Hudson River Radio dot com. This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters, Beautiful Headquarters, and welcome to another exciting and incredible episode of UFO Headquarters. I am Michael Wardon with Linda Zimmerman, and tonight, Linda, we have an exciting topic only yes, something that continues to pop up unfortunately, Yes, foaxes and the people who fall for them, Yes,
or perpetrate them. I guess yes or and both, Yes exactly. But I think we have a you have a little bit of news to share first I do. This is rather current. It's something from January nineteenth, twenty twenty four I found really fascinating and I recommend tonight people have a little pad and paper, you know, something with a pen to take some notes, because there's some things you should look up and listen to. And this I
suggest you go and listen to the pilot audio. We're going to Canada and in twenty twenty three, seventeen pilots reported sightings or some sort of anomalous things in the sky, which is a little uncomfortable when you're flying a commercial jet with passengers and something whizzing by you that you can't explain, but these were pilots from west Jet Air, France, British Airways, so you know, the stigma is lessening, but still you're putting yourself on the line. I'm
sure a British Airways pilot filing a you know, a UAPUFO report. It's not the greatest thing for your career, but anyway, So twenty twenty four January nineteenth, around the Winnipeg area, air traffic control gets a call from a pilot. You can listen to all this, look it up. January nineteenth, Canada. Is there any military maneuvers going on north of Winnipeg? And the guys like, no, no, no active military airspace. Why what are you seeing? No? No, you know, a little reluctant.
Finally, you know, there's these lights. They come together, they go apart, they form triangles, they go side to side, about fifty thousand feet that's you know, barely high. The guys like, no, we don't because basically there's nothing thing we know of. He goes honestly, I don't know what it is. So he's asking other pilots you seeing something, and at least four other pilots chime in that yeah, there's these bright flashing lights. They're zipping all around. It's hard to estimate, you know,
with nothing to gauge it against. You don't know the size. You know, you don't know the exact distance, but anywhere from fifty to one hundred thousand feet they're seeing all just lights zipping around and they'll form triangles or diamonds and then go apart, disappear, come back. It's it seems very deliberate. So and at four point forty five am, a Winnipeg air traffic controller somebody suggested their satellites. Yeah, because satellites zip back and forth.
But they're trying to get trying to get a rational explanation. And an Air Canada pilot flying from Seattle to Winnipeg was over Saskatchewan at the time, and he's like, I'm certainly not an expert, but they move from side to side and then they move away from each other and create triangles. It doesn't look like they're moving in some kind of orbit. But I'm not an expert on that. Then a Flare Airlines pilot who was dry who was flying from
Vancouver to Toronto says, yeah, it's kind of weird. About six of them are just randomly flying at high altitude at around the twelve o'clock mark. And then somebody from morning Star Air Express flying from Calgary to Toronto just flat outs they're definitely not satellites, and they're not like anything I've seen in fifteen years of flying at night. All Right, I would trust the observations of
pilots with experience and sort of know what they're looking at. Yes, they have their lives in the lives of all their parents on the line based on the you know, it's all up to their skills and abilities. And so then a cargo jet pilot flying from Ontario to to Winnipeg chimes in says, I didn't see them today, but we've been seeing these lights for about eighteen months or so, just to let you know, eight year and a half this has been going on. And then, as you know, once one
pilot starts talking, the others feel more confident. So a west Jet pilot comes in and said, yeah, I've seen them three or four times in the last month. And that night the night so this was early morning, from about four twenty to six am January nineteenth, there were a lot of sightings. You can listen to the record hoardings coming in and out of the
Memphis Air Traffic Control. There were a lot, a lot of sightings apparently in the South, particularly in the Birmingham, Alabama area, So that was a very busy night. The the skeptic Mick West, you know, the the air apparent to Joe Nickel, and that's saying a lot. Oh, they're they're starlink satellites. It's sunlight reflecting off star because you know, starlights Starlink satellites separate, go back and forth, up and down, back and forth. You know, you know, shut up and listen to what the
the pilots are saying. It has nothing to do with satellites. So I thought that was fascinating. So definitely you can go to YouTube. There's a lot of you know, clips of the it's fascinating to listen to the progression of the pilots, you know, chiming in. You know, I don't know what it is. I'm not saying what it is, but it's nothing I've ever seen before. So interesting stuff going on in our skies, yes, and good to see the skeptics have not changed their no, because it
has nothing to do with the eyewitness reports. It's that they have to win. They have to explain it and say basically, you're wrong, I'm right and right. Yes, the pilots were having none of it, and neither am I. No. Well, again, you have a pilot who's used to flying. They used to being in the sky, and they know what to see and what to expect to sh So when you see things outside of the ordinary, it all goes from the level of the witness. What's the
witness is normal? You know, to someone on the ground, starlink looks like an alien. You don't know what it is. I'll give you an example. Right before Christmas, I saw lights moving across the sky. It was a line of light like they were separated. They were bobbing up and down. They were not moving like an airplane. I'm like, what is that? I had my son with me, I'm like what those was like a spaceship. Well, it was dark, it was a little foggy.
Turns out it was part of the mountain and there was a nighttime candle light hype going on. Oh and they were walking the trail on the edge of the mountain. But in the dark, with a little bit of fog, you didn't see the mountain. We just saw lights. So it's very easy to jump to conclusions, but it was also very easy to explain that one. I would expect pilots would be the same way. They may see starlink, go oh, now that's starlink. I'm pretty sure they're not going to
put their their reputation on the line over satellite. No. No, and so many of them coming from all differents, going from east to west, west to east. Yeah, I think they know what they're looking at, and they know what they're not looking at. This thing they can't explain, and so yeah, it's just fascinating. And I you know, there's uh they took two and a half hours of communication with different towers and there's a really good, like nine minute video. It's it's worth listening to their actual
voices. Nobody's panicking, you know, nobody's saying, oh my god, what is this. It's like, you know, we'd we'd like, in fact, at the very end, we'd kind of like an explanation on this. Yeah, because our butts are in the air, we don't know what these things are. Essentially, if you read between the lines. So uh so that's our our news for tonight, and when we get back from our first break, we'll talk hoaxes. Hudson River Radio dot com. This is
Hudson River Radio dot com and we are back. So, Mike a break. That was a quick break. But shall we uh, shall I kick this off with a classic classic hoax? So yeah, so this, you know, we we like to think that hoaxes are kind of a recent thing, you know, starting maybe in the fifties and really taking off once everybody knew how to photoshop and then make videos. But what do they say,
There's nothing new under the sun. So we're going back to a story I highlighted and we never mentioned my books, and I'm I'm blatantly talking about one tonight because this is an excerpt from my book Bad Science, which the full title is Bad Science, A brief history of bizarre misconceptions, totally wrong conclusions and incredibly stupid theories and an excellent book. Thank you. I enjoyed reading it, Thank you, and it actually won an award for humor. People
would say, you won a humor award for a science book. I said, you obviously don't understand the history of science. So anyway, so this is a bad Science excerpt going back to eighteen thirty five. The New York Sun was a struggling New York City newspaper and on August thirty first, twenty first, excuse me, they said that they would be reprinting a series of six articles from the Edinburgh Current of the Scottish newspaper, and that these articles
were written by the famous astronomer Sir John Herschel. Now, you know, we amateur astronomers. The name of Herschel is revered. But for those who you know, like who Sir John Herschel, brilliant astronomer, chemist, mathematician, and if that wasn't enough, he also invented blueprints, you know, one of those men who just people who just did everything. He was the
son of Sir William Herschel, who discovered the planet Uranus. His aunt, Carolyn Herschel, was the first woman to discover a comet, discovered eight comets in all, did a scan of the entire sky. So the name of Herschel and astronomy were synonymous. This is a family of underachievers, clearly, yes, yeah, yeah, So you couldn't get better credentials than I will say. The alleged series of articles by Herschel. So supposedly that Herschel was
in South Africa, which he was observing. They said he was using a twenty four foot telescope, which is ginormous, especially for then it would have been if it was real. I don't think I'm spoiling anything here, and it had forty two thousand power. So the first article was presented on August twenty fifth, and it was a startling story of the lunarians moon people,
yellowish moon people with big bat wings. To be precise and write this down, because you can go look up sketches that were printed in the newspaper of these flying lunarians. And with this massive telescope, Herschel was supposedly also able to identify over one hundred and thirty species of plants and animals and the articles. People were mesmerized. They called it lunarian fever. The circulation of the paper shot up. People couldn't get enough. The only problem was it was
all nineteenth century bs. The Edinburgh Current probably wasn't even printing during that year. It was probably out of print for a while, but they published no such articles. Herschel never wrote any articles because he never saw any lunarians and that supposed twenty four foot telescope was written reality twenty inches and the articles had all been written by a man by the name of Robert Locke, who worked for the New York Sun. And it gets even better because the idea really
wasn't his about the moon people. He actually stole the idea from an article he published by an author you may have heard of, Edgar Allan Poe so EIGHTEENGI yes, so Poe had this article about these moon people. He steals it, says that herschel wrote it, and makes a fortune for the newspaper. So basically, why did lunarian fever happen? People wanted to believe in aliens, There was an alleged reputable source. The public is gullible and people
are unscrupulous. Back then, it was done for sales of newspaper and of course money. Today it's done for money, but the prestige of the hits, the downloads, the going viral social media likes and follows and views, and yeah, so what are we almost one hundred and ninety, almost two centuries later, and the same thing is going on. So I thought this was a great example of the stage was set and all the components were there for hoaxes, and we've just added more technology to it and made it more
accessible to anybody to do nowadays. Right, right, right, So I have a couple of other modern examples, So why don't we jump into my examples, take our second break a little later, and then you get to the icing on the cake, as it were. So let's let's go to two thy eleven, Irkutsk, Russia, Eastern Siberia. The locals for about a month were claiming to see pink and blue lights in the sky, orange orbs, and then something they thought, perhaps something had crashed, maybe a
UFO had crashed. So the table was set, we might have an alleged UFO crash. So two guys just happened to go out with their camera walking around in the snow and the bitter cold. About a month later, and oh what is this in the snow? Of course they're saying it in Russian, and they're in the town of Commence and they see a body in the snow. It's about two feet long, its leg was ripped off as if it had been in a crash or some sort of accident. It's grayish,
it's really creepy. Looking. You can look this up. The skin in particular looks really real, and it's just bizarre. It's bizarre. They post the video of this alleged alien body, you know, a UFO crash victim. It gets four point eight million hits on YouTube in three days. At the time, that was a record. That's that is going, That is going viral, Yes, phenomenal. It now has twelve million hits, so I guess they're still making money off of it from all the YouTube hits.
Well, a local TV correspondent sees this and says, you know that looks awfully real. Maybe it's the body of a dead child and there found it, or maybe they murdered it. You know it, you have to see it. So the correspondent goes to the police, and the police are like, maybe we have a real human crime here. So they bring the two men in and start interrogating them. And what started as a funny joke, now you're being entire interrogated by the police for a possible murder of a child.
They come clean and they say, look, we took a chicken skin, we stuffed it with bread crumbs, and we put it in the snow. And when I went back and looked at it, and I said, that's why that skin looked so cool. It was real. You could see where the feathers have been pulled out. You know, it's a chicken stint, and when you stuff it it kind of got a little translucent. It
was a real it was It was a real creepy uh effect. However, even with these two guys saying how they did it, why they did it, people still believe it was an alien and the government has covered it up and silenced these people. So of course, even when the truth comes out, have you seen that that video, Yes, I'm aware it was years a guy saw it, but yeah, but you touched on it. And
I'm going to touch on it later with icing on the cake story. But ultimately, that's what really hurts the whole UFO field is they just keep relying on the oh what, it's still a cover up instead of you know, at some point you have to draw a line in the stand say okay, you know what, that's fake. Not everything is a conspiracy. Not everything to cover up it just and that hurts the paranormal field in general, not just the UFO, but the whole umbrella term. It drives me crazy.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's why we're doing this show. Because when the story you're going to talk about came out, we were we were foaming and fuming and like, why do people keep falling for this? Oh? I know? So I have two other short ones, the two thousand and seven Haiti video, which everybody starts sending me links look at this. I'm like, no, people get mad. They get mad at us when you don't believe the fake video they just found on the internet. So I'm sorry.
It looked it looked cgi. So what the what that allegation video was? It was two UFOs discs flying overhead. You know, it was a nice piece of you know, creating a video, but it was just so clearly phony. But people ate it up twenty million views, even more than our star Chicken Alien Chicken Skin Alien. So the Los Angeles Times decided to get you know, let's actually look into this. There's a concept, and they
found the professional animator who used his MacBook to create it. It took him seventeen hours and he only posted it because he wanted people to see how he could create animations. He never dreamed. And you know, once the millions of hits start rolling in. Ah, maybe I better keep my mouth shut and enjoy it. So that's another one for people to look up two thousand and seven Haiti UFO video and you'll see, you know, you'll shake your
head and say, how did anybody believe this? And then this I remember when it was happening, and that day I'm getting all sorts of messages, Oh my god, there's a UFO over New Jersey right now, and I'm like, here we go again. So this was September of twenty twenty, and I'm going to say it right off the bat. The Goodyear Blimp was in Northern New Jersey over MetLife Stadium because that night was going to be Monday Night football. They you know, the Goodyear Blimp over the stadium covering it.
It was the Giants versus the Steelers. And for some reason on that day it was like everybody suddenly had never seen a blimp before. They're stopping on the highways, which if you know northern New Jersey near MetLife, you really don't want to stop on one of those crazy highways. New Jersey driveways will run you down. I don't want to drive on them. Stop and get out. Yeah, that's a very crazy area, very yes, very
dangerous. Yes. So people are stopping and they're taking videos and immediately posting them on Twitter and TikTok. Four million hits on one of the TikTok videos in one day. Four million in one day. And you know, so then pee other people are looking and stopping. They want to photograph the video, the UFO and titles they're posting it. UFO breaking news, real alien spacecraft captured on highway. Eye witnesses say, body came out of the UFO.
What. I don't know what they saw. Maybe they were getting dumping the garbage out of the blimp. I don't know. Instagram, there's one video of this guy live. I won't use the language, but there's an fing UFO. Look at that blank brow. They're you know, they're standing on the side of these busy highways filming the good gear blimp losing it. They're just lo using it because this is the most exciting thing in their life. They're seeing this UFO, except it wasn't. So it's kind of a
tragedy that so many people got sucked in. But to me, as a Giants fan, the real tragedy that day was that they lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers twenty six sixteen. So ah, that that's the painful part of it for me. But so basically, if it looks too good to be true, it is, and social media sites are not reality. I'm sorry people, Wait, wait a minute. You know you don't get your news from TikTok. I don't even have a TikTok account, nor do I have Twitter
or x whatever you want to call it. I don't have time for that nons for other people's nonsense. I have enough nonsense of my own to deal with. So maybe there are are good reports out there, but they are lost in a sea of hoaxing. And then they and then the you know, the skeptic, get to lump them all together. So those very rare good reports get lumped into the garbage can full of nonsense and garbage. They get thrown out of the trash because well, look, this is clearly hoped.
Everybody's hoaxing, and it's easy to paint or broad brush. We give they give the ammunition to the to the skeptic. Unfortunate, Yes, yes it is. So why don't we take our second break and when we come back, we are handing it over to you. All right, let's do it. Hudson River Radio dot com. Hudson River Radio dot com. The best thing to happen to the Internet. And we're back here and we are going to go to a segment that I AM calling the asient, the alien
Invasion of I AM or the icing on the cake. So if you're diabetic, you're gonna want to take your medicine for this one. So let's just jump right into this. On January first of this year, twenty twenty four, pretty recent around four, there's a mass disturbance reported at the Bayside Marketplace
in Miami, Florida. Bay Side Marketplace is a large outdoor mall. Among the reports are gunshots and this leads to a massive police presence, and if you go online look at the videos for talking cop cars lined up the block. And this presence really didn't make sense because the police said this was raging juvenile, rampaging juveniles, shooting off fireworks for people. And immediately that caught people's suspicion because why do you need so many cops for a bunch of kids
causing a little bit of mayhem? Had an outdoor mall, the police had locked down an incredibly large area around them all. And then what I think is the most disconcerting part is eyewitnesses recalled and we're talking about seeing multiple alien entities up to eight to ten feet tall walking around in the vicinity of the law. So the eyewitnesses reporting this, eyewitnesses were reporting that they saw people
shooting at the alien. That's a good idea, Probably not, no. It then came out that airspace over Miami had been restricted, that the airport had been closed down, the Miami Airport and police scanners were shut down. There was also a mysterious power outage occurring in multiple Miami neighborhoods at the same time. So of course the government tried to cover all this up in the
media. It was complicit and tried to avoid reporting on it. So the first reports, of course, begin to circulate on social media TikTok and x formerly Twitter. No shock there, right, and some on Instagram to lesser degree. But if you want conspiracy theories and such, go to TikTok and
x and you can lose yourself for hours. A video was shared to TikTok, which then spread not just on social media but to the mainstream media, entitled footage of aliens in Miami. That was the title of the video, and it should what appeared to be this giant, lumbering alien moving from above. The camera was looking down. This went viral as well, and again it was picked up on the mainstream press as well as all of your social
media. And the video did appear to show what looked like a seven to ten foot alien at the scene moving around, caught on camera indisputable proof. Other videos started to also circulate. One showed as many as three aliens on camera walking around or creeping around whatever, aliens doing them all? Even if I'm looking for after Christmas sales, I don't could be. I mean,
I would have thought Black Friday'd be a better day. But and then of course more videos start to pop up in all sorts of odd paranormal type activity in the mall. There was a video of people in the mall with some kind of manifestation appearing, that aliens walking around. It just became it took on a life of its own. So what was going on in Miami on January first, twenty twenty four, Well, was an aliens from another planet?
A lot of people were speculating this was aliens they were making contact. A big online presence argued it wasn't aliens, it was the Nephilum, the mysterious beings or a race of possible giants that are referenced in the Hebrew Bible.
That's apparently a thing people think could have been showing up. Of course, they could have been shadow people, and they were also possibly demons, So we've really brought it brought in here from just aliens, but aliens are well, most people went One theory that was circulating proposed that the juveniles themselves had opened up the portal it had brought these alien slash demons, shadow people, nephylum, insert your interdimensional creature of choice here into the world. Oh
my god, my IQ is dropping just listening to this. Yeah, you might want to might want to brace yourself. This is like thirty two flavors of stupid. Now everybody everybody has a smartphone today, Most people have a smartphone. But there's no clear video of the alien. And that's because people were reporting that when they tried to get pictures in video, their devices just wouldn't cooperate and work. And the government, of course tried suppressed this well.
The government tried to block it and it couldn't. And of course this blows up and on Twitter and on TikTok. I hate even saying it. The government was lying and there was no kids that were fighting at the mall, that the panic was real. There was panic, and that's because there were alien creatures at the mall. It's on video. Some described the aliens as being very quiet but aware that the humans were there. Again, the sides about eight to ten feet tall. One report they said they could turn
their head all the way around in a circle. Others thought they lacked bones and appeared to be just sort of I guess, hyper vendable. People reported that they had arms and legs, but no fingers or feet. I mean, you can look online and just read through so many of these. Others thought that they could teleport through obstacles, like they could just go through a wall or through a chair without having to physically go around it. That cell
phones were interfered with. That's why you couldn't get photos or videos. And the police or the government, depending on which one you want to think about, the big government or the little local government established a perimeter and would not let anybody leave the area until they had searched their phones for photos and videos, so they were stopping people and searching them. People saw black helicopters hovering
over the mall. We all know what black helicopters mean. And when this happens, witnesses is witnesses came forward, or witnesses who came forward claimed they were intimidated by what could have been the men in black. They would wake up in the middle of the night and see men standing outside their houses in dark clothes, wearing sunglasses, just staring at their house ominously. So they
didn't directly intimidate them, but just their presence alone is intimidating. The stories that were floating around these credible social media sites confirmed flights were grounded, police scanners disabled, and air traffic restricted. And they also confirmed that the police would never respond in such force to an alleged disturbance involving fifty juvenile because that's what it turned out to event. So this goes on for a few days and it takes on a life of its own. I remember you and I
talked about it. The minute I saw the video. I was probably cursing and swearing, but we guess it. So that is what I call the alien invasion of Miami. However, now I'm going to be a kill joke because the alien invasion of Miami turned out to be the not so an alien invasion of Miami. So let's go through the facts a little bit. Oh, you really want to spoil a good story with facts. If anybody is
offended by the truth, you may want to disconnect at this moment. So on January first, just after four o'clock, there was a chaotic disturbance at the Bayside Marketplace, an outdoor mall in Miami. Police did respond to this. Gunshots were reported, and when police showed up, there was fifty or more juveniles or mostly juveniles, basically discharging fireworksrap people fighting, stealing things, breaking things, and looting some storm. So the initial responding officers did what
they are probably trained to do, so they called for backup. They put out a citywide request for backup, meaning cops from all over Miami were now going to converge. And if there's one thing cops do really well is everybody wants to get to the scene of the action. No one wants to be fifty blocks away and hear it on the radio. I know, I was a cop at one time. You know, that's how we are. You
want to be there, you want to be part of the excitement. There was a massive police presence to begin with, because it's New Year's Day, Because a year before, on January first, twenty twenty three, there had been a terror attack in New York City when a man with a machete attacked three cops and injured them. So they were already on heightened alert because of the year before. Miami's a big city, so they had extra cops available. So it just turns out it all works out well, and there were
some arrest made of juvenile so kids are arrested. So those are the facts, at least on that end. But what about the power outage, the airport closure, restricted airspace, the police scanners not working well. Turns out the power outage was real and was caused by a motor vehicle action that damage an electrical box and caused some neighborhoods to lose power, not caused by alien.
But who was an alien driving the car? That may have been Yeah, this is where you're gonna want to hold on to your IQ points. The rest never happened. The airspace was never restricted, The airport never closed, lights are never grounded, and police scanners were still working. In fact, there is audio online of the police traffic communication if you want to listen. So, I know it's shocking to some, but we're gonna keep going.
Made the news, so the media wasn't silent. This was being reported on and there are videos of the disturbance as well as eyewitnessed so you can see video of the kids fighting, you can see eyewitnesses describe what was happening. Now, as for eyewitness accounts of the alien, because some people came forward and said I saw an alien, nowtually on social media people jumped all over this. Well, since then if you have come forward and said, yeah, I just kind of jumped in on the hope made it up.
I didn't see any alien. Not all of them have been honest. But I'm pretty sure that anybody that claimed to see an alien that night is either diluted themselves into believing it or is just that right line. I mean, I think that's a pretty safe conclusion. Unfortunately, social media likes and views and followers are just a big incentive to stretch the truth or just that right invented in this case, I think but let's get to the video. Because
we have video ofvail. Is that proof enough? What more do we need? It's on video, right case clothes. Well, the video shows people distorted people on camera in low light with shadows and low resolution and angle of the camera and stuff like that, but they are people and a very close look at it shows people. First thing I did when I saw the video posted, I zoomed in on my phone. I'm like, here we go.
We're all gonna look bad for a while because we're looking at a shadow of a person and it's now an alien and so I just and of course people did manipulate video also, so there's video of inside them all allegedly that was completely digitally edited. You can find a lot of different versions floating around because people jumped on and wanted to post. Again, everybody wants to post for that social media cloud, and it doesn't matter if it's true or not.
Now it's no surprise that TikTok and Twitter we're the big big two, and there's today there are people who have drawn the line, this is the hill that they're willing to die on. And it happens, and the government is suppressing it. It is a massive cover up, massive cover up. Now, if I know for a fact, if I was working when I was a cop, if I was working anywhere and there was aliens, I'm telling everybody I know, I'm probably calling you from the scene. You're not
gonna believe this. First person, I'm probably calling, even if they told me not to tell anybody, I'm like, yeah, right, I mean, and if you look at the amount of police response, how are you keeping this quiet? So and again, but people want to believe it and clear because everything else can be explained. It's just a cover up and we're still being lied to. And that really brings me to the point today with
what this hoax, because it really didn't start as a hoax. Initially, it was a real event, and it turned into a hoax because of some bad video and people jumping to conclusions, and that is Yeah. There are cameras everywhere, cell phones, ring cameras, security cameras, you name it, and for the most part, they're good at what they do, but they're not great. Even the best cell phone cameras aren't great for a lot
of reasons, and people just don't understand how phones can press images. Some phones use technology where if you take a picture, it actually takes a bunch of pictures and then compiles them into one picture to try to get the best picture out of it. Sometimes those things don't work. Camera's lag Any online form alleging the show, ghosts or UFOs are full of one hundred explainable videos.
Ring cameras are almost some of the worst. Yeah, people keep sending me they's clearly a spider on a spider web in front of their ring camera and look at this glowing multi legs alien or ghost or how about go brush the spider web away? And oh oh yeah, and we're the bad people for explaining it. Yes, where the big bed mean debunkers. So you
know, it's very hard. I guess you and I when when you do this enough you get good at looking at stuff, and you know, the camera angle sometimes is a dead giveaway, like wait a minute, who has the camera set up like this to begin with? Or oh, they just happen to have a camera set up in this location to catch this exact activity at this exact moment, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I keep a camera on my kitchen cabinet and it opens on its own. Yeah.
Well, it's usually there's some you know, illogical explanation to well, you know, someone's been taking cookies in my house and I wanted to find out who really do you really? Are they golden cookies or are they just ooreos? But I think what's important I want to emphasize is is there's something that separates legitimate investigators of whether it's UFO phenomena, paranormal phenomena, anything like that.
And I like to consider you and I amongst that group of legitimate investigators, and that is we never jump out and say we have ghosts or aliens or whatever. You know, the TikTok video that really starts at all is aliens in Miami. They've already made a conclusion. I have a video that's an alien. I'm gonna put it out there as an alien, and then of course it gets repeated. The people out there doing the good work are
out there telling the stories. But we're not jumping the conclusion like looking at a video going oh my gosh, that's a glowing, multi limbed interdimensional creature on your ring camera. This is amazing. No, we don't do that. That would make use Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, once you break your reputation, that's it, there's always a crack in it, and people can always point out, well you believe this at this post.
So I would rather air on the side of caution with so many of these, And plus we get so many photos from people you don't know the conditions, the angle, the you know what, I can't you know it's a blob of light on a picture. Okay, no, I don't know what it was, but I wasn't there, And people like, well, can't you see a face in it? Or don't you see the structure? No?
I you know, for the most part, it's it's tough. I you know, I I've come to loathe for the most part, people sending me f potos because how can I say, I have no idea how you know, especially when oh, my friend took this, Well, what were the conditions, what was the angle? What? You know? What exactly why were they taking this picture? Right? So, which doesn't mean people still aren't taking good pictures, but you know, for every good one,
there's there's a lot that aren't. Well. Well, I've noticed. I know it's not UFOs, but it's along the same line as people are more and more scanning their their family photos, old one and now they're finding ghosts in old family photos because I saw one online not too long ago. It was a wedding from the nineteen twenty where the person knows for a fact that one of the people pictured was not at the wedding. A person was not even a thought in nineteen twenty, but no, a fact that that person
was not there. Or my favorite, the really old photos that are fading. You know, they're they're degrading. They weren't stored properly. They weren't they're exposed to light or the you know that non acid free paper. We'll look this, this person missing their legs, that's a ghost. I mean you and I we both do a lot of research and have seen old photos. I have them in my computer where people are missing legs in a photo or an arm. Because that's just the photos degraded. My first thought isn't
ghost, That's certainly not. But again, we value the credibility and we're willing to say no, that's that's explainable because we know that when we get some of the things we can explain. It just reinforces the amount of effort we put into that, the amount of you know, integrity, the credibility that goes behind our names. And that's one thing I think you and I
have preserved for well over twenty years now, and that's our reputation. And that's so hard to do in this field, in any field, but let alone the UFO community of the paranormal community, and that makes us, I think, stand out from so many others that that credibility and integrity, I hope, So I hope people think that. So, you know, do I have any hope that this will all stop? New now, particularly with
AI, it's getting even easier to generate these things. So it's it's just making life really tough if you're trying to do an honest job of investigating. It's it's hard enough with no technology, but you know, you pile all this on there, so you know, just common sense and don't jump on the bandwagon. And uh, if it looks like if it looks too good
to be true, it probably is. Yeah, I think not always, but I think it's a good rule of thumb is if it looks too good to be true, at least you know that it's time to get the microscope out and really it now. Yeah, And I'm not a photo expert you know. I that's that's the bottom line. I'm a researcher, I'm an author, but I'm not a photo expert. So uh, you know, some photos look great, but I don't know. Again, I don't know
the condition and I don't know what technology was used to produce it. So yeah, not we love what we do, but please everyone, don't make it more difficult. No. No, but you also don't see what us posting on TikTok and Twitter. No. Like I said, I don't even have accounts. Not interested. So and that's what a lot of groups do. That's all they're interested in is hosting a social media whether the UFO groups, ghost groups. The first thing they want to do is go out get
evidence, put it out there to get more people to follow them. Yeah, whether or not it's good evidence or bad evidence, that sort of doesn't even enter into the equation. Yeah. I think that's where my antisocial behavior comes to an advantage, because I don't care to post that much. No. So, oh, before we end tonight the Pentagon report, we should just mention that that just came out. That nothing to see you here, Everybody move along. We have no evidence of anything at any point don't worry.
There's no aliens, there's nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And people are so disappointed by this. Why do you care about a government who's been lying in this field for seventy years? Do you really care what they're saying now? Everybody hangs on, Oh, this is disclosure. We don't need the government to give us disclosure. People who who've had experiences, who just talk to witnesses, to read a book, you know, educate yourself
in the field. There's more than enough evidence to say something non human at the least. I don't know what it is. We don't know, you know. And these things we're seeing today, they're not us, they're not Russian, they're not Chinese. What that leaves that is entirely up to you to determine. But yeah, so people have just been crushed and disappointed by this Pentagon report. Yeah, not losing sleep over it. No. I would have been shocked if they came out and said there was something to it.
Yeah, and I would have probably been, oh my gosh, this is groundbreaking. Yes, yeah, this was to me to expected outcome absolutely absolutely so. All right, well, hopefully we haven't burst too many bubbles tonight. But yeah, go hate mail, No hate mail, no hate mail. Go check out these videos and look for yourself. It's it's worth educating yourself at the very least. And just remember this is nothing new. As I said in that first case eighteen thirty five, this nonsense was being
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