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Two Sides of FI

Jason and Erictwosidesoffi.podbean.com
Two lifelong friends document and share their personal journey as they seek to become financially independent and retire early (FIRE). One achieves his FIRE goal in 2020 during a global pandemic, inspiring the other to play catch-up. Whether you are new to the FIRE movement, already on your FIRE journey, or have retired early, there’s something here for you. Go beyond the numbers and get the personal stories as experienced by Eric and Jason.
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Episodes

Will You Run Out of Money or Time? FI Advice From a Hospice Doctor

What can conversations with the dying teach us about the secret to financial independence? In this episode, Eric + Jason are joined by Jordan "Doc G" Grumet, a hospice doctor, podcaster, blogger, and author. Topics discussed include the mirage of wealth, living meaningfully, and Jordan's experiences eight years post-FI. Irrespective of your own retirement journey, you won't want to miss our conversation. See below for links to Doc G's book as well as the show notes. Show notes: https://twosideso...

Sep 25, 202247 minEp. 46

FIRE and Holding Cash - What We’re Doing

How much cash in your portfolio is enough - or too much? In this episode, Eric + Jason discuss the idea of holding cash allocations pre- and post-retirement. Topics covered include emergency funds, the temptation to invest in a down market, bonds, and building cash reserves. Join us as we discuss this essential retirement topic. Check out the link below for the show notes, including all the content referenced in this episode. Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/cash...

Sep 11, 202250 minEp. 45

Do I Wish I’d Worked One More Year?

With all of the volatility in the market, should you delay retirement by a year? A viewer asked Jason if he would feel more secure had he worked another year or two before retiring early. In today's episode, Eric + Jason discuss that question and the merits of considering "one more year". Join us as we discuss this idea and the reasons you might consider that option, what Jason would have missed out on if he had worked longer, and the value he found in retiring when he did. Check out the link be...

Aug 28, 202226 minEp. 44

How I Plan to Retire Early on a $50K Salary

Can you retire early without a high-paying tech industry salary? In this episode, we talk with Stephen about how he plans to do just that. At 30 years old, he's earning $50k as a higher education administrator, yet he plans to retire with at least a million dollars by his early 50s. How will he do that? Join us as we discuss his plans, the role of financial discipline, why he doesn't feel he's overly frugal, and the challenges of his FIRE path. **Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/50k...

Aug 14, 202235 minEp. 43

Karsten Spoke, We Listened. Here’s What We Learned.

We're making changes. Here's what we learned and how our FIRE strategies are changing after talking to "Big ERN" Karsten Jeske, an economist, CFA, and safe withdrawal rate expert. In this episode, we review our take-homes from that conversation, and react to comments and feedback we received about the episode. If you missed the original episode, be sure to listen to Episode 40 first. Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/swr

Jul 31, 202239 minEp. 42

Don’t Let the Cost of Healthcare Break Your Early Retirement Plan

Calculating the cost of health insurance is a complicated and stressful exercise when you're retiring early. Hear Jason's experience with his first full year using the California ACA Exchange and learn how Eric arrived at his budget of $350K, his worst case scenario. We discuss how to choose a plan, ACA subsidies, differences by state, and other alternative options. If you missed our earlier healthcare episode, be sure to see the link below. Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/aca...

Jul 16, 202247 minEp. 41

What the FIRE Community Gets Wrong - Talking with Karsten Jeske

What would you do if you ran out of money in retirement? It's hard to imagine a scarier outcome, and yet many on the FIRE path may be at risk for this if they get their portfolio withdrawal rate wrong. In this episode, Eric + Jason talk with Karsten Jeske, the creator of the Early Retirement Now blog . Known by many as "Big ERN", he is an economist who is well known to the FIRE community for his extensive work in characterizing safe withdrawal rates (SWR). In this episode, we dig into Karsten's ...

Jul 03, 20221 hr 4 minEp. 40

We Each Hired a Flat Fee Financial Advisor. Was it Worth It?

Here's what we learned by hiring a financial advisor for a fixed fee of $1,000. Rather than pay a costly ongoing assets under management (AUM) fee, we wanted to test out this increasingly popular fee-for-service advisement model. Eric and Jason discuss each hired the same fee-only, advice-only advisor for $1,000 to evaluate their portfolios and answer a variety of key questions. They share how they found this advisor, what the process was like, the specific questions + answers they had, and who ...

Jun 19, 20221 hr 8 minEp. 39

Stock Market on FIRE: What We’re Doing in a Downturn

You're on a FIRE path and the markets keep falling - what do you do? In this episode, Jason + Eric revisit the topic of market downturn and candidly discuss their pre- and post-FI moods in this turbulent time. Join us to learn what they're doing and thinking about right now as Jason nears the two-year post-FI mark and Eric contemplates pushing his 2024 FI date back. Topics discussed include rebalancing, how to monitor portfolio performance, moves we are making now, and feeling down about FIRE. S...

Jun 05, 202256 minEp. 38

My New Life: Two Years After Early Retirement

Wondering what a day in the life in early retirement is like? Eric travels to California to shadow Jason and find out what his FIRE life is like nearly two years into early retirement. We learn how Jason fills his days, hear his concerns pre- and post-FI, discuss the merits of part-time "fun" jobs, and the reality of finances. Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/tryingonFI

May 22, 202237 minEp. 37

We Avoided Estate Planning. Here’s Why You Can’t Afford To (Part 2)

Don't make a common mistake that could cost your family dearly. If you don't have an estate plan, many essential decisions will be left to others, including the government. In this second installment in a two-part series, Eric + Jason continue their conversation about what they did to get their respective plans in place. Topics discussed in this episode include end of life decisions, powers of attorney, insurance, and how to get started. Don't delay further - join us now for the second episode o...

May 08, 202234 minEp. 36

If You Want Financial Freedom You Can’t Ignore This (Part 1)

We avoided estate planning for a long time; here's why you shouldn't. Without an estate plan, you're giving over the control of what happens to all your assets to others. In part one of this two-part series, Eric + Jason talk about what they did to - finally - get their respective plans in place. Topics discussed in this episode include the elements of estate planning, why people delay + how to get started, living trusts, and taking care of your heirs. Don't be like those who put this off "until...

Apr 24, 202233 minEp. 35

Making The Worst Financial Mistake I’ve Ever Made?

Am I leaving my financial advisors after seven years? Is that foolish? Parting ways with a trusted financial advisor is a difficult and impactful decision. In our last episode, Jason talked with Eric about his thoughts to end his longterm relationship with his financial planners and take the reins himself. In this video, we learn the outcome of that conversation and talk about what their decision means for Jason and Lorri going forward. Did you miss the first part of this conversation? If so, ch...

Apr 14, 202213 minEp. 34

Breaking Up With My Financial Advisor?

Did you know that financial advisor fees can eat up HALF of your portfolio's value over time? While happy with the good support and great relationship he had with them, Jason was thinking about leaving his financial planners late last year. In this episode, we capture a conversation Eric + Jason had on this topic, as they discussed the merits and downsides of paying assets under management (AUM) fees. Topics covered in this episode include why he stuck with them over the years, the value advisor...

Apr 10, 202238 minEp. 33

Financial Lessons We’re Passing On (Part 2)

Kids are incredibly impressionable and as parents, we have a responsibility to educate them in all ways, including in financial matters. In this second installment of a two part series, we continue our discussion on a topic that's been requested many times by viewers: all things relating to kids. Concepts discussed in this episode include saving for college and the roles of parents vs children in that, budgeting, investing, and sharing life lessons by example. Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.co...

Mar 27, 202231 minEp. 32

Our FIRE Portfolios Are Down 20%, What Now?

How has the recent market downturn changed our plans? Jason + Eric candidly discuss their pre- and post-FI moods in this volatile time. Learn what they're doing and thinking about right now as Jason nears the two-year post-FI mark and Eric contemplates pushing his 2024 FI date back. show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/crash

Mar 13, 202251 minEp. 31

Teaching Our Teens About FI and Money (Part 1)

Having children comes along with many necessary expenses, but also provides a key opportunity to provide them with a solid financial education. In part one of a two part series, we tackle a topic that's been requested many times by viewers: all things relating to kids. Topics discussed in this episode include our own financial upbringing, early attempts to teach our kids about saving + investing, the value of teens having jobs, and talking with them about FIRE. Join us for the first episode of t...

Feb 27, 202226 minEp. 30

Buying Bonds. Still Not Convinced I’m Doing the Right Thing! (Part 2)

I reallocated my investment portfolio, sold out of my 100% equity position and I'm not happy about it. Part two of a two-part series, you'll learn why and how I'm making peace with it. Ensuring that your investment portfolio can fund your lifestyle for the duration of your lifespan is essential to success in FIRE. One of the most impactful elements of that is how your portfolio is constructed, or your asset allocation. In this episode, Eric discusses his desire to reduce the risk of his portfoli...

Feb 13, 202234 minEp. 29

FI-nancial Decisions - Transitioning to FI with Laura + Eric [Bonus Episode]

Making big decisions like reallocating your investment portfolio can be pretty stressful. They're also impactful, so alignment with your partner or spouse on them is essential. In this bonus episode, get a behind the scenes look at how Eric + Laura navigated their decision to add bonds to their FIRE portfolio. Topics discussed include how they determined the stocks / bonds mix, their research process, and how it felt to make these impactful decisions. Their conversation continues into broader FI...

Feb 06, 202227 minEp. 28

I Rebalanced My FI/RE Portfolio and I Hate It! (Part 1)

I reallocated my investment portfolio, sold out of my 100% equity position and I'm not happy about it. In this two-part episode, you'll learn why and how I'm making peace with it. Ensuring that your investment portfolio can fund your lifestyle for the duration of your lifespan is essential to success in FIRE. One of the most impactful elements of that is how your portfolio is constructed, or your asset allocation. In this episode, Eric discusses his desire to reduce the risk of his portfolio wit...

Jan 31, 202230 minEp. 27

Retirement Is Nothing Like I Thought It Would Be

We all daydream about what retirement will be like, but will reality live up to expectations? In this episode, Eric and Jason are joined by Fritz Gilbert, who blogs at The Retirement Manifesto ( https://theretirementmanifesto.com ). Now nearly four years after retiring early, Fritz brings valuable experience + perspectives to this question. Our discussion goes well beyond the numbers, covering topics including finding your purpose, working "one more year", determining your FIRE timing, and the k...

Jan 16, 202257 minEp. 26

Financial Independence, Retire Early...Go Back to Work?

Discussing the concerns, worries, and interests occupying our thoughts right now. A temporal look from their respective sides of FI, Eric and Jason discuss a new job prospect, while Eric is a little too focused on saving to achieve FI. They probe ideas about how "vacation time" is different post-RE, as well as their current favorite podcasts and books.

Jan 03, 202232 minEp. 25

Comparing our FIRE Portfolios + Asset Allocations (Part 2)

Choosing how to divide your assets among stocks, bonds, and other investment vehicles is a good first step, but asset allocation also impacts your tax rate, portfolio performance, and long-term ease of maintaining it all. In part two, Eric and Jason dig further into their own portfolios from their respective sides of FI and discuss the role of bonds, risk, tools you can use to assess your portfolio and model performance, rebalancing, and an interesting - not often discussed - case for financial ...

Dec 19, 202142 minEp. 24

Getting Your FIRE Asset Allocation Right. Here‘s Ours (Part 1)

What is the best way to divide up your investments among stocks, bonds, and other vehicles? Asset allocation is an essential yet confusing topic. That said, it is an area of critical importance when thinking about early retirement. This is because decisions made about asset allocation can have huge implications on portfolio performance, taxation, and ease of maintenance. Join us for this first episode in a two-part series, as Eric and Jason talk about their portfolios, the merits of simple vs. m...

Dec 12, 202142 minEp. 23

Have Enough to Retire (Early)? 10 Steps to Make Sure

Will you have enough to money to retire (early or otherwise)? Achieving financial independence requires many key elements to be in place and special consideration if you plan to retire early. You need a plan: what will you do? What will you spend? Where will it come from? In this episode, Eric and Jason discuss a recent blog post by Fritz @ The Retirement Manifesto where he discusses the "10 Steps to Make Sure You Have Enough Money to Retire". We cover how we've been designing our "dream retirem...

Nov 28, 20211 hrEp. 22

Healthcare is my Second Highest Cost in Early Retirement

Health insurance may not be top of mind in early retirement when you're young and healthy, but it should be. In the US, healthcare costs are a significant line item in our budget. To help us decode what you need to know, we've invited a retirement benefits expert to answer our questions through the lens of those seeking financial independence and early retirement. To protect against astronomical expenses resulting from unexpected medical issues, it's prudent to carry insurance. If you're retirin...

Nov 15, 202159 minEp. 21

A CoastFI Path to Financial Security: An Interview with Catherine

In today's episode we are joined by a guest, who we met in a FIRE Discord server, and wanted to share her story. Our conversation is a great example of the diverse reasons why people choose to seek financial independence. As you’ll discover, family health issues set then 23-year old Catherine on her FI path, largely as a means to ensure her financial security should she encounter issues of her own as she ages. Listen to our conversation to hear just how much progress she's made in only two years...

Nov 09, 202147 minEp. 20

How We Travel: Pre + Post Financial Independence

A seven day vacation or 5 weeks of travel - which would you prefer? When you're working towards financial independence, vacations are a time to set aside work and everyday chores. But they're constrained by things you don't often control: accrued vacation time, work and school schedules, business obligations, and holidays, to name a few. In this episode, Eric and Jason compare notes from their two respective sides of FI and their recent vacations: 7 days for Pre-FI Eric and 5 weeks for Post-FI J...

Oct 31, 202137 minEp. 19

Retired Early and I Hated It: How NOT to FIRE, Part 2 (Post-FI/RE)

Imagine hitting your FI number, retiring early, and discovering you hate it? In this episode we discuss four examples of such an outcome: from quitting the perfect job and regretting it, to feelings of depression and lack of purpose. Some are unable to find motivation without financial incentives, while others realize they haven't budgeted enough to do things they enjoy in life. This is part 2 of our How NOT to FI/RE series for part 1 and the PRE FI/RE examples, be sure to check out that video h...

Oct 17, 202127 minEp. 18

How NOT to FIRE - Part 1 (Pre-FI/RE)

On the path to financial independence, there are ample opportunities for mistakes and missteps. In today's episode, we review stories from people who shared their FIRE experiences online in the hopes of educating others. Here we review five of these tales: incurring tragic losses due to trying to beat the market, losing 75% of your portfolio value due to sector investing, regretting aggressively saving at the expense of living your life, and resenting your partner who doesn't have the same degre...

Oct 04, 202136 minEp. 17
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