Helicopters and UFOs

This is Hudson River Radio dot Com. This is Travis Walton, and you are listening to UFO Headquarters. Fuiful headquarters, and a very good evening to all of our listeners far and wide, whether you're here in the Hudson Valley, the United States, or in one of the many other countries that joining us. My name is Michael Wharton. This is UFO Headquarters, and of course waiting here who was absent last month. So I am so happy to have her back. I had to I had to fly the UFO solo last

month, but I did okay, so it did great. Thank you. It's so good to see you, so good, thank you. It's good to be bad. It's good to be anywhere after what I went through. So yeah, still alive and ready to dive into some UFOs again. Missed you guys. UM. Before we get in tonight's topic, I think we UM, we should talk about your book a little bit because in case people are new to the show or haven't been listening, which they should catch up

on it. UM should know that the definitive volume of Hudson Valley UFOs is available. It's out there. It is UM a remarkable work. I mean thank you. I know what you went through to do it, because I've been on the hit that end too, of the pain and suffering. But it is UM, it's truly anybody interested in UFOs, I think it's must have in their in their collection. It's going to be a reference for for years to come, so I think long after I'm gone hopefully. Yeah,

it's UM Hudson Valley UFOs the best evidence. And I have a funny story about that. I was, UM, I do other podcasts. I'm sorry, I podcast cheater UM and I was on the coast to coast and George Nori had the book and he said, this thing is this thing is huge. He said, if you dropped it out of a building, it would kill someone. So wow, what a what a great endorsement. Maybe I should put a disclaimer on the warning this book could kill you if it falls

out of a building. UM. I have to go listen to that interview. How did it go with George? Oh went good? Good. You know, we try. It's like you have two hours, but you don't have two hours. Uh you know, And it was like, oh, how am I going to get it? Because we were covering animal reactions and the Hudson Valley. So um, but yeah it was. It was a lot of fun. And uh, I know a lot of people are buying my book, but could you please somebody leave leave some reviews on Amazon because

it really helps, you know. I know, if I'm going to look for a book and nobody's reviewed it yet, you know, it's you can be a little skeptical, so you don't have to type. I know, people like, what am I going to write? You know, like, oh my god, I have to write a sentence. You can at least leave, um, you know, just press like five stars and and they're you know, I'm assuming you like, if you don't like it, go away, don't Yeah, yeah, don't don't leave an don't leave a review

on Amazon. But you would have to question your your your your view of the world if you didn't like your any of your books. I mean, just and right back at you. Yours are doing well as well, and yeah, they're they're plugging along. I actually sold out of my first my first round of hardcovers locally. Wow. Good. In the process of getting another order. I have to decide it before I write my next book.

I'm going to go back to my my Richard Jennings book, okay, and I'm gonna update it with the new information um reform at it because I want the format to be the same as the current book and put it out as a second edition so that all my books will follow the same format. Wow, so you're gonna have large books that if you drop out a window you could also Yeah. So definitely mine is what here? You go right behind

mine? My CLU serious physical injury. If it does well, we are here to talk about UFOs tonight, so maybe maybe we should actually get into that and tonight's And Linda, I gotta tell you when when you suggested this topic, it dawned on me. It's how come we've never discussed this one

before. It's not something you hear a lot of, and that's I think a lot of people are going to find it interesting because you hear about everything else, but this is sort of you know, yeah, I you know, because it's helicopters and UFOs if you haven't seen the the title and I was just doing some research I don't know, a couple months ago, and I was like, oh, that's a fascinating case and it's a you know,

involves a helicopter because you hear fighter jets and things like that. And then I'm like, then I realized, how many cases have we heard in the Hudson Valley that involve helicopters. So so when I put up the little uh blurb for today's show, I said, sometimes UFOs chase helicopters, and sometimes helicopters chase UFOs. So we have a couple of those cases tonight. So let's let's dive in. We're going back to nineteen seventy three October,

and what was going on in October seventy three. There was a little case called Pascagoula. If you're not familiar with that, look that up Mississippi October eleventh, Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker, and we could do a show on that. But Calvin Parker is still alive. And nobody does the Pascagoula case better than the man who lived it. Um, so I recommend you. Um he did some good shows on podcast UFO and other shows like that.

So great entity abduction case. But just one week later, seven days later, October eighteenth, nineteen seventy nine, we're going to Texas. Umh, no, excuse me, We're not going to Texas. That's another case. We're going to Ohio near Mansfield, Ohio, which I know will ring a bell with you. The Mansfield Reformatory. Yes, very haunted location. And by the way, I've been there, you haven't, so we're both ways.

So so October eighteenth, nineteen seventy three Army Reserve you H one helicopter was being flown by Lawrence Coin. Also when this crew was Lieutenant OReGO Jesse, Sergeant John Healy, and the crew chief was Robert Yanisk. They had left port Cleveland Airport, had gone to Columbus, and they were having routine medical exams. So this was no big deal. You know, you get in the helicopter, your fly to Columbus, you get your exams. They're

on their way back. It's about ten thirty pm and they're heading back toward Cleveland, so can't get much more routine than that. Except about eight miles east of Mansfield, the crew chief, Robert Yanisk, observed a bright, bright light off to the right. You know, there's other certainly it's Ohio, going to be a lot of air traffic, but this looked difference different

out on the eastern horizon. They were flying. The helicopter was flying north at about twenty five hundred feet and the pilot again, Coin, look at that coy n E for those you want to look it up. This light is pacing the helicopter. It's going parallel to it on the right side, and they're just curious because they can't identify it doesn't doesn't look like familiar air traffic. Then it gets a little worrisome because this light starts heading towards them,

and at the same altitude they're moving at about ninety knots. They estimate this object is heading towards them at about six hundred knots. I don't know if you would panic, but be a little concerned at this point, like, what the hell is this coming at me? You know, come at us so fast. So the co pilot, Jez, he's in the left seat. He can't see the object and he had been flying at that point.

So Coin takes over the controls because well, here's in his own words, I took the controls from Jesse because I thought it was going to hit us. I braced for impact. I pushed the collective down. Let me stop right there. In a helicopter. The two main controls are the collective and the cyclic. The collective is for going up essentially altitude up and down,

so he pushed the collective down. He's trying to dive essentially as best you can in a helicopter because he thinks they're all about to die by. You know, you don't have a good chance of floating down to Earth if you get hit and disabled. You know your helicopter is disabled. So he starts to descend. I then looked at the altimeter. It was showing seventeen

hundred feet. Okay, so they were at twenty five hundred feet. He's brought them down to seventeen hundred feet to hopefully have this thing missed them. At this point, they contact the tower at the Mansfield Airport, like, what the hell is that coming at us? But for some reason reason the communications are garbled and interfered with so coincidence, I think not. I think not exactly. So then he goes on to say the object seemed to be

descending with the helicopter as the helicopter came down. The object came down, but it was still headed for our road side, as if to hit the helicopter from the right side. So he starts to you know, coin At this point, obviously they're all fearing for their life. They think they're about to crash. He starts evasive maneuvers. Um crew chief yanisek he he is terrified about a mid air collision at this point. Um. But then something

very strange happened. The object goes around to the front of the helicopter, slightly above it and stops. And that's a good trick. Yeah, stops in midair. Yes, there you go. At this time, and this again is the quote, a light came and swung around ninety degrees toward the helicopter. It came through the lexiglass, and the entire cabin turned green from the light. Store that green light there, Yes, that's the whole light is. The whole cabin is bathed in green light from an object stopped in

front of you. That almost hits you. Yeah, a little nervous at this point. Yeah, you're sweating bullets. Perhaps you're probably saying a few prayers your bath. Yeah. The light was pyramid shaped that beamed down and came through the front of a helicopter. And this is another from Healey. He said, this was just a humongous green light shooting down on us. A very definite cone shape to the light, so it wasn't just a big, broad, random beam. You could look at the light and actually see

the beam. Okay. At this point in this light, which they think is a few seconds long, they see the craft is. Depending on the angle, either looks like a cigar or a disc. So I guess whether you're seeing it on the side, it's tilted a little, a red light at the nose, a dome on top. It's solid metallic structure, and the lights are reflecting off the structure, and it was solid. You could not see stars through this craft. So it's a solid metallic object with incredible

bizarre flight characteristics beaming a light on them. Okay, so remember he had that collective down. They are in the configuration of descending and rather rapidly, and it's impossible for a helicopter unless there's this huge updraft or a star Trek tractor beam to lift the helicopter. However, in a matter of a couple of seconds, the helicopter goes from seventeen hundred feet to thirty five hundred feet. Now, if you're on an elevator, you feel right, you feel

something going up. They felt nothing. Their stomachs should have been on the cabin floor right, right, almost two thousand feet in a matter of seconds, right, they should have definitely been aware of that physical sensation. Yes, so it stops, the craft stops. It's got this green light. It's pulling the helicopter up towards it again. That has to be terrifying.

And just when they think all right, we're probably goners the craft to the beam, the green beam goes off and the craft in a heartbeat, shoots off to the west and is absolutely gone. So when they land, you would imagine they have some stories to tell, but this is Army Reserve. They're probably not big on, you know, people telling stories. But Coin realized this was too important. He just had the crap scared out of him. His crew was in danger, he reports, He talks to the media

right away, he goes soon after, he goes on Dick Cavitt. You can go go to YouTube look up the Coin, the Coin incident, helicopter incident. He did not give the military any chance to bury the story, which kudos to him. That took some guts. That took some guts, Yeah, absolutely did. But you know, he was highly trained. There was over twenty years of experience amongst the four crew members. So you know, how else how do you explain this? What what kind of craft can

pull up a helicopter in a couple of seconds? And you know, Linda, I think it's important for the listeners. I know you have been on helicopters and I've had of being on them a couple of times in as a police officer. They are completely different than being on an airplane. It is not the same experience. I mean I certainly wasn't piloting them, but they were not anything close to flying, even on a small airplane like one of

those little puddle jumpers. I mean right, So to think how you know how easily susceptible they are to the you know, the air currents, you feel it a lot more. It's certainly had me grabbing the first time it took off. I was grabbing that seat a little hard. For a couple of minutes, I realize was okay, this is normal, but it's you know, it's I've flown dozens and dozens of times and airplanes. It's a different experience. I can't imagine you're in this helicopter number one. It's small,

it's cramped, not a lot of there's no real room. You know, you're wearing a helmet or they've got their communication system is all you have and you're you feel everything. So for them, I mean, you're getting pulled several thousand feet within seconds. And to have that experience and not have them even feel it, like just all of a sudden, we're here at one thousand and ruppit three thousand. I mean, you're going to feel that

under any other condition. So what what kind of technology was this? You know, how would they have this ability? Yeah? And so fast too. It wasn't a gradual thing. It's like boom, there there you are. So I do have to mention the official stance is that it was a meteor. I mean yeah, because meteors paced helicopters and have tractor beams to pull them up. Well, at least it wasn't swamp gats or venus.

Yeah, I guess, I guess. But how stupid is that? But you know, he could say, oh, it was a hoax with these four guys decide to get together and play a joke, which would be really bad idea in the Army reserve. But there were other witnesses. Fortunately, so like the Governor of Ohio around this time saw a UFO vertical amber light. So the governor himself saw something. That same night. Nearby, Lee Kaiser and his sister were in their backyard. They saw an oval object with

red lights. Then everything was bathed in green light. So remember the cockpit was filled with green light. They're standing in their backyard near Man's Field and everything turns green. Okay, so that's a pretty good substantiation. Jean Elias is, she's in bed. She lives six miles from Mansfield Airport. She hears a low loud helicopter. You know, she hears traffical air traffic all the time. She knows this is not normal. She's afraid that this helicopter

is going to crash. So she does the only same thing. She hides her head under the pillow because clearly that's good, that's the best protection for that. But she pulls her head out of the pillow because her son John in his bedroom is yelling that his bedroom has suddenly lit up with a green light. So CUFO is busy that night again Mansfield area green light again.

Um, several people Brian Stevens, Glenn Stout and a couple of coworkers watched this alighted object and in their words, they thought it was going to collide with a helicopter. So people on the ground seeing the green light, they're seeing the UFO and they also thought this object. So these guys were you know, these uh army, the crew on the on the helicopter that they told the truth and they were corroborating witnesses on the ground. And last a

woman by the name of Judas Ham. She said she almost screamed because she thought two planes were about to crash, so she also saw it. So this is there's there's so much, you know, to get into with this case, but I love it because they are credible pilots who thought their lives were in danger, you know, did the right thing, evasive maneuver, you know, invasive maneuvers, and then had the guts to start talking to the media immediately. And you know, we've had this conversation many times.

Military pilots, Number one, they're highly trained. They don't just put anybody behind the controls of you know, multimillion dollar helicopters or airplanes. Right, this doesn't happen you know, these are men who and women who have been extremely well trained, their experienced, they know what they're seeing. He's you know, it's not his first flight, right, and I'm sure he would know a meet here versus a green light. And you know, we're talking

in nineteen seventy three. Today, if a military personnel came I Ford and said hey, I saw something, it would be like, oh, okay, yeah, cool, yeah, what happened. But in nineteen seventy three, that just didn't happen. That that's to me enhances the credibility because they had a lot to lose, not much to gain. You weren't you weren't certainly getting famous here from it. And when you have other witnesses corroborating it in that area seeing the same object, the same light, how do you

chalk up you know, how do you blame it on a meteor? Yeah, and it's questioning intelligence. What do you saying about your pilot if that's the official response? Exactly? Exactly. Yeah. So altogether, this I think is one of the most important cases. If you were, you know, put together a list of best evidence cases U s see. This is the kind of thing. This drives me nuts with the new UH government to UFO task Force, study group or whatever that I want to look at anything,

you know, any of the old cases. They might want to check this one out. Um, you have four competent crew members, you have ground witnesses. Um, can you prove what it was? Do you have you know, high tech flear you know images or anything? You know? No, but it's certainly something that builds the case that fifty years ago this stuff was going on and and big time. So UM, I think this is a good point to take our first break. I actually kind of forgot

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Radio dot com. And we are back from our first break Hudson River Radio and new headquarters. UM Michael Warden, Linda Zimmerman, and we just heard the fascinating case, UM, but now we have another equally interesting case. Flenda. And again, if you're just tuning in, this is all about helicopters and UFOs. You hear a lot about pilots. You know commercial pilots,

fighter pilots, but you don't often hear about the helicopter encounters. And I believe Linda the next story, we're going to turn the tables on the UFO a little bit exactly. First case, UFOs after helicopters. Now we're going helicopters after UFOs. And this is we're going back to December twenty ninth, nineteen eighty. And that might ring end of December nineteen eighty might ring a bell with some people out there. There was two days earlier a case

known as Rendelsham so over in England. So it's just interesting to see how, you know, we had Pascagoula a week before the coin incident. May just be coincidence, but it's curious to see how some of these major cases are within days or weeks of one another. So this one, we are going to Texas and we have Betty Cash, Vicky Landrum and vicky seven year old son grandson. Excuse me, Kolby. Now they were trying to find a place to play bingo, go to a bingo hall, but apparently Monday's

bingo halls are closed. This was not knowledge I was aware of, but I don't know they still have being go halls or they just do it at casinos now, I think, you know, I think a lot of places doing like firehouses, senior centers and oh okay, okay, I think it's still got a big following, you know. Okay, So too bad they didn't find a bingo hall because they ran into a bit of trouble. They were driving from New Caney to Dayton, Texas, driving an olds cutlass.

It's about nine pm, and they see a light and figure it out. It's just you know, normal jet or something air traffic from Houston Airport. But it's moving closer and closer, and the closer it gets, they realize it's glowing red quote like heated metal. So the subject looks superheated and it's diamond shape. There aren't many UFOs diamond shape. I think I can think of maybe five offhand. You know, there's certainly more, but right a

rare. That's a rare, rare shape for sure. So it's a glowing red diamond shape, very very low and as if that isn't bad enough, flames are coming out underneath it. I would probably turn around and punch the accelerator. Well, Colby's very scared. Um. But Vicky, who was very religious, tells her grandson that's Jesus. He will not hurt us. Um. Well, that's an interesting interpretation. Um. But it turns out it was not Jesus. Um. Betty stops the car about one hundred and

thirty feet away. She wanted to get a better look. Now, if there's something glowing red hot, spitting flames, don't get out of the car. No, right, No, I've gotten my good enough look. I'm not getting a second. Yes, I have my little ones with me. Yeah, so Betty's just here. She gets out of the car. She feels extreme, extreme burning heat, so she tries to get back into the car. She grabs the car handle, burns her hand. It's so hot she has to use her coat to open the car. That's the kind of

heat, you know, get away. The interior of the car was so hot that when Vicky put her hand on the dashboard, it left an impression. It was probably, you know, like a plastic vinyl type thing. Right. That's so, the plastic was so hot it was pliable. Colby is the only smart one. He's trying to hide under the dashboard, which probably protected him from what I am assuming was some sort of radiation as we will as we will see, So the craft starts to move up off and

this is when the helicopters appear and encircle the craft. All right, we are not talking one, two, or even ten helicopters. They counted twenty three. And these are just not ordinary little you know thing. These are the large twin rotor chinooks. You don't know what, Yeah, you know what a rotor at the huge they're huge. Yeah. Who has chinooks? Well the military and who right, who else would have twenty three chinooks to

encircle a UFO. Okay. Some people speculate it was an experimental craft gone wrong and they were escorting it somewhere. I don't, you know, whatever the case is. Clearly this is a military operation. Now these chinooks and chinooks and craft finally move off. Other people saw there was a police officer,

Lamar Walker. He and his wife, They saw twelve helicopters in the area, so they didn't see the whole but you know, certainly corroborated Betty and Vicki's account, and others saw a diamond shaped craft with flames coming out of it. In fact, one man, Jerry McDonald, described the flames as like in a settling torch. So either this craft was poorly constructed or it was in distress something you shouldn't have, you know, burning flames coming

out of a craft at at low altitudes. So they saw that this whole thing took about twenty minutes. They go home, you know, the crafts move off. They go home that night, all three of them, burning sensation in their eyes and skin, headaches, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. Betty more so because she's the one who got out. She went to the hospital and the doctor, her doctor, a doctor McClelland, was sure she

had been exposed to ionizing radiation. Her hair was falling out, she was too weak to walk, her fingernails started falling out, her skin was blistering, She had blisters in her eyes, in her mouth. Sounds a lot like radiation poisoning. Yeah, rightes, Yeah, So they even she's in the hospital the first time, twelve days. They even put a sign on her room door hazard, you know, radiation hazard. They didn't want people going in there. They thought she was so irradiated that she would get them

sick. She comes home, she goes back for another fifteen days, goes home, goes back again. So she was very, very sick. Vicky and Colby were also sick, but just not to that extent. Betty eventually developed breast cancer and she died eighteen years to the day of this incident, and just a lifetime of horrible, horrible health issues. Vicky lived to a ripe old age, but had some issues. Now, very interesting, there is a story which has some corroboration, that where the UFO was hovering over

the road, a unmarked road crew. Now the local county town has no record of any of their road crews going out there. They stripped off the top layers of pavement where this craft had been hovering and repaved. That's that's pretty interesting. Yes, yep, well we didn't do it, Nope, nothing to see here. So clearly it probably left burnmarks or radiation. And you know why we've been doing this. I just did a quick Google maps check um the area of Dayton, Texas. It's near Houston. Apparently are

multiple military basis. It's not only is Fort Hood you know, reasonably close, but you have joint Reserve based Ellington Houston MEPs. You have joint Forces Reserve Center, State of Texas National Guard UM just and then you have you US Army Reserve Boma. I'm looking at it. The whole area is saturated with military basis, so there's no wonder how they could easily stir up twenty

three shot the helicopters. And these are the helicopters. If you see videos of them lifting a tank, you know they're they're huge, so you know they'll flight tanks and vehicles and stuff. If there's tanging from them like nothing like they're picking up a you know it's hunka truck. I mean, it's fascinating that we can have that technology. But the fact that you have twenty three of them, it's just I would not suspect it's a experimental craft.

At that point, are you going and ripping up the pavement you have radiation? Yeah, it's very odd. So because they were so sick, they started contacting their senators, the Air Force. They got lawyer. They hired lawyer Peter Gerston, who was in the Hudson Valley for many years trying to you know, was an advocate for the during the Hudson Valley Wave. So he was trying to get the truth out then, So that was a famili

your name. So in nineteen eighty one they brought a lawsuit against the federal government for twenty million dollars because they say, hey, you know what was going on? These were your helicopters, that might even been your craft. We got sick as a result. But no surprise, it languished for five years and the case was dismissed as the plaintiffs hadn't proven that the helicopters were from the US government. Well where were they from? And was the US

government really going to be forthcoming? Yep, that was ours? We messed up. Yeah, sorry about that. So yeah, Betty said, there just was no justice left in the United States. And as a final insult, during the trial, government witnesses testified the US military doesn't have any i'm in shaped aircraft like they'd tell us if they did. Well, that's what I was going to say. Is that something they would really testify too and say, oh, hey, you know, by the way, we do

have a secret aircraft or you know it's a diamond shape. We're working on it, but don't tell anybody else speak eachwhere. But yeah, I mean they had to. I mean in retrospect, there would be no other outcome. We could look at it now and go, what were they thinking? The government's never going to acknowledge anything in nineteen eighty one, right right even now what they're what they're kind of releasing seems to be like, I'll tell you what we want to tell you what we think will sound good. Yeah,

but and here's the shortened lower resolution video. Yes, yeah, please look at this early days of YouTube, you know, like four twenty resolution or something, and you have to look at the pixels and squeeze your eyes. But yeah, that's yeah, this committee wants to do something. Probably in a heartbeat, they can say, all right, what was the military

doing December twenty nine, nineteen eighty near Dayton, Texas. Let's get this one, you know, out clid because that obviously the knowledge is you don't scramble twenty three chinooks and not have a record of it somewhere. So yeah, so that was a case of UFOs surrounding and chasing the I've excuse me,

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at the other monitor. I got two monitors going here, but welcome back. I guess the Hudson River Radio and UFO headquarters. And you know, Linda, we're talking about helicopters and UFOs and here in the Hudson Valley we have Indian Point Nuclear power plant and certainly no shortage of UFO sightings connected with that location. And indeed it's a common theme in a lot of UFO sightings

throughout not just the United States, but the world. Um, you know, nuclear power plants seemed to be of interest or you know a lot of sightings. And there was one since here and my computers like doing things in the nineteen eighties and the end point there was one instance with a massive craft with military helicopters chasing after it, which again, you know, it's nice to see once in a while we get to chase them. Although I'm not sure what you do. And it turns around too, you know so.

But but again, in the Hudson Valley, we certainly have no shortage of military bases. In the eighties, Stewart would have been at full capacity. I'm not sure when they started to really scale that down, but yeah, and there's still the Air National Guard there, which I have us will save to the end. I do have a helicopter at the Air National Guards story

at Stewart. So yeah. Over the years, we've mentioned so many cases where witnesses say, you know, the craft started moving off and the helicopters were coming after it. So that is not uncommon in the Hudson Valley. But let's go for a much more recent one out to Arizona. February of twenty twenty one, there was an unidentified object in sensitive airspace near the This I was not familiar with the Davis Montham Air Force Space near Tucson. Ever,

hear of that. No, No, a US Customs and Border Patrol helicopter was sent to investigate and whatever this object was almost collided with it. So here again we have, you know, an object almost hitting a helicopter.

Well, the Tucson PD Police Department sends up their helicopter and they see a single steady green craft with a single steady green light on the underside, and it is now flying free Leaf who controlled airspace between the Air Force space and the Tucson Airport, so there should not be any craft there, and you would hope the military was not testing something almost running into Border Patrol helicopters

or Police Department helicopters, one would hope. So the pilot the crew of the Tucson PD helicopter said the craft was making highly erratic maneuvers in a manner to hamper the crew, the crew's ability to see it, to attract it visually. So they're trying to head towards the craft to get a good look at it. It goes under them, it goes behind them, it goes around them, and this is great. I was trying to find an analogy

to explain this because I saw the path. They had a diagram of the flight path of the helicopter trying to chase this thing to get a good look at it. It looped around fourteen times. And what I realized it looked like you know those incredible chocolate Hostess cupcakes, Yes, with the little white swirl on the top. That is what the path of the helicopter looked like just kept swirling around and around and around fourteen times. This thing was messing

with it. It was just playing cat and mousey. It was over seventy minutes they chased it. It went up to a height of fourteen thousand feet. The maneuvers it was doing, they said, no commercial drone can fly that long, far and high. What air traffic controls seeing this? They actually called Washington d see somebody there. They needed to alert something is going on here. I'm sure they have radar and all. I don't know,

I'm sure they have all kinds of interesting information. The official explanation was that it was a highly modified drone satellite controlled. Who's doing that if not the military? Yeah, that's that doesn't make sense. No, so the pilot, you know, he doesn't want to say I just saw UFO, but he said, if it was a drone, which I think they're probably all very skeptical, it was a very sophisticated specialized craft and able to perform night

like no other UAS un manned aircraft system. It was obvious that the controller had clear sight of both the helicopters tracking it by the way it would or bit us and abruptly fly behind us an attempt to avoid our visual contact. It was quite clear though that this was not like any other uas that we have experienced, and both the FBI and FAA were investigating tips. So again, would the FBI get involved, would the military keep this a secret and

mess with border patrol and police helicopters? And do they have maybe they have craft capable of doing this, But most people involved in this said no, it wasn't. It wasn't a drone. That was no. The fact that it's I mean, it's under intelligent control. If it's purposely moving away from the helicopters and changing direction, you know, if the helicopter maneuver is one

way and the drone is instantly reacting. I mean, what kind of drone operator would you have to have on the ground, you know, what kind of reflexes to watch a video feed and hope? I mean, you're going to see everything happening in real time like three sixty on a drone. I just don't think that's a plausible explanation. I mean, yeah, yeah,

that's what they were saying. It couldn't been you know, Joe drone operator with his iPhone controlled thing on the ground because he wouldn't have been able to this was this went far and wide and fourteen thousand feet now, so that's why they're saying it had to be somebody with a satellite control. I'm sorry, how many people have access to satellite controlled drone systems? Yeah, that's um right. If it's not the military, then what was it? Right?

Right? So yeah, so that was another case. These poor helicopter guy. You know, you can just imagine the fresh stration, this police officer trying to get a visual and it just keeps, you know, running circles, What speed, what maneuverability? Did it happen? Seventy minutes of this? So yeah, great case and from twenty twenty one, you know, not all that long ago. So will we ever find the truth?

I doubt it. And again credible witnesses with a lot to lose. Even though again we say it all the time it's much more acceptable today to come forward, it still is very risky and not everybody's comfortable. Even police officers and military still don't have that. Yeah, so when they do, there's you know, something to be taken seriously, yep, yep, So let's just do one last quick one. I wanted to finish with helicopters going after

the UFO. I wanted to balance here, fair and balance, but you know, have two k is of each essentially, so this is only back in twenty thirteen, and it's an our territory. Here the New York State Thruway by exit seventeen in the New windsor Newburgh area by the if you want to look this up, exit seventeen where seventeen K crosses the Thruway, you're familiar with that area over there. Okay, it's August thirteenth, eight twenty pm, so it's it's not fully dark yet, there's still some light and

the witness. One of the reasons I wanted to make this is a new case in my new book. This hadn't been published before, and I thought it was important to put this in because the witness was an Army ranger, which you're not an ordinary person if you're an army ranger. He had received two purple Hearts and a bronze Star for tours of duty in Iraq and Kosovo. He had those two purple hearts because he had been shot twice. So this man went through some stuff when he left the military, he became a

civilian flight medic. He knows aircraft, particularly helicopters. Okay, so he's he had dropped his son off at I believe Newark Airport and was driving home up the through way and he sees four cars pulled over on the side of the road with people out. Well, with his training, oh, can I help if somebody injured? Instinctively, doesn't even think twice, pulls over to see if he can render any aid, you know, being a medic.

Then he realized there's bright spotlights on the trees. There's several emergency vehicles on the overpass of seventeen. Hey, there's New York State troopers. There's all these you know, emergency responders all over the place, and like, I don't see an accident. What's going on? Well, then he realizes they're all looking at a very large, round, white light the size of a house. No navigation lights, no control surfaces, no wings, anything

like that. It's moving only about a hundred feet above the trees. It stops and hovers silently, doesn't move for thirty seconds. It was moving west to east before it stopped. Then it starts moving east to west and This is a man who's Iraq Kosovo civilian, you know, flight medic. He's like, what the hell am I looking at? And why were troopers there? Why were emergency responders at? What was going on? I cannot find

anything from that date about anything that went on there. But at this point, as it's moving slowly back and forth, one hundred feet above the trees, that is low, that is very low, he finally hears something and it's helicopters, very familiar Lacota helicopters. Now, these generally do not have weapons on board there, you know, not for attack purposes. So he knows a Lacota helicopter three, not one, not, We've got three of

them. They love to send multiple helicopters, and they are headed straight for this object. And you can imagine everybody is spellbound. What's going to happen when you know? What do you do when you catch it? If you catch it right? Well, the object at this point, with the helicopters bearing down on it, it blinks rapidly three times, he said, like Morse code, then shot straight up and out of sight and gone. Helicopters

arrive. There's nothing there. This whole sighting lasted for his part six minutes. But remember all these cars had pulled off time had the enough time for the emergency responders and the troopers to be there. So how long was this sighting? So I looked up currently Stuart Air National Guard Base, which is at Stewart Airport, you know, used to be the Air Force base now

it's Air National Guard. And I got this right from their website. The second Aviation Detachment of UH seventy two la Coda helicopters is base stats Stewart. Of course this was twenty thirteen, but there were Lacoda helicopters at Stuart. What happened? Why were they scrambled? Who? Who sent them? Right? Who has the authority to order? Air National Guard kind of kind of

state troopers called the Air National Guard and said send me three Lacoda. I don't know if they could, they can ask, I guess, I mean, I'm pretty sure it was. It was the Lacoda that I m took my certification through the Air National Guard to be on the helicopter to learn how to use their um. You know, they have sophisticated cameras. So they were training local police departments to send people to learn how to use some of the equipment for search and rescue. Okay, great crime scene use, great

experience. And I got to go the helicopter and sit behind this camera that I think you could see things miles away like it was in crazy technolo oology. So possibly they have video of this object then yeah, I mean I this was back in twenty fourteen. Okay, this happened twenty thirteen, twenty. I'm trying to remember when I got I got promoted the sergeant in June of twenty fifteen. I was still detective, so I had to be around thirteen or fourteen maybe, yeah, Okay, so they had I don't know

if they recorded it. Um. I would imagine if if they had the capability on the helicopter, they why wouldn't they. Yeah, I wonder if you can can you Foya Air National Guard, it's worth a shot. Yeah. I don't know. They could say now it's military secret, sir, it's classified. But again I love this case because incredible witness you know, knows his stuff, and he's not out looking for UFOL. He's driving home and he thinks there's an accident and Kenny stop and help and then like,

oh my God, what the hell is this? And the fact that it I love. I can just picture this rap I know that area. I can just picture that, you know, seventeen K overpass over the throughway rapidly blink and gone. But it sounds like, you know, similar details to a lot of those Hudson Valley sightings during the big wave, you know, people pulling over on the highways yep, and just staring up next to their cars. Very similar in that respect. And an army ranger. I mean,

you're not going to get much better credibility here any yeah. Yeah, and damn it? Where was I? Where was I that night? Why wasn't I? Why wasn't I driving on seventeen K? I mean, I want to know did did this craft? Was it hovering? And people had an accident? That's why, you know, emergency vehicles were there. There's so many questions and I just don't have answers to it. So maybe I need to start doing sending out a few foils so might be might be worth

it. Yeah, we can't hurt ken it no no? Yeah? Yeah, or you know, putting you even deeper into an FBI watch list? What what you know? What is she Foying a Air National Guard for just think someday on the FAI website. You're um, your dossier will be released next to al Capone and all the other people that they that's it O, that'man file. Love it. Well, it's going to be some interesting rating.

Um So anyway that I mean, we could have talked for hours on helicopters and UFOs, but gave you a couple cases of you know, the UFOs harassing the helicopters and and vice versa. And there's so many more, so many more. Um. But yeah, if anybody has any information on the uh the twenty thirteen case or any new information on the Arizona twenty twenty one, um, you know, get in touch with us. If you have any ideas for guests or topics. Um we are certainly open for that.

But other than that, UM, I am done. So yeah, I think that was a lot um for an hour. That's you know, great cases, like you said, I mean, great examples, and and they're kind of even they're tied right now. They're opposed to helicopters too, m so. But and again very interesting because they turned the tables this time. It's always the UFO is sort of you know, pacing the airplanes chasing

this one. It's like the helicopters. But again you made a good point, like, well, what do you do when you when you do catch it? Now? What? Like you know, it would be like you know, catching a cobra now like okay, oh, be careful what you ask for? Right. I understand the desire and the the adrenaline going what is this thing? But what happens when it's like okay, you want to see me? Here we go? So you know, it's okay to you know, poke the bear sometimes but whoa you don't know? Um, so

that does take take some guts. Yeah, well helicopter pilots take guts anyway. Oh yeah yeah. But I love oh god, I love helicopter. I've even looked into being a helicopter pilot, but very very expensive. Um. And then I was like, well then what do I do with it? You know, I don't want to be a commercial pilot, and it was an expensive hobby to get into. But hey, never say never helipad on your roof, that's it. I like it. And actually there's been

to a couple of times or something called Rotor Fest in Pennsylvania. All helicopters. I love the sound of a helicopter, but I am digressing. So if they are fascinating, and again for those have never been on them, very different than an airplane. So it really does. Um the fact that they're willing to even pursue a UFO in something like a helicopter. I mean, they're much more maneuverable. Certainly they can, they can make those quick

turns. But yeah, it's one thing in an unarmed Lakota. If I was in an Apache, I might have a little more guts, right, yeah, absolutely, even in a gun ship. Yeah, you know. Yeah, so when you're unarmed, Uh gee, what is this huge craft flying erratically around me? Yeah? Um. But anyway, thank you everyone for joining us. Mike any final words bring us out? No, thank you for joining us. You can always catch up with all of our previous

episodes on Hudson River Radio or any podcast service provider of your choice. I recommend if you're new to the show, start from the beginning and just binge listen. Other than that, I'm Michael Warden saying thank you and lend the zimmer in good night. Good night. Hudson River Radio dot Com