14. Gnostic Mass vs Mormon Temple RItes

What the? Hell, you're feeling a bit like Alice tumbling down the rabbit hole. Aren't you ashamed? No, I'm not. You think you are, lady? You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want. You take the red pill, You stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. I think I'm entitled. You want answers? What? The truth? You can't handle the truth. I'm awake.

Are you? Let's go now to our new episode of The Unfiltered Rise with Me, Heidi Love. In this episode, I got Heidi with me, and she will be, I guess, explaining her escape from Mormonism in a sense, which I'm very, very excited to have on. I mean, I think my listeners already know.

I love talking about Mormonism and my opinion before we get into it. It's just I I think obviously my listeners already know, but my opinion with Mormonism is that a cultism may be at the root of it, you know, I think I think that's a huge possibility. So that is kind of one of the reasons why I'm very intrigued by Mormonism and I am also lucky enough to have the one and only Teresa from Spiritual Gangsters Co hosting with me. What is UP TI? Have a new one. That's I like it.

Yeah, we all, like, try to think of like new intros for. Yeah, you have to do the hand sign. You have to be like T, right? Yeah, I'm gonna do that. Yeah, yeah, you did it wrong. I know just. I'm not. I'm not that. No, no, he did it wrong. He didn't do it. He did it. Good. That's funny. You know, my my ghetto side I'm getting yeah, what's up? From I'm from the trailer park. Ghetto is fine. It works. Yeah, I grew up there. I grew up there.

So all right, I'm happy. I'm excited to be here. I'm from the Unfiltered Rise podcast. I'm newer. But I think I have a lot to say, which is why I ended up in podcasting on it. A total accident. I am not. Well, I am now. I was not a podcaster. I actually just took some pictures and sent them to one of my favorite podcasters, which was Josh Monday and Jason at the Josh Monday Christian Conspiracy Show. And I said, hey, I saw this at a high school and it's and it's a

famous high school. It's the. High school. They filmed the High School Musical at in in Salt Lake City and it's ironically right down from the temple anime Sonic Lodge. But we'll get into that no another day. So anyways, there's this huge mural on the wall and I was like, oh, this is creepy and culty and weird. So I sent it to him and I just said this is what's up. And he's like, OK, Isaac Weisop Jr. like you broke that down. Crazy. Like why don't you just come on

the show and talk about it? And I was like because. I'm not a podcaster. And he's like, well, I don't live in Utah and I don't know a whole lot about Mormons. So now you are. And I was like, whoa, He's like, just do a show, you know? So, OK, so I did. And I went on and just thought it was a one and done. I I had my son's little puzzle light, like and like a phone and that. I think that was oh, and my earphones. Yeah. And so we made it through that one.

And then he said, oh, you were Mormon. I love to talk about Mormons. So like, we went on, did a Mormon show, and then we went on again did another Mormon show. So yeah, I think I noticed that on your podcast when I checked out your podcast. So the Josh Monday episode was like, you were the guest actually, right? Yes yes. And so he he just said I want you to know something cuz cuz I know you don't really wanna like do do this, but like. You had a whole bunch of hits on

this like a lot. And he's like, I think maybe you should tell your story because maybe you can help people. Well, he hit me in the in the nurse fields because like that's what I do, right? I help people. Like that's my whole I'm very grace driven, mercy motivated person. And I started thinking about it and I was like, Dang, and do you ever wonder real quick? Do you ever wonder if that came due to being woman? Actually, that was totally my family. I can. I can go there.

Well, could that even be an influence from being Mormon? Cuz that's, you know, the whole thing of, like, you're always there to pamper somebody. Well, and there's only so many actually acceptable working jobs that you can do outside of your home as a Mormon, and nursing is one. I mean, they're not gonna tell you that. They're not gonna say that to you. They're just gonna look at you wrong every time you.

Yeah, I had actually. I think what I I could be wrong, but I think I had heard because of that with the jobs and like women, I guess, like in romanism, where there's only certain acceptable jobs. That's why Mlms have become big. Yeah, yeah, because they don't even gotta leave the house now. I don't know that. And they're legal in Utah. Yep, you have to. You have to stay. Well, you don't, okay. Listen, they don't bring out some doctrine that says you have to stay home, Okay.

I don't want to misrepresent anything because I want to be truthful. They strongly encourage you that your job is in the home because that that's like it's very a patriarchal, like, you know thing. They're like the men are the men, the women, there's roles. And so I always kind of missed it like because. I took care of everyone, even as a kid.

And I'm like, yeah, the dad at my house sucked, so I don't think so, you know, like and so I was always different and it and I felt it, you know, I I felt that hard. But so growing up, if you don't fit the stereotypical mold, if you're not stereotypical wife, if you're not the perfect person, whatever whatever it becomes, there's not shunning per se until later. They're not quite like Jehovah's

Witnesses that way. But there is definitely look looking down like oh, she doesn't do this or oh, if you haven't been to the temple, you you don't have the special underwear. So you're not as good as I am. So you know, and then it it becomes very materialistic to be quite honest. And we'll get there too. But it's very being in the Mormon Church is like being on the Kardashians, but really, really moral. So. God, I love that. I'm like, what did she wear to church?

Oh my God, she bought a dress with no shoulders. And yeah, it's a whole big deal. So you know what I have found interesting? Whenever I have seen like Mormon families, like on TV or like on reality TV, they got fucking money. Oh yeah, well, it is the richest church for a reason, but I don't think it is as much because of church influence. It's because of Masonic. Type crap where they all help each other out. So it's just like the Masons, they all help each other out.

They know those handshakes, by the way. We have them too. We're missing two of them, but we have those handshakes. I'll get into that. But yeah, we they all help each other out, you know that's what it is. If you're if you're good enough, if you give enough money, if you're if there's a lot of ifs involved. So better mind your P's and q's

and not have any coffee. So if you if you don't if you don't mind maybe I'm give the listeners a little bit of a just an idea I I you might have mentioned it already I know we spoke about it beforehand you were born into Mormonism so I think that's a difference if you could just like also just I guess give people just a basic idea of like you know I guess how long you were in. It I was in, oh, I was in.

OK, so I was born into it. However, my parents were what we like to call Jack Mormon, and I forget like. It's kind of funny because I become the Mormon expert. And I I told Josh, I'm like, oh, I'm not an expert. He's like, uh, like, yes, you are. You know, a lot of stuff like, but in Utah, it's not. It's like everyone knows the stuff. So Jack, Mormons are something we call people that go to church once in a great while, like Christmas, maybe Easter.

We were laughing about that. It's just like, they just don't go, but they kind of live it. But I'll tell you what, I've had some arguments with Jack Mormons and. They almost have a stronger testimony than the people that are there every day of the week because they're like, they will fight you to the death. And I'm like, you don't even go. You're smoking a cigarette and having a coffee. What are you talking about? And they're like, blah, blah,

blah. I don't know if it's because they feel bad or. But yeah, my husband always laughs about that. He's like, you're going to argue with somebody that's never going to back down. It'll be a Jack Mormon, so. I was born into it. I was blessed into it. You get blessed as a baby, kind of like the Catholics do the little baptism for their babies. We do a blessing. We don't do any water baptizing.

We just get a name that the men all stand up in a circle and put the baby in the middle and they all raise their hands to the square and put put it on each other's shoulders and do a priesthood blessing. And you can't be in the circle unless you're a melchized priesthood holder. So I was blessed into it, and then at 8 years old I was baptized. And I was pretty much active my whole life, even though my parents weren't, because I had

some really nice neighbors. Now that's one thing I want to say before we get too deep is that Mormon people are awesome. Most of them. They're nice people. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. And I I purposes myself and I've said it before, even on my own shows, even. I'm talking about like even people in the OTO or the Masons. Yeah, for the most part, they're actually not like the thing, the people that are involved with making this world, right. That's nothing.

They have nothing to do with them. And the Masons are encouraged to be good to their brother and and help people. And they have like charities and you know, I mean they're encouraged to help their fellow man. I've checked into it like it's very. It's very similar like that, but like the normal person just going to church. I didn't know a lot of this stuff until I was out. So like, you go backwards and start wondering.

My whole thing was I want to know what the hell happened to me in the temple because I knew it was weird and I was like, OK, that's not good. So at 17, long story I did seminary my whole I graduated from seminary, so I did four years of. Seminary teaching of Mormon teaching. We go to school and we take one period out, either before school, in school or after school to do. It's like catechism and we just go for four years and learn everything about the church.

Then the boys go on a mission as soon as they graduate, usually about 19. They go for two years. They dedicate their life. They pay for those missions, by the way. No, that's a whole big thing. They have to pay. They set a certain amount. So like if some kid goes to Japan, he still pays the same amount as a kid in Iowa. OK, Like, it's not, it's not terrible. I think the church does move the money around a little, but. Not probably as much as what. I'm sure they own all the properties.

I'm sure they're making money. I I don't even want to go there because that would that will be all the whole episode. But so that happens to them and they can't date. They can't talk to women like other than without a companion. They talk to their families. It used to only be on Christmas and Mother's Day but they had to change it because too many people were having mental breakdown. Go figure, send a little kid out into the world. That's not, like ever been away from his parents.

And then they have to be with their companion everywhere they go. So, like, except the bathroom and they go through the temple and they have their little stuff. And then they they go and teach new members. They're the door knockers, like the Jehovah's Witnesses. So they do that for two years. Girls can go, but they can't go till they're 21. So they really strongly encourage us to get married. That's why we can't go till we're 21. They won't tell you that. They won't say you can't go

till. They just say, oh, that's just because. We all know what it's for. So at 17, like every good Mormon girl, I got married. I was a childhood bride. I wasn't graduated high school. My parents had to sign for me and he was 25. Yes, we get to choose our own husbands. No, we're not pushed in anything. My grandpa was just a little crazy about like, he found out we were messing around and he was like, well, 25 year old man, you can marry my daughter or you can go to prison.

He was mad. He was so mad. But we were already like. Into it. We we liked each other and it was fine at the time. Now I'm like, stupidest. I mean, it was senior prom and I'm getting married. Yeah, so good. Like dumbest decision I ever made. Oh, my gosh. And if I, if I didn't have my beautiful children from him, literally because I was like, so such a messed up person because of my family, that I was like, oh, he's bipolar. It's fine.

He's bipolar. He takes his pills and he was just out of alcohol rehab and he doesn't have a car and he's divorced and has a. Kid. And yeah, it's fine. It's fine. I'm 20. 5. Make it Yeah. And he was in the Air Force, which was the only thing that was going for him. But he was a good guy for a long time until. And I shit you not this really happened. And no, this isn't normal.

And no, they shouldn't do this. I lost my husband to a polygamist girl and she was already married and she was the third wife. They just work together. And I'm like, you've. Yeah, Your face was my face. I was like, you're leaving me for a little house on the Prairie. Like what? She's like, is she was she gonna leave the other dude or no, I don't. She never did. And he was super abusive, but she was like a defective wife. So I think she felt bad because she was the secretary at his

work. And so I think she felt bad because she lost her uterus after her first child. Well, that's that's like, oh, that's. What she meant by defective? She's defective. Yeah. She can have any more babies than she's the youngest wife. And that's what her job was. You know, like your job is to have babies. If you're the youngest wife, so did you ever so she sorry to interrupt you some of the things that you're saying.

Stranger than fiction, man. I'm no, it's just bringing me back to like ideas of Handmaid's Tale that show that. Oh, I felt like if you couldn't have kids, you're you're getting thrown. I mean, you're. Practical To the wolves, Yeah, yeah. She was, and she was a pretty girl. She was young. She was nice. I mean, Ish. I was mad, so whatever, you know? But like, she kept doing it. So it was, yeah. I mean, the cops came.

We'll just end it with the cops came because I the second time I was like, the first time I was nice. Now I'm pissed. So that was enough of that. And he ended up back on meth and in the streets. I couldn't even get him to divorce him for two years. I was like and then I got punished for that, so. Get into that one too, about the temple. So I grew up like that. My family was a wreck so I really leaned on the church because they really are there for you. Like everything before you go to

the temple is amazing, OK? Everything before you go there is like you have church meeting and then you have primary for kids and they sing and it's great and it's very indoctrinating. No, when you say temple, I just. I just want to. Pick the picture in the list. Yeah, the temple. Are you talking about like those big, nice fancy ones? Or are you talking? About them. So you were so now I thought I

could be wrong. I thought you actually had to be like kind of important or be up there in the Mormon church to even attend those temples. Nope. OK, So what you have to be is you have to be worthy. They call it worthy. So every church member has the opportunity. Whether you have status, wealth, whatever it does, that doesn't matter to them. But you have to pay your tithing. So even if you're broke, they'll tell you you pay your tithing the 10%. And I'm like, well, then we

won't have food. Like, I'm 17 and he's the broke idiot, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't know. And we're living like, it's not good. And he's like, no, no, you pay the tithing, we'll give you food. Or we'll help you with rent. Or we'll help you. That's right, they still want you to pay this hiding no matter what. No matter what. So it's all about OBD wait, So they'd rather wait. So they still want you to tie, but then if they have to give you money, they'll still give it

to you. But I. Guarantee you. They give you like food like good. I guarantee you that somehow. Some tax type of shit right there. Well, and you have to go work at the Bishops Storehouse and help can the food or do some work or whatever. And then you also, like we ended up being janitors for free. Like they get all this stuff for free for people that they help, so they trade everything for their buildings. All their maintenance, all all their upkeep.

I was scrubbing toilets for that cottage cheese like it. Nothing is free, you know, And so, I mean, maybe sometimes they do it just for a write off. But yeah, and so you have to have that. You have to not break the word of wisdom, which is coffee, tea, smoking. You have to be chased. I guess my exhusband missed that one. You're not supposed to be having sex with other people. Stuff like that. What's what? The coffee tea thing. So, and smoking. Yeah, drugs.

Anything. Well, actually, so many people get this wrong. So this is what the actual word is. The word isn't caffeine at all. And actually the real word, the real word is you should not have hot drinks. Well, back then. And and the cold brew is OK. Yeah, right. So I'm like and they have hot chocolate, which has way more caffeine in it than a cup of coffee, if you really. So they actually manufacture hot cocoa, so in their Bishop's storehouse. So it is not.

And they own cocacola. Don't let them fool you. So I don't really wait. So I bought this product that my friend sells, and then I realized afterwards that it's probably a Mormon MLM. Once I got yeah, I think it was a total Utah. I was like, hello. But the patch? Yeah, the TH. No, it's called Amare Amare Global and it's like a neurotropic, so it's a drink mix. You put the cup in your drink and it gives you a caffeine like effect without caffeine and that makes sense.

Yes. And also somebody just chatted in that he he saw people back in the day have spittoons. And he's not wrong. And this is what happened with the smoking. It used to be okay to have tobacco products, but his they used to do the meetings in his home, in Joseph Smith's home. And his wife got so sick of cleaning up the floor because the men would spit on the floor that Joseph Smith wrote that he had a revelation that nobody should have tobacco anymore. Because back then, cigarettes

were not really a thing as much. It was like a pipe or, you know, The Chew. And it was messy. So I'm like, OK, that's fun. So I'm like, you can't have any of that. Yeah. Wow and. You. Yep, you can't. So. But now it's translated so everything changes in the church, right? So eventually they're like, OK, now we have Cold Brute, like your like teas or coffee. Whatever. OK, so now they're like, ooh, uh oh, we better not have caffeine. It kind of got twisted.

But they don't say that. They just say, well, you can't drink coffee and tea, but you can go drink ginseng tea or you can drink whatever else. You know, so they don't care about that. And then it's like very all of Mormonism. There's always an exception to the rule, like it is so and they'll change it constantly, which we'll talk about, but so you have to do that. And you go in and have a meeting with your Bishop and you talk to him about all the things and they like.

And this used to happen to me even as a kid, because when you're 12, you go do baptisms for the dead and you have to have this same interview. So the Bishop, like, nicely sits there. You're all alone 12/13/14. And he's like, so do you masturbate? So if you do masturbate, how do you masturbate? And what did you think of and how did you do it and what did you do? And did you use lotion and like? I'm serious. And it got real creepy.

And I think there was a lot of people that flipped out like parents eventually. Not in my era. They kept on going with it and I was like, so the first thing you learn in Mormonism is you must be perfect. And I don't do anything. Forget it. You don't. You're not going to go back in there and say that again. Like, that's so weird. And so you just start lying like crazy. And everybody's supposed to be this morally clean and half the girls end up pregnant. So I'm like, yeah, great, okay,

whatever, you know? So you have to have that. What else? You have to be a full tied pair. And when I say a full tied pair, they sit you down at tax season. And they take you your financials and you sit down with them and they look at your gross income, not your net. And they go over if you actually did it and if you didn't do it, you have to, you have to pay it back. You're deficited to the church, and they're like, worse than the IRS. Yeah, they're way worse.

And so they want to know all the things about everything about your whole entire life. And so that's fun. And then you're not supposed to, you know. Do drugs but not, not pharmaceutical drugs. And you're not supposed to get tattoos, but you can have breast implants but. And every woman in the church does. I'll tell you, like I said about the Kardashians, it'll it'll come up like everybody is like, so perfect and they're women, like constantly.

You're having mental breakdowns. Everybody's depressed. And the church owns stock in pharmaceuticals. So when we'd started getting like approved everywhere, you know? Utah was one of the last people, and even now it's only approved for medical and they almost make it like impossible for normal people. Like, it's $250 to get your medical card and you have to re up it every three months for $250. Yeah. And then you can't. That doesn't cover the weed. That's just the card.

And then you go in to the pharmacy to get your weed and you can only buy it from the pharmacy and it's like highly expensive. Oh, out here. It's not even worth it. I've taken a look at some of the shops that are out here. I'll still get off the garden streets. Yeah, it's more expensive and it's not as good. And I'm like This is why? And the thing that weirds me out is like, these things are also, like, regulated by the government. It's like. Yeah, yeah.

What's in there? Who knows, you know? I'm like, I've never even heard it. It's like you go to look these companies up and you don't even find them online. Yep. And then so once once you do all this, you may as well take that damn pill because and the church wants you to. They're real funny about it because they own stock in a lot of pharmaceuticals and they actually came out to their congregation. Can we say like the vid stuff or should I like code word it? Okay.

So the thing that from 2020 that will never go away, they actually came out and said to every single member that they should get the thing that cures it, cures it in church, in church. So many people that were completely against it went and did it and did it to their children and did it. In general, and because they want to follow the prophet, the prophet knows everything. But also the prophet's just a man if he's wrong and you can't

blame him. So I don't know which one it is, but that's what they always say, Like they always are. Like, well, he's the prophet and he's divinely, you know, put in his place and he's called of God and blah blah blah. And then you're like, oh OK, he knows everything then and then they're like, Oh no, but he, if he's wrong, he's just a man. But what does the Bible say if a prophet's wrong once? And everything he says is wrong, right?

That's what the Bible says. But also, the Bible is only correct in as much as it's interpreted correctly. So the Morgans don't really believe in the full Bible either. So there's that. Wow. So that's just to get there, that's just to go. Then you have to pay about 150, probably between 120 and $150.00 to get your little outfit. Which we have pictures of. You can. Oh yeah, creepy, creepy looking. Yeah, so you wear this. And funny enough and the handshakes we might have to

bring back after. But these are signs and tokens. This is what you wear. And this was the bottom corner is a recreation from the show. Something banner of heaven. You know that show, it was like on Netflix or something. This is actually they do this, I was there. This is what really set me off a little bit. That's one of the things they do in this two hour ceremony and then we can go to the next one, yeah. They do that in, you see how they have their hands like this.

Yes, that make a cut of. Slit their throat, Yes. Or spill their bowels. They do it down below if they ever, ever do what I'm doing, which is be an apostate and tell the truth and and I want to put this out there as a disclaimer for any Mormon viewers or any people that feel like I'm being disrespectful. Here's the thing, I was in this until I was 34 years old. I was raised in it and all of my family is still in it. And I was. I almost had my kids taken away. Like, it goes bad.

Like I was sued. I was reported to CPS. Yeah, my family went crazy. And so to this day, I don't speak to most of my family and they're all still Mormon. And they would be very upset with me with this. But I'm not doing this to be a jerk, and I'm not doing this to make fun of it. And I'm not doing this. To do anything harmful to anyone.

But if I were abused and and I was in a therapist's office and I wanted to tell my story anywhere, they would say it was good for me. But I have to hold this in. I'm not. I'm not doing that. And if you don't like it, you can turn it. But I'm going to tell my truth, and this is truth, and there's probably other people like me, and most of the things I've seen on Mormonism are really careful about this because they say, oh, this is their. Sacred thing.

And I'm like, OK, but how do you ever figure any of this out? Then? Like you, you're like, oh, they do this here, oh, this and this. How do we ever break it down if we don't ever expose it? Really. Like, that's wrong. So that's why I did this, and I'm going further than most people would, but that's just how it's going to be with me. So they quit doing the slit their throat and slit their bellies in 1990. Because too many people complaint a lot of changes.

Even though the church is perfect, they change it all the time, which is so funny to me. And I'm like, OK, if you're perfect, what happened with that? You know? But. That move, the slicing of like the stomach, the throat. And I think there's another one in the OTO. I think they do that. They do that in the OTO and the Gnostic mess. Another thing they represent, you know, they don't do it on an angle, I don't think like that. It seems much more straight. Like it even looks.

Like, you know, it's very and Joseph Smith was a master Mason. Most people say that he wasn't, and I actually know that he was. No, On the YouTube account for the Latter Day Saints, they have a small little like 2 minute episode acknowledging that he was amazing. Now now finally and and he got his well and they say oh we don't know what what degree he was. We're not for certain this and that. No, he was.

He was initiated. And then that was in March of 1842. And then two days later he was expedited in two days to master Mason on March 15th, 1842. And you guys can check my facts. I am such a huge backup on on anything that I spew because I don't want to be just saying stuff to say stuff unless it's my personal life. Yeah, so he he also has been told his brothers in the church and it's Oliver Cowdry. And Martin Harris. And him. Tons of other ones. Heber Kimball. Brigham Young.

All of them were Masons. His brother was a Master Mason. His father is speculated to be a Mason. And there's some huge occult background there. But I might. Remember the day of the when he first started? It was Oliver Crow jury that scribed for Joseph Smith, right? He was the 2nd. Oliver Cowdrey was the second. You're good. He was the 2nd scribe. Martin Harris was the first. By the end of the time he finished the Book of Mormon. He None of them liked him. They all hated him and he

excommunicated both of them. So that's fun. And it's because they kept catching him with other women, because he and then all of a sudden he's like, oh, I'm a polygamist, this is all sacred and blah, blah, blah. But The thing is, the stuff that Joseph Smith was doing, which they refused to admit in our church, our own church, said Nope, he was not a polygamist. Yes, he was.

He was, yeah. Yeah, but they they only came out with that when the Internet hit and then they did a big thing and started saying don't look up stuff. On the Internet I was still in. Then they say doubt your doubts, don't doubt your faith. It was a logo and they would talk about it at church. Don't, don't look for outside information. If you have questions, go to your Bishop or lds.org. Don't talk about this.

And the thing about the Mormon stuff, with the temple rights and all of this, none of this is ever to be breathed or talked about except for inside the temple. Well, when you're inside the temple, you're doing stuff because it's all very regimented. And it's all so quiet. So when the heck are you supposed to going to talk about that? Like never. When are you going to end up there with your Bishop? Probably not ever.

Like again because you go so you get there and normally you go either when you serve a mission or if you're doing baptisms for the dead when you're young, when you're like 12 to 15, you go as a youth group and we'll get into that because that's a separate thing from all this. And then? You go when you get married, but but if you're a single woman, they're used to not have anything that you could do.

But my grandpa, like, was Catholic forever and my grandma was a Mormon and she really wanted to go and she went to church every Sunday and did all this stuff. And they did make an exception for her in the late 80s because they knew he might never go. Because when you go the first time you go, you are sealed. If you're with a husband or wife, if you're going on a mission, it's a different thing, but. You're sealed for time and all

eternity. So they believe that when you get married and there's an altar picture on one of these and it's a wedding, the the people by an altar are getting married in it and that's what you wear to get married. You don't wear your wedding dress and you don't say wedding things and there's no I do. And Q and your family can't come unless they have they're qualified to go. They're little recommend and they know even if you tried to

fake it, it's all digitalized. So then you get into this, so you get you're going to go to get married, you're all excited, you go there and you're fancy dress, and when you get there they give you that. Nice. Well, you've already bought it and it's $150.00 and they own the patent and you can't buy it anywhere else. But if you don't have the patent and you can't afford it or whatever to make your own or buy some, you have to rent them from the church. And so every time you go.

You go rent them, you change in a little locker room And then it used to be when I went this is where it gets really fun. They used to make us get naked and then they give us this poncho to like put on. It's like a not see through poncho with the slits open on the sides. And I was hugely pregnant then because we had to go later because my husband was a convert and so. Real quick, I have a question. I have a question. Not anytime. Stop me.

They wanna just wanna know what was going on in here in this, right on the. Right, I will. Let's come back to that. Go towards one with an altar. If you see one with an altar, we'll get. You can just skip, yeah, we'll get there. Any of the ones that are in the temple and this is all gonna get really a cult later as we all can see you. Know what I think the only ones with it that I have. Maybe I didn't send it. Yeah. OK, so you lean over this altar. Well, in this we can finish it.

So this is the sign. There's signs and tokens you receive. So the first thing that happens is you go through initiatory, which I'll explain here in a minute when you get naked. But now they don't, I guess. And you do a blessing on your body and your loins and now they just touch their forehead because remember, it's perfect, but they change it constantly. So, OK, so they changed it because people were uncomfortable getting naked. I know. I was definitely one of those.

You sit on this damn cold block and you're like, what is happening in here? Like, why is there no cushion or nothing? It's an altar. I didn't even know that. Later you're naked on this altar thing. It's just a stone slab. It looks like a bench, but I didn't know. And then so some lady comes in and she's blessing you for your sinews. I think you might.

And some of this might sound familiar to you, like your sinews and your loins and your something and your and anyway, I've read some Mason things and it's very similar. So this lady comes in to do it, and I'm the only thing that's bothering me at this point, even though I'm Naked and cold and it's weird, is she's a lady. She can't give me a blessing. She doesn't have the priesthood. I don't understand what she's doing in here. And none of this makes sense to me. I'm like.

What about I'm like, yeah, wait a minute, What are you doing? Because I thought, when's the guy coming? And she's like, oh, no, you're not dressed, so you have to have a lady to it. I'm like, tell you, you don't have the priesthood. I'm like, so how's that going to work? And she's like, oh, it's different in the temple. Of course it is because everything is different. So. All right, So we get through that. They give you your new underwear, which they do in

Masons as well. This underwear is more this older versions with the Long John, but they still have it if you want to wear one piece. Whatever. Nobody does anymore. They look like a Haynes. Oh yeah, go back to that. They look like a Haynes tshirt and some kind of longish boxer shorts. There's tons of different material. Again, the church owns the only stores that sell these. And again, you have to buy them specifically from the church.

They're about 35 to $40 a pair. You need a lot of pairs of these because they're your underwear. You can't even put your bra underneath them. You have to put your bra over the top of them or underwear over the top of them or whatever else you're going to do. They're very underwearish. They've got like, like the little panty area, whatever for women. Yeah, that works really great wearing boxer shorts on your period like. It's the worst thing ever. And then they have maternity

ones, blah, blah, blah. So they're making all this money, right? Because these do not cost this much to make. And there's pictures of kids in sweatshops making these in China, so that's fun. Then you get these Masonic symbols on them and it shows where they are on the chest. Actually, they missed one. So if you go down, see how it has a sideways cut on the belly? That's the ruler as well, like the sideways ruler, and also on the knee. And so I remember asking like,

why? And they have military ones and everything. Like they're supposed to always be white, but for the military, they do make exceptions and they make them in like army green and stuff. But you are to wear these all the time. Except if you're going swimming because the devil has dominion over the water, and if you're going to make more Mormons but you put them right back on after. And some people get really weird about that. But that's not a church thing. That's a them thing.

And to shower, but as soon and you never put them on the floor and you have to put them in with your right leg 1st and your right arm first. There it's all very specific. And so you get these underwear and then you go through to the next part of the temple ceremony and the one where it's a whole bunch of women and you can see all these veils. That's the next room. And I had no idea these were Freemason symbols. I thought this was like, my grandma was like, oh, every knee shall bow.

That's why it's on the knee, like they tell you some story. I don't even know, but I had no idea. I wore these for years, Didn't know. So the next picture on there where it shows a bunch of people like veiled and sitting down in the room, Hey wait, Heidi, what if it's like summertime and you're wearing like, what you're wearing now? Nope, you can't. So you have to wear like long sleeve or short sleeve. Or the rest of your life. Yeah.

And you're buried in them. And so this picture here at the bottom, So the women and men are separated. They go on separate sites of the room. And there's a speaker at the front. Or, well, there's still always a speaker. But whether you have a live session or a recorded session, a recorded session is just like a movie. But the live session is actually acted out, like in full play. Like they do this play, OK And so you go in there, you're separated. They do, they do their side, You

do your side. And you're going through the first time for yourself. So the first time you get your new name, you get your new name. Mine was Abigail. You get. The man gets a new name, however. He only tells his name to the person at the veil who is God simulating God. And I tell my name only to my husband because I'm only saved through him because I can't have the priesthood right?

So so it's so sexist. Anyways, so you are to only repeat that name to him and someday when I die or he dies and then he calls for me through the veil, not God. My husband does. So. And he can call as many women as he wants to call. And he can have a temple. He doesn't have to have a temple divorce. He can get married. My uncle got married seven times. And he asked one time, like, who do I call? And they're like, oh, don't worry, God, I'll figure it out.

That's all they ever tell you when you have questions? Yep. And I I'm like, OK, so I get married. And I want this divorce, right? Because, like, this guy went super crazy. And I have all the reasons in the world he had an affair. He's on drugs. He abandoned me. He's not taking care of his children. He's gone. I can't find him. And so I'm dating. Like, what do you do for two years while you can't find this guy? You know? So I can't even find him to divorce him. So I'm stuck.

And they're like, oh, well, you have to get remarried to get a temple divorce. We don't give a temple divorce unless you have another man willing to take his spot, First of all. Second of all. Yeah. Second of all, my new husband. This comes later. My second husband found out because we had already had this baby.

And we had a little boy and he said, OK, so normally converts have to have their children sealed to them because like, the baby was already born and he hasn't gone through with me yet, right? But no, because I was already done and I was already in and I already had my children born under the covenant, which means I was already in before any of my children were born. My daughter was in me, but she wasn't out. So we already did all this

garbage before she came out. So every child from then on out is born under the covenant and sealed to us immediately. Like just because, like there's no ceremony. Again, nothing but people that are converts, say your whole family converts. You have to take your children in and get sealed and it's for time and all eternity. So families can be forever together, which is unbiblical and not supported by any Bible. Anything. It says what happens, tell what, tell death you apart.

And anything that's that's here, we won't even be male and female later. Like it says that in the Bible. So anyways, go forward and you look into, oh, by the way while you're over the altar, you might find this interesting. You're looking into eternity. Mirrors like that go on forever. You know that you're not that face each other.

Very magical stuff there. So the temple signs, they start doing this whole thing with you, like those weird pictures where they are showing you either the handshakes or the signs and symbols where they're like, yes, this, so this. And they're they're doing actually one in this corner one as well. So all of these are signs and symbols that they're going to give you in the temple. So you're learning all this your first time.

But it goes along with the story of creation, like of Adam and Eve. And they talk about how God, but they don't believe in one God, they believe in three like. Yeah, you know what you have to do. You gotta go look up an OTO Gnostic Mass and watch the 1st 5 minutes when they even show the people coming to the temple and when somebody goes to a Gnostic mass and if it's your first time there. They always go over the signs that you're going to do, yes. Why?

This is what they do while you're in the Gnostic Mass and these things are in there, yes. Except for this one. This exact symbols, yes. And that's so weird. And the handshakes, The Masonic handshakes. Well, not the shit. Yeah, the handshakes aren't in there. But these OK so. OK, this top are that top one is the handshake right there. You can see it's it's the two Volcane symbol, the two Volcane

symbol with the knuckle. And then these ones like I said, they took out the slicing one because there was too much controversy. Then the circle thing, these that's basically what you're doing in the temple. You're learning all these signs and symbols because if you don't know them when you die you can't go to heaven because you're

going to go to the veil. At the end there's a big curtain that simulates the veil like when you're dying and my husband went through 1st and he gives the signs and symbols to the guy standing there so that you can learn them and and if he does it right, if he does it wrong, they correct him. If he does it right then he's passed his test for the Sentinels and angels that guard God so he can go to heaven. So OK, he fakes going to heaven by going through this curtain.

There's even like slits in the curtain so you can't see the person. It's just a hand. And so you do all this stuff and then you go through fake. And then he calls me and does it with me. He he does. He's God for me. He's my God, right? Because of course he is. So that's fun. So they don't deny that they do

these ordinances. That's what that little clip was that you just went to. It says that they're they're going to continue to do ordinances in the temple that are placed under covenant with him and that they always call it covenants. And I'm sorry, but in the Bible it literally says you're not supposed to do oaths and

covenants. And I listen, I don't have a problem with the Mormons. If they'll do one thing, say you're not Christian. If you want to be whatever you are an OTO member, if you want to be Mason, if you want to be a Mormon. But don't lie to people and tell them they're Christians, because it's not. And that is my problem. And that's why I'm angry, because I was tricked into this and this is crap.

Because they will not utter a word of this to you until you get there, because nobody can talk about it. I've seen it a lot before, like even just, you know, not getting into it, but. Even when I've said my opinions on certain things on the podcasting community, it's not actually, I could actually give to flying fucks what you're into or what you believe. Yep. Or what you practice is just that. Why are you telling your listeners that you're not into

it, right? That's the problem that I have, cuz then it seems a little shady. Why do you? Why do? You. It seems deceptive, for sure. It is deceptive because I'm sitting there going, wait a minute, yeah, And not even my grandma would tell me, not even my no, nobody, nobody utters a word. They are under such tight. And I feel like this is my

opinion. I feel like most people don't speak about these things like what I'm telling you because they're still secretly afraid about the oaths and covenants they made about spilling. Because they say you make these oaths and covenants in front of angels and witnesses. That's what they say when you're in there. So they say if you break them, I don't just go to hell, I go to outer darkness. Like with murders? So I was watching an interview with a former Mormon just

yesterday, actually. Funny enough. And he was saying that even like like your issue with calling themselves Christians, the Mormon baptism is not valid. No, because they don't baptize to God. They're baptizing for the church because I was baptized. So what the words actually are are you are baptized the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

They don't ever say about God. They very rarely talk about the Bible or God. They talk about Joseph Smith and we're not supposed to have idols. They got him plastered all over the place. And by the way, their Mormon Jesus is the blondest, most white and delights in Jesus I've ever seen. He he's like blue eyes and one of my friends, after I got out, she goes, you know that he looks like one of the demons, like the water demon, some water demon when she told me.

Metatron or something. And she was like, you better take that down. And I was like, oh, my gosh, I didn't even think. So now I am so diligent on my daughter. I'm like, I show her the Jesus from the Shroud of Turin, like he's very And he's brown. And I tell her I'm like, OK, listen, he was from a place where people are brown and I don't care what color anyone is. Yeah, I don't care. My my whole family's mixed. So, I mean, she didn't have a problem with it because my whole

family's mixed. So like, we just, it's not a thing for our family but for other people because they feel that that's the mark of Cain to be black and it the church is very racist. Well, they lie and say they're not now, but they are. But anyways, until the 50s they couldn't. Oh yeah, yeah. I can't even believe like at all this. Is only the Wikipedia, so it's not even like, yeah, I can't believe there's any black or brown or Polynesian, any kind of members that are any kind of brown.

Sorry, I cannot believe if you're brown or a shade of brown or a particular anything of brown or black. You must go through and read what they have said. Because one of the main quotes that stick out in my mind and why I say white and delight some. And it's funny, but it's a Mormon joke because all of the prophets used to preach to the Native Americans and there's a literal quote from Spencer W Kimball, who was one of our

prophets. And remember, they're supposed to be perfect until they're just a man. I don't know which one it is, But he said, as we have preached more unto our native brothers and sisters, they have become exceedingly white and delightsome. No, they didn't. You killed off everyone they could mate with, and they had to mate with white people. You idiots. Wow. You know, I am interesting. The whole thing is so deceptive. Like, what was I going to say? You know, OK, even I'm Canadian,

right? So like. This is a little bit removed from me. Are you Mick Mac? Are you? No, because there's a story about that. So. Oh yeah, I know about the Mick Mac. I am Mick Mac. Are you OK? I'm the Mormons from Alberta and whatnot. But anyways, no. I wonder like if the Learning Channel has anything to do with this or if they are owned by Mormons, because I feel like growing up and the only experience I have. With Mormons on TV is the Learning Channel.

But they never sister wives or something. Sister Wives and the Duggars, which is also some other strange form. There's been a bit, there's been a few of them on on 90 day fiance too, so I do. They get it. They get, they get their reality TV on. It's kind of like normalizing these very interesting offshoots of Christianity, but without. Ever specifying what they are. I'm just like, oh, that's like what Christian people are like in America.

Like I guess well, and I want to be very clear, the FLDS, which is there's there's three types. Well there's many but the three main is the reorganized Church of Latter Day Saints. OK, that was the breakoff that happened when Joseph Smith and his brother were killed. His wife continued it with through their sons and they made a reorganized church, which doesn't believe in polygamy at all because she was not down. She beat the shit out of one of his little girlfriends and she

had a miscarriage. They said she fell down the stairs, but I found another quote that was like, no, she didn't. So yeah, and I don't blame her because girl, I get it. I did that once. Anyways, that happens. You lose your temper. I don't know if I'd do it if she was pregnant, but just still. And so that church is that one. Then there's the mainstream, we call it mainstream LDS, which is what I'm teaching on today. And then there's the FLDS, which is the polygamists.

But even the polygamists are multiple sex. There's at least three and some follow Warren Jeffs even though he's still in prison. It they still follow him and all of that is still carried out through his brothers. Everything in that area. I used to live right outside of Colorado City, really close to there in St. George, UT. So they dress like Little House on the Prairie. They they're very old school.

No TV's, none of that stuff. They can't they have to do their hair certainly like it's very strictured. They pick their husbands they all that, all that stuff. So, and there's a lot of controversy about abuse in that one, but I'll tell you this. And then there's another one that is just like them, but they don't dress like that. But they wear long sleeves. They wear long hair because they don't cut their hair because it's their crowning glory.

OK, so this part though it sounds controversial because of the actual abuse lately. Before Warren Jeffs, his dad Roulon was over that sect and he was actually a better person and he made sure all the girls were 18 to get married. Most, most all of them. Like there was not this childhood bride situation. I mean, that's still really young, but they were of consenting age. They still choose their husbands, they still push all that crap, but they believe in the real Book of Mormon like

before. It's been messed with 100,000,000 times like what mainstream has done. They are actually more true Mormons than any mainstream Mormon. They actually keep to the old, the old rituals, how it was set forth by Joseph Smith. So when people bash on them, it's because of the people that carry it out. And I don't care what they do other than the Christianity thing. They want to have 45 wives. I really don't care like just don't live off the government because they do.

It's a big thing that they are only spiritually married to those wives and they all get assistance. So they believe in called bleeding the beast, which means they believe in using everything at their at their disposal that they can any kind of government thing because they hate the government and they want to bleed the beast so. Wow. Yeah, it's very interesting. And they don't finish their homes. If you ever go there, we can do that on Colorado City later.

But anyway, if you ever go there, their homes are like weirdly half finished because they don't want to pay taxes on them. You don't have to pay the same tax. And they know all the things. They know. They have their own sheriff's, they have their own government. They will follow you if you go into that city. They will question you. And it's kind of scary, like they are not messing. Around like some Scientology moves right here. Oh, for real. Their stuff is like science.

Like it. My my sister actually married one that got out of that sect and so we know. You went from 1 alien to another one. Yep. Yep she is. And I was like anyway, so that's that so. Real quick, real quick. I did want to mention cuz I see now we're getting into occultism. This is why I did ask you earlier. And then you started going on into something. I didn't want to reinterrupt you again to make a point.

No, but I the reason why I had asked you, I'm almost positive that whoever did start scrawing for Joseph Smith, I think it might have started on April Martin Harris. I think it might have started on April 9th. I could be wrong, and I always found that interesting because like, April 8th was the first day of the writing of the book of the Law of Alice the Crowley. Yeah, yeah. And well and. And The thing is, too, this sounds, well, you have an Oliver Cowdry.

Yes. And the first one, Well, the first one that did it for him was his wife. And then he got Martin Harris. And if you've ever seen the South Park on it, it is quite actually correct in a lot of ways. They banned it everywhere. But it actually kind of went like that.

He was a wealthy banker. He helped him be his scribe and then his wife got pissed and took some of the pages and that she's the one where they say smart, smart, smart at at the cartoon because she said OK, she burned the papers and said no, that it said if I'm going to give you all of it, it's OK, I'm mine, all of this stuff. If if we're going to give him all of our money, then I want to see some proof.

And he said, no, no, the Angel told me because you did that, I shouldn't tell you what those books said. So we're going to translate other books. So yeah. So it's kind of funny. And he predates it before Jesus. But and also on your point, this is actually super interesting because Okay, John D got the Inocchian alphabet. How? Saw an Angel. Right. So then they told him to do what?

Write a book, write this down. And there were many offshoots off of John Dee's writings and knowledge to make multiple religious aspects. Right or religious basically ripped his story. Well, I I actually think something different because then on top of it, Alistair Crowley saw what A was, right? He saw A was first and A was told him to do what? Write this stuff down. And he formed the Lima. And then Muhammad saw an Angel and he wrote some stuff down. And what happened?

He formed a religion and then Scientology, they saw some angels and wrote some stuff down and they formed A what a religion. So this story has been done before. And I don't think any of it's a

ripoff. I think they're nethylene spirits or fallen spirits that are coming to these people and having them write many false religions, just like it says in the Bible. And it says that they'll be many things that will lead them astray and they will be beautiful and they will be, you know, full of light. And and that's why they say you can never just trust an Angel, right, Because you never know what you're entertaining.

That's what it says. And Joseph Smith's cute little story about when he was 14 and he saw it, so he went to the Grove and he prayed and he he was, oh, I want to know about God and which church I should join. And God the Father and this Son appeared to him and he was overtaken by darkness and he passed out. This is how this happened for real. And that's the cute story version of it he doesn't explain. Later he saw up to 24 spirits and or angels that is documented.

So his mom wrote a fantastic little book that they can't hide and it's amazing because it's going to get into all this occult beginnings. And so after that it took him four more years and the story is almost exact that the one of Enoch for Masonry and how he kept going back every year to visit the plates and blah blah blah and they still had play. It's so similar. It's almost silly.

I think there was a real Angel, but I think he took some stuff off of that story because he was a Mason and then he didn't receive the plates like they show it this cute glorious thing like one day la like this Angel came and it's all bright and beautiful. That happened on the fall Equinox in the middle of the night all dressed in black. He received these books right after he got married and I'm pretty sure before he had sex because part of his thing was he

was a virgin scrier. These parchments are from his family line. His mother has a quote on here and she was a follower of the House of a brac and they worshipped A bracsis. They have documented her talking about how she follows the House of a BRAC and he got hurt when he was 7 and got typhoid fever and he got osteomyelitis in his leg and he was sick for years and had to be in the home and laid up while they're all out treasure hunting. And he was bored just like JFK. He was super smart.

Why cuz he was sick and read a bunch of books. Well he was sick and stuck in his house and they were pretty down poor so he probably read whatever they had. And their background is Scottish and I'm pretty sure they had the Magus by looking at some of this stuff. I want to ask you real quick. This just brings back more like, I think, a cult symbolism tied to, yeah. Mormonism stories that well, and I guess this story probably

came. I mean it did come before the Lima. So you know, I again the question you know who ripped off who, but right. You or you, Angel? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for appearance. Do you, do you know of a metal mountain Meadow massacre? Oh yeah, yes, of course. Crowley wrote the MMM also. And the The Meadow Mountain Massacre also happened between September 9th and September 11th, supposedly. Also he talks about Joseph Smith.

You know that, right? Also, I find it interesting that like even with 911, every single plane number had to do with with with a Crowley book. And then you have Crowley writing the MMM and there's the Meadow Mountain Massacre that happened technically around the same date around 9/11 frame. I'm like, what the hell? And then you got some guy with the name really close to his name. Yeah, it's very weird. How jury?

Well, and I think it's channeling to be honest, because he uses OK, so these parchments, he wrote. These are in their family. This is their family writings. And this one actually has a demonic name in a Nokian alphabet on it. At the bottom it calls down. Jubilants or some demon and and there yeah there's a whole bunch of stuff in here. In fact this this scared the Monday brothers. They were like, we gotta pray

right now. I'm like I always pray before too don't worry, like and they were like no way. That looks scary. I'm like, well, it it. I mean, yeah, you know, so he was the SCRI Virgin Scrier and he was the sear stone user for the treasure digging. And all of this had to do with that he wrote these. There's no proof, but they're in his family.

They were kept by his brother. They also had a Mars dagger with the Mars symbolism on it. And they executed and this was documented that his neighbor paid the dad this. He died with this Jupiter Talisman on him and his wife actually stated that that was his because all this other stuff they say, Oh well, they said he was wearing that when he was in the jail cell, right? She said he never took it off. So I know you have that knife in here somewhere.

Yeah, there's the Mars knife. And so that is one that is definitely the. Mars right there and the sigils. And that's like planetary sigil or like. I mean, people who mess with Kabbalah would probably still use that. Because of the planetary well. And they think, they think that he maybe was exposed. People say he wasn't, but he had this mentor when he was quite young, maybe around 1314. That was actually the cousin of his coming future wife, Emma Smith.

And his name was Lumens. Well, William Lumens, isn't that interesting? Lumens like light. Bringer like light. Yeah. This all freaked me out. When I started like, Ding Ding, yeah, I was like, oh. Oh my gosh. So he came to town just randomly. He was like a doctor. They said, OK, Josephson never had any exposure because he was this poor farm boy. Not so. This guy brought many books with

him. He was a doctor and he had traveled all over Europe. He was actually really familiar with multiple things of magic and was known as a magician and so with his mom being in the House of a brac and that's where Abracadabra comes from, is Abraxas, which by the way that demon is a necromancer which plays super into stuff later because. Well then, the baptisms of the dead too. The dead. Well, every work is for the dead in the whole Mormon temple.

Except your your own. You do yours 1st and every single one after that and you're encouraged to do as many as you can. A month are for dead people. It is a necromancy. It is yes. And so this all this his seer stones, his knife, and there's an actual those circles that were and they're not necessary. I mean we can do it or not. But his dad was actually looking for treasure and drew two circles.

In the dirt with a sword and then made the cone in the middle for the triangle cone and was using like all kinds of weird sigils and muttering like spells on the outside trying to help this neighbor find treasure and he wrote it down. So this neighbor, this is his account, like literal from his journals. And then he said they said to him it will work better if we can slaughter your black sheep

at midnight tomorrow. And we can do this again and they use that knife and that knife is is for blood sacking if you look up stuff like it's crazy. So they used that, and these sigils are all part of the

treasure hunting. You know, and if you I'm so curious later I know we're on live, but later on the one where it's kind of red and I included it at the bottom, I'd be so interested to know what they say like more about what they say, because I know that weird symbol is about that jubilance demon Jabulon. Jabulon, Yes. And then so all of this stuff is not Christian. Like that is the same. And that says what Holy of Holies like sound familiar? Like holiness to the Lord, Holy

of holy. And that's on our temples too. And there's upside down. Penta Grant There's oh, doesn't every Doesn't every temple doorknob have a beehive on it? Yes. Oh, we are excessively. We are the Beehive State. Utah is the Beehive State. We are. We were settled and given that name. It is all completely Masonic, which was one of the things I sent to Josh in that school. There's like this big. Beehive. Like oldfashioned, like crusty antique dead bees in it.

And I'm like this is so creepy like what the heck is going on here But he and he did the Masonic sign right before he died but they ignored him because they were pissed because he ripped off their stuff. And you know who William Morgan is And that whole story about the Masons. Do you know that story case? So he was like this anti Mason and he started. Like going out and writing all the books on it and talking about masonry on the corners and was pissed and just like going off going off.

But he he was into masonry before that and then the whole anti Mason movement happened because of him. Well one day he happened they brought him up on charges which they did the same thing to Joseph Smith that are basically like jaywalking like it was silly like nobody gets in trouble for that. He got in trouble for treasure hunting is what he got in trouble for. But Morgan got in trouble for some other thing, and it was a

debt or something. So somebody paid it and he got out and then nobody ever saw him again, ever. He's like a big famous story. And so, funny enough, Joseph Smith married his widow. Spiritually. Yeah, spiritually. And she had all this Mason stuff, so she had all his stuff because he was a Mason before he went anti. And so he had, and she was super

in love with him. She was the only one of his 34 wives that showed up to the funeral all dressed in black, like a morning widow, like everybody else was on the hush, you know. And so he got his temple ordinances for Mason and exactly two months later created his own within two months. So I mean, there's no doubt in my mind that he completely ripped it off like that Sure,

sure sign of the lion's paw. Our sign for that is called the sure Sign of the Nail. Like he just made it about Jesus. He probably read the Bible a lot, stuck in there sick, you know? But I do think he saw apparitions because, OK, so the brother too Kay, when he got the plates that night, most likely. See the circle thing, most likely. That night was his wedding night, so I'm sure they consummated. That was the same night he supposedly got the plates, which was on the fall equinox.

Nine months almost of the day. They have a baby and it's extremely like deformed and it dies right after it's born. Yeah, nobody talks about that. In fact, half his kids died at before 1. Like six of them. I think 5 or 6. Which is interesting, knowing what you know about sacrifice and babies and weird stuff. And I don't even want to, but that's speculation, but whatever. So yeah, that, there's that. And then his brother actually died, which was also the the

dad's first born. I think they were both Faustian bargains on both, and they named the deformed son the brother's name, and he was one of the angels that he supposedly saw. So that's all interesting and fun. These are all sear stones that he supposedly translated the by the Book of Mormon with. He he's shown doing it with a breastplate and a Urum and thumbum, which is like these

really thick glasses. But actually the real truth was he would put his head in a hat and use these sear stones. He didn't like this one as much. He liked the brown one more. There's like a a brownish colored one, but see that one there? But. Either way, he had multiple and so did the neighbor. This was like not that unusual. And especially with his mom being. Think of it too, if she's in the cult of a brag, who's he home with more? Being sick and hurt? He's home with his mom.

Why? They're all out, you know. So he's learning all this stuff from her. I have no doubt that that Lucy Mack Smith and with her quotes. And they can't get rid of it because she made a book. And just like our current, our current president of the church, not mine, I say are still the president of the church. The Mormon Church is a Skull and Bones member. He didn't go to Princeton, but he is a Skull and Bones member and he made a biography and he's a doctor.

And that book is now like $1500 or something because they don't want it out. Yeah. It's It gets, it gets deep. And all of this has to be related, like, I can't be the only one that's, you know, figuring it out. But is it true? Have you heard that? I think at one point he might have put a lien on the church because of, uh, like Egyptian artifacts that he bought. Oh, OK. So he did buy Egyptian artifacts.

This is the Book of Abraham. So the I didn't do the pictures of those, but they're very interesting. And he said he prayed in Revelations, the whole Pearl of great price. So we believe in. The Bible, The Book of Mormon, The Pearl, Great Price and the Doctor and Covenants. Well, the Pearl Doctor and Covenants is like a whole bunch of rules and so is the Pearl of Great Price. They're revelations that he

received by praying. And in the Pearl of Great Price, it's all this stuff about how he was trying to get a revelation for backup or more things that for another book. And lo and behold, somebody came to town selling corpses and Egyptian stuff and all this weird crap. And it used to be in the Book of Mormon when I was little because I was fascinated by it, because, I mean, the whole book is like boring. So you're like 10. Flipping through it, I'm like, ooh, this is creepy looking.

So, you know, you just stare at it And actually what it was, they were death certificates and and like death, like a death ceremony. And it was just an Egyptian death ceremony. They they've proven it now that it was complete bullcrap. And that he just bought this stuff from some vendor, you know, peddling Egyptian artifacts. And he claimed that he found them and that they were the next book.

You know, the next thing I think people were calling as BS because the printer that first printed the book, his family was already known for this treasure hunting and they weren't good at it. And so they had already made a lot of enemies in town. So when all this started going down and Martin Harris. Backed the printing because at first they were like, yeah, we're not doing it. He's poor. We're not going to do it because

money, you know. So when he finally did get a backer, which was Harris, they had to do it. So then the guy that was reading it as he's printing it, he did not like Joseph Smith and he made a satire of it called Oh my Gosh, Something About the Eye of. I'll think of it in a minute. But he made some satire of it, and it is the funniest thing. I mean, just jokes on jokes. He's like, if we can't literally make him stop it, then I'm going to make this satire. And they got pissed.

And then he went and copyright the Book of Mormon because he wouldn't stop it. And it was like all like just funny, you know, like instead of, oh and if I came to town and blah, blah, blah. And he's like, he would just, like, make fun of it. So it was pretty funny, but yeah, do you remember the groups that were involved when he when he got killed? Wasn't one of them called the Grays? So they all, I think what happened was they were Masons to be quite honest.

They all painted their faces and and hid their identity because he had taken the masonry stuff and he had taken it so far and they found out he was going to like. Start letting women in the temple and all this stuff. They were pretty upset that he was changing it and he was making every person that he was involved with in the church a Mason will pretty soon. He had more members than they had in all the rest of the state so I think they were getting

scared is what it was. But they never proved per se who like specifically because they painted their face. But. I I mean, I think. I think they were Masons and that's why he gave the Mason sign. Yeah, I think maybe was. I could be wrong. I think there might have been. Wasn't there like a militia there that was supposed? To Melissa. You were supposed to protect him. And I think, like somehow they didn't. I think. I think the name of them was. Called They were called.

They were called the Grays. And I even thought that was kind of funny considering like what, you know, alien, like, you know, aliens, you know, and there is some sort of kind of like, you know, and I wouldn't say, I guess it is kind of like. I hadn't heard that nickname, but it makes sense because they would put mud on their face and mud dries and kind of turns the Gray, too. Yeah, Crowley and Lamb, which kind of looked like an early depiction of a Gray.

Oh yeah, and he, he flat admits, like he saw many apparitions more than just. Like, what is documented, and nobody knows that. Like, I didn't know that. I didn't know any of this stuff. Like, I didn't know about this stuff. Like, that's why they didn't want us online, you know? And as soon as I started finding out the smallest of things I was, I was out of there like that. That was scary to me.

It had already pushed my exhusband over the limit with the whole don't worry, you don't need to have your son sailed to you because he already is. Because her exhusband and my husband at the time, he was like. And I'm done. Just call my son that loser's son, that I'm raising her children. Like he was so mad. And I was like, oh, and then you

start studying. And yeah, it went one thing into another for me. Like I said, it went really bad for me actually, because my oldest daughter at the time was dating a missionary and he was on his mission and she was going to get married to him, she thought and all this, so. I was playing anti Mormon propaganda and my grandma found out and went and filed C PS:. That I beat my child in her head and neck daily while I was like 5 months pregnant and so a whole

investigation happened. She was like 17 1/2 and they finally told her OK because they didn't buy it. They were like, this is crazy. And so they said, all right, well, if that's the truth then. You won't have a hard time continuing this case, even after your 18th birthday, and we will perjure you. And she just was like, I don't even know what's on that paper. My grandma wrote it. And so, yeah, my grandma did that. Then she sued me for every penny that she'd ever spent on my

children. And then she told my whole family I was a thief. And so nobody talks to me like nobody like, I lost pretty much most of my family except my mom, because she was out already. So yeah, it was rough. It was a rough time. That was a rough time. Wow, they. They really come after you and the church, you know, I mean. She just couldn't have an

apostate for the only one. I was the only one that made it like I was kind of like her extra kid because she took me in at 12. And her other kids, none of them had gone to the temples, so they were all pretty wild and unruly, you know, I mean, like my uncle was a Sundowner. I don't know if you know what that is, but like a Hell's Angel? He was like, at the top of that. So I'm watching Sons of Anarchy and I'm like, this is real.

Yeah, I was like my life. So she was really upset when that happened with me because I was like the good one, like I made it, you know? She had a higher expectations for you. Yeah, whoops. And I still have tons of family I love in, you know, And that's why I say about I'm not doing this to hurt anyone, but like this stuff, come on, like, nobody sees this stuff. Like. This is scary stuff you know this isn't normal. You you've seen things like this

like this isn't normal. You know this is weird like and I just feel like that people should know before they go in because once you're in there it's too late. They keep telling you you can leave like in the middle of the ceremonies. Oh and the ceremonies back to those weird pictures so after you get your name and do the veil stuff. But that what the chanting is

what he asked about this. They used to say pale L and that circle and what it is. And this is important for any listeners that have like any family members, anything. That was Joseph Smith's Mason Apron. I thought that was interesting. Also, the aprons we used to wear before 1960. Satan's apron. Satan gives us that apron in the ceremony. I like how you use the Deseret News, which is more known. And so they give us the creation story and then they're they're

crying out like pale L to this. And pale L means, oh hear me, oh false God. But people started knowing that what it meant. And then because in Hebrew, the way it's written and they changed it to now they just say three times, they raise their hands and say, oh God, here are the words of my mouth. And that's in the ceremony when they're doing it because somebody asked about that, but

they do it over a book of names. So if anybody ever says, oh, oh not can I pray for you, they'll say, can I put your name on the temple list? Say no. That's the list in the middle, the guy holding that book in the center. Is the list of the names of all the people like that are sick or problem or whatever their grandma called in or whatever, whatever. They put your name in there and they do that chanting over the book. So don't say. Yeah, yeah, that's how they help people out, apparently.

You know what? I wanted to ask you too, maybe. You'll ask anything idea about it I guess. Like with their missionary work, I guess I might have something to do with it as well. But like you had mentioned earlier about, I think them kind of like preaching to Native Americans. Yes, Now I know that they also kind of got huge with Hawaii. Recently and Latin America as well. Do you think that's like a way of them of still almost doing the same thing?

But my opinion, I think it's just like grow a cult. I I actually too feel like it's because they're people to you. Is there something with Hawaii that you think? Yeah, I feel like the people that they reach out to the most, like that, they come, they come as a liar. You have to understand these young kids don't. Do you think some young kid at 18 is studying this like I am? No, he didn't. He went and did the stuff and thought just like I did. This is weird.

My grandma said don't worry, it gets better. You'll get used to it. That's it. Literally. So you move on with your life and you do this. It's not like you go once and you're done. No, no, no. Then you do all the genealogy. This is why they're so big into genealogy for all of your family. And they get every name that's ever been born and breathe the breath on this earth. And they put it in the temple records for you to go do that for them. All of them. All the sigil magic, all the

crap. All the marriages, all the baptisms. Everything for dead people. And I know they did Hitler as well, by the way. They got in trouble for it, so and then oh, and they started doing all the Jews. Yeah, that died. Over their faith. And there was a huge problem with that the Jew, the Jews were like, Nope. And they started getting their butt sewed off and they stopped.

So after that that was enough of that like they overstepped boundaries on that one and there was a court intervention to stop that to cease and desist on that. And that is so wrong. They they died for what they believed. You don't do that. But so to your question, the preaching is these kids really go out there and say you can be with your family forever. You can be with your wife for time and all eternity. They want to hit on the people that are super family focused.

And Polynesians are very family focused and so are Latin people. They're very into the whole, like, you know, unit of family and keeping like grandmas and grandpas and extended and all that. And I think they know it. I think that's why they hit with that. Because if their great grandpa died and they miss them a whole bunch, they're like, oh, you'll be with him again and oh, in the celestial, maybe in one of the kingdoms, because there's three.

You don't just have to. They always one up everything. There's not even just one heaven. I heard that Mormonism is really big in Brazil. It is because, again, you're talking to what Latin communities that are very like, they take care of their grandmas, they take care of their grandpas, they take care of, you know. Well then, like with the whole, like not allowing black people into the church for so long, it became problematic because a lot of people in Brazil have mixed

heritage. So then they made the rule, like, if you're of African heritage, yeah, can be part of the church, but a lot of Brazilians probably are not African. They they allow anybody. So now it's like, but that's the problem when you have like a different profit, like all the time and like, right, this just be like, Oh well, I have a revelation. Yeah, that's what they. Do this is OK. That's what That's OK, right? They they didn't do it till

segregation ended. And and then there were a whole bunch of people upset about it. There's a whole thing. There's many. Like, not just one. There are many editions of something called the Journal of Discourses. And that is everything that prophets have ever said that they changed. So like, if they're like, oh, he was wrong, but This is why. But blah blah, but we took it out, blah, blah, blah. Like it's all these things and there's so many of them.

I don't even know how many versions there are now. It'd take you a lifetime to go through them. And they lock all those up. They lock them up and and they try to take him down. They're they're not one of the richest churches for no reason. And they're smart. They're no fool. And then on top of it, with the Masonic hand shakes and Masonic ties, they can get in there with big players in the world. I believe the Mormons are running things right along with the assault.

Yeah, no, I I have said that plenty of times. I mean, they own, like I said, they own like a fifth, I think, of the private property in the United States. I think they own the most orange fields in the United States, in Florida. I mean they're like, you know, like I had mentioned something, I don't know what it is, but I do think that might be something up with Hawaii and I think that

has to do with the cultism. I I'm almost positive that when the the Shriners were coming over from a trip to Hawaii, they came up with the idea of the Order of Quatsico on their boat. Oh, the Mormons and Quatzicodal, They they Yeah, they're. Seeing there's Mormons who actually go to that pyramid and walk it because of Quatzicodal and then still so does the Order of Quatzicodal, which is may sign an inner and inner order of the Shriners or Meeson still, yeah, very, very weird

connections with that. And then you mentioned Brazil, and like Brazil, in my opinion, you know, not saying it's go to bed, depending on how you look at things, is a hotbed of occultism and spiritualism. And it's like you have them going over there and they're, they're probably excuses. Oh, we got to go save them from their horrible right, Save them.

But like I don't buy that. And if they see all this weird stuff, if they are into a tribal or a an occultic type mindset, I think it's easier to bring them in, you know, And then and I I really think it's like an easier transition for somebody because they see, oh, well, they believe in this or they believe in that or they believe that God isn't just the Trinity. Like they believe in separate gods. Oh, what does that mean? You know, like, is this more

acceptable? I feel like it's like more. It's like more accepting. But you have to also remember that they make you feel so loved and so, like, you're everything until you get to a certain level. And they still do that. But then you're so watched. Everything is regimented. Everything is watched. Everything is how are you doing this? How are you doing that? Do your kids go to every activity do? Are you? I mean, there it's something every day, almost of the week.

It's it's like you know young men's meeting, young women's meeting, primary meeting, church on Sunday, relief society meeting for the moms. Don't forget the priesthood

meetings for the dads. Then we have to go and do our visiting teaching which you have to go together with a partner and go do teaching to other people in the church and then you have to go. I mean it's like, it's the it's, it's the most busiest miserable and you're hot because you got got the garments on. So you're like, I don't think I was ever more hot, miserable or sick in my life.

And you're just weighed down and you never feel good enough because they don't want you to. They do everything with guilt, you know, They want you to feel like bad, like, Oh my gosh, I broke down and had a cup of coffee. I'm going straight to hell for that one. Like, not normal things, you know, that's not normal. But hey, enjoy a Coke because we own the company. So. Like, it's like the nicest mafia in the world. It's like they are a mafia.

Smile and then just. Yeah. And have you seen how they speak? Like there's something called General conference that happens a couple times a year and it's when everybody stays home and everybody's to watch the TV, everyone, anyone in the church must watch. It's the prophets going to talk and address, address the members, the either the Quorum of the 70, the Quorum of the 12 or the Prophet. And there's a Godhead on that too. There's three and then there's 12, just like the apostles, and

then there's 70, right. So that's how it is. And you have to go and listen to them talk and speak about whatever they've got on their mind. But everybody's supposed to do it, and they speak like this, and they're so nice and sweet. They're white and delightsome, too. And it's just like the strangest thing. It's so unnatural masculinity. It's not even as a child I was like, what's wrong with him? You know, Like, I mean, you just feel that it's not normal.

Like, even as a kid I was always like, wow, he is weird, you know? And to this day, I don't. I my husband works in a mine and wears work boots. I'm one. I just like guys that are one step above Neanderthal. Like I want nothing. I want nothing to do with the white and delight some sweet and innocent little, you know, it's just too much, I guess. He is super white. He has a redhead. But yeah, my husband and my exhusband, Ginger. I got a got a ginger thing. Something I wanted to ask you.

You mentioned it before only because of I guess time constraints. I don't have much time to go into it too much. But I somebody brought it up in the Chad and it it was something that actually was going through my mind especially when you mentioned that you were Mick Mack. I had somebody come on the occult rejects I think for a two or three port series my boy Thresh. And we covered Native Americans.

And there was a lot of symbolism and stuff that they use that you see crossover right into a cult I. Bet you know, and I'm not going to start with the chicken or the egg, whichever came first, but there is. They are using the same symbols well, and that's why I'm a little bit Mick Mack is because my great, great, great, great. I mean, even in my DNA it's like you're a Mormon settler, like

boom. It's like that generational curse was super fun to work on. But anyway, he was a missionary in Canada trying to convert people and he married a Mick Mack Princess. And so that's why I know that and it did come up on my DNA. It didn't come up as Native American. It came up as Aboriginal Canadian. So it's definitely a true story. I mean it was, I was always kind of like with my mom, she's super

brown. I'm super white and I'm like, sure, mom, you're just trying to figure it out like, but they but they all are. They all are like not super. I would say like you like nice olive skin. They tan, they got nice dark hair. I'm like, I came out and I'm like dirty blonde, green eyes, super white. And they're like, what happened to that one? I'm sure that oh she's white and delights them. No, she can stay.

It's a strange and I have so many other things I could like I sent you a whole bunch of things. But like when you're trying to and you said this in one of your skinwalker episodes, when you're trying to break this down, it could go everywhere. Like it's so much. I could probably do A10 part series on Mormonism if I arranged it correctly and went through each thing. But what? How do you even get there? You know it's so much. It's like.

Just even watching, like, even with those ancestry sites you were talking about, I was using those things and like literally looking at like, lists of ships that came over here with like them just piling, which is I thought was another weird thing. Joseph Smith started it here, but yet we had tons of people from Europe coming over here to join, right? Right. No, I think I honestly. A lot of boats were leaving from Liverpool, coming straight to

New York and and guess what? My other ancestry is almost completely Welsh and English, Scottish and Irish. Like it's like a little bit Scottish, Irish and a ton Welsh and English and and you're right. And it's really an odd I don't believe I know this. I'm a conspiracy theorist. Whatever. I don't believe this story of America is what they say it is

at all, at all. And I won't say the pledge even though I love America and I love my every person in my family served and my brother died and he was in the Navy and like all my uncles, one of them's a Green Beret and he's like airborne and like a big deal. And by the way, he agrees with me and he's done super secret missions. But anyways, I believe in all of the men and people that it's just like the Mormon church, like the cool or good, but the top. Top, it's no way, you know?

And I, my son's the same way. He won't do the pledge. He won't. He's like, I'm not swearing to anything that's not God. Like that's not God. I'm not. And he's right. You know, it's Mason. It's Masonic. And I think there's a lot more that there were people here. I think. I don't think there was. Not not just Native Americans, I think. They've even shown like proof of like is free the Vikings. The Knights Templar like actually like building stuff

here. Prior, if you just going, you know, I don't think they ship the Statue of Liberty here. That's a bullcrap story. How? I thought of that before just going by your the Mormon text, though I think according to them they were here before Christopher Columbus. I think they have ideas that they may have. One group may have went to Mexico and the other to Canada. They didn't. They kind of like meet and you had the knee fights and the other ones and that they're fighting.

They have Lamanites. Yes, the Lamanite. Yeah, Lamanites. But here's the thing that's. Another thing, Lamb. You're getting lamb again. There. The hill, Camorra. There's no way. It was literally in his backyard. They the church owns it. They won't dig it up. They won't show any. They have no relics. I mean, if all this stuff happened and that huge war happened that they talk about, then how come there's no relics? How come we can't prove

anything? How come you know you can do that with the Bible of the Dead Sea Scrolls? You can do that with other things. But he would say things, like about the golden plates. Oh, well, if you set your eyes upon it, then you'll, you'll die or whatever. But there were some people that did and pressed him on it. And then he's like, just kidding. Those aren't really it.

And I'm like, OK, that was super convenient, you know, And I just think that what happened was this Lumens guy that came to town, he was reading Greek to the people there. And the people were like, Oh my gosh, this guy has this magical book. Look it, it's this magical book. And it was like, I can't even remember what Greek book it was. But it's, it wasn't magical. It was just a book. And he was reading in Greek. And so I think he saw him doing

that. And the guy did it for like a year or two and then they ran him out of town. And I think Joseph Smith saw this and went HM. Maybe treasure digging is too hard. I have a bum leg. I'm not doing that. I'm just gonna do this instead. But I do think he encountered a creepy Angel, only because I believe Alistair Crowley's story too, and Scientology and all of it. And I think what he was doing was he was going out because he couldn't get the plates for four years.

I think he was summoning, summoning things. Look at those charts. Look at all the dead people he said he saw. He wasn't, he wasn't a necromancee. I mean, like I said, the cult of Abraxas thing. It makes so much sense that he was a necromancer demon because. Well, it sounds like he was crying when he was even just reading the plates. I mean, it was just like he was crying. That's what he was doing well and it was automatic driving. And he said it. Yeah.

And I'm like, that's such a lie. And and he, I mean he said it was all written originally in Egyptian hieroglyphs, but I don't believe that. I think it was a Nokian alphabet because they said they were all symbols. And then he would translate it later. And So what he would write down after he put his head in the hat and get in the dark and think of what do you think of the hat you see with with magicians and what do they say? Dabra cadabra. Because they make it so.

And that is a magical word and you know it and it comes from the House of a BRAC. And it's just too many coincidences. There's no proof for that other than there is proof that she was in the House of a BRAC because she broke. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, there's something going on with that. Like, you can't. I don't know that you can make that much up. Like everybody says, oh, he made it up. I don't think he made it up. I think there's a lot more to that story.

And same thing with Curly I same thing with Parsons, same thing with Muhammad, same thing with them all. Which is why I want to nail down a John D specialist and have a chat cuz I'm like, hey, there's too much similarities here. This is weird. Well, you know what, I I do think it, you know, it's I think you could easily pull this off like if you were taking an old story or something that's happened before. Or you wanted to, like,

plagiarize this stuff. Like, if these people are buying your shit, they're basically like they're in a time in their life where they're like searching for anything, but it's like they're trying to find this positive. Positive God or this positive entity that's going to change their life. It's not like they're going down the other Rd. where they're like, oh, I want to like, you know, get into some dark, deep shit because I'm business, right? Or whatever.

I'm not looking into a cultism. They're looking for a religion, you know what I'm saying? They want so these people will have no idea about the other shit because they not exposed to it. It's like Christianity on cocaine, that's what it is. Because it's like elevated.

It's like, OK, I can't be an occult person, but this stuff is cool And they still believe in Christ, but kind of, because it's not the same Christ. By the way, the Holy Ghost is different than Christ. That's different than God. And they believe God was a man. But don't worry, because someday you'll get your own planet. And then they retracted that and

I'm like, that's bullshit. I learned that in seminary, Like, they talk to you about Planet Khlob and that you're going to go and make spirit children for all your life. And that's the spirits we bring down. And that's why they push us having so many babies. They're like, oh, you want to bring your baby spirits down from heaven? Because it would. They believe we live in a preexistence. They believe we're alive before creation. And so they have all these stories.

Like, Joseph Smith had an answer for everything. And for that, my friend, I tip my hat and you can use it to put your rock in. Because I'm telling you this, he was one smart cookie. He was no dummy. I mean if and they say that he was super charismatic, I mean he had to been 34 wives. You serious? Like and and even nowadays the way polygamy runs, you can't go marry somebody else's wife, OK, That's not a thing. He was sending men on missions, which is where the missioning

started from. He was sending them out to be missionaries and banging their wives and that's the truth. He was hooking up with them and marrying them. Doing what King David did in the Bible. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Yes. And I'm like, OK, well, you know, you gotta. And they said you could be in a room with him and you would leave. Like all these accounts that people he excommunicated and

treated like crap. They said if you were in a room alone with him, even if you he owed you money anything you would leave the room smiling because he was so charming and I'm like, I bet he was. I bet he was. And they say it was pretty good looking. Although I saw a picture and he remarkably from I'll send it to you looks like Epstein, which is pretty weird. But I'm like they say he only had eleven children with his wife. OK, six of them or five of them

died. He has all these other wives and not one other kid. Bullshit. Bullshit, they say. Oh, no, no, no. He didn't have any other kids. He's banging half of the freaking town. What are you talking about? Nobody else got pregnant but the one lady that got thrown down the stairs. Like, no, I highly doubt that. By the way, she went on to marry Brigham Young. That Lady, it's a it's a twisted web we weave. So much drama. Oh, it. Gets, you know. Really.

You remember? Do you know who Lucy Bigelow was? Steve Figalo, All right. Now she she was like an earlier female name, kind of like in the beginning of Mormonism. But I I was really trying. I was funny something. Wrote a book that was his cousin. Tie her to Bob Bigelow from Skim Walker Ranch. Robert Bigelow. Yeah, I was just like everybody else. Everybody else with that ranch has has been a Mormon except for him. And you got another last name.

That match is a well known man, and I bet he's a Mason if he's not a Mormon. He's definitely, I definitely think he's an occultism because like he even like he offered some like I think it was like $100,000 or something to like the person who could like write the best I guess thing on their opinion on is there life after death and if there is So what is it? And like, just to me, it's like I think he, I think he wanted to find an occultist.

Well, you know why? Because I think the Kabbalah, you know, with Joseph Smith and all the degrees of heaven that I mentioned, it's so similar. I bet you he knows some of this stuff, this guy, you know, I don't know that guy. But I've listened to your series on him and I I definitely believe that This is why I believe it was an Angel. An Angel magic and weird stuff is because they are too into woo woo. There's too much going on.

But the Mormon church, the weird occult stuff, the woo woo stuff, the skinwalker ranch, other things like that, they are too into it. There is something up there and Native American stuff too, to go into that because you know that they they talk to gods. Those are not. They're they're probably fallen angels or demons, most likely. I mean, we know that there's power in that.

And the thing that people skip over, they want to talk all about King James in the Bible, but they sure forgot about the book on demonology that he wrote. And it's just as important because here's the thing, whether if you want to practice it, go ahead. But if you want to be a Christian, you better know your enemy. Because why do football people go study their teams that they're going to go up against the next week or the next week? Yeah, you got to run the plays

and know who you're facing. Period. If you don't know anything, good luck. Good luck to you. Because stuff happens, weird stuff happens, and this world is not explained like they say it is. There's no way, there's no way. I truly believe that there's some weird stuff out there. But that's just me. I mean, I'm sure you and I'm so curious when you look at those sigils, what you think later like if you get time to study and maybe some of them will say

something more on there? I do have someone saying that that we're looking pentagram might have been the, you know, a magus symbol. So I will add, right. I meant to say that before when I saw him. So it's. So I think he definitely had a copy of the Magus. And the church goes back and forth and says he had no way to get it. And I'm like, bullcrap, what about the guy that came when he was like 1314, right about the time he said this all happened?

He had been traveling to Europe. He was a doctor. What are you talking about? He didn't have access. That guy probably had all kinds of access. He was the one reading the to people. Hey, I wish I could remember the book. It's like a really famous Greek one. But he was like, people thought he was magical because of it. They were like, oh look, magical, you know, because he he could understand it, which is weird. I don't know all. Right.

I think we'll wrap it up to actually getting pretty close to the kids coming home. And we've been going on for now, no, no problem at all. I've enjoyed it. You know, I probably could have a lot more to tell you someday if you ever want me back. So.

Yeah, no, like I like I said and you know, you did cover a lot of it. I was very interested in like the actual practices in the church and the, you know, that lot of the ritual stuff cuz you know, I just think it's, you know, it's peppered with occultism that moment it definitely, I think you're 100% right. I'm gonna watch that Gnostic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Check out the beginning of that. They will go through the hands and signs. And I do think you'll see some

commonalities. Very weird. Very weird. That's why. That's wild. And I do think you're right. I think they cross and I think there's too many important Mormons. They're in too many important like positions. I I'm not buying that. It's all just innocent. And there's temples like we when we get if you ever talk to me again or whatever, but or listen to some of the other ones, there's underground tunnel systems. There's somebody was just mentioning that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's stuff.

It's weird. Oh yeah, there was other stuff I could have gotten into. And I was like that's a whole other topic if, yeah, that's why I didn't. I was like if I go there we're going to get way. It's already hard enough to corral like to stay on topic, so. Thank you very much. No, that was great. Thank you so much. Yeah, of course. Thank you for having me. Teresa, thank you very much for jumping on. I didn't get it before. I was gonna have you do it and I

think I just forgot. But you want to plug your show? Go ahead first. Thank you. Yeah. So it was really interesting. Heidi, thank you so much. I thought I knew a lot of, like, Mormon beliefs, but like, man, you know, my favorite wave episode? I'm like. That's crazy. But yeah, thank you. Yeah. So if people want to hear more from me, they can see me on the Spiritual Gangsters podcast with you. And also we have that new awesome live Monday mornings. Definitely check it out.

So fun. We got a really a lot of good feedback on the first one, so. Yeah, we did actually. Yeah, a lot of people enjoyed it, so it was pretty. Cool. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. We're just like, you know? Make fun of the news. Basically. You guys are super busy. I'm like, man, I'm barely keeping up over here. You guys are? Running. We try, but yeah, Thank you so much for having me on. Of course, yeah. Thank you. It's nice to meet you. And Heidi, let everybody know

where they can find your stuff. And I do have her links in the OR I'll add them. I think I added them already. Yeah, I had them prior. They're already out there now, so all right, I'm at the Unfiltered Rise. I'm newer to the world. YouTube. Spotify, Instagram and I think that and tick tock. That's it for right now, cuz that's all I can juggle. I didn't do a Facebook or anything yet. It's too much. I gotta keep up on one thing at A. I mean an accountant I just

shared it with. I don't even go on. Yeah, it's so hard. I'm like. Oh, every once in a while I'll jump on there. And I mean, this is even for people that might be listening live if they haven't, you know, hung up already. On Facebook like a lot of times unfortunately I'll get messages and I won't see it for like 3 months later cuz like I I literally just use Facebook just to stream out to I don't check right? Right. So, but that's probably good, I understand.

It's just, yeah, that is just, it's like, it's really one of the more shittier social media, right? Yeah, I'm surprised you can even put things out sometimes. They're so bad. Oh, I've had them like, remove the audio. Oh, we'll keep up the video, but we're gonna remove the audio. I'm like, what's what's the point? So. Weird. No thanks. You're just saying like. Yeah, we just take it down. Yeah, that's weird. Just destroy it. If you're gonna do that, you've already messed it up.

Come on. That's. Funny. Oh boy. Well, it was a pleasure and I'm really appreciative. Anytime you want to hear more Mormon stuff, let me know. No, no, definitely. I'll definitely have you on for some Mormon stuff. Maybe even some conspiratorial Mormon stuff. And if we ever talk about the FLDS, that's a. Whole see. Yeah. Yeah, there's this.

Is that one at the same time? Yeah, there, there was a different, there was a different one that I was like, oh, if I get into that, that's a whole topic. So yeah, that I would like to have you maybe come on and talk about one day. Yeah. Of course. Awesome. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. And thank you everybody who jumped in on the live in, in the chat. That's what's up. I put it, you know, I was throwing up some of the posts in there.

Thank you, everybody who added to, you know, the guest in and in the chat. That's what's up. That's why I like going live and I'll say it again, if you're checking out the live, check the live chat. There's always great stuff in there, almost like another whole separate show going on sometimes. So yeah, it's pretty cool and I appreciate it. And that's why I go live. And until the next one, everyone be well. All right, later.