None. Dude, I was just telling you now I have been wanting you back on my show for for quite a while and I was just explaining to you also that the last few months I have just been burning out. But you said now you went to Croatia with no Internet. Yeah, I, you know, I kind of reached as well, a tipping point, a confluence, you know, of a few different things. And I thought I hadn't seen my
parents in a few years. And you know, it's expensive to take the whole family to, to the 4th Reich European Union. And as well, my parents don't have Internet where they are or in some cases is extremely slow. And so I thought, you know what, why don't I just take three months off?
And yeah, we went out over to Dalmatia and the and the Adriatic and tuned out for three months, paused my Sub Stack subscriptions never do that because what happened was I thought I'll be away for three months, I'll pause people's paid subscriber subscriptions for three months. And you know what Sub Stack did? It ended up giving all paid subscribers 6 to 9 month free trial. So when I came back, I had to spend 2 full working days to go
into Stripe and fix everything. So welcome to the Technocracy. So yeah. Well, what was it like being so disconnected? It's, it's wonderful, but I think for people like yourself, myself, whether we're podcasters or consumers of this content, I still couldn't get away because I had the 4G on the phone, you know, so I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm on the island. We're at the beach every day where we're roasting lambs and pigs and eating fish and and hanging seeing cousins I haven't seen in 15 years.
I got to hang out, meet with some prominent Croatian anti globalist intellectuals and dissidents and interviewed a couple. But still I'm like, I need to know what's going on. I'm checking my ex feed or telegram feed. So it's it's it's difficult. It's like, but it's also the nature of our, our with the work that you and I do. It's kind of like I want to, I want to know where are we at? You know, is it, is it the end
times yet? Is it has World War three started or the OR have they launched the second the next lockdown, you know so. You said you recorded while you were there. What? How did you have some? Oh, just. In person, so I recorded I Max Egan so it was funny. So last year, so last year I was in Acapulco at an Acapulco and my Airbnb was next to Max's house and across the street from his bar. So I met him there just, you know, doing checking out Anarcho Polko did recorded TNT radio
from there. And then the following year, here I am on the Dalmatian coast. In May, I went to high school there in the town where my parents live. And now and Max, it just so happens Max happened to be there. There's some Croatians that brought him over. It was the second time they did that.
They're fans of Max. They brought him over and I met those folks, went out to their house, one of them, because one of my listeners, that listeners lives there in town, he's from Canada and it's just funny, the odds. And so I hung out two days with Max and recorded a sit down with Max. And then I met a few other Croatian intellectuals, Christian me and Mishak. He's been doing a programme on Croatian television for 20
years. He's interviewed 800 plus some of the same people we've interviewed, and so I got them. I did that one in Croatian with him because he didn't want to do it in English. But anyways, yeah. What? Why was he protesting the the language? No, he just wasn't as comfortable in English and he told, and I wasn't as because I'd never done it in Croatian. But it was fun. It was fun. And he's got a big following. He's been doing this for 20 years in Croatian television.
So, you know, he's interviewed Ike and and a whole bunch of folks. So. Yeah. David like you don't interview, you just say hello and then you sit back. There's a few guests like that, like my former professor Alfred Desias. You just go. I just actually saw him on. It's funny. Our our, our former employer Mike, he's still doing the World News today and I saw him interview Alfred and jobs Landgreb, who I also just interviewed. And yeah, there's a few guests who just, it's like you're
trying to interject, but. And then you feel like you're interrupting. And then they kind of get angry. Look, I was, I was in the flow, you know? Croatia create me if I'm wrong, isn't that way Game of Thrones was formed? Yes, Dubrovnik, and I don't know what other parts. I was in Split as well, which you've got the occlusion's palace. I'm sure they've filmed there as well. Yeah. It looks beautiful, absolutely stunning. It is. I hope to return permanently someday, so we'll see.
We'll see how that works out. Yeah, hang on, hang on, hang on. Return permanently. So you you live in Mexico, don't you? Yeah. Why would you want to go back to Croatia? Why not? It's Croatia. Oh well, that's good enough I suppose. But on your way, on your way, you need to stop by and come stay with me. Or, or yeah, I either way. Or I can, yeah, I can make it to Croatia, then drop down to South Africa and come back, come back up. Yeah, yeah. It's so far when I travelled to
to China recently. You forget sometimes Voya how massive the world is. You know, like to just to get to Shanghai, you know, took like 6 hour flight to Ethiopia and then from Ethiopia to Shanghai which was 11 hours. So the whole, you know, flight, if you if you had the 2 together, it was 17 hours. It's just a lot of time above the clouds. It took me about 24 hours. To get to Croatia. From Mexico to through the USSA, through the new European Soviet to get to Croatia and, and This
is why I don't like travelling. I was just offered a teaching job in China at I guess one of the top international schools. I was offered a job in Baku, Azerbaijan. I was looking at a teaching gig in Alaska because I like going to these remote places. But for now, I think I'm just going to stay home. And I just don't like travelling
anymore. And, and This is why I prefer if I go somewhere, I prefer to go like 3 months or something like that, because, but I do have to say, I was expecting so many contingencies because I, I was reading, I, I passed through my hometown Chicago. And a few months before that there was some YouTube who'd been held up for hours by the authorities in Chicago, you know, thought crime.
And then in the EU, you constantly hear of journalists, particularly in the UK, but it's also happening in Germany elsewhere, you know, podcasters, journalists being interrogated for hours as terrorists. And so I'm thinking like this might happen to me. And then no, it was this. It was actually one of the smoothest travels ever when it came to passport control flying. It was actually comfortable.
And you know, one of the reasons the whole passport control is getting smoother is the facial recognition. And as as I like to use one of my get past guests, Edwin Black's terms that the algorithm ghetto. So they just snap your make sure they know who you are OK pass on through so. I, I must say, I, I do appreciate getting through an airport quicker, but now I'm going to get shot down for saying that.
I'm, I'm not saying I'm OK with facial recognition, but man, being in an airport really, really kills you, man. Yeah, it's it's it's expensive and yeah. And it's just, it's like they're little prisons. They're training us for the future purpose. Well, I mean, I think airports are probably one of the best examples of a technocratic future. They use all the latest and. They're they don't many places they don't take cash. When I was in, I was shocked.
When I was in Texas, I mean Texas of all places, the Lone Star State, and I was supposed to represent freedom. Was it 2 years ago? I was in Texas twice and I was shocked. Like in the airport, I wanted to buy a burger, lunch, something nowhere, accepted cash and like what? It's just mind boggling. Yeah. Well, I mean, you can pretty much not get anywhere in China without using Alipay or WeChat.
I mean, that's it. There's pretty much no cash and I didn't see any cash at all when I don't even know what Chinese currency looks like. Yeah, You know, you're reminding me. I was in China 21 years ago and I spent three weeks there. We we went on a historical tour because I was a history major and our our Jewish really great guy, Jewish history teacher from Bronx who married a Chinese and he was fluent in, in, in Mandarin. And we did a deep tour on in China.
We went to Beijing, Shanghai, Xi'an, I don't even remember where else. And, you know, we saw the Great Wall. We saw the Great Wall in the in the desert part of China, which I didn't even know existed. And so, yeah, And I still, I think I still have some physical. Back then, yeah, there was no digital stuff. It was cash. But now it's how things change and you. Were there 21 years ago? So in Chinese time, that's five centuries. What?
Do you mean? Because they work in like 5 to 10 year blocks, They are so, so advanced and that is impressive, but it's also scary. I wouldn't want to live there, that's for sure. Why wouldn't you want to live there? For a host of reasons, I guess the most obvious is language and culture. That is first and foremost. It's not. It's not home. I can't relate. I can only relate to my African my my African brethren. It's what I know and, and I'm a foreigner there.
I'm not a local. But beyond that, Voya, they are very technocratic. And in many ways, they set the example for where technology and central governance, you know, collide. And I'm not a fan of that intrinsically, inherently, I just it, it doesn't make me comfortable. It's largely everything I speak out against. No, I, I think, you know, I've also had Chinese Co workers here in Mexico where I used to teach.
And what I gather is that they're, as you say, they're very practical, pragmatic, I don't know if you could even say opportunist, but in the sense that, and I think part of it is the spiritual aspect. You've had the atheist communism for so long, not to say everyone is atheist in China, but again, it's, it's a bigger trend. And so they value more materialism, right? As a result, communism was there's no God material, you know, money and benefit.
And so that's kind of in, in their society, in, in the upper hierarchy versus the Christianized West. And so that, that's why. And, and you know, in many senses, I feel like China has been an experiment.
I've had some guests on, I'm thinking of like Peruvian research professor Miklos Lucas and others where we've talked about how, you know, you had China opened up US, you know, Nixon and all that when they went into China to sort of open it up and it effectively they brought technocracy to China.
So, you know, a lot of people today say point at China and I always make the statement, you know, we've interviewed some of the same people that live in, I've interviewed Nick Stankovich, Serbian guy in, in, in, in China, Jeff forgetting his name is Jeff Grey. I think he's an Englishman in, in China. And you know, I, I've noticed one thing with them too, you know, bless those guys.
I like them. We agree on some things, disagree on some things, but you tend some of these people that support this statism basically that you're referring to of the Chinese are that they're status, even some of these foreigners. So they kind of I'm not a status. And so I I view any state, any virtually all politicians from Mexico to US to Canada to Europe to Croatia to Russia to China,
any politician as bad. And the state is inherently evil because I think all, you know, the biblical worldview, man is all men are sinful and inherently evil. And so they defend some of the bad aspects of China because their status. So they say, oh, you know, this sort of OK, let's say algorithm ghetto or social credit thing in China. It's good because it keeps us safe. But then I'm, and I'm thinking, I interviewed him, I forget his name, Eric Young.
He's a guy in Hong Kong and he admitted to me, he said, he said he's like, yeah, you're right. Like it's, you're right. It's, it's, it's what we're we're giving one thing up for another. And right now it's peaceful and it maintains. But you're right. Maybe later it'll be tourniquet tyranny, as Edward Edward Snowden called it. So, you know, some of them admitted that they're making a Faustian bargain.
But my point was that I think from the West technocracy that was brought into China, Microsoft came in the 1990s to China setting up AI centres and all that. And it was one of many laboratories like Gaza is today, like China. And now that stuff that's been worked, some of that stuff that's been worked out in the East is coming back to the rest of us. They call it China Vacation. But at the same time, that stuff has also, it's been worked on in the West.
That's being implemented here as well. So yeah. You make a very good point actually, now that I think about it, because whenever, whenever we talk, we talk about China, we always talk about how advanced the country is. And when we talk about advanced, we're always referring to technology. It's as it's as though that is the the selling point.
Yeah, you know, as we were discussing earlier, I wouldn't be opposed to living in in China from the civilization perspective, like if it was more analogue like back in the day, I, I put in mind living in a Chinese in a rural area. But again, I, I've, I've lived in half a dozen countries and I've, I've just gotten tired of all the the paperwork and the visas and the this and that. And so I just like to stay at home. But. But yeah, but anyways, today technology is, is our God.
You know, I've got a guest I'm interviewing today, Shannon Rowan, and her book is on technology. And she begs the question of whether all this stuff that we're using now is in is inherently evil. The, the technology like the whole, all the smartphones and the DARPA Internet and everything. And I think there's, there might be something to it.
And so I think we, we look at it through the, that lens today, because this is the transhumanist future that were sold that, you know, technology is this God we're creating this God of AI and, and smartphones and everything, interconnectivity, Internet, Internet of Things, Internet of bodies. And this, this is the utopian progressive future. This is the pinnacle, right? And so This is why I think everyone uses that measurement. I don't know if this will show up on the screen, but I took
this photograph. I don't know if you can see but it's it says the automated. People Mover, yeah. So that was in the airport. That's a train. Now, somebody pointed out that that kind of makes people out to be like cattle. That's AI. Don't know if that's a language thing, I'm not sure. I've got no idea. But an automated people mover?
For a train, I mean that that's great in one sense because I think that better captures, but I think it better captures the essence of what that actually is in versus. A train, Yeah, well, it's automated in the sense. I mean, I, I went on it and it has nobody driving it. It's completely automated and it moves people. So I guess it's very literal, but it you get that sort of cattle vibe. That's where I think again, we're we're, we're we're headed and it removes sort of your or
our sovereignty. You know, I was this week. Lutz. OK, so here's a point that's relevant, Lutz is trust. I talk about them a lot. I was Bailey's Theosophy. So you had Blavatsky in the 1800s who was a Theosophist. I admire, if you ask me, say Satan is Luciferian. She had a Lucifer magazine and they tout that Lucifer is, is the Christ. He's the good guy, right? He's the Prometheus.
And Bailey founded Lucifer Publishing, which later changed the name to Lucy's Trust. And I was at one of their meetings in Geneva back in 2009. They have their headquarters in London, New York and Geneva and their latest newsletter. They talk about the convergence of East and West and they talk about how we must and they talk. They were lauding Xi Jinping and his reforms and his new, you know, his new proposals for world government. So Xi Jinping, the global
governance initiative. So he's proposing world government. It's like, wait, guys, this is not the direction we want to be going in and loses trust. Was saying I forget what exactly by that we need to get rid of individuality and bring in collective collectivism globally. And that is like, no, we we, we don't want to. You know, Jedward Gryphon for the longest time has been specifically talking about how
it's a war. The globalists want to bring in collective collectivism to extinguish individualism. So yeah. I've got his book here somewhere. How old is he? He must be like 90 odd. Probably getting to mid 90s, yeah. You're still around, you know that? I've never had him on my show. I must actually try. If you still I've heard and he's in this later age, it's it's getting difficult, you can imagine, but. I mean, have you seen Noam
Chomsky? I mean, he's like 190 and he's still doing interviews, but he really, but he looks, he looks like one of those characters from Pirates of the Caribbean is like, he's like falling over and I don't know, You don't know what he's saying. Have you, have you had him on? No, no, no, no. I've tried. I I know our mutual friend Hugo Kruger has interviewed him, so yes. He interviewed him a few years
ago. I don't know how he got that right because I mean, he's, he's, he doesn't answer emails. It's, I think with folks like that, it gets a bit difficult when they get to that old age and as you say, sometimes you can't hear them well and you can't make sense. So yeah. G Edward Gryphon had one of the best interviews ever. Remember that one? And I think it was 1984, Ironically with KGB. Yes, Bismuth. Last name now, yeah. Bismuth. Yeah.
What a great interview that was. Yeah, I had, you know, I, I don't know if I told this on my last podcast with you, but 2011 Ed Gryphon took me to lunch because I've been volunteering on his in 2000, 2008 9. He had a newsletter, I think back then it was called Unfiltered News, and he was supposed to be writing a book that never came to be. And we had, he looked for volunteers to help manage the weekly news. And then I was going to California on 2011. And then I I told his assistant,
hey, let's go meet for coffee. And and she's like, oh, Ed wants to take you to lunch as a thanks. And so and then the the I got the copy of G right behind me. I think it's, it's right there. He sent it to me for one Christmas sign. So yeah. Since we're on that, what if? Who? Sorry, not what. Who have been some of your favourite guests? I mean, you've also done a huge amount of interviews. I kind of, I never said, you know, I don't sit down and think who's my my favourite.
I just in general love like you and I do. Just being able to turn on the computer and just speak to the, to people from all around the world from all statuses. You know, some of our guests are rich and famous and others are people you've never heard of. And I just think again, it's the content of their character, the, the, the insights that they have. But I have to look at my own website to like answer that. But yeah, you've had some of the big names. You know, I, I, Francis Boyle
was fun. He just passed on January. That was weird because he passed on. That was one of my claims to fame, my the interviews that went viral, that got me in trouble. And eventually, probably the platform from Patreon and PayPal. With Francis Boyle. Yeah, those 300,000 views on YouTube in January 30th 2020. What was it about? Taken COVID of course. No, but why? Why that one in particular?
I don't know because he had come out saying it was, you know, biological warfare weapon that The Who knew what it was, knew about all of this corruption. You know, it's covering it up. It would be used as a pretext to bring in a police, global police state, which it did. And but he passed on five years to the day of the release of that podcast on January 30th of this year, which I thought was weird and I think 74 years.
And we would subsequently talked about, you know, World War Three and all that because he was an expert in international affairs as well. And so that was fun with Boyle, you know, and some of the big name like Robert Epstein, who's he tacitly admits that the Google Pentagon probably took out his wife who died in the mysterious car crash. And I really like my chat with Edwin Black because it's my favourite topic, the algorithm ghetto.
And CJ Hopkins is always fun. So, you know, those are some of the is. CJ still doing interviews though? Or is he still fighting with the German government? No, he's, I don't haven't paid attention. So he's doing a a trip around, a road trip on America right now. And it's funny because he, so he's going through America and he's everywhere he goes. He's meeting, hanging out with Americans who follow him, and he's writing a book in the process.
And he passed through Chicago, 15 minutes from where I used to live. So it's kind of funny. But yeah. Yeah. So he's passing through and he said he hadn't been back to America in 20 years. So. Yeah. No, well, I didn't know that. I I haven't been keeping up. I, I try, I keep trying to keep, I keep tabs on, on everyone. I keep tabs on, on all of you just because I like to see what's I like to know what's going on the, the, the lay of the land, you know, my past and,
and future potential guests. So. You, well, you said earlier that you know, you know, you don't like the state anyway. And one of the great things about living on the African continent is we have exactly that. That's why in, if you live in Africa or South Africa more specifically, you by default are extremely suspicious of the state. And also generally speaking, the state's pretty inept and
useless. And, and that's a great thing if you believe in sort of self reliance and independence and you know, and, and freedom of expression and freedom of other things. By the way, I want to ask you about that term freedom in a moment. I think it's a, it's become a bit of a catch phrase, but there's a vast polar opposite between China and and any just pick, pick an African state, you know, in terms of centralization
and governance. I think that's why I think that if you want to buffer against Agenda 2030, New World Order, Build Back Better, all those terms that kind of mean the same thing. I think African countries, Sub Saharan particularly, generally are a good choice and perhaps where you are also, I don't know.
Yeah, that's a good point. I'm thinking of an interview I did with Doctor Parker Roberts during COVID and he was saying he's like there's nowhere to go. And he was mentioning a friend of his that went out to live in Africa.
I forget where I think a bit north of you, but that that was the freest place you can get during COVID And, and Mexico to an extent can be like that even if you go to rural Croatia as well, which like I said, I kind of feel my for myself, I, I don't feel like moving anywhere where I'm not a citizen anymore. So it's basically I'm relegated to Mexico, Croatia or US. And here's a case in point. Riley Wagaman, I think you've interviewed him, no? Riley yes, I think so.
Years ago, actually. Now you you've actually put him back on my radar. Right. And so his partner Katarina, I think, was just kicked out of Russia. And so he, he, he, he too. So I guess I, I didn't know the full history, but he wrote about this a few weeks ago that I guess she's, she's from America like him, but she went when she was young to Russia, fluent in Russian, a good model, you know, citizen and not a citizen, but
good model. You know, she was getting offered jobs and, and prominent Russian institutions or whatever. And the KK, GB, FSB, the FSB just, she arrived to Russia and they rescinded her visa and kicked her out of Russia. And then I guess that by default meant Riley as well. And they're in Egypt now.
And I've been saying for a long time, because of this algorithm ghetto, the, the biometric exit entry systems that are coming in, the thought crime that is being installed in every country that, you know, in Mexico, they're saying if you criticise the government, they want to be able to revoke your, your visa. And so this is one reason I don't like to be somewhere where
I'm not a citizen. But to your other point of places like Africa, that's true here in Mexico, but I just see them accelerating this digital agenda everywhere and and they're leapfrogging. You know, people think in the developed world, oh, it's not as that developed Mexico or or Africa, but it doesn't need to be because with this new technology, it's like everyone's got a smartphone, everyone's got a bank account or bank app is some fintech.
Those are the key nodes. And now digital identity. I mean, here's a story from last week at my church, like I was, I almost fell off my chair. So I was talking to a family from our church and they have a teenage daughter and they live here where I am on the edge of town and they're on the lower socioeconomic rung. And the girls telling me that she was at some mall and they were scanning people's eyes and I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
What I'm like in the back of my mind, I'm like, is this what I think it is? It can't be. It was World, World Coin, Sam Altman's World coin, which has been rebranded World with the Orb. And so they were in the mall and she passes by and they have the biometric scanner and they're like, and they're offering money. So they said, here's 20, we'll give you 20 bucks, which is a lot of money in Mexican terms.
And just scan your eyes, we'll take your biometrics and you create your digital wallet, world wallet. And I'm like, Oh my goodness. Like it's, it's, it's, it's happening, you know, and This is why they go to the global S because and then people are just lining up. I hear them free money. It's like, give us your eyeballs for the world. The digital ID. And I was explaining to them and they were afterwards, the lady, the girl and her, you know, the girl was like, Oh my goodness,
what did I do? But I definitely think that that some places are going to buffer, but a bit harder than others. I mean, I don't know if you've been to Amsterdam, but that's a 15 minute city that kind of just made itself. Yeah, I mean, I, I live technically with my city. Guadalajara is a 15 minute city. It's a resilient city. I discovered this five years ago.
So I live in a resilient city. They've said they want to remake Mexico City, which is massive, I guess, into Hunger Game districts because you can't make Mexico City, 25 million people into a 15 minute city. It's like 3 hours or who knows how long to cross the city. But they announced in the mainstream paper last year they want to make it into a 15 city, 15 minute city. So I guess divided into 15
minute city districts. And they announced another state, Sonora and Mexico, that they're going to make the capital Hermosillo, a 15 minute city. They signed a deal with I guess Chinese Foxconn to help them make it at smart city and then make the rest of the cities in Sonora 15 minute cities. But I think as you say, they will advance at different speeds in the implementation of of this
stuff. And I think as a rule in general, whichever country you're in, the more rural you are, the more freedom you'll have. So. Well, you see, this is, this is the conundrum, Voya. I mean, everybody knows South Africa is very dangerous, you know, very high crime. And there's a sense of freedom in the chaos. And you have to pick your battles.
Yeah. You know, if you're OK with more chaos which comes as a result of broken infrastructure and but if you are looking for I guess a sense of freedom, you have more of that in this mess. Whereas if you're in Canada or New Zealand or even, you know, China, you have a huge amount of order safety but with a lot of top down control. Yeah. And you made me immediately think of the situation here in Mexico. So, for example, we've got the cartels, right?
And it's it's not a nice situation you reach. I mean, people, you can follow the, the blog, the narco on Telegram and X and you know, everyday, I mean women, children, teachers, politicians. I mean, they just killed a lime grower in Michoacan. Like a dude who was just growing limes. He was the leader and he refused to pay extortion. They took him out.
Another guy whose video went viral, he a young successful entrepreneur who spent four years blood, sweat and tears building a successful restaurant business. And he did a 10 minute video saying, sorry guys, I have to shut down my business. They're extorting me. I'm afraid they're going to send the sicario and assassinate me. And he's like, the government knows they're complicit. They don't care. And I know this is happening to many of you other Mexican businessmen.
And, and he he what he says, like we all, if more people had the courage to speak out and make noise, if there was sufficient critical mass, same thing with COVID or whatever, the government would be forced to react. They'd be forced to tell the cartels either go after them and say, guys, come on, you've crossed the line. Let these people do business. And so, but and so the situation Mexico is like, you can't go to rural either. Like I wouldn't feel comfortable.
I've been looking at a Plan B location in Mexico and I, I feel like, like you say, if you go to rural and Mexico, there's no authority there. So you can have a gang of men come to your house and just do whatever they want. And that's why I'm relegated to like the outskirts of town. So you can't go. So you can still be on the outskirts of town, not too far from quote order and still have like a well with water and your own food and and and animals.
So kind of in between. And so the, yeah, as, as you say, you, you get, you have to make a deal, you know? But I mean, you know, home is where the heart is. And so also, you know, so I mean, my default configuration is probably fairly anarchist, but that's also as a result of living on the African continent. Perhaps I would have a different view if I grew up in Shanghai. You know, I don't know.
But but what I do know is I, I prefer what I what I know, and I prefer what I am surrounded with. But it comes at a cost. Yeah. You were having the chat with Nick Hudson the other day and I'm a fan of his and I know he follows me on X and I just haven't gone around to asking him on. But you guys. Yeah. And and you but you guys were talking about something related to forget it, what it was China and why they're. So I think was suspicious or something like that.
And that made me think of, I think a lot of what what what's a lot of that stuff comes from the previous regimes that they lived under. So, you know, I've lived in Kazakhstan, I've been to Russia. And one thing you notice there's a commonality to like China, Kazakhstan, Russia in those regards, and it's the totalitarianism and that they've lived through Soviet Union, Chinese history. Kazakhstan was Soviet Union and I'd lived in Mongolia as well,
which was less to that extent. They were satellites of Soviet Union. But you know, the I stole my landlord in Kazakhstan. Great guy, but I, when I would veer too much into politics, he actually told me stop talking about politics like he was still afraid of, of because, you know, it's an authoritarian light state. Kazakhstan again, it's kind of to your point, it's still a nice place to live. It's from, I find it interesting and the people are, are, are are nice, but it's authoritarian
light. And the people had this attitude when COVID came along that they were like, yes, we know it's all a sham, but shut up, keep your head down and, and just move forward. So they've been trained through that previous history of of don't, don't make noise, don't rebel, conform. Almost like the courage was the individuality was sucked out of them.
But the COVID era. You know, is is sort of a litmus test, you know, so if if you lived in a country where you had to get APCR test like in China, well that's a deal breaker for me, right? Like done deal. I mean to to your point so. There is a website that I use to gauge international teaching appointments is called International Schools Review I think, and you have to pay 30
bucks to get access. And it's got forums of international schools around the world and it's people who work or used to work there that give the real reviews of what it's like to work. Like do they pay? What do they pay? Do they really pay it out? How are the students administration and everything? And you know, I had gotten offered potential offer to teach in China and I thought, OK, I'm going to check out some of those schools. And they were like the top
international schools. Well, I came across one foreign teachers review of China. So she said pre COVID working and teaching in China. Great, No problems. But she then explained, so this is like a real, you know, you pay access. These are real teachers, not some, you know, propaganda. And so she said what happened to her in 2022 during COVID as a teacher, foreign teacher, she said that she got locked into her apartment.
She couldn't leave. And, you know, and, you know, you guys, you talked with Nick and others, Yeah, some of those stories were propaganda that came out, but some of it is not. So here's a real foreign teacher saying I'm locked into my apartment. I can't buy food like what, what, what is this like the starvation and, and, and then so she said post COVID, I wouldn't go teach in China.
And, and that's kind of like for me where I, I'm, I'm, you know, whether it's Croatia or the place that I know Mexico, it's not that bad to that extent. And I'm more familiar with their surroundings here, which allow me to sort of maybe skirt some things. But yeah, I mean I didn't get APCR test at. All. I didn't. I've never. I've never got one. Yeah, and I didn't even. Get a fake vaccine. Passport because I didn't want
to legitimise the system. So but I mean, I was able to to do that here, you know, in South Africa, I don't think I would have been able to do that in Shanghai. Speaking of which, I did ask some people in China about the lockdowns and they there was a girl who said that she was locked into apartment block. They couldn't leave. They had food brought there, but that was only for two weeks.
I think it was, it wasn't like for six months or and you know, there was no starvation, but it is true and. But but. This is also part of the information war or void like how you how you philtre, you know the the truth that's infused with nonsense. It's so difficult. So, so, so difficult. And the segue is I said earlier I was going to ask you about the word freedom. One of the things that that bugs me. Are these?
These these sort of self designed movements, quote unquote, the freedom health movement or the freedom movement or whatever it might be. OK. And I don't, I don't attach myself to any of those movements because I don't really know what they mean. But when when people talk about freedom, it's like a catch phrase now, you know, you might as well put a little TM next to it. Like what does it actually mean? What do people mean when they talk about freedom?
That's a good question. I don't know, you know, and, and he's supposed to know. I think I, I, you know. I think it can also go to an extreme as well. I mean, look at the West, you know, and, and I, I, I've vaguely touched on some of these topics when you explore these ideas of, of, I know the Russians have commented on this, like this liberalism of the West, which at the start it seems OK, right? Like the American Revolution and all that and the, the, the freedom and, and, and, and
liberty, right? But then you know there's a great. There's a few great folks who have have have been trying to explore this, but then you come to realise, you know, a lot of those ideas were started by these Freemasons, occultists, these ideas of, of liberty, this God of liberty today. And I think there's something to this. You know, I was born in America, I got Thomas Jefferson right behind me, all that jazz. But then you realise, wait a minute.
I think the underlying philosophy though is anti Christian and anti human because what it means it's it's it's Satan. You know, Satan was in in the King's court, right, God's court. And he was ultimately he was beautiful musician narcissist. So he wanted to be God. He wanted to lead the first colour revolution, the first regime change it first coup d'etat, coup d'etat in heaven and he was kicked out.
But the liberalism, and I think that that that's why I say these Freemasons and they're occultists and probably theosophists when they say that means there's no limit to freedom. So I think the result of us having now men who want to be women and trans and this and that, I think that's actually a natural consequence of this philosophy of, of freedom where there's no, there's no limit. So you can be what you want. You can be do what you want. You know, you Aleister Crowley says, right?
What does he say? I forget the quote now. The whole of Yeah, I forget it now. But anyways, yeah, but you're touching on. What I'm alluding to and and that is this idea of well. Freedom a being a catch. Phrase, but B nobody really knowing what they mean when they say it. Because if you talk about freedom politically, you probably are. Speaking about. Anarchism, which means no state at all. And everything is locally, locally driven.
But most people I've spoken to who would argue for freedom would not go down that road. You know, they, they talk about a good government, you know, that that maintains the country's sovereignty, for example. But you can't have that if you are living in an anarchy, you know what I mean? And so that's politically speaking, culturally speaking, I don't know what it means either to to have maximum freedom. I don't know what that means.
Well, I mean like some of our. Fellow podcasters are anarchists, volunteerists, right? And I don't that can never be applied. I'm I'm like, look, OK, there's no governor in Mexico. Yes, there is the cartels, which they're they chop off your heads. It's like they did dissolve your, they extort you. So it's kind of like you're not going to have anarchy. There's always going to be someone to fill that power vacuum. So for me, it's like a pipe dream is never going to happen.
And I got and I come from. It never has happened either, by the way. Yeah. And then from the. Biblical worldview, it says, you know, government is not the idea of a government. A government isn't bad. Obviously I don't like it. And I think even in the Bible, you can read that early on, God was like, you know, to the Israelites, just follow us. You don't need a government. But the people like we want a government. It's like, OK, and and so.
Yeah, but what about that verse? Sorry, what about? Sorry, but that verse that says given to Caesar that which is Caesar's and given to God that which is God's right? So that's a whole other. Philosophy so like we're living in this age of governments and and the point of that was Jesus saying, look, the most important thing is your salvation,
eternity, not not now. And so to espouse this Christian morale of loving your enemy, preaching the gospel, be the best citizen that you can be, Yeah. And be the most innocent, righteous, truthful, honest type of person. So I think that's what he meant. So that when you get persecuted by this tyrannical government, that they have nothing bad to say about you. Like, oh, look, he's paying his taxes. He, you know, he doesn't curse. He helps his neighbours.
So you're being like an, an example. And then the government's like, well, what are, what are we going to get this guy on? Like, you know, And so I think that was the point. And so I forget what we're talking about the freedom and and then social as well. Like if you go live in those like Kazakhstan and Russia, socially conservative, they'll never let fly this trans LGBT plus Q stuff, you know? So, but I mean, I saw. None of that in northern China. Like absolutely none of it.
No purple hair, no green hair, no low cut tops on on women like very conservative. And a strong yeah, and. A strong sense of family and community. And that's why you, that's why when you go to China, you end up with multiple philosophical tug of tugs of war, tugs of war, tug of wars, tugs of war. What's the Bureau? Tugs of war I guess, but you end up with. Many of the hosts. You're sitting on that on that flight home thinking, I don't know which way to go with this.
I mean, there's no perfect. Location, wherever you go in China, you get a plus, you get a minus you come to Mexico plus A minus US. So it's really subjective and you know, people sometimes tell me you should leave Mexico and come here where I am or this or that. And I'm just like it's, it's up to the individual. There's just so many factors. But I mean, you know, again. You can't see what's. In front of me, but I. I've got. I've got my windows open and
it's beautiful. I have mountains and vineyards, you know, and it's all green, you know, And the sky is blue, no chemtrails, you know, And it feels and smells healthy and and wholesome. So am I OK then, with the chaos? I think I am. No, that's a great place to be. That's an ideal. And I was shocked this summer and like the chemtrails in Croatia, like I've never it's been. It was so in your face that's like you couldn't deny that those were actual chemtrails.
And so I thought a place like the Adriatic where it's it's it's mostly nature. They're geoengineering us. So. Yeah. But you want to go there, Well, you know it's it is. It's home, you know, It's my homeland. So you know, what can I, what can I say? What is somebody from Croatia called A. A. Croat A Croat Yeah, yeah, yeah. Croat, yeah. OK, a Croat. Is Croatia part of the EU? Unfortunately, yes. 2013, I believe we were assimilated by the Borg and three years ago we
lost our currency. So now, and this was, I saw, I was there three years ago in 2022 for three months while we still had the currency. And I came back in September and then December was the last month before, you know, they, they got rid of, they introduced the euro and I think January 2023. And so this was my first trip where I came in where it was all euro. And honestly, I felt like almost, I was on another planet and that aliens took over.
I mean, it's, it's really something when you come to your country and you don't have a currency, it's like you don't have a country anymore. Well, and it was just to be fair. Many African countries also don't have currencies. But for very different reasons. But that's even better if you don't have a currency. At all that's fine, but if now we have to use the euro, it's like that's another, you know, but just quickly.
Going back to the question I was asking about freedom, I mean, I was reminded of those, those freedom events in Washington or wherever they were, where they have a lot of bands playing in people speaking on stage. And and then I think to myself, what what is it that they're actually wanting? A lot of them are mega and Trump supporters and they, they see Trump as fighting for freedom. But dude, he's part of the system. He's part of the machine. He, he introduced warp speed and Stargate.
Yeah, I've been. I've become. Disillusioned with a lot of those events and, and organisations and I don't like to be part of generally any, any, any association. But yeah, it's, it's some of them are well meaning people. No problem with them. Some are rifters, obviously. And the whole Trump thing. Trump is, I've been saying this since I guess the beginning. Trump is new world order. He's he's globalist, he's bringing in installing the new world order and there's no other
way. I mean, who else? When you talk about this, I'm not saying he's the Antichrist, but I when you talk about this idea of the Antichrist and the installation of the new world order, it's going to come through somebody who appears to be, you know, it's not going to come through some left wing radical pink haired nose rings, you know, awoke person. Everyone's be like, what, what
is this? It's going to be someone who's who's wearing a suit, who pretends to be, you know, Christian, and that's the guy who's going to sneak in right through the front door holding a Bible, as Trump does. And reminds me of Gary, Gary Oldman in the Book of Eli with Denzel Washington. He's the guy who wants to get his. I love it. He wants to get his hand on the Bible so he can control the town. So yeah, I mean Trump.
This is the thing that has blown my mind immensely, is that when he came in for the second term, when he was, shall we say, selected for the second term, How? Millions. Of people would just beautifully and poetically brought back into the system.
But it's it happens everywhere. Like I had the same situation here in Mexico, where some of my Mexican friends, some of them who are even Christian, who are not supposed to be left wing, and I criticised, I criticised, I criticised Morena, the left wing party, Scheinbaum. I'm low Scheinbaum, who just proposed one of their politicians proposed a bill to if you meme a politician, you can get six years in gaol. And I posted that and I said alert, alert.
You know, they're they're trying to do this. And for me, it's not about left to right. Like the right wing government tried to do this ten years ago. Now the left wing government is doing it. And my left wing friends got angry because they believe in their left wing party. They think that's their team. And I'm telling I'm thinking like Morena that left, They don't they don't know who you are. They don't care about you. And it's the same thing with the Trump stuff. It's just people.
It's part of his cope. They need to believe in something, some hero. And if they if then if they don't have it somewhere else, like my minds is Jesus. And so it's, you know, you've talked. I've seen you comment on that before, the black pill stuff. And it's like, I'm black pilled, but I'm not. Yes, I'm black pilled in the near term, but my white pill is Jesus. If you don't like that, don't you know just you've got your? Own white pill so. Yeah, look, Voya. That that Blackpool comment is
very multi layered. This is one of the things that I have been trying to. Get across. In on my show lately is is the complexities that are around us. I think. I think it's Kid Knightley. Who who really, really drove this point home when you said that people, even on our side, get caught up in these fake binaries, these false dichotomies where it's where it's one or zero and they completely ignore all of that grey that's between the black and the white.
We are a very, very big world and there is a lot of complexity and a lot of nuance. So like a black pool, it's not a there's not like one sentence definition, but it generally means when I speak about it is is the dangers of being jaded or nihilistic. You know if if you wake up in the morning and you have no desire to get out of bed and you. And you feel like you have no purpose. Something is wrong, very, very wrong. It's a bad place to be.
That leads to taking antidepressants and basically you become reliant on the system and you might not even, you know, live, you know, you might decide to try and take your own life. That is a very dark, dark place to be. And it's easy to fall into that trap when you see what's going on around you.
And so it's so, so when I speak about the Blackpool, I speak about that it's not really going, Oh, well, there's no point because there's always a point, you know, you've pointed out that, you know, you, you should always fight the good fight and, and you can win little battles along the way. And, and those, and those can, can lead to great things.
And the white pole then, by by extension, is merely taking that information and waking up with a purpose, you know, getting out of bed and still being able to smile and, I don't know, bring coffee to your wife, you know, and, and make bacon and eggs and, and feel like you can still get through the day. You know what I mean? Yeah. And and I'm referring. To black pill as some commentators on the different platforms who, you know, tell me, oh, you're always so negative.
You're looking at this bad stuff and and to your like, like you say, you know, I'm I get up, I'm happy the sun is shining. I fire up the coffee. I'm like, what's going on in the world? And I have a balance, you know, I go out into nature, play with the, with my kids and all that,
all that sort of stuff. And I think it's the, the problem is some of these people who misdiagnosed it was like, look, I, I can stare into the bit abyss daily, You know, it, it doesn't really get to me. And I've been lately saying that
resistance is not futile. I said in a recent interview that just if, if something is wrong, like the digital ID stuff or whatever, whatever the outcome, even if we're surrounded, if it's like the movie 300, you know, if we're going to die, it's still kind of a white pill to resist. You resist not because knowing whether you're going to win or lose, because it's the right thing to do. You don't comply with evil, you fight it. And you know, that's another version of the white pill.
I think the great. Thing about the pull and energy though, is that it simplifies some of these complex or abstract ideas and I'm very grateful to that wonderful 90s documentary The Matrix. What a disaster. Did the Matrix become the the the directors? Hey I I never even got. Around to watching the third sequel and it was a waste of time. And it's just. It's but it just seems across the board that they've just destroyed all. It was such a good movie, that first one.
It was it was breakthrough, I thought, but it. It's across the board, you know? I was a huge fan of Mission Impossible, even though it was before my time, even as a kid at the the TV show. I'm talking about the original Mission Impossible, Mission Impossible. And then when the first one came out, that was like the only movie that I went twice to the movie theatre to watch. I think it was in the early 90's, the original Mission Impossible with director Brian De Balma, which had this
ambience. You know, they had the ambience. If you remember the first Mission Impossible of like a real spy movie. And then the rest were just garbage, like fast food type, you know, So they do it with everything they destroy. That's the. That's the. Liberal globalist world.
Order I still do. Enjoy movies and I I don't subscribe to that idea that I'm just going to throw out the TV because I think I think they are still good movies that get made and they are they are good messages that come through some of them I thought Lord of the Rings was great for example yeah, I was watching Narnia with my. Kids, yeah, yeah, to your point, you're you're, you're right. And I do also watch stuff selectively, but sometimes their
stuff as well. It's entertaining, but it's, it's they're programming us like, well, like John Cusack, you know, did you know? There was a movie. That came out in 20. 12 called Contagion. Did you know about this movie? I know, I know of it.
I haven't seen it. But you know, I, I went back a few years ago and and watched Utopia with John Cusack, which was filmed in 2020, 1819 and released in 2020 during COVID where they basically said, yeah, we're gonna fake a pandemic just so people can get injected with a sterilant. No ways. You know, it's cool. So. In your. Utopia You So was first a a British TV show in the 23rd in 2013 and then it was remade is an American version. And it's literally, I mean, that's literally what they
effectively did. And they said that they created this image of a pandemic where his company secretly they hired different vans and they went around the US and they sprayed some sort of concoction to get people I'll to create the appearance of a pandemic so that they would demand the vaccine. And he was saying he had this famous quip in this TV show like you have to like summoning Bernard Shaw, You must earn your
right to live daily. And so it's it's so, you know, so in your I, I had never heard of. Contagion until I think late 2020 and someone on social media said, hey, check out this movie Contagion. And then I go and have a look and it's it's a legit movie with legit actors. And it came out like almost a decade earlier. And it's about a corona virus
outbreak. And in that movie, they used the term social distancing, which is a term that I'd never heard before 2020. And, and everything was the same as basically as what happened in 2020. And it's just creepy. It's just creepy. Which leads me to a quick, a quick question before we come in for a landing. How much of what's going on do you think is by design and how much of it is by emergence? I think. It's most of.
It is by design. We can see, you know, the COVID stuff that's planned, the wars, the economic aspects, they don't always go according to plan, but they just come back and retry and they're relentless. Evil is relentless. And so I, and then as you mentioned, I mean how is that a coincidence, contagion and COVID in the 10/20/2010 Rockefeller report. And so come on, this is all mostly planned. And then if you take.
The biblical worldview that there's someone driving this, there's this entity that's lived for millennia, Lucifer, who's the driving force? He's strategic and he's got a plan where he wants to take us and it's it's moving along swimmingly until it isn't because he loses in the end. So that's AI think that's a good. Way to end the the conversation, Arvoya. How can my audience follow you? Geopolitics and empire.
Dot com all the links are there. I'm on X telegram sub stack, YouTube odyssey wherever you can find me. I just want to point out that your your work. Has been some of my favourite in the last five years. I think I discovered you in 2020 ish. I think it was then I remember, you know, I did a Yeah, I so I. Called you to come out my podcast 2021 and I think you came on. You probably didn't know
anything of my work. And then after I, I'm, I'm guessing after the fact, you looked at the archive and you're like, whoa, you know, so I remember, yes, I do remember. And I. Because I and I remember the sort of the blue, that sort of blue aesthetic that you have going and I don't know, I just fell in love with your work. It was so, so good. And and you've had some. Incredible guests. And you've had some incredible insights that that have stuck with me.
So from from from the bottom of my heart, God bless you, my friend, you've, you have positively impacted my life. So I thank you for for the great work that you've done. Well, I've also been. Learning from your work as well. So yeah, thanks for thanks for anyway, Voya, Thank. You for joining me in the trenches.