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ridiculous. I'm like, oh, well, if Paul is dead, then there's really no point trying to pretend he's not. I think I was like, a kind of like a, like a sleeper agent. I didn't know it. I think, I think, I think this was, I think God. God decided this was going to be my my role. It's funny in it, how life, the things that we do in life, the elaborate things that we do. Well, it's funny. We were having that conversation. Well, unfortunately it's not. It's not what I want.
It doesn't make me happy. What, sitting here while we're? For the technology, it really, I, I mean, I don't want to be a difficult customer, but if you want to get the best out of me, it's really not not a good way of I've kind of had enough already, is what I'm thinking. Yeah, yeah. Stop. Right. So we're just talking off camera a little bit.
When we first met at Hope, not that you'd remember, but I remember meeting you and your brother and that was Hope Festival back in 2021, I think, maybe 2020. It feels like another age. Yeah, just isn't it the amount of growth, I suppose that we could say that that we've all
gone through in different ways? Yeah, well, it was like starting at a new school and these are these are the people you'll be these are your classmates and the people in your house and you're going to have to get to know them. These are these are your new set of friends. And I think for a lot of us, it was very unexpected. We, a lot of us were new to all this that I mean, I was I, I, I until not long before that I, I've been a normie to all intents and. Places.
Yeah, yeah. I, I I wouldn't have understood what you meant by the term normie because I thought I was pretty. I mean, I wasn't afraid to, to even at that stage to destroy my, my conventional career by, by speaking out about things like climate change. Yeah, yeah. So that was quite that was like. Oh, I was definitely, I was definitely head of the game. I mean, I've just done a a podcast with with my friend Dominic Frisbee. Oh.
You know, Dominic? And Dominic said the problem with you, James, is you're too early. You're too early on things. It's like it's like in the in the stock markets, it's being too early is not good. And knowing knowing that the stock is going to shoot up or or or or collapse, there's no use if you get your timing wrong other. Scenarios as well where it's not very useful, isn't it? You. Can talk about that later. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But but yeah. So it wasn't as though I was unaware that the establishment, the conventional world is not, is not to be trusted. But I hadn't realized the degree to which this extended from the world of so-called climate science, which is not, is not science, to everything, to history, to medicine, to everything that was. That was a thing that I hadn't realized. And I met this new crowd of people who became It was like meeting the best friends I I never knew I had.
It was, isn't it? For a lot of people here, it was. It was very strange to find people that you could just have eye contact with and sort of feel open with without any of the guard that perhaps we've, you know, got used to having with of. Course. Well, I've always been a I've always been quite frank. I've always been.
I've always been very open with myself that, that when I, when I, when I meet, there's a sort of English things that a lot of English people have been trained to do or do instinctively, which is there's this reserve they, they hold something back. I never bothered with that stuff. I've never, I've never. But it, I suppose it is quite an English of me. I'm straight in there.
What you see is what you get. I don't think I don't think the version of me you see when you first meet me is significantly different from the from the one where I mean, admittedly, you did get a a taste of my irritability over the the technical thing I. Can sympathise. It's just that you found you found my weakness. I absolutely loathe technology and I loathe things that require tinkering and mechanics and electronics and just it's never been of any interest to me. I've just been.
I have a very low boredom threshold and if it interests me I can spend days lifetime doing it, but if it doesn't I don't want to know. But even in that situation where you you could been completely passive, do you find it tricky to be passive? Could you, could you say you couldn't just sit and sort of meditate on the what you you're sort of irritated by proxy because we were getting frustrated with the tech? I just thought, just get on with it. Can we just do it?
I mean, that's always been my policy with my podcast. I, I, there are definitely the occasional technical flaw in, in my podcasts And I kind of think what I, it's not the bit that interests me. The bit that interests me is the chat. Sure, I'm good at the chat. I can do. I can, I can. I can chat for England. That's handy.
Which is. Why I'm very happy in my, in my skin generally, as long as I'm doing what I like doing, like being on a horse or doing podcasts or hanging with people that I can talk, talk to about this stuff. Which is what going back, which is what was great about that, that Hope Festival, that one didn't have to edit oneself. Not that I do edit myself generally, but it was nice to be with people where it it. Wasn't even an option it. Wasn't even an option. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, because I, I think we, we do even, you know, however, however comfortable we are with expressing our opinions about things you do for for the for the sake of progress in a way, one sort of tempers the the approach or you, you, you, you, you change your approach accordingly. You know what battle you're fighting to some extent.
You know, see, you don't just bludgeon in with someone who's completely oblivious to the agenda with, you know, some far out you, you have to judge it, don't you? To some extent. It is. It is the curse of anyone who is awake that you have to approach every encounter as if you're in entering hostile territory. You have to you, you have to be a bit sensitive. Yeah, you're right. I mean, even I, I, I love, I love sort of shocking people with my outrageous opinions.
I like, I like, I like getting. Actually, if you want to, if you want to know the essence of me, it's basically that I'm never happier than when taking the piss. And my parents are the same. It's very, very bizarre and maybe it's a Midlands thing, I don't know. But my mother is a piss taker, My father is a piss taker. I mean, I live in a family of piss takers. So it was kind of inevitable that I was going to do something when it which ended up me taking the piss.
But I what I didn't, I was, I was, I wasn't going to be doing all just a kind of individual level. I was going to be taking the piss of the whole world of the paradigm. I mean, that's what's been brilliant about these times for me, discovering that the whole, the entire paradigm, everything that most people think about the world to be true is bollocks. And I can now say it's bollocks. I could be the little boy, he says.
The Emperor's wearing no players, which is, which has always been what I enjoyed doing, yeah. Do you think there's a, a, a, a danger at times for us to perhaps fall for what I might call the second matrix kind of ideas? Because we're, we're sort of so enamoured with this idea of throwing a grenade into the established, kind of, you know, that we, that we, we sometimes fall prey to not being perhaps as cautious in terms of defining. The Yeah, I don't think so.
No, but maybe that's your problem. I don't think I'm I'm, I consider I'm on a journey and I just want to find out what what's true and what's not true. Yeah. And. That's easy to say. Then I'm I'm very happy to to change my opinions with with new evidence. So for example, I'm not very sold on tart area. I think it's, I think it's a great idea. I like the idea that there was this whole region of, I mean, I'm of course I'm aware there's a place called Tartary.
There. Was even a poem about it if I were Lord of Tartary myself and me alone. But I'm not quite there on the all all big buildings are transmission devices for amazing power. Like like show me you persuade me more give me. Same with mud floods and things. Same with but. I suppose that's, that's what I mean in a way. You know, I, I, I have friends, you know who I can see they've woken up and then they'll sort of grab everything.
Liked Atari without perhaps looking for real evidence, you know, And I suppose that's all I mean is that that can then play into the hands of the agenda because you know it. I'm. Muddy's the water, so to me. I'm more worried about people being what I call purple pilled. I've not heard that one. Well, because obviously because I I coined it and you don't you don't listen to my podcast enough, but or or or read the pieces I read about this.
So, but basically it's that OK, people, they go down the rabbit hole, they, they, they discover that astonishingly, the government is not their friend and that the medics are not there to save their lives. They're actually, they had to, to administer this poison on the, on behalf of the, the, the Pharmaceutical industry and, and Biggie generally.
And so they notionally, they wake up, but they realise that this, this new world they live in is quite a discomforting one because their friends will no longer talk to them. They can't relate. They can't have the conversations they used to have. They can't, they can't, they can barely read the newspapers anymore and they find it
uncomfortable. And they want to re establish a link sort of to have a, a connection with the, with the old world as a kind of comfort blanket to show that they're not as isolated as they feel. And I think that's a bigger mistake because what they do is they then say, well, they start pointing themselves gatekeepers of which narratives are true, which are untrue. So they say, look, it's perfectly, it's perfectly acceptable to question the safety and the efficacy of, of of the vaccine.
But when you talk about Paul is dead, say all outlandish conspiracies like that, you're, you're making our cause look ridiculous. I'm like, oh, well, if Paul is dead, then there's really no point trying to pretend he's not. It's just you're, you're, you're actually doing the cause of disservice because ultimately our only watchword should be the truth. We're on the mission to find out truth.
The truth is holy. The truth is an expression of God. And if we start making excuses as to why this or that area should remain beyond, beyond inquiry, then I think we're doing ourselves a disservice. In fact, we're, we're creating our own form of it's a form of self censorship and I've never been into that. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely agree that truth is holy and there shouldn't be anything that we
can't question. I mean, that's say with, with the Holocaust, you know, that's, I always used to say if you go to, if you're sent to prison for questioning something, that's the thing you should be questioning. So I think so, yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm not saying I'm not saying one one way or the other conclusion wise, but it, you know, if something is, is is illegal to question that that raises a red well.
I think I, I can't remember whether it was, I called it Dalingpole's first law or Dalingpole's Second law. I guess I'm quite sort of sketchy about these, these, these phrases like I, I invent them and then I forget about them or forget the context. But one thing I've definitely discovered is the more that the culture insists on something being true, and the more it's kind of it's, it's forced on our consciousness, the less likely it is to be true, the more
likely it's to be done. So for example, everyone knows what happened to the Titanic. There was even a film made about it called A Night to Remember. Like they didn't want you to forget any more than they wanted you to forget the 5th of November. Remember, remember the 5th of November. And it seems to me that all the thing, all the big historical events that we're told about us and we're invited to feel strongly about are fake in some
way there or or at least the version of events you're being sold sold is it is false. So you think about the epochal events in our lives, the ones that we everyone, everyone knows. Apparently everyone can remember where they were when they heard the news that that Kennedy was shot. The, the the alert signal should be going off. It's bollocks. Then it's bollocks. Moon landings.
I, when I was a little boy, I encouraged my father to get his petrol from Shell garages because Shell had this special display thing with, with these coins, these moon landing coins. And I wanted all that I wanted the full set of the moon landing coins. Well, why was Shell doing that? Well, obviously the, the, the, the, the lying system wants, wants to reinforce the narrative.
So everyone's in on it at a certain level, whether it's the oil, oil companies and the obviously the movie industry, the TV, they're all, they're all part of things. But you could argue that if, let's say it was genuine and wouldn't a big company want to get in on the ACT anyway, regardless of whether they it was fake or not? One thing that's really clear to me is that establishing health sovereignty is vital. One company that I regularly buy from is 8 Nutrition. Josh and Easy and.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, I think that's one of the ways, that the way that people are persuaded to bind to the, the deception, there's always an explanation, there's always a rational explanation for the normies and the norm is satisfied with that. So yeah, you'd think, well, of course petrol stations are going to market this big event.
Of course they are. And of course it in this case, it wouldn't require, say, whoever was head of the shell at the time to, to. No, no, no. I suppose what I'm saying is that that our culture reinforces that these narratives at every level, which is why it's so hard to persuade people that they're being had, because everything, everything reinforces that that this particular view they have of the world. Yeah, sure.
Yeah. I don't think there's any question that, that the main thrust of, of, of societies is acceptance of conventional wisdom. You know, there's, there's very, there's very little in our education system which, you know, encourages free thinking, no questioning. The the rewards for buying into the narrative. I'm I'm a classic product of that system. I was, I was really good at school. I was top of a lot of my subjects because I, well, like quite learning stuff.
Yeah, I was good at general knowledge. And then I got a place at Smart University that everyone wants to get into and this is how. And then then after that, the next step is obviously a good job, get in banking or whatever.
I'm sure that most of my Oxford contemporaries are earning way, way more than me because they've been given, they've been given a place as it's a bit like the Babylonian court say, say you've got presumably the Babylonian royal family, but just below that you've got the, the, the administrators, the people who've been selected, they've, they've gone through the process. So that's your reward when you learn your stuff. And you, you, you accept the
narrative, they will pay you. And if you if you don't, then you get ostracized and isolated and, and punished financially and punished in terms of, well, in all sorts of ways that everyone is awake has experienced that, that, that you can no longer you're no longer part of the general discourse. Yeah. You're an outsider. So go and just mention your childhood or your upbringing school. It's a hot it's come up quite a
bit. And the whole idea of class, you know, you've written about class, haven't you? And. Yeah. Not class. Classes I I don't know. I don't know what this thing class is that you. Yeah, I thought it might, might throw you a bit. Sure, it shocked me. Do people speak in this way? I, I believe so. In the provinces, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, it's, I, I think it's still a fascinating topic because it's particularly in England, I think. But it does also relate to the
structure of the agenda. You know, so so for example, your upbringing is more, you had more of an you will have had more of an insight into and and had, you know, a closer connection to some of the people who might be. Illuminati. No, Yeah, yeah. But you know, people who? Who basic close to the top of the pyramid Let's. Put it that way, my Illuminati adjacent upbringing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm fucking all the books. Here I I find it absolutely hilarious because I mean, nobody who's posh would think of me as posh. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm common, really common as much in, in as much as my family is industrialist stock rather than landed, landed Gentry. Yeah, I definitely had relative to the most of the population. I had a privileged upbringing, you know, I mean, we, we had nice family holidays and and I was educated privately.
And the the Oxford thing was I totally deserved for being clever. I worked for that. There was that even then it was, it was not guaranteed that you'd get in. I don't, I think they made a big mistake in letting me in because basically they, they let in somebody who was going to betray the system. They wanted me to be one of them. And, and instead I, I think I was like a kind of like a like a sleeper agent. I didn't know it.
I think, I think, I think this was, I think God, God decided this was going to be my, my role. But but as you know, we, we in our circles and in the broader sense of the, the awake movement, although I, I don't know what that means, but but like, yeah, people who awake, you'll get these characters who, who, who say, Oh yeah, James Sterling, Paul's like he's a, he's a controlled opposition or. Yeah, with literally every anyone there. Yeah, there's literally anyone. Oh, oh, totally.
But and and you find different reasons for doing so. And the one the one they use with me is, well, like, he's just like so establishment. And he was friends with two future prime ministers. I I wasn't alluding to that, but. No, but I'm, but I find it quite amusing. I, I, I wasn't, I wasn't really trying to defend myself from a point you weren't making. It was more that it's quite interesting, isn't it, that the people who are awake, they come from all classes and, and, and
backgrounds. It's it's not A and I think that we're all bringing different things to the party. So what I bring to the party into Aliyah is that I had an inside view of, of well, the, the lives and behaviour of people who would go on to become these high, high tier administrators in the Babylonian court. Presumably, I thought I must have, I must have met people who are actual Illuminati. Although how would you know?
I mean, I'm, I'm still trying to work, work out how it works, but I suspect that it's has something to do with split personalities. So you, for example, could be member of the Illuminati and, and one of your, one of your personalities is Jake Fern artist.
And then because you've been, because you've been buggered at the right age by your, by your controllers, you've got this, the trauma has has created this, this multiple personalities and your, your Jake Fern personality is just like amiable and good at painting and and stuff. But then you've got this other one, which, which, which comes out when you're sacrificing your children or whatever to, to Satan. I think. I think that's how it works. You do? Yeah.
Yeah, interesting. So you wouldn't know. So it's like I, I used to, I used to do, I used to do interview movie stars and pop stars and things. I remember doing an interview with with Tom Hanks once. Oh, OK. I'm thinking he's one of the nicest blokes I've ever met. He's just so calming. And but you have to remember Tom Hanks is an actor. He's many things beside that, but he's he's an actor.
And so I don't, you can't tell. I think you, you have to be, I think your default position has to be suspicious. Like who do I trust? Like I trust my brothers and sisters, maybe a few others, but I'm just always open to possibility that that that. Takes a sleeper agent. Yeah, well, Dick, Dick, Dick sometimes thinks wrong things on things and I have to put him right. I, I think, I think no, I think Dick probably is a not a sleeper
agent, right? Yeah, when I was trying to sort of understand what was going on, it was the psychology that interested me more than necessarily the the mechanics. Yeah, the mechanics, the details of that. And that's when I started to get this sense of what that world and how, how other that world. Is, it's interesting, Yeah.
It's really good that Bob has corroborated what I'm about to say, which is that I spent what, 2025 years working in the mainstream media and I did occasionally appeared on the BBCI made made a documentary once for Channel 4. I was columnist the Times, the Telegraph. There wasn't there wasn't a moment when I thought, hang on a second, I'm part of an evil lie machine. There were, there weren't just wasn't.
I would just getting on and doing my thing and I think people find that hard to believe. You must have known. Well. Why? I mean, I suppose I was aware that some of my feature ideas got would get shot down. I not used but some of my ideas. Actually, I, I tended not to think of my own ideas because it's easier when when your editors give you give you an idea, you know, you haven't got
to sell it to them. But, but that said, I never wrote, I would never write a piece that I didn't agree with already. So it wasn't like I was being coerced into having opinions in order to earn my living. But but again, that's that in a way is how the system works. They have designated edgy right wing contrarian characters and designated left wing. They've got Owen Jones on standby and they've got all those Guardian people that we
mock. And I didn't think a lot of them are aware that they are these these Punch and Judy characters. They're just they they think that they're autonomous and that they have their own opinions. Yeah, sure. I think they'd have to to pull it off. You know, this idea that they're all aware and conscious of their role in it, just to me, seems absurd. Yeah. It's a very clever system, which is why it is has endured for so long.
Yeah, to see parts two and three of this interview with James Dennenpole, as well as the final Painting and Support UK columns Vital Work, head over to their website and sign up for a monthly subscription. Good eats and good weed, basically, And it's what I wanted at the time. And these things they have to do involve moral compromises. They got so into the occult stuff that I think really bad shit started happening to them. And I bought, I so bought into
it at the time. And I know, I think, yeah, but it's all bollocks. They didn't even write their stuff. And I thought, well, it's kind of great. We're going to go on stage and he's going to explain it all to me and right but he but he couldn't. What are your opinions on Flat Earth? Oh, I think that is a SIOP. That's my opinion, yeah. And I get called the NASA shell, you know, like. So no, I I'd call you a globe tard. Yeah. Of course you would. Yeah, yeah, as I, as I've been
called many times, yeah. A favourable gloss you're putting on what is essentially a form of gatekeeping because by because by saying beneficial, you're making a value judgement. For me. Yeah, well, that is a very judgement. Yeah, but for me it's that's how I. See it? Yeah. So I mean, I don't care. What anyone does that is a form of gatekeeping. I don't have the authority to gatekeep anyone. You don't. No, it's true.
But but. So if people, if people want to take my opinion as some kind of authority, then that's their problem, James. Yes, here's a yes. Show me. No, what I need to do is OK. Oh, it looks very much like me. Oh, it does. Although there was worrying, worrying elements of of of Prince. Was it called the? I don't know, Prince. Prince. What's the one who's going to be King Charming? No. The, the evil. The the, the William. No. It looks really like me. You've done a brilliant job.