How long has it been? Two years. Less, I think a year and something. You were still working for TNT? Yeah. But that ended in I think 2024, early early 2024. So it's been almost two years, yeah. What's been happening? Oh you, you became a dad. I. Became a dad? Yes, I became a dad. And you, I think that's no, not yet, but soon. No, but what else has been happening? Oh, I know, not a lot. I mean, like what's been happening. I like on my personal, on personal scale, I don't know.
I've, I've been, I've been renovating my house, I'm building a chicken coop, you know, so doing permaculture, literally improving the infrastructure where I live because there is no infrastructure. Do you live in one of the most beautiful places that I've seen? I mean, you are like you're on the edge of the jungle. I'm yeah, literally in the jungle on top of a mountain with views of like 50 kilometers. So it's, it's really beautiful. But there is some infrastructure, as I said.
So we, we struggled with our off grid system. I mean, it worked, but we didn't have to have sufficient batteries, sufficient solar power, idle power. So now I improve the system and so build a chicken coop now and within the chicken coop, actually I built in another unit just for my just for my batteries for my inverters. So now I have approximately 60 kilowatt hours of batteries, which is, which is more than enough to, you know, to make it so I will never have any power outridges.
And it's been on my on my list because they're like digging in cables. You can't imagine the amount of work of digging in cables of like 50 or 100 meters at a specific depth and installing solar panels and the whole electricity system. It was like a huge lots of work. Like literally, I was working on this for a year now and that's yeah, that that kept me busy. Are you still driving that very
unfortunate VW? Yeah, yeah, I'm still driving it, but keeps on breaking somehow because like, it's like 50 years old and yeah, but it gets up the mountain. So yes, that was driving it. And, you know, the pedal that you need to accelerate broke. So I was like, no fucking way it broke. I don't know, just broke. It's still working. But you know, you know, if you have to dig deep, you know, with your foot. But yeah, that's the next thing I have to repair.
Dude, I'm poking fun at you, but I'm sitting without a car. My car's at the mechanic. Yeah, here we go. I'm going to miss yourself. I've got to miss. No, because it's a Mercedes. It's ridiculous. I've got no idea what's going on under the hood. I will say this, I'm never going to buy a Merc again. Ever, ever, ever. Game over. What? Happened to your? What happened to your Ford Ranger? I've never. Had a Ford Ranger. I had a Ford but it wasn't a Ranger.
That was years ago. You told me to buy a Ford Ranger. He's like, it's the best car ever. You need to buy a Ford Ranger. Raptor. Ford. Raptor. Oh Raptor. But isn't it Raptor Ranger isn't Ford Ranger Raptor. It's a Ford Ranger Raptor. Ford Ranger Raptor. What a That's a very clumsy title, but OK, If it's called that, then that's what it is. But a Ford Raptor is an absolutely. Beautiful yes, a Ford Ranger Raptor so. The Raptor Ranger Raptor.
OK yes I still recommend it. I didn't have the a Ranger. I made a big mistake by going down the Merck road. I'll never do it again. It was a complete and utter disaster. So I don't recommend Mercedes to anybody ever. Going to sell the vehicle. And maybe I'll go forward again. I don't know Chinese. I'm very, very interested in Chinese vehicles now. True. Now in Brazil many people have Chinese vehicles. Byd they they now have a truck electric truck. Yeah, so it's one of the fastest
in the world. Yeah, but cost of cost of fortune still. Yeah, and GWM is very good too. Yeah, yeah, it's also very interesting. So I'm like, I'm like driving my Ford Maverick, which is literally like a baby Ranger. I think it's like 10 centimeters lower. I think that's the main difference. But it has more horse powers.
So it's it's very strong. Gets up the mountain, you know, and I'm having my, my folks like Beetle that I'm using here in the jungle to the groceries because it's just fun to it's just fun to drive. Beto is a great, great car. What? What year is it 72? Oh, that is one of the best years. Yeah. It's got the big, it's got the big lights at the back. Yes exactly these. I'm so jealous I pimped it. I made it was a 1300 that put other cylinders and now it's one 1600.
So it's super strong. It gets everywhere. Even if it's raining muddy, it gets everywhere. So it's I put on military car tires. If you know them, it gets to the mud. So yeah, it's it's, it's a great car. So it's not electric. It's just like everything mechanic and it gets everywhere. So I love, I love driving it. It's, it's, you know, it's, it's literally like roller using a roller coaster, sitting on a roller coaster because you feel every stone that's underneath you.
It's it's wild but I I enjoy it. What I love about it also is that it's still, it's still ICE, you know, internal combustion that really annoys the, the, the, the greenies. Yeah, yeah, they, they hate it. Lots of noise. The first gear is like, you know, you know the sound, right, Yes, yeah, it's yeah, it's great. I mean like if the shit it's the fan and some point like all the electric cars don't work anymore or you know, I can get around
and it's quite cheap to be fair. So I use it's one liter of gas line for 12 kilometers in the jungle, right, not on the normal Rd. in the jungle. So if I go up and downhill, so it's it doesn't use a lot. The Maverick uses like double and of course it's bigger. Simon, this is the first time that you are joining me on my UK column show. So for those who who don't really know your your background, let's quickly go back to 2019. What were you doing? In 2019, I was just like working
like everybody. Everybody who is now speaking outdoor, being a voice of reason, has been working. So in 2019, I've been I think I no. No, no. My question is not, not, not. What have you been doing since 2019? What were you doing in 20? 19 You are a. Scientist. Yeah, you are a. Scientist, I'm I'm just thinking I, I think it had been postdoc. I was starting my postdoc in 2019 as a scientist, right?
So I was I was working on system dynamics, understanding complex systems to eventually grow food on Mars. So I was working on that on on system dynamics models, on causal loop relationships regarding the metabolism, regarding agriculture, advanced agriculture systems. So yeah, also I was working on bioreactors, on gut microbiome. So I cover many fields because it's like multidisciplinary, right? If you want to want to grow food somewhere else on another planet, you need to understand
many, many disciplines. So, yeah, So I was, I was just a scientist doing, you know, doing my job like the 9 till 9 till five, job 9 till 4 as a scientist, you know, was working in the office for two or three days per week, was working at home the rest. It's like what they do in the Netherlands already for many years. And it was just like, you know, living my life like everybody was in 2019, like everybody was asleep, half asleep. I was half asleep. To be fair.
It was just like living my life. I was, I was red pilled on many topics, but I was like, OK, that's, that's, you know, part of the story. But I was like, I was just living my life. And then 2020 happened. I was still living my life in 2020, to be fair. So I got a Twitter account on February 2020 because they were saying, oh, there's this Chinese virus. And I was like, I was like, skeptic, right?
But when I want to get the news and I literally woke up on 20th of March 2020 when they when they announced the global pandemic and they said like everybody should stay inside because at that time I was working on actively working on publishing vitamin D papers. So I was like, OK, you know, staying inside and viral infection, you know, or being infected with a pathogen and not being exposed to sunlight.
This doesn't make any sense. So I was like the first thing I was doing literally in April, I was like writing another vitamin D paper on the importance of taking vitamin K2IN conjunction with vitamin D. Just like to tell people like this important. I was telling people, OK, you don't have to worry about a lot if your vitamin D levels are up. Don't be afraid of the sniffles. And unfortunately, people shouldn't have read the paper at the paper.
And that's when it started like the the nasty attacks that I never expected, right? So I never expected any, any attacks from other scientists based on a, a triple period paper. So. But that happened eventually. I remember speaking to you. I can't remember even how we got in contact with each other, but I remember speaking to you. Oh, what does a 2022? No earlier. I don't know.
Somewhere around there you started going through quite a rough time with with the company you you're working for. Remember you were travelling to Europe and back to Brazil. And was it Norway? I can't even. It was. Norway. Yeah, it was the Research Institute, yes. And so I lost my. Job in the Netherlands and then I got a new job in Norway and they they also kicked me out. It was beginning of 2022 when I got my ex account back. That's right. And then you said something
online that they didn't like. Well, they didn't tell me what they didn't like. I mean, like they gave a hint. So I asked COVID people whether they're corrupt. I asked them right? And X was like, hey, are you corrupt? So I took their tweets and showed the tweets to the general public was like, look, look at this tweet. This is like, this doesn't make sense. Are you corrupt? So based on that, they obviously tired me. It was just which is which is wild and the lawsuits until now
and I won the main lawsuit. So I won. I won this part or like the main part is like 90% of this of the lawsuit. There was another one that they stole my document, which they did, but how do you how to approve that they stole electronic documents? So but the main part I won and they still made me pay all the costs for giving a shitstorm to the company. They say like, oh, you have so many followers. This was like, you know, I'm proportional and you pay all the
costs. So they may be pay all the lawyer costs. The other part was around $1000 or something. And I mean, like, imagine you win a case and they said like, OK, we're going to punish you anyways. Like doesn't make any sense. Now it's at the Supreme Court, but you know, it's a, it's a recent institute which is like publicly funded. So literally suit the government and the government who pays The Who, who pays the judges, right? So it's like a difficult case.
And also my lawyer didn't help a lot. She, she missed 2 deadlines and it's like, oh, I missed the deadline. So like what? Because like the whole, you know, my wife's a lawyer. So she, so she helped with the lawsuit and she was always sending her old update stuff and like, hey, don't forget the deadline, forget that she got lost and she forgot the deadline twice. So we think like, this is like
weird, This is super weird. Why would a lawyer, you know, miss the deadline again, like in such an important case? Because I would have won that one for sure. And anyways, yeah, it's, it's a very, very weird situation. We are still trying to make sense of it. Or you can win a lawsuit and still they make you pay such an high amount of money. I mean, like they got the best. I mean, like they could just have paid me. They just said like, oh, sorry, yeah, we, we, we just missed
you. And like you're take three months of celery, etcetera. But they know they didn't, instead of paying me like $10,000 or something, they preferred paying more than $100,000 to lawyers in the case. They, they wouldn't have any chance. So it's a weird, it's like, and also Elon Musk promised to support me. So, you know, because it was, he made this, he made this tweet. So everybody got fired because of being on X. I'm going, we're going to, we're
going to support your lawsuit. So we were in contact with X, right? A lot. So with the lawyer from X with pronouns on her profile. So in an e-mail footer. So like weird, she, her like, and they, they said like, yeah, we're going to support you totally. Your case is totally in. And since then they ghosted me, like totally ghosted. There is no reply, nowhere. So it's yeah, it's super weird.
It's super weird. And we're still trying to make sense of it. And they're, I think it's impossible to make sense of it, but it's, it's a weird situation, right? But I mean, what can we do eventually if, if the Supreme Court is going to say like, hey, we're not going to accept your, you know, you missed a deadline or you missed 2 deadlines. It's not, you know, we need to, I need to sue my own lawyer and it sucks. It's like, it's like, what can I do right when $1000 is a lot?
I don't, I didn't even earn this in a couple of years. So for something I won, you know, in America, I would be a multimillionaire for what happened to me multimillionaire. And but in socialist Norway it's a bit more difficult, obviously. Can you remember some of the stuff that you were saying? Beginning of 2022. Like like for example, if you were to try and figure out what it was that got you fired, what kind of content were you? Were you tweeting?
So beginning of 2022 I was self censoring myself a lot. Literally I had no tweet that was like what I'm saying nowadays. It was very self censored. So the hardest, the harshest stuff. I was asking David Fisman, if you know David Fisman, he's like, he's like some some idiot from from Canada who was saying like, we need, we need vaccine passports, we need forced vaccination. And I was taking his tweets and I was asking like, look, looking back at everything you said in
2021, are you corrupt? So this is the harshest thing I said. And they even accused me of accusing others of corruption. But the question is an accusation. So I think it's that. And my former boss, he was, he was calling me privately and he was like, he's totally on my side. But they get complaints, incoming complaints, literally HR gets incoming complaints every day, hundreds. So there must have been some campaign against me.
So, you know, when, when I got my my ex account back, it was beginning of 2022. Many people were still like, oh, this deadly pandemic. And now Elon Musk is letting was it was 2023. I'm sorry, was beginning of 2023, not 2022. Anyway, they were saying like, OK, he's letting all these people back. You know, how is this possible? And you know, and my, my, my colleagues or other scientists and, and, and doctors and activists who got back as well, they also faced a similar smear
campaign. And so I told him, like, look, I have a significant account on, on XI think it was like 100,000 beginning of January. And people don't like what I say, but it's like my private opinion. And they're like, no, we support you 100%. We support you 100%. And then at at some point he asked for my private calculations, which I was, which I made from a company in the course of ten years. OK, can you, can you send me this Excel file? Won't understand what you're doing.
You're doing great stuff. And then he I was like, oh, of course, because I wasn't, he was, he was always supporting me privately was like, oh, they can do whatever they want. We keep you. And I sent him a file on the next morning and fired me. So he was stealing my file. But I mean, like to prove it, to prove that he's still an electronic file is very difficult. So I didn't manage to do this. I mean, like I sent them everything with a Dropbox changes that this document
exists before. But I mean, like the court didn't understand it or they didn't want to understand it. But anyway, that's what they did. And then I made a tweet about this, right? It was like, because they sent me an e-mail, they said like they fired me for exceeding my, my write of free speech. So how can you exceed your right of first? I mean, I guess very, very difficult to exceed your right of freedom of expression, right? But that's what they wrote.
That's the first letter. And then they, they kind of fired this lawyer, I think, who wrote this letter because it was like so ridiculous, because we, we were able to use this against them, right? Because they later said like, no, he missed a meeting. He missed a meeting. So this was like their, their, their thing afterwards. Like is there anything in a written form that he missed a meeting? No, no, no, no, no. We didn't inform him. I was like, which meeting?
They couldn't even tell me. So they tried to make up stuff. It was like it was so surreal. This, this whole our procedure was super surreal. They tried to first they, they put the lawyers on there and they said like, oh, he cannot sue us. He's living in Brazil now. And it went up to Supreme Court and the Supreme were said, of course they can sue you from Brazil. So they tried everything. And then they said like, oh, we don't even know where he lives. So how can we, if we win, how
can we execute it? And then I had to show the the court that actually my boss visited me here in the jungle so he knows where I live. And it's like they continued doing this for two years until like my lawyer missed the deadlines. And like, this is so weird. Why, why? How can you miss a deadline like this, especially if you're working on this every single day and reminding her of the deadline.
So it's it's like, I don't want to say sabotage, but it's like I have a, my gut feeling says so, but I don't know. I don't have proof because actually I think my lawyer is a great person, right? We get along very well. But this is weird or shit, a personal, I have no clue. But this is super weird. Yeah. Anyway, it's it just sees where we're at, right.
And it doesn't matter if the topic is COVID, if the topic is Israel, you always have these powerful people on top who are going to silence everybody who's saying who's who's like, you know, who's telling their opinion. So. But that is exactly true what you're saying. You know, there's always somebody high up and more powerful. It's just a pity, though, that you a scientist, which by it, by its very nature makes you a critical thinker, or at least it
should. And here you're being told not to think critically and to accept the conventional or the established thought. But that's, that's quite usual in the field of science. So in the course of being a master's student, PhD student, postdoc, twice postdoc, to be fair, it's like they're always try to control it. They'll always tell you what to say, what not to say. So especially during my PhD and, and, and postdoc, it was climate
change. And I was, I was critical towards climate change for I don't know how many years, 10 years, 20 years for always since I understood that CO2 doesn't drive any of that. But I wasn't outspoken, right? Because I mean, like I, I probably had some, some social media. I had my Instagram with like 10 followers. I don't know. So I wasn't a social media person and I wasn't too much into public. So I, I hold public speeches on my, on my, on my topic. And I was like the top scientist
on in my field, right? The top scientist, but still, I mean, like when, when all my colleagues said you can't criticize climate change, I wouldn't go there, you know, and be a rebel and, and, and talk to the 10 people I know. It's like, oh, climate change is not real because I didn't have any audience. So there was there was no point to to be rebellious. Of course, when I wrote scientific papers, I put it in a different way.
So I formulated it and said like, oh, these, these climate change models, you have to take it with a grain of salt, you know, and, and I, I tried to put it in a way that my colleagues would accept it and that you can actually read between the lines and say like, OK, he doesn't really probably there's likelihood that he doesn't believe that stuff.
So this is, this is what I did. But whenever I question things, for example, I had a, my, my PG promoter, he was in the club of Rome and you know, the club of Rome, you know, the sack, they're, they're crazy. And he, we had this modeling class and he was only modeling global warming or climate change based on CO2. And I was asking questions and he was telling me this sentence, this sentence, you shouldn't ask questions. The, the science is settled.
And I heard the sentence again during COVID. And I was like, this sentence was kept was, was in my head. So it's like the, that the club of Rome was orchestrating the sentence. I don't know. He told me the science is settled and he got super mad at me super mad for for asking questions and it was like plants like CO2 and he's like getting super mad. And I was like, wow, this is this is wild. And then later, I mean there was at the University of Iceland.
Then like to the University of wagon in the Netherlands also wrote a paper on here we go. It was like modeling Namibia, right, like some some high tech system in Namibia and also used I had to use climate data. I use IPCC data and at the university where I, where is my postdoc, there was this professor and he was one of the IPCC panelists, one of one of the leading scientists in IPCC. And he always told me you cannot question climate change. It's really, it's a fact, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah. So it's, you know, I was, I was a bit intimidated. That was OK, cool. I'm not, I'm not a scientist and climate change directly. So I mean, like, they, they can, they can, they can say whatever they want to, you know, I just ignore this topic. But you know, whenever I open my mouth, it got like people got mad and you get into trouble. So they're being a free thinker
is not really encouraged. So as a scientist seem to, you need to be submissive, otherwise you don't make career, you don't make it to the top. And the, the next issue is literally, if you're, if you're a professor, you know, you, you if you, if you're a professor at the university, you know, this guy has been submitted. He has not been a critical thinker. So literally everybody who makes to the top and who's teaching your children is one of these
submitted submissive people. So this is how, how the, how the whole scientific system as is set up. So you don't learn how to think critically anymore. I kind of came to the conclusion during COVID that the people who you should put more trust in are not the scientists, are not the ones who have skill sets within particular fields, it's the ones who are outside of those fields. Yeah, it's, it's like, it's like
a cult, the cultists. So they're manipulated, let's say not, let's not say manipulated. There was a huge influence probably of other scientists on them, you know, during their studies. So they learned what they were told was the truth. Just like in the Middle Ages, people were like, OK, the earth is flat, you know, and there's this, there's this guy above and then the hell below. And everybody believed it, unless the. Earth is the Earth is round. Exactly. And they would execute you for
that. So I think it's the same for virology. And I think there are, there are pathogens. I mean, like, but the question is, you know, I told you my, my dog died of cinemosies and he got the vaccine, by the way, because it's, it's, you know, and we got it, got the vaccine. It's like. I remember you messaged me a few weeks ago. Yeah, and he died within five days. He was super, super. He was super healthy. And then at some point he just died within days.
And this is like, it's a virus. And my wife now is like, oh, we need to vaccinate everything. It would have proved I was like, he got the vaccine. Oh, he didn't get the second dose. I'm like, come on, please. No, no. And yeah, but the question is still what's causing this, right? So of course, she tested our other two dogs, and one also got synomosis, at least antibodies, and didn't get sick, though. And the other one didn't have anything. She's like, look, look, he transmitted this.
And I'm like, OK, I don't believe in all this, but I mean, there's something that's causing the disease and the root cause. I think that's the important thing to discover, right? I don't know what the root cause. Maybe there are viruses, maybe you know, maybe they're not. Maybe there are other pathogens that 'cause this phenomenon, but
it's not very clear. Even virologists cannot make all of it. They cannot explain to you why, for example, the transmission of viruses works in some cases and, and in most of the cases it doesn't. So there are studies like to transmit a flu and it just, it just like, you know, insignificant. So how does all of this work? And they cannot tell us. They cannot give us a, an, a clear answer.
So to me, there are many questions and doesn't mean that there's like a viruses don't exist, but I'm very cautious here. I mean, we know that bacteria exists and they're they're all very well studied and there is very strong empirical evidence. But on viruses, is it maybe like a waste product or is the cause as the effect? And, and there are many questions that even viral just cannot, cannot, cannot answer. So I'm very cautious here.
But still the fact that people are like, you know, people with dogs, I die with the synomosis. There is something, you know, and I would like to understand what it is. If it's a virus, OK, fair enough. But why can't we do anything against it? It's the. Same with Povo. Yeah, yeah, it's the same with Povo. I mean, nobody really knows what causes it, but it always happens to puppies and and it tends, it tends to be within unvaccinated
puppies. Now, I'm not in any way suggesting anything positive about vaccines, and I'm not suggesting that it's caused by viruses, but it does seem to appear that way. No, I tried to find them. I tried to find them to understand and there was, there was actually no data available. There was no data available. And so of course, what can I say? I mean, like the next dog, we get it whenever, you know, maybe we're going to get another Dalmatian.
My wife's going to let him double, triple, triple vaccine. I don't care. Let's say it's a dog, right? I mean, I love dogs, but it's not like my child, you know, so. I've actually. I don't care much. Yeah, So I've asked this pover question to number of no virus folks like the Baileys and Tom Cowan and many others and not one of them is able to answer. I've looked online, it is it's it's impossible to find any daughter. Yeah, we found in our dog. Of course we did.
We did all the, from all the tests and he had like he had a dysbiosis, he had really awful bacteria in his gut. So this could have been the reason or maybe maybe the root 'cause you know, maybe it's root cause that cause like, you know, cascade of other, other issues. And he didn't only have Symos, he had like two or three diseases and he was like 1 year old, super healthy. But I mean, like there must have been a root cause. I think the same accounts for us. So people can of course focus
like during COVID. It's like, oh, he died of COVID. But if you check the the actual cause of death, it was hardly ever COVID, right? Maybe 1% and at the sniffles. And so most of most people die because of other, other root causes. And I think, you know, medicine has to go that way to see like a what is causing this? You know, what are you eating? Are you exposed to mold? How much, you know, how much do you sleep? What's it, what are your cultural levels?
You know, are you, what do your hormones and hormones look like? So there's, there are so many factors that actually determine whether you're healthy or not. And then, and then these people say like, oh, let's, let's look at some alleged virus. You know, we didn't isolate yet. It's from China. You know, there are so many variants, but like, this is this
is causing everything. And meanwhile, you know, I don't know how many, how many millions or 10s of millions of people have been driven to alcoholism because of because of their pandemic. And that killed way more than this alleged virus. And they never talk about that in the Netherlands. This is like, oh, you should, you should order food. You shouldn't, you shouldn't go to the supermarket, you should order food. And you know, and ordering food is literally pizza, burgers,
etcetera. Like I like I'm high in Omega 6 fatty acids that are inflammatory. So that actually make you sick that that that actually are root cause of many Western diseases. And that's what they told us like don't go to the gym, don't work out, you know, don't go to the sun, like eat, eat, eat junk food, right? And you know, and get. A shot in the arm. Sick and get a shot in the arm? Yes, in order to prevent a disease. I've just remembered how we got
in contact. You were some random dude on the Internet calling out Drosten for his PCR protocol. Remember that? That's how that's how we got in contact. Yeah, I I was this random dude with 10 followers. Yes. Yeah, but you were the only person in the world who had this particular information, or at least nobody else was publicizing it. On the, not on the paper itself.
So there has been a whole consortium of like 10 scientists who were looking into the, into the paper and, you know, people who are, who are geneticists, etcetera. But I'm not, you know, I looked into the period process because I'm one of the few people who was an editor of a Springer Nature journal and who knew the whole period process of a scientific paper. And I was showing the whole process because I had access to the back end.
So I was taking screenshots. This is how it how it works. How many editors in the world could speak out against this stuff? They're just like a handful. Like they're not many, right? Maybe I know how many editors existed on this platform and maybe 2 or 300, I don't know. So it's very low number. So I spoke out and it was I was analyzing at first, the analysis took like a week of deep research. And then I was taking of course screenshots from the back end explaining how pure process
works. And then I was able to show that he committed fraud. And you know, my, my thread or my, my, my post wasn't, wasn't attacking. It was like very rational because it was, OK, I'm a scientist. I need to be factual, right? And I wasn't even accusing people of corruption, etcetera. I was just like putting the information out there. And yeah, I think this is this is how how we met. This is How I Met most of the people, to be fair.
So just quickly give me the summary of what happened with Justin. I can tell you what he did in general and the little part he was exposed, I was exposing. So he knew about COVID way before the first case in China appeared, which is weird. We have the evidence.
So he was working on the PCR test, like in creating the PCR test for COVID most likely since beginning of December 2019, which is weird because the first Chinese case was when around the 20th of December. We know this because there is a lab in Slovenia who published about the PCR test in the very beginning of January, I think the first or second or third of January. And they said that they received the tests before Christmas and they have been extensively
before Christmas extensively testing it. And I was like, how can you extensively test something if you receive a test before the first case appeared? So this was like super odd. It didn't make any sense and and Drawston was on it, right. And then Drawston said in the beginning of January, even like though masks don't work, you cannot PCR test don't work, you cannot test people. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't show if someone is infected or
not. And suddenly in, in in March, he said the opposite for everything he said before. And in February, he published this PCR protocol paper. But he didn't he submit it to The Who and they published it within like 24 hours. No, he submitted to his own journal. There is a, there is a journal, it's called Your Servians and Christian Drosten is on its editorial board. So he's admitted this paper to his literally own journal and publish it within 24 hours, less
than 24 hours. OK, right, there we go. So, and we asked for the preview reports, right? So every previewer has to make a report. It's anonymous. And it's like we can't do it because it would violate, you know, the them being anonymous. So it didn't make any sense. They didn't want to show any report and they were hiding everything.
And they were and the co-author, Marlene Copeland's, the state virologist from the Netherlands. So Drosten is the was the was the state virologist from Germany and Marlene Copeland's from the Netherlands, Right. She was on The Who committee that made this PCR. Protocol gold standard that one day after this publication are published so they they rushed the publication that there was up here reposes. There was none. It's impossible.
They just like published it and like to make it gold standard the next day and and Kristen Rustin's friend or fat land. He probably made millions, 10s of millions with with this test because he was the one producing it and it's his personal friend. Super odd. I want to know how much money he received etcetera. But I mean, like, they're, they're still like German Congress. I mean, there's, it's not Congress, but you know, they're, they're still these in Germans cult into songs, all shows.
So they're, they're asking people about the pandemic, for example, they invite him and, and people from the parliament. They can, you know, they can, they can ask him like questions about, about, about COVID and his role. And he's, he's still defending stuff and he's still bending reality. So he's lying the whole time. He's for example, he said like, oh, we should close all the schools. And then he's sitting there. It's like, I never said that. I never said that.
But they're, they're like many audios videos. Everything is available and he's sitting there. No, I never said that. And he gets away with it and he does it on every single topic. On every single topic. He still attacks us for, for speaking out against, against all, all what happened and nothing is happening to him. He should be like in in any work in democracy, he would be in jail forever, literally forever, like, you know, lifelong. But no, he's walking free. He's walking free.
He is still getting invited to stuff. He's still doing this his job. And he is the person who made COVID available or like possible because without, without the PCR test, right, that would never have been a pandemic. And he, it wasn't only the PCR test he was causing. He was also the first doctor. And he's a doctor, right? Like, I'm not, I'm not a medical doctor.
He's in a medical doctor. But he had a he had a patient from China, the first patient ever, she was flying to Munich, who was, who was kind of who was healthy and had the virus. So he was showing, OK, look, there's there's this you can be infected without being sick. So he was he was making putting this out there as well. So imagine the same person. What is the what are the odds that he was creating the piece of artist before the pandemic happened?
And then that you said like, OK, you know, you can transmission of a virus is possible of this virus as possible without being, you know, without having any symptoms. So that's, that's how he justified the tests, right? So the whole world got tested because he said like, OK, you can be infected and not knowing this and you have to use our PCR test. So that's why the world got mass tested. And we know it ran on the cycle threshold of 45 or something, false positives of more than
90%. So it was a it was a fake pandemic and he gets away with this and that's scary. Even Carrie Malice, who invented PCR. Warned was warning everybody about this. Yeah, Yeah. You warned. Josten was against it until January 20, 2020. He was against it. It's like you cannot do this. It's like it doesn't make any sense. But. And then in like, you know, it just shows the corruption. But I mean, like, is it a crime? What? I mean, like that part.
I mean like that he says like, oh, I believe this until January, but afterwards only more. It's unfortunately not a crime. I mean, like it's should be it should be a crime because it was gaslighting the general public into take into testing into vaccination. And like, I think he's the root 'cause I have to say I think otherwise you can sue me. I think he's root cause by ten 10s of millions of dead people. This man a German again. Oh, wait, sorry, German again. The other one was Austrian.
But any anyways, you know, it's, it's again from from there. It's scary. You know, there are so many reasons why there was no pandemic. PCR is one of them. Another is that there's just no evidence of this novel disease. It's always. Worse asymptomatic transmission would that before asymptomatic transmission is another one. So combine all of them and you have a fake pandemic and then you then you say then you run a
media campaign. So you have to, you have to imagine, you know, they said like, oh, the virus is out here, OK. Everybody was like, OK, all right, all right. And we didn't see any excess mortality. We saw excess mortality in April, May 2020 after they're in this media campaign, after they, you know, the fear campaign, you know what, what's fear causing in all people? The quarter level gets up. It's it becomes chronic and people, all people, all three
people die. So that's why we saw the spike in in April and May 2020. But afterwards it went down. Of course, there's also seasonality, et cetera, but people were locked inside. So the seasonality didn't, I think it didn't have a lot of impact here. But still we just saw this one spike of of excess mortality. And the second spike came after the vaccination campaign.
So after they injected everybody, but between the initial spike that that killed people because of of the fear campaign and the vaccination campaign, there was no excess mortality. If there were the dead epidemic, you would see a constant excess mortality of like 10, twenty, 30%. But we saw a -1 worldwide. So there wasn't that epidemic, right? And just looking at the data shows this and but still this man, everybody's talking about Fauci, but Christian Trosten is
the real villain here. I do remember there was an attempt by about what, 20 or so scientists who who published that that, well, they attempted to publish that counter review paper. Remember that the retraction surveillance, yeah, the retraction and it was rejected. And almost all of them lost their careers. It's, it's, it's, it's crazy. It's that crazy. And, and you know, every point they were mentioning in their, in their paper was correct. They couldn't contact, they
couldn't say like it's wrong. So they did. Yeah, they did character assassination. That's the same they do now with Israel. So it's the same, the same playbook. You know, if someone says something they don't like, they just they just destroy your life And this haven't drunk COVID. Yeah, no again. Yeah. So you just mentioned Israel. So you've been speaking a bit about Zionism lately. And at the beginning of our conversation you said that you've had quite a few red pulls
over the last few years. What are some of those red pulls? I don't know if I can say any of this or do I get to jail? Do I get to jail in Europe? I don't know. But I don't believe anything anymore that's put like this. I, you know, I have to tell. I've been extremely pro Jewish and extremely pro Israel thought my whole life, right. I mean, I, my, my dad was
repelling me a bit. He was showing me documentaries of, of how Israeli settlers were like, you know, destroying whales of, of Palestinians. So I was like, OK, these are just the settlers. The rest is OK. This was my, my view until during my PhD, we, we had a, we had, we had like a recess consortium. And one of them was like the University of the Negev, like a, a Hebrew Israeli university. And, and the researchers of, of that university, they were very religious.
So they were always wearing the little hat and they wouldn't eat with us because we would be, we wouldn't be kosher and like weird stuff. And then at some point they were like justifying killing locals and justifying the settlements. And that's when I was like, what the fuck? So we were all freaking out. They were like, just talk, just just saying publicly, yeah, these are animals that need to
be killed and stuff like this. And we were like, whoa, this when I when I was like kind of waking up. So maybe, you know, maybe my, my, my, my view on on Zionists wasn't, wasn't that correct? And on Judaism as well, so I'm not a friend of Judaism, but I mean, like, they're they're good Jews out there, right? That they don't believe every word in the Talmud. And I consider the Talmud a disgusting book. But anyways, there's still good people out there. And I don't want to, I don't
want to generalize people. But there's after, you know, Hamas attack and Hamas attacked Israel, but but the whole story is Israel attacked them first Nakba 1948 and also Israel finance Hamas just to divide the Palestinians. And the third fact is literally Israel knew about the attack before because Egypt want them, but Israel let them attack so they could eventually commit genocide. And there was a there was also an IDF stand down for a few hours. Just coincidentally, yeah.
Just like coincidentally, yeah. It's just like during September 11th, there was the stand down. It's always coincidentally and. And anyways, and you know, I don't like Islamic extremism. I don't like Islamism. I think it's, I think it's disgusting and it's it, it shouldn't have any place in the Western world. I'm against, I'm, I'm in favor of sending all extremists back home from Europe, send them back
to their own original countries. But Zionism is a totally different level of evil in, in my opinion.
And you know, what I had expected is that, you know, Jewish voices, like 50% of the Jewish voice would say like, hey, or like many Jewish people would say like, OK, this attack from us is disgusting, but look, like this is what we're doing to them, you know, And, you know, killing 3040 thousand children is wrong calling like there's this American congressman, Randy Fine, who's who twice said that we should, that they should, that the US or Israel should nuke the civilians.
And I don't like, you know, and hardly any Jew is literally speaking out against this, you know, imagine, imagine the famous Muslim congressman. I know there, there are some in the US at least as saying like, hey, we should nuke all Israelis. And they also like, oh, why doesn't, why don't Muslims condemn this? You know, and I tell you, many Muslims would condemn this.
But how many Zionist and Jews condemned Randy Fine, maybe 1-2 Dave Smith. And he's not, he's like, not super Jewish, but it's, it's, it's just a few, it's a handful. I get, I get PMS from Jewish people. It's like, thank you for doing what you're doing right. But they don't dare to say publicly. So but anyways, it's these these voices, these Jewish voices that are available everywhere, right, that are in the White House that are like Ben Shapiro, Mark Levine.
It's really super scary what they've been saying the last two years. So they speak and I hear the devil speak and what they're saying doesn't make any sense. Just like full of hate and Jewish supremacy. So I was in the beginning, I was quiet about this conflict because I was like, OK, you have like, you know, Hamas that I totally dislike. And then you have the Zionist that is like, let them, do you know, let them fight, right?
Keep the civilian out, civilians out of it, you know, get the hostages and prisoners of wars out. By the way, you know, the Israelis call someone hostage who has been kidnapped from a tank. You know, it's the, they're the only country in the world that manages to call prisoners of war. If you kidnap a soldier from a tank, right, an active soldier from a tank, it's a prisoner of war.
And they call them hostages. And you know, and meanwhile there are still 1500 Palestinian hostages and the Knesset, I think yesterday was trying to pass a law to execute all of them. Imagine like this, the other way around. They would nuke that place. But why can Zionists do whatever they want and they get away with this? And if you are critical to anti Zionism and you're anti Zionist, they call you a Jew hater. I'm like, OK, if this makes me a Jew hater, I'm a, I'm a proud
Jew hater, right? Because I'm like, if I'm against injustice and this makes me a Jew hater or this gives me the label, I, I, I proudly wear the label that makes it anti Semite. And it makes you a person, a persona non grata. So that's what I am. So I mean, like you invite them to your show. Nobody else does, believe me. So I have another one today. But that's like with a, with a
Muslim person. So they they they like to talk to me to they say irrational, irrational voice who, who sees the problem on both sides, which I do. But of course I I see the problem on one side much more right now because I woke up. But anyways, I'm, I'm not, I'm not like pro the other side, right? I'm against everything. It's like literally I'm hating everything but nobody else would would like talk to me.
I you know, it's because, you know, people are it's just like with American football or soccer or like the real football, by the way, don't call it soccer. You know, people choose teams when you watch a match, you know, people are like, oh, there is like Chelsea on versus Arsenal and both both can suck my Dick. I don't care. You know, there's a big owner behind it and that owner is like literally, you know, using using the sports in order to get you know, but anyways, people are cheering.
They're like, oh, I'm for Arsenal, I'm for Chelsea. And you could ask a whole room of what are people? And maybe one or two say like, I don't care. And it's the same here as as well. It's like they expect you to take sides, but I don't take sides, right? I mean, like, I prefer a side over the other side after what I observed, right? But in the beginning of the conflict, I was like, oh, I don't care. Then I see what's happening and like, OK, wow, this one side is really fucked up.
And then I say, this is really fucked up. And I see like, look, all the politicians and especially in the United States and also in Europe, look, look what they're saying. It's disgusting. They're justifying, they're justifying genocides like nothing's happening there. Israel is the most immoral army in the world. You know, and there are videos out there of them doing the worst things. And then they actually accuse Palestinians. Oh, you've, you've like beheaded 12 babies.
You put them into ovens. There's no single evidence it it was a lie. So, you know, if a, if a war starts and is based on many lies handball directive, we can start there. We can, we can, we can start with like the, that the Israeli army was like holding back. And you know, we can continue with, with these beheaded babies and the burn babies and with the fake pictures of all the blood in the keyboard scene that was that was paint. So it was all mainly based on lies.
So why would I trust these people who tend to lie? I mean, like, it's not just like they lie there. They're lying throughout the last two or three years. And that has been a stereotype in Europe in the last hundreds of years. And I, you know, I was like, what when I was a, you know, a youngster, I was like, why do they do this to these people? Why, why did Martin Luther, you know, write this book about the Jews and the lies? It's like, you know, and then I'm watching what's happening
right now. It just like lies, lies, lies. And then I'm like, OK, maybe they, I mean, like I read the book. I was going through the book. It was it's in German, right? I can understand. I would like, OK, sometimes it's like he was, he was a bit hardcore at one point, right? But I mean, like, anyways, there's still a the core is still there's just some truth in what he was saying. So the question is, why are they lying about this? Why can't they be honest about
this, right? I mean, like they're obviously the only democracy in the Middle East. They're the most moral army. They're God's chosen people. Why did they lie all the time? So this opened my eyes a bit and, you know, and then I see yesterday Ben Shapiro talking or like, what the fuck, you know, you freak, you freak out. Yeah, he's all spat now with Tucker. Yeah, they they all are. Laura Loomer, Mark Levine, Ben Shapiro, all of them. All of them are anti Tucker.
All of them. There's the whole American. Establishment now is going off to Tucker. The Zionist and Jewish establishment. Christians on yes, but I mean it, it, it drives. American politics, yeah, of course it does, because APEC is controlling American politics. Literally everybody in Congress, 2/3 of punkers are, are are Israel controlled, right. So of course they get, they get, they get, they get wild.
But like that all these, you know, these Ben Shapiros, these these Barsal presidents, you know, there's so many players, there's so many powerful Zionist Jews in America and they all go after Tucker. And what did what did you do? He interviewed Nick Queens. I don't like Nick Queens at all. I think what he is saying is sometimes close to disgusting. He is. He says like we need a Christian theocratry in in in the United States. He says disgusting things about women.
And I mean, like, I'm an anti, I'm an anti feminist. But like what he's saying is like a different level, right? And I wasn't a group chat with him. I've never, I've never interacted with such a narcissist person. So we were, we were discussing stuff and he was making arguments. I was making arguments others working with. He was like, who are you even? You're like an unimportant person. Shut up stuff like this. And it was like, wow, this is, this is wild.
I was like, you know what I did during COVID exposed. He's like, I don't fucking care. You're a nobody. I'm like, wow, this guy has problems, right? So, yeah. And when I asked him about his relationship to Ellie Alexander, who's a groomer, who is a pedophile, and they're good friends, right? Yeah. He blocked me. But OK, he can do whatever he want. And I think that Tucker Carlson interviewed him as good. I mean, like, you should, you should talk to everybody.
You should even talk to Nick Fuentes. It's fine, you know? And I totally defend the right of Nick Fuentes to to to not be cancelled to to to freaks. Bailey now speak freely. So he should be allowed to do so, right? I mean, like we all have this right of freedom of expression. He is as well. And he shouldn't be cancelled for having different opinion. It's not my opinion, but I totally support his right of having an opinion. And Tucker calls and talk to him. And yeah, he should have been
more more critical now and then. But I mean, like, it's it's Tucker can also make his own decisions, how critical he is and what he's what he's asking or not, right? I mean, like, if you look at CNN and other media, they're way more propaganda than than a, than an interview of Tucker Carlson with Nick friends of Vladimir Putin or, or I know who. So they're not cancelling, trying to cancel. Let me talk to you. Because he talked to someone they don't like.
That's that's, that's super insane. And they're all doing this together. They're all doing this together. It's not like there's one of these voices of these of these Jewish Zionist voices, like, hey, guys, calm down, calm down a bit. No, they're all in it, all of them. I don't see any exception. So that's the crazy thing. So I'm wondering why, I mean, maybe you have an idea why, why is it is it a cult is like, you know, Scientology, if you if you speak out against it, you're out.
What is it? I, I I have no answer to this. Yeah, it's, it's something that I also wonder it's that. It's kind of like the climate change thing in many ways. People buy into it. It's indoctrination, propaganda. But I think there's something deeper with the whole Zionist thing. I think it it, it comes down to basically a Sunday school belief in the chosen people, the chosen land. That's why you have like 70 million Americans, you know, who blindly stand with Israel.
I mean, I've been asking this question for about a year and a half now to various Christians who, you know, state that they stand with Israel. And so my question is along the lines of, well, are you a Jew? No. Are you an Israeli citizen? No. OK, So then why do you stand with Israel? And they don't want to say it's because they were taught that it's the chosen people or chosen land. They don't want to say it. So they make all sorts of other
excuses or they just get angry. And I think it comes down to that sort of deep rooted indoctrination. That's what I think. But I mean, like, if you're a Christian, right? I'm an agnostic Christian. So it's, it's weird actually. I live by Christian values. So you so basically you're not sure if you're a Christian?
People attack me with this, but I I live by Christian values and I think there's God, but I don't think that the Bible is the word of God. So many people hate me for that, But I mean, like there's, I mean like the, the, the, the Bunny isn't a ruminant, right? I mean, like there's so many things in the Bible that are contradictory to each other. So if it was the word of God would be more consistent. So that's just my private opinion, but I get along with
Christians very well. I love Christian values and all of this. So I pretty much aligned with Christianity. I mean, I'm, I'm a Roman Catholic, don't like the Pope, but I mean, like, you know, I'm, I'm a critical, I'm a critical thinker. So it's, it's very difficult to be a super critical thinker and go 100% in line and say, like, I believe everything this book
says. Anyways, what I didn't understand is why Christian Zionists can even believe that they're got chosen people, which in country would mean that Christians are not got chosen people. So you would actually kind of define yourself as a subhuman, right, because there are like the God chosen people and then we are below this. So this is like, you know, this is something that doesn't make any sense to me and that's why I
oppose that. They even call them that means they call themselves God chosen people. Ben Shapiro said we are God chosen people. Mark Levine says it. Randy finds that they all say it. It's like we are God chosen people. Who are you? It's going to be nonsense. It's totally nonsense. Why should God chose these people? These right that that they're the only religion that are trying to trick God every single day where there is. You know, it's not even biblical, dude.
I mean, if you were to, if you were to try and come at this from a biblical argument, there is no supporting biblical argument either, Scofield. Bible. They were like, yeah, but that's a different discussion. But like, I mean, what they're doing is they're put on fishing rods, fishing lines around Manhattan and say this is an Azov. It's a imaginary wall so we can carry stuff during Shabbat. Like they're trying to trick God the whole time. It's it's like, I don't know,
but this would get this. This would get me into anti Judaism. And I don't want to go there because I mean, like I think believe people should believe whatever they want to believe. If they want to believe this, go ahead, right. But don't push it on us. Don't say like we've got chosen people, you're or less you're nothing. Don't treat us like this. You know, don't treat others like this. Don't treat Palestinian children, women like this, you
know, don't justify atrocities. And I just want, you know, I just want humanity to win just like during COVID, just like be be human, be good to each other. You know, you can, you can criticize Hamas just like you criticize Zionists. And I think you should, you should by the way, if there is like, if there's Hamas, like killing people from being homosexual is like, you know, shut the fuck up. You know, they have no right to live as well.
But I mean, like, we are, we are talking here about like literally hundreds of thousands of civilians that have been injured and killed and they're still justifying this. And I think people who justify these crimes are evil, are totally evil and should be, should be, you know, we should be able to call them out without being called labels and without being getting cancelled. Just quickly you you aren't working as a scientist anymore, you know?
How nobody would ever take me There's there is no chance nobody wants to take in an anti-Semitic anti vexer. I mean, that's what they call me, right? So no institution would ever take me. So yeah, I can't I can't work as a science anymore. What I would love to, but I'm not I'm now doing my own observations in the world, which is like a much better science. So I run my own experiments here with tomatoes. I, you know, observe things and I draw my private conclusions.
And this is like much more honest than working for an institution that is actually telling you what you have to believe and what you have to write. But I mean, you are doing many things that we have been suggesting people do over the last few years. Yeah, be be self-sufficient. Be self-sufficient. Decouple yourself from the government, because the government is no good, right? I'm not just talking about beetles. I'm talking about yeah, but I have to I have to beat already for 10 years.
So this way before No, I'm literally trying to yeah, to to be be more independent because this is just the start. I mean, like wait until the, the digital IDs and the government backed digital currencies are rolling out. That's when the real shit starts, when they can just shut you down or shut your countdown or whatever. It's I mean, it's already starting, right? And wait until they control all the social media. I mean, like now TikTok, I'm a TikTok.
I mean, like, I'm not on TikTok, but TikTok was quite free. People were allowed to say stuff against Israel and now they're it's owned by American Jews because Trump put too much pressure on them And they like they're like, they're like centering all criticism against Israel them again, you know, the and X is kind of free still, but still, you know, I get all the propaganda in my timeline. So it's also kind of controlled by or at least not totally controlled, but there's still
some influence. And all the other social media. We all know who's who's owning it. And let's not talk about the mainstream media. So it's it's an infowar. It's literally Jewish Zionists and also Christian Zionists against, against the truth, against US, against for speech, against everything we stand for. And let's see where it's where it's going. But I mean, like what I, what I, I've quite hope in this.
Unfortunately, I need to have hope on the leftist as well, because the leftist are opposing this very rigidly. And yeah, I hate to say this, but people are at least people are waking up. You know, once you once you woke up to reality, it's very hard to go back asleep and more and more people awaken. I've, I've never seen an awakening like like this happening.
I think maybe that never happened in history during COVID, many people woke up and those who didn't wake up during COVID, no wake up with Israel, like many leftist wake up. So yet he had a great great awakening on the right now on the left. And this could be in our favor or in favor of humanity, because I didn't want to be a front man politician, you know, because I think they're all corrupt. So I just want, I just want people to, to be free, right? And that's, that's actually the war.
It's, it's us. It's, it's either freedom or slavery. It's literally what George all wrote 1984 was like with different topics. And that's what we're up against. Simon, how can my audience follow you? If they want to follow me, they just go on Axe and they put my
name. There's, I mean, like there are many fake accounts, but I mean, if I put my name in the into the search engine there at the top, you just see one with a yellow dot next to it's me. And yeah, that's how they can follow me. And I should, I should get more active on on, on Telegram 2 telegrams just like my surname, but that's about it. I don't have too much time for, for all the social media. I try to be active. I thought the day, but I mean, like I'm working outside a lot.
I'm trying to, you know, be 100% self-sufficient. And yeah, that's that's taking like 10 hours of my day. And the rest, I'm trying to be bit active. Yeah, but that's how they can follow me. Oh, how can they follow you, Jerome? That's even more important. You need more followers. They can go to your social media and you can direct them to me. I'll do that. That's a good one. Simon got egg. As always my friend, thank you for joining me in the Drangers. Thank you.