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the We are the department store of UFO knowledge the New York. Hey, maybe getting to me a little bit, you know, I don't like he all right, So we have a very interesting you know, we've we haven't talked too much about really old sightings, but today's episode is sixteenth century sightings and there's some amazing ones. We can't talk about stealth the government projects in the sixteenth century. So I love the old ones. But first we have
a listener case that was sent and so Mike take that away. My wife and I and my son and daughter, who at the time were around fourteen years old and eight years old, respectively, saw in the sky what could only be described as a UFO. I was in the military and housed at well. I was told with a defunct Nike missile base located into Tapan, New York. On the night in question, I was driving down the road not far from my housing area when a large, what looked to be a
round shaped object appeared overhead. I pulled off the road to get a better look, and when I looked in my rear view mirror, I could see a line of cars in back of me doing the same thing. Once my vehicle was stationary, I looked up at the object to get a better view of what I was seeing. The object was hovering what seemed to be less than one quarter of a mile ahead of me. Like I said, against
the dark sky, it appeared to be round. What was most striking was the bright lights that surrounded it. They were multi colored and appeared like what I would describe as sequential, not sure if that's the correct word to use, like today's modern led Christmas lights. I'm not sure how long this encounter lasted, but I do recall how it ended, with military aircraft helicopters approaching
from the east. Being a field recruiter for that area for the US Army Reserve, I was aware that there was a Reserve military aviation unit nearby, well What happened next led me to believe that what I was looking at was indeed not an aircraft of our making or that of another country's making. As the Halo Helos helicopters got closer to the UFO, I saw what was an
impossible aerial maneuver. The object lights went dark, and immediately this object took a vertical climb straight up and then took off on a forty five degree angle across the sky, and within a few seconds from beginning to end, it was gone. The chopper state in the area flying around for a while, they may not have witnessed what those of us on the ground did, or else they would have known that the aircraft was long gone, or perhaps they
thought it might return. In retrospect, that night, I only heard and saw rotary aircraft, no fixed wing aircraft that I can recall, to the best of my calculations. That was probably nineteen eighty five or nineteen eighty six that this incident took place. My entire family can recall that night and vivid
detail, because this is something you don't easily forget. I guess today's Marine eighty eight Harrier jet has the capability of climbing vertically and taking off and engaging thrusters from that position, but nothing like the speed and maneuverability my family and I had witnessed that night, and mind you, that was almost forty years ago. I hope this helps you in your research project. Also, I am willing to undergo hit those this or be subject to a polygraph in order
to add validity to my encounter. And that is signed Joseph McCausland. Yeah. Just wow, so well described and written. You know, military man has some idea what he's you know, looking at and not knowing what he's looking at, and then willing, yeah, give me a polygraph, right, you know, and his whole family and I loved also love the line, this is something you don't easily forget. You know a lot of people say, oh, how can you remember something, because it's probably the most
remarkable thing you've ever seen in your life. You know, there is an intensity to these experiences that imprint them deeply on your mind. Yeah. I love his description of the impossible aerial maneuver. I mean, if that doesn't sum up without even describing what he saw, you know, in your mind, this is something that can't be done on earth. Just the way he says that leads up to that, it's like, Okay, he definitely saw something here. I mean, and we've heard from other witnesses, you know,
they how many have said the same thing. It was like a life altering moment for them seeing and not even people that have had alleged contact. There's people that have seen them of course, right, yeah, So we really do appreciate people sending in their their story, you know, and it just goes to show they're still out there. I mean, how many years have I been researching this and hear something from the wave of the eighties another you know, new quote, you know air quote, new story that I
had not heard. So please, I appreciate everyone, Thank you to this man for taking the time to write. It really is appreciated and we all benefit from it when witnesses come forward to tell their stories. So before we get to our sixteenth century witnesses, perhaps we ought to take our first break and dive back in time. Hudson River Radio dot com Hudson River Radio dot com a subsidiary of Glacier Entertainment called LC blasting the competition in New York's Hudson
Valley we are back here on Hudson River Radio Porters. Linda, what a way to start the show with a compan I witness account. I loved it. I hope I did justice to his when I read it and made it sound like him. You know, if he had been saying it. You did a great job there, very good, I mean, a credible witness, a great, very succinct explanation, given us enough background what was seen and how it impacted him to really drive home. Just how genuine that account
really seems to be. Yeah to me, definitely. So let's see how genuine these accounts are. We're going back to Nuremberg, Germany, fifteen sixty one. You might be familiar with the famous wood cut by Hans Glosso if not, as we're speaking, you might. If you have a different device, don't turn us off. You might want to better leave us. You might want to google the Nuremberg, Germany fifteen sixty one UFO a wood cut.
So here's the You know, people have said all things about it, but here is the account, which one skeptic said, well, the wood count the wood cut was made after the fact. Ah, how do you make a woodcut of a event that hasn't happened yet, so please don't get
me started anyway. Okay, So here's the account. In the morning of April fourteenth, fifteen sixty one, at daybreak, between four and five am, a dreadful apparition occurred on the sun and was then seen in Nuremberg, in this city before the gates, and in the country by many men and
women. So are establishing mass sighting here. At first there appeared in the middle of the sun two blood red semicircular arcs arcs, just like the moon in its last quarter, and in the sun above and below on both sides. The color was blood. They loved their love, their blood analogies. Here there's anything red was the color of blood. There's stood a round ball of partly dull, partly black ferris color. Okay, not a normal thing
you see at sunrise. Likewise, there stood on both sides and as a taurus about the sun, such blood red ones and other balls in large number, about three in a line and four in a square. Also some alone. So there's a lot of these spheres in the sky. So we have crescent shapes, we have spheres in between these globes. There were visible a few blood red crosses, between which there were blood red strips, becoming thicker to the rear and in the front malleable, like the rods of reed grass.
So I assumed they're moving, maybe changing shape, which were intermingled among them two big rods, one on the right, the other on the left, and within them the small and big rods were there were three also four and more globes. So we have cylinders and spheres of different colors moving around
near the sun. Okay, so you could say blood red sky for those of those of us in the country who have just undergone the Canadian wildfire smoke and saw orange skies, and well maybe there was ash, and you know, you can try to make some sort of rational things. But then here's the kicker. These all started to fight among themselves and fought vehemently with each
other for over an hour. And when the conflict in and again out of the sun was most intense, they became fatigued to such an extent that they all, as said above, fell from the sun down upon the earth as if they all burned, And they then wasted away on the earth with immense smoke, sounds like they crashed and burned Okay, now this is very extent exciting. After these were essentially shot out of the sky, it sounds like something like a black spear, very long and thick, was sighted. The
shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed west. Whatever such signs mean, God will mean. God only alone knows. So we have cylinders and spears crashing and burning at a large, enormous black triangle moving in. I can only urge people to pause. If you have to pull this image up, they have to see how it's illustrated to really understand what you're describing.
I mean, it's crazy. It's just an amazing and aerial battle. The descriptions, it's just I was looking at it as you were reading it, watching it, and I'm thinking, you know, he did a great job describing what was represented. I think, yeah. Some some critics, skeptics claim it was a sun dog, which is sunlight reflecting refracting in ice crystals.
I've seen sun dogs. They're called mock suns, and you see you see them usually on either side of the sun, and maybe they'll be a halo, but they don't start fighting amongst themselves and crash and burn, smoking to the ground. Ice crystals don't do that. I just need to point that out for the skeptical people in the audience. And then black triangles don't appear as if, Wow, well we've cleared the air of all of these
little menaces. So I just have to mention this episode. This fifteen sixty one sighting was mentioned in Carl Jung's nineteen fifty eight book Flying Saucers a modern myth of the modern myth of things seen in the sky. So right off the bat, he's saying myth. So he was the Swiss psychiatrist psychoanalyst,
emphasis on the psycho when I tell you what he describes. He believes the spectacle was most likely a natural phenomenon, and quote, if UFOs were living organisms, would one would think of a swarm of insects rising with the sun, not to fight one another, but to mate and celebrate the marriage flight. This just might be the stupidest thing I have ever read on UFO headquarters. I read some stupid accounts, stupid excuses. No, this was not
a battle amongst craft in the sky. Think of it as a swarm of insect mating. But that's just fabling. People used to pay this guy to analyze them. Yeah, so I want to check the refund policy at this point. So yes, stupid excuses side just a phenomenal account. And how you know a sun dog? There was on Good Friday in fifteen fifty four there was another publication which talked about like mocks Son's Okay, I could not find the actual test text of that, but could that have been a sun
dog? Yes, but if they started battling and came crashing down to Earth in an immense smoke, I think we can dismiss anything meteorological there. But this is just fabulous. People have to look at this would cut again just fifteen sixty one, Nuremberg, Germany. Then I thought this was interesting. Also in fifteen fifty four, in July of that month of that year, there was what was described as in the sky nights fighting each other with fiery
swords. Okay, what do knights wear metallic armor? They don't tend to have fiery swords. So are we talking about metallic craft with some sort of exhaust, some sort of fiery weapons. Hard to describe as something astronomical or meteorological in that regard, Are correct? Yeah? Absolutely? Absolutely? Yeah, So I have an fifteen sixty six in Basel, Switzerland, Basil,
however you would like to pronounce it. There was a publication called the fluke Blot of Basil, which was the word for a leaflet or another one, you know, one or two or I think was a just a one page folded leaflet printed by Samuel Cook. Yes, July twenty seventh, twenty eighth, and August seventh, he's writing about. So Saturday July twenty seventh, again fifteen sixty six in Switzerland was a warm, clear day, and around
nine pm he said, the sun got smaller and turned blood red. Okay, Sunday, the twenty eight the sun was still a deep red and the streets and everyone were bathed in a blood red light. You know they do love their blood red, they seem to. Yes. Yeah, So if that was the extent of it, you could say wildfire, smoke, volcanic ash turning things right. But one would think if it was a really bad wildfire, they would have gotten news of it at some point, and I
don't. I could not find of anything about any wildfires in July fifteen sixty six, So just those two I wouldn't have bothered with. Then we come to dawn of August seventh, we saw large black spheres coming and going with great speed and precipitation before the sun, and chattered as if they had led a fight. Many of them were fiery, red and soon crumbled and then extinguished. And again there is a wood cut. Look up Basel, Switzerland,
fifteen sixty six. Wood cut. I counted about thirty six spheres white and black people in the streets, you know, pointing up, looking in amazement of what was going on. So dozens of black and white spheres seeming to be in a fight, and again fiery, crashing and burning and disappearing. What the hell was going on in the sixteenth century. Well, if we asked the United States government to explain it to us, they would tell us that the Holy Roman Empire was testing one of their sky chariots, you
know, yes, during a temperature and during a temperature inversion. You know, the Roman Army was well known for having a spectacular airports at that time. Or it was Venus. It could have been Venus. It could have been Venus known to crash and burn in the countryside. So yeah, these are phenomenal. There are other accounts, other woodcuts in in archives but definitely take a look at those two. After we come back from our second break, we are going to another part of the world and this is going to
blow your mind. So we will be right back Hudson River Radio dot com. This is Hudson River Radio dot com. So we are way back in time today Linda in the fifteen hundredth and so on. And I know we're about to jump continents from Europe to another part of the world. But I wanted to just jump to something that struck me a long time ago that I saw. I've seen it many times in my trips there. I first saw it in the summer of two thousand and that is a wood what's a painting
on wood that is in the way. I'm going to mispronounce his name. The the store Kukin, which is the cathedral in Stockholm. It's an old cathedral and it's a painting which is voter Sluts of Valom. I know I just butchered Swedish there. I apologize, correct me, send us a message through to correct pronunciation. But it's from It depicts an event April twentieth, fifteen thirty five that occurred over the skies of Stockholm and I first looked at
this in two thousand. The first thing I thought was UFOs because it depicted a bunch of circular objects in the sky over Stockholm at different overlaps. And of course that the interpretation has been they were sundogs, and they might and they may wear very well. I've been The original painting is lost. This is believed to be a copy made sometime in the sixteen thirties that was redone, so it's not for a long time they thought it was original, then
it was. You know, it turns out now it's a really good copy. But you know, I always looked at that, and every time I've gone back to Stockholm and gone there, I always go look at it because I'm always like, you know, and I've never really seen a SunDog. I guess maybe that looked like that. Maybe I've not seen enough sundogs, but I always jumped out. I mean, the minute you started talking about all these old cases, you know, I'm like, hey, that's the
par helion. I think that's what they used to call it. So yeah, very cool. Yeah, yeah, there's some very interesting things in old paintings, Renaissance paintings, you know, which described as it's the Holy Spirit in a metallic ball with a person sitting in it with flames coming out the back. Okay, that's not the way the Holy Spirit was described to me
in Sunday School. So, yes, we are going to Korea now sixteen o nine, so we're a little technically out of the sixteenth century, but you know they're the from thirteen ninety two to eighteen ninety seven was the Joson dynasty. Talk about butchering things. I'm about to butcher a lot of Korean here. And they had scribes that they wrote down everything in what was called the True Record of the Joson Dynasty. And it was true because if it
was found out you had written a falsehood, you could be executed. So I was thinking, if they brought that back now, we would have no news channels left, all all the major news networks would be gone, social media everything, Yeah, we would. We would have to go back to books. So they wrote down the weather, battles, everything, the king ate. You know, you can imagine these compulsive little scribes running around just constantly writing things. My favorite thing, and the scribe who did this is
one of my favorite people of all time. Even though I don't know who he was. In fourteen oh four, King Taijong fell off his horse while hunting. He immediately jumps up, run over, runs over to the scribe and says, don't you write this down? So what did the scribe do? Wrote down how the king fell off his horse and how the king told him not to write it down. I just loved that. That made my
day. So they wrote down on everything. In other words, I, you know, did that too, even at the risk of the king's wrath. They wrote down everything, and obviously they could be killed if they didn't, you know, if they weren't accurate. So we are going to September twenty second, sixteen o nine in the Gangwong Province, which is in the northeast section of South Korea. Of course it wasn't South Korea then, but I just to give you an idea where that was in the town of ghost
yang Gong between nine and eleven am. The scribe writes down whether the sun shone brightly in the blue sky and there was not a single cloud in all directions, then writes down strange aerial phenomenon out noises like thunder or drums. People came out on the street in fear. They come running out of their houses because of this. Then something like smoke came out of the sky. In two places, the shape of a halo of sunlight could be observed,
and it was constantly moving then abruptly stopped after a long time. Okay, so at first, well it was thunder without you know, a lightning storm, or it was sundor. But then this circular object is moving all around the sky and finally stops after a long time, and I guess goes away. So conventional explanation anything now, No. So at the same time, around the same time, between nine and eleven am, the scribe of Wanjamuk writes that there was a red glowing object shaped like a long cloth that flew
from south to north. A loud noise like thunder was heard in the sky and then stopped. I can't figure this one out. What could possibly look a red glowing object looking like a long cloth? Right, I can't even I can't even picture that. Do you want to take the next one from yang Nyong? Yeah, let me switch my pages here again. From nine to eleven am, so this was seen basically a five or six hour period all over this area of Korea. Do you want me to. I got
it here. This is gong noong. I didn't pronounce that correctly, did I? The sun was bright and clear. There was a I can't remake out that first word, strange aerial phenomena just as bad as you. Yeah, I know, as long as we can read it ourselves, but most of the time I can't. A physical object suddenly appeared in the sky and made small noises, so a little different than the other ones we've been talking about, which were thunderous or drumming almost. Its shape was like a large
gourd pointed at the top and bottom, a gorge shape. I have not No, that's another one, yeah, I mean, but a great description really puts an image in my mind. Its movement was as if it was about to fall to the ground. The shape gradually grew to three or four yine, which is thirty to forty feet, and the color was extremely glowing red. A white aura appeared in its trajectory. Was it a control yeah? Which right, which took a long time to dissipate in the air.
After the object was gone, thunder was heard and the sound shook the heavens and earth. Okay, I mean, okay, how do you explain that one in terms of something meteorological or a large gourd shaped object pointed top and bottom, leaving a white aura in its trajectory that took time to dissipate. Yes, sounds like a contrail, right, and some exactly enormous object. So a little bit later, between eleven am and one pm in chung Chong, the weather was clear and blue, except for a brief cloud in the
southern east sky. Once again reporting on strange aerial phenomenon. At midday, a firelight was observed in the sky. It was shaped like a large bowl, and it was formed in the southeast and flew to the north. It was very large and moved like an arrow. But after a long while, the fire object gradually dissipated and blue and white smoke appeared and expanded, which started to fly in a curve and did not disperse for a long time.
The sounds like thunder and drums shook the heavens and earth and then stopped a large bowl. Yeah, I am just I'm struck by the you know, the loud drums or thunder aspect of these encounters, Like what were they hearing? What was causing that? Yeah? We don't often hear explosions In a lot of modern UFO reports, you know, people say, oh, I heard an explosion. Could they have been hearing a sonic boombs? Could they've
been hearing things? I don't know. Yeah, it's it's fascinating. But again, if you just heard the sounds, big deal, distant thunder or you know, sometimes sounds are heard before an earthquake, but they're not you know, shaped like a bowl or record, moving like an arrow, and you know, these are very highly descriptive. These scribes are trying their best with their limited range of knowledge of what's going on in the sky to describe it. So this we've got, We've got two more. I'll take the
next one. You can, you can take the last one to three pm, so a little later in the day in Yang Yang, Hopefully I got that right. Mun Wee Kim, a rank official, saw a shiny round object resembling a wash basin floating mid air in the middle of his house garden. Its movement at first was this if it was about to crash to the ground, but soon it went up by one yang, which as we know now is ten feet, so as if some kind of chi or energy was
present in the air. That's fascinating. It went up as if some sort of energy pushed it up. The object was about an armful in size and about half a pill. Okay, a pill is three feet You're learning more about Korean forms of menasurement than you ever wanted to know. Half a pill in length, white color on the east side, glowing blue in the center, and red on the west side. When Kim looked at it, it started to fold like a rainbow, which resembled a rolled flag. Hurst it
looks like a wash basin. Then it's like that other description of the long cloth in the air. That's what I was thinking to that. Relating it to that, is that like ribbons of smoke swirling. I'm trying to get my head around this. Then it started to ascend, and halfway up in the air it turned red all over. It moved north and turned into some white clouds, which were beautiful to see. Now did it actually go in
the clouds or did it mask itself in clouds? Not really clear. Then it flew into the sky very fast, as if it were attracted to the sky. I mean, is this describing the movement of modern day UFOs as if it was attracted to the sky, crashing into the sky as if it was spitting out energy. Sounds like an exhaust or a thruster. Right, this scribe is amazing, Yes, his work here. Suddenly it was split into two pieces from the middle. How many times have we heard craft dividing.
One flew southeast and disappeared and the other still floating where it looked like a square cushion. Okay, we now have an early rectangular square UFO sighting. And for a long time there was a sound like thunder or stones rolling. So there again is the loud noise. But I mean, just think of the details in this. You just this is not a swarm of insects mating. Let me point that out. Sorry, Carlyong. It's just remarkable.
So if you would like to finish off with the last selection here, and this is the one in the pyong Nang Private Pong right, nang jeong Yang is right, Pyongyang Province in northwest North Korea today in the northern part of the divided country, and it's one to three pm in Sanshan. The day was clear and open without a single dot of a cloud. So already we got a great image of the sky just being this beautiful blue sky. An observer was startled by the sound of artillery fire from the edge of the
eastern sky. When he looked up in the sky, a fireball that looked like a haystack was falling into the sky. The place where the fireball passed was like a waterfall with the gates of heaven wide open. Okay, what is that? What is like a waterfall with the gates of heaven wide open? You know, I'm trying to imagine to leave a contract again. And it looked like it came out of something I don't know. Yeah, that gates of heaven. Why you know, you could see a waterfall, its
smoke, something like that. But with the gates of heaven wide open? What on earth was he see? And again he's trying his best, but again the booming. This time he's describing it as artillery. So something in sixteen o nine, that September day, over a six hour period, was happening over a wide swath of Korea. And certainly they were not making this up because they would have been killed if they were right. That's a good reason not to make things up. But you don't have any knowledge of aerial
craft, of propulsion, of flight, of thrust, of exhaust. They're doing their best. Their washing basins with a white aura streaming behind, moving like an arrow, hovering, moving very fast. So they're using their plane everyday ordinary language to describe things to other people who may read it in their
own plane ordinary everyday language us in the future. They're not thinking about what are they going to think of this in your two thousand and twenty three, you know, they're thinking what are they gonna you know when when they this another scribe looks at this, well, they understand what I'm what I'm describing. At best I can, Yeah, you know what I just thought of. As I have gone to some fabulous air shows, sometimes when jets really
take off, they leave that swirling contrail you've probably picked. I wonder if that's what they're trying to do, this rolling like a fabric like I don't know. I'd love to hear from people their thoughts of what this could be, because I certainly can't explain it by any conventional sixteen o nine possibilities. And what I really appreciate about these accounts is we may not be able to
recreate an accurate picture of what they've seen. You know, we can speculate, Yeah, but it doesn't change or undermine the authenticity of these descriptions. Like they're more compelling because of the way they're described. That these were things men saw and wrote down. They were compelled to write them down, and they described them the best they could. And again they had no reason to lie, every reason to tell the truth. Yeah, and look how many
places we mentioned across what area they were all seeing similar things. Maybe it was multiple things, you know, a gored, a washbasin, the gates of heaven opening up. Boy. That it's just it's just remarkable. So you know when we talked about in the last episode when the CIA says or
remember everything you saw in the fifties and sixties that was us. Yeah, I think we can eliminate the CIA and YouTube spy planes and government projects because there was nothing nothing flying around in Nuremberg in fifteen sixty one or Korea in sixteen o nine. So these sightings are extremely important to set the precedent. This is nothing new. That's a great you just made a great point. Actually, we are able to eliminate the known explanations that today would get in
the way airplanes whether their balloons whatever, and they weren't there. There was no possibility, not even a slight possibility, right right, which is great for the description because now it eliminates a whole class of common explanations, and sometimes they're legitimate. People do see odd things in the sky which turn out it is a weather balloon, or it is satellite, it is an airplane. But to rule, you know, that rule makes it so much more
credible, these old reports that it didn't exist. So you know, they're gonna have to try harder to debunk these, Yes, mating insects and sundogs and mass hallucinations. There was one, you know, mass hallucinations by people who are not in contact with one another over vast distances. I don't think so. So yeah, I love these old ones. So again, I'd love to hear from people, well, you know, send us your wit
and eyewitness accounts. I'd love to hear your interpretations, and I you know, we can mention them on the air if they're oh, absolutely crazy, I would. I would love for some of our audience who are artistic to maybe try to draw from their own what they're hearing those descriptions, What do they interpret that to be in their interpretation of that description. Yes, and they don't have to go to the length of making wood cuts would be okay, maybe a little pastel. So yeah, so there we have it.
I love this stuff. Yes, all right, you're out there listening and your artistic get those descriptions, and we would love to see your work. We would definitely. We can't show it on the podcast, obviously, I'll put it on. Yeah. People seem to not know that I have books, and I have of a Facebook page called Hudson Valley UFOs, So feel free to go to Hudson Valley UFOs and you know, you can email me and I will post things, and yes I do have books. Just look
me up on Amazon because I still get people. You know, there was a lot of sightings in the Hudson Valley in the eighties. You should look into that. Yeah, maybe I'll do that. I will give you a shameless plug. If anyone out there has not read at least one of your UFO books, let alone all of them, they don't know what they're missing. They need to, if anything, get the most recent one that came out, because that's sort of the compendium. I guess maybe the big volume,
but get it. Read it. It is unlike any other book on the subject they'll ever pick up and we'll likely ever pick up. I'm telling you that not just become a good friend of yours. It's that well done that and I think that you hear that from a lot of different people in the field because you really do approach it from your own perspective. I try to thank you, and I do owe you a buffet for that, so
I'm I'm gonna keep track of that. I have witnesses now, all right, Well, thank you everyone for joining us, and I guess I will unless you have something else bring us out. You have bo hud quarters on Hudson River Radio, and we will see you again next time. Keep your eyes to the sky, Hudson River Radio. Your dog likes us.