Hudson River Radio dot com. This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters. Beautiful headquarters, and good evening everybody. I'm very happy to say that the man himself who wrote this great intro music is with us tonight. Gary Treiber, how are you? Oh great, Linda, how are you? I'm doing good. Thank you so much for joining us on somewhat short notice. Mike is returning from Iceland, of all places. Oh wow, yeah, looking for winter. Thank god, it was winter there.
He said. It was very, very cold and windy. But it's called Iceland for a reason. Um, so we how about this for a transition. We will have some very chilling encounters tonight. How's that smooth? I'm ready for it, all right? So um. Our last episode was about the Alagash abductions, the three men who were camping in the main wilderness, and which led me to think about some of the more local camping encounters, hence the title encounters wild camping of tonight's episode. And you used to camp
a lot, correct? Yeah? I camped all over Blue Ridge Mountains and New York State. And actually, yeah, a lot of people think of New York from other parts of the country and they think New York City. Well, you get a short distance out of New York City and there is a lot of wilderness out there. It certainly is, yes. And so
the episodes we're got the cases we're going to be talking about tonight. Um, when I say camping, I'm not talking you know, Jellystone Park with water slides and mini golf and a thousand screening kids, which is fine if that's what you like. I'm talking you know, some of these campgrounds have you know, all the peace and quiet of Broadway in Manhattan. I'm talking
about the more secluded places. And you again, you don't have to go that far outside of towns to find you know, deep dark woods places where let's say you are vulnerable. Yeah, even in Rockland County. You know, there's some camping up by Lake Welch and there's a lot of woods up there. There are a lot of UFOs over Harman State Park there, which with all those lakes, exactly a lot of strangeness going on. So let's
yeah. Um, so let's jump into the first case. It's summer of nineteen eighty four and a woman we will call Marge is living in Sogridy's New York and she goes on an overnight horseback riding trip from Palenville to North South Lakes. Have you ever been to North South Lakes? I've been. Isn't it up by oh what's your name? That somewhere near Palinville Ski Areas? Yeah, I've been. I've been. I've been around that area. Yeah.
Um, I really need we need to take a field trip to North and South Lakes because I've gotten a lot of strange reports from up there. So it's probably still some wonderful remote areas. I know there's campgrounds up there, and back in eighty four things were probably a lot more you know, remote. So Marge is on this horseback riding trip and it's a steep, narrow trail up the mountains. But she said, just absolutely beautiful views for
people who don't know the Hudson Valley. You should really take a trip here, especially this time of year. The maple trees are bright orange, you know, the fall foliage. It's we are really fortunate to be in such a beautiful area. It's spectacular. Yes, that's the word for it. Their campsite was near a ledge. I don't know, I don't think it's ever a good idea to have a campsite near a ledge. Yeah, yeah, but all the other riders were much younger, and so immediately, what's
the best way to commune with nature? They start partying and drinking. Marge said she was the only one who was not drunk by the time they all went to bed, and she's having trouble sleeping. The horses kept making noise of like distress. She couldn't understand what was getting the horses so agitated, and she checked on them like two or three times, and she said the rambunctious ones somehow gut untied and were wandering off, which again not a good
idea when you're camping near a ledge. So she has to get up a couple of times in the night to retrieve the horses and tie them back up. And here it comes three thirty am, which so much happens three thirty usually when I'm wide awake thinking about cases like this, she said. Suddenly everything fell completely silent. She said, you could hear a pin drop, then the tent lit up with a light. You can't run to your car and lock the door and drive away. You've gone up a mountain on horseback.
So as I said, you're you're kind of vulnerable there. So she lifts the tent flap. Very brave of her. I mean, you know, some people would just bury their heads. And she said there were six or seven bright white lights hovering over the edge of the ledge, so they weren't resting on the ground, they were hanging in the air right by the ledge, and she said there was no sound. She immediately woke up her tent mate, who looked at the lights but was still I guess quite drunk.
Was absolutely terrified. You know, I was yelling, I have no idea what that is. And she buries her head in the sleeping bag and that was it. Of course, I can't blame her. And then this is curious, so March said, I kept looking at the lights for I don't know how long, but the next thing I knew it was morning. Several hours of missing time. She has absolutely no idea. And we've talked about this on the show before. Is it better to not know? Is
it a good thing you have missing time and don't remember what happened? Pretty pretty frightening stuff. I don't know. Yeah, I've always been a fraid to find out because you know, I've had plenty of missing time and I don't really know what happened during most of them. I know I'm still a little afraid to find out. Yeah, perfectly understandable. It's what kind of
Pandora's box are you opening? Um, maybe it's a blessing you don't remember, but um yeah for a reason, yes, yes, yeah, and she had future sightings from there as if you know, which is often the case people who have an encounter, an abduction, whatever you want to say, it is, Um, it changes you and as as well, we know things are never different, so I mean things are always different after that.
So um yeah, North and South Lakes, I think I think before the cold weather, we all need to take a little field trip, maybe not camping near a ledge, but at least chatting it out. Yeah yeah, so before we continue, Neil, maybe we could take our first short break and we will be right back. Hudson River Radio dot com Mercedes Kent here. Did you know? You can now subscribe to all of Hudson River Radio's podcasts, including the Silver Screen, and they're always available right in our
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area. Yeah, that's I've been into both of those campgrounds, but just to drive through and look at them. I've never stayed there, but yeah, Hunter's a beautiful area. Yeah. And in addition to skiing, they used to have a great zip line there. I love flying through the air. Zip lining. You know where you're in a harness and they you hook onto this line and you go screaming through the air. It yeah, good
times. It's better than camping next to a ledge. But so our next one, I'm going to rather than relay the story, I think it's I think it's good when you can actually read somebody's testimony. So we're going to Austining, New York August of nineteen seventy four, and we're again we were talking at the break the Tea Town Lake Reservation area, which that I am not familiar with, so I'd have to check that out. August nineteenth,
nineteen seventy four. This is the one of the witnesses hear her own words here. I went camping with two girlfriends on the outskirts of town near Teatown Lake Reservation. And let me interject here, three three teenage girls camping alone in the woods. That's a little risky to begin with, but you know, seventy four different times. Yeah, I can't imagine too many parents would say, go on, girls, go in the woods, have a good night. Early teens or mid teens, pretty young. Yeah, yeah,
So, she says, it was a beautiful crisp August evening. We stayed up talking till late evening, then decided to go to sleep. We slept with no tent, just sleeping bags and a tarp the ground, as the ground was damp from a previous rain that the day before. So that's that's pretty rough, just sleeping on the ground. Good for them, she said. I was restless and couldn't fall asleep. I saw what I thought were
small animals approaching our campsite. It was slightly misty. What I was actually seeing were the grays, about eight to ten of them, about three to four feet tall, large heads, very large insect like eyes, small mouth slits, and long fingers. They were flow walking, that's the term she used. They were almost like floating towards us. Eight to ten of them. And you're alone in the woods. Wow, And again, this is seventy four, where way before you know, everybody said, oh Whitley Streber's
book Communion, everybody started seeing grays not so much in seventy four. Yeah, yeah, yeah, She said. I was petrified with fear and could not speak up. One of the small beings looked as though if he or she might touch my arm, and I thought I was going to die from
fear. Another figure made a sweeping motion with its arm, and the grays backed back walked floated, She said, back hyphen walked life and floated away from us, And yeah, yeah, and you hear this a lot that you don't actually see them walking so much sometimes, as is this weird floating? She said. I couldn't move for a while, maybe two minutes, but it felt like a lifetime. Then one one of my friends blurted out something and I finally yelled, are you okay? She said, I had
a weird dream and we didn't talk about what happened for four years. And how often do we hear this? You have the most incredible event of your life and no one talks about it. So she said, uh, it was four years later that my friend came over and I finally asked her about that night in August of seventy four. She said she and I had the same experiences. She said, my friend is bright, fearless, had two grown sons and a PhD. But she does not like to think about the
experience because it basically scared her to death. She both of them rarely talked about it, and as she said something like this is out of the human comfort zone, I thought that was a good way to put it. The human comfort zone. Witness number two also gave a statement. She said, when we'd started discussing it years later, we both flipped out because we had the same dream she's calling it, and could remember details so long after.
As she describes it, a whole mess of creatures were moving up the hill where we were sleeping. There may have been eight, there may have been more, all of them hovering over us. They moved rapidly like insects, yet were nebulous from the waist down. I was paralyzed with fear and felt like a cadaver on a medical table. My friend was moaning in fear, which somehow comforted me as I knew I was not alone. Well, that's a small comfort. My friend was moaning she said. The creatures were all
a light grayish brown with very very elongated bodies. Their heads were large and their arms, as were their arms and eyes. Soon what she called a teacher came up the hill and said, now she heard this in her head, don't touch them, they're human. You'll scare them. That's very interesting, she said. Then they all flitted up the hill and left. She said, the only different between what she and I saw was that her creatures
had almost almond shaped eyes and mine were clearly oval shaped. And she made a sketch of one of these creepy looking, large eyed creatures, which is in my new UFO book, and it's it's very chilling to look at. And there were three girls, so two of them had the same exact experiences. The other one either will not talk about it or claims she doesn't remember anything happening, which of course is possible. Apparently there wasn't any missing time,
and the encounter was relatively brief that they know of. Ye you know, you're out in the middle of the woods. Did the encounter last two minutes? Did it last two hours? Did? It's hard to tell. Yeah, Did they really back off? Because the girls were scared or did they just lose consciousness? Either way? And and again, you know we're talking what almost fifty years later. Yeah, these memories are still fresh and frightening. Yeah for these girls. So I don't know how much more camping
they did the rest of their lives. I think that might be it for me. That might yeah, it might have been it. Yeah. Yeah, so and that you know, we're not talking the middle of the Adirondacks here, we're talking outside of Austining. I don't even know where there's a lake over there. Well, it wasn't a lake. It was the Tea Town. Oh, you know, you're right, Tea Town Lake Reservation. I don't know. I should have looked that up on my bed. You
look it up. And maybe that's another another evening trip this Halloween season too. Yeah, see what's moving and shaking in the woods. But wait, there's several there's two more cases at least I have here. So, Neil, if we could take our second I just kind of jumped on you on that. If we can take our second and final break, we will be back with more creepy cases of camping. This is Hudson River Radio dot com,
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My rough camping days are over. Yeah. You know, the Hampton Inn with the waffle machine sounds about as rough as I want to go these days. Used to love to camp as remote as possible. But Gary, things out there, not the least of which are the crazy people out there. Yeah, so we're not going to talk about some of them. No. No, we are going next to Indian Lake, which is deep in
the Adirondex the Moose River Recreation Area. I looked this up. Basically, if you go up to the lake George Warrensburg area, uh, and go two hours west. Um, I mean you are in there. You are in the heart of the ADIRONDACKX Dogman territory. Dog Man, Yes, I thought everything was Dogman territory. So that's another episode of another show. Yeah.
Um, so we're going We're going back to October of nineteen seventy eight again, you know, fairly early case and you know, pre Hudson Valley Wave of the eighties, and this case was investigated by Pete Missola, who unfortunately is no longer with us. He was a Vietnam Vette, a New York City cop, and I've probably talked about him before on the show. He started the SBI, the Scientific Bureau of Investigation, put out a newsletter.
I've read it. I'm trying to collect all of his news letters, and he had formed a group of mostly cops or ex cops who went in investigated cases and did did really good work, and particularly on this case. I would love to find his notes because I believe he was planning to write a book on this case. It's that extensive. So anybody out there says, hey, I know one of Pete's kids and they have his manuscript, I'd love to get eyes on that. Did Mike No h No, I
think that was before before Mike's time. He passed away from cancer. I think in the eighties. I'm not sure of the date, but anyway, we're going to two friends, twenty nine year old Dave Harmon and thirty four year old Tony d Ambrosio. They had been planning a hunting trip to this area months in advance, and by coincidence. Both months earlier. I had had a premonition they would see a UFO, which is kind of a curious thing too. Yeah. Yeah, So they're out in this wilderness hunting for
a couple of days. Brings us to October thirty, first Halloween. They are fishing for their breakfast. Nothing like a good lake trout for breakfast, fresh fish and anush fish in the morning. Yeah, there you go. Before my vegetarian days, wouldn't dream of hurting a scale on a fish now. But anyway, as they're fishing, two AF phantom jets buzz overhead at tree top level and circled over and over again. Now, Dave was a Vietnam Vet. He knew aircraft inside it out, and he said, what
was very strange about this where these jets were armed with missiles? Why, yeah, that's over the Adirondex and Tony had been hunting this area for twelve years and this was the first time he had ever seen any military aircraft in this area. So nothing terribly unusual, but certainly caught their attention. Then the second weird thing that night. It was the first time when they were
there the animals didn't go for their camping garbage. Now, if you've ever camped, you know, if you do not put your garbage up in the you know, put it on a rope and put it up in the air, up a tree. The animals will tear it to bits and you'll wake up in the morning with containers. Yeah, with garbage everywhere. They didn't go for it. It was very eerily silent in the woods that night. They even tried putting out big chunks of food. They said to bring the
animals in because they're like, what's what's going on where everything? When the animals go silent, you might want to get in your car and go home, right, Yeah, no crickets, no, nothing. So they finally get in their tent, get in their cots, turned out their Coleman lantern. I mean, who didn't have a Coleman lantern? Who went who went camping? Still have several And they're talking in the darkness and then all of a sudden the tent lights up. How many times do we this is?
This has got to be so terrifying. And Tony says, hey, do you see that? And Dave says, yeah, it looks like a giant flashlight shining on the top of the tent. Well, what the hell, You're in the middle of the Adirondacks. Who's up? Who's up in the air beating a light on your tent? Yeah? So fortunately the light went off in a few seconds. And when one of the investigators asked Tony, well, did you get out and look basically hell, no. We closed
our eyes and prayed and nothing else happened. So they went to sleep. So again, you're out. I don't know that I would continue to stay there, would you. Yeah, I don't know. Nothing really happened just at I kind of had an experience like that too, in the middle of the night, woke up in the whole woods was lit up around me. But anyway, no, and you stayed and I stayed. Yeah, and nothing else happened, no, that you know of. I mean we are
talking about you, Gary. There was probably about twelve hours of missing time as a result. And you know what. It was at a state park by Woodstock, and I was camping on kind of a ledge and there was a big ravine and in the middle of the night, the whole ravine was lit up like daylight, and it woke me up, and my whole tent was lit up and I opened up the zipper, went and looked out and I didn't you know, nobody was out there in the middle. There was
like three in the morning. Anyway, I want to continue with your story. Oh no, I am. I am fascinated by your story. You had the guts to stay. I mean, yeah, clearly there was no rational. My wife woke up till we both woke up in the woods was our tent was lit up in the woods. Down in the ravine was lit up, and I, you know, and I couldn't see anything but this really bright light coming from down in the woods down there, and we just went back to sleep. And the next morning we felt like when we woke
up, we for a while, we felt really strange. We felt like we were leaving our body. Oh jeez. Yeah, so we probably were half said that to each other, you know that we felt I feel like I'm leaving my body. I feel really strange, and my wife did too. But anyway, we had breakfast and everything was kind of normal. Again. Did you stay another night? I think so? Yeah? Wow, Wow, nothing to see here, just a bright light and out of body experiences. Let's keep camping. But I'm not afraid. Wow. Wow,
well, there you go encounter. Do you know remember about what year that would have been? Oh goodness, seventies, eighties, No, nineties, nineties? Oh wow, okay maybe mid nineties. Okay, wow. So at Wilson State Park. Okay, that's their woodstock, he said, yeah, where all sorts of strange things happen. Yeah. I camped there quite a bit. Wow. I think that would have been the last, first and last time I would have camped there. But that was really strange.
Yeah, at least I have no explanation for it. There's no way anyone could have driven up into this ravine because there are there no roads there. It was yeah, woods, woods, especially at three am. And yeah, I didn't hear any sound at all. It was just all lit up. Wow. Wow. Well there you go. Well that's kind of anticlimactic now for this story. But now that that's that's fascinating and chilling. Yea. So let's get back to Tony and Dave, who had a very similar
thing with their tent lighting up. Um. So we're now November first. Um, they you know, nothing else happened that night. So they went back to sleep, and it's five thirty pm. They are getting dinner ready and they see an object. I think, oh, must be a helicopter. And then they see a second one and they realize it's not a helicopter. And I have some of their actual testimony thanks to the SBI investigators. Dave said, it was about five thirty PM and we were around the tent.
The car was alongside the tent, and also we were going to settle down, and we were going to settle down to eat. I saw something from out of the corner of my eye, thinking it was a helicopter. I continued to unload our supplies from the trunk of the car as Tony heated up the gas stove. Next thing I see is an object coming slowly at us, and I immediately called Tony over to take a look. We both
stood there for about five seconds in amazement as it neared us. Tony said, I was starting I was attempting to start the gas stove when I heard Dave yell for me to come to his car. There I saw this object pass slowly by us. The thing that got me was this red pulsating light, like a sort of hypnotic type of light on the bottom of the object. While watching the object, my eyes were transfixed on that red light, and although I was conscious, I was unable to move another That paralysis is
also something you know we have heard. Tony said. The object also had a white glow around it, and it was shaped like a very long cigar. It moved within three hundred yards of us and then went down behind some trees on a logging trail roadway. So at this point they're terrified whatever this is has landed very close to where they're camping and on the road they need to drive on to get out of there. So for they staying another night, No, they are not even going to stay this night, which we
will see now. Tony had a thirty caliber M one car beam and Dave had a thirty five caliber Marlin rifle, and you better believe they grabbed their rifles and jumped in the car, and Dave said, we were doing about ninety miles per hour on an old logging road. That is that is death defying. Yeah, And they got to the point where they thought the craft was landed. They didn't see anything, so they slowed down to only fifty,
which is again only yeah. Yeah. Then they reached we reached a point on the road where there was a sharp curve and Tony noticed the same red pulsating light that we had seen minutes before. Tony Dave floored the gas again and we could see the object pursuing us. So now this object is chasing them, that they made a mistake of passing it. Yeah, it's keeping slightly above tree top level all the way to the ranger station. That
was fifteen miles. Can you imagine the fifteen miles of fear and terror with this thing? And one of them wanted to shoot at it, and the others like, no, don't shoot at it. You're going to make it worse. Yeah, so Tony said, we explained to the ranger at the station what happened, and they figured he's gonna say, what are you guys drunk or high or whatever he said, But to our own amazement, he
told us he had seen the object following us to the station. So there's one of these towers and the rangers in that tower, his TV goes crazy. He loses picture. He hears a sound and sees this UFO chasing these two guys to the station. So the ranger calls the state troopers. They arrive, they check out the scene. People hear what's going on in the
CB radio. So they show up. So you have a good you have a good little crowd of people, rangers, troopers, townspeople, locals, and things get a little weird because then these disc shaped objects came all the way down to within five hundred yards of us, and they all watched as these discs settled down in one of the lakes again, in and out of water. I thought they said it was cigars. The original one was cigar shaped. These are different. There's there's several of there's like three of them
now that they're at the ranger station. All the people who had gathered there, the troopers and the other people, UM, see these three disc shaped objects. In fact, they were seen all around the area that night and the entire uh they thought, the entire thing from the first sighting at the campground lasted about an hour. We will see that is not quite right. Um. And again they were talking of maybe we should shoot at it. But but I love this um comment, uh, Dave said, I remember
making a few statements to the effect, don't show any violence. The best part, the best part of it all is we don't know who they were and what they wanted from us, but I felt they were smarter than us because they were up there flying in that thing and we were down here driving a beat up, old seventy three oldsmobile. Yeah. Yeah, there you have it. You've you've brought an oldsmobile to a UFO chase. Yeah.
Um. So that's pretty amazing. And they was very well documented. But that's not the end because when Tony and Dave got home, Tony's face swelled up and got completely distorted, distorted. Dave, who was young and healthy, started having chest pains and they both had recurring nightmares. They were diagnosed as having electro magnetic sickness that is not a typical thing, that is having yeah, too much EMF. Over time and with different medications like cortizone,
this the symptoms resolved. But even that's not the end of it. Tony had a German shepherd, and anybody who's ever had a wonderful German shepherd knows how loyal and loving these dogs are. You know, they stick with you through thick and thin. Well after returning from the camping trip, the dog treated him like a stranger and started growling at him when he tried to approach, as if he was going to attack him. Oh boy, So what the hell did this encounter do to? Tony? And Dave had a parakeet
that used to sit on his shoulder or sit in his hand. Was very friendly that the bird loved to sit on him. Now the parakeet was terrified of Dave any time he tried to get near and if he tried to put his hand out, the bird would attack him. Wow, that's this is very crazy. And they also find out that what they thought was a straight drive to the ranger station took sixty to ninety minutes longer than they thought.
They checked with the timeline of the ranger and the other people, and they realized they had an hour or an hour and a half of missing time. They come home, their own loving pets want to attack them as if they're dangerous strangers. They both developed ESP capabilities, which again we hear and there's a lot of high strangeness started happening to them. So there's a lot more to this case. Um, but I can't say it enough. These type
of encounters change you. And was there some sort of chemical smell or ir residual EMF or what was it that happened to these two men? That. Yeah, yeah, I mean that, and I it's rare. But I've heard that when people's pets will suddenly start treating them like they don't know them and that they're terrified of them. And that's another story. Um. But then we hear that with animals too, that animals have these encounters and their
personalities are changed. Uh. So again, if anybody has any uh knowledge of Pete Mossola. Uh there was an investigator, Dan Lewinsky, a couple of other really good investigators. They had and they had reams of notes that they never got to publish into a book. And that is a book I would love to see. That is a book I would love to write if if I had the material. Because this sounds like a very important case up your aisle, both of our aisles, for for sure. Um, how
are we doing time wise? I have one other case? You ready to want to squeeze one more in? You? Yeah? Yeah? Okay, Um, so we're going Yeah. I was asking if you're up for one more case, Neil, We're good to go for another case, all right? I got the thumbs up. All right, So one more encounter while camping. We're going to Phoenicia, New York, which we both know that area, beautiful area. This was mayor June around nineteen sixty. So this is going way back again, very remote. And this man Ray who was
in the Navy. He was with Naval Air Crash and Rescue. He had top secret clearance. He dealt with atomic bombs on B fifty twos. He watched SR seventy one blackbirds take off, you know, when nobody was supposed to know what they were. So he knew aircraft. He could identify aircraft by the sound of the engines. He didn't need to see a craft. So and the type of guy he was, Um, he once spent sixteen days on a survival trek alone in the woods, just for the fun of
it, so he could see he could do it. Yeah, do that once a year. Nothing like a good So you know, you don't take anything with you except your weapon, your knife, Um, and you live off the land. Good good for him and you and your crucifix that it there you go, or at a bottle of holy water, whatever whatever gets you through. So he was stationed at Floyd Bennett Field on the city there
and he got five days of liberty. You you were in the navy, what, Well, maybe we shouldn't ask what you did on your five days of liberty. It was never five days. How much did you usually get oh uple of weeks? Oh weeks? Nice. No, we'd have to report back though, but you could take time, you know, pretty much whenever. Wow, if you had doored up, he had thirty days a
year to use. Oh okay, okay, Well, he only had five days, and he decided he wanted to go to a camping trip in Phoenicia at the end of panther Kill Road, which was private land there and probably still is. And two of his friends were going to meet him the next day. So he said. He was doing the Marlboro Man thing, having the coffee and probably a cigarette after dinner, just relaxing by the camp fire, and he sees a green light about a mile away which is silent,
and he's watching this green light. He said it was between the ridges of Giant Lead and Romer Mountain, if anybody wants to pinpoint that. And I'm going to read some of the things he said happened next. He was trying to figure out what it could be. Remember, he can identify aircraft just by their sound, but this was silent He said it made sharp angular turns at incredible speeds, ninety degree turns, like pac man. I thought that
was a great district description. And he said that. About three to five minutes later, another streak of green light came from Romer Mountain and moved to the same spot. And after a while it dropped straight down into the woods and out of sight. And again he's thinking, oh crap, this thing is just landed less than a mile from where I am, all alone out
in the woods. So he admits he became a little alarmed. He loaded his shotgun, got into his fifty eight Volkswagen and headed to a friend's restaurant in town. He said he needed two things, a drink and a payphone, and probably in that order. Yeah, and this is a He calls information and gets the number for the National Weather Service in Albany, like they're gonna help them. Yeah, I guess that's all he could think of. Yeah. He gave them the coordinates of the object and they told him to
hold on. They were actually interested for some reason, which is strange. He said, after about ten minutes of dropping dimes into the payphone, and for all you young people out there, there were things called pay phones. You put coins into make a call, and they were out on the street or in phone booths. That's that's all ancient technology now. Yeah, So after spending all these dimes, he told them, look, I'm not going to hold any longer. So they asked him for the number of the pay
phone, and this is this is very bizarre, he said. Sure enough, the phone rang several minutes later and a man identified himself as a member of a government agency Ray never heard of. I remember, he's got top secret clearance some some probably some bogus agency name they gave him, and this man said he was located in Fort Belvoir in Virginia. He said the call must have been on a speaker phone because several men began asking him a long
series of question questions. They were stern, no nonsense attitude, and kept him on the phone for half an hour. So what the hell is going on? What's strange? Yeah, he figured they might have been CIA or something like that, so this is great. Once the interview was over, Racey said he braced himself with another drink and headed back to his campsite. Only he didn't drive up to it because remember, he thinks whatever this was
was landed and something or somebody or something could be in his campsite. So he parks a quarter mile away and grabs his gun, and he said, he did a military crawl. You can picture that. You can't blame him. He doesn't want to walk right in as he crawls through the woods to his campsite and sits there quietly to see if anything's moving around. That's how yeah, that's how freaked out he was. So well, I'm surprised he didn't um so he doesn't hear anything. He said, there was no little
green men. So he went back into his campsite now with his shotgun by his side. He fell asleep, he said. Then at dawn, the flap of his tent was yanked open, and there was a roaring sound like a bear grabbing his gun. He almost shot his two idiot friends. Friends had showed up and they thought they would scare him by they almost got themselves killed. Yeah, So he tells them the story and they're like, ah,
it was just a you know, it was a drunken nightmare. But when he gets back to the naval air station, he is immediately called in by the operations officer. I assume not something um anybody in the military wants to have happened. Called into the Big Boss's office and he said, to his astonishment, the officer said that he had been briefed about raised sighting and knew all the details. Wow, that's that's that's bizarre. Yeah, he
calls the National Weather spring light. Yeah, he calls the National Weather Service. They call some government agency. The government agency calls his superior officer and fills him in and what the what. The operations officer was told that the same object had first been reported that night by a Navy ship in the philip
Sea, so basically on the other side of the Earth. From there, the object was tracked and repeatedly spotted across the ocean to California, through Utah, etc. On a straight line, all the way to the Catskills, right where poor Ray had been camping. Oh, no, wonder they were interested, that's why. And the object was moving, they said, over twenty two faster than an SR seventy one, like twenty five hundred miles an
hour. So that was when in nineteen sixty, nineteen sixty, So when the government says they don't know anything, bs, they tracked this object from the Philippine Sea, all across the ocean, across the country, made a b line for poor poor Ray in the Catskills. Um. But yeah, um certainly certainly changed his life as well, and did more happen than just seeing the green light? He doesn't, he doesn't know, but certainly it affected him and he remembered it forever. And I asked him, I said,
should you even be talking about this? And he said, I never signed anything, and you know, at this point in my life, I don't care. I'm not to talk about it. I guess it was okay, yeah, yeah, And I guess if you don't sign anything. The operations officer said he was not to disclose this information. But yeah, almost sixty years less sixty more than sixty years later, somebody wants to come after
him. I don't think that's happening. Yeah, Um, But there we have it, Um, some rather chilling and terrifying encounters, missing time, probable abductions, just scaring the hell out of you. Yeah, so yeah, thanks, so Um. I don't think either of us will be Maybe we'll camp in my backyard someday. Uh, I don't know. I'm afraid of those tis. Yes, yeah, we do have killer ticks here, but I'll put down a lot of huh. I'm more afraid of the ticks,
more afraid of the ticks than the aliens. Yeah, but uh yeah. So that's that's the stories. Um anything else you want to add, Gary, Oh no, I don't think so. I enjoyed being here with you. I loved having you here. Thanks so much again for filling in short notice. You're always welcome on this show. Um, so I think we should have a nice long lead out of the of the music you wrote
for our show. So thanks again, Gary, thank you, Neil, and we'll see you all again soon on UFO Headquarters on Hudson River Radio. Good night, Linda, God do do do Do Do Do Do do do Do Do do the Cutchen River Radio dot Com