Grand Canyon and found all that, all that Egyptian stuff.

But you know, if and like I'll say this and I'll get back on permadex, but like the the Atlantean flight thing might go back to Cane. And because in the in the in the book of Genesis where he goes to start a new civilization, a lot of people have suggested that may have been Atlantis that Cain started or it may have been Atlantean like. So I just thought that all that was interesting.

But well, it, it definitely wasn't too far off of where I was going to go because, you know, Howard Hughes had Van Tassel. He he actually funded Van Tassel and his space, you know, pass machine and time travel and he funded that. But not only that, he was obsessed. And this is where I got a lot of my information was from Meyer's book Age of Secrets, where he talks about how he was obsessed with getting the AEC to stop bombing or setting off explosions at all anymore.

And he was like, you've got to, you've got to stop. And he was, he had like his own psychic and all kinds of stuff. And people will just say he's imbalanced. But here's the thing about it that was weird is he was like, you, you have to stop these. And then we know Parsons again, we get back to, you know, blowing things up. And he was kind of concerned about stuff like that, too. And then he gets blown up. So I think they want this

knowledge all. Goes back to 1947 to Van so and Parsons. They were both out in the same desert. They didn't know each other. Van Tassel built that integraton out there where you've got all these rumors later circulating about time travel and, and just, and he was talking about getting in touch with, he said. Van Tassel said he got in touch with an extra dimensional and extraterrestrial entity. It was some. Venus. Yeah, somehow.

But it's weird because Van Tassel, he leaves his job at Lockheed, he just up and leaves, moves to the Mojave Desert, establishes one of the biggest and most well known UFO centers of all time out there. And it's the same time period and same desert where Jack Parsons is doing the Babylon working with the old Hubbard. Yes. And I think possibly the the crashes Hughes had, because he had some pretty significant crashes, maybe they weren't

crashes, right? Maybe that was something after him that that he didn't want to talk about, because why would he be so obsessed with making sure there was no talking to these people? Do you think that maybe that something was brought down out of the sky on purpose?

I think I think that he saw stuff and new stuff and they might have been trying to take him out and so and then he felt, you know, fell to get all these horrible, you know, injuries and and then it ruined kind of ruined his life, you know, I'm. So glad you brought up the Van Tassel because I noticed that a couple weeks ago and for some reason I didn't jump on. I should have jumped on it, but I noticed that there was a link with Van Tassel and QS and I thought that was so crazy.

I'm glad you brought that up because Van Tassel and I'm not going to stay on them forever, but I'm just going to say this. I think it is super relevant to today what he did. First of all, it comes out of 1947. It goes back to this humanity stepping into a new era thing. But what what he did was he basically created this. So you had Roswell and you had Kenneth Arnold and that was also 1947. And that kicks off what we would call the UFO age. That was like the rollout of all

this stuff. That was the rollout of us being told we're not alone and and all that. So you've you've got that, you've got Roswell, but underneath that you've got Van Tassel, who starts this UFO religion unrelated to. Roswell, but they just happened. To start at the same time and did you? See the Insignia for that religion? It's almost it's. It's like a circle split into 4. Like a, like a quartered cross, like a, It's like. It's like a circle and then four pieces of pie and so.

Let's use that. And I thought that was very strange knowing that what we know with everything that's gonna be applicable there and this was gonna come up anyway because we have to explain why this aircraft mechanic, he was the top flight inspector. This is Van Tassel. And all of this stuff would just like you said, basically go off mainstream and go completely over here. Like there had to be very not just a bad dream or some weird phenomena that you blow off. It changed his whole course.

It changed everything. And he got, I think he got killed over it. I mean, no Van Tassel. He didn't not live to finish it. Yeah. I mean, you know, there's, there are some crazies in that whole UFO field. For me, Van Tassel was one of the ones who's strangely legit. I've watched old interviews of him. He's very he's not the kind of person who becomes a UFO person, if that makes any sense. He's. A yeah, that's what I'm yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. He it changed his whole

everything. Yeah, he wasn't a weird guy. I don't even think he was, really. No, he wasn't. So it's just strange, like something you could tell something happened to him and when you watch his old interviews, he's very just chill and just to the point and just no nonsense. He's like, this is what happened. Yeah, Yep. And then it goes back into

Hughes, like why? OK, So with Permindex, you know, Hughes is very involved with everything that's happening and he is very concerned at this point. So concerned in fact, that this is going to lead to Watergate about any of his information getting out right. And and so Mayhew becomes involved in this. All these players that are kind of saturated Caddy Banister and and funny enough with with E Howard Hunt. This is my Mormon connection. He left the CIA to go work for

the Mullen company. Well, the Mullen Company was just a shell front for the Mormon Tabernacle Choir church and stuff, and it was run by Bob Bennett and Bob Bennett was a senator and he's from Utah. He's Mormon guy. So the only people he had for his, it's like an advertising company. It was this E Howard Hunt for an employee. He's doing it for Howard Hughes and he's doing it for the the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and

that's it pretty much. He's like connected into these big things and clear until like far, far later. We don't find this out because he denies, denies, denies even through Watergate that he's CIA. He was CIA And so he he really held his secret. But here's The funny thing. After 1963, the Mormon church was in extreme trouble. Before that, in 1962 and before they were literally losing their ass and they were like in deep, desperate financial trouble.

Well, all of a sudden after 1963, there they hire this guy that's a socialist from Canada who takes over their books and miraculously fixes everything. Of course, of course. And then they make billions and I'm like, sounds like a deal to me. Well, you brought up Guy Bannister and the CIA and, and I think everything that you just

laid out there. I, I think you do see traces of this in that Torbett document because, well, first of all, what's interesting to me is that Torbett document mentions von Braun and it says Von Braun started an organization called DISK, which is Defense Industrial Security Command. And it was like this kind of a covert group involved with the secret space program. But when you think about the name of that, it sounds just like the military industrial

complex, right? It's it's defense industrial command. And if you jumble that up, you get military industrial complex. So I, I think that it backs up my, my theory that von Braun and the paper clip Nazis are the military industrial complex. But also you get Guy Bannister in that Torbett document, he's and he's, he's this UFO investigator, yeah, who's like The X-Files guy for, for the FBI. And he's a part of this New Orleans group of guys that's associated with Oswald.

And it's just just the fact that they called this disk, it's almost suggests that there's like a UFO connection. I just think that that's uncanny terminal. It's. So weird. Yeah, He was involved originally in the Maury Island affair. He was involved with all the seven. Yes, yes. And he's a key player like these people, even down to like Marina's dad being like Intel. All these people are like weirdly Intel.

And with Oswald, he worked at the Riley Coffee Company and every single person that worked there ended up working at NASA. It's like, what does coffee have to do with? Yeah, yeah, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't. It will. It makes sense when you look at what we've suggested that there's major, major intelligence ties and happenings here. But when? Yeah. And you see it with Banister. You see when he died, by the way, that was under suspicious circumstances. So suspicious.

What did they do? They swarmed his house for files. They went and grabbed all his files. That stuff's never seen the light of day, and I'm betting that there was a ton of UFO stuff in there. Oh, and Van Tassel's files have never been released either. Yeah. So that's interesting. Heidi, when you look at still deep not declassified documents that list that, it gets so bizarre. Like there's stuff on Himmler that's not to be released until 2045.

But but back to the UFO thing, when you look at, you know, even Operation High Jump, it's still not all the way classified declassified. So it's it's like crazy. But I think Roy Cohn, he's in the Torbett documents as well. Oh, he's. Player to be sniffing around Roswell and the UFO stuff as well, because there was apparently was this UFO stuff involved with the Monmouth hearings because that that Monmouth guy that Roy Cohn was involved with Monmouth himself was in New Mexico in 1947.

When you have Roswell happening, you know, and, and of course everything else like Maury Island and Van Hassel, this is all in 1947. And we'll, we'll remind everybody how these key players come into like weird situations later, especially with Bloomfield, you know, and it's. Close with cone. Oh, oh, and his uncle was close with Vanover Bush. He was the protege for Tesla.

And then so, you know, he he literally, I think that's why they tossed Mara Largo. I think that's what they were looking for is all that Tesla had. And that's cool. Yeah. And Meyer, this guy Meyer, you know, he's just there. And I think he was really kind of an innocent person that was more honest thinking he was just there doing a job. And then he gets all this stuff happening to him. And they actually tried. They kicked him out of the country. They tried to charge him for

murder. They charged him for IRS fraud. Like, they did everything. They ruined his life. They ruined his life because he wouldn't keep secrets. Can I just. I just want to spell this out for Vanover Bush. He's he's from MIT. He's like a he's like a brainiac scientist guy. Not related to Bush's? No, no, not really. But he's on, I believe that he's on a secret UFO panel, A government UFO panel with Guy Bannister and and some other,

some other people. But of course, Vanover Bush, his protege is John Trump. So there's that. There's just, you know, there's this UFO stuff there surrounding shrimp as well. And and like with this Roy Cohn thing, right? And he messes with it. And here's the thing, OK, so on the Roy Cohn situation, which is going to help fund Permindex because they are, I'll tell you

why. Because of how it ties in, not only it ties into Halliburton, which is Bush, ties into Hughes through Bell Helicopter, ties into all these people that were already talking about. It ties in with just so many companies that you can't even believe, including the church. Because all of this goes even further back. And it this is the only part that gave me a little worry about Meyer's story is his father was born in Germany in

the 1930s. He became an agent of the German Foreign Office. And so I was like, oh. Who is Meyer again? I'm sorry. So he's the one that wrote the book and told the secrets in Age of Secrets, and he's the one kind of spilling the beans about what really happened, I guess, you know, with Howard Hughes and who got him. The one guy that supposedly pulled him out of Las Vegas and on Thanksgiving night, like basically kidnapped him, is James O Golden.

Will James O Golden is so top secret that you finding stuff on him was wild and he was involved with the Mormon church. James O Golden goes forward to become the vice president of Intertel and the founding agent. He also said, let's see, he came international, he became part of the Resorts International and that becomes super important because that's also helping fund Permanent Index. But it's also where Hughes was living with within that whole hotel complex in the Bahamas.

And so Resorts International 1960s to 80s is like completely for crime. Basically it's it was Mary Paint Company. Do you know about the paint company thing? And, and so it's like a mob. It's all mob syndicate. And the only reason why I bring it up right now is Mary, it's Mary Carter Paint Company, which kind of never really existed. It was just owned by a family. And then it was like a whole mob front. But here's the thing that's funny.

Later, Trump gets involved, takes over Resorts International. But he didn't get it easily. He had to fight for it, and there was this big court battle with it. And guess what? He names the damn hotel the Atlantis and and the Mormon church. The Mormon church currently has one in Hawaii called Kona Blue. That should sound very familiar. Well, you know, I think Trump being close with Roy Cohn, you know, there's, there's to me it that smells like there's UFO

stuff there. But you know, I watched this, this Trump, Zelitsky argument that they just had recently with the vice president and all that. And if you'll notice, you'll hear Trump, he kept saying to Zelensky, you don't hold the cards, you don't have the cards. And I think that's what Trump did with whatever Cone told him. He whatever he learned from Cone, he used that as cards to hold in his deck. I think that's. Oh yeah, Oh yeah, Cone.

Cone was. Yeah, but I, but I think Trump, you know, just on this UFO topic, I think I've suggested this I think before. And I do think that he knows more about UFOs than. He knows. I think he knows all of it. And then when you start talking, like I said, about all of these people that are contributing to Permindex, now Permindex itself sounds cool, you know, cuz it's got this cool name and it's this assassination group.

But also you have to understand how far it branches out, like clear to Nazi connect, clear, clear to other countries clear. I don't think it ever stopped. Why would it? Why would it stop? Yeah, there's a yeah, there's a major, major Nazi connection with this. There's and and you know too, even Hughes with the Bell Helicopter thing that Dornberger work there. Dornberger is 100% a Nazi, former Nazi, Yes. So you know, it's and those ties with Dornberger to Oswald and

all that stuff. Yeah, I've got this crazy thing with this, with the Nazi connection to this. And you know, I might need, I don't want to derail you. I might need like 5 minutes. No, no, feel free, but it's. Going to tie in with permadex. Yeah, Permindex is completely entrenched. We can't separate what happened with Permindex because because I think it's more of AX protect, you know, and look at you guys. What's going on right now.

Elon changed Twitter's name to X. Everything's X. They're, they're, they're knowing you right in, in your face, literally like they're, they're kind of nodding to it. Then we've got Wernher von Braun writing Mars book about Elon before he was ever born, you know? That X protect is, is that's kind of a a nifty cool little term that dark journalist uses to describe this file that they're keeping from the public or something, right? How? He talks about that a lot, right?

Yeah, it's basically the secret. It's OK. So how I said that, that Kennedy was trying to take back the space program under his thumb and put it underneath the Army, and they were having none of it. And they did not care. They were like, whatever, you can fire Alan Dulles, but we are all still soldiers. We're going to keep trucking on. And they didn't let the person in that took over. They didn't. Nothing changed.

Alan Dulles was running everything from his house and so he wasn't going to give up anything and certainly von Braun wasn't going to work with Russians. There's the picture of them together and I'll paste it in later, but there's a picture of them by a rocket. JFK and Wernher von Braun looking up at the sky. And he died 2 weeks later. That is not a like accident, you know, And Bloomfield, not only was the other one involved with Oswald, Bloomfield's involved with Oswald.

And so is Ruth Payne supposedly on the board of Permadex. And we know about Ruth Payne because she was in the seance of the 9 and she was literally where his wife stayed after all the crap hit the fan. So we're talking about all of the it's like the biggest spider web I've ever. I didn't even know. Like, I didn't even mean to know, you know? Yeah, ultimately I think Permindex is part of a web of Gray like that terminology.

It's just web of groups who carried out these assassinations, Coos, leadership removal and and I think large money transfers to. I do think that there's a significant aspect of this at ties Switzerland then with the money. And, you know, when when we talked about doing this episode, I was going to focus on permadex, but I accidentally opened up a Pandora's box that just, you know, got me down all these long, long roads where these tentacles just kind of wrap around the globe.

You know, and, and I've heard researchers say that they think that there's a a fascist international connection of all this. And I agree. I think I found it. OK, so, so there's a story I came across in my, you know, my study of occult Nazism that in August of 1945, on the heels of Germany surrender, the Americans get a hold of Reinhardt Galen. He's a Nazi. He's he's Hitler's top spymaster. He's an Intel agent against Russia for the Nazis.

Major, major Nazi. The Americans get him, they put him in a blacked out van and they kind of treat him like a war prisoner in front of the press. But once he gets in the van, they don't take him to jail. They take him to like a swanky tailor and they haven't fitted for a suit. And of course, overnight he goes for being a Nazi to working for us.

And what we did was we took his Cold War assets and we just put them under our wings that they, they used his, his pre-existing spy network and just gave him a job. But he but what he did was he went on to build Galen built this very permadex like operation that I think is was working with permadex actually. But he but but here's the kicker. After Galen joins the US, Allen Dulles is involved with it. Allen Dulles funnels him 20

million in CIA funds. Dulles then has Galen create this secret mercenary for us and he has them go on all these missions in other countries. So and some of those mercenaries working for Galen and work for Dulles, they went through ACIA base in Atsugi, Japan, where Lee Harvey Oswald was stationed. Oh wow. So that's another Nazi connection. So what we're seeing here is Nazis working with the CIA, working with Oswald.

There's a clear tie here and and Galen may have been directly in contact with Oswald because Oswald was said to have spoke decent German. That's a part. Yes. Oh, they said super good. Yeah, that, yes, 100%. There's what I found here was, and this is the Pandora's box thing that just came that flooded me. Like there's multiple permadex, like, oh, like operations agree. A lot of them are ran by Nazis.

And, and so you see this coming out of the 50s and running throughout the 50s and it leads right up to JFK, yes. And this. One particular just happens to be ran by Ran Hartgate. And Bloomfield is the attorney for Bronfman's. You want to talk about freaking Nazi connections like the Bronfman family and the Seagram's fortune. So you're not wrong. Like that's kind of the Canada version of that. And again, here we have, you know, he he's connecting with Lee Harvey Oswald. Why?

Because he's this White Russian guy that's going to just be nice to him. That doesn't even make any sense. Like, they're not in the same. They're not in the same category of life, right, Like, at all. And then, you know, we got Demoren shield on top of it. He's got like a KGB cheat. They say that he was a KGB first cheat. Demore shield. Yeah, Yeah. And. Wrapped up in this. So he's in it. They're in it like President Bush, like all of it. And I'm like, OK, this is getting a little wild.

Like I didn't know that this was all going to happen, right. But when you talk about Demoren shield, they try and distance and say, oh, he just talked to him once. No, he begged for his life from President Bush on an actual paper. He said, can you help me with this whole situation? And he didn't do it. He didn't even acknowledge it. But he knew him from his. He was at like A room roommate, like an uncle of his roommate that's in in college. And they knew each other well,

very well, you know. And then on top of it, he was actually friends and acquainted with Jacqueline Kennedy's father. He tried to join the OSSCIA, but he was rejected because he's a Nazi sympathizer and possibly a German agent. So when we're talking about all these people, when we're looking at it, you know? It it it's. Definitely a German Nazi type connection. And he got killed. They called him for a congressional hearing and then he apparently unalived himself. Which?

Well, you know, I think personally, I think the OSS, which then turns into the CIA, I think all that was based off of the Nazis in the 1st place. I think they got that idea straight from the Gestapo, the German Gestapo. And you know, of course it turns into the CIA. That's, that's why we're talking about Allen Dulles here, because he's this menacing figure from history that has his, his, his hands in a lot of shady pies. But I, you know what else I found? Dulles actually I think funded

permadex as well. Yes, I think he was on the the financier. So how shady, how shady is that he's he's funding and kind of ordering around and working with this ex Nazi doing this, this mercenary group and permandex. So I think they totally work together, like like games group and permadex probably work together. Oh, yeah. And then, yeah, I mean, there's there's, like you said, that there's subpermindexes in Italy, there's subpermindexes in Germany.

You know, they're talking about getting money from all these people, like basically senators, president, you know, German people that are questionable. Roy Cohn, who's even more questionable. You know, we're talking about some big players here, and you can't just write it off like people say, well, that that's weird. There's no proof or whatever. There's a lot of declassified docs that do support. This.

Oh, there's serious proof. For this, even, even in 1953 when we overthrew Iran's leadership, that was Allen Dulles and Galen who did that. They put a California guy in. Yep. That's why I said earlier, I think that some of these guys were given the keys to nations. Yes, absolutely they were. And, and when you look at the money behind it, I mean, it's obvious to me at least you know it. It's just wild.

Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because that the Galen story has a another interesting element here because he actually surrendered to American. I think it was like an American Army detachment in the Alps. So he, he saw that the end was near for the Third Reich and he gets out of Germany and he goes down or goes up into the Alps. He takes all his files and, and probably riches, I suspect, to Switzerland and he buries them in the Alps. But but you see this happening

over and over again. If they don't bury it in Switzerland, they turn it over to bankers in Switzerland. So I think, I think the role of the Swiss banks is significant in this way. A lot of these guys stored their money in Switzerland, where per. They were supporters, the Swiss banks, Credit Suisse is one of their supporters. And I mean, it's right there in black and white. Like you can see it like it's on declassified papers.

I'm not just talking about the Torbit or like whatever, cuz people want to blow that one off all the time. And then you get into like IG Farben, that comes up, that comes up with interest and Nazi bankers and they're subsidized by Nazis. So all these people, plus Hughes, it seems like have their hands in in a lot of stuff. They probably shouldn't, you know. You can even see traces of this. They're not even traces. It's just out there in the open, like Switzerland.

Their neutrality was a political move, yes, that that enabled them to be like everybody's favorite Baker and, and, and at the same time simultaneously keep them out of wars and for conflicts and, and having to put all their money into defense and an army. And you see that they they, they emerge as this major global power hub where now you have Davos, you have CERN, you have the World Economic Forum Forum, you have the banking, all that's out of Switzerland, and of

course, permadex. Oh, yeah, and and then we've got another little piece of the puzzle that heads back to the Mormon ties because the YAF comes up in this the Young Americans for Freedom. And this is like supported. Well, it was completely made by E Howard Hunt and Co founder Douglas Caddy. But who funds it? Hughes, He's involved in it and E Howard Hunt, I mean, he's completely involved with this as well under William F Buckley.

He's the one that founded it. But E Howard Hunt is with this. And who does that go back to? Once again, we go back to the Mullen Company with Bob Bennett. Bob Bennett comes up so much and people get mad at me because he's he supposedly was a super nice guy. He looks like he was a super nice guy. That's great. But I think he was way important and he, he was actually 100% involved in everything from Watergate. And he walked away clean. And I'm like, and then the

church gets redeemed. That's weird. That's, you know, that's a lot of and then the other thing that I found that correlates all of it is skull and Bones and the Skull and Bones society with the Mormons. The family of the Mormon people were the ones that found it, Skull and Bones original, and they came out and set up a branch at the University of Utah. This wasn't like some just random thing that had no, this was their family and it was sanctioned, though it's not

sanctioned on paper. Everybody knew it was. And so, you know, when you're talking about this kind of stuff, you're like, what's going on here, you know? The university secret societies like Skull and Bones, the Nazi group, the Galen's group, the Permindex groups, they they have seems like they all have this one thing in common in that CIA back channels. Absolutely.

They seem to be totally plugged into this international cabal, and I think it's groups like this that kill leaders and play out events like 911 even yes, we're. Forgetting. The modern times, like even even this recent Palestinian attack, the October 7th thing, which kind of seems like it kicked off this war with Gaza, that wasn't necessarily Palestinians on parachutes, that was some sort of a shady group because it just came out that Netanyahu funded Hamas through Qatar. So I'm.

Trying to it's always, it's always that. It's always like the. Deepest back to the secret groups and for me Nazis, and for you Mormons, well. Because yeah, that's what I was going to say. The YAF, if you look at J Reuben Clark, who's big in the church at that time frame, he's supporting the YAF. He's encouraging the YAF meetings. He's all about like writing these people. And then when you look at it, they're literal Nazis. They're they're like lining all this up.

Well, that's a really good way to hide communication as with a pen pal through a 18 year old or 16 year old or something in the in the church. You know, all of this is very, very dirty and it, it doesn't look clean at all. And then when you get into Jack Ruby, he's popping up too. He's popping up in all this stuff. And so, you know, you're looking into the family ties.

You're looking into, you know, pictures with Ruby and Nixon, with Prescott Bush, like just very interesting things that like, well, why would that happen? Like why are mobsters with other people that are supposed to be on the up and up in the? CIA this, you know, Yes. Yeah. And what this reminds me of is this Herm I found. It's the regarding D Spina, which is another secret group of Nazi mercenaries like Permandex. They they were called in kind of regarded a political mafia by

researchers. So, and, and that's an interesting group too, that, that's a group that was formed by a Nazi named Otto Scorzini. This guy, they called him the, the Grand Theft Auto. That's wow. He, he robbed the Reichsbank in right in 1945, right when Galen is, is getting suited up to work for us, he, this former Nazi goes and robs his own Reichsbank. And so they call him Grand Theft Auto and he uses that bank robbery to like become wealthier.

So wow, he becomes this like Nazi mob boss living in Spain. He somehow makes it to Spain. He had help. I think Dulles probably helped out and stuff like that. But he emerges, he gets out of Nazi Germany, emerges as this wealthy mobster in in Spain and he's running his own global mercenary group and he had contacts with Galen as well. So he this guy, he helps, he helps thousands of former Nazis, helps him get out, helps him escape.

And then he employs them as mercenaries in this de spinach group. And this gets so crazy because like they work with, it's almost like after the war, they're willing to work with anyone because they even did a they even helped Mossad at one point. Basically, they helped Israel assassinate a an Egyptian rocket scientist who was going to build bombs for Egypt. So they had. I think you're right. I think there's no beholden because on on Permandex we've got Nazis with Jewish people.

Yeah. I mean, that doesn't make any sense, but it it did. Apparently during sometime during paper clip when when we brought all these Nazis over, apparently our government had them lodging with Jewish guys for one reason that was part of the program was like they were integrated with these Jewish people. It's like I've never been able to fully wrap my head around that. But apparently it's it's an aspect of history that really happened. That's wild, I did not know that part and it may.

I wish you could track like where they went because, you know, we get things that pop up here and and Wernher von Braun's in this theological film with, you know, the Mormons. And I'm like, what is that? What is that? There? He nobody else is allowed in that film but Mormons, but he's in it somehow. And you get like Thiokol and you get like the Mormons are very obsessed with space. Thiokol makes the O rings.

In fact, they were the reason why the Challenger didn't work out because they were making these O rings for space and the space shuttle. And so you know that people had to have come here for all of these big companies to be here with space and and on top of it, the CIA and the NSA and it there was the IRS until this week. That was weird. See how that? Yeah, yeah. We'll see how that plays out. Apparently everybody listening that the IRS were sent home in some some towns across America.

Yes, they was. That's crazy, but like. They are one of the biggest employers in this little in, in one of our it's not a little town, it's it's like our next kind of biggish city and it really went downhill. Ogden was very big back in the day and then it kind of went downhill after the 70s, eighties and it was just kind of recovering. And it's just going to decimate it. It's going to decimate it because I mean it, people lost their jobs and everybody's like

hurraying about all this stuff. And I'm like looking back in the background going, yeah, I don't know, you know, if people start going without Social Security checks, if people start going without disability checks, yeah, I'm not going to Hooray that, that I don't care how much money they give to the rest of us. Like that's not OK with me. These people have put into it their entire lives for Social Security. That's the last thing you should ever touch.

And I get that they're doing it to, like, stop the fraud. But then what are what are those people do? I mean, yeah. And they're living, you know, check to check already. I don't know. But this all stinks to me like of of like international connections that I don't think I could have ever thought about.

Like, OK, the Bronfman family and the Bloomfield family are talking to Mormons. But this happens again in the 80s and 90s through again, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, through the Mullen company, once again, Bob Bennett. And they end up doing this weird thing. And I've spoke about this before on on my channel where they end up playing a quid pro quo game, right? Like this lady gets put in Beverly Brough Campbell and and they make her this like basically she's hooking.

She's the Madam, but it's not sex. She's hooking up the people at these concerts for the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. And it's like the Pope and like the Mormon, you know, profit or it's like the CIA guy and the Mormon prophet or whoever these fancy people are. And for like 1200 or 2000, these are not regular tickets sold to you and I for these expensive tickets where they can probably write them off later, right, as a business interaction.

And then they get big, comfy red chairs to talk about whatever they need to talk about that night, and it becomes a problem. Yeah. So. Yeah, like you said, I mean, I would, I found stuff too in this that I was not expecting to find. It's it's way bigger, way more widespread. May way more far reaching than than I thought and and and it's a lot of it has to do with this spy stuff for me, like moving money is crazy, but like they seem to like guys like Oswald.

That's what I've come to find in this research with this JK stuff. They they like, and I think it's because Oswald really was this kind of double O 7. You know, I was trying to remember one of these. I'll just say, we'll just say James Bond. I was trying. There's another movie guy I was thinking of. I can't remember his name right now, but like, you know, international globe try spy

guys. And yes, they love guys like Oswald. And I think it's because they were they they're trained in the ways of military OPS and CIA OPS. And you know, Oswald had a book written about him before. Did you know this before JFK? There was a I knew a book about him. I think it's the one that talked about him being in an orphanage when he was young. Is it that one?

I think it may be it's, it's Thornly he he's OK, he served with Oswald on a base because and that's another element to this Oswald. If you look into his past, he jumped from base to base to base. So because they were training him spy stuff everywhere. So but but by the time he gets to Thornley, Thornley found him to be such an interesting guy that he writes this book about

him. And he did see him as this like Casablanca double O 7 type and he talked about how he thought Oswald was AMK Ultra mind recipient. I think it may have been and I will tell you for RFK, it definitely gets into that. And I will say this is that when they look at the mind control aspect of things, they know what they're doing the whole time. Like they are programming this from the get go. Like he didn't just get chosen.

There was probably something, my guess is in his testing, right, that showed like maybe he gets, you know, hypnotized easier, which is the case with Sirhan Sirhan and even Bobby Kennedy, one of his things. And I think, you know, this is what really put the heat out for him. When we get into, you know, the next one that was the Patsy, unfortunately, is, you know, all these people are surrounded by completely like just on every level, some sort of three, three

letter agency. Even his wife, even his wife, even though she was supposedly like a prostitute or whatever, you know, he gets married to her and takes her out of Russia like her dad. Yeah, yeah. And her dad was like, yes. And I'm like, he literally had no chance. Like it's kind of sad if they weren't. That ties into Galen. I I think because Reinhardt Galen had this has such an extensive spy network establishing Russia.

I think he was helping Oswald move around and navigate in Russia. And I think he, I got, I think he got him in there, got him in touch with this General Oswald ends up with the guy's daughter and then Galen gets them out of Russia somehow and over here with no problems. He's no problems, Yeah. And then we've got Mayhew, who is another actually Mission Impossible is his life is supposedly that's like his life, I guess.

And so we've got him on the other side, one generation up that's doing the same kind of stuff, you know, and. Jason Bourne a minute ago. That was the name. Yeah, yeah. It's so weird cuz he's like literally involved on every level cuz he didn't just work for the FBI and the CIA and for Howard Hughes and he's in with a mob. I mean, I don't think you can get any further. Like really.

He's international as well. So I'm like all these people that they can basically use, but like nothing ever comes back on them. That's they they get away the whole element. Comes into this though, they're they like guys who have been in these programs where their heads have been tinkered with. I think that's where you see this MK Ultra connection here. And like Thornley said that he thought Oswald was a Nazi breeding.

It was part of a Nazi breeding program, which is way but but you know, so there's a connection. Is it? Is it when you start talking about the Epstein stuff that's coming out recently, I mean. I, I definitely see it as a possibility, but I also see the MK Ultra thing. I think it, it seems like a lot of these assassins in, in modern times were, were part of MK Ultra somehow or a program like it.

I mean, they were all like reading the same book to they're all reading Catcher and Rye. Yeah, when we get into RFK, the doctor that basically performed all of it on Sir Han, Sir Han, which is sad because he's still alive and he's still in prison. Yeah. And he just ran his mouth all the time to his hookers and, and it came out later like he was like, yeah, I freaking, you know, did that. That was me. Like, I think he wanted the clout, you know, cuz he kind of had a big ego.

And it's funny because some of them do that and some of them don't. But we sit there and watch, you know, the fruits of their labor turn into a nightmare. You know, it's sad. And even Bobby Kennedy, like I said, said I wished I had paid attention to the Howard Hughes stuff earlier. And so that tells you right there, you know, what will somebody do for money? You know, not like what, what did you need, Howard Hughes?

You had enough money that it's still going and will still continue to go for who knows how long, you know? And it's wild. Diamond that was. That was Sir. It.

Was it was. So there's this doctor, he was a MK Ultra Berkeley psychologist, guys, part of an MK Ultra project called Doctor Diamond. He, I think he was involved with Sir and Sir Han and with Mark Chapman who shot John Lennon and both Mark Chapman and Sir Han. Sir Han mentioned Catcher in the Rye and Chaplin had a copy of Catcher in the Rye on him. After he shot Lynn, he sat down and started reading it. I think Hinckley, Hinckley, who shot Reagan, was reading it too.

But there's like this clear connection between assassinations in that book. Like it was. Like there's. A There's activation triggers in the book that signal certain parts of your brain to make you feel a certain kind of way or something like something is happening between the hemispheres. Because why does Chapman sit down and start reading this book after he shoots someone? It's almost like he couldn't get enough or he wanted to get into a certain mind state or

something like before. He got or a trigger like Sir Han, Sir Han, Sir Han has stated on the record it was a doctor William Teeter, a psychiatrist, I I believe. Now that's just a quick Google search, so I'm not 100. That could have been the one at core Yeah, yeah.

And so he he said, well, I think he was the one that definitely concluded that he had been hypnotized and he actually thought that he was at a shooting range and he liked Kennedy. He had been quoted by saying like all kinds of nice things about Kennedy and, and all of it. So he thought he and, and honestly, he wasn't the one that killed Kennedy. And even RFK Junior knows it. And it's sad, but, you know, we'll get into that one because it hooks back into, you know,

all of this, which is so weird. And so does Martin Luther King. But what what the end thing is about the Kennedys, that why, why are they so special? You know, why are people coming after the Kennedys? They were the first people that were going to integrate blacks and whites and different things. They they were very above their time on that.

And we get back into that Nazi brotherhood of the North type stuff and all this, you know, white supremacy thing that that goes back into Theosophy. Weird enough, you know, and, and she kept coming up and all my stuff, Anthroposophy and Theosophy in both of them. And I was like, and I know you're going to do an episode with me on that, so I'll wait for that. But it was weird to me that this kept coming up. I was like, why is why is this coming up? And then aliens.

It was like the weirdest deep dive I've ever done, right? Like I'm like, what? Hey. There's, there's Theosophy connections, the Nazis. We're drawing heavily from the teachings of Theosophy. You know, we can get into this later. I don't think. Oh yeah, I don't think Helena Bablaski was all bad. I think her I think some of her messages were taken and used for bad when they weren't necessarily. Well, they kind of put her in like a prison, like a mental weirdo prison there for a

minute. So we'll wait on that. Yeah, but you do you do start waiting in the realms of the occult with this stuff. I mean, even the even the SEMK Astra thing, like it's they had Sydney got the Gottlieb, the CIA had this guy Gottlieb, right? And he was drawing, he was drawing inspiration from the Nazis, but he was, but he was taking this esoteric approach and he was looking into like and

no key. This guy worked for the CIA and he's looking into Enochian magic and occult sciences and he's trying to find uses for all that stuff within the CIA. I mean, demonology, ritual, magic, remote viewing, he was messing with all of that and wow, he's dosing people with LSD and he's feeding them these new age occult theories just kind of like like Charles Manson did with the Manson girls. It's like Charles Manson was trained to do that from one of these. It is like he was trained and

where was he? He was also in an orphanage for a time, and so was Lee Harvey Oswald. And it's very interesting to me on all of that. And you know, this Permandex rundown, this was quick and dirty if I went into every single place because the Bronfman's, you could do 3 episodes on just the Bronfman's part in it or just, you know, the Bush part on it. But we, if we did that, I think people, we would lose interest a little bit here because I think if you want to go deeper into

that, that's awesome. I had a great time doing that. But I don't know if that many facts, just shooting at people is great. Yeah. And so I want to explain that because people are going to say you guys miss this and you guys miss that. Of course this is a spider web. Of course. Yeah, it's, it's more so the stuff it's, it's the guilty by association stuff. It's the stuff that surrounds permandex that I, I wanted to focus on, like going deep into

permandex itself. I mean, I don't know, I, I feel like I learned more about how that works by studying some of the other operations just like it that we know more about like there's more historical data on like for instance, like what Reinhardt Galen was doing and how, but he, he has an almost identical network to Permindex. So by studying what he did, I'm learning how something like Permindex would have operated and would have been possible. And still probably is.

They just had people that kept their mouth shut. They went to prison. I mean, some of these guys went to prison, you know, E Howard Hunt, I believe it was, that went to prison. I mean, I think the reality of this is that we don't have a lot of data on permindex. There's only so deep you can go into this. There's a lot of papers and a lot of things, but it's all saying the same thing, right? It's all the same thing. Or it's or it's not 100% reliable like the Torbit

document. A lot of what we know about permadex goes back to that Torbit document, and that was LBJ's guy. There's somebody from LBJ's camp here. So you can't, you have to take it with a grain of salt, but he did leak. It's like the 1970s version of a leak on the Internet. He did leak stuff in that. But you know, I don't know. I, I didn't, I was like, oh, I could, I could. But Bloomfield, it'd be an interesting guy to go into.

I think we did. Bloomfield is definitely very interesting and they did hide things really like where he was the attorney, they said on the letterhead they like, removed him after some of this stuff started coming out, but he was still working there. Like they did some little stuff like that. And back in the day, I guess that's what you had to do. But like now with the Internet,

if, if it's out, it's out. But I am curious what he's going to let out because it's going to go back to this Roy Cohn. It's going to go to resorts. It goes from Roy Cohn. Well, it goes from the Meyer like whole situation with the Mormons and with Bennett and the Mullen company, which like I said, leads to Watergate. Then it goes into this whole situation with Roy Roy Cohn and Resorts International, and where

does it land? It lands on Trump, and you would think he would want to keep that on the DL. So they have to have a reason. That's why he didn't do it the last time. He promised the last time, and he didn't do it. Well, we kind of know why Uncle John's in there, his best friend's in there. Like all this weird stuff's in there and I'm like, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for him to release it. But obviously RFK's on board, so it must be good enough at

whatever they did. And you know who else wanted to release the the aliens was Nixon. And, you know, he was a super good friend of Donald Trump. Yeah, that, that that connection is fascinating. I mean, later in life, Nixon, Nixon moves to New York, gets an apartment in on Park Ave., hangs out with Trump to the point where they like we've talked about this, they they had the same minister there in in, you know, a church there.

But anyways, like Trump gets a letter of recommendation from Nixon to to chase after the presidency. And I think Nixon even wrote in there, you know, my wife has foreseen a victory for you. So he. Had a. He had a psychic that saw it. He was all into this weird psychic.

But the Nixon stuff is crazy because Nixon may have actually done the deed of taking all the UFOs files and everything we had and making them privatize and turning them over to the aerospace companies like Lockheed and Boeing and Ray

beyond. So, and that would explain why this, this fight of disclosure has gone on as long as it has, because it's some, somewhere along the way, it's almost as if it got out of the hands of the of the government and went into the hands of these private companies. And I think Nixon, there's a case to be made that Nixon was a part of that. And it just makes sense that maybe Nixon shared some of that that with Trump.

But also when you look at stories surrounding Nixon, like the Jackie Gleason story, Jackie Gleason know that this big actor who was friends with Nixon, apparently they were drinking one night. And I don't know if they hopped on Air Force One or they got in a helicopter or what, but they ended up Nixon took him to one of these bases like a like a secret facility and showed him some UFO stuff.

I don't know what it was, but whatever it was, it changed Gleason's opinion and it changed the man overnight because he went on to build it a house in the shape of a UFO. He overnight became interested in the topic. His Gleason's wife attested to it. He just became a UFO fanatic almost overnight after this, whatever Nixon showed him. And I think it goes to show that Nixon had access to that stuff and was probably hands on in the process of moving it to the aerospace world.

I definitely think they've got their hands on a lot of it. And one thing's for sure, there's little nods all along the way with the Mormons, like with Wernher von Braun, and they're friends with Disney and all this stuff. It can't just be Freemasonry, you guys. There is a brotherhood. And I do believe there is a a cabal that runs this world that we have no idea what it is.

We get little glimpses, like you said, we see little things, but I think each one of them has their piece of the puzzle. And they're like, you don't get mine. I don't get your like, they're all holding so tight, you know? And they're never going to just let that go because it's complete power. It's complete power. There's no way they wouldn't have a whole index, a permanent index of people to kill unless there was a reason to do that.

And I I think it's that. In my opinion, this is the way you study a group black permadex by studying some of the groups just like it that surround it and you know another one and you're right there. There are decent there's multiple groups. Sometimes they work together, sometimes they feud, sometimes they they they're isolationist because they do act like a nation with and they have enough power. But you know, there's another

the Bilderberg group. It's, oh, it fits into this in a way too, because it was formed by an ex Nazi who, who was you said IG Farben earlier he was on the board for Izie Farman. Is this guy named Prince Barnhart of the Netherlands? He was a former Nazi. He was, he was in bed with Martin Bormann and Juan Peron down in Argentina. Those guys went to Prince Barnhart for help, so he's, you know, he's got all these connections as well. Well, and I think possibly JFK might have snubbed.

So if the if it's true, what they say that Hitler lived and they went to visit them in Barrow Loche, right. He was one of the ones that never went, but Trump did. Right, right. Yeah, There's only a couple presidents to hit and go down there. Yeah, and I. JFK and and Carter maybe? I think it might have been yeah, I, I know JFK didn't go and I think maybe he did an, you know, he was his own man. And I get that. But also, his dad's ties were

just wild. And so, yeah, I get that he was trying to break away from daddy and like, what dad was up to, but it was in too deep by that point, you know? And when he started doing that and snubbing people and doing stuff, and I'm not saying he deserved it. I'm just saying we're not overly surprised. Right? Like Onassis, Jackie marrying Onassis is a huge red flag. Like huge. Onassis had a former Nazi banker as his banker. He had Hitler's banker working for him.

And he's on, he's in the financing of Permandex. Like, once again, we get back to these key players and maybe she was just sick of being cheated on. I'm not saying that he didn't deserve it, but I mean, not to be killed, but like her to be mad at him, right? But there's a better way. But then they were Catholic, so maybe they couldn't get a divorce, you know?

I don't know. But I'm just saying, like, all these things, when you start to look at them from backward, I mean, yeah, it's such a huge thing now. But then if somebody was like, you know what, my husband, he's just, it's impossible. And the Maryland thing, and that was bad. And, you know, talk about MK Ultra people. But her showing up and singing, Mr. President, I do feel like it possibly pushed her over the

edge, you know? I think this goes back to that joke that it's it's a big club and you ain't in it Joke. Yep, Yep. I think all the clubs that we talked about today, I mean, it's, there's way more to be discovered on, on all the even this Bilderberg group, like I think that they're connected to this whole thing too. But you got, you know, you've got permadex. Bilderberg, Reinhart. 1001 Club. 1001 Club. There's Naumann. He was, he had a FDP or something. He was another former Nazi who

had another one of these groups. They all, it's a network like you said, it's a yeah, it's a web and you know, it's interesting I think. And they're all philanthropists. Do you notice? This that's, yeah, there's, there's got to be some tax benefits to that. Yeah, that's so funny. And then we see all these people get in kind of trouble. Like I said, they go forth on the Watergate business probably trying to keep more the same type down the same line of secrets.

And then all of a sudden the Mormon churches in out of the red when they've been like that for for years and years and years. But hey, he just cut the building fund. That was what he said. And he's a Canadian socialist and I, he's squeaky clean. Him and James O Golden are the two hardest people I've been able to even study on James O Golden. It's like, Yep, he was inner interpool. Yep, he was intertel. Yep, he was a spy. Yep, he was all these things. And he worked for Howard Hughes.

And then he worked for, you know, the right after Howard Hughes gets there, the international H1. And then it's just like, oh, that's it. Not even his obituary said much. I mean, his was locked up and so, but what was funny was he must have turned code on all of them because after he's there for just like maybe one year, he comes back here and he he's over the, the crimes for the mob. I was like, you were working for the what? You were working for the mob like that.

That ought to be a dangerous job. I'll tell you what. But it's like that with these things. And it's not just Mormonism. I mean, Catholics, we could do this. I bet we could find another Catholic Permandex. We could find, you know, I mean, they're everywhere And it, it's just like you said, it's like the elites that are hiding in plain sight. That's what. This boils down to and I think a lot of researchers haven't touched permandex because is so dense.

It was so hard. It's almost like you need a like a whiteboard or a blackboard because I mean, I'll think of all the names that we went through today and we did not even go through all no of the people. To just organize it, to know which way. Yeah, it was too much. I have like probably 50 or 60 pages of notes on this and all these books and everything. My husband came home the other day, the whole beds covered and just crazy stuff. And I'm like a mad scientist in

there. And he's like, what? What are you doing? I thought you had it all your notes. And I'm like, I don't know how to tell the story. How do you I I don't know. Yeah. I was like, is this important or is this important? Or is this more important? But you don't want to make it like 20 shows because you're not going to have very many people stick around for 20 of this.

I mean, I would because I'm fascinated, but I. Think what's interesting is maybe we struggled with something that Garrison himself struggle with because Garrison is looking into who killed JFK and he stumbles across permandex and the weird church and the. Weird church, yeah. Yeah, and all this stuff, it just opened up this doorway for him to the shadow world of elites and how they interact. It was probably overwhelming for him. Oh. I'm certain of it.

And plus, people are dropping like flies. 17 people. Everybody you try to bring in is dead and so, and not just them, like their families and and like, it's just this horrible, you know, death situation. So I don't blame him for wrapping it up. Yeah, I mean, I, I don't blame him either. That that's why. And I'm serious. Like you go and search sperm index, you know you're not going to get much on this because it's so dense. Even if you search the players,

it's so extended. Like, like he said, you're going to go into Nazis and then you're going to go into Italian fascists and then you're going to go into the mob and you're going to go into Howard Hughes and you're going to go into the Mormon church. Like really? I mean, every time I open something else and I would see another thing, I was like, Oh my gosh, I just wanted to do one thing. I was just trying to talk about

this one thing. And it was only because Bob Bennett's ties to Howard Hughes, you know, And I was like, oh, this will be simple, blah, blah, blah. No, it wasn't. But it was it was it was definitely eye opening and like, I can't imagine being Garrison and knowing one thing, there is nowhere for you to hide. So for him to prosecute Clay Shaw anyway, I'm sorry he had some falls of still. Like I don't know that I could have done it. I'd have been terrified. You can't go relocate to anywhere.

They're everywhere. They're everywhere, every country and so. Garrison, I just thought about something. Garrison was talking to this editor of Ramparts magazine and Garrison, I think, told him that he had the suspects in the GfK assassin. They should narrow down to people within characters within the aerospace world. So I, I love that connection because that that's what gets us into and it kind of helps

explain how we got to UFOs. And, and believe me, well, and then you get right back to the Oswald. They have the UFO files apparently. If Nixon handed it all over aerospace is who knows the truth about UFO's. It's not the government. Right and then you get back to the seance of the 9 and you go well, this poor sucker, he was just surrounded Oswald. I actually have a lot, a lot of sadness for Oswald because AI think everybody in the world knows he didn't do it.

B, there's no magic bullet and C, he's literally from every person that he was around, even speculating his parents were involved in it. They literally said that. Oswald could have done it. I think he was trained to do assassinations, but I don't think I think he was there to take the fall probably. I mean, when you look at his activities in the school Book Depository, he was standing on the 2nd floor, not sweating, not, you know, just calm as a.

Cucumber and. Right after the shots rang out, but there was somebody in the elevator apparently. So, you know, somebody may have been up there and taken a shot, but it wasn't. I don't think it was. Oswald, I agree with you. No. And I feel and I mean, you know, he was doing what he needed to do, I guess for his job. But at the end of the day, like, it is weird too, because then you brought up the depository and who owned the depository. We get back to that.

Exactly. And then you get into what happened to to Bird's son and his family. And that's a whole rabbit hole because he it was so weird. They just found him like he was lost and they couldn't find him for weeks because he was going to go give a talk on all this to a reporter. And he's just found dead in a different pair of clothes, emaciated and looking like he'd been like a prisoner of war. I mean. Was that bird, son? Son, son. That was the bird who went to Antarctica, son.

Yes, right. Yes. And the other bird is his cousin, yeah. The bird who owns the School Book Depository is the cousin from Antarctica. Cousin. Yes, isn't that weird? But you know, and it's in Texas. He owns a building in Texas and they're they're in the aerospace world and all this. So it's just. Well, and he came back and said, what about that second time when he took his son? He took that son with him when they come haul and tell back and said we ought to get out of

there, right? Like, there's, there's aliens there. There's they're chasing us. And he told some reporter off the cuff, like all this crazy stuff. And then they shut him up and put him away. And he was smart. He left little like things all over the place so he could kind of protect himself. Yeah. They're still, they're still like he has documents out there probably that hasn't been discovered yet. He's get there in somebody's attic.

But yeah, this goes back to that Operation High Jump I was talking about, which is not declassified. Still, that's what there's something there they don't want us to know about, and it seems like it has to do with UFOs. I mean the whole bird Antarctica thing is fascinating. So. Like something, and I think it involves the Nazis like. I'm not sure.

Into it this late in a program, but they they were something happened down there with the Nazis with with with I don't know if there were aliens or not. That seems to be something like that happening when you really look at it. But like when they would bird went down to Antarctica and when they descended on Antarctica, they came they've landed everywhere but where the Nazis had established a base. It's almost like they landed and work in a position to surround the Nazi base.

It has the Nazis, Yeah, somehow with whatever. For sure they didn't lose anything except their position of where they lived. And I'm not convinced that Hitler deceased the way they said either. And yeah. It's just the, it's the, yeah, it's just this UFO component to this that that's super interest. I mean, this has been polarized to the Max, this UFO stuff, so it's hard to get to the truth. But like the Nazis, I believe they were developing anti gravity, but it's not what

people think. I don't think they necessarily were building UFOs, but they they were, they got an object to lift off the ground. And we don't know how how much further they got from that. But like, if, if Hans Kamler survived, if he was, which I think he did, if he was able to make it to South America and if he was able to get black budget funding from Argentinian President Juan Peron, I, I think he could have developed a UFO probably sometime.

For sure, for sure the. Guy who had this facility under Kasai Castle in Poland where they were working on the bell. Kamler's this. Massive. Mystery he's he was over the Nazis like secret weapons program. Nobody knows what happened to him. They He didn't die, he went somewhere. He's like Enoch. He translated. He's like gone. Yeah, no, it's it's wild. It's like a big rabbit hole.

Well, if anybody would have been able to build or construct something UFO like it would have been Kamler, because he was already working on it. He right able to get stuff lifted off the ground. So like, you know, you know, this is a whole other rabbit hole.

But you do see stories like I think it's Michael Herrera who came out with a story sometime in 2006 where he and his unit, he was U.S. military, his unit landed in Indonesia after a tsunami and they were trying to figure out where they were. I think they were lost. So they went up on top of a hill to see to get directions. And once they get up there, they see in the valley next to them, there's a ship there.

There's a UFO sitting there. So they suit up and go down there and investigate and they get surrounded and subdued by some, some one of these international forces of mercenaries. Nobody knows who they were. They're wearing black. They were military trained because they are over to they were over to like are they are able to like subdue our our military, which is hard to do. And they had like they had like an accent, like an American accent. I think.

So somebody along the way judging my stories like that, somebody figured out how to build a UFO and they've got. Oh, definitely. Something. They know they're all making these end of the world fortresses. All the rich people, all this stuff happening, they know stuff we don't know. There's no way it. Seems like Hughes knew about this too. Just, oh, he knew things, he said. He knew this. Technology. He knew I think he possibly either gave he who has the king plays, plays with the castle,

right? They took him and they had him until his death. What they gleaned from that I don't know. But I do know the Mormon Church loves to talk about their keys and that they have the true form of Masonry and that they have the key and, and you know, they've never been able to flex on the Catholic Church as much as I've seen them flex lately. And I think that they're putting their cards. I think everybody knows time is going fast and everybody's putting out their cards.

I think it's time to look at the hands, right? Like everybody's ready. It's time to show your cards. And I think it's a freaking wild ride. And I think the stuff that we get to see as just small people watching is nothing to what the game really is. Just like how Canada just flex back on us with Mexico. And what did Trump do? He had to stop those tariffs for them. So I'm just saying this game isn't quite what it seems to be. No, it's not.

It's not like we're just living in an age of discovery where we're getting these little glimpses into how things really run. And if you guys were unsure of Tesla's sheer capability, he got arrested for making an earthquake. So I mean, we're not talking about he knew how to lift a cup from here to there. What we're talking about some serious business. And so the one lovely thing I think about Tesla is, is, well, a, he was horribly underrated. And I, I mean, I think that was

purposeful on his end. I think he was sick of everyone after they screwed him over enough, but also he was really altruistic with with what he wanted to do. And I do think that's why he just gave up. But when he would talk to people about like developing your, your senses or or whatever, you know, to make yourself better or higher power type thing, he would, they would say, well, how do I do this faster? Go walk an old person in their wheelchair, go push them, stuff like that.

Like it's all goes back to what God says, what love one another. So it's just so hard for us to figure it out, but like not all of us. But I'm just saying. What an interesting case study that guy was. I mean, you know, he's, he's got a place on the table when we're talking about advanced technology. You know, that's The thing is, is, I mean, if we would have used Tesla's technology, we would be in a living in a, in a

different society. You probably you probably would have to pay an energy bill every month to some company And and you know, I could keep going, but there's. Which is why. Which is why they didn't want him to do that. You know, they they've hoarded it all. I'm sure they had all of. This yeah, because they could profit off of it, yes. That's why we have these stupid power line poles up that they just they look dumb and they you know, anytime a storm comes

through you don't have power. It's dumb. We could have done it underground using Tesla's model and it for free the the Earth you can, you can move energy around within the Earth for free. It's so it's so dumb. It's just, you know, everywhere you look, some rich guy has gotten a hold of one of these brainiacs, got either shut down their technology or used it to

make a profit and. Well, do you know, even Howard Hughes's dad did that, you know, his fancy drill bit that he, and not that he wasn't smart, he was an attorney and everything. But his fancy drill bit that he got, he was sitting by some guy at a bar that was like, look at this invention. And the guy would. And he was like, hey, I'll give you 200 bucks for that. He's a millionaire, you know? And back then, that was a billionaire. Yeah. So. Yeah. Tassel fits in T Townsend Brown.

There's a lot of these guys who were stumbled onto this technology that could have changed, could have the world the way we live and, and, and instead that technology was like grabbed up or kept under wraps. Harvard. And it's, and, you know, not, not to run in circles too much around Trump, but it seems like Trump is Privy to some of that technology. Oh, he definitely, definitely is. And so with that, we will say we won't condemn the man. I'm not into that.

But I will say this, we have to watch the fruits of his laborers. And right now I am concerned. It's a lot going on at a really fast pace. And I just don't know that that's how you make a good change in the world. It's just a lot right now. I think these things should be slow and thought out and methodical. And you've got somebody like Elon doing crazy salutes it. It does concern me. I don't trust him at all. Trump is one thing, but Elon,

no, that's another. So with that, we will say we always give it to God. He's got our back. And you know, we know how this thing ends. They can only do this for so long. And that's why they are not happy about it and want to keep us around. You know this. Has been great. I mean, we had a. Fun time. Yeah, we did. Definitely we did. And so hope you guys liked it. I know they've waited forever for the Permindex episodes.

Here's permindex Plus. It's more, it's more than Permindex. So it's definitely more than just one topic. And and that's because I think it is more than one topic, and it's probably here to stay. Yeah. So with that, Tim, let people know one more time where to find you. Yeah, thanks. It's been great. And like I wouldn't go back and redo this episode for anything.

I think, I think, you know, learning how an operation like this works and how it does work and and just how it's, you know, it's just this web like you said, but but we don't have to know exactly what played out what permadex to understand what kind of stuff they do and what kind of stuff they're up to. So anyway, I just want to say yes, I really, really enjoyed what I gleaned from from this episode. But yeah, I'm Tim Constantine. My show is 6th sensory podcast.

I'm on Spotify, Apple, YouTube and Patreon, and Instagram on Instagram. Oh, Yep, and IG and I am Heidi love I'm everywhere podcasts are served. I do have a Patreon and on my own website, Unfiltered Rise dot com, a podcast.com and then I also do YouTube, but I only drop there once a week because some of the stuff I talk about just gets me in trouble there. So twice a week on Spotify, once a week. Otherwise, if you find me on YouTube. So I appreciate you, Tim.

It's always a blast. I always have a fun time chat. So thanks again. Bye.