Two Ts Presents: Popping Off: “Dog Days of Summer” (VPR Ep 4)

Hi, guys, this is Teddy Mellencamp and I'm joined by my friend Emily Simpson for our new spin off show hopping Off, where we are digging deep on this season of Banner Pump Rules. Hi, welcome to another episode of Hopping Off with Teddy Mellencamp and.

And Emily Simpson. Next time, I'm going to say my name first. Just want to let you know you can take the lead next time.

I mean, this time, I feel like it's a double wind for me because I'm in Mexico overlooking this beautiful.

Water I know, and I'm in rain in Orange County. So really you should have let me do that because you should throw me a bone when I'm in Orange County in the rain.

Yeah I should. But I hope you're enjoying the rain and you're probably off to go film today. But something we need to address right at the beginning of the podcast is, y'all, we know and understand that Tom Schwartz is name Tom.

Schwartz or I know you guys think we're idiots, but we're not that big of idiots.

We clearly know his name is Schwartz. We just have made a conscious decision that for the duration of this podcast popping off, we are going to refer to Tom as shorts, so we either get with it or get out. If you don't realize that we're making a joke, it just blows off the tongue a little better, and it actually quite suits him, especially now that he's on his sober curious journey. He's got a lot of shorts to figure out. So, yeah, you know, I can't even with that sober curio.

It is such a long name, a sober curious journey for someone who basically is like should I stop drinking or not?

And that's it.

Listen, I am not sober curious today. I have already started, and it's a lot later here.

I'm wondering how I'm going to This is a question I have that my husband's able to do properly. But as seeing as you were recently photographed dancing on a bar, I think you may struggle with. Some of the things that I struggle with is how to astain an entire day of casual drinking without being a mess at the end of the day.

I'd see I don't drink during the day, I only drink random.

You wouldn't like on a housewipe. Like for example, I would leave this and go right to like the first like pool party blah blah blah that my husband's having for his work thing. So it's like, how do I keep the momentum going going? Okay, right now?

I could take a little nappy poo. Yeah, Well you have to either stop drinking completely and eat some food or you have to just drink continuously the whole day.

You just can't stop. Well, this could be rough, This could go poorly for me, This could end poorly. We had boots on the ground, people focusing their information on getting us some additional details because something about her is still all over the world wide.

Webs It is something about nothing. It is.

Something about There is nothing about her. There is nothing about her that's currently and it's in its form. We had one of our producers drive by.

It was Monica that drove by.

Monica's side producing cars from Salt Lake City and she's in town and she decided to drive by. She also is working on getting AT access to their security cameras which are not hooked up.

But we keep seeing reports that it's going.

You know, they're on a slight delay, but something we need to point out before we even get to delay. Is they filmed that opening scene inside of this restaurant that had a sign that had the little green square out front to set all that is gone. Yeah, we were told that that does not mean that this isn't opening. We are told that the original restaurant or low thing that was there was not permitted to have those items up, so they had to take them down just outside.

So the items outside were not permitted. Is that what you're saying, Uh huh, So they had to be removed. So now it just looks like a desolate location. But we're assured that there's something going on inside at your.

Point, This is what I'm being told according to our producer who drove up up close and personal, we can't with one hundred percent certainty guarantee there's nothing going on past the blinds.

Because there's blackoutshades over all of the windows. So maybe if you lift those up, there's an entire thing of sandwich making going on inside. Right, speak easy. There is a speakeasy here at this hotel, which is kind of brilliant. You go in, it looks like a pharmacy, Like it is a pharmacy they're selling all types of things, like the full pharmacy, but then you go in it. It's a pharmacia.

It's a pharmacia for pharmacia.

You walk into the pharmacia, and then in order to get into the speakeasy, you have to use the code word aspirin.

At least it's not mass.

Yeah, it's not heroin or crack or fiddle. But what do you think the code word is for something about her?

Do you think it's it's shorts, it's a it's b LT. Yeah, So we don't know.

This is what we're doing the best work that we can because and also rumors Schwarts and Sandy's is supposedly no longer going to be staying open.

I did see a little reference to that, but that has neither been confirmed nor denied.

It's just a rumor, I guess at this point. But the only other rumor that we were able to get out of this rumor is that the guy who is seen featured as one of the main dudes from Shorts and Sandy's is a scientologist. I don't know what this has to do with anything else, but that's what we know.

Wait, he's a partner. The scientologist is a partner. Oh, there were some protests. Maybe the protests. Now I'm just going to start making shit up what kind of protests?

I was about to be like, well, there were protests and allegedly this guy's wife got arrested. Wait, we have to go back to protests. You can't just say protests and leave me yanging. Here's the thing. I don't know what the protests were about. We don't know, we have no idea what the protests are about. And also I don't really need scientology coming after me. Yeah. I wouldn't want that either, So I'm going to just zip it. We don't know what the protests are about, but we do know that's okay.

Wait, so there was a protest and his wife got arrested, So now there's problems with the restaurant because of that.

That's according to really reliable sources aka TikTok.

That's what's going on.

That is where I get all of my information.

Whenever I talk about what's going on currently, I have to preface it by saying I saw in an instagram.

Real. So, according to the sources at TikTok, this is what we've heard. Other things. Everybody and their mother except for us were at the People's Choice Awards. I was wondering why we were invited. It was I mean, it was weird. I mean not just because we weren't nominated for anything. I know. I was like, what weird?

I don't see popping off anywhere around here.

I'm confused. But the Bravo series received nods in two categories. Vand Pump Rules competed for Show of the Year. Gray's Anatomy took home. How are Gray's Anatomy and Vander Pump Rules in the same category. I know, I wondered the same thing.

I was like, who was smoking crack when they put them in the same category.

That makes no sense.

You're talking about a scripted show, and I don't get a reality show.

It's I guess it's just the it's a show of the year, so it can be any show. I mean, I get that it's the TV show of the year. I mean, y'all don't have our producers are.

Like, guys, it's the TV show of the year.

Yeah, we understand. But it's they're two very different I mean, I guess they're not too different demographics because I watch both shows, so I don't know. But then It also was competed in Reality Show of the Year, but the Kardashians won this category. That is surprising what the Kardashians talking shocking?

What?

But no, who did win? Ariana? Yeah? Ariana won for her part, she won for Competition Contestant of the Year after appearing on season thirty two of Dancing with the Stars. She also was up for Reality TV Star of the Year. However, it was once again a shocker. Chloe Kardashian took home that honor. YEA shout out to Chloe Kardashian. Okay, Chloe, Okay, I'm just I'll probably get a little crap for this.

Is acting, if she will be up for the same She might be up for Least Favorite Reality Star of the Year, reality TV Villain of the Year.

Yeah. This episode was hard to watch. It was really hard to watch. It was multiple for multiple reasons. But before we get there, there's an extra article Katie Maloney on awkward and frustrating New pump Roule season. On the Green Carpet, Katie admitted it was the most awkward, frustrating season I've ever been a part of because just coming off the reunion, it was just a few months later, a lot of information was trickling in over a period

Okay, I don't understand that that was like a very vague statement.

I think she's saying that she was being I mean, I'm just guessing she's being Ari on his ride or Die regardless if anything, because of her morals, and this was so quickly off of it, she couldn't, I would hope. Okay, let's just say this was me and you. Let's say that Edwin cheated on me with someone we know where me and Edwin are still living in the house with a white noise machine and a lamp. Don't forget the friendship lamp. Yeah, and the friendship lamp and all the things.

I would, I honestly would. I would say, I know what it's done. It's over. You can't change the past. You're with Brad Pitt, so stop crying and acting like a victim and move forward and get out of the house.

Move out.

And also, we learned a new word which I now have forgotten it.

But oh, it's like the flu. I think it's squatting essentially, like you're living in a place and not it's a.

Form of squatting, which right, yeah, I don't ever made that up. I don't think it's a legal term. I don't think I can go look up my California real estate terms and frogging will be in there.

But can you shoot over a text to Gina and see if she knows.

Why would Gina know, Oh, because she's a real estate aga.

I didn't. I'm saying I don't think it's a real term. I think someone's got to be a real term. Everyone's online saying it. But this is what I can't comprehend about, the not paying of it all. If you are to look at how much you are mortgage is, and how much your cable bill is and how much your whatever bills are, it's not that difficult to say this is half.

Yeah, I don't understand why there's a why there's confusion that makes no sense to me. Plus you get you get bills for everything, so all you do is divide by two.

I mean, I'm not great at mad highlight it. Highlight them.

You're like, Okay, here's the bills for April bop bop.

You owe half.

It's not raps, I do believe.

And I granted I still don't share a bank account with my husband, but I do not think unless you have all of these types of details ironed out with financials, that you should share a bank account with somebody you film a reality television show with.

I think it's always going to get messy. And someone that you're not married to.

Yeah, because then who really at what point? I mean, I guess it could be considered you're in a partnership after a certain amount of years, but not paying because you're not sure of how the bills work. I just don't know how that's going to pan out.

Yeah, but I really think it's not paying because you're just bitter and you just don't want to pay, don't feel like you are obligated to.

But even you're obligated to, Yeah, I.

Mean, if you originally were paying, you originally put money into that joint account to pay from, you should be paying. But we also heard not to only come down in Ariana that they did some sort of I'm going to get the wording wrong, but some kind of mortgage or something they second financing of the house to help him pay for shorts and Sandy's and all that kind of stuff. So I'm sure there's other financial situations that aren't fully

Correct.

Now we're going to get into the truth about vander Pump rules conspiracy revealed. So when the it's not about the Palsta and everybody thought they were thought they were talking about coke coke, right. What we're told is during a twenty eighteen episode of Bravo reality series, James Kennedy and La La got into a heated fight about her allegedly eating his then girlfriend's food, which led into DJ

It was really about the pasta.

You guys people thought, there's no way this is actually about the pasta. She concluded, they can't be this passionate about someone eating someone else's pasta. So it's not code word for anything. But we can put that room to bed now. So I have a question, is Rachel now the end all be all of people we trust when it comes to anything, whether it's cocaine versus pasta, whether it's cheating or friendship lamps.

She just I guess the argument is she has nothing to lose at this point, so you know, she might as well be honest. I mean, she got caught cheating, so why would you lie about pasta at this point? I mean, I feel like I feel like at this with everything that's gone on with her, she would be honest, because how much worse can it get?

Well, drugs, I guess it wasn't about the pasta.

I mean I like pasta, so I can understand how you could get that heated. If somebody ate my spaghetti and meatballs, I'd be pissed.

Listen, if somebody ate my penny bowlonnaise that I put the right amount of red chili flakes on and had the right ratio of everything, I'd get annoyed too, right, and it would be about the pasta. It would can be about the pasta.

I mean, I like pasa better than drugs, so it makes sense to me.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not interested in doing any cocaine, but if you tried to take my champagne, it would be about the champagne.

Right, Like I don't have addictive habits, Like I don't think I could ever get addicted to meth or cocaine, but I could eat.

Off the daily and not stop. So it makes sense to me.

I get it well. Speaking of abuse, Kristen Dooty confirms James Kennedy abuse allegations on her podcast Okay Kristin and her boyfriend Luke were chatting on her podcast, Sex Love and What Else Matters. When Luke joked that James' DJ name should be DJ Beats Women Allegedly, Kristin fires back, it's not alleged, that's exactly right. Fans point out that Kristin has also punched James on camera, as well as

It would have been a March yes timeframe. Well, the thing is, I don't know. Ali doesn't want to say what it is because she doesn't want to talk about it, but she tells La La that La Law should ask him and find out what it is. So that makes me feel like it's not something physical, because otherwise, why would she encourage Lala to go ask him? And maybe he'll be honest with her. I mean maybe it's just rage in general. Yeah, maybe gets angry. Maybe I had

We can't be one hundred percent because now with this timing, I'm confused. But what I I think she's telling La Lala to say something, but she probably has a touch amount of anxiety and fear about bringing up whatever this may be with James on camera.

Oh yeah, that's true too. That's a good point. So then if Lala does it, then La La can get herself in trouble. But Ali wants to stay in the in the clear.

What's going on?

There's a shade coming down behind you.

Hey, no one's even in there. How's this happening? I don't know? Wow, Okay, well you have a new background. Now, a new background. The episode starts, James and Ali are hosting their first get together at the new house. James admits he spent two thousand dollars for this pool party. Okay, we've already talked about it. I'm not good at math, but like his math his math is not mathing.

But twelve towels, three floaties, and a grill.

He bought.

The The grill alone had of costs, right, I don't know. I've never bought a grill. It looked expensive.

I mean that, I don't know. It seemed like a big expenditure for two thousand dollars. I mean the three floaties. Maybe the little thing that you had to buy to blow up the floaties.

Well, he had to buy the food and alcohol.

Okay, all right, did you see anyone eating? I saw Ariana eating.

They showed a little clip of her eating something, and I saw some burgers on fire.

Okay, Well, before that happened, Arianna and Katie go into a lift and it happened to be the same lift driver that took Ariana and stand of All home the night of March first, when she found out about the fair. The lift driver remembered bringing them home because they were fighting about the affair in his car. So this is the night he drops his phone, And I'm trying to think that maybe this lift driver knows more about vander Pomp rules than he's letting on.

Yeah, he's like, you look familiar to me. I think I remember this house. Meanwhile, he has a whole like Reddit page or something.

Meanwhile, he's a shrine of sand all in his home.

He's the guy that was randomly talking to James at Santoval's party.

Yes, it's that guy, same guy.

But then Katie, Katie and Arianna are talking shit about Shorts and his Tahoe trip. They have permits, licensing and staffing to worry about for their sandwich shop. Well, apparently they didn't worry enough because it ain't done. No, they should have worried a little more.

They can't just sell sandwiches out of that floaty that had their their sign on it, the signage that James made for them. It said something about her. They could just start making some sandwich and just float around in a pool.

If they would have brought the sandwiches to this party, it would have cost James less money.

Yes, and then they could have practiced. They could have made sandwiches.

Held it out of that lit It would have been a really good Instagram post too. Right. Yeah, but I feel like from now on we just need to go to Santa Monica Boulevard and just take lifts up and down, down and see if we can find this guy. But how do we find out more details about him? I don't know.

You're just gonna have to throw it out into the universe. He probably listens to this podcast. We for sure he does.

We could stand outside of shorts and Sandy's or something about her, say our name is Ariana and see how long until we get picked out?

That's right, let's do it, Okay, we have the time. She and La La show up at Villa Rosa to chat with Lisa. She wants to talk about Sandaval and his depression. Sheena and Lala emphasize they're only seeing the side of him that's not taking any accountability and projecting his emotions onto others. Lisa tears up as she talks about her brother's suppression, saying she will not let Sandoval go.

Through the same thing.

Lala admits she never took Sandival's mental health into consideration. She doesn't want to be angry anymore. It's tearing her apart.

Is not that a song, It's tearing.

Me apart when I'm with you.

Yeah, Sheena calls Tom one of the best friends she's ever had in her entire life. But it's forgiving Sandoval worth it if she loses Ariana. So what do you think would you be able to move forward if you're Lala and Sheena?

Okay, well, well first talking about Laala. I did very much appreciate Laala in this scene because all of these people have done wrong.

They've all treated they've all done whatever.

I mean. At one point, Lala was eating Arianna's pasta cooky so oh, yeah, it wasn't the pasta. Yeah, all I was eating Arianas.

It also starts with a peed Oh it's not pasta.

We're not talking. It's not about the pasta. It's not about the pasta. It was about the cookie.

It's about the cookie.

Okay. So, I mean they've all had these things happen. But I think where Laala really kind of hits home as she says, like, I was letting my emotions and how I felt about my personal relationship kind of cloud everything that's going on here, and I didn't think about how he was doing because I was so angry. I did. I felt compassion for all parties involved in that moment. I had too. I actually cried during this moment.

I just want everyone to know that I got very emotional during this moment. I felt like what Lisa was saying really hit home because she was relating it back to her brother who committed suicide, and she's saying, let's I mean, how long can you continue to persecute stand the bal At some point you got to let it go.

I think if they're going to continue persecuting stand of all, there's no place for him on the show.

Like it has to stop. It's exhausting.

It is exhausting, and like you said, there is no one in this group with clean hands. Everybody has done terrible things to each other at some point, so why is it that they all just continue to I understand what he did was worse than anything else, but at some point you have to just move forward. I mean, he's been persecuted enough, not only by this whole group of friends, but by the entire population in general. Like how much are I.

Also think that people are This may not be the right word, but people are scared of Ariana and Katie of pissing them off.

I agree, And I don't know if they're scared from a show point of view, where they're scared to say anything against Ariana because of public backlash, Because I don't feel like anyone's really saying what they really want to say because they're worried about public opinion.

Or going back because they all went so hard before. You know, like when you're really animate about something and then you realize you may have been wrong, and then you're like, shit, I'm going to look like a hypocrite, or but how can you get a pass?

It doesn't have to be hypocrisy, though it can be like in that moment, I was that angry, and now that time has passed, you know, I mean, I don't know, like you can't hold that amail the anger forever.

At some point you just have to move on and let it go.

And I also think it the way that Arianna and Katie and and I like both of these people, Like if we were out right now, those are two people that I would gravitate to.

They're very fun when we're together, but they kind of have.

This like RBS, like resting bitch face on them about everything involving the whole thing, like and calling Sheena like, oh, you're a flip flopper and you're this, and like those words if you're very confident and you say those to somebody who.

May struggle in that area a little bit or who.

I think Sheena's job is kind of always on the line in Vandon Brumbles, like some seasons we see her a lot and some we don't. And these two, like you know, pivotal women from you know, last season, are telling her what she has to do. It's gone a weigh on you. It's kind of like a and I hate saying it, but like a mean girl persona like you either fall in line with this or you're out with us.

Yeah, I and I feel like when you look at Sheena and you look at La La, I feel like they have more that they want to say, but they're holding back.

Yeah. But Katie and Sheena have always had a tumultuous relationship over the course of the show, and I'm assuming we're going to see more of it coming out. You know now that Katie and Shorts are both hooking up with Sheena's babysitter, who was also talking about ozepic to Summer Moon, which I thought was another strange thing this episode.

It's like, really, do we have like a little baby doctor kid or something that syringe And she's like, should I give her the zimpick?

I'm like, I don't know from all now that I'm going back. She is really narrowing down the one person she trusts with her kid. I'm not sure it's the one that's making out with shorts Katie me and talking about ozimpic shots to her two year old.

Yeah, but then but she doesn't really trust her because then she has her sister come over.

Yeah, and then oh, but it gets heated at the end when Rock brings up she Anda's mom, which which we we got into a little bit last night. But anyways, we get back to Schwartz's semi curious sober journey coming to an end at the pool party. We're seeing him doing things like is that really a journey? Is it really a journey.

If you're just like I was, wondering if I should be sober.

Nope, I'm not not today, not today, not today. Now When I jump off the balcony into this five foot pool, like that felt dangerous to me.

Yeah, I kept thinking someone is gonna get whiplash or break their neck or their back.

And also don't jump too high because one of those airplanes could have just easily be right over. But Laala and Ali, this is where they talk about James sobriety. Ali won't share what james reason is for quitting, but said he may confide to Laala about it, which I hate to be the bear of bad news. He has not yet. And then James, but I love this, He's so but he's just love the editing THHC and fused beverage.

Yes, while his barbecue is up in flames.

I I love the editors. They love to do stuff like that.

It's like, let's let's talk about how he's been sober for three months and how hard that is.

Meanwhile his gorilla is on fire and.

He's let's also, I don't know, are you can you really? Can you really say you've been sober for three months if.

You're chugging to you? I'm not saying.

Yes.

They may be different.

They may like I am a different drunk if I have vodka versus Margarita's, like I am not. I can't drink vodka like it's I'm nasty, like no buoyno, Like I know that's not a good drink for me. But like if I have a couple of skinny marks, or if I have a couple of glasses of champagne, I can be somewhat tolerable, but I don't know if you're having multiple I've had one THHC full drink and I remember having a hard time like formulating words.

Yes, I had one of tameras and I couldn't stop laughing. Yeah, so it's like you're putting on I put the hoodie on, I like closed it over my face, couldn't stop laughing. I mean it was definitely a different effect than when I drink tequila or something like that. But your but your mind influence, right, you're under the influence. You're still there's still alters. You're still your mind is altered.

Yeah, it's a little questionable. But then La La and Schwarts do have their heart to heart. Lalla apologizes for her wrongdoings and Shorts apologizes for the way he slashed out at her, But then he kind of keeps making like flirtatious jokes.

Yeah, Like I mean it was you.

You're so hot, but just plutonically speaking, but you're really hot.

Like I make fun of your lips, but they are the sexiest lips I've ever seen as a friend.

I you're the beautiful woman on the face of the earth, but this is just a plutonic.

I want to bone your brains out if you weren't my friend.

Could you take your bathing suit off forrgeous friend? Can I get a whiff your cookie? That just for a second, but as a as a brother type, so bizarre, but it really it really was a lot. Then we get into Sandoval and Billy Lee.

Oh my gosh, he deserves an Emmy for that.

One. I'm like, this is not a shock to you. We all know you've been on Special Forces drowning yourself and freezing cold water and getting yourself out of like sunken helicopters with like a bag of money or whatever it is, like wherever your excursion is. And now you can't sit in this cold punched tub for twenty seconds.

It's intense. It's intense.

I arned every day you do. You're nuts.

I would never I have never done it. I would never do it.

Well, now that you said that, you will the next time the film popping off of my house, You're gonna take a little dunk and then I'll give you some pasta.

I then I'll eat. It's all about the pasta.

Then he talks about how he misses Rachel. They haven't talked in three weeks. He tells Billy what they had was love and that's why he was addicted to it, and he couldn't see anything else. He wants to give their relationship a shot, and he's saving himself for her. Billy looks heartbroken at this point. She's like oh, but she tries to go Wait, he's saving himself means he's not screwing other women? Is that? Yeah? Right now, he's off the sauce. He's not just sober curious. He is

Okay, can I.

Can I say something during that conversation, I was. I was so annoyed with her, how she kept talking about how manipulative he is while she's manipulating that entire group into disliking him and staying mad at him.

And I don't understand caring if your friend. I understand being if Arianna wants to be mad at Rachel till the end of time, and I get her hanging out with the group, I get it, But being mad at these other women or his best friend remaining friends with him. Yeah, he didn't try to kill anybody. He wasn't. He didn't try to kill her. He didn't put her life in changer. Like, I get it. It was a really shitty thing he did.

Well let's talk about she has a right to not want to be around Sandoval, not want to have a relationship with him, and not want to be anywhere near him.

Got it, great?

But then don't bother with him, maybe yes.

But exactly move out, and then you can't control everyone else's relationship with him. You have to let each one of those people have their own journey and get to whatever relationship they want.

She has to let that go. It's exhausting. It is exhausting, and the fact that we should still be feeling bad for Ariana if she took a different route right now. I feel like I would have empathy for her, but because it's so like stank face, annoyed, yeah, manipulating, yeah, and it's like, yeah, he all these things, he sucks, but these are his friends.

And not for nothing. They were his friends first. Yeah, exactly. Just to let it go.

It's so what it's when did she do the confessional where she's putting the makeup on. I had to watch that like five times. I was like, could you look any more? Just like yeah, when she was talking about shorts and she pulls out the mirror and she's like dabbing her face the whole time, I was like, I can't, Well, you.

Can tell at that point she's hoping they're.

Not going to use that. She's talking to production, right, but she's like just by point, I know and the fact that they used it. I was like, oh, for the loves. They're wanting to prove that you can't you know, you can put demands on who you film with and who you don't film with. They're saying, we're gonna.

Make you regret that day exactly.

Then James comes over to La LA's apartment and they talk about a sobriety, how him and Ali got into a huge fight while he was drunk amid the sand of all Rachel affair, and he came home and she was gone, along with their cats. He quit drinking in twenty nineteen for Rachel. This was a little hypocritical because he said he quit drinking because of the relationship with Rachel, but this time he was doing it for himself. But then he tells us he actually did it because Ali left with the cats.

Okay, but what did they get He doesn't go into detail, but what they got in a fight about right, it was after the affair, But we don't know the details of what they got in this huge fight.

About you mean in regard to Ali.

And yeah, when he left or she left and the cat. I love that she took the cats. She's like, I'm leaving and taking the cats. She's like, I'm going to prove to you that I'm really gone, and so I'm taking my favorite things about being with you, and that's our cats, right. So she never says what neither of them say what they were fighting about. So now essentially we're in the same situation we were when things got bad with Rachel, where he stopped drinking, said that's his

That side of you where you will fight badly with your significant other when you drink, does that not exist at all when you're not drinking. I find that hard to believe.

I don't know, because when I drink, I'm just funny, So I don't know. When I drink, I'm kind of an asshole, but I'm I'm kind.

Of violent, but you know, I mean, I was like, how was that a change?

Yeah? I was like, that's exactly like I'm an asshole in general.

So that's my question.

Consistently an asshole, consistently an asshole, and I consistently don't mind if people call me one, so at least I can take accountability for my assho That's my question. Is there really a huge change or if all least said something to him that pissed him off or I feel like made him feel less than would he lash out in some way Virgie.

You're a drink and not probably. I mean he seems like he would. He's got an ego.

Yeah, so that's I don't know, but either way, now he's sober again allegedly for the time being. Then we see Shorts and Joe at his apartment. Joe we never got to see last season, although she came up in conversation a lot because she used to be friends with Christian Duty.

And Katie like all of it. They were all pals.

But allegedly he was hooking up with Joe and then they moved in together. After seeing Joe cut his hair. I'm fine with never seeing Joe again. I don't need Okay, here's the question.

Can you have a whirlwind romance with someone and then just be friends afterwards? I just don't see how that happens. How do you be in love with someone and sleep in the same bed with them and have sex with them and then you're just like.

Oh, now we're just friends. How that happen? Because I think the only way that happens is if one person is completely done and the other one's still in love with the person. Right, So my guess is Shorts no longer's into Joe, and Joe's like, all right, I'll just be here and to you know, make you change your mind and you or you're no longer sober curious and you come home tipsy one night and you want to get it in. Like I feel like Joe's just waiting around.

One another at all exactly. That's why it doesn't make sense to me. I just don't get it. Can you think of an ex boyfriend that you were like madly in love with and then now could you be friends with them.

After high school?

No?

Like my high school boyfriend, we see each other out and when we go home and there's not.

There's no like tension.

Yeah. Would you let him cut your hair?

Absolutely not?

No. Now would you let him like shave your legs?

No?

But like my ex husband, I was married before my ex husband. When I first got with Edwin, we were all friends and then once once Matt got serious with his next girlfriend, she didn't like it and she was like, y'all can't be friends anymore that Bean said we didn't live together.

Still, yeah, he was like, he wasn't hanging out at your house cutting your hair.

Alone like we would. We'd all be like, oh, do you want to go to the salts I gets? Or do you want to do this? Do you want to get that? But it was because I really was done and so I could do it. But I don't know necessarily indifference. I was adding difference, yes, but I think you know whatever. But between Sandoval's one lightning bolt earring and Shortz's bare feet, the scene could not end fast enough.

I'm like this part, it's like, Sandival, now you have a podcast, like just.

Okay.

I actually I actually felt as if that was I don't know.

I thought he had a point there.

They did because they have a public audience and because they can't get out the information in a widespread way. I do feel like there is an element of whatever their feelings are whatever they're saying. I felt like it was a valid point on his behalf, but also slightly hypocritical because clearly he has a podcast and he can say whatever he wants too, so they could make the

But then Schwortz didn't make a good point.

He said, I'm nervous about Sandoval's behavior in tallahope, but he's optimistic the trip will lead to doors to forgiveness. I'm not super optimistic about that, like.

I know me neither, but I do he does have a point, though, I mean, Sandoval does need to go on this trip, and he needs to tuck his tail between his legs, and he needs to stop arguing with people, you know, and stop pointing fingers. He needs to be like, I'm just up, I'm sorry. Can we move on?

What can we do to a question? Do we really think Sandoval cares about being friends with any of these people or he just cares about maintaining his position on the television show. Once we figure that out, I'll be able to compartmentalize this a little better. I don't know.

He and Sheena were always close. What do you think do you think he wants to repair that relationship? Like, do you think he's personally invested in that relationship? I mean he's just a show thing.

I don't know. I mean I think he when he came on to Teas in a pod and then we did his podcast, we all like were in the same car, and he definitely like, you can tell the seconds.

I hate to use this sword, but like triggered.

You can tell when something bothers him because he's like has an immediate, like big reaction. But in his New York Times article that just came out, he said, I'm not a pop culture historian, really, but I witnessed the OJ Simpson thing and George Floyd and with all these things, which is really weird to compare this to. But what do you think, in a weird way, it's a little bit the same.

Okay, that makes no sense.

He went from OJ Simpson, which happened in nineteen ninety four, to George Floyd, which was a couple of years ago, and then he's comparing himself to both of those men. Once a murderer. The other was a victim. So which is he? Is he the murderer or the victim?

I don't know, but this is just things that he said. But he should probably stop talking that he should have stopped talking, start apologizing, and then let this move on to somebody else's drama.

I feel like he's the ding dong that keeps prolonging it because he keeps saying stupid things.

Because he wants to listen. And I'm a person that loves to be right.

We know this, but I think he so badly wants people to see his side.

He can't get out of his own damn way. Well, that's stupid.

He needs someone in his ear saying you need to just shut up and stop making comparisons and try to stop trying to act like the viction.

What's told him that, well, over Shorts.

Yeah, he needs someone, someone that he actually respects and would listen to.

Is there a person out there that could do that, Well, Lisa vander Pump tried, but that didn't work either.

Oh, I guess there's no one. So he's clearly.

Is that, And maybe he is a narcissist. He's clinically a narcissist. I guess allegedly. I feel like if I just put allegedly on there, then I don't get myself in trouble.

That's that's the way we go. But then we end the episode. I mean, well, they're all going to Tahoe. That should be a real except for Katie and Arianna. They have a business to open, still waiting for my sandwich. And then James thinks that he's going to talk to Lisa about sand of all going to vander Pump Dogs, but she has a surprise for him. And then it's that she rescued Graham, the dog that James does to

I don't even understand what's going on. So Rachel took the dog when she left.

When they broke up. She took the dog last season or the season before, whatever it was. James would get like visitation park visits with the dog.

Okay, so Rachel would be the dog. So then Rachel goes to therapy in Arizona.

The therapy rehab place, but also allegedly the dog was starting to act out. The dog allegedly kept biting people, and then the dog bit her mom, and then the mom gave him up. And then because why wouldn't my mom reach out to James though, because James allegedly did terrible things to his daughter, her daughter, so she.

Doesn't want the dog to go back to him.

Correct, So a foster family and a rescue a dog rescues a better place.

I don't know.

I just I generally like dogs better than people, So I was more offended by this whole dog situation than anyone else treating each other badly.

I decide you badly for the dog. Well, I can say this from personal experience. Lisa creating a storyline with an abandoned dog feels vaguely familiar to me.

So you think Lisa reached out said bring the dog to vander Pump. So it looks like I rescued the dog and then called James to come and get the dog.

I'm sure that this was not. Whether the dog was chipped and they found out where it was originally, I don't know, but I am sure there was multiple hands in this jar figuring it out. And how to pull on James's heartstrings and get him to start opening up. But Lisa says that she got a call that this dog had been in a foster home for two months, but he had bitten a few people and so he's being given up to a shelter. Lisa rescued him because

Oh my gosh.

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