Hudson River Radio dot com. This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters. Beautiful headquarters, and welcome to the UFO Headquarters here on Hudson River Radio. You're one stop shopping for all things UFOs. I am Michael Warden and of course Linda Zimmerman, who's always enjoys my on the fly intros. Don't you never know what to expect? Yeah, I don't. I don't either, I just pick them up. I enjoy one stop shopping for UFO. Thank you. Yes, and it's I was gonna say it's an
appropriate the day today that we're recording. It's rather cold and we're gonna be at the chillier portions of the earth I think today in our podcast. Yes, we're going to the extreme frozen wastelends of the North and South Pole and a little south of that. But before that, you know how we love getting mail from listeners and got a particularly good one. Our last episode was
dust Bin of Ufology at least by Brian. Thank you, and someone wrote to say they've been enjoying the show for a while and how much she resonated with the dust Bin episode because she had a sighting. I'll mention, I'll go talk about the sighting in a second in the late nineteen sixties, and that after that she couldn't get enough. She mentioned flying saucers are real. Donald Keho the UFO experienced. J Allen Hyatt heinek flying saucers serious business.
Frank Edwards still have my copy from when I was a kid and so on. So it was good that, you know, people were connecting to that. But here's her sighting July sixty seven or sixty eight, a Sunday evening. I was about thirteen years old at the time. I went to fill the bathtub and close the window shade. This was about six thirty or seven in the evening and it was still daylight outside. As I looked out the window, my attention was drawn to a metallic looking oval object in the distance,
moving very slowly from my left field of view toward the right. From my location on Maple Avenue in matuchein New Jersey, I could see this object was gliding slowly above the train tracks, power line and tree lines that run parallel to what was then the Pearl Street parking lot and now High Right condos. I loved the detail in this Uh yes, you know, you know exactly where it was, exactly what was happening. I called for my mother
downstairs to come and look. At the same time, another identical object appeared on the right, moving slowly left toward the other object. They both slowly came to a stop in front of one another, then simultaneously shot straight up at such a speed that only streaks of light were visible, similar to the hyperspace effect we see on you know that was on Star Trek. Both oval, metallic looking objects had no other features that I could see, and I
had a clear view. Unfortunately, her mother didn't get there in times to see what I was shouting about. You can just picture this girl screen, you know, Ma, Ma, yeah, absolutely. But again, these objects moving, stopping and then shooting straight up not typical aircraft. She said. She was a attended Franklin Junior High School in Matucheon at the time, and I guess the following fall, her homeroom teacher had put a photo of that craft that he had taken in August, so she saw it in July.
He saw it in August, took a picture and posted it on the bulletin board. She said. Years later, she tried to get in contact with him to get a copy of the photo, but didn't get a reply. And then she said there was another incident when her parents' next door neighbor, a retired policeman, how often do we hear that with cop sightings, called them to come outside to look at an object above Campbell's School, which
was the next street over from our house. So they came out and she said there was a round object moved back and forth in a sort of zigzag motion and took off. And this happened around the same time, so definitely worth looking into Matuchin area sightings in the late sixties, there might have been a little wave. And she finishes off this letter with a great short little
more recent sighting. Just a few years ago, she and her husband were at the Rutgers Agricultural Gardens in East Brunswick, New Jersey, strolling around the main garden along with other people, when we took a moment to sit on one of the park benches. The sky was beautiful as we gazed up at a flock of passing birds. The birds suddenly darted in every direction as in a panic. Then we saw a black triangle very slowly gliding along as if
following root one south. The triangle was either very small or very high up. We watched it for a long time until it was out of sight. The other people in the garden looked at us and each other as if to say, what was that. So you know how I love animal reactions? Yes, you do. So even if this was small or up high, it still affected the birds at whatever distance, And I thought this was nice.
At the end, she said, well, it was nice to share some of these experiences with people who won't think I'm wearing a tinfoil hat. Well, you know, we know she's not wearing a tinfoil hat because it's made out of aluminum. There you go. Did you see her follow up message that was at the end of the thread. Yes, yeah, you wanted got me to read that. That one was like okay, So she wrote back, and I was amazed at this one. One last small item
from my mother, who has since passed. She and her relatives lived in the high lands of North Carolina. Most of the people. Most of those people had farm animals like cows and sheep that had to be brought in at night. She once told me about a neighbor who went up on a meadow to bring in the sheep when a strange little man walked out of the bushes, saying something unintelligible. The small man repeatedly tried to touch this neighbor with
a little stick or wand like object. The neighbor ran home terribly frightened, leaving the sheep, and was accused of being drunk or lazy for making up such a story. I love the ending of that one too, Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, so these stories are still there, and we really appreciate people taking the time to tell us these accounts. That's that's how we do what we do when people tell us of their accounts. But yeah, so, matuchein not too far from the Hudson Valley and just great
detailed accounts. So let's take our first break and then go into the deep freeze. Hudson River Radio dot Com Hudson River Radio dot Com subsidiary of Glacier Entertainment LLC, blasting the competition in New York's Hudson Valley. Well, Linda, we're going to go from the Hudson Valley, where it's a little cold today, to the extremes of the Arctics where it's probably very cold, and I normally like cold weather, but I think snow burn is in my future.
I don't know. Oh you are kidding. I need I need this audio burned onto a gold record because you always love the cold. I won't pinky swear on it yet, but it's it's getting a bit much for me here. Wow. Wow, this is this is This is probably one of the most startling statements ever on UFO headquarters. So I mean, I'm already there. I'm already checked out mentally and on my way to Florida for the
winter. But yes, let's there are some hardy souls out there who go to the Arctic and the Antarctic. And there was a Reuters an AP news service article dated July eighth, nineteen sixty five. Scientists at the Argentinian, British and Chilean Antarctic bases had reports an unusual celestial body hovering on the horizon and sending geomagnetic instruments wild. That's quite a statement, Okay. These are
scientists at these spaces from three different countries. The object zigzagged, changed color, made no sound, hovered and was in view for up to twenty minutes. So I did a little digging and found some references a little more not a lot on this interestingly, but the Secretary of the Argentine Navy made the following statement, which was in the newspapers. The Navy garrison in the Argentine Antarctica aka Deception Island observed on July third, at nineteen forty hours local time,
a giant lens shaped flying object. Solid in appearance, color mostly red and green, changing occasionally with yellow, blue, white, and orange shades. The object was moving on a zigzagging trajectory toward the east, but several times it changed course to the west and north, with varied speeds and no sound. It passed at an elevation of forty five degrees over the horizon,
distance estimated to be ten to fifteen kilometers from the base. During the maneuvers performed by the object, witnesses were able to register its tremendous speeds and also the fact that it hovered motionless for fifteen minutes at an estimated altitude of about five thousand meters about three miles. The meteorological conditions for the area of the sighting can be considered to be very good at this time of year, clear
sky, some strato cumulus moon in the last quarter and perfect visibility. The object was witnessed by the meteorologist together with thirteen members of the garrison and three Chilean sub officers visiting at the time. The observation lasted for twenty minutes and
photographs of the object were taken. On the afternoon of the same day, the same object was observed at the Argentine base on South Orkney Island, moving away toward the northwest, elevation thirty degrees over the horizon, distance estimated at about ten to fifteen kilometers. The Chilean base also observed the object referred to
a above the afternoon that same day. That's quite a statement. And the level of detail, the elevation, the you know, the the angle, the speeds, this is this is a lot to unpack here detail wise. Yeah, the the shape that was described was interesting too. The lens, Like, did I hear that? Yeah, I assume that's like a disc. You know, I'm imagining maybe it's a cop a lens out of binoculars or something, and it's yeah, double convex, right, That's that's what
I was kind of picturing in my mind. But you know, right, like a contact lens. And I'm also picturing is it is it a single? But don't often hear that used to describe these crafts? No, No, and and there's I have several other passages here, and I think this is important because these are important officers and scientists making these opposites. It's not a bunch of soldiers saw lights zip through. I mean, we have very detailed information here and it was twenty long minutes. This wasn't wow, did
you see that? It's so and they have photos, so there are photos somewhere. So the Navy Garrison at South Orkney calls attention to the fact of extreme importance. During the passage of the strange object over that base, two variometers, working in perfect condition, registered disturbances in the magnetic field that were recorded on their tapes. So this wasn't a distant star or the planet Venus. They they missed articles swamp gas that they misinterpreted because they had these variometers.
I had not heard that term. Some sort of magnetic sensing instruments and big disturbances that were recorded. So they have the data, they have the tapes to show what was going on. And then we have a very interesting witness or spokesman, which I'll get to at the end of this segment here. On the same day, July seventh, nineteen sixty five, the Ministry of Defense in Santiago, Chile released the contents of their sightings to the press.
The first observation occurred on June eighteenth, and was reported by Commander Mario Jan Barrera. You might want to hold that in you. Does that ring? Yeah? Yeah, no, it didn't with me, but it quickly did when I said, hmm, I should look him up. But we'll
get to that little twist at the end. I have to report today that at four pm local time was sighted from the space an aerial object luminous intensity of the first magnitude star, appearing east of the island at sixty degrees elevation, changing direction to the left in a one hundred and eighty degree turn that's very interesting to the west, then turning ninety degrees to the right, moving
away to the south following an irregular trajectory at four twenty pm. So already we have twenty minutes of sightings of an object making ninety and one hundred and eighty degree rapid terms. And again skies were clear, and there are many other It goes on and on the Chilean rapport, the Argentine reports going on and on and wait till I get to Commander Burrera. But so then later on Barrea gave an a radio interview and he said what we cited was something
real. A solid object which was moving at incredible speeds, performed maneuvers, emitted a greenish light and caused interference in the electromagnetic instruments of the Argentine base. Situated close to hours, its red yellow color changed to green and orange. It was flying at a short distance from the base at an elevation of forty five degrees, over the north of the island, moving in a zigzag course. It hovered in mid air after performing one of the maneuvers, remaining
motionless for twenty minutes and then moving away at high speed. We observed this object through high powered binoculars. I don't believe it could be an airship of terrestrial manufacture. Okay, so this is a high ranking officer stating this because he was in the air force. As an officer in the Chilean Air Force, my knowledge about man made machines gives me absolute conviction that nothing similar exists on Earth in shape, velocity, and mobility in space. We have ten
color photographs which will be developed in Santiago. As soon as we sighted the object. We tried to contact by radio the Argentine and English bases, but such contact was impossible because there was a very strong intence on the radio on all channels. With the radio useless and under intense emotion. We continue to
observe this thing in space on a clear night without wins. This is one of the best statements, probably one of the best reports I've ever I've ever heard, the detail and the credibility of the witness, just by virtue of his status and explaining you know the I love that part. You know, he's pretty confident this is not a terrestrial object, absolute conviction, and I love this. They're trying so as he said, under intense emotion. Aka,
they're all freaking out. Yes, that was the professional way of putting it. Yes, they're trying to contact the British and the Argentine. Are you seeing this? All communication is being interfered with, so all the radio channels are out, there's strong magnetic you know, interference. So this was just remarkable and I thought Wow, this guy. He went on to be the head of the Air and Space Museum and they have a statue to him.
But there's a darker side of Mario jan Barrera. He went on to be the head of the DINA under the brutal dictator Augusto Pinochet seventy three to ninety. The DINA was the secret police. Basically, they called it Pinochet's Gestapo, and under his watch, thousands and thousands of people were tortured, murdered and disappeared. So I think this is the first time we've had a UFO statement from and essentially a war criminal. So just a little twist.
Neither known of this happened after his sighting, but clearly this was a man you did not argue with. Uh. Yeah, And I don't see I don't see someone like him, if indeed he you know, this is what he really a war criminal. Him being subject to hallucinations or making things up, you know, it doesn't sound like it would be within a character of a kind of oh, kind of bad person like that. I guess no other way. And it didn't help his reputation to say I'm I'm seeing a
little you know, flying saucers around there. Of course this was led, but you know there was something about that name that I say, I need to I need to check this guy out. And I was like, uh oh, but yeah. So even after being the head of the uh the the Chilean Gestapo, he became head of the Air and Space Museum, and now there's a statue to him there and people don't think that's appropriate, and they're probably right. I think so, but I know that's not our topic.
I guess no, it isn't. It isn't, but just ye, you never know who's going to see a UFO. So I had never seen that brought up anywhere, any hint of where the of the pictures ever having been leaked or produced. I kept chasing these that, oh these pictures were shown, here are this and I can't. I have not been able to track them down. I'm sure they're out there. Somebody probably has seen them. But you know, they may be little blobs of green and red color.
But I still like to see those little little blobs. But let's jump to the North Pole if we can. Let's go to the Canadian Arctic. Is this just really quickly? Are we going to involve Santa Claus in this at all. We're in the North Pole. It could be sightings of Santa Claus. That is a possibility. Sure, yeah, yeah. So are you familiar with the Canadian territory of none of ut No, it became it just became a territory in nineteen ninety nine. Basically that whole area like when
hell freeze is over, that's what it's going to look like. It is barren arctic tundra and where they drop little villages and cities. But yeah, it's uh, it's cold, it's very cold, but they do it. There's the largest city and it's about seven thousand people, a caloit. They do have a Tim Hortons. Are you familiar with Tim Horton's. I am
familiar, Yes, great coffee and donuts. I think it's a Canadian law that if you're trying to establish a town, you don't need people, but you must have a Tim Horton's that they will come, right, It's right, the Tim Hortons and the people will follow, that's right. So we're going back to November twenty fourth, twenty eighteen, not all that long ago. Pilots flying on Nola Noor aviation Boeing seven thirty seven from a calowit to
Mary River Mine. I believe those are iron mines. They reported their sighting to NORAAD, which is the North American Air Defense and also the Canadian version. I couldn't find a lot about the the sighting, but at eight thirty pm they saw shining light I mean to red to white that apparently zipped by.
Uh. The the VP Mario Prude home Marco Prude home of Nolan Or downplayed the whole thing and his brilliant statements that what they had seen could have been a weather balloon, a meteor, or a rocket, but probably something natural. Uh okay, that's a great answer. It could have been. Yeah, yeah, well I'll just throw every possibility out there so that that's
right, right. So yeah, I don't know that trained pilots flying this route all the time would have reported to NOORAD that, you know, a meteor or you would hope they were able to rule all that out before they their careers on the line to report this. So I started looking into a callow it and there's quite a lot of sightings. Now remember starlink didn't really start until twenty nineteen, so these are pre starlink sighting September sixteenth, twenty
sixteen. A hiker was looking at the Northern lights. I bet the Northern lights are amazing. There not far from the Arctic Circle. When a bunch of starl like lights moving in sequence caught my attention. Then I saw an airplane flying and when it flew toward the lights, it went out of sight until it reached the other side of the lights. How does that happen? Did it go behind a mass? He's seeing the lights and it was a
huge jobjeck, and he flew behind it. That's very unsettling. Suddenly he saw some bright flashes, and there was several flashes, and I got a little nervous, so I went to call a cab and my phone started acting up. So here again UFO electrical electromagnetic interference. Finally the phone started working again and he took off for home. Now July of twenty eleven, you can look this up a Calowit is spelled iqaliut. He videoed a daytime sighting.
You can hear him. There are like sixty witnesses like, what the hell is this? There was a blue light rotating around another stationary blue light. He ran and got his camcorder. By the time he came out, it was my higher in the sky, but he did. You know, you're basically seeing a spot of light, but still you're you know, they got something on video. Another little community July of two thousand and four, Davity Cow Charlie of Oh, I'm going to butcher this, thank gluage.
I don't know, saw object hovering and several objects flying and hovering. More lights were noticed underneath the hovering white lights. So again like that blue light, there's a central larger object and smaller ones or seemed to be flying around or in and out of it. They seemed to be retrieving something from the area, and there were more lights coming out of the big hovering lights. The speed of the objects coming out of the bright light was too fast for
this world. So there's some weird stuff going on in none of it. There's now I know people are probably saying it's the underwater alien base or the hollow Earth. We don't know. So I'm not going to try to explain something unknown by something else unknown, right, exactly right, as much as people want to do that. So then there were things in the water as
well, the fury and Heckless straits around Baffin Island. Cruise and ships were hearing sounds resonating through the hull, so there's some sort of underwater sounds. November of twenty sixteen, strange noises, pinging, beeping, humming, kind of sounds like some sort of submarine activity. But the Canadian Air Force actually scrambled yets. And another thing some somebody mentioned there was a troubling drop in the number of migrating animals in the in the region, So that's an interesting
animal reaction. Yeah, they're not there where they killed. Were they just avoiding whatever this activity was And suddenly Canada stopped investigating. Kind of leads me to believe it was something military, but I don't. I don't know. And then one last thing I want to talk about before we take our second break, and you you pick up on more sightings. Now, skeptics say this is a hoax and a made up story. Other people swear it's documented.
So I'm not saying that this is the absolute truth. You know, we only go by what we can find written about it. And we're going back to nineteen thirty to the Inuit village of Anna and Jakuni, Okay, a fur trapper, Joe LaBelle, goes into this little village. There should be at least twenty people there. Nobody's there. Nobody. The fires are still burning, food is still cooking and burned. Everyone's gone, but all their possessions are still in the homes, and there's no tracks or trails of
where they could have gone. There was even if they made this up. They made up some great features. There was a child's seal skin coat with the needle and threads still stuck in it mid stitch, as if someone was repairing the coat and just suddenly took off. They left all their food, their guns, everything. So LaBelle didn't want to stay here, you can,
you know, little nervous, what the hell? So he actually got frostbite and was exhausted hiking to the nearest telegraph to telegraph the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. They interviewed LaBelle. They headed or out to the lake, and they stopped to rest at the home of another trapper, Armand Laurent, who told the RCMP that a couple of days earlier, he and his sons saw
strange lights and a shining object that raced over his property. The object changed shape from a cylinder to a bullet shape and headed towards a Jacuni lake. Okay, that's very interesting again if true, And this just sounds too creepy for words, but it's part of the story. The RCMP gets there, finds no one also finds the village graveyard that the graves had been opened and the bodies were removed, and all the headstones were piled into two piles.
So all the living and all the dead of this village were gone. So people were saying it was a hoax. And this Betty Hill, you know, if Betty and Barney Hill heard about this, she says it was a mass alien abduction. I don't know if she was speculating or what, but I mean, hey, your guess is as good mind as mine. Later, when the RCMP was asked about this, they denied ever investigating it,
and then somebody produced some investigation document. Oh yeah, actually we did, and we figured out they all just migrated without their food, clothing, weapons, possessions, brought their dead bodies with them, suddenly dug them all up, took the This is just that, this is something you know, nightmares are made of. So true hoax? I don't know, but there's certainly enough going on in Nunavut that I think you, me and Brian if your game, we start a go fund me page for airfare, hotel and Tim
Horton's gift cards. Okay, let's go. I would go up there, get a cup of coffee, sit around, watch watch for UFOs. So maybe when the ice melts, which I believe is for like a day and a half in August. But yeah, wreaky stuff going out at the North and South Pole where objects are just doing inexplicable maneuvers for decades. So why don't we take our second break and we can warm up, and then we'll get back to Mike's exciting conclusion. This is Hudson River Radio dot com,
your local Rockland County station. This is Hudson River Radio dot Com. Okay, we are back after that break, and what you couldn't hear is, Brian, we're gonna be taking an air street up to the tundra to look for UFOs. I don't know how we're gonna get it there, but let's do it. Yeah, there's no roads, but we can put it on a ship and for the day and a half that the harbor is ice free. We can roll the airstream. They make big sleds. Can we put
thigs sleds on it? You know, well, we are going to keep with our Arctic theme to some extent, and we are going to go to probably my favorite part of the world, as Linda knows all too well, this is Scandinavia, in particular Finland. Hello to of our Finnish fans teteva, email me, write me if you want us to come investigate host us for a UFO investigation you have please anybody what we do like to hear from
everybody around the world, So please if you are in Scandinavia. A lot of the stuff that you find is in obviously it's in Finnish or Swedish Norwegian, so Google Translate isn't necessarily accurate enough to really get good reports. So a lot of the information that I was reading was it wasn't so great for that reason. But we do have a lot of interesting things. The first thing I know we've touched on this in the past is the Buddhist yarvy UFO
flap in the nineteen sixties. It's poudhis yardvy. I'd like that pronunciation very well, though much better than I would have done. And excuse me. This is located as a municipality. It's about four hundred and thirty miles north of Helsinki, and it's just about ninety five miles south of the Arctic Circle. So it's up there. It's we're much higher, you know, northern latitude. And it's an interesting because if you go online and look this up,
there's a book which a photographer did. Her name is Maria locke Lax, and she based it upon. She did a book of photograph she's a photographer and she based her photographs on a book that her grandfather had written that she discovered when she went to visit her parents. And this book was written by it I believe it's soyny Locks. It's Si n I and it's called pud jarnovin Ufot. And I could not find an English version of that book, and I don't think you can get the finished one seemed to be out
of print. If I can get one, I could pretend to read it. I guess maybe I could probably pick out two or three words of page. But so she found this book about how her town where she grew up had this UFO flap in the nineteen sixties and kind of like something you would do or I would do. She just went and knocked on people's doors and asked, hey, were you there, And sure enough people started to talk about it, and she started collecting these stories and taking pictures based upon them.
But I'm going to go to some of her words here. Over the few years I worked on this project, I interviewed several people in the town and all their accounts were remarkably similar. Colorful lights would follow cars or people walking home alone. The lights would be silent, pulsating in different colors before disappearing into the sky. Sometimes bright lights would wake people up in their homes
in the middle of the night and would again vanish without a trace. The first UFO sightings in the area were made as early as the nineteen twenties, but because they were, and it's interesting, it seems to be a cultural throughout the world. It's very similar. Because of fears they would be labeled as crazy by others, they kept what they saw a secret and wouldn't talk about it till much much later. So how many more people saw things and
never reported it and took it to their graves? Yeah, one of the people I interviewed, meaning this is the photographer Maria lo Ox told me. I remember waking up one night and the room being awash with the most beautiful colors. I knew it was the aliens, but I wasn't afraid. I
knew they didn't wish me any harm. Although some locals I spoke to were still visibly scared and cautious of sharing what they had experienced decades ago, others said the strange lights were a thing that gave them hope, a sign they hadn't been forgotten. Wow. An interesting sort of statement there, But we've seen that with our own encounters, even in the Hudson Valley. How many people report they find it a tremendously positive experience, whereas others have the complete
opposite. You know that it's terrifying, it's scary, and you know, two people experiencing probably very similar encounters with two very diametrically opposed reactions, And yeah, I think that's interesting that we hadn't been forgotten. Yes, wow, yeah, I I would like to find a little bit more about that. Again, if I can track down a copy of the book, I can. I do have friends at Helsinki. It's a good reason to go and have them read the book to me, and there you go. And
that makes it a business trip exactly. Tax deduction, no tax fraud here, I promise. But they are listening, aren't they always? Now we're going to go to western Finland and the Gulf of Bothnia in a town called Pori. Pori, and the Finnish Air Force had a UFO sighting in nineteen sixty nine April twelfth, nineteen sixty nine during military training exercises, and it's the only encounter that is acknowledged as having been reported by the actual air force
itself, so they do acknowledge it. Now they reckon They suggest that it was probably a foreign reconnaissance aircraft. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. But during the flight at Poori Airport April twelfth, nineteen sixty nine, a Finish Defense Forces flight controller told a pilot in training, a man named Totamo Tukeva, to investigate seven air balloons that were floating out approximately fifteen to three thousand meters above the airport and balloon that's just I guess. The blip on
the radar is what I'm suspecting. They went by air balloons or maybe that's what they refer to as a target when they have him on the on the radar. Tukeva reported that the objects were ball or disc shaped, but could not determine his distance to them. According to the pilot, the objects accelerated from him away from him at great speed. Undetermined radar images were also later
reported two hundred kilometers away in Vasa. A second pilot and training Yoko Kurnin, says he heard the radio community communications between flight control and Tukova as well as observed the objects. According to the Fish Armed Forces magazine Ratavaki, the April twelfth reports were similar to other cases over bodies of water during ongoing military training exercises, and of course may have been due to transnational spyplanes or aircraft. So okay, well, yeah, I mean you have to say that,
but yes, and they thought they were unusual. Yes, And I'll note, you know, Vasa Pori they're on the western side of Finland, so they're not on the eastern border where they would have the border with Russia, where you might expect to encounter more of that type of spy planes. Although I don't know what kind of operations they were operating back then. The
Russians and so. But it's interesting that they actually had this report. I found a very cool encounter from Sweden, from a place called ongole Holme. I think I'm pronouncing that right. I probably am not. It's actually in the southwest of Suite of Sweden. It's closer to Copenhagen than it is Stockholm. That's how far down on the bottom of Sweden we are. And the man who had these sightings is a man named GHOSTA Carlson, and he made
a fortune with bee pollen extracts. So he founded a company that extracted bee pollen and he made quite a great career from it. Well. In the nineteen seventies he came forward with a report and said that in May of nineteen forty six, he was walking from the beach through a forest which had been planted in the soil to protect the coastlines. We had been on the beach, He's walking back in land when he noticed a light at the edge of
a clearing. He approached what, from a distance seemed to be a crew setting up a carousel. Upon entering the site, he reported seeing a disk sitting on a keel like thin and a pair of retractable legs. Carlson claimed to have interacted with the crew, one of whom used a device resembling a chest mounted bellows camera to keep him away. He described the human looking crew as wearing tight fitting white flight suits with dark boots, belts, hoods,
and earplugs. After witnessing the craft leave, Carlson returned to the clearing to gather what he believed were discarded artifacts, including a quartz rod. He measured gouges in the ground that he attributed to the craft, and created sketches that would later be used to form a UFO memorial at the site. Wow, I never heard of this mean either, and there is an actual memorial at
the site. You can go there. So he claimed that later in the year he would have a lot of these strange dreams and the UFO pilot would communicate ideas to him. He would later tell somebody the driver speaks to me. I don't know if it's words or thoughts I perceived, but he claims that these dreams are what spurred him to experiment with pollen as a natural remedy and start his company. So he attributes his success to a UFOE encounter.
Oh, so he wasn't the bee pollen magnate still afterwards, So after this encounter, he says, so he never discusses this before nineteen seventy one, nineteen seventy when he comes forward, he's already established, you know, he's a you know, well to do. He says that the circular well, the circular impressions with about fifty feet in diameter, one foot wide and less than one inch deep. He never found any marks left by a keel or
retractable legs. He claims that he sent the discarded quartz rod to the metaogical department at Stockholm University without disclosing the provenance of the courts, and that it came back to be completely mundane. I'm guessing that just means it was from Earth. I guess. A year later, Carlson erected a monument in the clearing with the landowner. So there is a there is a monument there. A Swedish euithologist wrote a book in nineteen ninety five with carl about the end
incident, called the Meeting and the Clearing. That's the English translation. The author of this book, the co author class Vaughan. Oh, yes, he's a great guy. Yeah, he came away a little bit. This disbelieving the encounter but believing Carlson's conviction. Okay, well that's fair. It's a hard yeah, tough pill to swallow, but he believes it. The
witness believes something happened. Yes, so you know, Carlson maintained that the events occurred, and that he he said, they might sound like dreams to others, but that he did they did happen. So again, you take it for what it's worth. Yes, Klaus Swan is a fabulous investigator and he has one of the largest He and some others have established one of the largest UFO libraries in the world. I sent him a couple of my books
an honor to be part of that. You know. Hey, they go to different countries and pack up cases of these you know, books and get them shipped. So yeah, he's doing really good work. And I know he is. I just saw his Facebook post today. He just landed in the US. He's doing a some sort of UFO documentary, which I hope will be in a language we can understand. I'm not sure, but yeah, yeah, I'll have to read that book of and what was in the
what was that the title of that? The title in English is the meeting and the clearing meeting in the clearing, Okay, I'll have to see if it's available in English. Well, well, you know, if you come to Helsinki with us, we can start in Helsinki, take the ferry over to starf and then we can go visit his library. I'm sure that. Oh, I'd love to. That would be quite an experience. I would love to. I'd be like a kid in a candy store. And then
we could do an episode from Scandinavia. We could do all right, We have all sorts of tax right offs going here. Now. I did find another interesting one from this is from although northern Germany. It's on the Baltic Sea next near Denmark, basically very close to Denmark cold enough, yes, And it's from April of sixteen sixty five. And it's called the air Battle of Strausund. I've never heard of this one, but it was April of
sixteen sixty five. Six fishermen witnessed an unexplained celestial phenomenon, an aerial battle, and the skies above the Baltic Sea near Strausund. As evening broke, a dark gray disc appeared high above the city center. So they report this battle. There is that much more really talked about it. But they report seeing some kind of an unexplained aerial phenomenon over the Baltic Sea in sixteen Wow, that's like our episode we did on all of those sightings from the sixteen
hundreds. Cool. Excellent. A couple more short ones. This one is actually from the CIA Ailes and it's reported UFO activity in June and July of nineteen fifty four, and it's uf unidentified objects photographed in Finland during and after eclipse. And it's taken from the Helsingen Sono matt which is a newspaper, and it reports several photographs of an unidentified object in the sky. We're taken
in Helsinki during the eclipse on June thirtieth, nineteen fifty four. According to Informed Circles, a round object which appears on the photographs is not the moon or a cloud. One photograph differs from the others in that the upper edge of the object is illuminated, as if the sun were shining on that hard
surface. The center of the object appears as a dark blotch. So, and there's a couple other report from the next day July twelfth of fifty four, strange object was photographed in the sky and marian Ahima, sorry, marian Hymena. That's the capital of the Ulland islands, Marianheim oh klue finish. It's like an independent series of islands that are part of Finland, but they're independent, I guess, like a territory. This occurred immediately after the sun
was in full view. Following the eclipse, the cigar shaped object appeared on several pictures taken consecutively. Then there was another later sighting on by fourteenth of fifty four, an unidentified oblong object with cytogen ukila flying southwest in the direction of I'm not even gonna tempt that one. The object, which was flying very high, appeared gray from the rear and very bright from the side. The object was in view for several minutes and was flying with the speed of
an ordinary plane. Now those are from Finland. Now there was a sighting in Norway during that eclipse as well, so now we're having a correlation.
Color motion pictures of unidentified flying objects were obtained by photographer Johnny Bjornolf during the recent total eclipse of the Sun. The pictures, which are obtained from an airplane lying at an altitude of forty five hundred meters, showed two shining discs with condensation trails moving at great speed in the direction opposite of that to the plane. So I was unable to find anything in a quick search. But I mean there's color motion pictures of this, yeah, footage out there and
other photographs. Were you able to find any of the I found some which which might have been but it was hard to Again, some of it's in finish, and I'm like, I think I know what that means, and it basically means I don't know what it means. No, you don't know what it means. Well, and well, if any of our Finnish listeners out there have access, we would love to see this, yes, definitely.
Now we go to Austria for the same time period. Who a contractor in how Halloween Austria reported that to the police that he and two other men cited a strange object in the sky over a ten in mountain shortly after midnight in June seventh, nineteen fifty four, or not long before the eclipse a couple of weeks. The object was glowing red and appeared to have a diagonal
streak across it. It seemed to be about three times as large as venus and moved spasmodically in a vertical and then horizontal direction, and the object was in view for about two hours. Wow, that's a that's a winner. Yeah, you know that hard to ascribe that to anything. Yeah, but the first one we talked about tonight was what twenty minutes, right, and that I had been doing. Yeah, so I mean two hours now, this is I thought was interesting. This is also from the CIA nineteen fifty
three. Very interesting. This is all that early Cold War period, and this is from Copenhagen, July of fifty three. Danish defense authorities take a serious view of the problem of flying saucers. The military experts are of the opinion that although most of the observations of flying saucers have turned out to be astronomical phenomenon, there remain the reports of trained observers, which, among other things, would seem to indicate that the saucers are dispatched from Soviet bases in
the Arctic Ocean. Okay, interesting take, So they were concerned that these were possibly However, they go on to talk about that the observations were matching up with a lot of remote controlled projectiles being traced in the atmosphere over northern Finland and Sweden, and that those they weren't sure of. So they think what they were claiming is they suspected they were coming from Soviet bases, okay, but there was no way to confirm. Is like the ghost rockets.
It might be the ghost they don't call them that in this okay. So for example, there's an incident which an officer and seven privates from an airfield in Jutland sighted an object in the air which resembled an aircraft, but which
we moved more rapidly than any known type of aircraft. And these Danish observations were compared with a number of Norwegian observations which occurred in October of nineteen fifty two, when, according to the Norwegian Defense Staff and the Norwegian Navy, an aircraft of unknown design flew over the naval base at Horton at the entrance
to the Oslo Fjord. Another incident, which has pointed out occurred on a maneuver recently in northern Norway, where the crew of an anti aircraft battery outside of Bodo Boden observed a mysterious object at great height. A jetplane was set up, but it was not able to reach the object, which disappeared at
a terrific speed. Doesn't sound Russian to me, No, And then, of course an expert of the report of the Danish Air Force Command emphasized the flying saucer traffic over Scandinavia seems to be a fact of great arrow technical interest. The flying saucer traffic. I love it. And this is from a CIA report. Yes. And then the last one is Norway. Now we've talked about or mentioned the Hastelein Norwegian lights, which I'm not really good to
go into. We could do a whole show on Hastelden and that whole sighting. But this was a item which appeared in a newspaper in Oslo nineteen fifty nine. Again, the CIA compiled several bright objects were observed in the sky near Bergen by several persons on the evening of March twelfth, nineteen fifty nine. According to Berger Storsund near Bergen of Storsen's near Bergen, there were five of the bright bodies, all which crossed the sky from north to south.
The first object which was first seen at twenty ten hours, took about two minutes to cross the sky and disappear beneath the horizon. In size and appearance, it could be compared to the Soviet spootnecks. About five minutes later, Object number two appeared, later to be followed by object three and four and five. According to the witness, several of his neighbors also store it, and his dog, which usually reacts to the presence of aircraft, paid no
attention. The objects were also observed with binoculars. So very interesting, and there's a course you can find many other sightings post nineteen fifties and sixties, but I found those interesting that the CIA felt compelled to compile and report them internally, and then of course now they're made available as part of a huge information dump that the federal government has done in general, not just on UFOs, but not a variety of topics. So we could probably spend hours just
talking about the CIA and FBI documents that go into UFO activity. Yeah, well, clearly, you know they're concerned Cold War, they're concerned about what the Russians were doing. But I'm sure the Russians had documents thinking it was the US, right, right, exactly, but yeah, fascinating, fascinating. So a lot of great stories from a lot of very cold places. Yes, I think we need a UFO Headquarters International tour of the Scandinavia to
start. Maybe hit you know, some of the finished sites, that Swedish site, maybe hastle In. Yeah. Oh, I've always wanted to go there. Yeah, you know, I mean it would be a it would be a lot of work, but I think we would have we could, we could suck out. Somebody's got to do it, that's right. Yeah, it's a tough job, but someone's got to do. We'll take one
for the team, all right. I would Yeah, I would love to travel and there's so many fascinating sites and send us you know, listen, if you're in any of these parts of the world or anywhere, we'd love to hear what your experiences are. Have you seen anything? Have you people and your members of your family, have your parents or grandparents told you about
things perhaps they saw in the previous decades. Love to hear about that, because it certainly seems that there's interest in not just the North and South polls, but in that you know, Arctic area itself. So I would like to like to hear more about that. Absolutely, so I think we all need to warm up now, so uh if you want to bring us out. So, once again, everybody, thank you for joining us here on UFO Headquarters. You have headquarters on Hudson River Radio. We appreciate your patronage.
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