TRUE CRIME CHRONICLES-Volume 2-Mike Rothmiller

and Jack the Kisser have in common? They were all subjects of true crime newspaper reporting in the eighteen hundreds, and now these stories and that of many others, are brought together in their original form in a two volume set True Crime Chronicles, Serial Killers, Outlaws and Justice, Real crime stories from the eighteen hundreds, compiled and commented on by New York Times bestselling author and former detective Mike Rothmiller.

These classic works of journalism resurrect astonishing stories that will take the reader on a fascinating journey back in time to when these horrific tales mesmerized a nation. Some may find these articles and their descriptions of people and crimes shocking by today's standards, but they are representative of the

most colorful true crime stories of the day. True Crime Chronicles Volume two include stories about Billy the Kidd, Jesse James, the Legendary, Jack the Ripper, Lizzie Halliday, Anna, Marie Swanzigger, Jack the Haircutter, Butch Cassidy, and the Sundance Kid, the Nebraska Murderer, and many more. Shocking stories follow along as these reporters from another century visit the crime scenes, interview witnesses, and pen the stories of murder, evil and swift frontier justice.

The book that we're featuring this evening is True Crime Chronicles Volume two, Serial Killers, Outlaws and Justice, Real crime stories from the eighteen hundreds, with my special guest journalist and author and true crime historian Mike Rothmiller. Welcome back to the program, and thank you so much for this interview. Mike Rothmiller.

mesmerized the country at the time. So I decided to bring those forward, resurrect those stories as they were written, because I couldn't do a better job describing it. And if I did, on some of these serial killers, people would say, well, jeez, that that sounds crazy. How do you notice, Well, this is from the reporters who were there at the scene and attended the trials and the

lynchings and everything, so it was first hand information. In some cases it ends up being witnessed testimony, and it's just absolutely fascinating the detail they get into what they were able to cover. In what I'm speaking of. Then, when I was a detective, there are certain things that you told the press, but you held back a lot.

In these stories, nothing was held back they talked about the type of crime, the injuries, They described them in great detail, to the victims, They described the weapons used, where the bodies were found, how they were found, and ones that were mutilated how they're mutilated. So it's a fascinating read. It gets into a great deal of detail that people just don't read today unless it's in a novel somewhere. But you certainly would not read that type

of information in a newspaper today. So with that in mind, I decided to keep the stories as they were written and then provide a commentary from my perspective about these stories and why they were significant or what made them very very strange beyond what was written. And I wrote that from a historian and the detective's point of view to basically all the stories that are in both the books, volume one and volume two.

the Ripper. What does give us your commentary that you provide for the articles that you present about Jack the Ripper.

So I lay that out. I lay out what happened in that area Whitechapel in New York and why a pardon me not New York in London, and why it was considered a lower class area where there're prostitutes, a lot of criminals and so forth. And then I get into the issue of people who are identifying various men said, I think this guy's Jack the Ripper, and that guy's Jack the Ripper. And the first guy they labeled was

called the leather Apron, who was the first killing. And that's because they found a leather apron at one scene and they said, well, gee, there must be this s guy and so they start calling the leather apron killer.

So that's background information for people that's very useful. And then I get into one of the articles too regarding the Chief of Detectives for Scotland Yard who headed up the investigation and what he had to say during his interview about Jack the Ripper, and ultimately he states, and I've been able to verify a lot of it since then, that they did in fact capture Jack the Ripper, and I talked about it in there, but they didn't have

enough to convict him in a criminal court. So under the power of the Crown, which was the power of the Queen, they decided okay, they went to their Secretary of State basically and said, this is the guy who's been doing it. He's insane, and so with a single stroke of a pen, he was put into a mental hospital for the criminally insane, and they called it the

Lunatic Asylum. And so this is where I get into and all the stories talk about this who Jack the Ripper was, the revelations about him made by the Chief of Detectives, and if quite Frankly, if anybody knew about Jack the Ripper, it's going to be the chief of detectives who handled it at the time, and so his interview was in there about the entire story.

broad More Lunatic Asylum as they call it. So we're going to dig a little bit deeper still and we'll probably i think within another few months once there archives opened up for people to go and we'll probably be able to identify who Jack the Ripper was.

Jack the haircutters once the word got out. But when a woman or a girl would be walking down the streets, he's got long hair, ponytails. These guys would run up to them, grab them and generally with the straight razor scissors, cut off their ponytails, keep the ponytails and the long hair and run away. And this was not uncommon. A lot of copycats going on. So that is Jack the Haircutter, and the stories are in there about him. Jack the

Kisser was just what it says. Once again, there were copycats in the same locations and they would ride their buggies or a horse that they're walking down the street and they'd see a girl or a woman they would grab her and then kiss her. And the one guy, the main guy, would generally end up with a poem he would tell him some poem and then they would take off, they would disappear. So that was very popular.

Jack the Hugger, as it states, these guys would see a woman and they would run up to her and hug her, and the woman would fight, try to get away. They keep hugging her. Then they would let her go and they would run away. And that was a very popular if you want to say, it was a crime in a sense. But sometimes I think a lot of these the articles were they were maybe joking, but there

were copycats. Jack the Cutter was a interesting character who did not like long dresses on women that were dragging on the ground. So those are primarily in Washington, d c. That this occurred. But he would see some moment with a long skirt and if it was dragging on the ground, he would jump out with a pair of scissors shears. He'd run up to them, he'd grab them and he would cut their dresses off another six or seven inches

so they would and drag on the ground. And so that was more of a sounds like more of a fetish in some bizarre way. So that was Jack the Cutter. So when I was doing the research, quite Frankly, I didn't know about any of these other Jacks, and I thought the stories are so interesting because they all occurred around the same period of time, and I just thought I had to include them because they were so unusual and so different. So that's how all the other Jacks ended up being in the book.

for blood. Tell us what do you have to say about Lizzie Halliday and why this story was so compelling.

never known. And so she was eventually convicted and imprisoned. And there was one woman who basically was like a warden they call them, and their guards who pretty much befriended her and was able to control her because she was just really wild. She would attack people for no reason,

or whatever her reason was, nobody really knew. And so when this woman finally told her that she was leaving the prison system, Lizzie got upset and just decided to go ahead and try to stab her to death in prison, and she just attacked her, and then Lizzie ended up after she was convicted of these other murders of Sarah Quinlan and Eloquent mcquinland. She was the first woman to be electrocuted in the United States to receive the death penalty.

So she was very very strange, very diabolical, and as some of the articles pointed out, they said that she was the worst woman on earth because they pretty much narrowed it down that she killed five people her husband's step son, two women friends, and then the nurse in the asylum where she was sentenced. So she was very very different, very bizarre. And as far as the story of very interesting story.

But he would do this, and they believed eventually, and all the other resorts said that he was probably an African American man, but there weren't quite sure. And so he went into This guy went into one room with whether he was a copycat or not. And there were two women in there, two white girls in the attack them in the same way, who'd either cut their throats, but generally an axe was used and he would go

for the head or go for the neck. A few times bodies were taken outside of the bedroom where the initial attack occurred. He would drag him off, maybe fifty sixty hundred yards and then he would just go at him with an axe or a knife and leave the body. But he was never caught. They had suspicions. One time they had a descript of a guy who did attack these two girls who were both white, but once again

they never caught him and he took off. But the Texas Servant Girl Annihilator was that's what they called name in the newspaper articles, and that's what he did. He just annihilated servant girls. And then there was question worried because all of a sudden, the murders stopped and they start happening in other locations, and they were very concerned that this is the Texas Servant Girl Annihilator and he's just relocated to another city, and it was reoccurring. Whether

that's true or not. Nobody knows at this time. It may have been the same person and may have been a copycat. They just don't know. But a very interesting story about a man who used an axe most cases and just would brutally, brutally murder people in their bedroom.

And so they were able to check for various poisons back then, their various corners around the world, and they kept coming of Arsenic was a very favorite poison to use them, and they would find it, and they eventually convicted her, and as you said, she was executed, but she just had a passion for using poison as opposed to a knife or a gun or anything else. But she was just a very very disturbed and very interesting woman.

prosecuted him for. He is only in his early twenties, but he was extremely cool and collected when he was talking to reporters. But the one thing he was really interested in is that there was no spinning in these stories, no spinning by the reporters, no embellishment, and no fake news. He just wanted the facts to come out about him what he did. And if you want to say his reasoning,

his reasoning for doing it. But he was just a very very disturbed into visual once again, and he would just matter of fact talk to the reporters, very slow, very cunning. And one of the people that he killed after he killed this family was a baby, and the baby continued to cry, and so he just got mad and he killed the baby. And they said, oh, basically, why did you kill the babies? Well, it wouldn't shut up,

kept crying, and so he did that. Then he basically dumped the bodies next to the house and cover them up and took off. But a very cold calculated character. And reading his interview from those reporters, it really gets into his mind how he worked. And obviously he was a serial killer at that stage. He murdered quite a few. And then you just step back and you say, hey, this is his logic, this is what he's saying. It is very bizarre because you're in these stories. It's actually

that you're listening to him. You're sitting there as the reporter listening to him talk about this and making his confession and so forth, and you walk away from going this guy was nuts and very deadly, and it just it's kind of frightening to a lot of people people like that today.

about the perception by the public. But it didn't make sense his request that they'd be accurate, especially given the again the brutality of these murders, you know, a baby and with than iron in the face and crushing skulls.

he's going to be executed. So why is he so concerned about this at this stage and insistent that hey, you print the facts, you know, not the nonsense, just the facts, and so once again it takes you into the mind of a killer and how they thought about their situation at the time. And some of these people are like this guy. You wouldn't want to meet him on a dark night anywhere. You know. He's just like

the Texas Servant Girl, Nihilator and so forth. Very scary people, very brutal, and very dangerous.

dark places. He would ambush them. Obviously they wouldn't see him coming, and all of them were killed there on the scene. A lot of times he would what they're expecting that he would use an axe, hand acts or hard object and hit them in the head, probably kill them outright, if not, certainly cause issues, and then he would just go ahead and cut the throat or let him bleed out, or behead them. And the murders generally always occurred on Saturday night and the bodies were discovered

on Sunday mornings. So in Atlanta at the time, there were loads of men who were arrested on suspicion and they were all were let go. And the killer remains unknown to this day. Whether it was one person working alone or two or what. Nobody knows. But he's just another I'm saying he assuming was. He's just another serial killer that just vanished and nobody was ever proven to

be that person. They have it up to at least eighteen girls females were killed by him, but they don't know if that's a complete number or truly how accurate is because a lot of them they just found the bodies and they said, well, we think it's him, but we really can't be sure, but it sent a panic through that entire community, especially for women who were working into the evening, whether they were servants in a home or at a factory or whatever, and when they were

going home, especially African American women, they were the targets, and so they were terrified at night. And it went on for a while until finally he just kind of vanished.

Some of the organs of these people were missing so he took time to not only kill them, but to dismember them. And by taking the various body parts, you're assuming that he's taking a trophy, because I know a few of the murders I dealt with as a detective that they would take sometimes clothing, sometimes part of the body as a souvenir as a reminder of this murder

they committed. And so what was really sad about that there was a guy this thing in a hotel, Middle Eastern fellow was not fluent in English, and he was basically down the hall from this one woman that was found mutilated, and his name was Frenchy, And for some reason the detectives, probably because of pressure there getting arrested him and he was charged and so forth. But as it turned out, and all the information's in here and how it happened went down, he was not the murderer.

But they were just fine with having him go to prison and probably be executed. They were thinking in the beginning, and he was not the guy. And so what happened was there a number of reporters who were at the scene, and the detective claimed that there was a blood trail leading from that room. In his room and they were there right when the detective was and they said, wait a minute, there was no blood trail and other things

that he talked about. The detective it so finally they brought this up, and the governor pardoned this man after a number of years. And why the detective or detectives falsified the information and the evidence to convict this guy, You'll just never know. And you know, it's something that's horrible because this guy could have been easily executed, and even today things like that occur. But the New York Ripper, as this guy was known as, just vanished once again. Nobody knows who he was.

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didn't want to hurt anybody. With a romantic twist. Well, that's what most people believe, but these articles get into it. They weren't fun loving guys. They were roofless criminals, and they killed a lot of people. And they're always involved in criminal activity for a long time. They had from some of the articles they're talking about, how butch Cassidy for a better term ran if you want to say, a small army in the Rocky Mountains of about five hundred outlaws.

group of people to try to hunt them down. And so it gets into the whole story about how bad these fellows really were, and it goes from for better term, from their beginning to their end in Bolivia and basically what happened after they were being chased down here in the early nineteen hundreds and a lot of their if you want to say, their captains of their outlaw gang, were captured or killed and kind of went their own way.

They took off and went to first through Mexico and Central America, and they ended up Bolivia and then they started up robbing people again, robbing training, stage coaches or whatever it was, and they killed several people in Bolivia, and then they were running again as they're being chased down into Argentina in that area. But it ended up in Bolivia where they found them hiding out and they had a shootout with some troops military troops, and they

were killed at the time. But what is interesting is that even today a lot of people believe that they escaped and that they made it back to the US and continued just a quiet life. That is interesting. But the Bolivians, the people they soldiers. They killed two guys and they buried them down there, and everybody, all historians, I say, believe that that is absolutely true that they were buried, and the rest of it is just folklore. That they made it back to the States and they

lived quietly ever after. But this sets the record straight because these stories were written at the time, and it gets into what bad guys they truly were, them and their gang, and how long they terrorized a section of the country. So it will enlighten a lot of people.

killing off all the game that they survived on. And a hunting party was out one day and they rans people and they hunting party about five or six Sioux and they killed these people, these white people that were there. So that got everybody obviously very upset that the Sioux were doing this, and the Civil War was raging. It wasn't going well for Lincoln and the Union, and so Lincoln had to do something, and he was getting pressured heavily because this could be the start of another war

with the Indian nations. And then he was worried that, well, if they start fighting the Sioux, they've got to pull soldiers away from fighting the Confederates. And then he was concerned that the other Indian nations may join the Sioux. And quite frankly, at the time, the Plains Indians were the best horsemen around and probably the best soldiers around. And so he authorized to have the army going there and basically try to make a deal and bring these

people in. And they said, okay, they'll do that. So they went out. They kind of negotiated with this one chief and he brought in his warriors and they're arrested. They brought in basically about four to five hundred. The records aren't completely clear on that, but they brought him in, they surrendered, and then they decide, okay, we're going to put all these guys on trial, all these Sioux Indians.

So they have a military tribunal. Some of the trials of these fellows were about a minute long or thirty seconds. Said what's your name? They give the Indian name. They say, fine, you're guilty, You're going to die, and the next guy please. So they ran through this. They send a letter to Abraham Lincoln. This general does with all these Indian names. He wants to hang all of them, all of them and found guilty. He wants execute all of them. And it was over four hundred. Lincoln, look, I said, none

on a way. We can't just arbitrarily hang you know, four to five hundred Sioux Indians, because that will not go well in the country, especially within the Indian nation. So he narrows it down. He says, well, just give me the ones that raped white women. So that came down a very short list, just a couple. He says, well, that's not good. We've got to execute more to show that we're serious about this and to try to dissuade them from killing more whites. So he personally selected thirty

eight names Indian names to hang them. He issued the order. It goes up so they have a massive gallows built to hang all of them at one time. They bring in the soldiers, they surround the area. They start calling off the names of the Sioux to take their place under the hangman's news, and they call them off, and they walk up there and they start singing the death song and the death chant, and they hang them all. Boom,

they're done, thirty eight of them. Well, they find out later that two of them that they hung they hung by mistake. There were young kids, and it's just that when this soldier called them off the names, the kids said, well, that's me because he mispronounced it. So they walked up and they were hung by mistake. They're completely innocent. So they take the bodies, they bury them in the sand

down by the river. And then some other people going afterwards, some whites for souvenirs for body parts, and they take bodies to sell them to doctors and to for better medical schools so they could perform autopsies on these cadavers and just learn from them. So they do that. So all these people are killed as the largest mass execution in American history. Yet in eighteen sixty three, I think it was the Summit County Beacon. They basically had six

words about it. It's just on the date, thirty six Sioux Indians hung in Minnesota. That was it. And then in eighteen eighty one there was an article about one of the boards or the two by fours or four by fours that were used from the gallows to hanged Indians that it was being donated to the State University of Museum in Saint Paul, and that was a great artifact.

They're proud to have it. And then later on in eighteen ninety there's an article about a guy coming into town and he has a scalp from one of the Sioux that was hung back then. He got it from his brother in law, who is a soldier. So what's interesting is that it's the larger mass execution in US history, and yet the first article was all of about six words. That's it. And that just shows you how Native Americans

at the time were looked at. I mean, if they killed thirty six dogs or something, or cattle, it would have probably had the same response in the newspaper. So it just takes you back to a time and you can understand how Native Americans were looked at at the time, and we still had years down the road the Indian Wars. But you just look at and say, wow, it's only six words. When they hung all these people and two of them by mistake, two kids, and that's all a warranted in the media. Yes, incredible.

these articles were written at the time. They were written by reporters who spoke to some of the people that were around him over the years and really talking about how many people he killed and how many his gang ended up killing, and how ruthless he was, and then eventually he was killed. That's the way it's been reported

in these newspapers too. By Sheriff Pat Garrett. When Billy was hiding out at a ranch after he escaped killed to law enforced two deputies in town, and he escaped, went up to this ranch and they went out and at dark snuck upon the house and Garrett went into the room and that's when he saw the person he said, it was Billy the Kid walk in and that's when he shot him. So it gets into what really occurred at the time, not what contemporary stories say or television.

But it gives you a good look at well Pat Garrett, the sheriff at the time, and the history of Billy the Kid, when he started out and through his life, what he did, and how many people he did kill, and how ruthefless he was.

was Billy the kid. And just setting you know, history straight is that this was written at the time and these reporters were crawling there and talked to him, talk to the people that were out there when he was shot and so forth, and so there's no doubt that in my mind that Billy was killed.

He came back later when he was still young and while I'm saying, yeah, I'm timber six fifteen sixteen seventeen, and he joined Quantrell's Raiders, and they were a band affiliated with the Confederacy, and they would raid various cities, mainly belong in Kansas in that area, and he bragged that he killed, you know, at least thirty six to forty people in this one raid in Lawrence, Kansas when they went in there, and they basically killed all of the men and all the boys in that town, and

it was approaching about two hundred maybe a little bit more than that. And as a result of that, the Confederacy, for a better term, pulled their support from Quantrelle because they didn't want people just being slaughtered, just to be slaughtered, especially boys and so forth and innocent men, and so Jesse in that raid claimed he killed thirty six. Probably did maybe more, maybe a few less, but it's just

a matter of he was very, very vicious. And then he went on with his brother Frank James and so forth, and they formed their own gang and they started pulling robberies and so forth, of banks, of stage coaches and so forth, because that's what they knew from writing with Clontreille that that's what they would do, and finally he was.

He and this group were so sought after and terrorizing that area of the nation that the governor basically was hiring people to go out and find him for a better term, almost like private detectives and so forth, and other criminals, and to eliminate him. And so eventually that's exactly what happened. There were a couple of guys who were no better than Jesse came to the house as friends.

He knew him in the past, and when they were in the living room chatting, Jesse wanted to straighten a picture on the wall and dust it off, and he was shot from behind and by one of these friends of his, And so eventually they were both, if you want to say, and dieted put on trial. It was very rapid, it was over quickly. But there's no doubt in anybody's mind that the governor knew about this well

in advance. And these articles talk about this, how he knew these two guys and basically was talking about, yeah, go out and see if you can get him. But then they go into the body of Jesse, and when they're describing the body. The reporters or this particular porter had a fascination with him and talking about he had a magnificent physique and this is when he's laying laid out dead, and that he's you know, it's in this pride of health and strength, and he is a commanding

figure and all this sort of stuff. And so even then the legend of Jesse James was being built by some of the reporters that were there, the way they described everything and examining the body and so forth. So it's a very interesting story about the history of Jesse and Frank James and so forth, and it brings up a lot of areas that, excuse me, just are not covered in other books or stories, television and so forth.

that they had to kill him. There was no way they were going to take this guy prisoner, so they wanted to get close to him. And it was lucky that Jesse James needed some people for a bank robbery. He hadn't robbed a bank in a while and was low on funds, so they gained his trust that way. And it's fascinating to as you write that they had to wait till his back was turned and he had no access to weapons, so to make sure that they could kill this person and get that reward.

and these two guys took off. But they went basically to the sheriff after that and said, hey, we just killed Jesse James and that was pretty much the end of it. But in a sense they became heroes. The sum and villains to other because a lot of people who at the time they were intrigued by Jesse James as they were with a lot of other outlaws, and especially if they were supporters of the Confederacy, and they knew that they were with the Confederacy fighting with them.

So it's interesting. It brings both sides into play. It brings the true horrible outlaw that they were in killers, but then you also see the other side of how some people and especially the reporters viewed them. Yeah, they were criminals, but kind of romantic criminals in a sense. So it's it's very interesting the way the stories are written, because as I mentioned earlier, they don't hold anything back. They talk in detail about the wounds and what went

on and so forth. So it's just it takes people to a different level. Regarding the history of Jesse and Frank James.

cut down. But Jesse's mother and sister were imprisoned, and so that at fourteen, see as you write, it set him off on his murderous future, didn't it.

for a buggy ride. This other woman she knows they're going out, so she gets in a buggy. She goes after him, and she catches other shoots and kills both of them. So is jealousy at play what you see today. And there was one truly interesting story, but it was repeated many times in other stories, and that was it sounds crazy, but the deadly blue gum negro, which they said and what they believe was that if an African American had blue gums, his bite was as deadly as

a rattlesnake. And so I found numerous articles about this back then, and I put this one in how they want to rest the sky. He bit some people and they died afterwards. They said, see that proves that he's a blue gum Negroes are as deadly as rattlesnakes. And it was folklore that was leave for many, many years and as I put in there, here's the story, but then also put in there from the Cleveland Clinic about human bites, how how they can become badly infected, and

especially then the no antibiotics. You break the skin with no antibiotics, especially from a human bite, there's a chance that's going to become infected and then you're going to die from the infection. So that was one I found very interesting. There's another where typical con men they had them back then, where they pull in and they're well dressed.

They see this guy sitting on his sports basically a rancher, and they want to buy it, and they pulled out some gold bricks and said, here's what we're going to buy it with. So they cut the deal, they get some cash in advance, and the guy finds out these

bricks are not gold. He was scammed. And there's some really kind of interesting ones where there's a they found his body and they didn't know if it was a joke or murder, because it was was all pretty well mutilated, but they pretty much determined that it was cadaver from a medical school that some guys took out and chopped it up and shot it up and dumped it in

the river. But the most interesting one at the very end I closed the book with was a defense of a woman in Washington, d C. During the Civil War. And she was captured by the Union aiding and a bedding acting as a spy in an aid for the Confederacy. So each time they'd catch her, they would go and that was execution then, and so shortly afterwards the general in charge that was holding her would receive a notice

from Washington, d C. Release her. So this happened several times, and obviously was puzzling to this journal because everybody else would be hung or shot. Well. As it turned out, she was running a brothel and an abortion clinic and was in DC, and and so what she did she would She was servicing a lot of the politicians, high ranking polity maybe Secretary of State, ands of congressman, senators, and she was also performing the abortions on their girlfriends.

And so this is why she kept getting off as a Confederate spy. But then she actually shoots somebody, a guy she was blackmailing. She gets on a for better turn to trolley and she shoots at him. She misses, kills the guy next to him and wounds this other one. And she goes on trial and she's found not guilty

of this. And what is interesting is that the what got me onto is having been in court many times, you know, testifying, is that the defense attorney basically wanted her to be found insane because then she would go free. And so the question was asked, well, how insane, he said, well, just insane enough to get her off, you know, I mean it just that attorneys then that's what they do today, you know. So, yeah, but the backstory on her is truly fascinating. They wrote her entire backstory in.

absolutely it comes from him. It's his words and they're they're in their entirety, and it's just fascinating because it takes you inside of that guy's mind and he thought that well, he was very intelligent, but he probably thought that he could outwit everybody. But was he setting the record straight knowing he would die or did he actually leave this But if anything, it was his way of trying to pass judgment on himself that he was really

an innocent guy. So that's out. And I said it is for a better term his diary about killing people and so forth, and why he was truly innocent. So it gives another perspective, it goes inside of a serial killer's mind.