Legally Brunette: Gabby Petito

Hi, everyone, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll be your host Emily Simpson with my co host Shane Simpson, and today we just want to do first some quick updates. Let's just talk about Menendez quickly, because some things have

Why now, you know, he's just, oh, this is popular, I could do this on my podcast.

So basically, he's ordering the Pearl Board to do to investigate whether the brothers would pose an unreasonable risks to the public if they were released from prison. So what they're going to do is they'll do this investigation, they'll come up with a report, and they're going to issue the report to Newsom but also to the judge and the court and the DA Hawkman. But I would assume that report is not going to come out until after March twentieth. So my guess would be that these hearings

Pr Oh yeah, it totally is.

This is popular, I'll talk about it. I mean, let's be honest. His image wasn't looking great after the fires. A lot of people were calling for his resignation and saying he didn't handle that well. Now he has a new podcast. His first episode of his podcast, he talks about how he's going to possibly get involved in the Menindaz case. Also, I know the DA hawkman came forward and said that he what he did was he made an informal response to their habeas petition. Now, the habeas

Or do you think I don't know how it works where she is. But this is not her first UI, correct, No, it's thing. It's important to know the history to know if the sentencing is valid or not.

It is my understanding that this is her fourth Now I believe that there's been long periods of time maybe between the first second, and.

It doesn't matter. But to me it doesn't.

Matter, no, I know. But also she was fined twenty nine hundred dollars to go along with her her sentence.

If you don't want learn your lesson because of a two year sentence, maybe this twenty nine hundred dollars fine will teach you something. Probably costs tens of thousands of dollars of court time and everything, and all sudden they're like, oh, pay two thousand dollars.

I mean the street sign she hit probably costs twenty nine hundred dollars. So Karen was found guilty of DUI negligent driving, failure to control speed to avoid a collision, and failure to know to fight her change of address. She won't be allowed to drive for a year after she's released, and if she violates probation, Hugre will be sent back to jail to serve the year of the suspended time. This is Karen Huger's fourth d U.

I should take people's license away. Sorry, I mean once maybe after that, it's like, take the license away. You're no good, you're a minister society.

You're as sorry you are.

She is she's gonna kill someone? Well she, I mean why why is now? Is she gonna be like, oh, I should start being responsible?

Well, she's lucky she didn't kill someone after four UI, so you got really lucky that someone was not injured.

Or it's ridiculous. Remember my daughter, her fifth grade teacher, mister Clark, and when she got him, she was thrilled killed by a drunk driver mid school year.

I remember that.

And it was not the drunk driver's first killing as a result of drunk driving.

Oh you mean not only first offense, but they had that someone?

Yes, yes, wow, not okay, anyway.

All right, let's move on. This is just an interesting story that's popped up in the media. I'm sure everyone's been.

Thinking about it.

And obsessing over it. But it is the death of Gene Hackman. And I will tell you I find this really interesting. Luke, my son, our son. I forgot our son, our son wanted to watch he had watched this before was Shane, but he wanted to watch the Poseidoniden.

Adventure is an excellent movie, but not like the recent.

He wanted to watch the nineteen seventy two versions.

The only good one the one with Kurt Russell, though, okay, nobody So.

Luke and I watched this the day before, and while we were watching it, I remember thinking to myself, is Gene Hackman s so?

You asked me, and I told you. I said, well, he's ninety four. Last year a photo popped up of him being ninety four or he did not look healthy at all. I said, I don't know he's gonna make it to ninety five. And then I didn't know you could put a curse on people. Apparently you're a.

Witch, which thank you for telling our children that. Because I brought up Gene Hackman two days. I was inquiring about his health and whether he was still alive, and then the story broke forty eight hours later that Gene Hackman and his wife and a dog were found dead.

I love Gene Hackman, you do, Yeah, I do. I think he's a great actor. That's partly why Pside Adventure is really good. I know people aren't here for a movie Becauseiden Venture has a great story.

Okay. Gene Hackman and his wife, along with their dog, were found dead this week and circumstances officials have called suspicious enough to warrant a thorough investigation. So Hackman and his wife's bodies were discovered by maintenance workers at their home just before two pm. And that was the last Wednesday,

Wow, So they are assuming just basically what date was he found Well, he.

Was found dead February twenty.

Six, so that would put him at nine days.

Yeah, the last activity that was recorded on his pacemaker was February seventeenth, so they're assuming that that was most likely when they died. So a caller told nine to one one that they could see two unconscious people through a window but could not enter the home. According to the call the cause of death of Hackman, who was ninety five and his wife, Betsy, was sixty three, are not known at this time, but I did read that they have ruled out carbon monoxide or any type of natural.

Gas hold out.

That's what I read on autopsy. I believe so because the daughters, so Gene Hackman has daughters, had said in an interview that maybe it was carbon monoxide, and then I read that had been ruled out.

But they said that as a just a reasonable assumption based on them being found dead on the floor.

And I guess how the investigation right. So the couple's bodies were found in separate rooms and their secluded home. This is in Santa Fe. So Jeene Hackman was found in at.

Went if we died in our sleep, yeah, that's how. Shane was on the couch with the TV on and Emily had the phone on her face, laying in bed, dummy worms.

Yeah, and the dogs were everywhere. So they were found in separate rooms. Gene Hackman was found in a mudroom and they are assuming that he possibly fell because he had his cane and like some sunglasses lying next to him, so it looks like maybe he took a fall were next to them. But what is strange is his wife was found in a bathroom with scattered pills. Now, also there were three dogs in the residence and one dog was found in a closet inside a crate.

I read that a lot of reports said, all, there's three dogs.

There's three dogs.

One was found dead inside a crate, so likely lacking food and water. That would be my thought seven days based on what we're reading. And then there were two other dogs found in the residents that were alive and not in a crate or a closet, right.

But I did read somewhere that one was in the bathroom, but I don't know if he was locked in the bathroom or they just found him wandering and he ended up.

It would make more sense now that one's in a crate, passed away because unfortunately neglected with food and water, and the others maybe were able to kind of fin for themselves, and you know, right, they.

Maybe they dug through the trash or eat something in.

A right, or maybe there's plenty of dog food out, you know right.

So, Betsy, this is why her body showed obvious signs of death, body decomposition, bloating in her face, and mummification in both hands and feet. Hackman's body was then found on the ground near the kitchen. This is in the mudroom in a similar condition, So the sheriff later said there was no indication that either of them had suffered injuries from a fall. So what is your thoughts? There's

I thought it was odd when the daughters said that they had not spoken to him for a few months. They didn't say it like it was a bad thing. They said it like just as a matter of fact, like, oh, we haven't spoken to her dad in a few I'm like, yeah'm spilling your dad in a few months, especially when your dad's gene Hackney. Okay, but I have a few months my dad and a few months Okay, but yeah, but that's a different scenario.

But how do you know it's a different scenario.

I don't know. Well, I don't know because I'll tell you because the daughters didn't say well, certainly I didn't read everything, but assuming there was I just find not talking to your parents after a few months when they're ninety. That old is a little odd. Now, if there was distance and they just had no close relationship, then okay, then that makes sense.

Okay, Well here's my thoughts as someone who is not very close with my dad and has a stepmom. My sister and I have always had a lack of communication with my dad because my stepmom controls. We call her the gatekeeper. And when I was reading this about Gene Hackman, I kind of felt like it was the same scenario because it said Hackman did not even have a phone or an email address, and his friends had to go

Yeah, but I think your dad doesn't want doesn't care for technology.

I don't think it's just that I think he doesn't care for technology because he's.

Told okay, well, you know, being ninety five, maybe he just never really I heard from read what I read, which doesn't mean it's accurate that she kept him out of the spotlight, she kept him away from fans this and that. Now, maybe he wanted that initially, she took it too far. I don't know, but if she is this gatekeeper, then him and dying and he wasn't a small guy. If he's if he fell and got hurt and she couldn't care for him, and maybe she tried to care for him and set herself couldn't and it

Wait, but why wouldn't she want people to know that she was the wife? I don't know.

It was like she was hiding from paparazzi or public.

Oh so she dressed up as a nurse in order to visit him.

Saying what I read was accurate.

Yes, Well I don't know. So anyway, what are your thoughts on this? Here's my question is she's in her sixties. She's thirty something year younger than him, So the chances of her dying from a natural caused the same that he died doesn't make sense. So that's where the suspicion comes in. Did she take pills because she couldn't live without him.

Is there some outside the time will certainly tell?

Okay, but we're going to keep up with the story because Shane, I did not know Shane had such a deep love.

So like The Heist is a really good movie, the French Connection, he plays Popeye Doyle, really good car chasing there, he's you know, he's great. I think his Lex Luthor role was was terrible.

Well, I'm glad that you you do give him credit words due? Okay, So let's move on to the stream measures with you.

You what's his name? You great?

Okay, good, thank you?

It was really good.

We are now legally Brunette and we do movie reviews at the same time. Let's move on to the murder of Gabby Patito. Now, I when this case came out, did you follow it at all?

Absolutely? You did, just just like daily what was on the news.

Okay, I did not. I know, I didn't. I remember briefly hearing things about it, but I really didn't know a lot of details about it. I didn't know what happened. I didn't even know. I didn't know a lot about it. But I did watch the Netflix special, which is on Netflix right now.

Now I know everything.

There's no, no, But I did watch the Netflix series and I was so invested in it that I then went outside and I googled more things, I did more research, I read more things. So anyway, guys, I'm excited. We're going to talk about Gabby Patito today. So if you haven't seen the Netflix special, I would say to watch it.

It's three episodes.

It's three episodes. They also, which is interesting, they took her voice and then made an AI recreation of her voice to read her journal entries, so that's her speaking, but not her organic they pull out right, So let's just do a little background about the facts of this case so we can all just be on the same page, and then we're going to go through like a little time.

So there's Gabby, who's the girl, and then the boyfriend fiance is Brian Laundry.

Brian So Gabrielle Venora Patito entered the world March nineteenth of nineteen ninety nine. Tragically, on August twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, her life was cut short at the young age of twenty two. She was on a cross country road trip with our fiance, Brian Laundry, and they were visiting national Parks when he strangled her to death. This devastating event highlights the horrific reality that some individuals can become perpetrators of violence against those that they really should

That I think that that and not a conclusive like timeline of what happened and how he killed her, and then coupled with lots of video and audio during this whole time right for us to see.

Let's start. So in July second and twenty twenty one, Gabby Patito and her friend and say Brian embark on a form of trip traveling across the United States and their camper van. Now the van was purchased by Gabby and the van is in Gabby's name, which I think is important. Gabby wanted to be a vlogger and she wanted to make a YouTube channel. Gabby's friends and families say that this was something she wanted to make a career out of, but Brian did not seem to support it.

Well, it was to fix up the van.

Yeah, well they had to should buy the van. They had to fix up the van, and I have for transit some spending money for this trip.

So well, and they wanted to convert it because it was just a little delivery van, so they had to convert it a little bit right to commentate what they wanted and probably get video equipment right. And her little sign off to people was have a taco tastic day.

Yes, have a taco tastic day. All right. So they're out and about, they're going to national parks. She's trying to document it. I can tell she's frustrated because he doesn't Brian the fiance doesn't seem to be helping her with any of the technology or editing part that seems to be all on her shoulders. Then on August twelfth, this is a very.

Well it's evidenced by when you watch the documentary and it shows unedited videos, so them trying to capture videos, video content, and you could tell it's him just kind of shrugging it off or not really engaging, and she's trying to figure it out, like she's not a natural. She was kind of trying to egg him on to help her, and he was kind of brushing it off.

Yeah, you could tell.

So you wonder if he just didn't want to be on video.

Well, that was something that I think someone said in an interview, one of her friends, possibly I think it was Rose, said maybe he was reluctant or has to be on this video because he knows what he's like. I can't always.

Control he comes up. Might actually I don't the camera.

To be rolling exactly. So August twelfth, at twenty twenty one is a very important date in the Gabby Patito case. This is the day when they are going through Moab and Shane and I have been to Moab just interesting fun fact there. But bodycam footage from police officer Eric Pratt shows Brian and Gabby's van being pulled over on the side of the road in Moab City, Utah. Earlier that day, officers had received a call from someone reporting that the caller had witnessed a male slapping a female

I had injury. I saw the photo that she took of herself. That injury in that video, not that I could see clearly there was no injury. But I couldn't see whether there was or was an injury, So I don't know if they knew offhand, like maybe it didn't show remember when my mom got in an accident.

No, because he referenced it. He says, you have something on your eye, and it looks like you have a fresh mark on your So this is the photo from her camera roll of her eye, and this is the day that she was pulled over. She has the same thing on.

It looks like she was slapped around.

It looks like she was hit and slapped in the face. On her She's got a mark on her forehead, a mark on her cheek, a mark on her cross, her nose, the bridge of her nose. Her eye is red, it's got a little bit of blood and scratching. He also makes a reference to her having a new fresh mark on her arm. Now I do know that Brian has marks on his face. He's got some scratches. I found him Brian, And maybe this is just because I already have a preconceived notion of who this man is because

She's or to diffuse it.

Right, And it worries me that what happened in this scenario is they separate them, they put her in a car, and then she's hysterical. She says she has OCD, she says she has anxiety. She's definitely been hit in the face.

So the way I was.

Understanding the car position was I felt as if one said, hey, we don't really have discretion when it comes to domestic abuse. In this type of situation, someone needs to be arrested. But then I do know that they pulled the female officer in, so I felt as if they thought that they should arrest someone, whether it was Brian or Gabby, because they do make clear that they think she's the aggressor. But your opinion is.

They just well, I think they had an officer come in, and I remember on video one of the officers was saying something the effect of like like, hey, if you want to if you think we're in a situation this is a scenario where someone needs to be arrested, I'll support you. If you think this is a situation where it doesn't meet the checklist of having to arrest someone, I'll support that too. So it was like, whatever you

Okay, what do you think about not making an arrest? Because I have read several articles I have read you know, we'll talk about it in a little bit. But Gabby Petito, those parents have gone on to sue the Moab City Police Department for the way they handled the situation on this day. Do you think that if a rest was made, whether it was Gabby or whether it was Brian, that it could have had a different outcome. There could have been a they could have and.

We'll never know. But they kept getting back together. They kept getting back together because remember what happened is so they ended up deciding to separate the two for like a cooling off period, and they got him like a hotel or motel and escorted him there and they gave her the camper, probably because it was in her name, and gave it to her and to give her the mobility to drive home or go wherever she wanted. And they advised them heavily do not contact each other tonight,

Don't think making an arrest would have made much of a difference.

I don't know, but that, but that doesn't mean they I mean, if they should have arrested, they should have arrested I think.

Maybe possibly arresting Gabby because they did claim that she was the aggressor in this situation based upon her saying yeah.

I I well what right? Yeah?

But I feel like if she were arrested and she was actually detained and then she had to make a phone call, even though I do know she called her mom, but if she had to call her mom and call her parents and say I was arrested, I need your help, I have to hire an attorney, you need to come here, that then maybe her parents.

Would have so it would have been elevated to a point where maybe they would would have stepped in. Yeah.

Yeah, And that's where I think that possibly there could have been a different outcome, is if Gabby was that was arrested in this situation. Also, I was confused, and I don't know if anybody else thought this when they were watching it, but it did bother me that she was hysterical in the car. She said she had OCDS, she said she was dealing with severe anxiety. But then they put her in a vehicle to drive away and

Maybe they could have escorted her.

I just I didn't like that part. Also, let me just say one more thing when it comes to the parents, and I don't know this might be an unpopular opinion.

No, you wouldn't.

Yes, I would.

I'd be telling me too. Okay, but so on, why did I get out there right now? That's probably true, we would.

Have, But I'm telling you there is no way that I would have hung up the phone and then been like, well, I hope.

You proceed along fingers crossed.

I hope you guys get along the next day. I just I don't know in what world me as well.

We also don't know what conversation yet. Maybe Gabby really talked her mom into like it's fine, Maybe she calmed down. When we don't know, Let me ask one.

More question, because when Shane and I were watching this together, when it first showed Gabby getting the van ready and getting in the van to go with Brian on this cross country trip across the United States, he asked, Shane said to me, how old is she? And I said, she's twenty two, And he said, would you let your daughter go on a cross country trip in a van with her boyfriend? And I said, well, I don't know. That's an interesting question because one, she's twenty two, so

Not not someone definitely not with a killer, but definitely not with him where it didn't seem like her parents had a close relationship with him, where they knew him and they were familiar with him and they had a history together. So it was kind of like, oh, my new boyfriend and I were going to go travel to

Okay, So here's the difference is what I'm picking up from you, Because Shane does have a twenty three year old daughter and she was recently married, so you're saying, if Shelby went to you almost twenty two and you didn't really know Evan, that's her her husband's husband, you would advise her not to go.

I would be worried about her going. I'd certainly ask a lot of questions and probably discourage her from going. But if it was today that she was going to do that, my questions would be more about like is it a smart thing financially? Are you going to be sustainable? Are you going to fall behind in whatever your plant? Like those things, not like her safety with her husband because we've known him for years now. He's been nothing

Okay, So, as I stated a little bit earlier, so the potitos end up filing a lawsuit against the City of Moab for the way they handled that. So they didn't investigate a report. And I thought this was interesting because they did feature an interview with Officer Pratt, who was one of the officers that was there and says, I'm desperately eft over that she got killed. I really am, he said, I would have done anything to stop it if I would have known that that was coming.

If if anyone knew, they would have stopped.

If I would have known Laundry that Brian was going to murder her, I would have taken vacation to follow them because I care about people to the point where he was going to murder her, and I would have intervened and citizens arrested him. In Wyoming, I would have taken my own time. I would have missed my family

But as when you watched it, do you think the police officers made the wrong choice, not not knowing the outcome, just just watching everything as if you were there, do you think police officers should have done something further to separate them?

I do, because to me, she looked like a frail, scared, timid young girl that weighs one hundred pounds, and I thought he was creepy, even not knowing, even if you take out the circumstances of knowing what happens in the future, then I felt like she looked like she was in danger.

Why did the police? Why do you think the police did not do anything?

Because I think she kept saying that he was her person. She didn't want to be separated. They were a team. She kept calling them a team, and I think these cops thought, let's just separate them and then they'll be fine.

The next day, I wondered when I was watching it, if because they weren't residents of Moab, and I wondered if it was just like these people are coming through, because it's something like five thousand people live in Moab, but there's like multi like three to four million visitors a year during peak seasons, So you'll wonder if they're kind of like, let's just separate them and get them

I'm sure that's probably true too, But.

Does that make it right wrong? I don't know. All right, So this, I like how I make a pretty deep profound I theorize something and you're like yeah. Yeah, Well, because you.

Made your profound statement and now the listeners can agree with you or not. It's not up for me, it's up to them. So I just want to go on with a little bit more of that. However, mister Radcliffe suggested that the traffic stop should have ended with Potito's arrests because she admitted to hitting laundry. I still kind of disagree with that, but that's okay. Based on the information provided in this specific incident, Brian would be the victim, with Gabby being the suspect. I do not find that

The United States. One video.

One out of all of that, Okay, it.

Definitely was not supportive. And what did he want? Then? What do you think We're just going to go on a road trip, Like she says, let's go on a road trip and document it and try to build some type of channel and following. And he's just like okay, and then he has no interest in doing that party this spants to go on the camping part. Like, what was his plan?

I think his plan. I think he was just obsessed with Gabby and his plan was just to be with Gaby, isolated with her to I think he was fine isolating her. I think he you know, earlier and the.

Darted day money did support themselves.

I don't think they needed a lot of money. I think they ate in the vase and I think they lived. They took showers whatever those public shower places the police were talking about where he kept telling her over and over she could get a hot shower for four.

He kept saying that. I was like, Okay, good for your wife.

I know that the police officer kept.

Telling you beat your wife she shower. Was like, you can't say that. I don't know what he was saying. He just kept saying, when my wife gets frazzled, she takes a hot shower.

Well, I'm sure his wife loves that. They keep showing that video over. He talks about how his wife suffers because.

It kind of looked like he sends his wife to those truck stops for a Showery, you need to cool off, Yeah, go to here. It's four bucks. Go ahead, a shower.

Okay. So the video there, their first and only video that they posted, received five hundred views when it was initially posted, but it has now received over ten million. And I don't even know. Maybe it's even more than ten million. Now, I'm not sure how recent that is. All right, that was August nineteenth. Now we move on to August twenty sixth of twenty twenty one. Gabby shares her final Instagram post. It was wishing everyone a happy

This is the.

Assumed date of Gabby's murder. However, police cannot be certain because her body was not found right away. This is also the last footage of Gabby that has ever been captured. There is CCTV video of her and Brian in a whole food store.

You can see the video of.

Them walking down the aisle shopping together, and that's the last known time that anyone saw her.

Alive August twelve. They get pulled over by the MOAB troopers August nineteenth, so one week later they post their first and only video, and then another week later, August twenty six, she heard her final Instagram post, and then and then the following day is the assumed date of murder.

Okay, Now, also, I know you didn't get this far, but Gabby called an ex boyfriend.

Right, Oh yeah, I saw, I did see, I did watch. Okay, Well, the first text she sent him was I'm sure I'm the last person you want to hear from, or I'm sure you're the I'm the last person you think you'd hear from. Something that matter of fact, meaning they have not communicated and it wasn't normal for her to reach out to him. She reached out to him, and he felt there was a reason, like it was a cry for help.

So when Gabby was texting with this ex boyfriend, she did make it clear. I believe that she wanted to break up with Brian, and so I think she was reaching out to the ex boyfriend for some kind of help or guidance or you know, sometimes when you're just like I'm done, but I'm stuck something.

Should want her mom to judge her, say, see, he was not good for you, or maybe her mom wasn't really her parents weren't so quick to come out and save her the way she wanted it. So she called her former boyfriend and was like, I need help. I don't know, I don't know.

But so she calls him and he doesn't answer. He says in an interview that he was at work so he couldn't answer, and then that was the last time he heard from her. Because we assume she was murdered shortly after.

That now, and she left no message right so she could have a lot could have been told had that phone call been picked up.

So August twenty seventh was the last time Gabby was seen on any footage, so we know that she was alive on August twenty seventh. On August twenty ninth, twenty twenty one, Brian called his parents on this day and said, quote, Gabby is gone. He later asked his father to arrange an attorney for him. Following this, the father.

Coust, well, how do we know these phone calls exist? Because well, they.

End up getting the phone records and they can see that he called his parents in the habit.

They can't see the content, So how do we know the content?

Because I believe that the father came forward later and said that that was what was.

I just wanted to make sure it was accurate, okay.

So following this, Christopher Laundry, who is the dad, claimed that quote he had no idea what to think about what had happened to Gabby. He just asked me to get a lawyer, and I couldn't get any more information from him. End quote. Speaking about the day Brian called them, ROBERTA. Laundry, who is the mother, told the court his voice was very upset and I didn't know why. I didn't want to push him, so we just said goodbye. When I got off the phone, I told Chris, that's the dad,

I'm guessing if I don't remember, but I think, yeah, things started a surface and the next thing you know, he disappears and he dies, probably because he realized, how am I going to explain that I used your credit card? How am I going to explain this? How am I going to explain that? And I used your phone? Trying to cover up her death?

Right But September one, twenty twenty one, Brian arrives back at the home of his parents, Chris and Roberta. And this is in Florida. So he shows up September first, in Florida. He shows up alone, though he was in his and Gabby's van. While he's in Florida, Brian and his parents move between the family home and a local area for a camping trip.

Now when he shows up, that's odd. I remember that. Now, that is odd. They went camping with him?

Yeah, I know.

Well, what's odd is if you're almost like, it's not their first rodeo, Oh, let's go camping.

Well, what's odd is your son is on a road trip with his girlfriend and then he shows up back in Florida driving her van that's registered in her name, and she's nowhere to be found, and then you're just going to go camping and continue to live life like nothing happened and nobody would know how.

Before we have our initial consultation with my new criminal attorney, let's go camping. They went out where there was no where, They're off the grid, away from everyone, and then they could talk in private.

That's yeah, I didn't think about that, but probably so on September fifth. Now, remember he arrives back in Florida on September first, alone September fifth, His sister, Cassie says this date is the last time she saw her brother or was able to contact him. She also claims her parents stopped responding to her as the investigation is playing out, so he's disappeared, the sister doesn't know where he is, and the parents are also not responding to the sister.

This was so.

Frustrating for me. Gabby's mom calls and makes a missing person report about Gabby, saying they haven't heard from her since it would have been the twenty seventh, right, because that was the last day anybody heard from her or saw her on video. Here we are September eleventh, so you're talking two weeks. At this point, the police show up at Brian's house at his parents' house. Gabby is not there. The van is there, Yeah, the van is

He clearly drew it back, unless he's yeah, unless he's arguing that she drove it back. He flew back. But then be like, oh, yeah, we'll show us your flight.

But then when the police go to the door and request to speak to Brian. The dad comes out, refuses to speak, refuses to answer quoes, rssians, and hands them the business card of their lawyer.

If my kid murdered his girlfriend, I'd be driving them down to the police station.

Yeah, you know I am.

That doesn't mean I would take reasonable precautions. Okay, you know you have your rights high lowre. But it'd be like, sorry, dude, we're not going camping. We're going to go to the police.

You're not going to help bury the body. You're not going to hinder the investigation. And you're not going to allow this mother who has no idea where her daughter is continue to guess and not know where her daughter is.

No, apparently you would, well you'd be like, oh, lukie, come to bed with mama.

I mean, I have boys, and that.

Doesn't mean i'd be okay with it, but that's what you got to do.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not.

I mean it would be tough. I had I would be I would feel awful, but it would be like, sorry.

Dude, all right, this is the question now. So then by September seventeen, twenty twenty one, Brian's family reports him missing. They haven't seen him in three days and suspect that he's in the Carlton Reserve in Sara Sarasota County in Florida. They claim they did not alert police about it sooner, as they thought Brian was going on a camping trip to get away from all of the chaos. Lots of questions here. First of all, the night that the police

They should have because the car is in her name, so that it's like my daughter's missing for two weeks. She was with that guy. He doesn't know where she is or he's not talking, and he has her car.

But I've also read and thought about that they don't want to arrest too early in an investigation.

Here's what I'm thinking, I'm thinking the Potito parents did not, did not. We're not aggressive enough in saying our daughter is missing, something's wrong, just as they weren't very protective of her when she wanted to just go across the country with some new guys.

So you're saying you're not You're not saying they're bad. Parents are not blaming their parents, but you're saying they could have been more.

I would have been like, she's been gone for two weeks if I knew, if assuming they knew all these facts, she's been gone for two weeks. I have not heard from her. She called me crying once when the police pulled her over. There's been some scuffling between the two of them, and she's he came back without her and he has her car, and I am fearful. I needed, I needed. We need to look into this.

What would you have done differently? Because she called the police and she she reported her missing in Florida, to where his parents live. So I'm saying, if you don't know where they are on their road trip, because you haven't heard from her for two weeks, where are you physically going to go?

I don't know. I don't know but you would have had.

Life three sixty on her. I would have done Yeah, yeah, we have life three sixty on Annabel. I would unless she but he took her phone. How do you can't like?

I don't know, but I would not have been sleeping normal and going back to work the next day and all this. I would have been trying to figure it out.

Well, here is my problem with the way the police handled it. When Brian ends up back on Florida, we don't know where the body is, we don't know where Gabby is. Brian was the key to finding Gabby Petito, and they did not have a trail on him. They were not watching him. He disappeared from the police and the police had no idea where he was. We are lucky that someone else ended up finding the body, But what if someone didn't find the body outside of Brian.

He knows everything. He's the only one that.

Knows, the only one that knows, and the police lost him. They didn't know where he was, and it took his parents to go to this camping site, which, by the way, is also suspicious that police were apparently looking for him for days and days and days in this campsite and then his parents show up and they literally like walk to where he is. They're like, oh, there he is with his backpack and you know, his camping things. They found him like that, Yeah, I.

Don't know that family's dirty.

Let's back up a little bit. Let's go through this timeline. September seventeenth is when Brian's family reports him missing. They haven't seen him in three days. They suspect that he's camping. September nineteenth is when Gabby's body is found near Grand Titan National Park in Wyoming. After speaking with her family and having her identified, the news was made public, So her body is found on September nineteenth. Now, remember he

Yeah, they lost their their hot lead. They did, and that a person of interest exactly. So September twenty first, the coroner rules her cause of death as homicide. So now it's turned into a murder investigation. They should have put like a tracker on his car. That's what they did, like Scott Peterson that, oh you're very suspicious, Scott Peterson, right, and they put a tracker on his car.

I'm telling you. If they didn't want to take him into custody because they didn't feel like they had enough evidence for a murder investigation, I get that. I understand that you want to make sure when you arrest him that you have all your docks in a row because you don't want him to get out. However, they don't know where he is. They're not tracking him, they don't have someone following him. They're not watching the house. This guy shows up in Florida without his girlfriend and he disappears.

Reading and this is found on him.

I believe so. The letter reads, I just want you to remember I will always love you, and I know you will always love me.

You are my boy.

Nothing can make me stop loving you. Nothing will or could ever divide us. No matter what we do, or where we go, or what we say, we will always love each other. If you're in jail, I will bake a cake with a file in it. If you need to dispose of a body, I will show up with the shovel and garbage bags. If you fly to the moon, I will be watching the skies for your re entry. If you say you hate my guts, I will get

It's a shady family.

That is a shady family.

Would not I would not recommend dating anyone in that family. I have a question his parents found his body.

His parents found his body.

Yeah, they knew where he was. They were in communication with them. Did they search his phones after they found his body or anything like that that we know of?

You know what I always thought, because I did think of that myself. I thought maybe they found that the police found Brian's phone when they found him dead, because they did find a notebook with Brian that happened that had like his handwritten journal entries in it. So I just want to read a few passages from his notebook that was found with his belongings after he committed suicide. I'm sorry to everyone this will affect. Gabby was the love of my life and I know adored by many.

Yeah, he's going to rot in hell.

Well, so what happens after this Gabby.

Petti no pain before, like after all your surgeries and stuff, and you're miserable, and I never once thought, oh, I'll strangle you and put you out of your misery. No, thank you for that.

I appreciate it. I mean I did have a hip replacement, and I will tell you the pain that I was in before my hip replacement was the most severe pain I have ever been in. And I'm thankful to you for not ending.

No, I will not strangle you as a result.

I as I moaned and gasped and pain at night, because I did do that for a long time.

Yeah, I mean, are you buying anything he wrote there?

No?

This, I mean you know, he strangled her. She gasped for air, she begged it to stop at all those things he said. But it's because he was killing her.

I think it had to do with jealousy. I think he probably saw her phone, saw that she had texted the ex boyfriend, saw that she called the ex boyfriend. I think he went into a jealous rage because he knew that she was probably trying to get away from him.

Oh yeah, is he out? Yeah, because she might have been saying I'm going to break up with you. And things like that, and then he sees the phone. It's the ex boyfriend.

Yeah, So Gabby Patito's family appealed to Utah judge's decision dismissing their wrongful death lawsuit against the MOA Police Department. We talked about this earlier. The family is seeking to change a state law that limits wrongful death claims against the government agencies. The family hopes to change the law to prevent future victims of domestic violence from going without justice. So where it's at now is they are appealing to the Utah Supreme Court. So we'll see if the Utah

Issue with really all that can happen the best the outcome is the police department learns something, they do an internal review, and they do something to make it better for nixt time. That's that's all you can do, right And then.

In twenty twenty two, the Petito and Schmidt family Potito is his family, Schmidt is the mom, settled a wrongful death lawsuit against Brian's parents for three million. And then in twenty twenty four, the Potito family settled another case, a ledging that the laundries had inflicted emotional distress, and I think that's the undisclosed amount. I don't know how much that was, but they settled that. So that's where

But then what happens when the scared person in this relationship is saying no, no, they didn't, No, no they didn't, everything's fine.

Well, I don't know, you know, I don't know. I don't know.

The kind of asked her questions and she just made it like he was the love of her life and they're a team and I'm sorry I acted out and I hit him and that's why he was driving like that.

Well, you know, maybe the fact that it's twelve questions, which is a lot of questions, maybe that the point is to build a rapport. Yeah, and if you're asking twelve mandatory questions, that it's a long enough conversation that maybe that person calms down.

And maybe the police are forced to kind of, you know, basically these twelve questions to dig deeper.

And kind of not just valuate maybe the body language the answers and make a determination. I think now is it going to make a huge difference? I don't have any idea, But at least the point is is that based upon what happened to Gabby, people legislatures are saying, hey, there needs to be a better system in place so that we can protect people better. So at least that's a positive start. So anyway, all right, thank you guys