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Simon Roche on multiculturalism, war, and exit strategies | Jerm Warfare


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Simon Roche explains the origins and aims of Suidlanders, a civil defence and exit strategy group in South Africa.


He believes the country's current narrative (with help from foreign media) oversimplifies complex issues like race relations and political history.


Suidlanders was created to help its members prepare for emergencies and potential civil unrest by promoting self-reliance and strong community networks.


Simon highlights that in times of crisis, people naturally lean on those closest to them, which he sees as a normal part of human behaviour. He points out flaws in the 'Rainbow Nation' ideal, arguing it failed to bring about real multicultural unity.


Simon stresses the need for factual discussion on sensitive topics and encourages people to build supportive communities as a practical response to uncertain times.


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My name is June. This is June. Warfare, the battle of ideas. I I feel obliged to give long form answers, Jeremy, because the subjects that you and I discuss are very much bigger than people think that they are. I heard some Americans talking about South Africa the other day and the understanding of what's going on here is so simplistic. If I simplified things, I'd leave myself open to a lot of

criticism. So I try to bring the receipts and build the whole case for the audience so they know that I'm not bull dusting. You know, if I talk about farm murders, I talk about farm murders with facts, figures, data and statistics so that nobody can say to me it's not true. You know, they would have to come with a tonne of non existent statistics to even make a case. So yeah, we discussed subjects that sort of invite a comprehensive address.

You know, I've been chatting for many years now, but I don't think, Simon, you've ever actually explained to my UK column audience particularly what Saitlanders is. Many years ago our leader and founder believed that many of the central premises of the New South Africa proposition were false, that it was too much of A dollied up story to be real. And he was trained in in the army, in intelligence, so he is able to interrogate a subject intellectually.

Does this sound true? Does that you know, is this likely? Is it probable? And he arrived at the conclusion that sooner or later South Africa was going to meet with a far more harsh reality then the the the sweetheart Mary Poppins reality of the transition from apartheid through the elections on the 27th of April 1994. First multiracial elections in South Africa, general elections

that were won by the ANC. And he then became familiar with the prophecies of an obscure character to most people, obscure from about 100 and odd years ago. He was born in 1862, died in 1926, so he lived to be 64. And those prophecies are very, very, very reliable. Whether you're an atheist watching this or a Buddhist,

what have you, doesn't matter. Maybe it was sheer luck, but the fact remains that he was extraordinarily accurate and he was involved in the Boer War as a non combatant for religious reasons. He didn't carry a rifle, but he was at the front lines. He felt it was his duty, and many generals attested to the supernatural nature of his prophecies. You know, there weren't predictions. They were supernatural. It's things that he could never possibly have known and which

were enormously improbable. And there's a long list, laundry list 800 and something I believe all told. One of the series of prophecies pertained to the New South Africa. He said, bearing in mind 100 years ago nobody ever believed that any African country should be allowed to rule itself. That was the prevailing wisdom

of all of the developed world. So he said that South Africa of all countries, in other words, the African country with with the highest percentage of European people, would one day be ruled by a black man. One day a black man will sit on the throne of South Africa and he will be deemed a St by the world. And when he died, people will come from all over the world to pay homage to him and he'll be in a glass coffin in Pretoria, etcetera, etcetera.

With that in mind, our leader and founder, his name is Mr Gustav Miller, sought to found an organisation based upon Christian, conservative, Caucasian principles. We're, we're an overtly Christian organisation that if we don't do church services and things like that, that we are overtly Christian. We're a, we're a an emergency plan initiative. We're defined under law as a

civil defence organisation. Our raise on debt, our purpose for existence is to execute a national emergency plan to safeguard the welfare of our members in the event of cataclysmic events in South Africa. So he sought to set up something like that. Not it's not Marshall. It's not about, I don't know, whatever silly things inviting trouble. It's about ordinary families in South Africa that share those

three values. They are Caucasian people, Caucasian values, Caucasian norms, European, if you like, conservative and Christian. And yeah, I think that's the gist of the story. To answer your question and not to be too long winded, that's that's who and what we are and that's how we came to be. Now obviously on hearing that a knee jerk response could be here, but that sounds a bit

racist. Yeah, I'm sure it does sound racist, but it's never racist when no white person can now or ever could buy a property in the Kingdom of Kwazulu or in any of the 9 Corsa sub kingdoms or in Baputatswana or it's not racist when you have the black accountants society. You know, it's just that it's a silly argument. It's a we're over it argument or that's how that's how we see it.

You know, it was, it kind of worked for a time, but then it became patently hypocritical when South Africans were being persuaded by the media and by the rest of the world that they should accept and not resist the New South Africa rainbow nation. Nobody ever said, oh, and by the way, there is going to be reverse racism because there's a lot of catching up to do. They said it's going to be equal. Everybody will have equal opportunity.

Equal, equal, equal, equal. And then you have things like our astonishing black economic empowerment laws which make it, I mean, it's a whole subject on its own. And you have things like a white people aren't allowed an organisation, but black people are. Black people can have, you know, Zulu organisations, you, you name it, this devoted to their tribe, to their village, exclusive of any race, any other tribe.

And we remember we were told what was the slogan in the 1980's, the late 80's, the chief slogan used by the anti apartheid movement was non racialism, non tribalism, non sexism. And now they they are overt organisations that represent certain tribes only. So you know people can say whatever they like really. It's just now patently asinine to make that argument. Yeah, you said reverse racism and a lot of academics and media

types, Pooh, Pooh that. But yeah, anybody can go to racelaw.co dot Zedai. I have it open in front of me. And yes, here's what it says on the front page. South Africa's legal system is one of only a handful around the world that treats legal subjects differently based on their perceived race or skin colour. This has been the case for centuries, but most of the world assumes it comes sorry it came to an end in the 1990s and this is not the case.

Race Law dot Sierra Zeta is a public interest initiative to index all the statuses, regulations, policies and Superior Court judgments that perpetuate racialism as a matter

of law. Listen to this 324 Racial Acts of Parliament have been adopted since 1910, 122 of those Racial Acts of Parliament have been adopted since 1994, and 145 Racial Acts of Parliament are operational today in the year 2026. You see, yeah, it's silly, Jeremy. You know, in Group stuff is vital to everybody, but white people have been bullied out of thinking like that. in Group is fine for me, but not for thee.

And we're just an organisation that says under international law chiefly, but not only the Protocols additional to the Geneva Conventions, provision is made for identifiable ethnic groups to act in a lawful manner in their best interests in anticipation of war. That's that's explicit. Anybody can look that up. Anybody can find the Protocols additional to the Geneva Conventions and read through them. I think Protocol 3 is almost totally irrelevant to such an exercise.

But the early portions of Protocols one and two express this explicitly. So all that our boss, our leader and founder, Mr Gustav Miller did was he said we're going to do a legal, decent, respectable thing. We're not going to injure, we're not going to maim, we're not going to rob, we're not going to rape, of which there is so much in this country. Highest rape statistics in the

world. Six of the top most dangerous cities in the world are South African, four of the top ten, six of the top 20 and four of the top ten. It's we have nothing to be ashamed of. No Saitlander has ever been convicted of a murder or a rape or a whatever with decent, ordinary, plain, respectable people who are under international law simply working to the prejudice of nobody to safeguard the welfare of our people in the event of a cataclysm in this country.

And what's more, it should, it should be noted, I know you know, you're more politically correct. Viewers will struggle with this one. But if you live in a certain society, you understand it far better than this. The experts in the Northern Hemisphere, and as somebody who lives in this society, I know that if there's a cataclysm in this country of 1 description or another, there will be a fracturing on racial along racial lines. And it won't be a purely white

thing. It won't be the whites saying, you know, let's gather together as a tiny minority and beat up all the blacks. We don't have control of the army. We don't have control of the police. We're we're about four and a half million people of an official population of 60 million. That is generally regarded to be around about the 80 million marked by statisticians. You know the story. Every time we have a census in South Africa, some very learned man writes into the newspaper

exposing the stats as silly. Four and a half million of 80 million or 70 million or 60 million. It's the fracturing along racial lines will be driven mostly by black people. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing, because it is what has happened since forever. We live in an age where doctrine is regarded as having greater value than practical reality. I can distort reality with

doctrine. So although I've never menstruated and the glands in my breasts are not sufficiently developed for me to lactate, and though I have no cervix and no womb and no birth canal, those things that I've just been mentioned are the defining characteristics of a woman. And they are determined by a 2X chromosomes.

And although I don't have 2X chromosomes at the root, at the root, at the root of every cell in my body, I am not a woman yet I can say that I am. And so we live in a time when people can say that everybody can get along and it'll be delightful, but very seldom in history as that worked well for any sustained period. There are exceptions, but the

exceptions prove the rule. When you when you point to Rome or Persia as two notable exceptions of places that incorporated the peoples around them in a in an accommodating manner, you stop there. You don't then go on to point out, Oh no, I've heard that the the Aborigines were very, very accepting because nobody has a third example.

It's always Roman Persia. The reality is that I have guessed here, I've had a lot, many, many, many people come to visit me over the past few months to ask advice on the the Satanic timeline for the the ending of the world, which as I described to you sometime back, there's about a seven month window that began last Tuesday, the 17th of of February anyway. And the, the in the occult, I believe that humanity must be

destroyed now. And a key date is the 2nd and 3rd of March. Very, very key. My point being that throughout is history, when cataclysms have occurred, you run first to your mommy and your daddy and your brothers and your sister and your cousins. You run to people of the same church and faith and traditions and culture. It's the way that human beings

are built. You can, you can argue all you like against it, but you know, Jeremy, this is, this becomes an uncomfortable subject, but I'm going to say it. You don't have to be especially bright upon discovering that 88% of our DNA is devoted to our brains to realise that mathematically that means that brains are very very very very much more different than skin and hair and teeth and whatever. When we are threatened, we always will and it will never change. Seek out those who are closest

to us brain wise. Yeah. And everything that flows out of the brain. I'm not talking about whether you can do mental, you know, calculus in your head or something like that, trigonometry without a, a pencil and a piece of paper. I'm talking about everything, everything that flows out of our brains. We have in South Africa Weaver birds. And they, there's a huge variety of them and they all build their nests differently, but according to species, they all build them identically.

It comes from within. It's not an artefact. My culture, my religion, my everything came from within the body corporate of those most like me. And there is some variety between, let's say, Eastern Orthodoxy and, and Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, but for the most part, they're practically identical when viewed from the perspective of a Hindu or an animist. You know, somebody who believes that there's a spirit in a tree or whatever, or an activist, somebody who believes in in

ancestor worship. The divisions between us are enormous, and they come from within. That's how it works in science. They don't talk like modern human beings do in science, they know. In zoology and botany, for example, they know that it comes from within. It's not imposed. My behaviour, my culture, my traditions, my ways. My in ancient Rome, they had an expression that was meant to cover everything. Norms, mores and values. So what are my norms in you're in Rome.

You want to know how to behave? Well, as a norm, we don't walk around naked. Oh, OK, make a note of that. As a norm, we don't pinch other men's wives bottoms. Oh, jolly good. Better watch out for that. As a norm, we have three meals a day and so on. What are our mores? What do we what do we believe is right and what is wrong? I should have used the the illustration of the other man's wife in the in the mores category. And what is right and wrong?

OK, Everybody understands that and values. What do we cherish in the West? We cherish. We have. I'm going to use some examples. People may have have better ones that come to their minds. Perhaps ballet, perhaps art, perhaps the building of cathedrals and churches. So much so that the flying buttresses of Rouen Cathedral and similar similar places have never been replicated. They are the high point in the

pinnacle of architecture. Clearly somebody thought that it was a very good idea to invest the, the then equivalent of trillions of dollars into flying buttresses because it's damn difficult. Those are we cherish that we we cherish the idea of formal education so that everybody has a, an identical basic knowledge of how the world functions and not just throwing the, the baby in the deep end of the swimming pool and watching some sink and some swim.

That's how it works. Really how it works. And those people who doubt me should just be a little bit patient because given what's going on in bond markets and stock markets. And I'll illustrate with one point. Sorry to be so long winded, but if you're not sure, if you watch MSNBC and then you hear me talk and you think, got it. Gee, I wonder who's right? I'll settle the argument once and for all.

In 1929 when the stock market crashed, the crash was prompted by the recognition of a bubble and people there therefore withdrawing the market, their money from the market. The bubble we don't have all the information that we would like to have was an average price to earnings ratio of an American stock of between 12 and 15. As I say, we can't be certain.

So across all of the stocks traded on the stock markets in the United States of America, price to earnings ratio means that it takes a certain amount of time when you get dividends. I invest in Jeremy's company. He says to me, Simon, I promise you I'm going to give you half the profits every year and you'll never regret it. And I discover that those profits are 5000 Rand a year, but I put in a million Rand or £1,000,000 or $1,000,000. It's going to take me how many

years to get my money back? And I start to think cheapest, I'm not going to fall for that again. So people were buying stocks for a certain amount of money. And on average, it took them 12 to 15 years to get the original capital back in the form of the the yearly dividend payment. And they perceived that that was absurd. And so the clever guys got out of the market. Right now the price to earnings ratio across all U.S. stock markets is 26. Let that sink in.

But if you use a more nuanced way of measuring price to earnings, if you, if you extend it a little bit, if you don't just say, well, Jeremy gave me a great payout last year. Golly Gee, this is going to go on forever and ever and ever. If you measure it using the Cape Shiller Index or the Cape Shiller, I'm forgetting the word, then you measure over a 10 year trailing period. So Jeremy says, oh Sam, I promise you this thing is going to work. I've been doing it for 10 years and it's worked.

But I need a cash injection. You're the man for me, man. And I look at the books. If I use the Cape Shiller and I see what profits he's made over 10 years to assess whether he's as good as his word and this endeavour of his is profitable and it's worth me investing in. You will discover using the Cape Shiller that right now the US stock markets are at a price to earnings ratio of 41. And the Tesla, I haven't looked for a few weeks, but I believe it was 44 Fridays ago I looked,

excuse me, and it was 400.01. That means that the level of mental retardation has risen right to the top that I've sincerely believe that it's worth waiting 400 years to get my money back. That's how insane global financial markets are at the moment. So I'm saying to the person who listens to this podcast, you can bet your very bottom dollar that within this year we're going to see a financial cataclysm the likes of which the world has

never seen. Therefore, within this year, you will go are going to be able to assess for yourself whether I am 100% right all of the time. Exceptions aside, they're always exceptions, but the exceptions are so few that they prove the rule. Therefore, for practical intents and purposes, I am 100% right all of the time when I make the proposition that everybody always reverts to type when

reality bites. It's only during periods of excessive wealth and the breaking of the morals of a society, and when the intelligentsia has so much influence over society that they can propose to that society things which are patently nonsensical. So for now, you've got the upper hand. You're living wherever in the world, in San Francisco, and it's too good for words. Let's talk again in seven months time and then you tell me but didn't of direct observation.

What did you see occur when that thing burst, when it all came crumbling down as it's about to do? Because many people don't even live to be 400 years, much less have an adult lifespan of 400 years to collect the the original investment in Tesla back. You are going to see it happen before your very eyes. It's as simple as that. Everybody will be in Group, everybody with no exceptions, in a very short span of time. I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with in Group

preference. Jews have made a great success of in Group preference. I have an in Group preference for my family. I will put my family before other families. Does it mean that I hate other families Simon? No, of course not. Exactly. Yeah, as I say to people, where have you ever heard of a guy paying his next door neighbour children's school fees? There may be some exceptions

here and there. We've all helped unfortunate children, but by and large, these wonderful idealistic concepts exist only as long as it doesn't cost you, as long as it makes you look virtuous, and so on. And it only takes such a marginal amount of your wealth that it scarcely counts. But when it really counts, all of the most politically correct people in all of the world suddenly abandoned these values that's all about them and their family. And they put up a wall between

them and their neighbour. And they try not to look over it. And they hope that their neighbour never looks over either. It's it's nonsense, Jeremy. It astonishes me that anybody can fall for this way of thinking. You know, it's like when you see the immigrants into Britain. How anybody ever thought that was a good idea is beyond me. I will never understand how anybody was that stupid. Yeah. It was only one possible ending.

Yeah. Something that that that that you and I can relate to is of course 1994 in South Africa and what happened in the 80s and how South Africa changed people around the world, unless they lived here, will never really understand. South Africa was established as a trading colony or as a trading post in 1652 for the Dutch East India Company. Move forward a couple of 100 years and those first European settlers have gone into the interior and they've developed various things.

They discovered diamonds and gold and all of a sudden the British Empire takes a very strong interest in South Africa, the largest greatest load of gold ever known to mankind. British Empire comes along, conquers the the indigenous white S Africans. Yeah, the boys and takes over South Africa from the year 19102 if you like ish through 1910, which is a key year on the establishment of the union of South Africa by Great Britain all the way through to 1961.

So in all of that period, South Africa either didn't have a central government or it was ruled by Britain. Britain, let's go of the colony. And we have hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. There were I think 2 worst states. Yes, there were, but there wasn't a central South African state. So so the the people that imposed apartheid, the laws, the central laws is unquestionably it's simply nobody but Great Britain come 1961, that's the

inherited system. Great Britain leaves, we become a independent Republic and for 33 years there was a thing called apartheid and that apartheid was based on the laws imposed by Great Britain largely to do with labour and poll taxes and what have you. Prior to that there wasn't formal separation of races. There was effective separation of races. The white people came along and they said, oh, I've got to teach our kids to read our kids. That's what we do. We, I can my kids read.

Whatever you're doing in your tribe has got nothing whatsoever to do with me. So there was in a practical sense separation, but it was never at all legal until the British said we've got to make this thing formal and we've got to find a way to drive African labour from Kwazulu Natal, one of the provinces, and the Eastern Cape particularly, but not only onto the gold mines, because the British, when they

won the Boer War, took those gold mines for themselves. 7 Jewish families, roughly speaking, which was obviously

the key driver of the war. That entire war was about one thing and one thing only, and that was giving possession because it wasn't advantageous to the British, wasn't advantageous to the black people of South Africa, and wasn't advantageous to the Boers who had set up a Republic, which happened, They didn't know in advance, obviously, to be sitting on the greatest load of gold of history. So the only people who benefited from the Boer War were those

families. No other party participant to it benefited. Come 1994, the first multiracial elections after 33 years of apartheid and the African National Congress wins and all the laws are changed. No separate schools, no separation of schooling by race, but the many black economic empowerment laws were brought in. In other words, you must have a super preponderance of black people working in your company, and there must be a super preponderance of black suppliers

who supply to you. What happened post 94 was very, very strange because it was marketed as the Rainbow Nation. Now that has been a complete failure of multiculturalism. Yeah, you know, it doesn't, It doesn't work. It's like it's like hip hop and rap music in the in the USA. I'm not saying it's it's bad, but clearly black people in the USA, for reasons known best to them, headed off in different musical directions, including jazz and Blues and so on.

And some of it's fantastic. I'm crazy about Blues. It's just that it's resonant to me. But generally speaking, it doesn't come out of my culture. And to them it's the ideal. It has huge following where's you don't get overwhelming numbers of white people sing in the Blues in the cotton fields. You know it's it's not so the the rainbow nation idea was was cute, but I want to Bry with that is to say BBQ with people who speak my language. I'm not against Brying with black people.

Let me give you an example, classic example. Over recent years, they have been tremendous if it's to give land to black people to be farmed, and those efforts have been a terrific failure. But here in the Eastern Cape, there are some exceptions. We recently held an open day that involved horse riding. There were 167 competitors. Not one black person attended. Were we offended? Were we hurt? Or was there a big drama? Did we write secret messages to one another saying look how

racist the blacks are? No, it was, you know, Western mounted games. We kind of knew who wanted to participate in advance. We could have predicted it. If black farmers get together to celebrate a key holiday in their religion, so in in ancestor worship, as they do at key times of the year, the chances of a white farmer arriving are exactly 0. I've never even heard of it.

So the idea that we were all just going to blend in and adopt, you know, you can take 6 eighths of my culture and I'll take 7 thirteenths of yours and it's going to be delightful was always daft. It was never predicated on the instinctive tendencies or inclinations or preferences that come from within us that make Weaver birds almost identical to one another. But the marginal differences between them cause them to build their nests in absolutely

different ways. The most curious way some are entered from underneath. Others are huge big colonies where thousands of birds share one nest, and each bird or each mating pair has its own sort of secret entrance. Tiny, tiny, tiny, minuscule differences in the species

change behaviour completely. And anybody who knows anything about animals, All the farmers watching this, we'll just be sort of sitting there unremarking because it's known to science, it's only not known to the Super intellectualised of modern Western society. Civil war that might or might not arrive in the future. People will align with those who are most like them and that is why St Landers exists.

It exists as an organisation to bring together a particular group of people who might want to find themselves aligning with one another in that unlikely event. It's never worked any other way in all of human history. When things get tough, you revert to type.

You abandon all of the ornaments that have no utilitarian value of your, yourself, whether it be clothes or whatever the case may be scrolling on TikTok. And you, you resort to the things that really count and you do it in the most effective way.

If I have to negotiate with you, Jeremy, let's say you and I were in a, in a, in a life and death situation and we had to we had to find common ground over what prayers we were going to say and to whom we were going to say them, you know, in desperation. So panic stations. Hey, maybe we should call upon the Lord or what book we're going to read for him to, to, to granted, to gain wisdom. It doesn't work that way.

I run to Jeremy because I know that 99 Percent, 99.999% of what we are is absolutely identical language, origin, body strength, muscle explosiveness, IQ, tolerance for heat or cold or whatever the case may be. The the the, the differences between Jeremy and me are so little that it enables me to at once gain an ally and share the burden of risk. OK. So then that also means by extension that it's not just a website or a group. I mean, there is, there's actually a strategy.

Yeah, as I said to you earlier, I've got some guests visiting and we were chatting about something. There's a concept that I've described many times. When I was a youngster, my chief sport was life saving, lifeguarding, same thing, but you can do it as a sport all around the world. And I grew up at a beach that was world famous for at the 1974 World Life saving Championships, the Australians and the Americans refused to participate at that beach. They said it had to be moved.

They said whoever thought that this was a safe beach for bathing needs their head read. People are going to die. This is one of the most dangerous beaches on the world in the world and simultaneously it had the high the record for the greatest number of shark attacks of any beach in the world at that time. So I grew up on a beach as a lifesaver, as a champion lifesaver in very, very dangerous conditions. And sometimes we swim out very far to the shark Nets, which are staggered like this.

There's no other way to make them work. So the idea is that the sharks come in and they're they're with the bathers, but they sense that they're trapped it because to them is it looks like they're trapped. So they swim as fast as they can outward and they get caught. By the gills in the Nets and every Monday the anti shark measures board comes along and pulls up the Nets, pulls out the dead sharks and takes them away. If you swim out to the Nets it's very, very, very, very, very dangerous.

I did it on a number of occasions with my friends and on every occasion some clever Dick, smart Alec would say as he's getting nervous. 15 year old boy, knowing that he's being very reckless, would say I don't have to be the best swimmer here today. I only have to be the second slowest if we see a fin. My point being that to go from this is what I was discussing with my guests. To go from indefensible to defensible is not a matter of getting a Cobra helicopter gunship.

You don't have to have a machine gun to go from being very, very, very vulnerable to exceedingly less vulnerable. You only have to make minimal efforts. And our mentality is that if we provide basics, we don't have a trillion dollars to buy everybody. Let's say we get 100,000 refugees.

So that's 100 million Rand in our money just on sleeping bags, about 1000 Rand, a sleeping bag, whatever that translates to in pounds, we've called it 50 lbs, however many dollars, roughly speaking, just as a rule of thumb, we are never going to be able to conduct our national emergency plan in that manner. So we say we're going to build a house, everybody bring 1 brick and we'll be OK because we won't be perfectly defensible. But the shark goes for the slowest swimmer, it goes for

what's closest to him. The first people in any conflict to suffer are people who don't have groups around them. The the, the, the head, the founder of Shit hits the fan school is Jaeko, famous guru in the world of preppers.

He lived through a year long siege in Bosnia Herzegovina as part of a small group of Croats that was trapped during the breakup of Yugoslavia. So for one year no electricity, no running water, no food and he took what he learned then to the USA and made a lot of money and famously said when I go dark you know that the USA is about to go terminal. He said I will know when it is and he went dark sometime last

year. I was told just went dark, shut down the the website so I was told and can't be found. Anyway, point being that he says he has a fantastic course or used to have, in which he maps what what are the first the first the first the first of the first of the first of the first things. Don't be alone.

The the vulnerability of a of an old lady versus the vulnerability of three heavy smokers is as far as the Easters from the West. It's not that you have to be Jackie Chan and that you have to have a machine gun. As long as you've got 10 people around you who are moderately defensible, the jackals and the hyenas of this world will go for the little old lady every single time. So the idea of Saitlanders is we don't have to have the world's

perfect plan. We just have to gather together as far as possible in one place and endeavour to remove ourselves from the conflict. If other people want civil war, they have welcome to it. We don't, and together we will get by. We just have to to fill in the blanks of the basic tenets of survivability according to real life, in the real world. So we have a national emergency plan to come together to support one another, to to grow crops, to purify water, generate electricity.

Young men provide a, a, a, a border would stabilise a border or protect a border, defend the border. Yeah, that's, that's the long and the shorts of of it, Jeremy. That's what I love about what you just said though, and even if that kind of thing doesn't play out, the process of learning is still very valuable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Very. I, I don't know that I'm going to make it. I believe in the prophecies of Cena for Rainsburg. And he said that in the January, February, March period, he used very specific words, the yellow Peach rains. The yellow Peach rains in South Africa fall between the first week of January, 1st week of March, last week of January, 1st week of March, he said. A cataclysm breaks out in the world.

He said after that, this prophet God to which I alluded to whom I alluded earlier, he said after that in about September or October, again he did it by signs and seasons and the how green the grasses and how cold the winter is. So we know that he was referring to sometime between September and October ish. He said that fire that rages across the world will come to South Africa. I might be one of the people who dies. That's real life in the real world. People died in the English Civil War.

Nobody asked them, you know, How do you feel about this? Sorry, man? In World War One, World War Two, people were incinerated by the Americans wholesale in Vietnam, in in in the Vietnam War in Iraq, the generally accepted figure on both sides of the aisle of the number of innocent civilians that died during the American occupation is 1 million or more, not less. That's real life in the real

world. The real life and the real world that we modern people have been insulated from since forever, providing us the luxury of being able to over indulge in in drinking. And here I point the finger at me, not at you all do overindulge in food, overindulge in smoking and not being healthy. And you know, this and that bad behaviour with women that that we all know what life in the modern world is, has allowed us to do and to pretend that I'm a woman, though I've never once

menstruated, not even once. I could squeeze my chest for a month of Sundays. I wouldn't be able to sustain an infant on it and the rest. But it's completely delusional is my point. But in what the time that we believe is emerging before our very eyes? It's not going to be a case of can I guarantee my survival in such circumstances. Who could get aeroplane comes over and drops, drops a napalm and Vietnamese village.

But if all the villages of Vietnam, or many of them, certain certain villages in Vietnam had spent 20 or 25 years learning and practising and rehearsing and meditating on improving their chances of survival, then there's going to be a, there would have been a disproportionately high survival rate among, let's say, let's say among people, among people of Cambodia. It would have been a disproportionately high survival rate if all of the among people

had been doing that. So we're not guaranteeing anybody anything. It's war for goodness sake, man. What do you think? But we are saying if you make a little bit of effort, you will improve your chances of not suffering grievously should such terrible events transpire. Then if you didn't. And sorry, Jeremy, to hug the microphone. I want to make a brief last comment. I'm very close. I have three sons. And people remark on it all the time. You know, it's cheapest.

I've never seen a father that's so close to his sons. One's 25, one's 23 and one is 16. And we maintain a very, very, very, very close relationship. I, more than anybody else, am terrified that Donald Trump is going to start World War Three on the second of of March, as per this this occultic date, and that my son's lives are going to

be ruined forever. So please, if there's anybody watching this who has the idea that Simon just can't wait to shoot black people, he's just dying for it all to go down in South Africa and for families and children and everybody to die. You've got rocks in your head. I think I felt as if I had to say that because some people really are dumb. I get it, but that's because I'm South African. But you know, something I was thinking about, Simon, is you look at China, right?

It's, it's got a super majority of, of Han people, about over 90%, I think, right? It's it's in many ways monocultural. Yes. And nobody accuses them of being racist for wanting to keep it that way. Yeah, yeah, I watched Lei's real talk. I find it fascinating to to get an insight into into China. And she's she's talking at the moment about the XI Jinping's assassination of these two top generals who were opposing him going to war with Taiwan.

So they were this kind of last obstacle in the, all these dramas going, going on at the moment at the highest levels in, in China. And I've watched so many hours of lay talk about these things that I, I understand exactly what you're saying. You know, I've, I've come to, I've never been to China. I, I had my best, my bestest,

longest friend. I always say to people lives in China and he's married to a Chinese and we, I, we haven't seen each other for about 20 years, but he, he's for sure. I mean, we just keep in touch and I adore him. So I know a little bit about China, but not much. And I've learned a lot from Lay. And one thing is clear, boy, it's my way or the highway. The, the, the, the, let's say the Uyghur people. I don't want to jump on that

Uyghur train. You know, that's not what I'm, I'm trying to do. I'm not trying to, to, to stir trouble. It's just the first ethnic name from China that comes to mind. We are predominant. You play by our rules and that's the end of it. The Uyghurs maintain their religion and I suppose cultural things, and they do things their way. They toe the party line of the established culture that is imposed by the Han people. But nobody accuses one another of being racist or it's you have your way.

I have my way where I call the shots. I will call the shots where you have a preponderance of people, you're doubtless going to build mosques and you're doubtless going to talk a, a dialect that offends me, but which is your dialect and which is precious to you. And you're doubtless going to make your, your women do that thing. And yeah, that's the way it is. I I don't think you're being a racist and I don't feel like I'm

being a racist either. I mean, I'm at the point now where I'm not even endeavouring to proselytise anymore. If the Americans wish to commit cultural suicide and Europe clearly wishes to do so, well, so be it. I'm now at that point where it's just about me and my small group. It's, you know, that I was telling somebody earlier the three best things you can do as a prepper or survivalist by father Three. I'll watch the documentary on YouTube.

The two the 1 is much inferior that one is the other is much superior. The long form. I think it's two hours 43 minutes and documentary on YouTube about the worst year in human history, the year 536 AD and the 19 years after it when all of almost all of mankind

nearly died or did die. Read the book Patriots by James Wesley Rawls and do the now no longer existing shitheads the Fans school.com Jaco course in which he makes it clear you don't have to go into a civil war with mortars and bazookas and what have you. All you have to to begin with, to begin with first steps is have a team around you that's loyal to you. Don't be an individual,

particularly if you're old. Don't be isolated and go to a place that gives you favour because when you and your team are holed up in that, in that space, people will like an animal. He uses the example he says. We've all watched those National Geographic videos in his thick, thick, thick, thick, thick Balkan accent in which we can't understand why the Mountain Lion didn't. It would have killed the dog. Why didn't it go for the dog?

Because the Mountain Lion has to get through winter and it knows that it probably won't if it if it's got a broken leg, the dog has no chance against the Mountain Lion, but it will enter the Mountain Lion. And that's why predators usually go for very much weaker prey. They don't go for prey that is just one echelon beneath them. They go 3 echelons down and and I've lost my train of thought now.

But my point being that that if you just do the basics, if you just observe and recognise the basics of human survival, how people got through the worst year in history, how who survived in Bosnia and Yugoslavia when it broke up and who died. If you just follow the basics of you bit of common sense, yeah, people won't attack your house. Not because you're super duper, duper super, super defensible. It's because you're not the weakest.

A gang of armed marauders who could easily beat you doesn't want to suffer a meat cleaver to the forest, to the forehead. You know, they know they'll win like the Mountain Lion and the dog, but they know that they'll take wounds that they'll regret. So they always go for the for the weakest. And I, I forgot where we started there and I apologise to you, Jeremy, but somehow I thought that was relevant.

I think I've messed it up a bit. I just realised that we went through this entire discussion saying Saitlanders but without explaining what it means. It's an Afrikaans word. I know we've we've had to explain this many times, but you can always explain it again. Yeah, people might translate it as Southerners in, in colloquial English, that's the word that we

would use. But it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a translation that doesn't do justice to the Afrikaans language, particularly certain terms used in the Bible. And therefore the better translation is Southlanders, the people of the Southland. And yeah, we are the the Europeans who occupy the southern tip of Africa. Yeah, I mean the word said Landers, I think just sounds better than saying S the Landers. It's just a nicer. It just flows off the tongue

better. Yes. OK, well, I mean, as we come in for a landing, Simon, I was actually looking for a better, a better metaphor, the landing as we come in for a better. Help me out here with one that's relatable to our conversation as we come in for the. The moral of the story is what? The moral of the story is that people can say and think and believe whatever they like.

Cow legs, walks on 4 legs. Men have certain characteristics, women have other characteristics, and in times of critical danger, people always seek out those with whom they have the most in common. And as we in the Western world begin to explore a general cataclysm, you know, the invasion of Europe, the the, the stock market madness, all of these things as this boil or pimple comes to a an inevitable head which everybody can see happening.

Are you daft if you can't see that what I've just said is going to be proven right over and over and over again and the best thing that people can do is not attempt the impossible. That is to say, don't think, oh gosh, I think there might be a civil war in Britain one day. I need an atomic bomb. If you want to survive, you just need a bunch of mates, a bit of a plan, a destination to head for you. You need to be just a little bit defensible than the next guy.

You can buy lasers that are extremely powerful. 11 got burned. I've got heavy, heavy heavy boots and he switched it on and he immediately burned a hole through the boots. He was trying to prove a point. You can buy torches nowadays that can blind people. Pepper spray. I've been pepper sprayed twice in my life and let me tell you, it's very much worse than you might think. It's completely debilitating. Buy yourself a bow and arrow, buy a a a sling, buy a catapult.

Go to a safe place, have a a plan, get some extra fuel. The moral of the story is that trouble is coming, and whether you like it or not, you're going to find yourself depending upon those who are closest to you, kith and kin. You might as well start now. And don't panic about not having some foolproof plan. You don't need to be the fastest swimmer in the world, and you only need to be not the slowest. And the moment you make that much effort, the moment you do

that much, you already move. Let's say the there are 100 echelons of preparedness. You're in it. You're a male in your 40s and you're fairly healthy. So you would like to believe that you're not in the lowest echelon, you're in echelon #30. To go from 30 to 70 or 80 is the easiest thing in the world. To get to 100, yes, you need a Cobra helicopter gunship and you need nukes and all of that kind of stuff. But to to get yourself out of danger very far removed from the shark is easy peasy.

It's 100 litres of fuel. It's a some pepper spray. It's a location that is a little bit more remote. It's a clean water source, it's some food, and it's 10 buddies, each armed with a catapult. Yes, that's ridiculous against the nuclear bomb, but most people never ever. It's not how wars are fought. In no war in history, as 100% of the people died. It's usually between 10 and 20% of the combatants. So it's a small fraction in order for you, you to elevate yourself out of the most

vulnerable that small fraction. Exceptions aside, some, some of the best prepared people will also die. But generally it's the most vulnerable for you to get from here to here. Easy, easiest thing in the world. Do it. Do it like we're doing it here in South Africa, Saitlanders. And the website is. Saitlanders.org. No. Do you just type saitlanders.org? There you see the spelling SUIDLANDER s.org. That's our English language website. All right, Simon Rush, thank you

for joining me in the trenches. No, Thank you very much for having Saitlan as Jeremy. We always appreciate it.

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