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with great authors discussing their fine books. I'll be speaking this evening about a few things of interest, the latest update on the Sydney tyrheuse appeal, what transpired at court and the final verdict on that story at least so far.

And I'll be talking about the very best books that I had the pleasure of reading this year and doing interviews and just stressed it to go back and to listen to those interviews just to content alone and really my objective is to get you to buy some of these books, because get you to read some of these books. Go to your library if they should have these Get these books one way or another. Get to read these books,

one way or another. And I'm going to be talking about some of my favorites from this year that I had the pleasure of some I highly anticipated book I'm going to talk about called on the Farm for American viewers, it's about the Robert Willie Picton and it's from an author that you might not be familiar with. Her name

is Stevie Cameron. This is her second book about Robert Picton, one of the worst serial killers ever, one of the most bizarre, incredibly interesting and disturbing stories that you'll ever ever read, and very very well written. Actually, Gary C. King also wrote a book about the subject called Rage that you can at least get on. You can order as an ebook and it was released in late two

thousand and eight. Stevie Cameron had written a book about Canada's Prime Minister and was more of a corporate business true crime reporter, we'll say, and she found this case so fascinating and interesting she felt compelled to spend the great deal of the last four or five six years working on this project to two books about Robert Willie Pickton. Also want to talk about some upcoming shows in the new year, and I apologize for not having a fresh show this week and a fresh show next week on

the twenty ninth. I may have an encore program on the twenty ninth, but I wanted to speak to people that have been my dedicated and devoted followers for the last year. And some people came on board a little bit later, and some people came on right from the very beginning to be listening to this program. So I appreciate the people listening and sharing the program with other people. There have been some great reviews on other sites as well talking about the true Crime podcast for those avid

true crime fans. I want to talk about programs in the new year. We have on January fifth coming up, Evil next Door, The Untold Story of a Killer Undone by DNA by an author named Amanda Lamb. And Amanda Lamb has written as author of another tru crime book called Deadly Dose and Evil next Door The Untold Story of a Killer Undone by DNA with Amanda Lamb, and that's January fifth, and apparently on May twenty first, two thousand and two, twenty three year old Raleigh, North Carolina

resident Stephanie Bennett was found murdered in her apartment. Despite ample DNA evidence of the scene, investigators could find no matches in their criminal databases. Two years into the investigation, however, Detective Ken Copeland, known as the garbage Van for leaving no stone unturned in his search for evidence, and his

partner Jackie Taylor, joined the case. After culling through the entire file with fresh eyes and re interviewing witnesses, they re released a description of a suspect neighbors had seen nearby, a man who'd once lived just next door to the murder scene. But the suspect refused to hand over DNA sample, wiping down anything he touched, and even planning decoy samples.

This is the gripping story of how a team of aggressive detectives doggedly tracked down a killer under suspicion for a killing spreed of investigators believe might have spent years in cross state lines, and finally brought closure to an innocent young woman's grieving family. And I had mentioned amandalam is also the author of Deadly Dose, covers the crime beat for WRLTV, one of the country's top CBS affiliates in Raleigh, North Carolina. So I'm looking forward to that

interview with her on January fifth. On January twelfth, we have my special guest will be Jay Patrick O'Connor. He runs a excellent true crime site. If you haven't seen this yet, it's called Crime Magazine. J Patrick O'Connor is the editor and contributing author as well. He has this excellent true crime site and it has excerpted stories, so you get to read a lot more than just say the little blurb that I read from the back of Amanda Lamb's book, but you get a better picture of

what has actually gone on the story. I would say around five thousand words. I am featured on Crime Magazine as well as many authors and many stories ranging from Charlie Manson to all kinds of stories. And one of the stories that's also featured on Crime Magazine is j Patrick O'Connor has written a book, The Framing of Momaya Abu Jamal and this gentleman is an American originally born Wesley Cook, who changed his name in University. He's born

in nineteen fifty four an American living in Philadelphia. He was convicted and sentenced to death for the December ninth, nineteen eighty one murder of Philadelphia police officer Daniel Faulkner. Mumaya Abu Jamal has been described as perhaps the best known death row prisoner in the world, and his sentence is one of the most debated sentences to this day. Before his arrest, he was an activist, a radio journalist, and at the time of his rest, a part time

cab driver. He was also a member of the Black Panther Party until October seventy and he did He worked at a minority owned radio station and gave the voice. He was called the voice of the voiceless. He gave a lot of time to cases he felt were cases

of discrimination or police brutality or those kinds of cases. Anyway, he was convicted and JP Patrick O'Connor has written the Definitive book about Mumi Abu Jamal and his fight for through his appeals his activism mentioned that he was an activist and as involved in with the Black Panthers and his education and his journalism career and how that could have all been involved in what he considers the framing of Abu Jamalso, there have been many celebrities and many

people have come forward in his defense over the years. Once they've reviewed the case, we will hear the defendantive story about what exactly happened, why he was considered a suspect in the first place, why we can should consider him not a suspect, and why he is innocent, and we will hear all about that from j Patrick O'Connor. And in the meantime, please check out his excellence True Crime. It's a real must for true crime fans. Crime magazine

just Crime magazine, so that's an online magazine. On January nineteenth, I have the great pleasure of a story that even though I reside in Canada, I did not know of. This story that's happened in one of our provinces here British Columbia on the West coast, including Vancouver. This was a story of a sixteen year old boy named Martin.

His last named Martin, and I won't be doing justice to the story, but roughly the story is that he was waiting for a skytrain above ground high speed rail and a woman approached him and wanted his crucifix, and

he did not want to give up this crucifix. What did transpire was that she had the assistance of a gentleman or boyfriend, or a gentleman or a friend, and she had given him a piece of jagged glass, broken glass, and had told this person that the young man had threatened her or tried to stab her, and that was

the impetus for this man going and slitting this boy's throat. Now, typically you would have law enforcements, sometimes the district attorney, sometimes independent journalists and freelance journalists or journalists associated with reputable newspapers or radio programs or television writing about the case, and then interviewing family members and victims, and sometimes the perpetrator,

or a combination of all of those things. This book that we're going to be talking about is called The Last Six Minutes, A Mother's Loss and Quest for Justice by Sandra Martin's Toner and Matthew's killers have been tried, convicted, and sentence, but Sandra Martin's Toner and her family cannot escape their grief and their overwhelming sense of loss, and they have channeled their anguish into affirmative action for victims.

The Last six Minutes is the true account of the random and violent murder of sixteen year old Matthew Martin's and his family's journey through the Canadian criminal justice system. Now the family is faced with the killer's appeal and the torment perhaps being subjected to another, yet another lengthy

trial now for parents, she says. Asandra Martin's Toner is the founder and executive director of Families Against Crime and Trauma FACT, an organization born as a result of the random and senseless murder of her sixteen year old son. Sandra now works tirelessly to help others that have lost the loved one to a violent crime. Here articles appear

regularly magazines and online publications across Canada. Sandra has witnessed first hand the imbalance in the Canadian justice system at leaves it's time to see the rights of the victim supersede those of the offenders. And Martin's Toner with her book The Last Six Minutes and I wanted to I'm proud to say as well that my book Trophy Killed The Shall We Dance Murder have been nominated for the Top thirty True Crime Books by Kim Cantrell and her

staff at True Crime Book Reviews. So I was very privileged to meet Kim Cattrell and to have actually had her on one of my programs talking about her site and True Crime Book Reviews, and also she reviewed my book, and I was very very pleased with her assessment of the book and her description of the book and very detailed, very comprehensive book reviews True Crime Book Reviews that she

even has a fictional Friday. So she does an incredible job in covering some classic true crime books, some well known authors and not so well known authors. She gives everybody a shot. She can be very skating in her assessment of some people's books, but I think that's what gives her the real air of legitimacy and real confidence when you go to True Crime Book Reviews that if you're going to read a book, you're going to know what you're going to be buying, what you're going to

be getting before you buy it. Courtesy of Kim Cattrell. At True Crime Book Reviews, you get a really good idea of whether you want, if you're interested in the book or not. She states a really good case on why you should get these books and what is it about them that's so interesting or so different, or so something that she hasn't seen before, Because we all know we're looking for something a little bit different each time we have shed our naivity a little bit and we

get to read books. I don't say that are worse, but we are looking for very interesting stories, and there are a lot of great authors out there with a lot of great stories. It's just nice to have a site they can tell you, listen, this is something you might want to check out. So that's a really good thing that she was nominated with this book. The last six minutes. So we're going to have Sandra Martin's Toner on January nineteenth. After that, we're going to have a

host of other authors. I just don't know the order. I'm looking at a fair amount of books that have come out. I want to have Burl Bear back on. Burl Bear is a true crime author. He has about six true crime books under his belt. His latest is Fatal Beauty and Mom Said Kill. He has a broken doll and h just the other books don't.

Bear just a great guest. I'm going to have him back on with one of the moms said killed and fatal Beauty. It probably have him on a couple of times this year because he is just a fantastic guest. But check out his program Burl Bear and Don Woolman every week from Los Angeles. Just out sign Los Angeles and it's fantastic show and has all the best guests, all kinds of different true crime authors that appear on his program. And each week he has a great program.

And it's a Saturday afternoon so check that out. But it's of course on demand archived. Dislike this program, so you can listen to it any old time you feel like it. So check out True Crime Uncensored and of course true Crime book reviews. Okay, So I wanted to also talk about just for those people who would like to know. In my book True Crime of par Trophy Killed, the Shall We Dance Murder talked of the notorious now

notorious suspected serial killer Sidney Teerhughes. Sidney Tierhughes. I had been waiting since May twenty first of this year for the verdict on Sidney Teerhues's appeal, which was filed in January of two thousand and nine. So when I was the decision was reserved for three months or pardon me. The decision was reserved by three judges pardon me, on

at the date of May twenty first. Sometimes they make a decision, sometimes it's a month or two, and after three or four months, especially around that time, I began thinking that maybe the authority the judge, maybe at the urging and prompting of the defense lawyer, who really has never had anybody interfere, we'll say in a trial, I think, humiliate him in front of his comrades and now forever, and he may believe I'm trying to humiliate him, and I am trying to expose him in the book by

having the transcripts, by having the first interview when he didn't know I was speaking with his client when I had certain amount of information at my disposal, and I think it would be quite ironic when you read the interview. So this my effort to defeat him his client, humiliate him, interfere with the trial, show him up. Anyway. I thought maybe that he would try to use this book, and I think I thought that's what the extra time was

being used for, was to examine my book. And I don't know if they didn't do that, but nevertheless, in just a few weeks ago. Quietly, it didn't make much media fanfare whatsoever that the appeal was denied, dismissed, and there'll be no more further trials, so at least for the part of my book where my book concludes with his appeal, and I predict that his lawyer may use my book to try in some way to try to acquire another trial for his client. I said, I'm not

sure if that ever happened. I just know that it's finally over. I'm feeling a little bit better that they didn't give them another trial. I did, really, I wasn't so worried. I mean, I think that there would have been much more of a spotlight on this book. And

it's not so much the book this case. That's still my primary focus is to have people understand this case, Americans and Canadians, because really, we took the death penalty away not that many years ago, and we've come a long way since then to lessening the magnitude of murder and to the horror of victims and their families, like the Sandra Martin Toner's sixteen year voice throw a slit for a crucifix. I haven't read the book yet, I've

read some reviews on it, that's all I know. But all I know is that the impact of the judicial system is almost as scary and shocking as the impact of the murder itself. I'm not saying that that I know from experience that the victims in America feel much better after going through a trial or going through the

process there either. But I think we just do have a system that has really In my book, the first quote I quote from a governor general, one of the highest officials in the country, and this is under we have two party system usually, but we have another further left wing party called the New Democratic Party. But normally we have the liberals in power more so than the conservatives in power. So you're Democrats versus Republicans, if you

were to look at it that way. The Liberals, as the name implies, or going to be liberal in their lawmaking. But this is from Canada's Lister General, Jean Pierre Goer on October seventh, nineteen seventy one, and that's why I felt I felt important to include this as a quote at the very beginning of my book. We have decided from now on to stress the rehabilitation of individuals rather than protection of society and create a more relaxed atmosphere.

This new policy will probably involve some risk. That's nineteen seventy one. By two thousand and three we have the incredible murder of Robin Robert Greene by Sidney Tierhuse, And by two thousand and three, at least I know, and at least Sidney Tierhues knows, and at least the people that are in the legal know that we have really advanced with that idea. A triple murder that I spoke

about last week. I had a homicide homicide detective, head of homicide detective talking about a triple murder where somebody was coming for someone else he escaped out the window. Instead, the wife and two as he called babies were shot point blank by this killer and his accomplice was with him. Now, this killer a triple first degree murder. You know, in America you have laws that would ensure likely that somebody that did that type of crime would never see the

light of day. In many states, you would have the death penalty, whether they put them to death quickly or eventually or not at all. They're in a cell by themselves on death row, awaiting technically this death sentence. We've taken the death sentence away. I'm not sure the timeframe of that any if you can see in a relatively short period of time and a generation or so, a triple murderer is being prepared for release into the community.

In Canada, triple murderer first degree murder would have shot four people, which said a husband and wife and two little kids, point blank because he was angry. So it's again, it's not a dry tone on the Canadian judicial system. It's just you just get a whole by virtue of

the story itself. And when I read the transcript, it was I found them fascinating because I had never attended a murder trial before, and I had thought I understood a murder trial because of course I listened and read or listened to the news and want and read the newspapers.

But I had the opportunity to be involved with a very interesting case, a very fascinating and amazing case where the killer takes the stand, where I take the stand against the prosecuting attorney or pardon me, the defense attorney, and you get to read every word of this. Every word in this I've obviously edited down because it'd be much longer, would be a size of the phone book, but all the relevant interesting aspects were left in from

those transcripts. And it's for those who think it's much like law and order, it's not anything like law and order whatsoever. Now I'm going to use this opportunity to talk about Trophy Hill just a little bit. And I wanted to mention as well that steadily the story is

getting out. It's amazing to me that being in a city of the size of seven hundred thousand people, with the national news coverage for three weeks while the trial was on for a week while the crime actually had occurred, and other dates where stories about orgon removal and cannibalism and all kinds of stories that made national and international headlines. Not every newspaper in the US, but a lot numerous celebrity sites Richard Gere, Susan Surrander, Jennifer Lopez, the Shall

We Dance Movie celebrity sites that that's their business. These stories, brief accounts were on these sites when the trial happened. National news television CTV and newspapers, and whether our national broadcaster was there or not, they picked up the news feed or the story from the Winnipeg Free Press or the Winnipeg Sun, and those stories were carried to almost

every city in Canada. Yet when I am doing a signing at Chapters, which is the biggest bookstore in Canada, very much like Amazon, people have not even heard about this story. So it is a fascinating It's been a fascinating journey for me to realize that this is almost like a brand new story to these people that live in in Winnipeg. They have no idea even though it was prominent in the newspapers for that period of time. There seems to be some disconnect between people who read

books and people who read newspapers. Are It's very interesting how we treat these types of stories in the media in the first place. In a city like Winnipeg, which is known as the murder Capital, rough and tumble town, older city, poor er city, so we have we're very much like Chicago. We're called the Chicago the North and

we're comparative in a lot of ways. Maybe I don't want to take anything away from Chicago, but we just have some similarities and I can say that, you know, when we compare it to other cities in Canada, we have our fair share of notoriety. We'll say that, and again not to say anything bad and disparaging against Chicago, but so anyway, that's what I'm getting doing these signings. The response has been very you know, people are amazed when you give them just even a brief account of

some of the facts of this. And I think as part of it is like again that they had not even heard about this, that they're unaware of the story and instituitality. So but the book is selling well and more importantly getting really good reviews, and that's what's most important. It is a little bit pricey. It's eighteen dollars in the US. A lot of people been going, geez, that's

a lot of money. All I can say is that I don't think authors are making enough money, and I think that some of the information needs to be My books that you can get in Canada used a perfect minding, so the books look a little bit i'd say better, you know, a little bit better quality. I've got four hundred pages in my book, so it is. It's chalk full of information. This is a six x nine the Amazon version and the Canadian version is five by eight, and the Amazon version is not got the nice sat

and finished cover. But the cover looks great and the book looks really good and it and again, I think that it's would be very interesting to anybody that wants to know about I think this new league of serial killer. I think we've had a BTK that was operating. You know, some thirty years ago. We talk about Zodiac Killer, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, we talk about John Wayne Gacy. Even though

Bernardo Homalka cases now fairly old. We're getting into twenty years, so some of the most notorious serial killers have already occurred. The Obviously they're getting guys that have done ten, twelve, eight and finally catching up to them after a few years. A lot of these people seem to have some psychological disturbances, certainly to have the kind of serial killer. When we talk about charisma, it's we're talking about.

get to read about. You get to see my journey through the my just my total involvement, but mostly what you do get to see that, you know, I think the big prize of this book, the very very unique aspect of this book is Sidney Teerhuse's own words and his own drawings, which become the crucial evidence that trial. By the way, so it's not extreneous. It's not. It's relevant, and it is deadly relevant to this whole book, So it's not included as a lot of people purport to

do all the shocking photos. Every you know, every true crime book claims to have shocking photos, but obviously when you go to the middle of the book, what's shocking about those photos? So we all know there's nothing shocking about those photos. And lots of times the books are oversold in terms of the shock or the uniqueness, or everybody comparing the book to in Cold Blood, which is fine. You know, there are some books with some real parallels

doing cold Blood. But like my program likes to talk about from the very first program, we tried to do and this is very hard to do because a lot of these books are about cases that are quite old, and I found out, you know, I found out soon enough that these were the hardest authors to contact so that they would do another interview about their book that

they had written twenty years before. Some of these books were not so much in print, or let's put it this way, there wasn't so much motivation for either the publisher or the author to really come on my program and talk about it. But despite that, we covered the BTK, we covered Ted Bundy, we touched on Jeffrey Dahmer and the Cannibal Killers. We talked about Alien Warno's and lethal

Intent with Sue Russell. I had Don Lassner and we talked about Die for Me, which was Leonard Lake and Charles In, Charles ng the Notorious Dungeon Masters, the guys that and just an incredible story, Die for Me by Jim Fielder. And you see that book that's been around

for years. It's a scary book. It's the Leonard Lake's favorite book was called The Collector by Steve Fowls, I believe, and anyway, a classic that was made into a movie about a man who collects butterflies and then when he wins inherents some money that he has this plot to build a special dungeon in his home in the basement, a hidden seller of sorts, a dungeon and collect this woman that he had been admiring. And he does do that.

And the book is fictional, and it's written from the perspective of the collector, the psychopathic, the psychopath, and then it reverts to the perspective of the captive. But the book is very tame. It's written in the fifties, I believe, and it's in tame in comparison to what Leonard Lake and Charles ng imagine in their minds to do. And so it's they take the collector and take it to extreme levels. So it's it's, uh, you know, it's it's

it's an extreme story. So it's not that I live for Gore, but I if I'm interested in the deviant mind, the psychopathic mind, then I have less interest in the person that has a organic brain disorder, or the person is more remorseful or is remorseful or pretends to be remorseful. I gravitate towards Jeffrey Dahmer story. The stats story was just incredible. Everything that happened near the cops that could

have had and arrest much sooner. That's all part of the stories of the most fascinating stories are how not to beat up on the cops, but how you know Ted Bundy escapes from prison from from custody. A couple of times the police could have should have arrested Paul Bernardo.

Just didn't you know a disconnect between different jurisdictions, the ego of different jurisdictions the ineptitudes sometimes of police forces, the skepticism of police believing certain victims because they happen to do drugs or happened to be prostitutes, the apathy that seems to be very very prevalent in most stories about the public or the media is still using the word hooker. Who's forcing the media to use the word hooker? No one? So why do we still have the blame

of being put on a victim? So sorry I went off a little bit of a tangent there, But what I've tried to do is do a lot of stories that are to combine a lot of these things, all these confluence. Obviously, there has to be a convergence, a confluence of events that occurs that a person can rack up forty nine victims. You know, Robert Willie Pickton thirty two or thirty three, but they suspected forty nine. Gacy had thirty three that they found, Bundy had almost a dozen,

and other that they were suspected. You know, the Green River killer, he was forty nine. There is It's incredible that there has to be some police ineptitude. There has to be some communication between different jurisdictions, police forces. There has to be people that know something but didn't put everything together. Some people, it's even more disturbing and shocking when you have a psychopathic killer finds a partner, A psychopathic killer finds a partner that's a wife. A psychopathic

partner utilizes their daughter. A psychopathic partner has followers. A psychopathic killer goes to prison and has a legion of groupies, a legion of followers. Now we have Sidney Tierhus who mentions extensively Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Zodiac Killer, and in one of his favorites Dennis Nielsen Nilsen, which is like the British Jeffrey Dahmer hung around with his bodies, very much like a necrofile like Jeffrey Dahmer, and around with his bodies, doing stuff with them, trying to keep them

a weird thing like that. But Sidney takes I guess, influences from a few of these people, because not only did he commit this incredible murder basically very careful autopsy of this dismemberment of this human being, but with the display of the human being with all of the organs minus all of the organs, it is Jack the Ripper and beyond. Even Jack the Ripper didn't do that type of display. There has never been anyone that has created

this horror spectacle like Sidney Tierhuse left for police. None of the organs there, all of them gone, the body washed, the body cut into eight pieces, decapitated, disemboweled, arms at the elbows, legs at the knees, castrated, and then re crudely reassembled, staged, posed for police to find, and calm and cool as a cucumber during the whole approaching police.

Then coming back to the hotel room, they noted that then submits the interviews right away, smiling for photographers and then looking for a journalist to tell his whole story. And then I came along, checked the stand, said some things. All he wanted someone to do was put some of the pieces together. He wanted to talk, but he didn't want to go to prison for the rest of his life. He knows that if he admitted to everything, he might

go to prison for the rest of his life. Even despite everything he's written, everything that he has drawn, everything he has said on the stand, everything that he was

convicted of, there are still other murders. It's just unequivocal Nobody in the history of any murders has committed this type of murder at this level if you include the things that I just mentioned, the actual murder, autopsy, dismemberment, dissection, mutilation, necrophilia, then display posing the calm approach of police, the interviews, the smiling faces, the contacting people telling them what he had actually done, the glee, the enjoyment of reliving the

fame that he was so desperately needed and wanted. And I found out the incredible reason why Susan Sarandon's jewelry was there. What did it have to do with this murder? Well, we found out that the victim stole the jewelry, and then we found out he was trying to sell the jewelry,

and that's how we met Sidney Teerhuse. No, Sidney Cheerhus does a great job of saying of downplaying the entire jewelry and its role, because that's the last thing he wanted to do was to tell police that once he had possession of the jewelry, that's when he ended his reign of horror. No, he wanted to make it a puzzle. Am I a serial killer? Which serial killer do you think I really am. Do you think I have the

characteristics of a serial? And then he does quotes like well, when you kill, when you kill someone, and when a body dies. This is an embarrassment to the Canadian judicial system. That's what this book is. I'm not getting any help selling this from our national media. This is a criticism of the system, the prosecution, the defense. Our hands are tied there, handcuffed. We can't do anything this person. My fight is to have this person never released from prison.

And when you read this, you'll say there's no way they're going to release I wouldn't bet any money on it. I certainly don't know how how they're going to do it. But are they going to allow me, an author who's looking for publicity, who's used the media before, who's wagged a dog before, to get attention to this story? Are

they gonna let me be at that parole hearing. I wouldn't bet on it, but I'm gonna pound the pavement to make sure that people realize in this country he's up for parole in eighteen years, that this person should not get out of prison ever, and people like him should not get out of prison ever. We've went from the death penalty to no consecutive sentencing, meaning that if you have three or five or forty nine murders, you

still have a parole hearing. Unbelievably, unless you can be proven a rapist, then you can't even be considered a dangerous offender, which would mean an indeterminate prison sentence. It's incredible. Anyway. That's the book Trophy Killed, The Shall We Dance Murder? The Trial Revelations of a Psychopathic Killer. It's got some good reviews to go to true crime book reviews, and maybe it's the book for you. Maybe it's that one

book that you're looking for you hadn't heard. Of course, if you're in America, you figured, geez, we got all the serial killers, all the interesting serial killers, all the serial killers we need. Hey, we're greatly influenced by you, guys.

We're fascinated by your culture. And this is a case of a real deviant mind being influenced by all the famous serial killers of all time and taking a little bit from this person, a little bit from that person, and realizing, you know, it's people need to be a little more sensational these days to get noticed. And did he get noticed? Like I say, though it really is an indication when people have not even heard about this story here, despite all the publicity, despite the front page news,

despite the TV coverage, despite the story. It's like being in London and not hearing about Jack the Ripper, or being in Los Angeles never hearing about Charles Manson. Incredible. Anyway, I did promise to talk about some other books other than my own, and I apologize again. I wanted to talk about some of the books that were really over and beyond a great read, and some of the authors

were just a fascinating interview as well. You go way back to June and there was an interview with Corey Mitchell and his book Savage Son, and he claims that this book is one of the most difficult to write because the serial killer just was so evil and it SAPs so much energy from Corey just to be able to do this book. And anyway, Savage Son. So if you go back in the archives you will see Savage Son. It was in June, i believe sometime, and it was

a great interview. Corey Mitchell's a veteran radio guy as well. He had a program on blog Talk Radio. He edited it and had everything to do with In Cold Blog, which was an excellent again another true crime must for true crime fans. In Cold Blog there seems to be some transitionary evolution of the site, even though Corey's doesn't

seem to be involved. So I expect that the In Cold Blog will is if it already hasn't become something already which is akin to the same great service of In Cool Blog, basically talking and promoting worthy books from true crime authors, talking about interesting stories that will be of interest to true crime fans. So that was a

savage son by Corey Mitchell, great read. I did want to go back to Slow Death from Jim Fielder, but Jim Fielder only wrote the one book, and I spoke to him personally quite a bit, and it did affect his personal life in a negative way. He did get a lot of responses from people that felt that he was in the wrong somehow by writing the book that

he did. I don't see that myself personally, but again I have got that from a fair amount authors and even from Kim Katrella to true crime book reviews, that a lot of people believe that any involvement will help promote these criminals and promote their crimes, and Kim and

Cantrell and I spoke about it. It seemed nonsensical that we would be criticized for this by whereas fictional writers and people who are fans of fictional writing, I seem to get a carte blanche on being able to talk about any kind of subject and not being fine or writing about any subject and that being fine. And I think that people just misunderstand the way why I do read true crime, I think, and why she certainly reads true crime, is that we're on a certain side of

the law. We don't feel much sympathy for killers. Of course, we could feel some empathy for the perpetrator, but a whole lot less than we would for the victim and the family, regardless of their social and economic socioeconomic situation, or their status, or their where they work or whatever for they do. So I think people just mis understand and where we're coming from and why we would write a review or read true crime at all. And I

think that there's just some people to misunderstand that. So Jim Fielder really wrote a great book and that's why it's still sitting in the bookstores now. It's called Slow Death. It's about David Ray Parker and I talked about sometimes when these killers employ their own daughters or their own family to do their evil deeds, and that's what had

happened in this case. And he's another guy that built a special, specially designed, expensive bunker with the purpose of enslaving a woman or women, many women, and torturing, killing, and he had a partner as well and employed his daughter.

It's an amazing story. One of those stories where one of the scenes in this book, and if you could just conjure it up in your mind, whether you despite not seeing any kind of visual is that a woman escaped naked, running after being held tortured and raped, with a big metal dog chain around her neck, running through a trailer court, banging furiously on a woman's door to be let in, and luckily the woman let her in

and call police. Meanwhile, the perpetrator and cohorts, a couple of them, were in a big car moving slowly through the trailer park looking for so the horror I mean, I don't have to read fiction anymore. I just read true crime, and that's horrifying and scary and it's everything I need and wrapped up on in One's a lot of people say, well, I don't read true crime, and I say, well, you know, all it would take is the you know, any of the classics. Jack Olsen was

just amazing. He just his writing talent was incredible. And then rule obviously rules true crime with twenty five or twenty six and all these short story anthologies. And and she's a great lady and a great interview and very generous and doing it for and started off as a cop. And her very first book, Stranger Beside Me, is about her her incredible involvement in the Ted Bundy case and her involvement to Ted Bundy as a friend. And I mean, that's that's one of the books that will get you.

I don't care if you think you're not a true crime a reader. You read a book like Stranger Beside Me. You read a book like the Creation of a serial Killer. You read you Know, on the Farm by Stevie Cameron, You read Carla by Stephen Williams about the Bernardo Hamalka case. You read the other one. Oh jeez, it's beyond darkness. No pardon me, oh, I apologize for this. It's the other book by Stephen Williams with the title Darkness in it.

But Bernardo and Hamalka and the incredible book that's more about Carla Hamalka and his correspondence with her, and it's called Carla. And these books will scare the of Jesus out of you. I mean, I don't read Canadian stories usually, but when you have the stories of the magnitude of Carla Hamalka and Paul Bernardo, Clifford Olson, the child killer, ten children killed and he gave up the bodies for

one hundred thousand dollars, another fascinating story. This guy is still cackling and taunting the police and authorities and government and the families from behind I'm prison bars. You have Robert Willie Picton, the millionaire pig farmer feeding his victims to pigs, slaughtering on his farm, skulls cut in half,

and buckets and hands and fingers. And the r CMP, the police that worked these operations, asking people who had received packages of frozen hamburger and pork meat to bring them back to the RCMP because they needed to be tested for human DNA. It's an You don't get crazier stories than the Clifford Olsen story, the Paul Bernardo, Karl Malka, Robert Willie Picton. You don't get worst killers than this, and Sydney Tierhuse has to be included in that list.

And all of those people have been included except Sydney Tierho. So that is my I've contacted Crime Library, I've contacted Catherine Ramsland. There are I'm because I think it's from Canada, you know, I mean, I understand the bias in America, bigger cities, more notorious killers, more high profile. But Sidney two Hues has to be included in with the most

infamous killers of all time. He just has to because of what he has written, because of the way his mind works, and because of the incredible murder and murders. This story is not finished. I have approached authorities in Toronto. I try to use a major author to facilitate the reinterview of Sidney Tuo Hughes about other murders. I have made some preliminary steps in America as well. Again, I

think they have enough cases themselves. Even if you were to test DNA, even if I were to listen to what I have to say it you know, a well known profiler, we'd still have some issues. Basically investigating the cases of somebody. The victims just not very well known, not so important, likely aboriginal, likely homosexual, likely from no buddies, family that cared so much, you know, the very least important people in society, it seems when they go to

look at certain cases. But I still have faith that I can be successful, and that's all. I'll just leave it at that. But anyway, we have a few minutes. I'm hoping that no one called while we were doing the program, because then I would you wouldn't have heard me rambling for the entire hour. But it looks like we didn't have any callers, or at least anybody had hung around to listen to what I had to say

or ask any questions. So we've got about three minutes, and I wanted to wish everybody a very happy holidays despite your situation. I hope this program gives you a little bit of relief from what or gives you a little bit of enjoyment in your day or your week. And I hope you please stay tuned for more and more great programs from great authors talking about their fascinating

and interesting books. And I want to thank people, as I wrote in my show description that have been about seventy five thousand people who have downloaded programs in the last three months, and that's very, very encouraging. A lot of those people going to iTunes to do that listening at their own convenience. There are more and more live listeners, but still obviously people are trained and do appreciate getting to listen to the program on their own timetable, being

able to listen to them whenever they want. I wanted, just in the next three minutes to continue with a couple more books than programs that they should check out. We've had the book Shattered by Catherine Casey. That was a very good interview. The just a recent one if you missed it at all, but it is in the middle of the night with Brian McDonald. The guy is a great speaker. Sometimes I get people on and you notice that they dominate the conversation, and that's fine. I

understand how authors. If there is going to be somebody who's going to hog the conversation, it's going to be an author. And I know that, you know, I understand that Brian McDonald really has written a great book. I mean, it's just again there's there's really good writers. There's good writers, and there's really good writers. And sometimes the story itself and sometimes the style that that author picks for that

particular book just makes for a really gripping read. Rather, you know, some read some books are written better than others. Some read a little bit better. But I think the main criteria is that some of the stories are just more compelling. And again that's what the author does, picks the great stories, or the publisher says, hey, we've got this great story, why don't you tackle it, why don't you cover it? So in the Middle of the Night

by Brian McDonald incredible. What a lot of people listen to their program was Luggage by Luggage by Kroger by Gary Taylor. He called it a true crime memoir. Kind of interesting, very interesting guest as well, The Profiler with Pat Brown. Very interesting case. You know, just unlikely person to become a serial killer and understanding serial killers in psychopaths or life hunting serial killers and side go past

the profile of a path round. You know, great great book, unlikely person Kevin Ball, very fascinating story how she did become involved. Another book to come out for the Definitive, The Bundy Murders, A comprehensive history by mister Sutherland, and it's a great book, The Bundy Murders Kevin Sullivan. The Bundy Murders a Comprehensive History. And another book that was a little bit out of the norm for us is Murdering the High Himalaya Jonathan Green, Loyalty, Tragedy, Escape from Tibet.

So just go back into the archives and listen to some of the programs that you missed, because all of them were really good and interesting and fascinating in different ways. And I want to thank you for listening this evening. If you did did you did bother to hang around for the whole hour, I thank you and I sorry for you at the same time. But join me again on the twenty nine I'll open up the lines and see if anybody calls in. I'll have some more interesting

information and or an encore program. But join me especially in January fifth for brand new programs, and stay tuned in twenty eleven while we ramp up the heat by bringing in more the most shocking killers in true crime history and the fascinating authors that have written about them. I want to thank you very much. Have a good evening. I'll see you next time.