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You Gotta Be Dirty. The Outlaws Motorcycle Club In and Around Wisconsin examines the evolution of outlaw motorcycle clubs in the United States from nineteen forty seven to the early nineteen sixties, the influence of rogue riders, the one percent of motorcyclists living outside the law spread from the West coast and into America's heartland. In Wisconsin, investigators link members of the Outlaws to at least eleven murders. Four of the innocent persons killed where women, and two were elderly.

Three children also boss their lives. A fifteen year old boy was killed by an explosive device, an infant perished in an arson fire, and a ten year old boy was executed vis a vis a gunshot to the head. During a tumultuous nineteen nineties, the Outlaws orchestrated a guerrilla style offensive in a quest to beat backed expansion of the world's largest one percent motorcycle club, the Hell's Angels.

During this period, the Hell's Angels began courting the Hell's Henchman Motorcycle Club, a group with chapters in Chicago, Rockford, and South Bend, Indiana. The Hell's Angel's bold move into northern Illinois touched off a seven year conflict that was exacerbated by beatings, bombings, and shootings. As a former outlaw biker investigator, author and retired Milwaukee Police Department detective Larry Powolitz wrote, I participated in the investigations of several of

the incidents documented in this well research book. This history of the Outlaws motorcycle Club shines a bright light on the one percent motorcycle club subculture. The book that we're featuring this afternoon is You Gotta Be Dirty The Outlaws Motorcycle Club in and around Wisconsin, with my special guest, journalist and author Michael Grogan. Welcome to the program, and thank you very much for agreeing this interview.

When I was looking for a topic to write my master's thesis, that I was actually exploring hostile riots a racial riot that happened in Milwaukee in the mid to late nineteen sixties, and I interviewed the detective who's actually participated in the law enforcement during that riot, and he told me about the Outlaw's Motorcycle Club about how really there's never been a comprehensive history about the club written

about this group in south eastern Wisconsin. He had several boxes of information about the club and a lot of institutional knowledge, and so as I began looking into his information other information, I thought I'd make an excellent topic. One of the things now in history circles is team for groups who have been underrepresented throughout history, and so traditional history might look at diplomats and governments and politics.

A lot of trends in the history right now look at groups that are called cultural histories, and certainly the one percent subculture is such a group. And nobody really in historical circles has written much both. I found one other historian, doctor Randy mbat Texas Tech, we had written something about the outlaw motorcycle gained subculture. But in Wisconsin, in the Midwest, really no other historian has really exported

the club. Now you open with this, and maybe you can tell us, as you're do in the book, the importance of Milwaukee for our Internet national listeners in terms of Harley Davidson Milwaukee one percent clubs and Wisconsin in terms of one percent bike clubs. Before we talk about as you do in the introduction where you have we open up the with the the very much action packed courthouse, Milwaukee courthouse where we have Todd Liifker that's on the

witness stand and talking about cover and concealment. So first tell us a little bit about Milwaukee, as you do, and before we talk about Todd Lifeger and a witness at a Milwaukee courthouse. And this is how you open. You've got to be dirty, sure, Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Harley Davison has made Milwaukee at Outlaw motorcycle clubs, which are the one percent motorcyclists that live outside the law. Their by laws require them to have an American made motorcycle or

a BMW. They're not allowed to have any Japanese bikes or any other foreign type of bikes. Most the pride and joy of these clubs obviously part of the Harley Davidson subculture, and people are not familiar with Milwaukee. Harley Davidson was started in Milwaukee in nineteen oh three. Nineteen eighties, had ran into some financial problems and was bailed out by President Reagan. And since the nineteen eighties the company has really flourished and become the pride and joy of

the Milwaukee area. So in nineteen sixty four when when our club we had Milwaukee was called the Milwaukee Gypsy Outlaws, and they had a co chat from Louisville, Kentucky called the Louisville Gypsy Outlaws. In August nineteen sixty four, they went to Springfield, Illinois for a race. They had a meeting with the Outlaws Motorcycle Club in Chicago, and the three groups merged to form the Outlaws Nation which was initially three clubs and as such the Outlaws Motorcycle Club

had got a foothold. And then Milwaukee, which is the home of Harley Davidson.

the crime he committed from the evidence locker. Another instance, Powers told Life occurred that Lifeer was trafficking drugs and old another man ten thousand dollars, and Powers offered to have the Outlaws committed hit against the guy and kill him. That was too much for Toddy said, I'd rather deal

with the guy. But what that indicated to me into the court was that how the all Laws would take care of their friends, They would cover for him and conceal the evidence in the criminal justice system for them.

to the Outlaws and their appearance in southwestern Wisconsin. So tell us what the initial response was by everyone, including law enforcement, to the Outlaws coming into Wisconsin having a presence.

their coverer intelligence program. In the Milwaukee Police Department, men's had a group called the Special Assignment Squad, which was in effect, the Milwaukee Police Department's version of co Intel Pro. It basically kept an eye on subversion groups or groups

that were had coast and notional groups like that. So when the Outlaws came onto the scene in the early nineteen sixties, the head of the Special Assignment Squad didn't really view the Outlaws as fitting into the category that merited surveillance based on the guidelines of a Special Assignment Squad. They viewed the Outlaws more or less as facilitator as

a public disorder. They were kind of viewed as pro military veteran rowdy type of groups, and they believe the best way to keep an eye on them, but they have group, a tactical squad it was being formed at the time, keep tabs in the club and suppress their criminal activities. And that's well from the Milwaukee Police Department's perspective, that's kind of the way they've moderned the club from their inception in nineteen sixty four until about nineteen seventy four, and then things change.

cave in. Now, if you look at the culture of the all motorcycle clubs, similar to street gangs, they have colors and the Outlaws colors are black and white. And the colors of the Outlaw's major arrival, the Hell's Angels are red and white. Well, the Heavens Devils wore a red and white patch if you look at their name, obviously it's in typical to that to the Fellows Angels. So the Outlaws were always skeptical that the Heavens Devils might be really the forerunner for the Hell's Angels movement

into Wisconsin. And in the nineteen seventies, the Outlaws continued to target the Heavens Devils. The Heavens Doubles Devils refused to drop their patch, and finally, one day the Outlaws did a home invasion armed robbery on four Heavens Devil's members and took their club colors and robbed them a small amount of money. Well, in the one percent subculture, you're never supposed to go to the police to solve issue those is, they're supposed to be involved between members

of the clubs. But the Heavens Devils decided the Great President. They caught Milwaukee Police Department two members of the out Laws arrested for invasion, armed robbery, UH and indition from while their trials were trial was waiting for her the Yellows retaliated against Seven's doubles. There was one night where they had took a fireboxing some guy's window, if shotgun blast another man's window, and then a four or five ten Zimbles were targeted and still the devils remained at it.

They weren't going to drop their past. And the case proceeded the trial and then on in September, the two members of the Alls were found guilty and moving pre committments the prison sentences. Two months later, on November fifth, nineteen seventy four, Pick Boy looked ants. He's a fifteen years boy, went to Wilbregs in your high school. He was doing it brought about six o'clock in the morning, your eighty third and keith A, Milwaukee's near west side,

the nice blue collar area at the time. And as he's walking this route, he sees a package wrapped as a Christmas gift on top of an old mobile and initially he thinks that, you know, somebody might have forgot the package on top of the homeowner and walked into the home. So apparently he was going to pick up the package to put it on the steps when he picked it up and exploded the box was filled with TNT and spent welding rods, and it was a devastating blast.

From the detectives that I talked to there were at the scene, they said that these were hardcore detectives, crusty law enforcement people, investigatives, the most serious crimes of Milwaukee. And they said it was the worst crime scene they've ever seen that when they got there from the blast and blowing the socket out of his eye and seared his face to the point where it was still burning when they arrived in the crime scene and he was killed instantaneously, over two hundred runs.

away the blast. This blast changed everything because now from that point on the Milwaukee Police Department's command staff no longer looked like looked at the outlaws is simply facilitators of public disorder. Looked at them as organized crime, and they were very violent, threatened the safety of all Milwaukeeans. You can imagine it's like the mafia. The mafia is more like blood in and blood out, the posts and ostrum. They don't typically bother you unless they have an issue

with you. Well, when a little kid, paper boy gets blown up by a bomb, the entire city obviously is fearful that this type of violence. Now, there's going to be a lot of collateral damage during this spewed and the Milwaukee Police firm really wretched it up the pressure at that time and it kind of changed the whole dynamic between the police department and the club.

lived in an area by the airport. It was on a side street thirty ply residential area. This door rings at three am. Stoorboll rings. He's off duty. He goes to the door. It's a member of the aut Laws. He said that he was simply lost and was looking for directions. Another instance, detectives from the Violent Crimes Division of the Criminal Investigation Brew in the Milwaukee Police Department.

They're having a picnic in a well known park in Milwaukee, and they notice that the allt Laws are there, taking on their license plates and conducting surveillance of them and their families. So these officers felt that the all Laws were obviously trying to intimidate them. So that was one instance. But another instance is the all Laws were getting very brazen at one point and in the mid seventies. Nineteen seventy five, off to the Milwaukee officers at a tavern

kind of a great part of Milwaukee. Apparently some members of the out Laws are there. They exchange insults, and as the officer leaves, the outlaws follow them. They bump the back of his car. When the officer gets out, the outlaws beat the officers so bad they break his

jaw and break his eye socket. When the officer gets back in the car and follows the outlaws and right outside one of the Milwaukee's police districts on the south side, off to the officer forces the Outlaws of ban off the road, and one of the on duty officers that the station comes over assis the police officer effect the arrest to the outlaws. The police chief of Milwaukee the time, his name was Harold Harold Brier, and Milwaukee either you love him or you hate him. If you love a

law and order, you love Harold Brier. If you're a member of the counterculture, you didn't like him. Well, Briar was smart enough to now. But this time though, the Outlaws were up to This is after the ans Dead bombing, so he actually assigned an officer who watched the home of the officer who was beaten to make sure the outlaws didn't retaliate. And her name was Susan Ordell. She's a twenty three year old relatively new police officer. Now

she was guarding Bartlett's house. The officer who was beaten by the outlaws on the South Side. A man came by, shot her squad car twice, almost killed her. She exited the squad pursued the man who shot her, but the man got into a vehicle and speed off. In the interim, another law enforcement officer, Earls of Belle, lieutenant in the Suburban department, had information at the allwayers are planning up. I'm blowing outlaws are planning I'm blowing up a police station.

And so all this stuff was heating up. As the police ratched up the pressure to investigate the handstip murder, the out laws were also ratching up the pressure. And then in about a year and a half a year later, you could see all these problems coming to the forefront.

The outlaws were at a strip club on Milwaukee's West Side and had a confrontation with three other men and a large contingent of police officers responded, including a tactical enforcement unit which was used that kit tabs on the outlaws, and when they got there, they arrested three members of the outlaws. One of them's name was Roger Lyons, and Roger Lyons was involved in a relatively minor scuffle, but he did fight with the police. Some witnesses said they

saw a police officers swinging their batons. He was later conveyed out to a patrol wagon and taken to a district station where he appeared non responsive and was rushed to the high and died in police custody more or less.

And so you can see how all these effects, the causal effect of them re action up the pressure and the out laws refusal to give in, in fact wanting to intimidate the investigators to back off concerning to ansset investigation caused the police to operate in the periphery, and that you can argue the out laws will argue that they actually killed Roger Lyons, but they held an inquest. There was a struggle before the police got there, and the inquest try determined that they could not identify who

actually killed Lions. But the DA said that if it was a citizen who killed them, the citizen committed homicide if it was a police officer killed them, and the police to use successive force, but to this date it's never been to prove it. But he did die of head trauma.

John Krieger. Apparently they were an in Kreger, and at one time it's alleged that Eisenberg welt the creager and said he had private investigators following the judge. The judge would be off the bench within sixty or ninety days. Well, Krieger under the dress Meisenberg went into a courthouse bathroom, put a revolver in his models and killed himself. In nineteen seventies in Wisconsin's report suspended Eisenberg and his father what they called the intimidated acts to cause them to

push himself over the edge. But Eisenberg was a good advocate for the outlaws. They knew on the game the system. The outlaws, of course, would try to intimidate as many witnesses they could coming forward, and the das and the

system recognized that and ask sets. They were willing to cut deals with Eisenberg because they knew that these witnesses were hasen to testify and in these trials be very expensive because almost often they'd be going into witness protection programs, So the attorney really knew how to game the system. What really happened is that Wakee Sentinel reporter was really kind of following the Outlaws and reporting on the cases.

It didn't seem to make much difference to them. And then in the late seventies, two members of the Milwaukee Sentinel staff were the party to saloon call of the new boot the Heapens Devils, where they were having their

Christmas party. Two and a number of a couple of members of the Outlaws walked in and one began to spray the barroom with gunfire and shot two members of the Milwaukee Sentinel killed one member of the heaven Stills, and that kind of you know when I guess, when you start shooting the media and they're present, kind of

changes the perception of the club by the media. And then the media began reporting to how lenient some of these deals were getting, where they were committing homicides, alleged homicides, alleged sexual assault. The bales were set five thousand dollars.

They would some of the outlaws to go out reoffend of one of the outlaws got caught stealing a Harley Davidson, actually tied them to two thapts in one night, and then went to Louisville, Kentucky and attempted to pass fifty thousand dollars worth of phony US currency and came back Milwaukee. Bail remained the same. The judge sentenced them concurrently to the federal time that he served me for the counterfeit, So you got actually no time for the Harley david

that's whatsoever. So the outlaws really the traditional system back in Milwaukee, in the state of Wisconsin and Milwaukee in the sixties and seventies, probably the first half of the nineteen eighties was very lenient, even for homicides. If you were sentenced to a homicide, you did sentenced to thirty years, did between twenty five percent thirty percent of the sentence before you were released. Those things tended to change in the nineteen eighties, and the outlaws really took advantage.

At the time Gary Hornick took over the Intouchables, they had about one hundred and thirty six members, but he wanted to make the group more or less like the Outlaws. So he did this and began getting rid of what he called all the leakers from the club and turned the club down to about forty members the Outlaw had. The Untouchables had a beautiful clubhouse. It was on a river on the Sheboygan manage block line. The Outlaws realized

that they can incorporate this club into their system. They could expand their reach into that part of the state. And so, if you believed Gary Hornack, and he really has no reason to lie about this, they Outlaws went to an in Touchable party at the Intouchables clubhouse and apparently the Outlaws had a plan at the time to murder John Warner, who was a prospect for their club.

He was at odds with the Outlaws. Some of them believed that he may have given information to police bought a prior sexual assault, and the Outlaws planned to kill Werner at this party. They know they killed him at this party. They believe that the Intubles had become involved in the cover up and in essence, the Outlaws would then be able to take over the club, and that's what happened. Warner was at the party. He was encouraged to fight another member of former member of the Outlaws.

Warner got the best of the other member. Then he was getting ahead with a wine bottle and beaten a little bit. He went to clean up in a river. Eventually came into the clubhouse and one of the Outlaws members shouted to kill the son of a bitch, and Warner was taken outside of His colors were taken off the room. A knife was tasked from one member of the Outlaws to another, and the Outlaws stabbed him and Warner eventually was taken to a hospital, throwing the back

of the station wagon. Taken to a hospital and asked away in a homicide investigation to it, but the Outlaws had there and then within about two weeks and Touchbowe's Motorcycle Club no longer existed and in essence was folded into the Outlaws and became the Outlaws Motorcycle Club's Shmoygan chapter, and that gave the al us they wanted that foothold in that part of the state.

And so as a relationship got more rocky, Gary Horneck suspected his wife Victoria was going to go to the police and disinformation and he developed a plan to kill her with two other members of the club. Eventually, she's lured to a farm by two members of the club and at this farm one of the other members his name is Richard Lucy. He's supposed to shoot Victoria and Gary pushes it over, but he isn't the guts to do it. He fires around off, but he fires to

the crown. He doesn't have the guts to shoot Victoria Hornet. So at that time, Victoria retreats into the woods. She backs back puddles in this wooded area. Gary follows her. The other people here three to four shots and then Gary emerges and tells tells the other members that he shot Victoria if they want to take the money in her pockets before they bury her. That information though that case.

Eventually the two other members of the Outlaws, when law enforcement of pressure on, they turned state's witness and the district attorney in Cheboygan County was able to un panel it John Hearing, which is similar to the federal grand jury. Eventually they obtained the information they needed to try and convict Harry Hornack, key of the cases that while Harry Hornack's conviction and made the Outlaws Chapter Spoygan go away

without Hornach chapter was going to be successful. But more importantly down the road, Hornick realized he's going to be imprisoned for a long time, so he decided to turn state's witness, and that's when police finally determined that the information make a prosecution against the suspect who killed John Werner and also learned that the outlaws specifically were involved in the Amstet bombing.

not snitch on their fellow bikers. They certainly do. So tell us a little bit about what they get from Gary Hornick and from this investigation and what he tells them.

told him that the all Laws did it. But he was there when he said Craig Laughn Hopper killed John Warner, and he said the investigators piece by piece information about how the homicide occurred and why. He believes the outlaws set up that homicide to Perr and Shbuoygen laid the whole case off for him. Then in the interim Popper is charged with killing John Werner, but Eisenberger's Eisenberg is

an attorney, one of the witnesses to the case. He's a member of the club by the name nickname of Goliath. He says he passed a knife to the to Hopper, who then killed Werner. He also said that lives in jail, Eisenberg can't visit him, and Olsen was wearing a wire from Tomaselli and Eisenberg was trying to convince him to lie in the stand and said burn Warren perjury by telling him that Warner was having an affair with number

member of the Outlaws. It's not true. This gets reported in court, but still the jury listen to all the evidence and they find Hopper not guilty. They believe it was some type of self defense climate or the misidentification of the possible stabbing stabbing suspect. Copper beats the rat Hornack in the interim, since it's really hard to get witnesses against the Aulaws this espectually someone who's been higher up.

He becomes a controversial figure because he killed his wife with the time was you know, six months pregnant, and he's getting these really really kind of treat with kid gloves by authorities in Cebuoygan County. They did a set up a jail cell next to his where he can make leather products that he was selling the members of the county. They'd take him up to the roof of

the courthouse, let him sunbathe on the courthouse. At one time they took him up to a resort one of the homes of Dorrit County, which is over one of our resort communities for a weekend so we can relax and so the media focused on that the media figure out why DA was cutting us a good deal with Hornack, who himself was a killer. But that's how tough is

to get good performance against these guys. But the Hornet case taught the outlaws, though, is that like the Hell's Angels have a slogan, free men can keep the secret if you are dead. Well, as long as people were still alive and the police could put the squeeze to them, it would turn state's witness but they couldn't do that

they were dead. And so that's what the all us proceeded to do to all the witnesses in the Ansteck case, and someilar their crimes proceeded to go about killing people that could become potential state's witnesses.

that a woman who apparently was a stripper. She came to the party at the imitation of one of the outlaws. When you walked into the clubhouse was apparently a vending machine. If you wanted to you had to pay to get paid put money into the vending machine to get the beer out, and she actually got a beer from a vending machine. Joseph Kohler was nickname the junk Yard, picked her up, threw over her shoulder and peering up a

small ladder to a loft or a polar. Bushman and another member of the Outlaws because she could do sexually assault her numerous times in numerous different ways. The woman then after she's assaulted, the Outlaws took with her with no clothing. She came downstairs and there was a large party going on, and the outlaw Bushman told her fuller. He got in the bar and danced to the people present at the time. She alleges Kohler put a beer

bottle in vagina and Bushman flashed a knife. The president of the Outlaws chapter the time, Jim Moody, he told that he told the bikers, look, I don't think she's gonna do any of this letter and go. So she leaves the party with another Outlaw and goes to that Outlaws house and spends the night, and then in the morning when she wakes up, she contacts the police and the sexual assault investigations. On the way. The police end up doing a search warrant at the clubhouse and they

find the woman's she took her. She had a jumption she took with her, but she couldn't find her panties. Her panties were found over a clock draped over a

clock in the clubhouse. Ironically, that the next day, in an unrelated manner, while Bushman is under investigation for the sexual assault, the investigators finally serve a search warrant at the property farm where Bushman and Mansion had the chop shop, and they find he and he used to make the explosives in the antet case in the rafters of the barn and the chop shop is so this is not a good week for John bush Eventually, Bushman is charged and pulled her our charge with the sexual assault case

that goes to trial. Eisenberger is there again defending them, and even that Dia believes that the case is kind of weak. He believes the women's sexual proclivities that after she left the party with the all member, spent the night in his house. Apparently when his wife left, she had consensual sex with members of the outlaws. So the dad really thought it's going to be a kind of a crapshoot in this case. But he tries the case

and Eisenberg tries to intimidate the witness. The long story shortest, the jury believes the woman they find, Bushmen and Kohl are guilty the sexual assault. And so this is the obviously the girl who was sexual assault that she was putting with retection and flowing in a different state by this point in time, now the police and the prosecutors are on the same page about how to make these witnesses testify, given them proper protection to testify against the outlaws.

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dot com slash murder. We were talking about the noose, as you write in the book, slowly tightening around members of the Outlaw motorcycle club, and police and prosecutors begin to really understand how and who they need to target to get more information to further head up the ladder and solve these murders and other crimes. For our audience, explain what the concept of predicate acts is and its meaning and its importance in this story.

depending on the offense. And they do it with an organization or an organization, that becomes an act of racketeering and you can get a maximum sentence of twenty five years to life for racketeering. So when a federal agency goes in and indict somebody for racketeering, they have a lot of pressure is placed under defendants because the prosecutors have a lot of leeway and how to charge the case.

And as a result, they can really get members of the club or organized crime group close to most of the outlaws whatever to come forward as witnesses to avoid life sentences.

met Stole and they became a couple. Well, they were both presidents Stole, Irby and Bushman at the chop shop. When Billy the Kid Wadsworth, one of the person actually gave information the police went there and saw Bushman making the presence of the Heavens and Devils, which was the bomb that killed Anstett. He's putting together at the chop shop. Within the span after Bushman got indicted for the firearm case,

Stole was in one of his partners Bushman. Stole had taken some guns down into Illinois and traded him to a member of the Outlaws and Liberty Bill Well. Obviously they didn't know it, but the Outlaws member of Illinois was an informant for the ATF, So the ATF followed Bushman stole back by airplane and eventually indicted both them for the firearms trafficking and soon afterwards, because obviously stole nu who made the device, so did Irby stolen Herby

just vanished off the face of the earth. The next Gentlemans Clifford Mansion. And the reason Mansion is important that he owned the farm when the chop shop was and eventually, when Bushman knew that he was going to go away from the sexual assault, he officers had served a search warrant at Mansion's farm. He invited Mansion to meet him

at a farm in Waukeshaw. One of the investigators in the case, Roger Hindenbler, says that Mansion was lured there who was told to bring ten thousand dollars with them, and that Bushman would procure motorcycle Forum on to become a member of the All Laws. But you know, Mansion must not have been the sharpest tool in the shed because he knew his place had just been rated, and he knew that bush was going to be a prime suspect.

But he went to the farmer Walkshaw anyway, and he went there, he was murdered, and he was his body was thrown into a shallow grape underneath and then placed underneath his shed. So now you have those three individuals missing Bush and eventually goes to prison of a sexual assault. And the outlaws now under a lot of pressures still from antit and some of other offenses, and they began migrating out of Milwaukee and into a suburb called Salt Milwaukee.

It's in Milwaukee County, probably about four or five miles south of the city proper, and they started visiting caverns. There's a very blue collar at the time. There are a lot of industry cyrus used to be there, a lot of big companies, and the alls began visiting caverns. They began analycense with caverns and stealed right out of the tavern. Finally, when they bot the third head called the Brandy and Iron, a woman that are named Virginia Phillips will not let them inside. She told them, I

don't want you inside. You guys are animals lost to leave. Well, at four o'clock in the morning that morning, two men there's no description really, there's two men coached the tavern which is now closed, and they spray the door with a gasoline and lighted on fire. Either they didn't know it or they did know, but upstairs from the taverner's apartments and a young mother or an infant child were

killed in the fire from smoking elation. At the time, now on self Milwaukee, this was a typical blue collar long type now the small police department. So the residents became sole rile. They openly told reporters that informed this Landing group to go after the Outlaws. Nothing much truly, it came with the Landing group. They always continuing out for a while. The Milwaukee police got wise, even started bring partner chose the self Milwaukee police, but nobody were charged.

Bring iron fire, that one just one of the cases. It's a little bit and investigators are walks. Attorney Michael mc chan said that heat information he the outlaws the arson fire in the death advanced, but he had not information bring chargers.

in headway towards stemming the tide of the outlaws. Is there any new developments in the eighties You talked about the summer of nineteen eighty one a Canadian BC documentary tell us a little bit about what changes in the eighties and what are those changes.

the organization. But because they were doing so, they were kind of a level of this array. When real hardcore members were no longer there, the ones that remained the job was well recruit young members and she should how to be found without laws. And so when this period you begin to see that the trench and from the chief, the first original part of the club to the club that would never it would be there from about the early nineteen eighties. Police typeens. In nineteen ninety seven he

all lost. This time, there's a man living Connocal, Wisconsin, John David Marshall. He was linked as the out Laws national enforcer and it was believed that he was. He transformed the identity of moved to Canada, was killed by the Hells Angels. Eventually comes back to Wisconsin. He catches a gun case in Wisconsin. This comes out in the court records that he actually was a national forcer for

the club. He didn't see. Now the organized crime pattern moving away from the earlier properment the Outlaws and ruffian tormentors, the deadly eradicators now becoming more of a racketeering based organization in the nineteen eighties.

Indian Movement. Uh So, what happened Paster and Bushman? Excuse me? Prosecutor Mansions the trade redou to come back a couple of weeks. In the sis of finer details, this is we're kind of long enforced and wonders. At that time, they probably should stork mansion placement to a witness protection program.

and Bushman got managed before the police did. Nobody really knew what happened to Mansion for about ten years. They knew he disappeared and they couldn't find And then in nineteen eighty eight, in December nineteen eighty eight, two detectives will he sold the cars were familiar with the Allways. They stopped Wholly crested. The name is slantized. They stopped him for a legal violation and eventually take him to jail,

and he said he provided. He said, look, I can't tell you killed there's another killing the Rollbox family, so I can't tell you killed them. I can't tell you who killed Match because I was there when they buried his body. So Presto began to tell him the whole situation, how he's instructed to go out to the farm and he's gonna pick up Mansion's truck and drive it to the chop shops that could be destroyed. When he got there, he saw Mansion lying on the ground spaces caved in

from the butt of a shotgun. If he had suffered a chockcut last to the stomach, I was dead and the yellow lows being great from underneath his shd on this farm. So the investigators identify the farm. You already had changed now because a lot of the farm for

being transitioned into subdivisions. So the investigators about two days to identify the farm and were in conjunction with investigators and walks up Countians Jason Milwaukeee and eventually got consent from the owner of the farm and search weren't to dig up the grave and they found the bones believed to be Mansions. Ironically enough, even though it seemed like police at all, they had all the elements of the crime.

The major thing at the time, this is when DNA was in its infancy, was the actual identity of Mansion. They had a forensic investigator a pathologist come through and she said that she was sure to a medical degree of certainty that the person was Mansion. The d at the time didn't want to buy it. The investigators believed that the DA, they personally believed this to their court. The DA was afraid of the all lads. He asked

a question apparently that they charged this case. The need to be special security members measures taken to the courthouse and maybe two members of the DA staff, and when a federalation said there would be, he kind of seemed to pause about charging Bushmen with the death of Mansion, and so the case went uncleared. Ironically, since Bushman is alleged to have killed Anstead by the investigators they'd gotten Mansion, they would have gotten as killer too, but the case

is still open. Kind of asidement to the story on this though, is that while I was writing the book, I was attempting to find it out more information about mansions involvement with the American Indian Movement to transfer of guns. To do so well on to file a Freedom Information Act request with the FBI. In order for me to

do that, I had two things. I have to have Mansion signature, which is impossible because he's dead, or I have to have a death certificate that Mansion is dead so that there's no privacy related issues with the federal government and the FBI. When I called the medical when I called the Wakshaw County Records of Deeds to get the woman said there was not on file, and she referred me to the medical examiner, who said that Mansion's

bones they had to be positively identified. They cannot find a living relative who was willing to supply compared to a DNA sample of fear that the outlaws would retaliate. So those bones have basically set on the shelf for twenty eight odd years and his death has still ever been identified. So long story short, little little research you can find us in the conclusion of the book. The

last half of the conclusion. After they claiming they couldn't find a relative of Mansions, I did a little research with the about six different UW Wisconsin databases and I was able to locate two relatives of Mansions, and I contacted one of them and the relative pluming it relative would be able to provide a sample of DNA. And so there were a couple of glitches in the case. But I was told two weeks ago that investigators making progress to law enforcement to possibly clear the case.

The mother chapter is in Chicago, that's not in their second chapter or third chapter, but I look at it is in Milwaukee, the hell So the Hell's Angels making a move into Illinois was a major threat at the Outlaws. The Hell's Angels trucially started on the West coast, and that's when the country was divided into four regions that the groups were going to kind of dominate. Tagans on the east coast, the Outlaws in the Midwest, the South, the Bandido is in the Southwest, and the Hell's Angels

on the west coast and moving inward. But the Hell's Angels began expanding in different parts of the country, and they began encroaching on the Outlaws and the Pagans and the Vandidos and caused obviously a lot of resentment between these groups. So the person who actually sponsored the Hell's Henchman to become members of the Hell's Angels was Pat Matter. He was the chapter president of the Hell's Angels in Minnesota.

The Outlaws got win of this in about late nineteen eighty eighties early nineteen ninety and so they came up with a strategy that they needed to have a club around their southern border as kind of their eyes and their ears. They patched over a club called the Booth Runners from their club into the Outlaws state Line chapter, and their leader was a guy by the name of Kevin Spike O'Neal. He's probably one of the most dangerous bikers in Wisconsin history because he was brazen and how

he go about his business. So the first act that the when they were still booze Learners to tests for metal, the Outlaws had the Booze Learners go down to Rockford and attached an explosive device that looked like a fire extinguisher of wires onto it and placed it at the door with the Hell's Henchmen rocked from clubhouse on the Stay Street. The leader of the president of the Hell's Henchman, him and his girlfriend came home from the night out

and they were watching some movies upstairs. They heard some ruckus down in the clubhouse like a TV was on, and he grabbed the gun, went out to investigate and saw this improvised explosive device. Placed them against the door and notified the police. The police came. They called them

the bomb squad. Their theory was they're going to take this explosive device and put it onto a net, and then from the net would be taken into this steel tube and that it would be taken out in the country where to be detonated and the explosion would be forced up in the air out of the steel tube. A while the investigators were trying to put the device on the net, it flipped onto the Debt Nation Wars and exploded and it shattered windows for about four blocks.

The Hell's Henchman president, he was about two hundred feet away at a car wash, and the last wave was so strong they had a cargo open and it closed the door of the car. Three of the police officers

that were there on the bomb squad suffered injuries. And so that was about two months later on Year's Day nineteen ninety one, the Outlaws officially patched over the Boozebunners and became their state line chapter to kind of tested through metal and sifted commit it and bombing and Rockford, and then really the war was on between the Outlaws and the Hell's Angels because the Hell's Angels are encroaching

in to Illinois and southeastern wiscons more or less. From there, there was another a series of attacks where the Outlaws were trying to discourage the Hell's enginants from dropping their patch and becoming members of the Hells Angels. And there was a series of beatings, bombings, shootings that were occurred. The last bombing that occurred, it's probably the most significant, was in November of nineteen ninety four and the Outlaws

had stolen a car in Wisconsin. The Ford tourists been full of up to one hundred pounds of C four. They drove the car down to Illinois and parked it outside the clubhouse the Chicago Clubhouse of the Hell's henchman. One of the persons inside would pull a cord and the device would explode in sixty seconds. After parking a carry entine, another car driven by the Outlaws Kevin O'Neil.

They drove away school bluffs just passed by before the bomb detonated, and they blew a four hundred pound steel door off the clubhouse, impacted it, went through two walls

and impacted it in the cement wall. Six buildings suffered structural damage, and the bomb left a four foot hole crater in the street by most standards, by most standards of experts explosive experts in the United States after the El Qaeda bombing of the first Bold Trade Center bombing in nineteen ninety one, Timothy mcveigh's explosion outside Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. The bombing in the

Chicago Clubs was the third largest car bombing in US history. Amazingly, no one was killed, and some of the investigators of the scene calculated the odds and they said, the odds are astronomal and no one be hurt seriously killed. It's

kind of an amazing thing. But that bomb blasts more or less, club brought on so much attention that it caused the Outlaws and the Hells Angels to kind of rethink they're war at each other, and things seem to simmer down because of all the attention that blasts brought upon both clubs.

in Illinois. And so they decided they were going to go down the device the plan to go down there and rob the elderly couple this cash. Now, the farm also had a repair shop for motorcycles, and that's how the family was owned in the motorcycling community, and Ruth also had a trailer where she sold like carpets and rubs from So, the two members of the out Laws arrive approximately six point thirty in the morning. They go to the door the farmhouse. Of the farmhouse and Ruth

Glger answers. At the time, Miller says that he's going to go talk to her husband in the shed in the workshed, and then Schnyder lures Ruth Galgar is this trailer where she has these carpets. He asked about the money. She does the same thing. He tistol whips her. She falls to the browning and starts a knife in her neck and slits her throat. He then leaves the trailer after locking it. He goes to meet Miller outside in the repair shop. They enter, Miller confronts Morris Dogger about

where the thirty thousand dollars and cash is. He says he doesn't know what they're talking about. He hands over a small amount of cash or a drawer, and then Miller follows him into an adjacent room and stabs him at death. The two outlaws leave, and they believe they had covered their tracks for both wearing hereats and things not to be laeve any DNA and gloves, and they eventually go to the lake and Eva, Wisconsin, to a restaurant and they buy breakfast at the proceeds that they

have for the robbery, the small amount of proceeds. What happens though, is that law enforcement gets called in, and law enforcement immediately suspects the couple's son, Gary Golber. Gary lives on the farm, but in a different building on the farm, and Gary was kind of a recovering alcoholic like the smoke marijuana. Some people would call him a benevolent hippie type. He was an organic farmer, and so law enforcement focused on Gary Golger put a lot of

pressure on him. Belger really never did confess to do the to doing the murders. There was no physical evidence linking there, but based on the overall circumstantial evidence, he was charged with the murders of his parents, convicted of a jury trial, and sentenced to die by lethal injection. Fortunately for Delger, as the investigators began making progress in the Outlaws cases, Mark crash Quinn, who was the one time enforced of the State Line Chapter, was doing time

in jail Infyoria. He'd get caught up in the Ruth murders of Morris Ruth, he called up a center. Devaucaner, the ATF agent Milwaukee's handled the investigation. Fuller, come down here and he told him that they had the wrong person and death row for the murders of Ruth Morris Gaubert. Actually Randall Miller and James Snegger were the killers, and then the case against the outlaws proceeded. Eventually Gary Golger was released from prison.

having Rogers shot without retaliating. So back in the Union grew up Wisconsin where the state line chapter of the Outlaw's Heads clubhouse. O'Neil summoned David Wolf there, and David Wolf at the time was a prospect for the All Laws. He wasn't a fully patched member. They told Wolf, if look, I want you to go on there and product surveillance on Lamont Monte Matthias, who was the treasurer of the Hell's Henchmon. He owned the motorcycle shop in Rockford called

mc Advercations. If you want to move on here, conduct surveillance and you got a chance to take him out. O'Neil provide him with a map of the locations, and then Wolf, along with Harvey R. V. Powers and an other prospects of the Outlaws, they traveled to Rockford the night before the homicide. Well, Wolfe's wife Patricia wolf apparently had got win that this homicide was going to take place. She called McHenry County Sheriff's office, use me Lake County

Sheriff's office. She offered them information to look, there's gonna be a homicide. The Allaws are gonna come down there tonight. They're gonna kill somebody who owns a shop. He's a member of a rival club in Rockford. Whatever reason, this an information never gets passed down to the investigators for about twelve or thirteen hours. So in the interim, the outlaws are watching the shop and Matthias comes to the

shop and they'll watch him enter. Eventually Wolfe agrees to go into the shop, purchase a spark club and check out casey and side. He goes in, gets the spark plug, looks around, he realizes Matthias is there by himself. He returns to the car to two other members of assol skates of the out Laws, and they say what's up, and he said, well, Matthias is there by himself. And then Pauler tells him, look, are we going to do this or what? And then Matsias but then Wolfe says,

I'm gonna do it. Let's go. So Wolf returns back to the shop he wants He says he wants to exchange the spark plug. He can tell Matthias is a little kind of hanky at the time. Matthias turns around to walk towards these parts through him. He's followed by Wolf and then pulls out at forty five caliber pistol

and begins shoot him in the neck. The gun jams though after four or five shots are fired, Matthias dies in the ground in A fight is on and Wolf uses the pistol butt to beat Matthias so hard that the handle of the firearm shatters. Believeing that Matthias is dead, Wolf gets up. He's going to leave the back toward the shop, and he goes to back. He can't get out, it's locked, so he returns to the front of the shop and he sees Matthias laying there. He's still gurgling.

He's swearing at Wolf, calling him with different names. So Wolf reaches for a nearby screwdriver, begins stabbing him several times, and takes the screwdriver and shoves it right to his neck. Wolf leaves the shop. He gets into the car. They end up going to Horbe, Wisconsin, when they begin to destroy evidence of the crime. But the next day wellt in noon time the investigators finding the message from Patricia

wolf that the possible homicide might happened. And as the investigators taking the information, he's listening to the radio and the information with the homicide MC fabrications came over about noon. The next day, ups delivery driver walked from the shop to Balmathia is dead. So how that information wasn't passed we don't know. The next ATF agent had possession of it. They were abouted to try to, you know, wash postile actor retaliation, but never had a chance.

he compliments her on the new lamp. So then the authorities then arranged for Patricia to get O'Neill a lamp outfitted the same way to listen to his private conversations, tell us a little bit about this incredible opportunity and break they get with this bug in the lamp Patricia Wolf.

the club was doing. So they went and they because it was her home, they obtained the lamp and put an electronic beat dropping device in the lamp and had some investigators set up nearby with a van and they would listen to all the conversations. And as she said, you know, two weeks later, O'Neil comes over and says, well, it's really a nice lamp you got, boy, it's really special. So she went and told the investigators, and of course they went and found the same lamp and put a

device in the lamp. And then next time O'Neil came over say, look I got an extra lamp. I'll give it to you, and he took it. He placed the lamp right in their clubhouse in Union Grove, Wisconsin. Of course, the investigators since it was O'Neill, and then they go get after she get a search war or a title three Warren to eavesdrop in the lamp because it wasn't there with his consent, But they got that and they were listening to all the conversations coming run out of

the clubhouse. Eventually he took the lamp from the clubhouse and also put it in this home and Racine and so investigators were able to get a lot of information with the club's activity from this this lugging in the lamp, including the conversations with David Wolf and some of the other minions about some of the crimes are going to commit.

an ATF source. There were a couple agents and people involved with the ATF for some reason wanting to get close to the Allays. He can never really get the information out of the investigators not willing to share it, but they will say it was an ATF source passed information to Jensen that said that the two ault laws prospects that killed Mathias, that there was a female old lady of one of them who's providing information to the police. She was going to testify again them and O'Neil summons

David Wolfe's the Union Robe clubhouse. He says, maybe outside the place is probably bugged and walking around the clubhouse, he tells him, look, he give him the whole story about what the foreman said about the possible snitch and Wolfe at the time realizes and this is my wife. But he doesn't want to hurt his wife. It's more or less he lets his slide. He knows that she's cooperating, but he doesn't tell O'Neil because he's fearfulf he tells O'Neil till Neil not only killed his wife, Neil will

kill him because he's the one. Never he told o neil that he had told no one about the Massia's homicide and I'm sorry his wife knew about the homicide. Well, then he would lie. He O'Neil will know that he lied, so he never really retaliates against his wife. At one point in the investigation, his wife calls him up and she says, look, I have a a pager number or a US attorney. I want you to call it. And at the time he knew that that she was really

in cooperating. The FEDS were involved, and he got so upset he said, no, true, she don't do it. He began to vomiting because he knew then that he's likely going to go away for a long time and that his wife had been cooperating the whole time, providing informations

to FEDS. So there's an interesting story. But how this one woman really uh really caused a lot of trouble for the outlaws, and that how she was more or less trusted to be in this inner circle uh and provided a lot of information to the federal government that were used. Really the analyst at the indictments nineteen ninety seven.

also included members from Illinois, Illinois and Indiana. And all these guys were facing twenty five to life. So tell us what that pressure does to most of these guys and who decide to plead guilty and who don't tell us more about this huge initiative, this fifty one page indictment. Finally, the nooses around the next of the outlaws tell us about that.

And also a person who wasn't indicted but was there was quin Our Crash Quint who provided testimony He would end up warring a wire when he got out of jail too. Most of the damning testimony was offered by either audio recording electronic recordings. They were members of the Outlaws themselves, and so the five rolled the dice. They figured they had nothing to lews decided to go to trial. Trial lasted about six six or seven weeks and all five were found guilty. Really the ones that really a

media and the judge kind of looked at harshly. The most squirre O'Neil and the sentening judge at the time, JP scad Miller. He said he had in his time as a federal judge, he had never seen anyone who'd score so high in the US see guideline the thirty five is meant to get a life sentence. Oh neil scored fifty one, even got more than the leader of the Milwaukee mafia at the mid eighties scored higher as

far as Randall Miller. The judge told him that he was richly deserving the death penalty and that Miller committed crimes that you only see like in a third world country. Ironically, he was spared of death penalty, not because of the judge because Milwaukee. The federal prosecutor in the Eastern District, wiscons at the time, Thomas Schneider, he was a person didn't believed the death penal and he promised not to charge anybody with any crimes as the results of death

penalty inside the Eastern District in Wisconsin. So Miller, I'm getting life out to O'Neill and they're still locked up.

chapters in the chapter in Milwaukee. Well, just prior of the indictments coming down, the all Laws recognize that Milwaukee chapters gonna be it pretty hard. They started establishing outposts around the state. Now we have all lot of chapters in Green Bay, Milwaukee, Jamesville, Peotia, state Line, Madison, Lacrosse, and Eau Claire. If you look at Wisconsin, it kind of makes a big u around the whole state because Wisconsin is one of the few states where there's no

Hells Angels presence. There's Hells Angels in Minnesota, There's Hells Angels in Illinois, but not Wisconsin. This is more or less the out Laws last stand in Wisconsin as far as the Midwest coast. So the chapters are still there, they're still active. Part of the problem, though, they really kind of nipped the problem in the butt with the Outlaws was the passage of the USA Patriotarch for all its problems to search and seizure and kind of trampling

the Fourth Amendment. One of the really good things of the Patriot Act was that it took a strong position on the use of explosives. For a person who puts the pipe bomb outside of house down someone's injured, that's a fifteen year minimum. If someone's it's twenty five years the life or death. And so the all Laws love they use explosives. That was their signature, and so they use of the Patriarch is really newter in that respect.

The clubs are still out there. Read some of the recent literature out there by the former leader of the Chicago chapter. He claims that there's a lack of testastrum within the Outlaws and that Hell's Angels are in the process of taking him over in Illinois because they're more tech savvy. Dude is more trendy, and that he predicts it's going to be either another war with the Hell's Angels or the out Laws and become a second class in Illinois. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

But still going on, it's still there. The leader of the All Laws claims that the federal indictments of all these club members and how much time you got has really been a deterrent from more criminal activity.