None. Flat Earth. Dave, thank you for joining me in the trenches. Hey Jerem, thanks for having me back. Looking forward to the discussion. It's always as we were just discussing this topic is I think the most important topic of of all time. But if you don't understand what Flat Earth is and and are just programme with what you're told that it is, it seems like the dumbest thing on the world. Why waste time talking about it? Why is it the most important topic?
Well, if you don't know where you live, who you are, what this place is, what our history is, the true power that we have. If you think that you're disconnected in a random universe, you evolved from Ponscam in an ever expanding ridiculous helio nonsensical system and you don't understand that we truly are at the centre of creation and there is much, much more here. I think that's just the beginning. That's a good start.
So you know it. Literally living on a globe belief, I call it the globe religion is it stops you from living to your full potential. But I'm doing pretty good. You know I've got a good job. I get 2 weeks off every year to go on vacation, you know, and I'm only paying 30% in taxes instead of 40. If you understood what this place is, none of that would would matter. It would be it would be completely different. This place is an amazing centre of creation.
We all have incredible powers that are being hidden from us. There is unlimited resources and everything we're being shown is a lie. And you know, if I'm sure we're on the same page on the mainstream media, all the stuff they show us is complete and total nonsense. Everything. It's all a stage, from politics to news stories to, you know, everything.
It's all, it's all a show. And the way they get rid of it, the way, the way, excuse me, the way they get away with it is they've convinced us that we're spending out of control, lost in space, and that we're nothing. And so if you if you don't have a good foundation, you can believe that breathing our grandma will kill her. You mentioned creation a couple times. Well, a lot of people say, oh, are you religious? Are you, you know, is it a really a spiritual thing? It absolutely is not.
It's a it's a, it's an understanding of the true reality of our world. But the question is, you know, what is our world? This is a spiritual place. We are in a spiritual war. The, the people, and I'll put people in quotation marks that are running this place are doing it for energy. It's all an energy exchange. They they literally are after our energy. We are you can look at the movie The Matrix. It's more of a documentary than a fantasy movie.
So yeah, it is a spiritual war. Our, there are our souls, if you will, are under attack. They're being used to, I guess what's the word I'm looking for, feed evil. Once you understand, you know how they control us. And, and it's very, actually very simple. The way they control us, the only way they control us is through fear, right? So fear, false evidence appearing, real FEAR is the is the way that controls. If you are in fear, you are giving your energy away.
The truth is there's nothing to be afraid of. We are at the centre of creation there. This place is abundant, safe, and we have amazing abilities on every level from health, wealth, thriving, everything. So yeah, it is a spiritual war. And people say, well, you know, a lot of a lot of Christians are, are flat earthers. Sure. Well, find any group. There's a lot of Christians in almost any group. But it that's not what makes you a flat earther.
What makes you a flat earther to me is the science, the science of what this place is. People that believe in the globe don't know what they're defending. They don't know their own model. You ask them what the radius is, the circumference is, the speed, how that it's orbiting, the fact that it's chasing the sun, that they don't even know how far the sun is, how big the sun is, how those those things are figured out. They don't know any of it, but they'll still defend their position.
So they're literally defending a religion that they don't know anything about. And flat earthers know more about the heliocentric globe religion than the people that defend it. Because that's how we became flat earthers. If you understood the system that they tell you you live in, you would become a flat earther.
Because it's ridiculous. As far as I understand Dave, historically people did believe that Earth is flat, from I think Egyptian cosmology to Mesopotamia to even ancient Greece. I think Homer himself argued that Earth was flat. They've been, you know, we're, we're taught that Earth is that, that Flat Earth has been disproven 2000 years ago by Eratosthenes, which is ridiculous. We, if we, we can look at that if you want. But they were teaching Flat
Earth into the 1900s, the 1900s. I met a woman named Ruth at an old age home. She was 102 years old. And I was interviewing her about the world's fairs. And she, she, she had been to the world's fairs and it was amazing. And she had such a sharp memory and everything. And I said, hey, when you were in elementary school, what did they teach you about the earth? Only thing I said, and she goes, they taught me the earth was flat. And I was like, really?
And then I said that. And then afterwards they told her it wasn't flat and she just believed them. And, and when I told her that the earth was flat and that we are at the centre of creation, she literally broke down in tears. It was, it was absolutely amazing. And this, that's a short, quick little story. This, this video started going went viral, but it was uploaded to hundreds, hundreds and
hundreds of channels. And I told everybody we need to go to old age homes right now and find people that are over 100 years old that still have their wits about them and interview them about what they were taught in school. And then a couple days later, this was in 2020, the the lockdown happened and all old age, old age homes worldwide were shut down. Some people say that could be my
fault, but I don't know. But the thing for me, Dave, that makes this topic so interesting is the fact that it is it is treated like a circus act, and that's probably by design. 100% that there there is a I mean besides all the bots out there, there's paid agents out there that they're all working together to to shoot down every video. You'll notice here when you post this video, the bots will show up before the flat earthers will show up.
The paid trolls will show up and the way you can tell is you look at all of the pro, you know, hey, Dave's on, you know, this is good and check out this proof in that video. These are from real accounts. You look at the people, they have videos and everything. You go to the accounts that just say, oh, Dave's a grifter and and you know, you're, you're being scammed. Everything look at their accounts empty. Nothing, no, nothing. There's people that have been following me around for 10
years. They still have 0 content on their channel. So these are, you know, these are paid people to dissuade people from looking farther. And you, by the way, you know, negative comments and stuff work. People read the negative comments and they're influenced by them. So that's what they do. The point I was making earlier is that for the longest time people did believe Earth is flat. So when did this change and why?
Well, it was changed by the Rockefellers when they took over the I, I would say it happened when they took over the education system. I think it was in 19-O2 And they were, they, they literally removed the AE map out of the, out of, you know, all the libraries in the 1950s and they stopped teaching that. And the reason they, so the, the question is why? Yes. Why? Yeah, why?
Why did they do it? Because if you knew where you lived, if you knew who you were, if you knew that there's more probably more land, probably more places to go. You can't be controlled. But they have us in an invisible fenced farm where we don't pull, You know, where we think that's it. There's there's nothing else, right? They, they have us believing that we live on this ball where where there there is no more.
For example, they if you take hold on, let me just pull this up. So here, here's the map. Let me pull this up. There you go. Here's the map. This is the map that was in all encyclopaedias schools. They were teaching on it. This is the called the AE map. And what they did is they cut it out and they wrapped it around a ball and they said you're not allowed to go to this white area at the bottom because the Penguins, we can't disturb the Penguins and the ice, right?
You're, you're not, you're, you're not allowed to go here, right? So think about that. What, what could be beyond there? What if we did that to Australia, right? What if we told Australians they can no longer, they can't go 500
miles off their shoreline. So we draw a circle around that and anytime they get out there, the military stops them since stop, you can't go out here, disturb the Penguins, the migration routes, and they wouldn't know about Europe, Africa, Russia, America, they would know about anything. And you wrap that around the ball and teach them that's where they live. Think about that for us. Think of the world as a much, much bigger place, right? It could be, it could be anything.
Again, we don't wait. Last thing, we don't know what's beyond 60° S. There's no independent exploration, free exploration beyond 60° S. Why is that? Why do all the countries in the world agree upon that? Yeah, I've also wondered that the Antarctic Treaty. Yeah.
The Antarctic Treaty in 1959, I think they, they all of a sudden all the countries in the world agreed that nobody can explore Antarctica. It was supposedly right after Admiral Byrd went out to Antarctica, said he found more land bigger than the United States on the other side of the South Pole. Well, the other side of the South Pole from where he was coming from would be in between Africa and Australia. Well, I think that somebody
would see something know about land bigger than the United States. You know, it's, it's, it's quite, it's quite interesting, you know, And then they also, it's called Project High Jump because the shoreline of Antarctica, at least where they went, was way higher than the ocean, right? So if you look at the average elevation of all the countries in the world, Antarctica is over twice the height of #2 So large bodies of water need
containment, right? You can't bring me a gallon of water without a container, right? Right. Water at rest lies flat. So think of the world as a giant pond, and Antarctica is the shoreline of our pond. Now, does the shoreline of Antarctica go all the way around? I actually don't think so anymore. I think that it goes out beyond where they're telling us. And maybe there's other Suns out there, heat sources. But again, that's just speculation because we're not
allowed to go there. We don't need to speculate what's beyond 60° S or what's over our heads that we can't verify to tell us the shape of the Earth. We can measure the shape of the Earth because they gave us the radius. They gave us the radius. So we can use their claims to disprove their disprove, you
know, their claims. But now, I mean, you've obviously heard loads of attempted counter arguments like, well, what about Pythagoras and, and, and of course you know, the people who came after him. Like Eratosthenes. Yeah, and. Yeah, well, these are all people that. Have you ever met any of them? All right, there's people in today's news that I don't even know are real. I mean, we don't even want to get into the Charlie Kirk situation, right? So I don't even know if any of
these people existed. But think about this. Eratosthenes. Eratosthenes. He's the guy that said, well, you know, the sun's so far away that the light rays come in parallel. No one's ever seen parallel light rays, right? And he didn't experiment with his sticks and shadows. Whether it's a well or sticks, the story just keeps changing. And, you know, he measured no shadow where he was.
And his friend 500 miles away that figured out he was 500 miles away because he walked and counted his steps. And somehow they knew how to take the measurement at the exact same time and communicate with each other. And he had a shadow. Well, if the sun was ever so far away, you know, was infinitely far away, 93,000,000 miles, the only way you'd have a shadow is if the earth was curved. And that's what Carl Sagan put into our brains and and
everything. But on a Flat Earth with a small local sun, you got the light here, no shadow. You have a shadow here. You can do the same math Eratosthenes did on a Flat Earth and tell you tell us that that that this is curved and it's not. So again, they used Eratosthenes story, which is a ridiculous story to say that the Greeks figured out 2000 years ago and then nobody ever cheques to verify it. This does not prove Flat Earth. It works on both.
That that's that sun distance of 93,000,000 miles. I mean, it's such an absurd number anyway, but what is then the Flat Earth distance? And then and in that case, what is the sun? Those are great questions. So first thing is falsification, when you falsify something is independent of replacement, right? You could say, hey, I'm, I've got, I've got 10 gallons of water in this cup. Well, you can figure out that that's impossible. You can falsify it.
And then you can't say, well, where's the 10 gallons? You know, like until you show me where the 10 gallons is, you know, you don't have to replace something. I don't know if that was the greatest example, but we don't know how far the Sun is. We don't know what the sun is. And neither do heliocentric people, right? They tell us the sun is made out of 99% helium and hydrogen that
defy gravity on Earth, right. Helium and hydrogen to fly gravity put in a balloon, it goes up and gas violently fills the available space. And we can prove that with vacuum chambers, right? We, we can put, let's say we put a where is it? We put a football. Let me see if this yeah, in a, in a vacuum chamber and the gas explodes, it wants to escape, right. So when you put gas in space, it doesn't collapse upon each other upon itself to create a sun. It expands, but for some reason
the gases collapsed into a sun. The sun burns like 640 billion tonnes a day or a minute or whatever. It's something ridiculous for billions of years and never gets any smaller. The gravity of the helium and hydrogen that defy gravity, which is a gas in space, which defies natural law, somehow can hold on to Pluto, but doesn't affect our moon, right. The entire gravitational model is absolutely absolute nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
The moon thing is confusing because what what what What the argument therefore is, is that the gravity of Earth is stronger than the gravity of the Sun. Well, the the the argument they give is the moon is closer to the Earth, therefore the Earth's gravity outweighs the sun's gravity. Some kind of just skirts around our gravity and goes and holds on to Pluto, which we can't even see, right? It's stupid. Here's the thing. The reason you can't figure it out, it's you're, you're not
stupid. It's stupid, right? And because you can't figure it out, you, you were like, well, you know, I don't understand that. You know, the guy with the bow tie with the lab coat, He, he, he told me. So I have to believe it. I have to believe it. So the reason you can't figure out lots of the stuff is because it's stupid. The heliocentric, I call it the Helio nonsensical model is
literally stupid. And when you finally can see it, you know you have to lay down your ego your entire life before you could reason. You were taught about the globe in kindergarten. They're they're having on your birthday, you, you, you, you take your birthday cake and you March around the sun. You, you circle the sun. They're literally in in indoctrinating you into these beliefs. So it's the foundation of your world. Because if it's the foundation of your world, you have no foundation.
You're spinning, whirling and twirling out of control and you'll never get a a good footing to realise where you are. I mean, if you stand on, I don't know, the side of a, of a, of a huge lake and it's a very still day, that water sits dead still like it looks like a mirror. It doesn't move at all. Yeah, yeah, it, it's it. And at the same time, you know, and at the same time, if I fly on an aeroplane, I often look out the window at the horizon
and it looks very straight. There's two things to that. So let's let's talk about that. If you, if you look, if you look out the window first, the windows curved. All right, let me just get a balloon shot here. So first the windows curved. So you do see a little curvature, but you'll see that when you're sitting on the ground. Also, when you look out, let's say you're looking out over calm water, you're looking
straightforward. You only see a certain amount of distance before the sky in the ground ramp together. You, you, you see, you only see so far. Do you understand, you know the, the limitation of your eyes let's you see so far. So it's supposed to be 3 miles, right? A six foot tall person shouldn't be able to see the surface of the water beyond 3 miles. But we, we can, we can see far, far, far, far beyond that which
is which is which is it? It falsifies the globe, but the, the globe at the dimensions that they give us. But when you look over at 1:00 two o'clock 3:00, you, you see the same distance to the horizon, the, the sky will converge. So that's creating a big circle around you. Do you understand? Yeah. It's create, it's creating a a flat circle. And then your indoctrination will tell you that that is, that is that that's. The curvature of the Earth here. Here's an example I was looking
for. So talking and looking at the same time. So you could say, well, that looks really flat. But if you saw could see farther to side and side, you are seeing in a circle because you can see the same distance in all directions. So I'll put a guy here, I'll put the horizon line there. I'm going to take it out. We're going to take an A top down view and there's his 12:00. So that distance is shorter than those two distances. Well, his horizon is optical.
It's not a physical place, it's an optical limitation of your eyes. So in reality, that's the horizon that he sees in all directions the same distance. So they'll say that's curvature, right? So you're looking at an aeroplane, you're looking at the horizon. You got the curved window screwing you up. You have your range of view that'll make you see a curve. But if you can see through that and understand what you're seeing, you'll be like, Oh yeah,
it is flat. But it's a hard argument to get for somebody that really thinks the Earth is a globe because this is what they're seeing and they are seeing a curve. And when you put a tangent line across that you it it it shows the the curve of the horizon that you see. You suggested that that there's something beyond the Antarctic. So let me preface this by saying we don't know what's beyond 60° S, right? We're only allowed to go to this purple line, right? So we don't know what's out
here. Is there more land? Is there more oceans? Are there are there other ponds? We don't know, but I do like to speculate about it. So what if the world was set up like this? Right here we are, America, South America, Australia, right? We live here in the middle. This would be the ice of Antarctica, the land of Antarctica, whatever. Antarctica could just be a couple of of continents out here. And because the sun, our sun that pivots in and out never gets close enough.
It's just frozen. But out here is more land. Could be, I don't know if I had to bet on it. I think there is more land beyond 60° SI think. I think, you know, some people say on Flat Earth the Dome comes down in Antarctica. Could be, don't know, right? Or maybe there's another million miles before the Dome comes down or more, right? Another million miles would make a lot of room for a lot of different scenarios.
This is an old map that was found in a Buddhist temple, 10 centuries old, and it was published in 19 O7 in Hawaiian magazine. And it's showing all these other continents out there, right? Take that, take this map, wrap it around a basketball, and all of this stuff out here would be crunched up at the bottom. And they say, oh, that's Antarctica, right? There are no pictures of Antarctica from space, so let's let me let me pull that up. I'll show you a view. Google anyone listening.
You could just Google Antarctica from space. I don't use Google by the way, Dave. OK, well, you can use whatever you want. Antarctica. Good for you. Good for you. And that there's it's it's tough to get good results out there. Antarctica from space. Here we go. So this is what you get. It's all cartoons. But but what about what about the places that aren't cartoons on Google Earth?
They're all those pictures are taken from high flying aeroplanes, you know, making grids across the world and stitching them all together. Google Earth didn't add curvature until I think 2001, right? Google Earth was flat until 2001 where they added curvature. Maybe it was even 2003, I'm not sure, but they take pictures. So if you go on Google Earth, anywhere you zoom in out, there's my house, I recognise that zoom out, there's my town, there's everything. It's looking good.
And all of a sudden it switches to cartoons at a certain altitude. Good cartoons like high res cartoons, but it's you can tell it just switches to cartoons. Wait a minute, if this is from space and they can get a zoom in of my house, why does the interim above a certain altitude in between the how come that has to be a cartoon? Why is why? Why can't they zoom? Why can't they show us the whole thing all the way in? Because it's all fake. You said Dome.
Is that what is above us? I don't know. But again, you know, I think that the we are contained. I think that we are contained. So you're breathing air right now, right? Of course, right. And as we talked about, air has to be contained, right? You can't bring me 5 lbs of air or helium or hydrogen without a container. And if we, if we had a box of air says I got a lucite box, I seal it up and then I suck all the air out of the room. I have a box of air inside a
vacuum. I put a hole in the top, bottom or side violently, that air is going to equalise into the room, right? Absolutely, absolutely. And when I'm hearing something the the air, the air will violently seek equilibrium. But people will say, well, gravity's holding it down to the Earth, gravity's holding the air down. Well, I can disprove that because was supposedly our high pressure atmosphere is adjacent to a 17 Tor vacuum, which is an ultimate vacuum, right?
We can't even create a vacuum that's strong here on Earth because you know that. But NASA has a vacuum chamber. The walls are like 10 feet thick of concrete and iron and they can't even get it to that, to a, to a full vacuum because it'll collapse. It'll collapse on itself, right? So I can take a straw, put it in my mouth, point it downwards towards gravity and I could pull air and liquid up and away with the tiny, tiny low pressure system of my mouth.
That's that, that disproves gravity holding air down. So there has to be some sort of containment. Is it a glass Dome? Is it a energetic Dome? The way I look at it is there's different levels of our existence. There's there's heavens above, there's heavens above. And they're they're lighter densities. We are living on this electric plane, if you will let me show you. We're living in, in this toroid on oops, that's not what I wanted on this, on this plane of inertia.
That looks something like this, in my opinion. Where the heck did it go? There it is. It looks like something like this in my opinion. Whoops. Why isn't that showing? Sorry, there we go. So we live here. This is the most dense, right? The luminaries are all up here in the heavens above, and there's different layers of density above us. Could be an energetic layer to us. At this 3D dense level that we are, it could seem solid like a bug landing on top of the water.
The surface tension seems solid to that bug. But to us, you know, we can just go right through that surface tension. So it might be solid to us. Maybe it's maybe it's just energetic. I couldn't tell you because I haven't been there.
I haven't touched it. There's lots of speculation in my app on the and the frequently asked questions page about Antarctica. If you go to the Antarctica section right here, there's stuff about sky ice, which is very, very interesting topic where people, the scientists in Antarctica were experimenting on this blue ice, sky blue ice. And it's so cold that they can't even transport it off Antarctica because it disappears. It doesn't melt.
It's kind of like dry ice that goes from a solid to a gas. But this go, this just shrinks and shrinks and shrinks until it's gone. And it's lighter. Yeah. And it's light. You you look at the block and you pick it up, you're like, whoa, it's way lighter than you would think. They say it's frozen oxygen. I don't know. Again, I haven't been there, but there's all sorts of interesting information about it if you look into it. OK, So what if I look up at night?
What am I looking at then? Great question. So I can't tell you what you're looking at, but I can tell you what you're not looking at. We'll get into that in a second. So stars are, you know, our consumer optics have outgrown their lives, right? When you look up at the stars, where where are you located in in the States? No, I'm in South Africa. Oh, you're in South Africa, so when you look up, I don't know the stars that you see there.
But when you look up, there's all different stars here. We have one here called Arcturus that we can see in the north. And I'll talk about why you see different stars in a second. Does that look like a burning ball of gas hundreds of trillions of miles away? Right. If people understood the distances that they want to tell us that these stars are, it is absolutely, absolutely insane.
Here's 1. So let's talk about what a star is. The closest star to Earth, according to NASA, is. I forget the name of it but it's 4 1/2. Light year Proxima Centuria I think. OK, it's 4 1/2 light years away, right? 4 1/2 light years. That's the light distance. Light takes 4 1/2 years to get from that Stardust. 4 1/2 years at at 1100 and 86,000 miles a second or whatever they say the speed of light is, right times 4 1/2 years. That's 25 trillion miles, right?
The closest *25 trillion miles first. Do you know how long how big a trip 1 trillion is? Like how long is 1 trillion seconds? Did I ask you this last time? How long? How long do you think 1 trillion seconds? I don't know. If you guess it within five days, I'll give you a Bitcoin. I don't know. I. Can't guess that it's too big. It's 31,000 years. OK, just let that sink in. 1 trillion seconds is 31,000 years.
So if you and I got in a spaceship and we're going to that closest star, Elon gives us a rocket. It goes a mile per second faster than anyone's ever gone. We've travelling for 31,000 years. We got to do that 24 more times before we get there. But you know what? Elon's a good buddy of mine and he's going to give me the rocket goes 100,000 miles an hour, right? Awesome. It's only going to take us 28,000 years to get there,
right? So when you start looking at the distances they tell us things are, it doesn't make any sense. Let's talk about the sun for a second. The sun is 860,000 miles wide. So if you compared that to the Earth, the sun would be a yoga ball and the Earth would be a BB. Sound about right?
Yeah, I think so. OK, so if you were standing out at noon and we brought the sun to one mile over your head, you'd be standing on that BB with the yoga ball a millimetre over your head, and you look up the entire sky would be the sun, correct? Just for correct. So we move it 93,000,000 miles away, or 8 light minutes, which is 93,000,000 miles. It's now the size of a coin held at arm's length, the same size that we see it. You with me? Yes.
So it reduced in size that much? If we doubled the distance, do you know how much smaller it would be? The answer is half the height, half the width, which would be 1/4 of the size. So at double the sun's distance, it's about the size of a pencil eraser held at arm's length. If we doubled it again to four times, it would now be the size of a star, pretty much. It's getting pretty small.
If we doubled it again to 8 times, it would be probably too small to see because your eye couldn't resolve it. So 88 times the distance times 8 light minutes, 8 * 864, we'll call that. At a light hour, we probably couldn't see the sun. But let's give the globe the benefit of the doubt. Let's make it 24 light hours away, 24 times farther. Now we can prove that the angular size is far too small for the human eye to see, let alone the brightness issue, which we don't even have to get
into because this debunks space. So at one light day away, we couldn't see the sun. Well, they tell us here in the north we can see the North Star with our naked eye, and there's plenty of other stars that you guys you can see at distances that'll make it even worse, worse. But we can see with our naked eye and they tell us it's 46 times bigger than the sun. Cool. So if I made it 46 light days away, we couldn't see it, right?
Size and variance, right? If I, if I they, they tell us the sun is 400 times bigger than the moon and 400 times farther. That's why they look like they're the same size. Or maybe they're just the same size. So if we make Polaris 46 light days away, we couldn't see it. That's for that's not even 2 light months away. We could not see it. It would be too small. There's no argument. That's not a theory. It's just a fact. But they tell us it's 433 light
years away. That's a little bit more than two light months away. So I've falsified what they're telling us about the stars. Our consumer optics are completely showing us something that's not the case. But Dave isn't isn't part of the official argument that you're not seeing that light immediately. You're seeing the light that existed thousands of years ago. It took that long to arrive. Yeah, that that's what they want to tell us, right? But as light, think about this
as light goes. You hold a flashlight right up to your eyes. It's super bright. Pull away. It's not that bright anymore because the light is spreading out. As that light spreads out, you only have the same number of photons that left. If that's if that's the case and that light is spreading out, getting thinner and thinner and thinner. The analogy I give is take a balloon and it's got like just a little air and it's not stretched out. The rubber is the light.
You blow it up to a foot wide. It's now much thinner. Blow it up to 10 feet wide. That rubber is getting super, super thin. Blow it up to 100 feet wide. Can you even see the rubber anymore? Right, that's the light, the lights spreading out. So the inverse square law tells us that every time you half the distance to a light, it's 1/4 of the brightness. Well that if you do the math on it, it's ridiculous. Just the the math with we see the moon at let's say 1 lumen,
right? If we went to the moon, by the time they got to 100 miles on the moon, the moon would appear brighter than we see the sun from Earth because of the inverse square law. Here's the problem with where I'm going with this. Most people are just tuning out at this point. They can't handle this amount of thinking because they were never taught to think these things through. And the way our mind works, germ
is everything I'm telling you. You're instantly in a, in a microsecond, accessing everything that you were ever told that references this and making an opinion. Make an opinion. And the stuff that you were told, the stuff that gets stored in your subconscious, it gets stored as true or false. The problem is when it's taught by a teacher under the age of seven, it's stored as true. It's started as undeniably true. Did you know, Jerome, that I used to be the president of the United States?
So in 5 minutes, I'm going to ask you, do you know any of the presidents, United States? And you're going to be like, yeah, I could probably name a dozen or five of them, whatever. You could name a few. And David Weiss is definitely not one of them. And that's all going to happen in a microsecond in your head. So you remembered what I said, but you stored it as false information.
OK, the heliocentric system and all of the nonsense with it, they no one that none of you when I say you all of us that you know believe into it never verified is stored as truthful information because it was taught to us by teachers. It was in the textbooks. Why would they lie right? So all of that is stored and all of the foundation of our, our, the way we see the world and the way we figure things out. We're using false information stored as real, as true to
create our reality. And it's just false. Everything is false, right? The the head of the CIA said in the 1960s. He says once everything the American people believe is false, I will know our job is been complete, You know, and decades ago when I heard that, I was like, not everything it is. It is practically everything. It's incredible how fake this world is.
Conversation I was having recently with some people is the moon and a is there an example anywhere on earth of a rock that can shine with that much brightness and give off a shadow? And as far as I can tell there isn't. What is the Moon? Yeah, What is the moon again? That's that's my friend Zack Zambala wrote two children's books, What is the Sun and What is the Moon? And the The thing is, we don't know. I think the moon has to do with
delivering souls to this realm. You know, it's tied to women's menstrual cycles. It you know, when the moon goes into the new moon phase and nobody has ever seen it from anywhere, from aeroplane, from the fake station, from from the Earth infrared, no one has ever seen it. That's impossible during a total solar eclipse where people say, well, the the new moon is right next to the sun, so it's too
bright. Well, during a total solar eclipse, it's blocking the whole sun, the earth shine, right? Because we have moonshine that we can read by that'll cast our shadow on the ground. The earthshine should light up the moon, and it never does. No one has ever seen the moon during an eclipse. So what is the moon? That's a great question. You know, is it spherical? I kind of think it is, but you can't prove that it is. You know, I'm standing right next to this rock.
We were talking about the inverse square law of light. Well, this rock should be so bright. I'm standing right next to it. The sun is shining on it, right? It should be brighter than this rock because I'm 237,000 miles away from this rock. So this one should be thousands of times brighter than this one. This is arguably more reflective too, from what we've seen with the dusty dirty moon, right? So the moon is a light in the sky. It's a light. It behaves like a light.
It looks like a light. OK, So what do you make of this Artemis NASA rocket launch that's about to happen? We're just all speculating on what they're going to do. Are they going to cancel it? Are they going to? Is it going to be AI? Is it just, what nonsense? Are they going to absolutely show us it's complete? Yeah. Well, let me, let me, let me, let me rephrase my question. All the rocket launchers including SpaceX, etcetera, What I mean, what's going on there?
Where are those rockets going? Yeah, well, if you, if you carefully look at any, any rocket launch, they all go right into the into the ocean. So let me just pull this up. I'll say rocket launch. Give me a second. There we go. So they all go up and they curve over and they crash out into here in America, into the Bermuda Triangle. People say, what about the other space agencies? You know, JAXA and RAXA and all these other ones. Guess what?
They all train in Florida. Did you know that at NASA's facility? All the other space agencies train at a NASA facility in Florida. Think they're getting their marching orders right. Space agencies are here to keep us in our heliocentric mental prison. So they go up and they crash down. And then, you know, we could, we could spend a lot of time looking, just looking at the
fakery. Verner Ron Braun, who runs NASA in 1957 wrote a book called Project Mars about a a bunch of people that go to populate Mars and the guy that LED the group in the book. Elon Yeah. And here's Elon going to Mars, right? It's so stupid. Yeah, just a correction, Von Braun, I don't think he ran NASA. I think he was just the head of one one of the divisions. OK, whatever he he was, he was put up high up in NASA. All right. Thanks for the correction.
Yeah, let's let's just look at a couple space XI mean, I mean, if it depends on what you with which ones you look at. I mean, they they have all of their sex symbolism in these rockets. You know, here is here is this thing is going up. This is Elon's testing his Mars rocket. Does this thing look like it's moving? Like where is it going? Look at the smoke coming off of it. This thing is going up. Look at the smoke. It's is that just floating in there? Is it even in the sky is even real?
Like what the heck is this? Let's jump forward a little bit here. It is falling down right some. It's falling down right. It is falling. It's got some smoke coming off of it and it's going to land upright. It's going to land upright somehow. But people did see that though, in real life, Dave. I mean, they who? Who saw it? Well, I don't know anyone personally but but apparently people could go and watch. From a distance now, so there's all sorts of trickery you can
watch from a distance. They could be shooting up something much smaller. They go up, they curve over and you don't get to see where it goes. And then they then you look on TV and you're watching it go into space, right? If you watch these rocket landings, they always land out in the middle of the ocean on a drone ship where with no people on them. And then the IT always cuts out. This is a cartoon from the 60s or 70s or a movie right of the of the landing.
And this is Elon landing and always, always cut, cut just before it lands. It's this landed in the middle of the ocean with these waves and winds. This is like some serious conditions out there. And this thing came out of space and landed on a little raft. You can believe that upright nobody there. By extension, what is the ISS? Israel. Doesn't exist. Yeah, I don't, I don't believe that there is a craft up there. Well, first space doesn't exist.
Space, space doesn't exist. The stuff that they show us from people up there, it's all done in the Hollywood studio. They've even been caught by saying, you know where they were. They're like, well, we're right here in Texas. You're like, wait a minute, you're in Texas. You're moving 17,000 miles an hour. How do you know you're in Texas? I've seen some of those videos with the the hair and all that nonsense. It just doesn't look right.
It does mean it doesn't look right or it looks absolutely ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. So let's. But now I mean, sorry, go on, Dave. Go ahead. No, it's going to just show you. They'll talk about this woman here with her hair. You know, it's like, first, would you let somebody with long hair go live up on a space station? Look what they do for military pilots. They shave their heads. I mean, this stuff that's going to be floating. People are going to be gagging on it.
Then someone's going to vomit. And then there's going to how do you even clean that up in space? It's all, it's all just trickery. These people, why do they have belts in space? Are their pants going to fall down? You've obviously been thrown number of questions that I've asked you, but like it sounds obvious, but what about all the satellites that that supposedly orbit? I love the satellite question, thanks for asking. So satellites though. Have you ever looked up and seen a satellite?
I mean, I've seen things going across the sky at night. That they're going too fast and so we're like those are satellites used to be my favourite thing to do when I when I'd go down the the Caribbean, I'd layout at night and not like there's a satellite I'd watch it go by so cool right. But again, this is based on we have people don't know the angular resolution limits of
their eyes. So satellites are crashing all over the Earth. Although this is this is this is NASA doing a they're recovering a satellite to make a repair on it. I mean, this is this is just 1960s nonsense cartoon, but I'm looking for I'm looking Oh yeah. So NASA, NASA largest consumer of helium in the world launches admits that they launched these satellites on balloons right up to 8000 lbs. They stay up there for years and that's interesting. And there's 10s of thousands of
them up there. So that doesn't mean that there's not satellites, but they that's that's what any saddled any, any satellites that we know of are hanging on balloons. But what about Starlink? This is this is the one that gets everybody. So a bunch of years ago when Starlink started going up, people started seeing these lines go across the sky. I saw it and also. Yeah, I also saw it. Yeah, Yeah, I you also saw it, right? So, OK, I'm just trying to make sure I have the right graphic here.
So I saw it. Well, a Starlink satellite is about the size of a child's school desk, and it's 350 miles up, 3, 150 miles up. So you ever stand next to a 747? It's huge, big plane huge, right. There's a 747 in there. And hard to see in the picture but you can see the shape of the aeroplane. But can you make out the engines? No. Probably can't, right? That's 7 miles up, 7 can't make out the engines, right? You can probably fit a dozen Starlink satellites inside this
engine, right? So you can't see it. If you doubled it to 14 miles up, could you even see the aeroplane? The answer is no, you couldn't. 350 miles up. That's when it's directly above you. When it's over there, it's farther, could be twice as far, and we see those going all the way across. What are we looking at? This right? So great question. Did you know that that Elon bought, I hope I got this right. I don't have the graphic in front of me.
He bought, I think his brother or somebody's biggest drone company in the world. I think that they're drones. I think they're just flying drones up there to make us see these things. Now, you haven't seen that string of satellites in a long time, right? You saw it a couple years ago, I'm guessing? Yeah, it was. It was years ago. Yeah, so, so think about this. That's when they first started putting them up. So there's very few of them. Since then, they've put up 10s of thousands more.
We should be seeing these things every night. Nobody's seeing them anymore, maybe once in a while. So they did this to convince people. Look, satellites are going up. I saw them myself. There's nothing you can say to convince me otherwise, right? So now they've, they've stopped with the, with the fooling that we should be seeing multiple strings every night everywhere, no matter where you are with the number that are up there. So we're not seeing them. The second thing is we couldn't
see them. We falsified the fact that, you know, whatever we're seeing is closer and smaller. You've seen, you know, what they can do with drones making Dragons in the sky. You think they can make a line or a line of white lights going across the sky? That's like the simplest, simplest thing ever. And people are like, well, how does it go for that long? Drones can't fly that long. OK, well, we don't know what battery technology they have, but you know, they can launch
below. They can launch that little satellites from aeroplanes, from the back of cargo aeroplanes. They can. They can. And you'll watch those things. One light will blink out and then another light will come on and they change a little bit right. So, but here's here's the question. What about Starlink surface, satellite surface that actually works right. So the answer is I'm just trying to all right, I found it. So when I'm when I'm on an aeroplane and I have Internet
connections, it's quite amazing. And they keep reminding me that I'm connecting with satellites. Yes. Yeah, so there it used to be, I connected with cell towers, but now I'm connecting with satellites. So here's an aeroplane, here's some, some cell towers on the ground. And this is what used to happen. We just, you just Daisy change just like driving down the road, going from tower to tower to tower. You're, you're no problem, right? But this message pops up on my on my phone.
Let ever know via satellite. This is brainwashing, right? So now they want me to believe and I can't even make it to scale here. So I've got the aeroplane, I've got the satellite and I've got the cell towers.
So they want me to believe that the aeroplane is now sending my signal to a minimum of 350 miles up where that satellite that doesn't have a power source that's falling around the earth, somehow keeping up with the spiral graph, you know, motions of the earth, and it sends my signal down to the tower below the aeroplane. Does that make any sense to you, Jerm? I do struggle with that. Well, you should struggle with it because it's stupid, right?
So the aeroplane sending my signal up and then this battery less battery, less tin can falling in space vacuum is sending it down to a cell tower. That makes no sense.
Now I asked Chat GPTI had a great, I have a great video on it where I said, oh, by the way, the satellite, the Starlink receivers, if you go look up what they used in the Vietnam War, they they talked about how the troops could connect with these AWACS, aeroplanes, and then that would transmit back to Washington because of the curve of the Earth, of course. And that transmitter that the troops use is the same, it's the same equipment as the Starlink from decades ago.
So it's the same equipment. So I said, hey, ChatGPT, if we took Starlink satellites, instead of putting them in the space, we put them in the belly of an aeroplane where they had their own power source and they could be serviced anytime the plane land if something goes wrong. Would that work? And it said that would work really well. The only problem is if there's a big storm and they divert aeroplanes around the storm, there would be no service in that area.
And So what if they put some military like AWACS, aeroplanes above those storms that had the equipment on it. And it said that would be a more robust, better working system than the current Starling system. It would certainly be cheaper and it would work better. I can, I contend that that's what they're doing.
Last thing is that we have there's a, a guy that that lives on an island in the South Pacific somewhere and he recently just, you know, last few years whatever got self got Internet service on his little island because he has Starlink and he's the guy that tracks every military flight in the sky. He's one of those guys that just tracks all the aeroplanes and he said any time the last aeroplane leaves his area he loses his Starling service.
Is that just a coincidence? So every morning I get up at around 5:30 because I've got a I've got a little kid. And before he gets up, I make myself some coffee and I go and sit on my balcony and I wait for the wait for it sun to rise. Just tell me what's going on there. Awesome, great question. Sunrises and sunsets. That's that's a big one. And flat earthers say that the sun always, always rises to eye level, right. And that's actually not true. It appears to rise to eye level.
So what is the horizon? Well, there's two horizons. There's a physical ground horizon that well, it's the horizon we see from the ground and then there's an atmospheric horizon. So I'm just trying to talk and find the kind of video I. Want well, while you, while you're doing that, I think I know what you mean. Because if I if if I'm in an aeroplane, I'm very high up but the horizon is still at the same level. The horizon appears to rise at eye level. You get to like 4045 thousand feet.
You can see the sun far, far, far beyond where you should be able to see it. But no one's really thinking about this. So here we have some clouds. Let's say these clouds are just for a number of 10,000 feet. Well, these clouds are 10,000 feet, 10,000 feet, 10,000 feet. They're all 10,000 feet, but they appear like they're getting closer and closer to the horizon. They're getting compressed due to our vision, right?
So here we have a clear sky. But even on a clear sky day, the when you look up, you're looking through this much atmosphere, right? But when you, if you have this much atmosphere and you're looking across, you're looking through an infinite amount of atmosphere. So as we look down, it gets thicker and thicker and thicker and it becomes opaque. So this line here, what is this line? So let's talk about that. So here we have clouds, and we'll put another cloud farther
in the distance and another one. You can't even see it because it's merging with this line here. But if I zoomed in, you'd be able to see it. So I have the sun moving away. As it does, it just moves away. And look, it's disappearing from the bottom up, right here. It's disappearing from the bottom up as it's just moving beyond the cloud. You can understand that it's disappearing from the bottom up as it moves beyond the cloud,
beyond the cloud. But here, because you can't resolve anything, it's moving beyond the cloud again there. So it's just gone beyond where we, you know what we think is the horizon. So let me let me show you. Is this the 1:00? So we have these streetlights, they all going into the distance and they look like they're going down. But as we zoom in, we can bring them back up. We know that they're all at the same level. So here's a guy looking at the cloud. And so we do a string from his
eye to this cloud. It goes straight up. But as that cloud moves into the distance it gets, it'll appears to get lower and lower and lower, right? So now we have this cloud over here. And if he looks over at that cloud, he sees that string paralleling right across the water level. He that's how he sees it. That's how he perceives it. Now, if I put a guy underneath this cloud, so this is the cloud in the distance, he sees that line going from a high up cloud
down to his eyes. Remember this guy sees it going straight across same line, right? Because he's underneath that cloud that's on his horizon. So if the sun moves away, this guy, remember this guy's underneath the cloud. This cloud to him is on the horizon. So as the sun goes beyond the cloud, he can no longer see it anymore, right? It'll disappear from the bottom up from his point of view. But the way he really sees it is like this is sun's going away.
He, this is his horizon here. And the sun looks to be going below it. It's just going beyond it beyond. Let me show you just another one to take this home, because this is this is a really, really important one. So here we have that's not it. Give me a second. I'll I'll start with this one. All right, so again, St lights going into the distance, if we if we went another mile down the road, look, you wouldn't be able to see that light. It'd just be gone. It'd be beyond your horizon.
This is the sun going away and it's going beyond this atmospheric deck of opacity. This line here could be 10,000 feet above your eye level, 10,000 feet. So if I put a truck here, these lights are going to get blocked by the truck and we push the truck farther and farther away. Eventually you're not going to be able to see the truck anymore, but the lights are still going to go beyond it. That's what the horizon is. It's the atmospheric deck.
It could be mountains, it could be, it could be whatever that they that it just hides it. It goes beyond it. The horizon looks like it's at your eye level, but it's really it's really high above your eye level. OK. What?
So, So what you saw, what you're saying then is that in the morning when I see the sunrise, what I'm seeing is not the sun coming from below the earth or the earth turning to, to to see the sun, but it's the sun coming from the distance and going over me and going past me, behind me. Is that is that right? Cracks here. We have a real sunset here and we have this coin on the table. The camera's slightly below the table and that's why the coin is disappearing.
But in the distance, the horizon, your eyes are below the horizon. The horizon that you see is the whole atmosphere being compressed into a line that appears to be at your eye level. But that atmosphere could be 1020 thousand feet high. The sun is just coming from beyond it. OK, so it's. Just coming from beyond. It So then? So then you're saying that the sun is circling above me? Is that right? Yes, it circles around. I'll show show you that in a second and.
So is the moon, and so is the moon. Yeah, absolutely. I'll show you that in a in a in a moment. So here, so again, perspective. You show this picture to a child and say, what do you see? You see a guy standing on a pier fishing. There's boat, the sun, the clouds, there's a tree on the left there. And you kind of see the same thing, right? Yeah. Is the water higher or lower than the pier? Well, it's obviously. Think about it. In reality, it's. Obviously.
Lower, but it's higher in the picture here, right? It's higher, but in reality it's lower. It's just perspective, correct? All right. And is the sun higher than the tree or lower than the tree? It's higher than the tree because of experience. But it's lower in the picture due to perspective. Yes, obviously it's slower. Where's the 50 story skyscraper in this picture? I don't see it. You sure we're actually looking straight up at the sun? In New York City, you see it. OK, well played.
What? I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, but here, no, I'm not trying to trick you. I'm trying to show you how you trick yourself. We we see what we're told to believe, right? So here's the sun. Let's say it's noon and now it's 1:00. Is the sun below the horizon or just beyond the building? Yeah, it's just beyond. It's just beyond the building. So the question, the question is how?
How could we see it again? Well, you can go up in the air or you can go backwards, maybe go across the street, maybe get a better angle and see the sun, right? If you went a mile away, the building would be much smaller and you'd definitely be able to see the sun, correct? Yeah. All right, so here's a perspective grid, and I'm going to throw this mountain up here. Let's say it's 3000 feet up. You got the sun up here. The sun's going away. Did it go below the horizon or
beyond the mountain? Well, obviously it went beyond, yeah. Beyond the mountain. But this is how we see. That's that, that's clear. Everyone knows that. So if I went backwards like 25 miles now, that lot, that mountain still 3000 feet above my eye level, I have a much better view and angle to the sun. The sun goes away. Did it go below the mountain or beyond it?
No, it went beyond it. It went beyond it, but this is looking like if you're a glober, this is your earth curve it gets worse now let's add the cloud deck in here so this cloud deck is 1015 thousand feet in the sky. The sun is above it The sun goes beyond all of these clouds and it goes beyond this line now what is this line this line is the top of the mountain 3000 feet. It's also the 10,000 feet of the atmosphere on top of that.
So we're 1315 thousand feet. This line is 13 fifteen, 20,000 feet above his eye level. But that's not how he sees it. And the sun just goes beyond it. Here's the here's a perspective grid, right? Here's the guy. Is that his eye level? My bad, right? You got a mountain 3000 feet up. You got the sun. It goes beyond the mountain, not below the mountain, beyond the mountain, right. If I went backwards 25 miles, the top of this mountain is still 3000 feet above his eyes.
But there's the sun, right? Sun goes farther away, beyond or below. It went beyond again, just like before, nothing changes, right? Add the cloud deck in here. These clouds are ten, 15,000 feet above the mountain. The sun just goes beyond, and this line here becomes the atmospheric deck of opacity and the mountain thousands and thousands of feet above his eye level. The sun's above that, it just goes beyond it.
OK, bye. But if the sun is circling above Flat Earth, right, shouldn't that shouldn't that vector start curving? Well, we're seeing a very small area of the sun. We only see the sun. You know, I'm here in the United States when the sun is over California, just that little bit. It's setting. It's it's literally almost setting for me. All right, so we only see a tiny
little bit. And during our summer when the sun is in here over the Tropic of Cancer, I'm going to bring the sun in. Hold on, Where are we? We're at January, February, March, April, May, June. They could there, April, May, June. So in June, the sun is all the way in here. The sun is all the way in here. And so I can watch it rise in the morning and I can watch it. It curves around me. It doesn't make a straight line in the sky because it's making a
bigger curve. And I have much longer days also because the sun is closer to me for a longer period of time. So we have much longer, longer days and longer sunsets. It's when it's out here in your summer that it's lower in the sky for me, just like those St lights, a street light down the road, that's my winter sun. It's lower in the sky.
I get less heat from it because it's farther away and it circles around and I see it kind of do more of a straight line because it's a, I'm seeing less of a curve. I'm seeing more, more of a curve here. I watch the sunrise over here and it'll wrap around me. So you've never measured the path of the sun in the sky, but it does curve where and we see that again, the sun is, you know, I think that we see what's called an apparent sun, an apparent sun. Let me just show you real quick.
What, what they, what I call that. So the sun that we see, I remember the sun that we see in the sky is in an apparent position. What do I mean by that? So the apparent, apparent position. So here we go. So I divided my room into two parts with a sheet. I got a light 10 feet on the other side and I have this apparent sun. Now my wife's over here on to the left of me and I said, hey, where do you see the sun on the sheet? So from her point of view, let
me go back over there. She sees it right there. So if I put a little X on the sheet with a sharpie, there would be an X on the sheet over there. She sees the sun over there, while I see it there. We're seeing it in two different positions. So everyone sees the sun in a position relative to themselves.
That's a much longer podcast. There's tonnes of videos on my app under Where does the Sun Go section that that will show you that learning about this it there's a the big obstacle is people like this is the dumbest thing ever. You know, people don't want to throw out their entire life belief, fantasy knowledge, if you will, false knowledge. And do we learn everything again? It's a huge blow to the ego. And you know, most people hated
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