None. My name is Germ. This is Germ warfare, the battle of ideas, Todd Hay. And thank you for joining me in the trenches. Thank you for having me, Germ. It's it's been a while since you and I talked, so I'm very excited about today. I think over a year. Yeah, it's, you know, it's time when you get old time. Like a year is like 5 minutes, that's what. It was I, I. Yeah. You wouldn't know. No, not yet. You got a little while to go. Yeah. In fact, the ancient Egyptians
thought that time was relative. There wasn't. There wasn't. You know, some things actually took longer than other things. It was like that's how they perceive time, which is really the truth as far as empirical experiences. It's like there are things that take seem to take longer, but we have the clock that tells us it's the same. Yeah, but to hell with clocks. Technology back. When you and I started chatting a few years ago, it was I think in the height of the the COVID
event and. Yes, it's all. Quote unquote over now, but yeah, I'm guessing. Part of it is, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean that part, the, the, the, the whole psychological operation, you know, that people were told about some sort of biological event, that part. Right. It's over, but but COVID, the word is, it's kind of like a, it's like a catch phrase now for something much bigger, isn't it? I think so, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know exactly what you're what you're saying there.
There's a danger, you know, it's the law before the storm. There's this, there's this feeling that that it's not a feeling because it's it's evidential, but it's it's gone down below a certain level. You know, when it raised above this level, it was like everybody wearing masks, everybody getting a shot and, you know, constant news about the number of people that have died and whenever that definitely has gone down below, below the noise level.
But everything that stands behind what happened is still there and is and is still very dynamic and very strong. But the public doesn't see that. The public didn't even see it when it was actually happening. They didn't see it for what it was. They, they, you know, they just took it point blank as to what, what the authority was telling them it was. And obviously that's what we all talk about. But I think it's dangerous to
believe. And, you know, my sub stack really focuses on don't don't forget about this. This is still happening. And, you know, it's, it's taking the form now of, of, you know, the CBDC's and the, the digital IDs and even even that's kind of lowered a little bit with its intensity of being pushed. But I think the primary thing we see it in now is the Middle East and the, the evil Trump who is
trying to destroy the world. They, they, they, they get, it's a distraction because they, they don't really see what is trying to destroy the world. But anyway, that's. You're you're Canadian, So what are your thoughts both? What are your thoughts on Canada becoming a province of the US? You know, I, I, I, I don't know, I think, I think in, I think in theory or hypothetically, it already is.
And I think a lot of that is typical Trump blather and, and it has a purpose behind it. And the purpose behind it is working. It's, it's creating a nationalistic fervour in Canada. All of a sudden Canada is independent and elbows up and all this junk that's going on here. I mean, it's, it's actually
quite terrifying. And I think that was his intention, Believe it or not, I, I don't think Trump's intention was to make Canada stronger, but to, to create this fervour, a nationalistic fervour, which which essentially got Carney voted in. And I think that I think that is advantageous to Trump. I, I don't know why.
I mean, I, I can guess, you know, I think, I think other people more well informed and, and studying all, all of this stuff would, would, would give a better answer than I would as to why. But, but you know, Trump says it himself, he, he would rather have the Liberal Party in place. And I think it's because he knows he can manipulate that
easier. And so, so that's what the whole 51st state thing, I think the intention, just like the Gaza thing, you know, turning that into, into Trump Wonderland. It it's, you know, it's, it's weird And it there, there isn't, there is an intention behind it, But I don't, I don't think it's what people think. I don't think it's what is on the surface, you know, if that answers your question, I don't know. Canada's a weird place right now. It kind of reinforces the whole
idea that it's just all theatre. It is all theatre, absolutely always has been. I think it's different theatre now. I think it's, I mean, you know, like with Trump getting pissed off the other day and dropping the F word and all that. I mean, that's all theatre and, and it always has been theatre. But I think it's been more
deceiving theatre. I think it's been more like, like, you know, the goody 2 shoes president who never would curse and is not a bully and whatever to to the public, you know, like Obama, good example of that Obama like presented this charismatic really together, you know, loving,
caring person. And then he's bombing the shit out of Syria and and whatever, you know, Yeah, and and now it's it's more surface and and the the tactics that are played are are still theatre, but I think they're easy to figure out actually, if if you think about them, you know, if if you're a critical thinker, I think it's easier to look at what Trump is doing, for example, and like, get it, you know, to go, OK, this is this is what he's doing. This is the theatre he's
presenting here now. I think it was harder before when it's deceiving, when it's deceptive, it's it's harder to see it because you got to dig a little deeper. Trump is obvious. I, I think it's really obvious. And the people that think he's literal hating, look at what he's doing now, you know, and you're like, oh, well, it's not really what he's doing. It's what he's saying, but he's not really doing it. You know, I don't know, I'm not a big Trump fan. I, I, I, I mean, I, I'm watching
carefully. I'm not any fan. I'm not. I've never been a fan of a president and. But I think that's the right position to to to hold. Yeah, it feels that way. Yeah. Yeah, just, I mean, it's a big game. I don't know anything about it. I I don't personally know how to manage the world and what those decisions that are made. There's a whole bunch of different levels. You can look at it. I mean, you can look at it at the at the, the consensus level, you know, there's a war going on.
Israel is being, is being threatened by the Muslim world or whatever. And you know, they, they have the right to, to blah, blah, blah. You can look at it that, that, that level of which most people do, or you can look at it at a deeper level that, that they're all theatre, They're all manipulating one another for different reasons and different goals. And it isn't the ones that we're told it isn't about religious freedom, for instance, it's it's not about that.
And you watch the agenda and obviously you, you can see a more truthful presentation of what it is about, you know, and I don't even think it's about that. I mean, you know, I, I once in a while, like when I'm laying awake at night, I start thinking about things like the devil or lizard man or anything. I mean, you know, you'd like go, well, that makes that actually makes more sense.
You know, more questions are answered If if, if it's actually Satan sitting somewhere on a throne with his horns and saying, OK, then we're going to destroy the human race and this is how I'm going to do it. And or, or alien lizard people or whatever. It it makes more sense. It it like, you know, but then I wake up and I go, I don't think so. I'd love to talk to, to, yeah, love to talk to you about this because I, I know you have, you have the same kind of open mind that I do.
It's like, well, maybe so, you know, maybe the Earth is flat, maybe there are no viruses, you know, and what, whatever it's it's like, OK, state your case. Let me let me hear it and think about it. I mean, I know, I know we've talked about that before. And I mean, you and I are similar. Yeah. To to be. Fair.
If I fly in an aeroplane and I often do this and I look out the window, the horizon does look completely flat, right, But but then, but then the counter argument is, well, you're not high enough. All right, fine, I get it, but it doesn't flat. Or does David Icke have a point? You know that everything is a simulation and and reptiles, I mean King Charles, look at look at him.
He does look a bit cold blooded. It does well, you know, if, if you've ever entertained the, the thought, which, which is a, a very viable presentation that consciousness creates material reality and that, you know, the quantum physics that I mean, all these, all these like very, very, very well educated and thoughtful people have come up with these like the multiple universe concept, the infinite number of universe, the infinite number of realities that consciousness actually forms.
I mean, if, if you've, if you've entertained that at all, then anything, anything's possible, you know, anything is because if, if our consciousness can create material reality, then we're creating lizards and we're creating a Flat Earth. And I've always said this back at a time where everybody believed that the earth was flat. It was, you know, it's like if, if everyone believes it's flat,
then it is flat. And if the majority of people believe it's round, to those people it is round, like like literally manifested round. The people that believe that it's flat, they can prove it is because it is in that multiple universe, in that reality. So if if you entertain this thought at all, I mean anything goes. That's a very interesting way of looking at things, Todd, because what what it implies is that storytelling narratives actually matter more than facts. Because absolutely.
The history of the history of humanity is storytelling, yeah. Everything's storytelling human, human beings operate completely in a, in a storytelling and, and an individual storytelling. You know, you look at animals, they also have stories, but they're more instinctive. They're more historical stories. You know, they're more about instincts, genetics, whatever. They have their own personal story.
Of course, if you have dogs at all and you have, or cats or anything, well, cats, I don't know, but dogs, if you have dogs, it's very, very clear they have different distinct personalities. They, they make their own personal stories, but they don't live by them the same way humans do. I mean, and their stories are probably not as complex as, as the fabrication of the story we make. So every, everything we do is based on story. Some of it's consensual, obviously, some of it is personal.
And if you work in psychotherapy like I do, it's it's amazing the personal stories people make that don't correspond with material reality, whatever that is. So. I do take a slight exception though to what you're saying because it does sound a bit woo woo postmodern and and I'm not a big fan of postmodernism where reality is relative. I mean, surely there is an object of reality? Well, you can believe that
that's a subjective view. Well, not, no, I, I wouldn't say it like, I mean, you, you get twisted up in a paradox with, with this kind of thinking, because I could say that I could say, oh, well, that's your subjective thought about reality. So it may not be true, but, but I, I don't think it really works that way. I, I think there is an objective material reality, but I think it's flexible, which what is that objective then?
No, I, and you know, this is, this is where you really get into the twist with it. And I can't even talk about this because I, I don't grok it myself. I mean, it's, it's too weird. Is, is that the reality, the material reality that my consciousness makes is different than the one yours makes, But they, they overlap. OK. It doesn't mean it's solipsistic. And this, this is where you run
into the problem. It's, it's not saying that I am the only conscious being on Earth and I create everything, which is a solipsistic idea, but it's saying that everybody has and that's why I can't explain it. Everybody has access to creating the material reality, but they're, they're all separate. But they're not, they're all, they're all one. It's, it's impossible to explain
this. Maybe somebody out there listening can explain it, or maybe there's a book that explains it. I can't explain it. I've always tried to. The closest I get is the one electron theory. I, I don't know, I think we may,
we've talked about this once. We've talked about so many strange things, but the one electron theory says that there's only one material particle and it's the size of an electron, which which isn't really a material particle, but anyway, let's us call it that, that it's one material particle that sends in quantum theory. That particle can be anywhere and everywhere at the same time. That that the to get from here to here takes no time. It's like 0 time.
So therefore it can from a material perspective, not from a spiritual one, but from a material perspective, That particle can paint the entire universe, the material part of the universe, all at once. Because there's no time. There's a quantum leap and, and therefore that one particle creates everything that you and I are looking at. You, me, everybody else, everything it, one particle creates it. So that's unity. That's the unity concept of materiality.
Therefore, that particle can be controlled by consciousness, which is moving out of the material realm and, and can paint anything the consciousness wants it to paint. Now, again, where you run into trouble is like, what am I painting? Is it the same as what you're painting? Is it, you know, obviously we're sharing something, you know, you see me, I see you, I see your microphone, you know, you see mine.
And it's like, so there is a, an objective reality to the two of us and everybody else that we share something with. We can see, you know, and I mean, even Carl Jung made a comment like, well, I think it was, no, it wasn't Carl Jung. It was Einstein made. I think it was Einstein made some comment that if you, if you don't look at the moon, it's not there. You know, it's, it's like whatever, whatever we're seeing is painting in front of us and anything we don't see doesn't actually exist.
Like my wife now is is at work and it's like she really isn't there because I don't see her. I don't paint her there anyway. But I mean, why are we talking about this? There is, there is, there is a degree of truth in what you're saying. If I think back to the COVID era, millions and millions and millions of people were told that there was a deadly contagion that could kill them at at any given moment and they would need to have a vaccine. And they believed it and they still do.
And and it was very real. And you've had these conversations with people. Yes, but I know so and so X who died from COVID. How dare you say that there was no pandemic. It was their reality. My reality is that there was no pandemic. Right. And you know where you're getting you're, you're talking which which everybody you know was going to do for the most part. You're talking at a certain level of this, of this concept
of creating reality. And this is the, the common concept of it, which is where we actually can see effect by mass belief in something. It's, it's different than this higher level of creating your own reality because up there there's really nothing you can say.
I mean, then you can say, well, you and I created the reality that the, that, that people believed in the vaccine that we created that our consciousness created that and created all the people, the higher authority telling everybody to get the vaccine. We created that. And, and it's like, well, that's when you get well, what is that? I mean, that's, that's at this weird level. We can't really talk about stuff at that level.
It's, it's too weird. The level you're talking about is the, is the acceptable level that if a whole bunch of people believe something, then they are going to take a certain action. The all the Germans in 1932 that believed in, in Hitler, you know, took a certain action. All the Chinese during the Cultural Revolution, they took a certain action. And all the people that believe in the, in the vaccine takes a certain action. So it's like, how do you create that? And you, you create that.
I, I don't think that happens. And I think you and I are on the same page with this. I don't think that happens organically. I, I think that has to be instigated by an agenda, which is what the movie, the agenda goes into there. There has to be a, a decision somewhere here. And, and maybe maybe it isn't as as clear as we would like to think it is. Maybe it isn't like, well, let's get rid of, you know, 10 billion people and give them this poison vaccine to kill them all.
It may not be that that literal it may be, but it may not be. It may be more of of like, let's create this thing in order to get control over everybody so we can kind of funnel them all into this, you know, smart city, CBDC, digital ID, what whatever the hell it is, so we can move them into that more easily because we've got them kind of captured into this fear. And and whatnot. So yeah. And now why is it that those people fall for it and we don't.
I think that's the big mystery. I don't I don't get that. What why am I special That and and it's it's a huge dichotomy. I mean, this isn't this isn't just like, well, yeah, I kind of believe this and you believe that whatever. I mean, this is radical. What, what we know and can see clearly in front of us that these other people can't see. I mean, it's like they're blind. Literally.
They can't see it. And if it's put right in front of them, they just reject it. It's like la, la, la, la, la. No, I don't want to see that. That is weird. I find that very, very strange. Matthias Desmet who wrote the book on totalitarianism, but many others have written similar stuff. He, he said that around about 1/3 of people that any at any given stage will be alert or awake, quote unquote, which suggests that there will never really be a critical mass that's bigger than that.
I mean, if I think about my own circles, those who believed in the COVID scam, those who believed in the vaccine, it's always around about a third, more or less. I mean, I beg your pardon, Those who didn't believe in it, was it right about a third? Sorry, I meant to say that. Right. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. That was implied. I figured it out.
You know, it's there. There is, you know, from my my thinking and my research there, there is definitely validity in in an idea of a psychological psychosis, of mass psychosis. I don't think Desmond used that term. I think he he used something else. He. Really dislikes that term. Dislikes that term, yeah. It was Rob Malone who It was Rob Malone who went into to Rogan and unfortunately butchered what Matthias Desmond right about. What does Desmond use?
Mass something. What is nation fat? Right, exactly. And then then again, you can also look at it from a psychotic perspective. It's more problematic because that's that's a that's a psychic pathology that to see on a mass scale is, is a problem. But we've seen it in history, you know, mentioned the Germans and mentioned, you know, Chinese, the Cultural Revolution and there's many others, obviously is some bigger, some smaller throughout history where it appears as if people become
psychotic. Technically they probably aren't OK from a psychological perspective, but it is a mass formation. And you know, Desmond's a lot clearer with his, he's a, he's a brilliant psychologist. So he, he obviously can word this much better than I can. But but there's more to it now because those, those examples are radical cultural influences. And what we're seeing now isn't as radical as, say, National Socialism in Germany or, or the Cultural Revolution. They're not as radical.
They, they are there. I think they, they do have an upper feed. They're coming down from, from this, you know, WEFUN whatever like the agenda talks about, but to have the effect that it has, it's it's not. And you know, we, we can talk about, well, that's because of
the COVID thing. And, and that was radical, you know, the fear that was put into, but, but it already, it already happened before that it, it was like people were ready for that, you know, to, to be radicalised by fear and, and whatever they were open to it and, and they immediately took it and accepted it. There was no question anywhere. There wasn't people going, Oh, well, you know, this, the, I don't really believe this yet. You know, you, you've got to
give me more information then. Nobody cared about any of that. It was like instant, you know, so. This term, radicalization or radical, is a term I've thought about a lot. And yeah, I don't really know what it means, Todd. It seems to be relative. It's always the other person who's radicalised. There's never you. Well, there's, there's a lot of words like that, like conspiracy and and what whatever. You know, you're absolutely right. I don't even know what the definition of radical is.
I, I think what makes us not radical and them radical is when it deviates from, I know this is going to be hard to say without, without, uh, controversy, but when it deviates from, umm, objective reality, you know, truth, you know, I boil down a lot of this stuff because, because, because a lot of times I sit around and go, Gee, am I the crazy one here?
Am I the one that's paranoid? Am I the one that's, you know, and I, and I boil it down to really simplistic things like there is, there's no way that I can, I can go on the other side of the concept that an 8 year old should be advocated to have surgery or take medication because they're not the sex they were born with. I mean something as simple as that. But that's quite radical. Which is radical? Which one to to believe that to
have to have children? To have your view in which you are opposed to it because the normalisation of it is what's going on and so your push back is what makes you radical. Right to to that group of people, it's radical, yeah, but it just like what you're saying that the term oscillates back and forth depending on who's saying it. But. And you could say that about conspiracy or you could say that about a lot of things.
It's or truth even, you know, facts are rat are, you know, dependent on who is defining them. But there's a, there's a, an untruth in that. You know, now how people use the word radical, I, I don't know. I mean, obviously it's, it's probably deviating from the actual definition of it in the dictionary.
But yes, you know, you were a radical if you were in Nazi Germany and, and was Jewish or believed or, or was not Jewish but believed that the Nazi idea of exterminating or not, the people didn't necessarily know that's what was happening. But you know the the negative perception of Jews. If you didn't believe in that, you were radical.
Yeah, but also also sorry, but similarly, the negative perception of Nazi Germans, because we have to, we have to establish what what was real at the time and, and, and, and it's not just that it's any form of history. Look at South Africa, for example, right, because we had apartheid. So therefore the black population was oppressed for a few decades by a white minority. That creates the perception that I, as a white South African, hate blacks. Well, you're guilty by
association. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the same thing going back to the Trump thing. Anybody that doesn't think Trump is, is somebody to hate is, is somehow sick, you know, hates, hates blacks and and homosexuals and whatever because the perception is, is that Trump hates those people too, which which I don't think is true. But you know, we're getting, we're getting into like objective truth.
It's like, what is that? And I think it boils down as you reduce it and reduce it and reduce it, it does boil down to two kind of basic values of life and, and decency and whatever. And there are of course people that even argue with that. I mean, you know, the, the Nietzsche concept of, of creating your own morality. You know, what is morality? I mean, what's good for the for the snake is not good for the mouse. You know it's, but it's like.
That's why I sorry for interjecting, but that's why I tend to make the argument that I don't know if you agree with me, but I'll make the argument that it's very good. It's very healthy to have a belief in something outside of of the material. I I absolutely agree. In fact, I think that's one of the primary reasons why we're in the mess we're in is because the agenda is made great effort over many years in the West at least, to remove any kind of spiritual
faith or or you know, religion. But that that removal of faith gets replaced with the belief in the state, for example, or exactly in the in the in the democratic authorities. Yeah, exactly. I mean, Young said this years ago. He said that that God is an, is an archetype that that we will relate to. And if we remove God, then you're going to relate to some other power or authority, whatever it might be.
That probably isn't a good idea. At least God is like, you know, it's like you can't really nail it down. Like God isn't an authority in the in the sense. And that's a lot of reason I hear all the time that people don't believe in God is because they say, wow, it's just another authority. And it's like, well, do you, do you believe in sticking your finger in a light socket?
And they go, no. And then I go, well, so you think electricity is an authority over you, You, you think it's, it's a boss, it's telling you what to do. And they go, no. And I go, well, then why don't you stick your finger in the light socket? It's like, you know, do you think that electricity has power over you? Well, yeah. OK. I mean, it's the same same kind of thing. I mean, of course it's different. But yeah, you know, the, the rules of God are, are just common sense rules.
It's like, if you want to have a shitty life, then go do this, this, this, you know, and, and you will. It's like God isn't going to punish you, you're just going to have a shitty life. Yeah, but I mean, you were touching on something that I've been thinking about also. So, you know, I've, I've had David Ike on my show a few times and I like David and I like some of his, I like some of his views
too. But I really, really take issue with, with his sort of anti religious position because, because it, it requires A remarkable amount of hubris to think that you, you are powerful enough to, to be in full control. And and that's one of the things that I think is, is beautiful about belief, faith is that it does, it does force a sense of humility on you. Absolutely, yeah. And I'm not that familiar with David Icke's work to even know that about him.
I wasn't aware of that. Well, he says that religion is a is a control mechanism. Well, religion is, I mean religion, you know, we're and this is something people always conflate religion and, and belief or faith or, you know, spirituality, because that's, that's a catch phrase.
It's not the same. Religion is an organisation organised by people in order to, at its core, at its authentic core, to propagate or to preach or to, you know, whatever a particular idea about what God is or what Jesus is or whatever it might be. That's open to problems and obviously there's been a lot of them over time. It's open to problems and interpretation. It's open to problems of corruption, it's open to problems of, of seizing power and whatever it might be.
Religion isn't the issue, although I think religion is wonderful as a framework for people that believe that can go to church and can, you know, do all the ritual structures of the religion. But it is a problem. Organised religion does have its problems in my, in my view, if you find the right place or the right one or the right group of people, whatever, it may not have as much problem. It's more of a historical problem to me than it is an
active one. But what you said earlier about the humility, it's, it's like the whole concept of, of transhumanism, which is kind of one of the leaders in this whole world. Weirdness that's going on is this idea that we can transcend God's creation, his God's ability to create and to to make the complexity of the world that, that, that energy, whatever you want to call it, call it God, call it whatever you want.
That we can do that ourselves. And we're so far away from anything just because we can build a robot, you know, it's like or AI or whatever. Look what we're doing. We're as good as God, you know, or the medicine thing or whatever is nonsense. And there's such a great, I don't know how familiar you are with the book of Job. There's such AI mean the the kind of the culmination of that, you know, joke gets all pissed off and like saying, why are you
doing this to me? You've destroyed my life. You've done this, you've done that. And he has this, this, this face off with God and God guy. And you know, God, you know, I'm paraphrasing obviously, but God basically says, you know why? You know, you're, you're like one person and and you're like making this big deal out of this shit. It's it's of course God didn't say that, but but it's like, look at all that I've done. Look at look at what I've created.
How dare you even question this. This doesn't have anything to do with you as an individual person. Look at the, look at the, I mean, he goes through, look at the forest, look at the animals, look at the rivers. Look at look at this, look at all of this brilliant creation that I, that I have created. And you're going to focus on this. You know, you're going to get upset with me because I, I killed your family or whatever, you know it. And it's, of course, it's all
metaphorical. It's, it's not literal. Oh, God's a bad thing. You know, he hurt this poor man that really believed in him or whatnot. It's, it's a, it's a metaphor. It's an analogy of, of what it is We focus on that. We judge God by, you know, we judge God by well, if there were, if there was a God, we wouldn't have like childhood leukaemia and we wouldn't have cancer and we wouldn't have God, wouldn't, you know, wouldn't do that. He's, he's hateful and he's this
and he's that. And it's like, you know, the, the whole purpose of of being a being a material being is that we die and that we live for a short period of time and then we die. And it's, it's like that's the material thing. It's that, that's not the importance of it. And most of what God does that people say is shitty, we bring on ourselves. You know, we have, we have free will and we create most of the problem that we complain that God has created for us.
Do you think we have free will? I thought about that also. I'm not sure I. Know that's a big topic. I shouldn't be talking about any of this, I'm just an idiot. You, you, you know, you're throwing out trigger words. Yeah. I know I'm thinking about all your listeners that are going what is? Who does this guy think he is? It's what Noam Chomsky said. You, you have the parameters of acceptable discussion or discourse or I guess by extension movement.
And then you're encouraged to to aggressively move and have discourse within those boundaries so that you think you're free, but you can't go beyond those boundaries. With with what you. Can, but, but with there's a great deal of resistance. Of what there is. A border of a country is a good thing, right? It's it's a good thing. It creates, it creates neighbours. But I'm still saying that by virtue of the fact that somebody's born in North Korea,
how free are they really? Well, within within that context you're 100% correct. But the the the metaphysical perspective is more that we can, we can manipulate matter because matter is an illusion that matter is created. And the only reason why we abide by it is because we're told the story that we have to or that it would be almost impossible not to. Like your story about
travelling. It's like we believe that that is a limitation because it's been put in place and we believe it. We believe it because we see evidence of it clearly over and over and over again. But we believe it and therefore we don't attempt to change something that we believe. And according again, I, I think there's a certain point where we don't die on that hill. You know, it's like there's no point in you walking across the border or, or doing whatever. Like Jesus would walk on the
water. I mean, that's the whole Jesus on the water thing. Who is it? See, I don't know the Bible well enough, but is it Peter or Paul or somebody that that they're on the boats or something? And Jesus says, come over here and he says I can't, I can't walk on the water. And Jesus says ye of little faith, something to that regard. And it's like, what do you expect? I have to have faith that I can
walk on the water. And it's like, well, yeah, you do. If you really believe, if you really believe, you can do anything. If you really believe that that you have free will, then you do you. You don't follow the rules. You don't stop because there's water, you know, and there's a lot of evidence that if you step on water, you'll, you'll sink through it. So it's like, it's a, it's a story that we have reason to believe. Now there's little ones that we can overcome.
You know, I have a lot of clients that have no self confidence. They, they won't go out for a job, they won't go date a woman. They, they won't ask a girl on a date because they're terrified. They're told the story that, you know, blah, blah, blah. Those, those are easier ones say, well, you know, just go do it. It's like there isn't, there isn't a policeman there that's going to like crack him in the head if he goes and asks a girl out on a date. So there's not a lot of evidence
to say other than rejection. No, I don't want to go on a date with you. You're ugly. OK, that's rejection. But they face that over and over and over again and eventually something will come through. So those are easy ones obviously to they're not easy for a lot of people, but but they're they're at least conceptually easy where what you're saying is not, I mean, you know, to break that
story is not easy. But have you tried, have you just walked up to the gate and say I'm going to get on that plane and go, have you tried? No, probably not. I wouldn't either. OK, so but you go, well, maybe something would happen if you truly believed you had to get to Canada and and get on a plane, then maybe something would happen. Maybe the person at the gate would drop dead from a heart attack or something, whatever, I
don't know. Something would happen if you breakthrough that story, that belief. Now this is hypothetical. This is this is a more of a higher up transcendent spiritual belief. Do do you do it is done unto you as you believe. You know, it's the story of walking on the water is the metaphor. I don't think we need to do that. In in every regard in our life. So we don't really have to, you know, exercise our free will. And yeah, I think from a pragmatic point of view, you can
definitely say what you said. We don't really have free will because we can't really do anything we want. Can the guy that was born with no legs, can he go and win the Olympics as a sprinter? You know, no, he doesn't have free will even if he wanted to do that. And also, when does it start? I mean, for example, you know, we have a little child and he doesn't start crying because he chooses to eat, cries because he's hungry or because there's something wrong. He doesn't understand, Will.
It's just an instinctive response. Or if somebody comes up behind you and they stab you in the back, you instinctively respond. You don't act on free will. Yeah, you, you have to go back to, to what we were originally talking about with creating your own reality.
If I'm sitting in a room and somebody tells me stories or if I watch TV shows or reads books about or listen to what you just said about people coming up to you and stabbing you in the back and there's nothing, there's no free will in what you do there, then that's the story. And that's, that's what I'll believe and that's how I'll see it. That's how I'll see it for you. That's how I'll see it for everybody around me because I'm creating that reality through my
own consciousness. And this, this is that that really weird metaphysical idea I'm talking about. So the story is, is what you just said. You can't get on a plane if you're in North Korea. You can't do this. You can't do that if if you know your kids crying, your kid wants, you know, he's not exercising very well and neither are you because you don't want him to be crying and whatnot. But that goes into this idea that we're creating our own reality.
If we created reality where where nobody stabbed anybody, where all borders were free and kids got everything that they wanted, then that would be the reality we would be living in. And I'm not quite sure if that's good. I think it's a terrible. Idea. Yeah, I mean, there, there, there's reason for restriction. There's reason for the story that we can't do anything we want. Well, I mean hierarchy. Sorry, but hierarchy creates order. Yeah. What do you mean?
Like what? What does that with what we're talking about? High Hierarchy creates order. Yeah, and order, Yeah, creates boundaries and parameters. For physical beings, yeah, yeah, I, I mean, this is what I think philosophically we're getting into here is this is this idea of, of why can I, can I curse on your show? Can I use the S word, F word? Why the fuck does it matter if if you know, we're we are material beings that are radically limited just by our materiality.
Unless you think you can recreate your materiality, that you can make yourself a snake or a weasel or whatever in order to to better deal with your environment. You can shape shift. There are people that believe you can. Yeah, right. Exactly. That's that's a good example. But we don't do those things because our higher self is essentially saying no, no, no, you're, you're, you're supposed
to as a physical being. The whole point of being physical and not being ethereal, not being a spirit, which which is where we return and what our true essence is, is to go through the challenge of limitation. You know, that's, that's the purpose that we're limited.
I mean, look at some of these people that are born with no limbs or whatever, some of the stories you hear about these people being able to grasp, grab a hold of life and make these incredible experiences in life with these radical, radical, radical limitations, You know, So I, I agree with you with that. It's like there is there's no point in, in taking your, your ability to, to manipulate matter and get on a plane and go to Canada using that, using that
ability. There's there's no purpose in it. If if you had to get to Canada because you're, you know, you had a child or whatever that was dying there and you being there would save them, you probably would figure out a way to get there, you know, that would not limit you. But there's really no reason to at this point. Does that make any sense? Huh. In all fairness, there's there's no reason for anybody to go to Canada. No, there isn't. Not now.
There isn't actually. You know, it could be a lot worse. This isn't North Korea or any number of places that would be would be a lot worse to be in. But Australia, you know. Yeah. A friend of mine said that being in Canada is like being on the first boat that hit the beach in Normandy. It's like they're going to be the first one that gets mowed down, you know, with all that's going on.
And that's probably true. So. Yeah. We've been chatting very philosophically, but I mean, that's your shtick. That's, that's what you do shrew, shrew views is, is a, is like a, it's like a sort of philosophical, psychological take on on reality in the world around us. And you've got a book out, haven't you? Yes. Sir, it's coming out on Monday where you can get it, if you can see that that's the book, The View of the Shrew. We're all shrews, all of us on
this side of the fence. I, I named us that and that's my sub stack at shrewviews.com. And we do, you know, I, I appreciate you calling it philosophical. I don't consider myself a philosopher at all. I but I think it's more philosophy and psychology from a layman's perspective, really, even though I'm a professional psychologist or psychotherapist, it's still, it's still my take as a, as a layman, as a person on what's going on.
And the interesting thing is that when I first started writing, I thought, why would anybody be interested in, in what I'm having to say? And the number one comment I get from the people that read my work is I was just thinking the same thing this morning. And thank you so much for putting it into the words you put it into because it makes so much sense and it resonates with, with what I'm thinking.
And that's it. That's, that's what drives me to write because every time I write, I go, Gee, I wonder who out there is thinking this too? And so it's it's been very, very rewarding in that sense. But I think it matters also, you know, something that I've learned from the COVID era is the profound unreliability and inconsistency of materialism. Well, that's interesting because that's, that's my experience as well. And I think it's a lot.
It's like all of a sudden you go, what about that, you know, is, is that, is that true? I've always thought it was. And then you start to look into it and you start going, you know, it probably wasn't. And that's that's a strange awakening because it's not, it's not based on just, oh, that's contrary. Oh, this is contrary to what everybody thinks. So it must, it must not be true. It's based on evidence. You look into it and you start like going, I never thought of that.
That's absolutely doesn't make sense. How, how did they do blah, blah, blah. And then you go, because you take everything for granted. It's, it's like, oh, sure, you know, it happened. So they must have figured it out. And, and then when you, when you go, well, maybe it didn't happen and you start looking and you realise they didn't figure it out. And like the moon landing is a good one. You know, my, my new theory with the moon landing is that they, they, and this isn't my theory.
This is just an idea that they did actually land on the moon, but they didn't have the technology to let everybody know that to like have like the cameras and all that. And they go, but we've got to let everybody know we're there.
So let's make that part up. Let's let, let's do a film of them walking around on the moon and let's make all that crap up so that we can prove or we can pretend like we're proving that people were actually there and it all backfired on them that it's like, whoa, no, this is all fake. And well, we actually did land. But I. Mean it's hard. We all know that the Earth is flat and the moon is just plasma. That's right. Exactly.
Yeah, it's it's fake. We don't know what's on the other side of it. So who who knows what's over there? By the way, have you seen that movie? I think it's an Apple movie. It's called Fly Me to the Moon. Moon came out a year ago with Woody Harrelson and Scarlett Jansen. And I forget now as a Channing Tatum.
I think it's very good. And and the reason why I say that is, is that it's the first movie in the mainstream Hollywood sense with a list actors and a big budget that actually entertains the idea that the moon landing was a hoax. Really. Yes. Is does it do it comedicly? I mean, it doesn't make it fun. Yes, it basically makes makes their side look ridiculous and there's a count show, but the point is, is that it nonetheless entertains the idea. And it's it's a big portion of the movie.
And that guy, that guy who is the clown is Woody Harrelson. And and it's such, it's such a good spin to the moon landing Apollo mission story. I would strongly recommend watching it. Oh, definitely. I'm going to check that out. That's very cool, because remember, that's very cool. As opposed to simply not even entertaining the idea, Entertaining the idea is now opening the gate. Right.
It it particularly if if the truth is the thing people are starting to believe that they didn't believe before. And you know what is truth? OK, well, in the material world, there is an objective truth. Now, you can get into the metaphysical crap we've been talking about and say, well, there really is no truth, you know, because of everything's
manipulated. But in the material world, at least a story that you and I, and I guess most every other person, if they're real, adhere to, there is a truth. You know, there is a truth about 911. There is a truth about Kennedy and whatever. And if that truth was covered up through government manipulation or whatnot, and most people didn't didn't see the truth, then what you're describing is that people are waking up to the truth. They're not, they're not
changing their story. They're just that the story does change, but they're not just changing their story. Now there's a lot of people I believe that are coming to the truth with no evidence. They're they're not actually seeing the evidence. They're just following the trend. Oh, Gee, did you know that, you know, all kinds of people are believing now that Kennedy was not assassinated the way that we always thought. But they don't actually go in and say, Gee, I wonder why
people are thinking that. And look at it. They're just going along like they did before with the consensus of, of what people are saying or what movies are saying or whatever, which is better than the other way. Obviously, you know, you can propagandise the truth. You can, you can cause people to believe the truth the same way you can cause them to believe a lie. You know, it's the same method. You know, if you don't look at evidence, you're following the pack.
And that's better than the other way. I mean, it's better than following the pack for a lie or an untruth, so. You're touching on epistemology though, the theory of knowledge. Why do you believe what you believe? This is a conversation I had recently with Peter Boghossian, who wrote a great book called How to Have Impossible Conversations, and he argues that facts don't really matter, what matters is why people believe what they believe. Well, ultimately that's true.
I mean, obviously, ultimately that's true. I still believe, and maybe you do too, even though I'm talking about this weird metaphysical stuff. I, I still do believe there's an objective reality. And I knew you asked that question around at the beginning. I wish you washed around it. But I, you know, I, I don't think we can really function through life, at least easily, as easy as as possible without
believing that. I mean, I, I have to believe if I walked out in the street or if I walked out onto the water, I would sink. You know, I'm, I am of little faith according to Jesus. So I, I do believe there's an objective reality. Now coming to that is what you're saying. It's like, if I don't believe it
is that as powerful? Like if I, if I don't believe in the assassination, say as, as actually really happened, that is more powerful for me that I believe something that isn't true is. And I think that's what you're what you're coming to with that, right? That, yeah, in my personal life, and I deal with this every day. I mean, the the stuff that I deal with with clients is, is a departure from objective reality. It's it's, it's an insistent that subjective reality is the
truth. And that sometimes is true, but often it's not. I'll give you a good example. Just one final example, because I'm just checking the time contagion is one that I have focused a lot on since about halfway through the COVID era. You know, can you give me
something and make me sick? And it's one reason why those people get sick then when they're around somebody else who's sick, they, they, they self prove their belief because of a, of a more, you know, placebo like effect or nocebo effect that, that if they believe they're going to get sick, if they're around somebody who has a cold, then they're more likely to get a cold. I'm in the same place with you with that. And I haven't, I haven't done
enough research. There's a common sense element to me about pathogens and about the transference of bacteria and parasites and various things like that, that just fit the world view of nature. You know, it just makes more sense to me that you can spread a disease. And, and I, I think that I think what's good it's going to come down to is that it's partially true and it's partially false.
And I think that science, quote unquote, whatever the medical industry, whatever has run with it for monetized reasons, run with this pathogen spreading pathogen thing, you know, blah, blah, blah. So I don't think it's, it's quite as true as they want everybody to think it is. And I'm very much on the fence with the virus thing. I'm very close to believing that that the virus idea is, is not
accurate. But you know, the whole bubonic plague with fleas, and I mean, did, did fleas actually have a pathogen in them that they bit people from being on rats and whatever. It just makes sense. Now there are people that argue that that say the whole bubonic plague thing was a hoax and was bullshit and why not so. What you're saying is a good thing because what you're saying actually is what science is about. It's about questioning all the time and not just grammatically
accepting. The difference is, is that we're being, well, maybe it's not that big of a difference, but we're being driven by an agenda there. There is an agenda there that says, hey, it's the, it's the our better interest that everybody believed this. You know, that we will be able to control it better if everybody believed this. And you know, you could say with the medical industry's always had an agenda because there's money involved, big pharma, whatever. And that's true.
The king 102 hundred years ago has an agenda. But those are more obvious manipulations, you know, then then what we're seeing now. What we're seeing now is cloaked in deception. And that's the bad part. That's the reason why people have to wake up. It's easier to wake up 100 years ago because people thought they went, oh, that's weird. I it doesn't make any sense. You know, they're common sense. Told them no, it doesn't make
any sense. And so they actually, and this is something I think David Ike talks about a lot with the manipulation, indoctrination of education. It's like we're taught not to think, and so be it. Todd, how can I follow your work? Go to shrewviews.com www.shrew Like the little animal views all one word and if you're interested in the book, go to Amazon and look for it. The view of the shrew clever or book stop by Todd Hayon slash Todd Hayon. It'll be there on the 30th on Monday.
I would love it. I would love to see anybody new come to the I mean we have a community there that is that is the primary focus of shrew views. My writing is kind of the thing that gathers people, but it's the comments. I comment all the time. I'm always engaged with people commenting and, and everybody is everybody that's there is we're all of like mine, which is kind of strange to think about. I mean, it's really weird that so many people on this side of things all think the same.
They all pretty much agree on at least the major, the major things. So it's nice and isolation is one of the biggest problems that we're dealing with now is, is this. And that's why what you do is is so important and anything in the alternative news media is, is so radically important because the the mainstream is captured. Of course, that's obvious. It's it's like it's not going to give you anything that's consistently accurate. So thank you for what what you're doing and what you've
always been doing. I mean, you're the man, so. Thanks, Todd. And with that, Todd hey, and thank you for joining me in the trenches. Thank you, guys. Take care. Thank you, Jeremy.